The Big Gender Social Experiment | LGBT Documentary | Genderquake Part 1

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@popcorn3186
@popcorn3186 4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe Marcus did this to Romario on his birthday. Things like this could scar a person forever. And Marcus talking about "community" when he clearly has no idea what that means makes me angry.
@Ray03595
@Ray03595 4 жыл бұрын
The fem gay dudes tend to love to create drama.
@consumy1841
@consumy1841 4 жыл бұрын
Ray03595 *cough* James Charles *cough*
@t.d.a7881
@t.d.a7881 4 жыл бұрын
@@consumy1841 you mean jeffree star
@shiroi201
@shiroi201 4 жыл бұрын
Right?? He pissed me off so increcibly much! That is none of his business and every outing should be on that persobs terms and not some dickhead who thinks he has to butt in!
@madisonthompson8984
@madisonthompson8984 4 жыл бұрын
Cis white gay men always try to play up their gayness like it washes them of the privelages of being a cis man.
@okikeure7422
@okikeure7422 4 жыл бұрын
Tom is a national treasure!!! How he just asks questions, he is there for anyone who cries. He might not understand but he just sees everyone as human and deserving of care and love
@ney4984
@ney4984 3 жыл бұрын
He’s a gem !!
@cheyayy
@cheyayy 3 жыл бұрын
golden retriever vibes
@lj4644
@lj4644 3 жыл бұрын
Its all about Just respecting eachother as human, we are just all humans. And indeed, Tom sets a real example of this concept ☀️
@MsDudette21
@MsDudette21 2 жыл бұрын
@@lj4644 and yet, no one respected the fact the girl was violated through intimacy by deception.
@jennarush9731
@jennarush9731 4 жыл бұрын
"At what point can I just be a guy?" Broke my heart. 😔 you are a very very handsome man king.
@l4truelaw859
@l4truelaw859 4 жыл бұрын
he can’t tho
@MuhammadImran-ln4fz
@MuhammadImran-ln4fz 4 жыл бұрын
I love u really i am alone 😍😍💑💑❤❤❤❤🌷🌷
@jennarush9731
@jennarush9731 4 жыл бұрын
@@MuhammadImran-ln4fz cool?
@jennarush9731
@jennarush9731 4 жыл бұрын
@@l4truelaw859 he CAN be & he IS in fact, a man.
@MuhammadImran-ln4fz
@MuhammadImran-ln4fz 4 жыл бұрын
@@jennarush9731 i am really seriouse plese 😍😍😍💑💑💑💑🌷🌷
@roos_treehouse1964
@roos_treehouse1964 4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how open-minded Tom is. He is clearly trying to educate himself. He was also very comforting to other house members. Seems like a nice guy. He came into it not knowing much about gender or sexuality and probably learned more about it in six hours than he had in his entire life. And he actually to learn. I was very impressed by his behavior. And the poor guy who was outed to the group. As someone who’s in the closet and has no intention of coming out soon, it is heartbreaking. Screw everyone who spread stuff around about him. It is not your story to tell, so keep it to yourself.
@veebezoo5175
@veebezoo5175 3 жыл бұрын
tom is like a perfect example of how to be supportive even if you might not understand. he asks respectful questions and when people are feeling self contious he comforta them. amazing :D
@saaarie7629
@saaarie7629 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus saying that honesty is super important because his ex cheated on him and he's comparing it to Romario not wanting to come out as trans to a stranger he met 4 days ago and then Marcus being so dramatic about it is crazy
@badaura
@badaura 4 жыл бұрын
Typical all about me entitlement
@Maddysublime
@Maddysublime 4 жыл бұрын
Lol i gagged at that most of us have been cheated on it doesmt give you any right to know someone's birth sex
@kaceynembhard225
@kaceynembhard225 4 жыл бұрын
@@Maddysublime Yes because if I am religious and it's against same sex then if you trans you have the right to tell me or end the relationship
@Maddysublime
@Maddysublime 4 жыл бұрын
@@kaceynembhard225 they arent in a relationship they just met each other they are basically strangers
@rouowward6917
@rouowward6917 4 жыл бұрын
I wud agree with you if he didn't make physical contact with the grl. He took away her right to choose when he did that. And since Romario is all about the right to have that choice he should of understood that
@lanielovespopculture
@lanielovespopculture 4 жыл бұрын
Who would have ever thought that Tom, the white cis hey man would end up being the most accepting and open-minded out of all the non/trans people. Except for maybe the lesbian who’s name I can’t remember right now
@aubreyarchives
@aubreyarchives 4 жыл бұрын
IKR I thought that was so ironically charming that the one society would normally pin as the "phobic" of the bunch was the one giving out hugs and cheering people up.
@limonade2544
@limonade2544 4 жыл бұрын
ikkk!!! he seems very nice
@byakurenhoujuu
@byakurenhoujuu 4 жыл бұрын
@@aubreyarchives That's lowkey just another form of bias.
@byakurenhoujuu
@byakurenhoujuu 4 жыл бұрын
@@aubreyarchives having a bias means being prejudiced.
@augureydragon
@augureydragon 4 жыл бұрын
Howie
@Levi-rl1yi
@Levi-rl1yi 4 жыл бұрын
Oh wow... trans people outing other trans people? Clearly, Romario felt comfortable taking off his shirt and going swimming with the people he was there with, but then they go stand in a circle talking about him behind his back wondering if he's trans? Meanwhile, when they get back to the house it's talked about with others who weren't there? It's that exactly what you don't do to another trans person because you know how bad that sucks when it happens to you? If anything, you'd think another trans person would be like: "whatever," and move on with their day lmao. It sets a very bad example to cis people educating themselves watching this. "I feel like I've been cheated" Excuse me? NO ONE is obligated to tell you their medical history. NO ONE. And why the hell would you feel cheated? Is he any less of a man now? Just because YOU are open about your identity doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Good Lord, this pisses me off so fucking much.
@jennarush9731
@jennarush9731 4 жыл бұрын
YES BABY THANK YOU!!!!! SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.
@niellalien
@niellalien 4 жыл бұрын
I see the explanation is only owed to the person's romantic/sexual partner. Everyone else - why does it matter?
@yumekojabami4038
@yumekojabami4038 4 жыл бұрын
I think you were fully educated and deserve an award for that. I meant that in the least sarcastic way possible😊
@megnemo6403
@megnemo6403 4 жыл бұрын
Just curious if you wish to describe yourselves in a manner that isn't chosen for you why do you guys insist calling people like me cis without our approval for that term?
@junenovae
@junenovae 4 жыл бұрын
@@megnemo6403 You are either cis or you are not. If you identify with the gender assigned at birth that makes you cisgender. It's just an adjective/noun, the definition of that. Just like you call a bald person bald and a painter a painter. Except in this case it does need approval in the sense you may not feel cis. but if you think you fit the description (identify with the gender assigned at birth) then that's just what you are. It's not a term invented out of nowhere to separate, it's not an insult.. it's just a noun/adjective. I'm short and that's just how I'm being described, I didn't get to choose my natural height nore do I have a choice in being described that way cause that's just what I am. I don't know if it made it clearer for you
@AbdulMannan-jx1yc
@AbdulMannan-jx1yc 2 жыл бұрын
Tom is the most accurate depiction of actual "healthy" masculinity He is precious!!!!
@alecc9022
@alecc9022 4 жыл бұрын
when romario said "when do i stop being trans? when can i just be that guy" that really hit
@alecc9022
@alecc9022 3 жыл бұрын
@Wake No. honestly there's a lot more wrong with the girl and her views on trans people than him wanting to keep his trans identity to himself until he's ready to disclose it. a lot of trans people don't disclose the fact that they're trans in the beginning of dating someone because when people find out they might not want to date them altogether simply because they're trans. saying that he should've told her that he's trans before they kissed implies that he's not really a man and that him being trans means that she's not straight. it also implies that if you don't tell someone you're trans that you're a liar or trying to trick the person which is not the case.
@esval3054
@esval3054 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe she didn't like the idea of dating someone with a genitalia she's doesn't fancy.
@noahfence03
@noahfence03 4 жыл бұрын
"It shouldn't have mattered." Exactly. They didn't have the right to out him like that and gossip about it to everyone. He probably arrived at the house feeling like he's in a safe space but got disappointed big time. So sorry for him. "When can I just be a guy." hit me. Much love to him. 💙
@raelynnclinard
@raelynnclinard 2 жыл бұрын
same :*( poor romario!
@uggggggghhhhh
@uggggggghhhhh Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was really none of his business. That was between both of them... Besides, its not like they were saving themselves for marriage and Marion was tricking her or something, she can still back out if shes just not into that which is fine. Its sad that they didn't give him the benefit of the doubt and instead assumed that they never had that conversation in private. Also, I don't think it was the blonde girls place to go around telling people either.. shes literally outing Marion behind his back to a bunch of strangers. Why? Marion didn't deserve to treated like that. I guess I wonder that if I was romantically interested in a trans-man without knowing he was trans and it was getting more serious - like about to be intimate, date, etc - I'd want to know that he was trans. Its worrisome if they never had that conversationn too; I have read about trans people not saying anything about it and then getting attacked. Its scary. Idk I hope its not offensive to say that because trans men are men. I'm not trying to be rude or anything so I'm open to hear others opinions, especially from those that are trans. My question is, should trans people discolse it to their partner and if I suspet someone I love did not, is it on me to say something? Who should I talk about it to first? What if its not a loved one but just a stranger? Would I be messed up to let it play out? Would you hurt someone by outing them or you hurt someone for NOT outing them? As a woman, its not uncommon to get attacked for saying no so I'm careful when rejecting someone. I wish I didnt have to treat men like theyre babies but I'd just want to protect myself first.
@raafjansen8488
@raafjansen8488 4 жыл бұрын
Really sad to see Markus outing Romario, very unnecessary and very cruel. Romario is right, it is his choice to disclose information when he wants. Otherwise, great series. Glad to see Tom changing and becoming more open minded. Looking forward to next episode.
@alexdelaloire8739
@alexdelaloire8739 4 жыл бұрын
Markus is so ignorant about the rest of the community! He's the kind of people within the community that say "ace people are not LGBT+" or "nON biNaRy iS a hYPe"!!
@Lee-bw5bn
@Lee-bw5bn 4 жыл бұрын
and then he had the gall to say "ive done nothing" and the romario had just gotten violent towards him out of nowhere when all he did was shout at Marcus to stay away from him.
@byakurenhoujuu
@byakurenhoujuu 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the others gossiping about it is not much better either.
@KSA-xl5zk
@KSA-xl5zk 4 жыл бұрын
I think Tom was open-minded from the start, he just got less ignorant on the topic
@Dan-vr7zs
@Dan-vr7zs 4 жыл бұрын
His justification is incredibly narcissistic
@thecritic122
@thecritic122 4 жыл бұрын
I´m so sorry for Ramario. He should have been able to come out in his own way. How can anyone be so disrespectful?
@randomguy6748
@randomguy6748 4 жыл бұрын
Him being outed was wack
@Mycenaea
@Mycenaea 4 жыл бұрын
It's also disrespectful to be intimite with someone without telling them you're trans. And he was(slept with Filo - maybe more).
@glenglen9958
@glenglen9958 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s fair though to straight people who like straight people, to be tricked into dating trans people.
@MsDudette21
@MsDudette21 3 жыл бұрын
Ramario came on a documentary about genders, took his shirt off that shows his scars, gets intimate with someone who knows would have an issue with it, and he's the victim? If you are trans and don't tell the person you are seeing that you are, that's fucked up.
@DeadAngel14
@DeadAngel14 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mycenaea Exactly!!
@hopeforfuture526
@hopeforfuture526 3 жыл бұрын
Why no one is talking about how supportive and open minded is Tom towards lgbt community ? Especially the way he comforted Saffron...He's a wonderful soul👌👌
@Jellyworm
@Jellyworm 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how he was outed behind his back, and then Markus outed him to his girlfriend and he feels like the victim. Does Markus even understand how dangerous outing someone is!?
@olivegarden1230
@olivegarden1230 4 жыл бұрын
I love how the vast majority of them are LGBT, and than when they realize the trans guy is trans, instead of being normal about it, and not doing anything...because why would you...? He's just trans. They all act like its a huge hidden secrete that they need to talk about behind his back, and make a big deal of. Its not any of their business, weather he is or not, if he's not comfortable expressing that to them.
@llamaglitter
@llamaglitter 4 жыл бұрын
I completely agree, but this is also an experiment with LGBTQ+ in center of attention and main subject matter. I understand why they would be shocked based on the fact that he said nothing before when they all opened up. (I do, on the other hand, completely understand and respect his decision and nobody should be outed)
@bosstorey8999
@bosstorey8999 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Why is it so uncommon for people in LGBTQ+ to understand that other trans peopl have totally different storys and feelings?!?
@okikeure7422
@okikeure7422 4 жыл бұрын
Lol....philomena🤣🤣🤣 transphobic but falling for a trans man. But yeah, I wonder why they made such a huge deal of it? If he is passing male? Or presenting only male why are they acting like it's some huge secret?
@uhohannie
@uhohannie 4 жыл бұрын
@Crusty Caleb yeah, but thats his business. They shouldn't have talked about it behind his back and Marcus had no right to out him like that.
@CarlesPhoto
@CarlesPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
It is a show about gender identity/sexual orientation. They all opened up and talked about things that make them uncomfortable and so on. But he lied to everyone saying he is a cis man, that's why they're talking about it, because he lied, when the whole point of this show is to talk about this.
@junenovae
@junenovae 4 жыл бұрын
"Romario are you gonna talk to me?" Saffron: "not now" "let him speak for himself"... HOW DARE YOU!? YOU stole his voice! You stole his choice to keep his life for himself. YOU are the one who didn't let him speak for himself. You are so oppressive
@miaelk
@miaelk 4 жыл бұрын
I think Romario didn’t want to talk to him so saffron was helping. I think but we don’t really know
@star2b4u
@star2b4u 4 жыл бұрын
That whole scene was scripted. All reality tv is scripted a decent amount and that whole hiding his identity was part of it.
@Noa......
@Noa...... 4 жыл бұрын
Never out a person. Edit: this is one reason why I still don't come out to most of the people I know.
@tahirawanga2466
@tahirawanga2466 4 жыл бұрын
louder for the ones in the back
@edwnamuli_0927
@edwnamuli_0927 4 жыл бұрын
Periodt
@BronzeSista
@BronzeSista 4 жыл бұрын
Right they should out themselves
@kattyk6370
@kattyk6370 4 жыл бұрын
Those are egocentrics and narcisists who do that kind of thing.
@Helen-tx8wf
@Helen-tx8wf 4 жыл бұрын
Never ever
@deathsalomon795
@deathsalomon795 4 жыл бұрын
When Romario said that knowing about him being trans is a privilege, not an entitlement, I just thought, wow, damn, straight to the point. Has nothing to do with "trust" and "honesty". It's private.
@__-gm7gg
@__-gm7gg 4 жыл бұрын
A person once told me this “ But why do you need a label for all this stuff? You should just be able to love who you love and be who you are” I flipping live by that quote
@lyras.9752
@lyras.9752 4 жыл бұрын
They shouldn’t have outed the trans man. The trans women them selves of any body should have known that..
@theholeintheground503
@theholeintheground503 4 жыл бұрын
He outed himself when he took his shirt off. Like... Everyone saw the scars
@_saphrogy_9623
@_saphrogy_9623 4 жыл бұрын
@@theholeintheground503 I mean, there are other possibilities for why he has those scars, ex. mastectomy.
@moniqueuu8777
@moniqueuu8777 4 жыл бұрын
Hypocrisy within the LGBTQRST....etc. community. I am a lesbian and get so turned off by some of their contradictions: respect me and I´ll think about respecting you is how I see them.
@myapapaya2317
@myapapaya2317 4 жыл бұрын
The trans women or anybody else didn’t out him. Marcus did
@Lee-bw5bn
@Lee-bw5bn 4 жыл бұрын
pretty sure marcus only knew because the women started talking about it to others. They should've minded their own business.
@Alexis-ox7lj
@Alexis-ox7lj 4 жыл бұрын
This just shows that there's still so much prejudice within the LGBT+ community. Markus being a gay man should know better to out someone, he should have respect for Romario. I also don't understand how you could have a connection with someone like Filomena had with Romario, and throw it all away because he was born a girl.
@theholeintheground503
@theholeintheground503 4 жыл бұрын
Sex. That's basically why.
@hippodisco1687
@hippodisco1687 4 жыл бұрын
I came out when I was younger and then was immediately faced with boatloads of judgement from inside the LGBTQ+ community so I pretended it was a phase. I am older now, and am revoking out because now I can better control who I want to be friends with.
@lexvt3551
@lexvt3551 4 жыл бұрын
@@hippodisco1687 If you don't mind me asking, what did you come out as? (I know there are certain groups more ostracized than others, and I'm just curious. Don’t answer if you don't feel comfortable, though.)
@lacali2346
@lacali2346 4 жыл бұрын
He should have been honest with her as soon as they were starting a romance otherwise you are deceiving the other person. You can’t expect people to change what they like
@Jenniethesilence
@Jenniethesilence 4 жыл бұрын
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@johnnydtractive
@johnnydtractive 4 жыл бұрын
So it turns out the most rigid & transphobic one there is the white gay guy, Marcus. How on earth can he possibly think it's ok to confront someone about their trans identity like that! It's no one's business. In the clip for the next episode he actually has the nerve to demand an apology from Romario. Yeesh.
@angrydonutface7420
@angrydonutface7420 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus is so far out of order, it's crazy. He needs to mind his own damn business.
@Blackfoxxblackfox
@Blackfoxxblackfox 4 жыл бұрын
The transphobia within the community is bad. Especially from the "cookie cutter cis gay men"
@EstelleLunei
@EstelleLunei 4 жыл бұрын
And I think they tried to reason it out by giving him the cheating back story.
@Lee-bw5bn
@Lee-bw5bn 4 жыл бұрын
Not at all surprised tbh
@xzantria6664
@xzantria6664 4 жыл бұрын
Also when he says he's not confronting him, while he actually IS confronting him and forcing him to answer "honestly" Wtf mate...
@kamerondurheim5767
@kamerondurheim5767 4 жыл бұрын
Ramario is so amazing and strong, and it was never anyone elses business to talk about him. My heart totally goes out to him. That can be so harmful for someone else to talk about someone. Ramario is so sweet.
@kylac932
@kylac932 4 жыл бұрын
Loved how at the beach the girls said they weren't going to say anything and let Romario open up when he is ready. Yet, then they all went and outted him to everyone in the house one by one. How cruel.
@keylimetea
@keylimetea 4 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Romario... that was out of line and really disrespectful. Also spreading the rumor was really not okay either.
@MuhammadImran-ln4fz
@MuhammadImran-ln4fz 4 жыл бұрын
Hi 👄👄💋💋💏💏😙😙😘😘😍😍😍💝💝💝💝❤❤🌷🌷
@MsDudette21
@MsDudette21 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a rumor. It was the truth. They are filming a documentary about gender ffs. And Romario knew Filomena likes cismen. Markus did nothing wrong here. If you are seeing someone you have an obligation to tell them they are trans. If Romario wasn't then I'd see your point and agree. But that wasn't the case. He was being deceptive by not telling her.
@NC-oz5xi
@NC-oz5xi 4 жыл бұрын
Funny how everyone is like "it's none of our business" but still talks to everyone about him being trans...
@TheKatarinaGiselle
@TheKatarinaGiselle 4 жыл бұрын
At least the majority of them said that it should happen on its own and they shouldn’t say anything..unlike Markus
@mindoongie
@mindoongie 3 жыл бұрын
people are bringing up the fact that he is trans because they're talking about how he shouldn't have been outed like he was. you sure you finished reading those comments? honest and genuine question
@NC-oz5xi
@NC-oz5xi 3 жыл бұрын
@@mindoongie I don't quite remember this comment well, it's been over a year, but I think I wasn't talking about the comments but about the people in the video? Not sure tho, sorry
@mindoongie
@mindoongie 3 жыл бұрын
@@NC-oz5xi ah I see, thought you were just confused or something.
@airoctia0350
@airoctia0350 4 жыл бұрын
lol the straight white cis guy ended up being the most respectful and accepting edit:my dumbass can’t spell 😔
@lenaduchannes2749
@lenaduchannes2749 4 жыл бұрын
He was so sweet!!
@vanitynoedel2249
@vanitynoedel2249 4 жыл бұрын
Accepting
@esval3054
@esval3054 2 жыл бұрын
Racist comment!
@nem.14
@nem.14 3 жыл бұрын
The audacity of Marcus calling Romario rude for OUTING HIM on HIS BIRTHDAY when rightfully upset just blows my mind.
@kikipacheco
@kikipacheco 4 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. As an androgynous human being myself, I relate to some of these stories on a personal level. 🥰 Thank you for this video 💜
@nandipandlovu9397
@nandipandlovu9397 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus made this about him when it is way bigger than him. How do you expose someone knowing how hard and cruel society is. It was horrible way to address the issue and took the whole premise of the show 10 steps back. The very mind blocks we need to break are being perpetuated by someone who should know better. Let Romario define his truth when he is ready. It's clearly hard for him, why make it harder.
@claytondavidson6308
@claytondavidson6308 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't like how those three instantly just flocked together to gossip about him when they noticed his top surgery. Like, could they have been any more obvious and rude?
@amber-dn5jk
@amber-dn5jk 4 жыл бұрын
ikr that really bothered me
@alicethemadrabbit1842
@alicethemadrabbit1842 4 жыл бұрын
"yeah, it's none of our business." *tells literally everyone*
@mindoongie
@mindoongie 3 жыл бұрын
true true but at least they were respectful enough to not tell filomena
@seandoesnpcshit
@seandoesnpcshit 2 жыл бұрын
@@mindoongie still.
@saniakhawaja9732
@saniakhawaja9732 4 жыл бұрын
"Dont disregard me thats rude" so is outing someone who OBVIOUSLY isnt very comfortable with that topic🙄
@GOGOSLIFE
@GOGOSLIFE 4 жыл бұрын
At first I was thinking that I have no idea who is what, I'm 60 years old. Then I realized that they don't even know what they are, so how am I going to know? To each their own, and I hope their lives turn out the way they want. Good luck to all of them.
@kaydii9542
@kaydii9542 4 жыл бұрын
what does your partner cheating on you have to do with this man’s identity
@amber-dn5jk
@amber-dn5jk 4 жыл бұрын
ikr his logic is just fucked up. its not being dishonest if he never lies, and it doesnt even MATTER because it doesnt affect anyone else!!
@ruilawancovers
@ruilawancovers 4 жыл бұрын
exactly fuckin'ly bloody true!
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690 3 жыл бұрын
Kaydii exactly
@Wooddweller
@Wooddweller 3 жыл бұрын
I know right !!!
@anav7250
@anav7250 3 жыл бұрын
@@amber-dn5jk yall acting like its that guys fault but its the girls fault for spreading it after they agreed to keep it secret and let romario say it himself..
@calvinashley6626
@calvinashley6626 4 жыл бұрын
Romario was not obligated to tell anyone that he is trans it is none of their business Markus made me so upset
@amber-dn5jk
@amber-dn5jk 4 жыл бұрын
absolutely. i was so frustrated at how they just couldnt be respectful
@TheRed4123
@TheRed4123 3 жыл бұрын
shouldn't he be obligated to tell girl he is dating?
@zoinktv
@zoinktv 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRed4123 exactly
@R4ptorSl4yer04
@R4ptorSl4yer04 3 жыл бұрын
I mean he is when there trying to be Romanticly involved in a person.
@kyren5333
@kyren5333 4 жыл бұрын
It is sad that some people are so closed minded when it goes to gender and LGBTQ+ people. It was nice to see how much Tom was able to ask questions and accept the others in the house for who they are. However, Marcus and Campbell should have respected Romarios privacy... Once a person has transitioned it is their choice whether they will choose to identify as trans.
@alexandriaromano736
@alexandriaromano736 3 жыл бұрын
As a cis woman with fertility issues, I totally felt Campbell’s heartbreak. And Filomena was way out of line. She not only hurt the trans and NB community, she hurt and invalidated my identity and added more shame to a painful situation. She needs to understand that her views are hurtful all around.
@sunlight93339
@sunlight93339 3 жыл бұрын
Right or wrong She is actually entitled to her own views and not yours or anyone else's. I'm telling you that as a lesbian woman. People have the right to have their own thoughts and their own beliefs and their own opinions about anything including this issue. People have the right to remain ignorant if they choose to. It's not your place or anyone else's to fix people or "enlighten" anyone.
@zaudyfelixochoa7688
@zaudyfelixochoa7688 3 жыл бұрын
She said vagina and utérus... The fact that your utérus dont work has nothing to do with that, your still a woman... I swear this days baSic biologie is needed
@geminiwolf0077
@geminiwolf0077 2 жыл бұрын
@@zaudyfelixochoa7688 Yeah, well basic biology didn't teach the fact that someone could be born with an xxy chromosome, and yet she exists in this video. Key word: Basic. Not advanced. Advanced Biology proves you wrong. And, come on, if you're gonna argue, at least spell "you're" correctly. It's "basic" English grammar. Or if you're gonna argue about biology, don't spell it like "biologie". I mean, you misspelled the very thing you're arguing. I say this as someone who graduated with a diploma and actually took basic biology. And English. And Creative Writing. And Environmental science. And watch videos of professors discussing the human body and it's chromosomes and brain. I've heard from cisgender scientists themselves proving the validity of trans people. Also, basic biology didn't teach me about intersex, but I learned they exist. Almost as rare as red hair(and yet red hair is treated as normal and valid). And there's probably over 28+ variations of intersex. Doctors also perform genital corrective surgery on intersex infants to fit into this false binary sex model that society seems so desperate to enforce. Then, intersex people grow up unaware of the surgery that was performed without their consent. Or, people born a boy and suddenly their body changes into a girl. You just don't wanna listen to the facts because you don't like or support it. And, wow, you're really reducing women down to their biology? It's almost as if cisgender toxic men do the same thing to cisgender women? What a hypocrite. Brain scans were done on cisgender women and transgender women, and then the brain scans were compared. Turns out, transgender women's brains looked way more like cisgender women's brains than cis men's brains. But, you wouldn't know that because you're still stuck on "bAsiC bIoLoGy." Oh, and I also happen to be autistic. And one of my autistic traits is obsession, and I am obsessed with the human brain and body and biology. So, I learn everything I can about human biology and variation. You wouldn't be able to look at me and tell that I was autistic. It's because autism isn't physical, it's mental. It can't be cured. Gender identity exists in the brain. Everyone has it. Even transphobes. You couldn't tell by looking at me that I was non-binary. I'm a non-binary male. I also just learned that I have a 0.7% higher estrogen level than typical males. I don't know what caused it... I'll find out soon enough from my physician. I admitted to my biological reality... you didn't expect that, right? Well, duh, we know we'll never be able to change our sex chromosomes(at least with current technology). However, our brain is a biological organ, so to deny my gender identity is to deny biological reality. I'm a non-binary male. So, you really can't use the "Biological reality" argument against me. Also, random fact: Red was considered to be a masculine color and men wore red, but boys weren't men yet so they wore pink, a lighter shade of red. Girls wore blue because blue was considered dainty and feminine. Nowadays, it's the complete opposite. Maybe if you spent less time on that basic biology, you'd learn something for once. And, as an autistic person, I say: Go touch some grass.
@esval3054
@esval3054 2 жыл бұрын
Girl, if you think a random person on a tv show can invalidate your identity, maybe you should work a little on yourself. Nobody is responsible for your feelings but you.
@jackaugustine6295
@jackaugustine6295 4 жыл бұрын
"if a really liked a girl and she told me she was nonbinary ide accept her" hes trying but no LMFAOOOOO
@noir6695
@noir6695 4 жыл бұрын
This is the most sexually diverse Big Brother season
@_StinkyAna_
@_StinkyAna_ 4 жыл бұрын
Omg yeees! Imagine a full big brother season with only lgbtq+ people?!?! I would fcking love that! That would be so much fun! 😀
@Furocious25
@Furocious25 4 жыл бұрын
😆😁That season needs to happen and I want to be on it
@thebookofkate812
@thebookofkate812 4 жыл бұрын
I sometimes feel bad when people talk about how much they want kids and how they can’t carry them, because I can but I don’t want kids
@jennarush9731
@jennarush9731 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Ive tried many times to have a child and when I found out I wasn't able to, it didn't rly bother me because I knew I more than likely didn't want a child. There are people DYING to have children, I just feel I take me (and my body parts) for granted. 😔
@niellalien
@niellalien 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@Mari-eq8rx
@Mari-eq8rx 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could be a surrogate? :)
@s.a.8548
@s.a.8548 4 жыл бұрын
Mari Skarstein Going through all that pain and suffering than giving up what you struggled for isnt for everyone. Only a very select few people can every be that patient and unattached.
@Mari-eq8rx
@Mari-eq8rx 4 жыл бұрын
S. A. I know :) That’s why i said maybe, I just thought that she might like to concider it 🤷🏻‍♀️
@madisonthompson8984
@madisonthompson8984 4 жыл бұрын
Use me as the “Saffron, Pheonix and Dan deserve more screentime” button
@likeitmatters6046
@likeitmatters6046 4 жыл бұрын
And Tom
@glyniskearney909
@glyniskearney909 4 жыл бұрын
I second the motion... And include Tom too
@catboymikey
@catboymikey 4 жыл бұрын
YES!!!
@kalMa1GNL
@kalMa1GNL 3 жыл бұрын
For me it is so weird that people that saw the scars of Romario talked about it with others!! Especially because they probably had been in similar position and it must be hard
@gayidk9006
@gayidk9006 4 жыл бұрын
raise you're hand if you're trans/non-binary and this made you mad
@toaster7423
@toaster7423 4 жыл бұрын
Very. (Also a lot of people in the comments. 😑)
@DeanthiusD
@DeanthiusD 4 жыл бұрын
As a trans girl in high school some of the people who claim to be all inclusive in this docu are the very people i would go out of my way to avoid. Seeing them out someone as trans gave me literal flashbacks of when i was in school and someone went around spreading my business. Its a horrible feeling and I absolutely HATE that they did that to the guy who happens to be trans (i cant recall his name) He’ll come out to u WHEN and IF hes ready. Dont out ANYONE b4 they’re ready!
@iamthemiddlechild9684
@iamthemiddlechild9684 3 жыл бұрын
Omg you're so pretty
@pho_is_not_interesting
@pho_is_not_interesting 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Hope you are in a better environment now. I totally wouldve lost my shit if somebody would have found out I was trans that way. Congrats for staying strong!
@mirrors87
@mirrors87 4 жыл бұрын
That guy who literally snitched in Romario, wtf? This is Romarios journey, and he seems a bit traumatized by his past. And from what I can tell from FTM transitioners, it is actually really hard dating coming from such a background, several FTM stories that I have heard alludes to the fact that females have a harder time being attracted to you when they find out you’ve been female than the other way around. Both positions are very difficult, but I think they might need different approaches and i definitely think Romario has a right to take his love life in the pace and pacing that he wants. What he is or isn’t ready for shouldn’t be dictated by another, even if that person feels like he is deceiving. If he is planning to come out with the truth to this girl eventually and he was, then it is his right to decide when. She should just look at him as a person and nothing else.
@jennahyser7245
@jennahyser7245 4 жыл бұрын
I agree that made me so mad but I’d say it is just as hard for trans women when it comes to dating man. A lot of straight men feel gay if they date a trans woman.
@luisasventa6749
@luisasventa6749 3 жыл бұрын
all talk about ,,him" but its about the girl god damn. If hes figuring out himself its his thing but never lie to someone in this way like wtf.
@mirrors87
@mirrors87 3 жыл бұрын
@@luisasventa6749 It's not a lie, he's a person? She fell in love with a person. It shouldn't matter that much to her what's between his legs if she genuinely likes him.
@chocobro3198
@chocobro3198 2 жыл бұрын
@@mirrors87 Yeah. As a pansexual I always struggle to understand this too. Like, if you fell for the person, then... what does the rest matter? How can that sudden perish based on something that seems so irrelevant to me.
@junenovae
@junenovae 4 жыл бұрын
this is so hard to watch. Especially with Romario... Like what the heck?! I'm so sorry he had to be put in a place where he probably felt safe at first but then it turned into an oppressive place
@wassenbrudens9368
@wassenbrudens9368 4 жыл бұрын
Damn I really thought this came out 5months ago meanwhile its been out for like 2 years. I didn't understand trans,gender fluid or non-binary people before. Honestly loved this!!
@janelle9870
@janelle9870 3 жыл бұрын
i really like how tom was so open-minded. he was genuinely open to learning and i love that
@LuckyBadger
@LuckyBadger 4 жыл бұрын
Filomena needs to check herself. When I was her age, I had to have a hysterectomy. Sorry honey, but that doesn't make me a man.
@tastynuggets.
@tastynuggets. 4 жыл бұрын
Who was she again?
@keylimetea
@keylimetea 4 жыл бұрын
Brokebebe no.2.5 the black woman with a very strong sense of gender being man or woman
@tastynuggets.
@tastynuggets. 4 жыл бұрын
@@keylimetea ahh, thank you!
@keylimetea
@keylimetea 4 жыл бұрын
Brokebebe no.2.5 Yw!!!
@s.a.8548
@s.a.8548 4 жыл бұрын
Bottom line only females have the ability to give birth.
@mosssssssssssssssss
@mosssssssssssssssss 4 жыл бұрын
I'm really sad about how everyone reacted to that guy being trans like jeez can't they just respect him
@mommy9568
@mommy9568 3 жыл бұрын
I know right
@joenimarien1535
@joenimarien1535 4 жыл бұрын
So Filomena.... I can't have childeren, yet I do have a uterus... but what are you saying??? The fact I cant have childeren...I'm not a woman?!?!
@juliakercsmar6587
@juliakercsmar6587 4 жыл бұрын
People can have such tunnel vision. Everything that is outside their experience, they fear. You are just as much a woman as any other. 💪
@bluna4505
@bluna4505 4 жыл бұрын
Thought the exact same thing, you're valid!
@Anona_Meows
@Anona_Meows 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly wtf
@naomimartin6376
@naomimartin6376 4 жыл бұрын
She needs to go back to school to learn her facts.
@laney2773
@laney2773 4 жыл бұрын
@Mina Guobadia lol i haven’t had a period since i was 16 and i’m almost 21 because of my birth control so have i just been not gendered this whole time 😂
@elliesuzuki4688
@elliesuzuki4688 4 жыл бұрын
when markus said to sav “let him speak for himself” I got so pissed cus that’s such hipocrosy. if you want him to speak for himself then whyd you tell everyone he was a trans woman??
@starryequinoxsyo5416
@starryequinoxsyo5416 4 жыл бұрын
Actually the correct term for a female-to-male is a trans male, trans females are the ones not born females, just wanted to let you know :)
@julescolon6502
@julescolon6502 3 жыл бұрын
He’s a trans man
@kaylahw6916
@kaylahw6916 4 жыл бұрын
It broke my heart when they started talking about Romario..
@pwetty4r4
@pwetty4r4 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus was so, so disrespectful. Awful. And then trying to play the victim after romario raised his voice at him.
@korianderthymian5849
@korianderthymian5849 4 жыл бұрын
The whole gossiping and outing a person as something that they clearly didn‘t say they were made me want to punch several people in the face. Meanwhile the cis-dude whom I worried about in the beginning turns out to be super respectful and open... People can be so cool if they just take their ego back a bit.
@juliette_lummm
@juliette_lummm 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't they leave him be ?? This whole honesty thing is ridiculous. They barely know eachother, he owes them nothing.
@ac12304
@ac12304 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus is a mean person. He outed someone and then kept saying "don't get aggressive, don't get aggressive." when they got upset about it. When everyone else entered the situation, he pretended like he was the victim. The other transgender people didn't take it as far as he did, but shame on them as well for gossiping about something one would think they would be able to empathize with.
@wondermhaule4359
@wondermhaule4359 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus thinks Romario owes him an explanation about him being trans, wtf. also how do you out someone like that. it was not his decision to make, that was wrong.
@okikeure7422
@okikeure7422 4 жыл бұрын
The Gay guy is the most transphobic......wow😨
@mooches613
@mooches613 3 жыл бұрын
They literally all outed him, gossiping like that. Like yes, Marcus did it out loud, but everyone had told someone else already behind his back.
@dewaynefrazier5551
@dewaynefrazier5551 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great documentary, it should be a reality show in itself.
@beeisafictionalcharacter
@beeisafictionalcharacter 4 жыл бұрын
My question is why everyone started talking about Romario behind his back. When they were at the beach they even said "let's not bring it up, this is his decision to talk to us about it when he wants to" and then they took that away from him by telling everyone behind his back. You can't just out someone like that behind their back, especially since you don't know who you're talking to. You could be talking to someone like Marcus who thinks they have all the authority to share someone else's private information even after that person has expressed discomfort about that idea. And the fact that Marcus was using that he thinks honesty is the best policy as an excuse is even more horrible because not everyone thinks that way and everyone who withholds information like that has their reasons and has their personal reasons. Marcus and the lesbian (I forgot her name sorry) should both know that it's not ok to out someone like that given that they are also LGBT
@Psydust_
@Psydust_ 4 жыл бұрын
I hate it when people say ‘we didn’t know this when we were little’ ‘we weren’t brought up with this’ Like I’m not brought up with certain religions but that doesn’t make me instantly hate on that religion ????
@annawolf262
@annawolf262 4 жыл бұрын
I agree I was brought up in a strict religion to believe one thing but when I got older I started to have my own beliefs and opinions. You don’t have stay the way you were raised.
@rodriguezelfeliz4623
@rodriguezelfeliz4623 4 жыл бұрын
But it does make you believe that that religion is not true (it is an ilusion)
@enricomahoney6617
@enricomahoney6617 3 жыл бұрын
No but you were brought up on being tolerant and to accept all religions. They weren’t brought up being tolerant and accepting of others people choices regarding sexual orientation and gender choice. That’s the difference. Back in the days people were more stern about their opinions. People nowadays are brought up being overall more tolerant.
@BlondeQtie
@BlondeQtie 3 жыл бұрын
And here I am, hating all religions, because people often use religion as an excuse to hurt others D:
@Justme0003
@Justme0003 2 жыл бұрын
@@enricomahoney6617 not agreeing with a certain ideology does not make you a hater of the people who follow that ideology
@ryangoebel16
@ryangoebel16 3 жыл бұрын
Being part of the LGBTQ+ community, these documentaries have meaning and are so inspiring for many of us seeking representation. If watching some doc like this disinterests you then walk away. I will always be appreciative to KZbin and authentic content like so.
@monstersock980
@monstersock980 4 жыл бұрын
This just proves you can’t lump all lgbtq realities together because even people who have the same situation don’t feel the same.
@thebeigecollection
@thebeigecollection 4 жыл бұрын
that one gay man needs stop projecting and let Romario be its none of his business
@leahetzinger7128
@leahetzinger7128 4 жыл бұрын
Hearing Saffron talk about how they feel about themselves really touched me. Like on the one hand I can relate to their feelings so much but on the other hand I just want to tell them how gorgeous and lovable they seem to me. Like of course you'll find someone who'll love you!
@h.a.k8830
@h.a.k8830 4 жыл бұрын
The whole them going around telling everyone about the scars they saw is so messed up. It’s like they’re in high school
@clmoore0425
@clmoore0425 4 жыл бұрын
This was really interesting! Would love to see this as a show
@leutrellbodden3743
@leutrellbodden3743 2 жыл бұрын
I will never understand how someone can say they don't understand trans and have never been exposed to it. Yet be so sure that they know for certain that they know what trans people are dealing with.
@rosamajlis5436
@rosamajlis5436 Жыл бұрын
I've noticed people aren't very good at not knowing things. Yet all knowing and understanding starts from the same point, which is "I don't know".
@555shawty
@555shawty 4 жыл бұрын
I hated the way they were gossiping about romarios body and finding out he was trans. If he didn’t come out right away about it respect that!!! Where is the compassion?
@cinnapokey
@cinnapokey 4 жыл бұрын
Ok so Filomena needs to go to a gender and sexuality course. It not as "straight" forward as she thinks it is. Some women are BORN without a uterus.
@101spacemonkey
@101spacemonkey 4 жыл бұрын
And even those who have one arent alwags able to have kids
@vladlu6362
@vladlu6362 4 жыл бұрын
Well, they are still women, even though they have a birth defect.
@linkinlog8543
@linkinlog8543 4 жыл бұрын
My cousin was born without ovaries and she’s still a woman. Not every woman has the same parts
@Alecto44811
@Alecto44811 4 жыл бұрын
some women are born without a uterus yes, that doesn't make the trans dude male lmao
@hawaiianborn1044
@hawaiianborn1044 4 жыл бұрын
True, however she won't bcuz she's too busy freaking out about her gender bcuz she kissed a trans man. What a same! Why do you think the LGBTQ motto is "LOVE IS LOVE"?
@kathryndressman1609
@kathryndressman1609 4 жыл бұрын
I don't care how much of a godsend you think you are to humanity, you don't out someone. Thats literally just LGBTQ culture 101. It's also a safety thing? God, this makes me so angry. I'm so sorry Romario
@doglover5524
@doglover5524 4 жыл бұрын
I really vibe with howie. She was so amicable towards everyone. She also def seems like the heartbreaker type, but hey, you gotta love it
@PC-kz9sx
@PC-kz9sx 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. It’s like being in high school again, except this time no one’s trying to drag me into the drama and I can just watch.
@HemlockC
@HemlockC 4 жыл бұрын
Wth Marcus outing Romario on his birthday to someone he possibly cares abt?! And expecting him to apologise for reacting as how one would if outed without consent
@byakurenhoujuu
@byakurenhoujuu 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like they missed a huge oppurtunity to speak about the discrimination of bisexual people within the community here. :/
@mossy229
@mossy229 4 жыл бұрын
Yes :/ as a Bisexual I agree
@iloveuth
@iloveuth 4 жыл бұрын
Yeeeesss
@luzbiz9668
@luzbiz9668 4 жыл бұрын
i do really think the principal sexuality should be bisexual lmao
@kattyk6370
@kattyk6370 4 жыл бұрын
Most people are bisexual.
@byakurenhoujuu
@byakurenhoujuu 4 жыл бұрын
@@kattyk6370 1. I don't see how this is relevant to my comment. 2. I'd really like a source on this, because I smell subjective bogus.
@kyiamonson2817
@kyiamonson2817 4 жыл бұрын
When they're at the beach and agree to keep romario's business to themselves... Goes home and tells everyone else😒
@Sophie-dd5xr
@Sophie-dd5xr 4 жыл бұрын
43:00 broke my heart. It is NEVER okay to out someone. Sure, you can disagree with how people lead their lives, but if no one is being hurt, there is no problem and you have no right to speak.
@ColRusSer
@ColRusSer 2 жыл бұрын
They obviously had ONLY Ramario go into the water for a reason. It was definitely written into the “reality” show! He kind of did announce it by going into the sea shirtless😑
@ladykim7905
@ladykim7905 4 жыл бұрын
Howie is hot asf but I don’t like how quick she told his business. Marcus approached the situation wrong as well. Smh
@justanobservation4955
@justanobservation4955 4 жыл бұрын
“We just won’t talk about it, just leave it.” Proceeds to tell every single person and the entire world behind his back.
@hey56688
@hey56688 4 жыл бұрын
Dude that lesbian I can tell is the one that makes straight girls fall in love, and then breaks their heart, and the straight guy is literally is in love with Campbell u can see it in his eyes.
@mydietisfruitsnuttandseed9817
@mydietisfruitsnuttandseed9817 4 жыл бұрын
lol, straight girls don't fall in love with lesbians anymore than straight men fall in love with gay men. Also, I doubt that Tim could have fallen for Campbell after, what, like a day of knowing her? Probably you're seeing curiousity.
@jettsetgirl
@jettsetgirl 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao so true...
@lilygreen221
@lilygreen221 4 жыл бұрын
If you fall in love with her you are not straight anymore
@twinkiesmaster69
@twinkiesmaster69 4 жыл бұрын
@@mydietisfruitsnuttandseed9817 falling in love at first sight exists..... Its called being horny
@mydietisfruitsnuttandseed9817
@mydietisfruitsnuttandseed9817 4 жыл бұрын
@DarthYuYevon so what are gay men who insist that they can turn out straight men? men's right activists? lol. not every stupid thing women say comes from feminism. now if you want to blame TERFs' brand of feminism for the stupid shit they say all the time, I can't argue.
@Cause.I.Said.So101
@Cause.I.Said.So101 2 жыл бұрын
Marcus: -“If you don’t want to talk to me now at least say something.” Me: 👁👄👁
@DewiMonalina
@DewiMonalina 4 жыл бұрын
Wow..thanks this video...I am transgender from Indonesia
@josephmorais5283
@josephmorais5283 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus is so disappointing. You dont do that. I understand your concern for Filomena, but then approach Romario about it, it should come from him.
@aliceweirdopants4297
@aliceweirdopants4297 4 жыл бұрын
Who else is watching this single, lonely, gender questioning, hurt and during corona times?
@rosibee4349
@rosibee4349 4 жыл бұрын
i'm cis but the rest fits as well 😂
@helenh5311
@helenh5311 4 жыл бұрын
Take care, love ❤️
@purpleduracell
@purpleduracell 4 жыл бұрын
Hoo boy, yeah.
@kateann4558
@kateann4558 4 жыл бұрын
In a relationship but lonely 🤣🤣🤣
@gelbweisslilaschwarz
@gelbweisslilaschwarz 4 жыл бұрын
same !
@lavendermoon00
@lavendermoon00 4 жыл бұрын
marcus was unnecessarily messy wtf
@jaggerkate
@jaggerkate 3 жыл бұрын
I have nothing but absolute love and respect for all of these people. It’s about darn time people can stop hiding from who they really are. Love from Washington state! ❤️🏳️‍🌈❤️
@siamanonym2869
@siamanonym2869 3 жыл бұрын
Can we all appreciate for a Second, how open, empathic and respectfull Tom is, despite making pretty much first contact?
@DrayseSchneider
@DrayseSchneider 4 жыл бұрын
Why did he out that poor man? That wasn't his right!
@anotherlee_
@anotherlee_ 4 жыл бұрын
Marcus: "I did nothing!" Also Marcus: *pressured Romario to come out, assumed his gender and outed him*
@bobbij7089
@bobbij7089 4 жыл бұрын
These people are so good looking! But tbh this was very insightful. I wish it was easier to bring up but only because most people would rather die than hurt someone's feelings. Nobody knows your story or gets to tell it. My goal is to be as authentic as I can be and see everyone has a human first and foremost. We're all much deeper than gender alone. And consenting adults dont owe anyone anything. I'm open to learning and growing always but also seeing how we're all the same before how we're different. If someone wants to share, I aspire to let them safely. If they dont, I want them left alone safely. Happy pride to all!
@l4truelaw859
@l4truelaw859 4 жыл бұрын
Cause they all had surgery. if they wouldn’t be good looking they should ask for their money back
@tobyyourbeloved1197
@tobyyourbeloved1197 3 жыл бұрын
I love the NonBinary one like their energy is just so chaotic and confused at the same time XD
@baytown3897
@baytown3897 3 жыл бұрын
Great, now I'm so lost without part 2!
@kip5040
@kip5040 4 жыл бұрын
ah I find it so hard to see some people not understanding/respecting trans people.. trans women are women and trans men are men. they should never have to explain what makes them what they are
@gab3926
@gab3926 4 жыл бұрын
@Eric Gregory bro, some trans people are very sensitive to those things, they shouldnt have to respond to a question they don't want to or that makes them uncomfortable. You should first ask them if they wanna talk about it. It's like asking someone who beat cancer how it was like, I'm sure many would like to tell you their experience, but there are some who just don't wanna speak about it
@gab3926
@gab3926 4 жыл бұрын
@Eric Gregory ok bro, I'm just saying that they shouldnt be forced to speak about things they don't wanna speak about. It's nobody's business except theirs, as long as you respect that it's fine. Also idk about the 90s because I was born in 2005, but at least I'm glad that my generation is more accepting even if we have thinner skin (and I'm not talking about 3rd wave extremeist feminism cuz that is just kinda bad and doesn't really help anyone)
@kikibuttons5788
@kikibuttons5788 4 жыл бұрын
Romario deserves better.
@Jurnicurn
@Jurnicurn 4 жыл бұрын
Can't belive he outed him. That's unforgivable. He needed to say it but on his own terms.
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