The big flaw with the “move on if you don’t like it argument”.

[@MCsCreations]

- The Acolyte is crap... - Then don't watch it! - Really? Great. - But if it boombs it's your fault! Someone, please, make the meme and send it to Naboo!

[@Thed538dhsk]

If it fails or bombs in viewership WHY WOULD YOU CARE IF YOU DON'T WATCH IT? You literally can't be blamed if you don't watch it. It's the duty of those watching it to boost the viewership. So if you don't like it just stop watching and watch something you think you might like instead. A hate watch is a view no matter if you hated watching it or enjoyed it. Helps Disney all the same

[@nathanielweber7843]

The point though, is that even if you don’t watch it the people writing this dumpster fire will still blame you for not supporting it blindly. If all the people downvoting it instead didn’t watch it at all, corporate would come out and say the toxic fan base didn’t support a woman led project and everyone is a bigot. If we criticize it and tell them to do better, they write it off as bigots not liking diversity and being hateful. The only way you as a fan can be a good fan is to say there is nothing wrong and blindly ignore the house that’s currently on fire.

[@MCsCreations]

@@nathanielweber7843 Bingo.

[@____________838]

What was it that Kylo Ren said…”Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.”

[@dr.medieval1131]

I've walked away, and I'm never going back. I'm a wealthier man for it.

[@crossfire34]

It's always "don't like, don't watch" until it fails because of it. Then it's racism, sexism, or what ever ist or phobia they deside to use.

[@steve93pa]

I like how it's not made for us yet it's our fault when it fails.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Who is "they" and no it's none of those things if you don't watch something.

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@steve93pahow is it YOUR fault?

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@Thed538dhsk side they will say crap like “this isn’t for you white men” then go “this failed cause of the racism/sexism of white men”

[@TB4585]

that cant use that rascim card on me since im mixed, they'll still say that im sexist lol they find any counter to grad on whether it makes sense or no

[@thomasduarte4311]

You can’t hold Disney accountable by simply criticizing it. They don’t care. You must withhold your financial support.

[@jackburton7959]

Disney doesn't even require our financial support. They are backed by an endless supply of money.

[@scottymacdewder5229]

Disney makes more money than most countries... our dollars mean nothing to them, social engineering is their real currency.

[@franciscorebola7711]

🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[@scottymacdewder5229]

Thnx for deleting my comment YT!

[@jamesneese7663]

True but we saw how that played out with everything from Ghostbusters 2016 to Bros to The Marvels: media and Hollywood blamed "haters" and "phobia" for the poor box office. Notice to this day NO ONE has taken responsibility for fails like Ghostbusters 2016, for Terminator Dark Fate, for The Marvels, for Furousia.....the same ppl told "this (project) is not for you" are the first ones blamed when they DON"T go to theater, don't watch the show, don't buy the comic....... they are INCAPABLE of taking responsibility for anything.....unless it's a hit..!

[@josephharrison5639]

Anyone who says “if you love something you’ll make excuses for it” that’s literally how people get trapped in toxic relationships, that’s how people fail to notice destructive behaviors in their family members. They’re literally trying to justify staying in a toxic relationship with Star Wars

[@sunkenobi1501]

Exactly. There's some hills ain't worth dying on.

[@adamroach3407]

I think you’ve hit on something here. The current audience score is a reflection of the toxic relationship coming to a head. The abuser (Lucasfilm) is gaslighting the abused (the audience) like always but now it’s failing because reality has snuck in. Asoka was disappointing and Kenobi was awful. Bobba Fett was at least dismissible as an attempt to appeal to children despite the fact that it was bad. The Acolyte manages to be awful, insulting and sloppy while also being not at all for children. They are welcome to making this a kids brand, once I thought that the worst case scenario. Today I’d welcome that. That’s not what’s happening though. This is flagrant embezzlement of company funds. If DEI was really important, they could have funded two dozen projects and employed thousands of people for the budget of just this show. They don’t care though. DEI is just an aegis to ward off the accusations of mediocrity and waste.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Who is "they"? It's also a toxic relationship to be with someone you hate and continue being with them despite you knowing they won't change. You deserve better, go find better.

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@adamroach3407is it fair to assign the fan base as victims tho? From a certain point of view, it seems both lucasfilm and the fans are toxic towards each other and have been since 1983 but especially since 1999. Both are co-dependent and toxic for each other

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@adamroach3407then don't watch the show if you dislike it?

[@Malt0d3xtr1n]

It is absolutely over-the-moon insane to me that there is a sizable chunk of people that think it's "toxic" to expect more from the productions made by the single largest entertainment company IN THE WORLD.

[@ian-flanagan]

@@MossSteiger1530I agree, but I also think a low _baseline_ is the key to happiness

[@dereklopez9060]

Funny how they lecture us about gatekeeping, yet they do the exact same thing when they tell us to either "Shut up" or "Don't like it? Don't watch it!" As their way of gatekeeping and silencing actual criticisms.

[@cptndunsel2670]

They are not against gatekeeping. They are against being gatekept. They will happily gatekeep when they are the ones behind the fortress walls.

[@darktower0603]

I'm not watching it yet they still call me a bigot

[@Thed538dhsk]

But it doesn't have to be gatekeeping or silencing criticism. It's just reality. A hate watch to Disney = a view. They don't care if you like what you're watching. They care about $ from subs, running adds, and eyeballs playing the show. That's it. The hate it gets is just free marketing for Disney. Why keep giving Disney sub $ or risk the high seas for a show you dislike instead of using that $ and view a show you might like?

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@cptndunsel2670who is "they"?

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@darktower0603who is calling you a bigot?

[@DizzyPanda25]

If you criticize the show without watching it they’ll say “well you haven’t even watched it how would you know” If you watch the show and criticize it negatively they say “if you don’t like it why are you watching it?”

[@John_Locke_108]

And that's why I'm still watching it. I can't be critical of Star Wars if I don't watch. And because it's Star Wars I want to watch it. And I would like to enjoy but Lucas set the standard. If something isn't up to that standard I'm going to be disappointed. And I'm gonna be critical and perhaps angry. Especially if it's objectively bad like the Ewok movies or The Acolyte.

[@Pahoe77]

You don't need to stick your finger in a pile of vomit, to know - 1) you're not going to like it. 2) it's something vile

[@Thed538dhsk]

No. If you criticize the show without watching SOME of it FIRST then people can and will say "well you haven't even watched it how would you know". If you watch the premiere aka first 2 EPS and didn't like it people will understand that you have it a try and it just isn't your cup of tea. Also why watch something you despise to please random people?

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@John_Locke_108Lucas allowed the ewok films. Isn't the Acolyte and the prequels the same shit? Only difference is the acolyte has lesbians?

[@Cheesehead_Caleb]

I'm currently dealing with the former of those two arguments a lot :[. News flash: in-depth plot summaries exist on the internet.

[@richardsylvester4518]

Anyone who uses that argument automatically loses. They have no debating skills and it's just a deflection tactic because they have no other arguement. Shame on those who use it.

[@ykwtfgo]

Agreed

[@mandolorian9893]

I'll debate you right now, no deflections.

[@Blackened30]

Its not really an argument per se, its just someone saying if you hate this so much why are you bothering with it. You don't need to subject themselves to something that makes you unhappy, angry, or flock to the forums to complain. Being critical is fine, but I think you'd agree that most internet "criticism" isn't actually criticism, but cheap jokes and one liners. I like criticism when its smart. I don't like it when its point scoring or regurgitating a talking point someone saw on a video.

[@mandolorian9893]

@@donaldjskywalker I'm interested in debating. So go ahead and make your argument.

[@Blackened30]

@@mandolorian9893 What is there to debate, out of curiosity? Whether you like something or don't is entirely subjective.

[@Thee_Sinner]

“I don’t like [insert political thing] where I live.” “JuSt MoVe” Same argument. Still annoying. I _want_ to live here. I _want_ to enjoy Star Wars.

[@Thed538dhsk]

That's not the same argument. Moving from where you live is much harder and inconvenient than watching anything other than the Acolyte. If you are watching it on Disney + and despise it, just watch literally anything else on Disney +. If you risk the high seas watching anything else. Why spend 30-60 minutes each week watching something you dislike and KNOW you'll most likely dislike? Why not spend that time watching literally anything else that you might like more?

[@olgil]

​@@Thed538dhsk It's because deep down they want to hate it. Hating on Star Wars and anything "woke" is its own industry now, and some people spend more time engaging with Acolyte related content than things they supposedly like. Do you think these are media literate people who actually understand what George Lucas was intending with Star Wars? Not from a lore perspective, from a symbolic archetypal perspective. Not at all. Do you think they understand what the word "woke" originally means? No. They're literally the bad energy that the "dark side" was referring to. Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering etc. They're sad, sad people that are crying because the fantasy franchise made for children is now catering to a new generation of children. Cry more, man-children. Your childhood is over. For the record, I don't even like this show but I'm not the target audience because I'm not a child.

[@draynah14]

@@olgil lol you think the Acolyte was made for children? No way I'd ever let any person below 16 watch this stuff.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@olgil don't you think you are just like the people you describe spreading hate towards them?

[@fauxbro1983]

Well this is america

[@jacksparrow9227]

Disney: "Stop thinking and just consume new product, Thor"

[@Thed538dhsk]

Keep hitting home runs Disney

[@steve93pa]

​@@Thed538dhsk if disney isn't paying you for all this effort, it's worthless. I'd tell you to get a life but it looks like if you did, you'd just surrender it to disney again.

[@ian-flanagan]

@@Thed538dhskIs the baseball field in your metaphor continually shrinking? (Each show gets fewer viewers)

[@UmieeYasha]

​@@Thed538dhskThey have been. They are hitting home runs wasting millions of dollars, you can keep hitting home runs and lose the gamen Disney is the perfect example of that. Thanks for summing that up for me😂😂

[@miragewizard]

Occupational Safety and Health Administration went through the tunnel to avoid the fire in Episode 3 of The Acolyte and ... entered the Lair of Shelob, who immediately found her next meal, being descended from Ungoliant herself.

[@jimeley2580]

A fellow little platoon fan 😅

[@miragewizard]

@@jimeley2580 Oh yeah! The Little Platoon is the BOMB

[@20th_century_Ghost]

I don't think Disney cares about fan criticism anymore.

[@roangrahm1529]

Disney the company might not but the shareholders who are constantly loosing money eventually will care once they loose enough.

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@roangrahm1529why would the shareholders care when A) Lucas is the largest shareholder of Disney stock And B) shareholders voted to keep Iger and his direction for the company on its same path. Shareholders we're given a choice and made it, KEEP Iger and his path forward including Lucas

[@taffysaur]

@@Thed538dhsk Disney spent at least $70 million propagandising the smaller shareholders into not voting for Trian in the proxy battle. If they aren’t knee-deep in alternative media like we are, and naïvely believe that whatever Disney talks the public is true,nor something like the truth, there’s no way for them to know how badly Iger is screwing up. And no, Lucas isn’t the largest shareholder. The companies who make up the largest portion of the stock owners are stakeholder capitalists like Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street, etc, who are the ones pushing and funding the agenda which is slowly eroding Walt’s (and George’s) great legacy.

[@itsmandez]

Anymore?

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@RockBrentwood wdym, What didn't stop CBS from crashing? Paramount stock has something to do with fans disliking the Acolyte? Why would Lucas sell his stock when it's made him a billion richer w/in 10 years for literally just holding on to it? He has had to do nothing EXCEPT NOT sell his stock and he's made a billion in profit. Why do you want to cause Disney stock and paramount stock to go down?

[@Nartanek]

The problem with modern star wars is it is made to piss off old fans, but they have no new audience to replace them with. They go out of their way to antagonize those that liked it in the past to attract a 'modern audience' which does not even exist in the first place.

[@seancrowley3142]

💯

[@kennethadams8021]

Yep and it's still a win for them if they kill Star Wars. They hate the series as it was because they hate the culture that loved it. So, they get new fans to love their dreck or they kill part of the culture they hated. Win Win.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Wdym?

[@kennethadams8021]

@@Thed538dhsk It's in English. I can't translate to stuuuuuupid.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@kennethadams8021 why not?

[@blackdragon5274]

Hey Thor, sorry this is a long one, but somthing I've noticed is, the weird thing about the "it's star wars, I always like star wars" crowd is that if you use the older star wars media as a reference to why you don't like the new star wars media, they tell you they don't like the old stuff, "the OT is overrated" "the eu was stupid" "the prequels were terrible" It's not so much they're obsessed with liking star wars, they're obsessed with liking what star wars is currently. I saw this in the Halo community, when halo 4 and 5 totally changed up the formula, some fans like myself didn't appreciate that, but, some fans loved it, and defended it to the death, saying they should never go back to the old art style or gameplay, but when halo infinite went back to the old art style, and halfway back to the old gameplay, they praised it, and said it was the best thing ever. Even though they fought tooth and nail against what fans like myself wanted, they seemed to not actually care all that much once an actual change did occur, because it's Halo, and they always like halo. It'd be easier if the people with no standards, who will like it no matter what would just stop talking, and let the people who want something better for the franchise effect positive change. Do you think if star wars reverted back to a higher standard of quality, they'd suddenly switch sides and say this was a good change, even though they were just fighting against it? And do you think they actually like the current state of things, or are they just putting on a show to look like a good person/fan?

[@admiralseabass8993]

well, if they truly are consistently positive, they will say it's a good thing because "it's Star Wars." However, I don't think a lot of the "positive people" are actually consistent. They like "current Star Wars" and they use positivity as a shield against those of us who don't.

[@Thed538dhsk]

How can star wars go back to higher quality tho when Lucas himself ended the story?

[@Thed538dhsk]

Maybe they genuinely like the show? Why do star wars fans repeatedly bash each other? Okay you didn't like return of the Jedi vs new hope and empire, some fans do. Let them like what they like and you like what you like. Same with OT vs prequel fans. OT and prequel vs EU fans. Prequel fans vs sequel fans. Etc

[@notfromhere8889]

It's really more about the OT being presented as perfect cinema when it hasn't. There are flaws, plotholes, character inconsistencies and general nonsense. But it's still very fun and if people are having fun now there should be no problem. They're gonna fight back against the critics (some of whom clearly are bigots or influenced by bigoted takes).

[@neodigremo]

There are plenty of people who probably do like the show. Genuinely. And even some who could articulate why they like it. Fair play to them, but 2 points. First they seem outnumbered by those of us who don't. Second, people are not morally obligated to like something. I mean for myself, I love the LoTR films. To me they are near perfect. I had a friend who genuinely disliked them because of the changes to the story. We just disagreed. I was not wrong to like the things I did. He was not wrong to dislike what he didn't. For me Man of Steel is the best superhero film of all time. Other people dislike it. And often the exact thing I do like about it is why they dislike it. The exact thing. That is what different tastes are all about. The frustration for older fans like me is that they have radically and consciously chosen to change something I did like to their tastes. Like when they took Star Trek and made it dark and cynical. I liked Star Trek because it wasn't those things. You may like dark cynical Sci Fi but I do not. And I will resent it a little if you alter the sci fi I like into something I don't, when you could have simply made your own thing that was how you liked it. If you make a thing to your tastes I will be happy for you. But don't take a sip of my soup, decide it is not salty enough and so dump a pile of salt into it when you could have simply ordered your own.

[@brandenmanuel2037]

We can’t move on if Literally EVERY Franchise is being ruined by Disney

[@SRMoore1178]

We can move on and laugh as Disney burns itself to the ground. I believe these IPs that Disney ruined will be in better hands soon.

[@Thed538dhsk]

1. You can, it's called liking stuff other than only Disney projects like reading books, cooking, touching grass, etc. aka other hobbies 2. Disney doesn't own EVERY franchise nor are they responsible for ALL of the changes people dislike. Dr who for example is not owned by Disney. Disney just has the exclusive streaming rights for the newer season airing. If you don't like Dr who right now, it's because of the British company/government that you don't like it. It's not Disney's fault. Lord of the rings isn't Disney owned. The boys, DC, game of thrones/house of the dragon, etc. aren't owned by Disney.

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@SRMoore1178wdym, who can afford to buy them?

[@Pandemia616]

​@@Thed538dhsk Elon Musk. Amazon. Sony. It can always get worse 😂

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@Pandemia616 Sony? Owners of ghost busters franchise and MADAME WEB you expect to buy star wars from Disney??? Are Elon musk or Amazon in talks to buy star wars?

[@JimTempleman]

If it looks like a Sith, flys like a Sith, uses a red light saber like a Sith, and dark-side powers like a Sith, then it probably is a Sith.

[@Gnigghunter]

They fly now?! 😱

[@aspiringnormie9499]

No it's just their culture! 😅

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

"It may look like a Sith, but for lore reasons, it is not." "Still, we should fight them as if they are a Sith." "But it isn't."

[@JohanMsWorld]

So by that reasoning Taron Malicos from Jedi Fallen Order is a Sith rather than a fallen Jedi? And so are all the Inqusitors?

[@holgeradler707]

​@@JohanMsWorld1. Yes. 2. The Sith lied to themself in order to follow sith code. They twist everything around to get what they want

[@BoomBoomBoom..]

Any business that doesn't please or keep paying customers, it FAILS

[@Thed538dhsk]

So if it isn't pleasing you don't watch it

[@BoomBoomBoom..]

@@Thed538dhsk Never seen a second of it.. and it will fail since I'm one of thousands..

[@yurikendal4868]

​@@Thed538dhsk but we can still criticize it

[@aolive11]

Hey Thor, the only “merit” I’ll give to the don’t watch argument is I think it’s time for us to stop watching because no matter how much criticism we give or if we hate watch these shows, Disney will still get money. Yes, they 100% deserve criticism but it’s clear they don’t care. I think the only way Star Wars can ever heal is if we stop giving them our money for projects we don’t support

[@EvanBerry.]

The actor who plays Osha posted on Instagram that the older fans need to accept that they've "aged out" of Star Wars. That's an exact illustration of what you're talking about. I'm saddened that some people dismiss all criticism as being race- or gender-related, even when it's not. That sort of dismissal, to me, telegraphs very clearly that the main motivation in the writing is race- or gender-related. I can't believe that this is where we are now. It's almost as if people have, in attempting to open their hearts, completely shut off their brains. Yes, there are many bigots and jerks out there, and some of them are Star Wars fans, but it isn't fair to stereotype all Star Wars fans as such. Doing so belies the very open-mindedness and so-called "wokeness" that they pride themselves on.

[@Pahoe77]

Oh, the paying customers. Ones who liked the original SW's so much, they saw it a multitude of times. Bought the merchandise. Those fans?

[@captainmartin1219]

Cool I accept that I have aged out and will spend my money some place else. Hope their new fanbase supports them when the new films drop.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@captainmartin1219the funny thing is they aren’t

[@wingedyaga2914]

Older fans pass down their love for something. Something Disney of all companies should understand. "Modern fans" pingpong through fandoms and will abandon it before the credits roll.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Source? When did that actor post that?

[@cjlafleur7585]

Gatekeeping was always a good thing. Gatekeeping is how we stopped people like this from infiltrating, subverting, and destroying our community.

[@niklbauglir]

The trees in the forest welcomed the axe.. because it's handle was made of wood.

[@brandenmanuel2037]

I don’t just want to just move on, I want it to be good because I care that much. Right now it’s being made by people who DON’T CARE! (Not about Star Wars or even BASIC LOGIC and continuity/consistency)

[@sunkenobi1501]

Then why bother caring about the franchise if the people in charge of it (and George Lucas) doesn't?

[@thomashobbes8786]

@@sunkenobi1501because it is human to care.

[@brandenmanuel2037]

@@sunkenobi1501 Because it used to be my favorite franchise. If I didn’t care, then there would be no real reason for me or anyone to be a fan in the first place. It would be as if I just wasted time and money for no reason (and a lot of it). If I was going to waste time and turn my brain off, I would watch minions (or something that’s actually meant to be dumb and mindless) If Star Wars was good before, why can’t it be good again?

[@Thed538dhsk]

When was star wars made by people who cared? What do you consider "caring"?

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@thomashobbes8786so you feel there is a "new hope"?

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

Being positive about everything isn’t being a good fan it is being a good sucker.

[@sunkenobi1501]

Being cynical doesn't mean being wise.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Being negative about everything isn't being a good fan it is being a bad sucker right?

[@draynah14]

@@Thed538dhsk dude don't you have anything better to do. You're under every single comment. Here, let me apply your own logic on you: If you don't like what Thor or his viewers have to say, SIMPLY DONT READ / WATCH IT.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@draynah14 thank you for understanding my pov but I think misunderstand. I don't dislike what you or Thor Skywalker or his audience has said so far. I disagree but I don't dislike. You can say apples are your favorite fruit. I disagree. They aren't MY favorite. But I don't dislike apples, they just aren't my subjective favorite so I disagree with you if you said apples are the best tasting fruit. I'm also not under every comment

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

@@Thed538dhsk I (like Thor) am balanced in what I think I love Andor Bad Batch Clone Wars and the games besides most of EA's Battlefront 2's campaign and dislike just as much. But the answer to your question is no a bad sucker means you are a critical person who is willing to think for themselves since they will not fall for anything anyone who hates everything is also a good sucker because like the ones who love everything they practically worship those who hate and will hate for hates sake. A good fan is a bad sucker or more accurately put is they are hard on the franchise when they mess up and are good to it when it does well to help enforce good behavior because both ways lead to the eventual abuse of power and eventually leads to great evils being committed. If someone always say yes this is great or no this is awful and anyone else who disagrees with me is evil no matter what are the worst types of suckers because their beliefs always end in tragedy either great or small. If they accept anything then the people in charge will become lazier and lazier and someone with bad intent will eventually come to take full advantage. If people keep going down this line in the most extreme cases people who either love or hate everything from a group and hating anyone who is against it you would be willing to either commit or overlook atrocities being committed on the other group because they have labeled them as "evil" or "wrong" when it is them who have become evil and wrong by standing by or against a group no matter what. In simple terms if you are not critical and willing to question people or companies or leaders you will eventually get to a point like the people of the Republic did allowing a true evil to take over which is the lesson of the prequels. While it may be small in terms of Star Wars and other big franchises it just helps reenforce the way of thinking that cause some of the greatest atrocities in history

[@aliastheabnormal]

Honestly moving on wouldn't be a bad idea. The only way that Disney will change course is when the franchise becomes financially unfeasible. If you want to complain do it with your wallet. Instead of hate watching like if it was Velma.

[@zhadowsun]

Brilliant video, I really feel you explain both the "just leave" and lore break issues super well.

[@Vertical_Horizons]

It's one if the weakest and thinnest Strawman arguments that the easily entertained Shills use because they cant accept and cope that Star Wars has been bastardized beyond recognition and can't handle the fact that The Acoshyte is just blatantly terrible

[@sunkenobi1501]

But they do have a point. Better to just leave the sinking ship and never look back than to die pointlessly on it.

[@thomashobbes8786]

@@Thed538dhsk en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@thomashobbes8786 Thank you. Straw man: a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted

[@renatonovis]

my brother, who's someone not at all involved with the culture war stuff and liked Asohka, hated this show, he dropped it after the 4th episode, that to me is a canary in the mine situation. Star Wars lost it's way, and they either course correct drastically or they'll keep listening to the sycophants around them and lose the regular fans.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Seems like your brother was wise to give the show a chance and then drop it once it didn't hook him in.

[@discobroccoli198]

Me and my brother are enjoying the show. So fascinating how people can have totally opposite reactions to the same thing.

[@JO-qn8gy]

I enjoy watching the Acolyte more than Ahsoka but hated Andor.

[@YegRon]

When they tell me it’s not for me I listen to them and I cancel my D+ subscription.

[@GabrielSoares-zw9kh]

The big flaw with the “move on if you don’t like it argument” --> Bussiness need to make money. For that they need clients. For that they can't send them away. lol

[@Thed538dhsk]

But if you dislike the food you are served despite trying to be fair and tasting it, why keep eating it? Why keep going to that same restaurant despite multiple times of poor service and bad quality food despite you trying multiple different items and them tasting bad to you? When do you learn to at some point go to a different restaurant?

[@GabrielSoares-zw9kh]

​@@Thed538dhsk Huh, I don't really have Disney+, I just like watching Thor's videos. And I'm certainly not going to play any of the DEI infested video games coming out. At some point I'm just here because I like to watch the fires.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@GabrielSoares-zw9kh what do you get out of "watching the fires"?

[@aspiringnormie9499]

​@@Thed538dhsk entertainment.

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

@@Thed538dhsk The same thing we all used to get out of Star Wars, before Disney pulled a Disney.

[@dskit7339]

The answer to every question that starts with "Why would they..." is: "they don't care".

[@Thed538dhsk]

Who is "they"?

[@pufffincrazy5275]

@@Thed538dhskwhy under every comment do you ask this same question? No one wants to deal with your BS

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@pufffincrazy5275 why are you replying to my comment if you don't want to deal with my "bs"?

[@sanle7515]

seems they DO care to the extent that the principal creators will address the 'hateful' fans (though not by name) in their statements. They can't leave em be and you know, 'move on'...

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@sanle7515 because "hateful" fans don't "leave em be and you know move on" themselves. Also if anyone working for lucasfilm names these fans it only gives those fans name recognition and doesn't help lucasfilm at all

[@g.williams2047]

The problem with moving on is these activists just follow us to the next thing.

[@Gnigghunter]

Dr Who - Ruined by the same people. Star Trek - Ruined by the same people. LOTR - ruined by the same people. Marvel - ruined by the same people. Halo - ruined by the same people. Cod - being ruined by the same people. Tomb Raider - being ruined by the same people. Assassin's Creed- being ruined by the same people. This list is by no means comprehensive either. No, I think it's time to start gatekeeping. We don't want your sh#_, and we were here first, fans of the original material not this political propaganda. You leave.

[@doubleupload5620]

If the vast majority of people don’t like what’s going on in their country should they run away or stay and try to fix it

[@patriciaa65]

💯

[@Thed538dhsk]

Star wars is your country?

[@kaygee2121]

This is just entertainment. We aren't going to literal war here..

[@Halfort57]

​@@Thed538dhsk yes

[@michelle7185]

World War III begins…. Meanwhile, people are online talking about Disney. 🤪

[@bigdoubleu117]

There's so much focus on Ki Adi Mundi that everyone seems to forget that Mace confirms what Mundi said literally right after. "I do not beleive they could have returned without our knowledge." -Because this IS there first big move against the Jedi.

[@roadhouse2476]

The most common "toxic" comments I see are actually from people who like these shows insulting people who don't like them while the ones who dislike them focus their criticisms at the actual show

[@jaredthorne6881]

The last decade or so has proven that all fandoms should have had more gatekeeping

[@sanle7515]

how would that work @jaredthorne6881 ?

[@thebendu33]

I really feel like Disney just wants to push aside the hardcore fans and replace them with new fans. And frankly, it almost hurts. I slightly exaggerating, but you get the picture.

[@adamroach3407]

Too bad they can’t get new fans to buy in. They are stuck with us ol codgers.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Wdym?

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@adamroach3407why would you want to be stuck with Disney if you dislike everything they give you AND you feel they do it on purpose to get rid of you?

[@thomashobbes8786]

I don’t think Disney wants to push out the old fans. Disney just gave the keys to folks who do. Those folks will eventually fail. Though I am surprised they haven’t already.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@thomashobbes8786 but if those people fail, what do you get out of it?

[@daviddavis3939]

I have so much I could say about this kind of thing. The main points are 1) gatekeeping serves a purpose. 2) Being positive about whatever slop is put in front of you isn't a virtue. 3) Making something for anyone and making something for everyone has a subtle but very important distinction.

[@Thed538dhsk]

1) what's the purpose of gatekeeping? 2) being negative about whatever slop is put in front of you also isn't a virtue. 3) what's the distinction?

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

True. And the fact that they attach all their values (that they think are morals) to these sh^t shows is silly. It's one thing to try presenting an idea through media, it's another to pretend that hating the pretentiousness of the product is a hating morals. Why do artists have to be so stupid? They are *obsessed* with their opinions. And project their dogma and limited understanding of reality onto their/others' work. Star Wars was never meant to be therapy for these people.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@Thed538dhsk 1) to keep the fandom like it is. For example say you have someone who wants to be a Star Wars fan…. But doesn’t feel they will like it until it looks more like sex in the city. In order to make Star Wars they will like you have to fundamentally change it. People are happy with other people liking their fanbase, but not when you want to come in and change everything. 2) and being positive isn’t either. Just consuming product makes it so they will never try hard and just keep pumping out garbage. 3)the first, is you make something anyone is free to like. For example, no one for the OT went Star Wars isn’t for x. So anyone is free to join the fandom if they like Star Wars. The second, you try to pander to certain groups and ideals to try and gather as much popularity as possible. For example, making a gay character and parading then around instead of treating them like a character.

[@Dick_Dastardly4_7]

@@edwardrichtofen8530 it seems like such an obvious cash grab for companies, especially Disney, to parade LGBTQ+ characters instead of actually changing things within their power and treating them like people instead of pieces in their game of Monopoly. For these corporations, all that matters is the bottom line. It’s no longer about entertainment, it’s about who’s the next demographic to profit off of.

[@MrAweeze]

​​Who the fuck thinks "you know what, I'm really interested in SW, but it just isnt enough like Sex and the City!​" 😂@@edwardrichtofen8530

[@Jimgizmo7]

Hey Thor, love your content and your attitude during this hard time! Right now it’s hard to be a starwars fan… hard to be critical and be sad of the current conflict in the fan base and coming out of Lucasfilm

[@Thed538dhsk]

How come it's a hard time to be a star wars fan now?

[@Jimgizmo7]

@@Thed538dhsk It’s difficult because the fan base feels more divided than ever. Many Star Wars fans feel wrongly labeled simply because they don’t agree with Lucasfilm's current ideological direction. Personally, I dislike the notion that I might be seen as a bad person for not embracing this new ideology. It seems like a matter of perspective, but it’s unfortunate that "The Acolyte" has become a dividing line between two worldviews.

[@jacksparrow9227]

"Fans" who love everything: "I have the moral high ground Thor Skywalker: "Don't try it Anakin"

[@Glock_Lesn4r]

I cancelled my Disney+ today. They raised the price again, and want to add commercials.

[@johnbox271]

“move on if you don’t like it argument” I did after The Force Awakens.

[@terryrocks2j]

Same here. Dead cat bounce with a few liked shows and Rogue one, but it really died for the most part after TFA.

[@shawnsd]

But you're still here complaining, ok

[@skepticalsmurf]

l officially gave up after The Rise of Skywalker(they killed off or diminished beloved characters)but during a recent house/pet sitting,l started watching Andor for the first time and I’m really enjoying it,SW content doesn’t always have to involve the Jedi or Sith 😅

[@johnbox271]

@@shawnsd Complaining? Am I?

[@shawnsd]

@@johnbox271 Yeah I mean ur still watching/talking about something u claim to have given up in, let's see 2015. But 9 years later ur still here, still invested.

[@ParanormalMetalMan]

At this point this is beyond folks who defend anything with the star wars logo on it.. this is about a general lack of critical thought or decernment around good or bad story telling, writing or acting at large in our modern entertainment landscape. I can forgive 'so so' special effects or low budget production as long as there's good writing and acting, that can make up for everything in many cases.

[@Zayphar]

"paint the Jedi in a worse light" ... that is the whole point. That is the INTENT of Hedland's version of SW.

[@MMZERO9]

To quote a certain Captain, “Some people move on, But not us.”

[@Bravehorizon1]

Love your takes and comments Thor. I'm curious, have you and Star Wars Theory ever hung out? I'd love to see a Thor / Theory talk. You both are my favorite SW crusaders.

[@prussianhill]

My theory is that Ki-Adi-Mundi is a closet Sith.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Like broy, that is Kennedyfilm's dumb writing and decision.

[@DainRiffgin89]

Along with the "If you don't like it, don't watch it, just leave" crowd, I'm similarly frustrated at the "No one hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans" mantra. So many times I have seen "Star Wars fans are impossible to please! They complain about everything! They hated the Prequels, Hated TFA for being too much like the OT, hated TLJ for being too different and not enough fan service, and then hated TRoS for having too much! They are never happy!" I look at this and I simply say, "Then you people aren't actually Star Wars fans", because if they were, they would've known that, in spite of the PT's shortcomings, Star Wars was thriving during the 90s and 2000s. There were books, video games, the Special Editions, Celebrations and more, and we ate it up! And the fan films were a big part of that as well. The Prequels had issues, but the worlds that Lucas brought us excited us and we loved exploring them. Playing through Battlefront 1&2 was fun no matter what faction you played as, whether it was Empire or Rebels, or Republic or CIS. And Republic Commandos was an awesome game (especially with Temuera Morrison voicing "Boss"), set completely in the Clone Wars. Overall, the fan sentiment was positive during that time, it was a Golden Age for Star Wars fans. Before the Dark Times... Before Disney... Now, while there have been some things that I have liked (TCW Siege of Mandalore and the Jedi games), the majority has been middling to outright bad. And yet that automatically means I'm impossible to please?! If Star Wars really has never been bigger, why is it that there has barely been any other media about the ST aside from Resistance? Where are all the games, shows, anything? General fan sentiment is outright hostile, with many Disney defenders libeling fellow fans for voicing criticism. I have been a fan my whole life, I know what good Star Wars is: this is not good Star Wars, and I won't accept that it is. And just so you know, there have been Star Wars projects that I did not like in the past (The Crystal Star, the unceremonious death of Crix Madine in Darksaber, the poorly balanced Revenge of the Sith game). But those saying leave have gotten their wish: I'll be watching from the sidelines, but I won't give Lucasfilm any more of my money unless I know it is good Star Wars. Because if I am toxic for having standards, then enjoy your garbage. You aren't fans: you're pigs who will eat anything dumped in your troughs with word "Star Wars" printed on it.

[@Daniel_Huffman]

You can tell how little these sorts of people understand where these criticisms are coming from when their vocabulary is so formulaic. The word "hate" has lost all meaning to me for how often it is used instead of its synonyms, to the point where I have abandoned using the word unless absolutely necessary. Also, calling them pigs is a disservice to pigs, which are incredibly intelligent animals, while these individuals, while not stupid in an overall sense, lack an understanding of where these criticisms are coming from. Heck, I only became a fan two years before the continuity reboot, so much of my knowledge of what the pre-2014 EU was like comes from people who lived through that era.

[@jwade4684]

He-man; i have the power!!! Witches; of one! He-man; i have the power!!! Witches; of two! He-man; i have the power!!! Bishop from men in tights; ahhhhhh mayonnaaaaaaaaaaise!!!

[@mateodiaz5757]

The argument of not watching it is not to just abandon de franchise. Is to stop generating money and free advertising to them. Discussion, even if it is to complain, still generates awareness and will drive people to see what the fuss is all about. That in turns become profitable for the company. Remember that there is no such thing as bad advertising

[@debelmeis2311]

The irony and hypocrisy of the acolyte simps is incredible

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I remember when my class went to the Tribeca Film Festival last year, I sat in on a lecture with Lin Manuel Miranda. And he actually discussed this very same issue. He talked about how it’s so much easier to shut your brain up, not edit yourself and be nice than it is to actually engage with criticism about a piece of work. And that if he could offer the aspiring writers and otherwise in the audience one piece of advice, it would be to engage the part of your brain that provides criticism. What is it you don’t like about it? Engage with that. Discuss with yourself how you can make it better and that is how you grow as a writer and as a creative. Criticism is important to art just as much as its fans.

[@RavonHarris-zc3km]

Qui Gon assuming Maul is a sith is likely due to holocrons or Jedi records showing how sith looked like and acted. An order as old as the Jedi should have such information at least considering the many conflicts they had with them. And considering Qui Gon' perspective, he encountered a warrior who's really strong in the dark side and carries a red lightsaber and that's capable of talking on two Jedi at once effortlessly. I mean what else would you think?

[@emberfist8347]

Well Maul was fighting him one-on-one at Tatooine he didn’t realize he could fight two Jedi at once until after he concluded it was a Sith.

[@Subject_Keter]

I like how these things are so bad, they are making good fanfiction seem a gift from beyond in comparsion. 😂😂

[@YegRon]

As always, great video, Thor. As an aside, both in these comments and on Twitter I’ve noticed a lot more hateful things being said by those who claim to like the show then the other way around. Interesting, especially when you consider just how many more fans there are that don’t like it than there are that do.

[@Offbreed309]

Didn't the opening "crawl" tell us in the first episode that the Sith have been hiding but one was going to risk discovery for revenge? I'm at work for the next few hours or I'd just check and quote verbatim. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, mates with other ducks while weilding a red lightsaber with a voice modulated helmet and foce powers...it must be a goose... obviously.

[@keithunlimited]

We now have a decade of new fans who think this is what being a fan is. They haven't had the chance to learn anything else.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What in your opinion is a fan of star wars? How does it differ from the new fans of the last decade

[@Decoto87]

I’d like to think if your watching Star Wars your watching all of it.

[@JayCeeSquared]

Love your content man, keeps me calm instead of angry when thinking critically about a project.

[@ernakopmak5373]

If people actually moved on and stopped feeding them money and any form of attention, they'd be out of business faster than they can say *Attack me with all your str-*

[@Ghibli-Dude]

I really think this whole thing goes deeper than Disney being toxic. The populations opinion of things like spirituality and good vs evil has shifted a LOT since the OT and even the prequels. So the idea that the Jedi are good guys who defend peace and justice is alien to a lot of people. Disney is responding to this because their own writers and directors feel the same, that a religious order can only be arrogant and wrong, and that there is no definite good or evil in the world. I believe this is also where the Grey Jedi concept comes from. I personally feel that the "spiritual" is deeply engrained in human nature (not as some ghost) and it is tied to our moral compass, and that Star Wars is largely about that. So it's terrible to see the franchise come crashing down like this.

[@brandenmanuel2037]

You can’t argue with people who say this. They’re delusional and if you do, it’s almost like talking to a conspiracy theorist. No matter how much Facts and Logic you throw at them, they will always somehow still believe in bs.

[@Thed538dhsk]

I say this, I'm open to facts and logic. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or delusional. Why do you believe that phrase "if you don't like it then don't watch it" is bs? Also aren't you name calling people like me just like how lucasfilm calls fans names like bigots or ism's?

[@brandenmanuel2037]

@@Thed538dhsk Because that phrase just completely dismisses any criticism towards a project, even if it’s valid. (Like what Thor said). As if Star Wars shouldn’t criticized at all, unlike other franchises. And I don’t like name calling, but the majority of Disney defenders I’ve seen do act a lot like that. They undermine or completely ignore the criticisms of the fans and say that the fans are just haters or worse bigots trying to “destroy” Star Wars when all we want is good content. (Similar to how a conspiracy theorist would ignore the other side, and just claim that the other side is part of some grand conspiracy and out to get them. Even if there’s no evidence). Maybe conspiracy theorist isn’t the right word, but there are similarities.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@brandenmanuel2037 DC guy seems a little too defensive there. 😂

[@Daniel_Huffman]

Much like conspiracy theories, a lot of the so-called "evidence" used to antagonize this fanbase is inconsistent with each other, or even inconsistent with reality: I remember one particularly egregious "meme" that insinuated that Kylo Ren was written as throwing temper tantrums in _TFA_ as a result of criticism of Episode VIII…even though Episode VIII came out two years after _TFA._ The reason why I referred to the meme in quotation marks is because it isn't really a meme. It's just glorified cyberbullying in both senses of the word: It's glorified in that so many extra steps were added, and it is glorified in that bullying people who don't like the newer content is all but encouraged.

[@christarride]

There’s no argument at all. I 100% agree. Indifference is the absolute best message to send.

[@sharksbreath7]

If they don't understand the anger imagine this. You're a KC Chiefs fan for 30 years. The team trades Mahomes straight up for Jay Cutler. The decide to play all games on the road for more money. They start punting on every third down to "subvert expectations" And no lineman over 200 lbs because diversity. Then a 10 year old at his first game tells you to root for someone else if you're mad. Are you getting it?

[@JoeOvercoat]

That analogy of a bratty ten year old nails it. p.s. I suggest the studios think that Star Wars fans should be as loyal as sports fans or they stick by team sides, even when they stink for years on end. That’s fine. I personally think it’s just a different dynamic when it’s a local sports team as opposed to some global media phenomena. But i think that’s why they think they can produce anything glitzy and expect the fans to keep paying for it, since sports fans do.

[@the-trustees]

Where are the white male characters, if this is for "everyone?" Or, at least where are the ones that aren't red-shirts from episode 4 who are about to die, in the back, and silent, like Lezzye and K*ntleen expect?

[@CHAOSANDCLOUDS]

If by made for "everyone" they mean a small group of radicals then yes it is for "everyone"

[@bobbymauro3721]

As a youngster growing up in the 70’s, Disney was always my happy place. Later on I was blessed to share that magic by taking my wife and kids there many times. Same thing applied to Star Wars. It forged a special place in my heart growing up during its glorious cultural defining era. Here again was lucky to have shared the magic moments with my wife and kids as we (wife and I) experienced the prequels then we (as a family) experienced the sequels during their childhood. Now, I feel nothing but heartache, rejection and anger at the way we’re being treated and disrespected by Disney and Lucasfilm. Kinda sad that people like KK or Iger can’t see or appreciate what came before… MTFBWY

[@obi_dean]

brian peck and dan Schneider are the heroes of quiet on the set from a certain point of view and thats why disney hired brian peck for the suite life of zack and cody after his arrest. Disney is always the good guy 😂

[@reaperebk1085]

“Ma’am don’t pull that we’re in Boeing, whole door can come off!”

[@joshuakolton9955]

Gatekeeping keeps fandoms pure and tourist free. This is what we should’ve done but we were desperate for other people to like what we like.

[@AnAngelineer]

This is the new, latest form of American puritanism, when you think about it. It's all about showing how "moral" they are. This used to be mostly about leveraging religion and abstinence, now it's about leveraging race and the refusal of negativity to an unhealthy degree, but the end goal is the same : showoff how "good" one is by not actally doing anything of substance.

[@primecrusader-q7k]

I'll play devil's advocate on the "don't like it don't watch it" argument. I think there is some validity to it. Even if a person loves Star Wars they shouldn't force themselves to watch the Acolyte and critique every little thing (this isn't directed at you, Thor, just the general viewing public). Go out and enjoy something that's actually good or that you'll like. Even just rewatching the original 6 movies or the Clone Wars or playing KOTOR. That stuff is still around. Getting mad about the Acolyte isn't healthy. If it fails to entertain you don't waste precious time or money on it. Find something else to fill that void. Not watching it also makes "a point" if that is important. Less revenue and what not for the company. I haven't watched any of the Acolyte, it just sounded completely unworthy of my valuable time. There's so much out there I haven't experienced that is more worth my time than fuming about a stupid show. I don't mean this as an attack on anyone, I just think people should spend less time getting mad about one thing and start enjoying something different. What's starting to happen is everyone is getting so mad and worked up that they're starting to direct their hatred at things that don't even deserve it, and only enjoy things that align with their world view no matter how bad they actually are.

[@sunkenobi1501]

Exactly. I'm more excited for the next episode of Helluva Boss and the new season of Hazbin than anything Star Wars or MCU(current) related.

[@NotoriousTim]

I agree with you, the problem is I want to be proven wrong. I want to see something good come out of star wars, so I'm always willing to give new projects a chance. Unfortunately It never really makes an impact. I don't even like the animated shows (except 2003 clone wars). It's just been a never ending series of disappointments for me and maybe I should just entirely give up on star wars but I really do just want something that appeals to me. Andor is really good so at least there's that.

[@generalbutterscotch4887]

Not that I'm trying to marginalise your point about the show as a whole or anyhthing, but in regards to Ki-Adi Mundi and how his knowledge supposedly breaks the canon, I feel like it's necessary to point out that in both Legends AND Canon, Ki-Adi is kind of infamous for being a particularly callous @$$hole who tends to take the "no attachments" rule to unnecessary extremes, like when his entire family was wiped out by raiders and, rather than allowing himself to process his emotions in a healthy and Jedi-approved way, completely dissociated from the whole thing and treated it like he just lost his keys or something. Again, I understand your general sentiment around how Disney is handling the franchise, but in terms of that particular plot hole from episode 4, well, my point is that if there was any character in the SW universe that could witness a devastating atrocity like that and still have the nerve to downplay it to themselves after the fact to the point of not even bothering to bring it up again when it might be relevant, it would be good ol' Mr. Longface.

[@thorskywalker]

The problem is Ki Adi Mundi is not or would not be (as far as we can tell thus far) the only Jedi who is going to have knowledge of an attack by a dark side user (that will likely kill Jedi) and that covers it up for... reasons. My big problem here is it seems like they're going to have Jedi cover up the potential return of the Sith in order to save their image. I just disagree any Jedi, who is a real Jedi anyway, would partake in such a scandal.

[@LordExor]

The problem with this argument is that only maybe 1% of this fandom actually levels valid criticism in a coherent, intelligent, and well-articulated manner. Spouting superlatives like "STAR WARS IS DEAD THIS IS UTTER TRIPE DISNEY SUCKS" is not valid criticism, and neither is saying Star Wars is dead because Ki-Adi-Mundi was a lot younger in a deprecated continuity. This goes TRIPLE for anyone that predicates their comments with "woke." So confronting someone with "don't watch it if you don't like it" is perfectly valid when directed at people that can't bother to present anything but surface-level criticisms. I'm ambivalent on the show currently. It's rough around the edges, and lacks the production value it should have--which, sadly, seems to be a trend among most Star Wars live-action shows not named Andor. But it's very difficult to have in-depth conversations about this show, both what it does well and what it does poorly. Unfortunately, the KZbin algorithm favors negativity, so sifting honest good-faith criticism from grifters looking to profit from outrage is a frustrating exercise. A lot of impressionable people xerox their viewpoints and opinions from inflammatory talking heads, so this phenomenon likewise poisons the well by engendering a shallow, closed-minded echo chamber of angry fans that don't even have enough self-awareness to comprehend what they actually want from this franchise. Ask them, and it will either be some grand and ill-defined concept, or an unreasonable demand like, "JUST ADAPT ____ STORY FROM LEGENDS!!!" Sprinkle in a healthy dose of nostalgic pining for when Star Wars was "good." Not that there's ever going to be any consensus on what exactly "good" is.

[@sunkenobi1501]

I agree. Also saying "wokeness" is not a valid criticism.

[@Daniel_Huffman]

Don't adapt stories from the pre-2014 timeline; we've already seen that happen both in _TCW, TFA,_ and _TROS._

[@victhesage9417]

One of the best responses I've seen from Thor. I know he's a nice guy and basically tries to stay out of the drama, but he tackles it here and he's 100% correct. He points out that some are using their support of the show to claim that no, really, THEY'RE the good people. It's all the "ists" and "phobes" shitting on the series that are the bad ones. As if they didn't have legit complaints. As if they don't know what Star Wars is supposed to be. My only gripe is that there's an actual phrase for what Thor is describing. And I know he knows it. "Virtue signaling." It's cool, though. He still made the points. And he's still one of the best voices talking about Star Wars in general. So yeah, good stuff.

[@nobleonyx5758]

I'd post a comment, however it seems like YT has silenced my voice.

[@Gnigghunter]

They _really_ don't like you disliking Disney Slop Wars. That's pretty standard fair for how communists operate though.

[@kelticowl9400]

Brilliant work, points are very well raised and the arguments are sound. Keep it up!!!

[@TI4438]

Obviously Disney doesn't understand the fans have been watching something else! In droves!

[@sssspider]

The funniest part is they say this and then whine and moan incessantly when garbage shows and movies bomb *precisely because* a lot of people already moved on a long time ago.

[@RavenCroftLoft]

Man I wish a company would just get the rights to Star Wars Galaxies already.

[@GoronMerchant]

This has happened with Zelda. It’s sad, criticism that isn’t positive, or promotes buying the product is villainized, and wrong. It’s not good, nothing is perfect, shouldn’t be treated as such.

[@crimsonorc]

Dave Fillioni should really have known all this but either didn't have time to explain to Headland or just didn't know.

[@timothychapman269]

Hey Thor....this was very good. You nailed it and thank you for your wisdom!

[@dianesinger9729]

You are always on point with your perspective on Star Wars and it's content

[@imnotinsanebisquit]

this is the longest ad for positve doormats i've seen in a while

[@8_Bit]

I think the closing quote in your title should be after the word "it" rather than "argument": The big flaw with the “move on if you don’t like it" argument.

[@SalAvenueNJ]

I miss the days when people didn't take Star Wars fans this seriously.

[@WhittaKEE]

Totally agree with you 👍

[@davidward3091]

I wish we would just let it fail... immagine what would happen when Noone talks about it.

[@Decoto87]

Too many content creators to allow that to happen.

[@MasterTim1127]

If Ki Adi is part of a cover-up, it's a pretty stupid one. One that Mace and Yoda aren't even privy to. Mace even comments that he doesn't think the Sith could return without them knowing about it. Which clearly they did. It shows gross incompetence from the other Jedi to have allowed the Sith to return again. The clone wars could have been prevented had Ki Adi just told the truth.

[@ramigilneas9274]

I care so little about Star Wars that I wouldn’t even pirate this crap.

[@oldguy6729]

I remember watching Star Wars in the movie theater. I went 20 times because it played for 2 years. Now they tell me Star Wars isn’t for me. I agree and say I don’t like it. But,…….that makes me all kinds of bad words somehow. I can’t support these people. I have to step away until they fail and are gone. They aren’t entitled to my fandom. They need to entertain me, I don’t need to entertain them.

[@ShirpaTheShirpa]

It's not like Maul introduced himself as a Sith. It seems to me that the Jedi simply use the term "Sith" to describe dark force users. So it makes sense that the threat in the Acolyte would be lumped in with that term and the ideas behind it. If these events actually happened there would be no reason for the council to react to Qui-Gon the way that they do. It's all a big joke now. If the showrunners don't care, neither do I. Star Wars ended when George Lucas sold it off. And that's okay.

[@DaftDrunk24]

It wasn't harsh Thor, it was necessary. Had they left "cone-head Will Farrell" out of it, we wouldn't have been so annoyed.

[@jessecalliham6974]

Hey Thor, Come on man please please please answer me, do you make your own pickles? 😂

[@RaikenXion]

I completely agree I'm the same, bk in 2015 months before TFA came out I got sucked into all that hype along with everyone else. I was soo obsessed with wondering what exactly the story woukd be about, what had happened with Luke/Han/Leia, I would be up till like 4am sometimes, just combing over all the concept art for that movie that got leaked on the Internet. I was obsessed, and back then I didn't mind that Disney had ended the EU, and made it into their "Legends" label, I just trusted that George had it all figured out and that Disney would actually respect his franchise. All that changed in me after TLJ. Now at this current point I've just became so emotionally drained from the whole division, from arguing with superfans who do just luv off anything with the *Star Wars* name on it, from the Sequels fans and from just Disney and the way they treat this franchise, and their overall antagonistic relationship with most us fans. I've just become apathetic. But I do totally agree with that first question and you point, infact that whole cynical thing of - "if you don't like it move along", it actually backfires hard because that rhetoric was once used on Ghostbusters fans with the 2016 GB reboot, and those fans who were told to just go away then; they did just that, in the droves and look what inturn happened to that movie. It bombed hard and killed that whole reboot. What's significant about the Acolyte show and these people Leslie Headland and main star Amandla Stenberg hitting out at the fans who are criticising their show, when it's only like half way through. I think they fail to truly realize here there are even some HR fans themselves who are not liking things about this show and the handling of certain characters; like that Vernastra Rowh. Disney are gonna alienate so many fans to such a point of no return.

[@svensmith1991]

The problem with that argument is that ppl are, and with every sub-par project, that they use this argument on more and more ppl are checking out, it is ultimately self-defeating

[@svensmith1991]

@TEL.E.GRAMThorSkywalker thanks what have I won

[@admiralseabass8993]

Here's what I don't understand about the people who are always positive - why do you then care what people like us say negatively? Aren't you going to like it no matter what? How does our advocacy for what we see as better, more consistent, Star Wars, harm you in any way, to the point that you criticize us for criticizing Star Wars?

[@donaldsmith8648]

You can watch what you want to watch especially if you're paying for it.. they can go to hell if you ask me.. if your show is trash 🗑️ don't attack people for giving an opinion

[@OseronPhaer]

"Local Idiot Ideology creates catch-22 situation...against itself."

[@kwangsoo515]

What if someone broke your window and when you complained they told you to just move to a new house?

[@danhillenburg4487]

I hate this style of argument as well. It's not just Star Wars, either. I noticed there is a type of person who uses this argument for everything: think the average redditor. The general format is: "I don't like what is happening to x" "Jeez, why do you even care so much about x?" It's really bizarre that they think it's an own. They're basically telling on themselves. They either do care about the thing they're telling you not to care about and are lying to your face while being a massive hypocrite or they're admitting they really don't care about the thing. If they really mean it, why should I care about their opinion in the first place? It's how people argue when their brain has been rotted by postmodernism to some degree.

[@DavidWalker1987]

Move on? move on to what, next product? dont ask questions just consume product. What happens if you dont like the current and future products. The only way a company changes is if you force it to - either economically or because of PR etc.