The Biggest Cheating Scandal In Speedrunning History

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One of Minecraft's biggest youtubers Dream has been accused of cheating by the speedrunning community. Today I explain what went down and provide you with my conclusion based on my own investigation. Huge thanks to k4yfour for providing the Minecraft footage used in the run and also helping me understand more about the game. Thanks to the Minecraft speedrunners who answered some of my questions.
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[@karljobst]

The video is for entertainment purposes only. Please keep conversation civil and respectable. I hope you have a great New Years.

[@marcus1759]

Ok

[@jjen_]

you too!

[@YT-mb5od]

:)

[@hayashidraws]

You too! :D

[@FanofGuardianTales]

You too! I hope Dream stans won't come here. Edit: people, after reading some replies I can see that many of you use "stan" instead of "superfan" Stan: (noun) an overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity. Fan + stalker = stan Superfan: a very or extremely devoted fan.

[@tehberral]

"Players don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster" I wanna put that on a fuckin medal and send that to you, that's such a good quote.

[@Brst4410]

You could say they're speedrunning speedrunning

[@edmirneziri3877]

@@Brst4410 they're trying to speedrun how fast they can end their careers

[@shankzula6332]

Right my fucking brain blew right out the back of my fucking head!

[@trollman6401]

@@edmirneziri3877 I wasn't expecting this

[@GrimnirLaguz28]

That truly is one of the best things I have heard in quite some time. Good one, Karl!

[@williamwest6411]

10:31 “1 in 177” Oh that’s not that bad “Billion” Oh

[@tokidensetsu]

Even if we get the entire world population(7.837.225.230 last I checked) + half ot this number (to account for "unnacounted" individuals) and apply the chances of this happening, you would have it happen less than 0.07% of the time...

[@x3dfritz0]

lol i was like "huh that text is a little off center... oh wait it wasnt loaded fully" xD

[@AnoNymous-dh2sv]

It's practically equivalent to producing a 3hour long symphony, by mashing your keyboard for a while. He cheated.

[@flow185]

@@AnoNymous-dh2sv Mozart Requiem

[@Kyle-gw6qp]

@@tokidensetsu the global population is an estimate and is supposed to take into account people not counted in censuses.

[@Simple_Caster]

Dream’s Fans: He’s already a good player! He has no reason to cheat! Speedrunning Community: Ya’ll must be new here

[@alex2005z]

@Bruh Meme dream wasnt even a good speedrunner, having no wr

[@AcolyteOfLucifer]

@Jupiter Probably cheated then too, would have been easier to do so in that run actually

[@nekoluxuria7721]

@@AcolyteOfLucifer i wouldn't assume he cheated in all of his runs since it is clear that he is skilled at the game. But this definitely will put all of his previous and future 1.6+ runs into question

[@the_otter5936]

@Jupiter dream is a gopd speedrunner, but a lot of speedrunning is dependant on luck. Dream had bad luck, and resorted to cheating and lying.

[@zweistein9053]

@@alex2005z He literally hold multiple World Records for the other categories

[@Supersayainpikmin]

Dream Stans on their way to tell him it's no big deal after threatening a moderator's family.

[@stinkyfart8176]

For real

[@mud5377]

bro it was an ACCIDENT jeez, cut the guy some slack! I mean come on, haven't we all got caught red handed accidentally cheating before, ya know??

[@JackTheripper911]

@@mud5377 some idiots are going to take this comment seriously lol

[@josiahball7799]

Wait, he actually _threatened_ the moderators?!

[@Supersayainpikmin]

@@josiahball7799 Not that I know of, just his stans, though he still calls them clout chasers despite them being correct on the game being modified.

[@GM-fw3wm]

“Players don’t cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time, faster.” Damn another priceless quote for the speedrun community. much respect

[@TheRealShortsRiddler]

Had me dying reading that lol

[@Damascene_]

Took me a minute to understand that tbh. So, the quotes basically “Not cheating for a faster time in the run, its cheating to raise the chances of a decent time in a run

[@TheBaldingPied]

@@Damascene_ that's not exaaactly what it means, but it's close. The better at speedrunning you get, the more you're competing with world record, the more good RNG matters. It's not that having good rng increases the chances you get a decent time, it's that bad, or even moderate RNG kills your run straight up. You don't get a bad time, you run just ends. You don't get a time at all. The wind waker any% speedrun was asscheeks for a long time (until a trick was discovered a few years ago that isn't rng), where at the very very end of a 2 hour run, there was an extremely RNG dependent trick you had to do (zombie fairy hover) and if you were competing for world record, if you missed it enough times, well tough luck you just wasted 2 hours try again buckoooo. Your run could be complete trash but if you got it first try you suddenly had 30 mins under your PB.

[@catsandco8745]

Speedrunners: Respekt

[@Damascene_]

@@TheBaldingPied Oh. Thanks for clarifying

[@Raffy3896]

you know shit gets real when Karl calls you a cheater

[@Silancet]

no coming back from this one

[@typicaltempo446]

Karls the idubbz of the speed running universe

[@chrisdawson1776]

Content Cop - Dream

[@aturtle8720]

Death

[@adolfdripler6910]

That shit hit the fan, sadly, not the stans

[@devilaverage6718]

Having "dream-luck" is an insult now, not a compliment.

[@Bruh-zi1dw]

Lmao

[@raevemaeve4323]

Especially now that he finally admitted to cheating

[@danielarputharaj9918]

Whenever I encounter some super rare thing I always say "more likely thatn dream's speedrun"

[@droid1008]

it was never a compliment lmao

[@randomperson093]

To the point where "dream luck" is becoming a thing in meme speedrun category and i love it

[@D4NK1]

That minecravenger guy seems legit, I bet he never ends up cheating

[@legendarywiimaster]

I know he has always done only legit runs it’e not like he spliced them or anything

[@dio8070]

Ya he would never cheat man

[@pastorlul2384]

Actually takes one to know one

[@ErectedGasCan]

Oh him? No never!

[@Pulsarnix]

I'm sure he won't

[@thehoodedteddy1335]

“Players don’t cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time, faster.” Is a very good way of putting it

[@Sneviled]

Nice pfp

[@MisterJackTheAttack]

When I'm playing single-player games (in a non-competitive fashion), this is the reason I use console commands or cheats in games most of the time. I just want to skip grinds and get back to enjoying the game.

[@petrkinkal1509]

@@MisterJackTheAttack This so much.

[@novaueclipse]

what’s the difference

[@90enemies]

@@novaueclipse It means they will eventually reach the fastest time. It's just they'll need to play lots and lots to get a *Lucky* break to have a chance at getting fastest time. Let's say you're driving home, you'll eventually reach your home right? Sometimes real fast and some other times not so fast, because Traffic jams, red lights, etc exists Now let's say you "Manipulate" the Traffic light to show more green on your Lane, or you can somehow direct the traffic too. Do you see where I'm getting at? Where other drivers have to drive over and over again to get that perfect "Lucky" break where the Lights are green and there's no traffic a Cheater can simply turn the tides favouring himself

[@solartear9588]

"A blaze spawner, which spawns blazes." Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.

[@arianam3720]

Underrated 😂😂

[@jelqballs]

Yes, the floor is made of floor

[@Dimi3-]

Lava is hot

[@oblivious3357]

in his video he says that alot of his audience come to him cause he's an expert in speed running in general. And i doubt if he wasn't asked to, then it wouldn't have made this video. So I'm pretty sure he attracted an audience away from a game like minecraft so he gets discriptive for those people who know little about the game. also, idk if you knew this but Dream actually means *7.7 billion*

[@solartear9588]

​@@oblivious3357 Did... did you miss the comment entirely?

[@YodaYoda-te4pj]

I just found a comment in the depths of the newest first and youll find it "Im smart at math and Dream didn't cheat so shut up"

[@coolman9020]

“I’m the top of my class in 2nd grade math”

[@siegfried2k4]

“Yeah i am an expert in maths! I won the 3rd grade math competition!”

[@macrorca]

"i can do 12x12"

[@zPigg]

"I got a participation award"

[@aqua3791]

Hey guys I know that 0 comes AFTER 1 (yes, after) so I know math and dream is obviously right!

[@ItsEllaBella]

Update: On May 31st 2021, Dream admitted to "accidentally" having mods installed that change the chances of RNG that helped him get the record.

[@lewisnorden3744]

"""""""Accidentally""""""

[@syus8350]

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[@joelhodoborgas]

@@syus8350 no

[@spookmeister4528]

It wasn't a world record but the point still stands that his stans are stupid enough to believe that

[@garrettwood201]

Anything to avoid any and all personal responsibility.

[@stockton1856]

My main gripe with this situation is that fans are saying that it doesnt matter if Dream cheated or not, which completely ruins the integrity of speed running as a whole.

[@lamihadamshareef5270]

Yeah Like I play hollow knight and i did every boss and No hits (which I did) And some dude walks and tells they did it as well but shows no evidence and is being jerk and try to hide he's cheating Of course I am gonna get angry because doing every boss radiant (which means in the game as doing the boss no hit) it just so spite me for even trying to it honestly.

[@Saitaina]

It very much matters and I would have been slapping any fan who said otherwise.

[@ljcagas6168]

It actually does not matter if Dream cheated or not, to his community, knowing his content isn't focused on speedrunning and this drama will be buried by his popularity so I don't get why people still argue against the evidence, math, and simulations that he cheated. What makes this issue so wrong is that after all of this, if Dream won't admit his run was tampered it's the integrity of the speedrunning community that is ruined. If a person can get away with cheating like that, others will think it's okay too. I am actually a fan of his content but I stayed updated because of the math lol. I never even thought that simulations can be ran from the data given, the more I know now.

[@deathy2885]

Dream did a video on his second channel proving his innocence

[@noonesarino7913]

@@deathy2885 Hahahahaha Oh no bruh karp watch that tooo and btw it got debunked also simulations

[@lemonlemonlemonlemon7494]

thought he was gonna say that he cheated on his goldeneye run lol

[@xmine08]

Me waiting for the statistics paper in two months proving that Jobst was cheating as well lmao

[@TheAPBTman]

JUDAS!!!

[@makersmarksman3044]

Lol

[@sebastianstiernspetz7205]

that would've been the most based power move in history

[@ItsSkylah]

That's what I also thought lmao

[@joeganbogan270]

And now he admits it, months upon months later, while claiming that it was an accident with the mods he used to cheat to make his edited content. Absolute clown.

[@YourOwnDa]

@@crimsonstrykr oh I bet they’re scripted, even if it’s loosely.

[@moorbish]

Imagine being such a genius but also such an idiot at the same time. That's Dream

[@nabibbs7937]

Dream 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@StarGazerTom1991]

And then he took the admittance down. This fucking guy lmao

[@deathwalker2580]

he didnt relize the modifiers, but I understand what your coming from. I hope he stops the speedrunning and sticks to his roots

[@rdog657]

This aged like a FINE WINE, love it

[@Xunizal]

Agreed

[@ridhosamudro2199]

*Now* the comment section is a joy to read

[@Ant509y]

Right?!

[@jaydensydes3478]

Did something else happen???

[@Ant509y]

@@jaydensydes3478 Oh, you missed it? Yesterday Dream admitted to cheating. Well, he claimed he "accidentally" had the cheat on. But what's important is, *he did it*.

[@marlosuper]

"1 in 177" Me: Oh that's not that much "..billion" Me: oh

[@beechboiii]

Sextillion

[@Hopey6371]

@@beechboiii it was 20 sextillion Before with bartering it was 177 billion

[@NicoTheCinderace]

@@beechboiii ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@hydraulicfacechannel2147]

@Zenki X haha SEXtillion 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@LeinadzzVids]

@@hydraulicfacechannel2147 1 in 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.000, guess dream just got lucky

[@ryankane4984]

“Just shy of 70%” Coward.

[@shayurbadal572]

69% Nice.

[@inkbean4826]

@@shayurbadal572 That is what I’m thinking.

[@Speedster___]

Lol

[@TheTrueBrawler]

I would assume 2/3 if he was going for nice numbers.

[@wompastompa3692]

@TheThunderGuyS I thought he did that for sextillion. Did I miss one for 69‰

[@kevin-7091]

Dream: If you disagree with me, argue with the math Also Dream when someone argued with the math: *SHADOWBANNED SHADOWBANNED SHADOWBANNED*

[@rayisi1502]

Tiananmen square all over again

[@muhammadsoleh4725]

Also Dream when Stans Hunter duplicated themselves: *Imma private my response*

[@ren5689]

@@rayisi1502 hm? That event never happened. /s

[@bernontecardo]

@@ren5689 [REDACTED]

[@imiq2941]

@@ren5689 Tone indicator makes the joke still funny /s

[@broken8505]

Those 7k dislikes should feel really stupid right now.

[@segtendonerd64]

Nah, now "it was an accident and it's old news so let it go."

[@Tael98]

Did something happen? I just watched the video and I don't really follow the Minecraft scene It is interesting tho lol

[@Jorsk3n]

@@Tael98 this vid is from back when Dream was being accused of cheating... Recently, Dream came out with a document explaing how he accidently cheated. The OP above is referencing the fact that this video had 7k dislikes (which were all probably Dream stans, aka children) Honestly, the best part of this controversy had to be the Dream stans trying to explain it all. Getting mad for saying that Dream cheated. Getting mad for bringing evidence into the fold. Getting mad at people criticizing Dream for using such a long time before coming out with the truth. Defending Dream because he was so 'brave' for coming out with the truth. It's laughable. so fucking funny.

[@Dad.................]

@@Jorsk3n The stans have now moved on to „it’s only a stupid block game who cares. Also everybody cheats“. I know they’re just little kids but geez

[@Chaud31423]

@@Jorsk3n How does one "accidentally" cheat? Next he's gonna be saying someone else modified his copy of Minecraft.

[@thekilla1234]

"I specifically waited to hear both sides of the story" Be careful, Karl. This is the internet. Using your brain can be dangerous.

[@mr.personalspace7831]

People who DARE try to reach synthesis by listening to both sides are OBVIOUSLY just stupid fencesitters, duh. Thanks Internet.

[@Davis...]

@Bird Face and horrifying

[@legendslayer6558]

bup pulls this post off even better

[@Monkey_30000]

@@mr.personalspace7831 It's not personal animosity, it's Hegelian Dialectics

[@officialromanhours]

Ceaser isn't a fencesitter, but Caesar sure is

[@fridgedog1468]

He didn’t cheat, he just subscribed to Morgz Mum for 5 years of good luck

[@edvinisgaming3509]

lol

[@bryanwells4063]

YES

[@Polarixcs2932]

This comment is the only thing that matters

[@Name-ut4gi]

@@Polarixcs2932 ikr

[@kbi]

pretty funny comment. good job

[@butterapplebutterapple5371]

Fun fact: MinecrAvenger (the guy who noticed Dream's luck) was also caught cheating pretty much every single one of his run by ironically changing the luck of his runs.

[@jackthehacker05]

Takes one to know one, I guess.

[@alanwatts8239]

He knows his shit.

[@riddlerx994]

Ah the classic projection

[@minioat]

@@jackthehacker05loll😂

[@ImdefinitelynotCobaltion]

Well he knew that it was fake because he faked speedruns the same way

[@Featherstar47]

Shout-out to the other people who are here after Dream admitted to cheating but declared it an "accident"

[@asdergold1]

Lol then deleted it

[@bengtbengt3850]

You comment is, just like most things regarding this situation, very misleading. Watch Karl's most recent video about Dream for the truth.

[@Featherstar47]

@@bengtbengt3850 Hey hun I made this comment before Karl released his updated video, which I did watch multiple times, but thanks for the recommendation

[@JoshuaVvee]

"It's not about getting a faster time, it's about getting a time, faster." Brother.

[@GameDevEv]

Brother

[@hastyhawkeye]

“Brother I am hit here” badger

[@kenidadwidesrana9319]

he spittin some straight fax doe

[@LoserHands]

how it be

[@randomplayer8797]

"BROOOOTHEEER!" - Liquid Snake, Metal Gear Solid

[@armuniii]

You guys are wrong. He didn’t cheat. I’ve done an analysis and according to my calculations he has a better gaming chair than all of us.

[@leaf9509]

They had us in the first half not gonna lie

[@armuniii]

@@Shrecked it’s too big of a secret I don’t even know

[@Decommissioned]

Dude I used the same gaming chair to cheat on my girlfriend, works like a charm!

[@kenny4906]

Don't be idiotic, this is serious DevilGhost.

[@godukekelsey6896]

@@kenny4906 tHiS is SeRiOus GrEeN bLob CheATeD BlOcK gAmE HoW dAAREEEE yOu TrY tO mAkE LiGht oF tHe SitUaTioN

[@emarythomp]

I really like how you actually came to a conclusion rather then just saying “Oh well in conclusion I don’t know it’s left up to interpretation and how you feel har har.” I’m so sick of analysis videos doing that to seem as safe as possible.

[@rayanmalik5744]

*ahem* game theory

[@crippledcow2235]

@@rayanmalik5744 ikr I like the dude but it's so fucking obvious he cheated, there was a comment here, saying if ten billion people all done the speedrun, not one of them would get dreams 'luck.'

[@Destro65]

@@crippledcow2235 Lucky dosent mean impossible.

[@crippledcow2235]

@@Destro65 oh piss off it *is* impossible for one person in our lifetimes to do it.

[@snacks1755]

@@Destro65 True, but, the odds if it happening are so astronomically ridiculous that to even consider it having actually happened is not only pointless, but stupid.

[@JasonHydrea]

I don’t actually care about the cheating. I just hate the way Dream harassed the mod team for several weeks and I hate how Dream just straight up lied to and manipulated his fans. He even sort of vaguely admitted that he cheated on Twitter but he isn’t even going to talk about this anymore. He won’t even upload a public apology to stop this drama and stop his rabid stans from harassing people. I’ve lost all respect for him.

[@yoshithebear7630]

I remember you! Your name at least.

[@yoshithebear7630]

@Trump Pence good. It’s okay to enjoy his manhunts.

[@brett_webber233]

@Trump Pence I used to enjoy his manhunts a lot, but now I just don't, he has completely changed in my eyes

[@brett_webber233]

@Trump Pence I guess that its just repetitive content thats why i guess

[@coomgobbler3847]

please don't call his stans rabid. I'm pretty sure rabies patients don't want to be associated with dream stans

[@ablqze]

Dream is like when companies get called out for bad practises and they say "We launched an investigation into ourselves and have found nothing" Edit: I didn't expect a flame war in the replies I'm sorry for what happened

[@zoramy9376]

Lmao , facts

[@ablqze]

@@zoramy9376 fax

[@kanaka118446]

The police do that too

[@gpheonix1]

not really anything else you can do though.

[@ablqze]

@@gpheonix1 have the investigation be carried out by a 3rd party which is not part of the company? Or in dreams case, ask someone who isn't biases in any way to make a judgement (they should be reputable and well versed in such knowledge)

[@skiiidoodle]

This is a “I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed” moment

[@angrypaparazzi8530]

agreed

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

Yea

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

It's just that... Well..

[@tikket10]

or better "not surprised, still disappointed"

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

@@tikket10 Same man

[@ruben._._34577]

I wouldn’t mind someone cheating, but the fact he attacked the moderators and he ‘apologised’ 11months later bothers me

[@ZaxTheAl1en]

And top of that selling a worthless coin badge for 20 usd bothers me more.

[@CreaperSiege]

Apologized to the "very unprofessional" moderators, what a stand up guy...

[@EmmanQuinones5234]

I wouldn't mind someone cheating if A) admitted it B) sincerely apologized for doing it Bonus: they meme and joke about it And he did neither of those 2 EVEN AFTER ADMITTING IT. What a fucking guy ain't he? 🤡

[@rocketlanterns]

It was honestly a non-apology. He didn't apologise for anything, he didn't apologise or acknowledge the threats his fans sent to the speedrun mods and anyone else reporting on it. He didn't even take blame for any of it, and then after all he said, he deleted the pastebin and tweet about it.

[@may-on7mv]

@@rocketlanterns That's just not true lol. Did you read the second apology addressed specifically to the mods and the speedrunning community? And he didn't delete the pastebin either (it's impossible to delete a post as a guest), it just got taken down because it got mass reported.

[@kavranaprogrammingtutorial5825]

To any dream stans reading this, 1 in 20 sextillion is an astronomically low likelihood, here's an example. Load up a fresh new Minecraft world and try to guess the seed first try. The chances of that are 1 in 18 quintillion which is almost 1 thousand times less than 20 sextillion

[@rumham7631]

being that 1 Sextillion = 1000 Quintillion, it's 1111 times less likely.

[@brainfuckcode4990]

@@Bruno-xi3jm you shouldn't like cheaters

[@brainfuckcode4990]

@@Bruno-xi3jm the fuck does that mean?

[@chrismidis9024]

He didnt cheat. He said "sleep tight, doggo" on a reddit post last year for 5 years of good luck

[@No-fd5ir]

LMAO

[@blubaylon]

You watch those videos too?

[@Touhou2006]

REDDIT MOMENT.

[@Jean-dn9ii]

😐 reddit mfs always be the most unfunniest i swear

[@SmokingSexyStyle]

The joke isn't even funny

[@KalenAlmeida]

He didnt cheat, he just liked one the comments that says "Like this comment for 1000 years of good luck"

[@Colon-D...]

Damn we were all played!

[@hugonobody3352]

All 1000 years of luck were used in those 6 streams.

[@JameyMcQueen]

@@garlic7763 Just checked. He responded to the claims made against him and his speedrun, and tried to debunk certain aspects. That's his perspective, so he hasn't proved anything. He can claim he didn't cheat, but that doesn't mean he didn't. Put it this way (a hypothetical scenario): Dream is accused of murder. He's the only one at the scene of the crime, and somehow the only evidence to prove he's innocent disappeared into thin air. He should be the prime suspect, right? So he's sitting in court, and the jury is filled with speedrun moderators. It reaches a stalemate because some of them say others were biased against him, so he's sent back to prison to wait another day. Until he's acquitted, he's seen as guilty. End of story.

[@JianCB2]

@@garlic7763 If you actually watched the video instead of just defending him without even hearing the other side out, you would know that Karl already talked about that video here and it was, in fact, mostly wrong.

[@kevin-7091]

@@JameyMcQueen It's pretty much the same case as EA Games who gets into Lawsuit for gambling and they simply said "we didn't agree"

[@thehumenthing8504]

The man once said he didn’t tell his fans to chill out because he thought it would make things worse. His fans harassed and sent death threats to the speedrun mods. Truly flawless logic.

[@obamaorb7426]

The fact that he tried to take the moral high ground by dropping the whole subject is so annoying, especially given that it worked and he's still speedrunning mc to this day. Unfortunate that all his fans are 8 year old and will just believe him over actual evidence. The man straight up abuses the fact that his fans are literal children

[@angadgrewal9324]

didn’t he quit speedruning after he got accused of cheating?

[@evangelinelomboy260]

@@angadgrewal9324 nope he did not he can still pass runs thats quite sad

[@i_Soar]

@@evangelinelomboy260 He can still submit them, but he has to provide exhaustive proof he didn't cheat them

[@obamaorb7426]

@@i_Soar Shame nobody else who ever got caught cheating got that same opportunity. For anyone else it would've been a straight ban, that's it. Pisses me off that he gets this special treatment just because he's big

[@i_Soar]

@@obamaorb7426 The double standard of most fans is the worst part of the whole sorry ordeal. Any other runner would lose their popularity instantly, but dream is able to hide behind his fanbase

[@qwertishere6317]

Dream has Fortune III on his gaming chair.

[@AED10]

More like Fortune M

[@kingmystery8425]

@@AED10 probaly dream use all fortune on 2020 for himself

[@svijj_]

Don'r forget the Fortune III LED strips

[@nick-st7jx]

@@kingmystery8425 stolen joke from top comments on almost every video about the subject

[@crainarmy1430]

He has fortune MCIII

[@drillcreepzproductions6326]

"Lol he cheated." -Sun Tsu

[@notonthrax]

Sun Tsu said that. And I'd say he knows a little bit more about cheating than you do pal, because he invented it.

[@Sovola]

@@notonthrax And then he perfected it so no living man could best him in the ring of scandals

[@MrSNESwithMemes]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

[@mariopikaman1]

@@MrSNESwithMemes *obviously hacked Soldier gameplay plays*

[@SirKrigeon]

"To the left!" 'MAGGOTS' *tosses gold ingot at piglin on the left, gets another Eye of Ender*

[@alivingcreatur]

dream deleted his response video 2 weeks ago

[@couriersix5893]

Nice

[@rayanmalik5744]

its cause he's innocent, see he knows he doesn't need to prove his innocence, his innocence is clear in his honest, soft eyes and his roguish voice

[@alivingcreatur]

@@rayanmalik5744 hes not, he thinks that deleting the video can just pretend nothing has happened and not ruining his reputation

[@rayanmalik5744]

@@alivingcreatur i was being intensely satirical

[@webby3174]

@@rayanmalik5744 he’s too handsome to be guilty

[@wii43jj]

lol, he deleted his video

[@madmaniac6778]

He did, wow

[@user-vp8qq3ev7m]

"Im innocent"

[@leaf9509]

I think I heard something about in a deleted Twitter reply he confirmed he was guilty

[@wii43jj]

@@leaf9509 yeah, but he never said he would delete is response video, lol

[@-morrow]

yeah it's private now, lol

[@aspetznazstan5118]

“Blaze spawners that spawn blazes” I don’t believe you

[@XraynPR]

Sounds suspect

[@NumbFlynn]

@@XraynPR Karl sus

[@rickstrolled970]

Last time I checked they spawned spiders

[@IridescentKySoul]

1 in a Mil chance of actually spawning blazes instead of other mobs

[@peashooter2048]

blaze spawner exist blazes faster

[@ahenobarbusgaming6675]

He didn’t eat pizza or drink Coke so there’s no way he cheated

[@JohnSmith-yn4uu]

lmao

[@Auvisome]

Henocide

[@Maxatal]

I get the reference

[@significantgumption]

Badabun looking headass 🤣

[@pizzaboxer]

passing minecraft in 5 minutes

[@lyzhongo5766]

Okay, he cheated and that's bad, but what's even worse is the fact that he tried to avoid all evidence and allegations with more lies and excuses. Let's not forget he used and still uses his followers as a shield. Yeah, the guy might have good content but- _That says a lot about him…_

[@brett_webber233]

@Trump Pence ikr

[@chihiroadored]

Tbh I don't think his content could be seen as good- at all. If we're talking about good, let's look back at Popularmmos, captainsparklez, and stampy. 😔👋

[@brett_webber233]

@@chihiroadored fax

[@chihiroadored]

@Philippine Empire Mapping OH YOU RIGHT!!! Dantdm hit the spot ngl

[@chihiroadored]

@Philippine Empire Mapping same 😔 those were the homies back in the day

[@hoodclassicsofcalifornia]

Always love that this video didn't end with a "Did dream cheat or not? Idk you guys decide" but with Karl not giving a shit and saying yes he cheated. You're the man Karl

[@aaronking2020]

Came from Game Theory?

[@jff4929]

@@aaronking2020 lmao game theory ran with the dad that went to get milk when he was asked if dream cheated

[@noxXxnocti]

@@aaronking2020 it'd be better because Game Theory's conclusion is that it doesn't matter if Dream cheated.

[@bc_7644]

@@noxXxnocti Why do you think that the conclusion is good?

[@samriddhirawat6673]

Matpat just wanted to get in on the drama without taking a side and calling speedrunning a "lottery"

[@frcemyth5710]

“Blaze spawners that spawn blazes” every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes

[@YurieSnowie]

Water contains water

[@gtPacheko]

Together, we can stop this

[@Benzcrimsonitacilunarnebula]

Minecraft is made out of minecraft

[@mrman9285]

Stolen comment

[@TURPEG]

That's a waterfall of water!

[@BublegorENG]

Therapy: expensive. Karl Jobst calling you an absolute legend: free.

[@TURPEG]

E

[@cedrick25]

@@TURPEG no

[@amritnalam9994]

true😂😂

[@Argomundo]

Wrong, its priceless

[@edgerunner__]

No it isn't free

[@L.Mandrake]

Absolutely disgusted at Dream's behaviour. Don't like too much RNG in your speedruns? Play an older version then. There's nothing wrong with sticking to the 1.15 category if you find that the Nether Update has taken the fun away. Isn't fun what it's all about, after all? But no, Dream thought there was no pride in dropping out of the most popular category, so he resorted to being a lying cheat instead. What a joke.

[@rhamby3470]

Here's a tip: his 1.15 runs were cheated. there's a reason he was the only person running them

[@raevemaeve4323]

He finally admitted to cheating yesterday, not that people who knew how to read or basic statistics thought anything else

[@JackTheripper911]

@@raevemaeve4323 i wouldn't even say he admitted it, he shifted all the blame onto the mods of MineCraft lol

[@raevemaeve4323]

@@JackTheripper911 Well, yeah. He still wanted to save some face so he made some more excuses. At least nobody can deny he had mods active lol

[@lamihadamshareef5270]

@@raevemaeve4323 but people will say that he has done nothing worn sadly

[@alexdalton99]

Dream didnt even try to hide it, no pizza was eaten all 6 streams

[@raymond4592]

that's how you know it was faked

[@jotarokujo3745]

Exactly

[@Name-qk5qr]

and he didn't drank soda while in the loading screens, also his heart rate was totally above 100 the evidence is literally infront of our faces all along

[@akoya5139]

i love how he explains it as if the viewer knows absolutely nothing about the game, allowing for literally anyone to follow through

[@no1uno388]

they can not know about speedrun, i didnt know about newer versions of minecraft

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

I didn't know most of this Since the netherupdate is VERY new

[@vicmorgana5516]

I've known speedrunning was a thing for a long time, but I never knew the ins and outs until just recently. Karl's videos have been pretty educational since he doesn't assume everybody knows how it works.

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

Oh hey sad cube boi

[@linandy1]

Yup, i had no idea what it was till now.

[@MrBennedy]

I'm a mathematics teacher and when I read the paper by Dream's hired party something about it seemed off very quickly. At university I focused on Complex Analysis and left statistics behind after the first year - so I'm willing to cede any authority on the validity of the statistical modelling since I'm only familiar with the Binomial and Poisson distributions, and not the Bayesian system. However, the paper, by its own admission, serves to shine a light on the ONE in 100,000,000 probability rather than the original probability in the trillions, and then say this is within the realms of acceptable statistical likelihood. It read like a bad defense lawyer hired to argue for the guy caught holding the smoking pistol. Just on the first scan of the paper I saw a missing bracket in one of the lines of formulae - indicating that the paper was 1.) not self-checked and/or 2.) not peer-reviewed. Also I noticed a repeated type-setting error that I used to make when I first started writing mathematical papers using the program Latex (I suspect Latex was used here as well): Someone used to writing mathematical papers should either know or care to find out how to use the correct quotation marks. Using the ' " ' key in Latex only produces the 'end quote' and is consistently used in this paper which makes it look rushed / amateurish (by the way, to Dream's mystery mathematician: the open quote is ' `` ') . Someone whom Dream stated graduated from Harvard (was it? or Boston MIT? I forget) and stated that they were an astrostatistician would surely have taken the time and care to present a more professional document. In keeping with this theme, many of the footnotes were links to Wikipedia... If I had cited Wikipedia as my sources for mathematical theorems, proofs, and histories I would have been scolded heavily by my tutors at university. The whole paper, along with Dream's response video, seemed like a "smoke and mirrors" act to provide any deflection possible from the glaring and damning statistical data.

[@98danielray]

yeah, they didnt even bother to cite the sources in wikipedia. it was the wiki itself. also, latex is not a program, it is a language, but yes, Im also guilty of committing the quotes mistake.

[@LordDragox412]

That "astrostastistician from Harvard" was just a random anonymous dude from a shady website Dream hired to write the paper for him. Dream liked to claim that the mods were biased, but he forgot that funding bias is also a thing so even if his guy was real, the party that did it couldn't be counted as unaffiliated considering he paid them to write it (and even then, the paper itself claimed that Dream cheated but funnily enough he never even read it after the first few sentences so he didn't know)...

[@charmy2877]

This is so true lol

[@ayushagarwal3365]

Dream admitted that he rushed the mathematician for releasing the paper as he was getting a lot of bad press and he wanted to respond as soon as possible.

[@jg97873]

@@ayushagarwal3365 I mean, it makes sense to rush the paper since the people that published the first one did it before even telling him that they were investigating. Seems like a dick move to do that tbh, he doesn't have time to do anything before the bad press starts. But even with a rushed paper, if the maths don't make sense, he's lying.

[@aaronrashid2075]

Dream here is morally wrong. While I do enjoy his content, it is hard to watch someone fake it till they make it here.

[@Cornysz]

tbh idc about fake speedrunning, look at other dream's content (Minecraft, but ... ), it's very enjoyable to watch, even with his team like george etc. That's why his subs increase so fast.

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

@@Cornysz i dont know what is so Entertaining about a "pro" Beating up 3 Noobs

[@randomlady4949]

@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 their screaming

[@blockman1847]

@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 I don't know why people don't understand they better than average people not noobs who literally don't even know how craft

[@m00se40]

@@Cornysz it matters when other people work so hard to get records and this Dream guy comes in and cheats his way up, it’s very scummy.

[@s-zz]

There would be no dislikes if this video was age restricted.

[@kiingdomkey3857]

💀💀💀

[@prudenciomangaoangiii403]

thinking about it more makes u realize literallyevery video has dislikes and its always like this you dont even get to wonder wy anymore

[@prudenciomangaoangiii403]

that aside tho i agree with you

[@mee2556]

There is no dislike now

[@mrhocuspocus]

His tactic of initially claiming his score is not high enough on the leader board to be investigated is the exact same excuse Billy Mitchell gave when he was first accused of cheating as well. Interesting trend here.

[@KartonRealista2]

This has more to do with how random seed speedruns work, I doubt he intentionally cheated 5th place instead of 1st, he just didn't get the right seed for nr. 1. There's just too much randomness in minecraft speedruns compared with GoldenEye or old arcade games, which have very linear and predictable speedruns.

[@huckthatdish]

@@KartonRealista2 yeah these drop chances in set seed 1.16 would probably be a guaranteed 1st for any of the top players in just a few runs. (Unless set seed is like an already complete portal or something I haven’t seen 1.16 set seed)

[@icantthinkofaname8139]

@karton realista Maybe he did modify teh drop rates but other random elements were too unlucky for number 1. It is insanely optomized.

[@jahraccoon1396]

I only got 5th place in the olympics. Why even bother doing a drug test on me? Makes no sense bro. - Dream

[@nikhil15s61]

Yeah

[@xPoemi]

The very first thing that bothered me about Dreams "statement" was that he apprently hired a world famous scientist that does astro statistics but didn't even bother to mention his name...

[@TheAnimationStationTAS]

It's because Dream is a famous scientist, why else wouldn't he show his face?

[@blakeerenhouse943]

If it was actually real, I can understand wanting to remain anonymous tbh. Your a very well regarded astrophysicist and then you start writing papers on a youtubers Minecraft speed run drama. Not a very good look lol.

[@_ikako_]

@@TheAnimationStationTAS he was the one that got the Apollo rocket to the moon, he simply changed the gravitational force of the earth in the code, which meant it was easier for the rocket to get to space

[@TrailBaby]

Just commented same thing rofl. And it was going to be "published either way" my ass

[@brycevogt9669]

@@_ikako_ I thought he was the one who stopped world hunger by increasing the drop rate on sheep.

[@pringlepenguin2448]

I'm scared that people genuinely believe that dream didnt cheat...

[@justanidiot3994]

@Trump Pence his odds are impossible in game codes, yet people say it's still possible......

[@pringlepenguin2448]

@@justanidiot3994 game codes?

[@justanidiot3994]

@@pringlepenguin2448 yeah, he moded the game codes.

[@pringlepenguin2448]

@@justanidiot3994 code.

[@maxdavis7722]

@Trump Pence when?

[@SirTroglodyte]

I love things got so serious! 15:20 And thanks to Karl for explaining how Minecraft works (no sarcasm here, never played this game :))

[@adriantheo7654]

Yessir

[@kingofthedarknessbelow9833]

Another verified KZbinr I don't know

[@zendrive-4904]

@@kingofthedarknessbelow9833 another unverified user I don’t know

[@couriersix5893]

@@zendrive-4904 what the heck

[@TheGreyFeather0707]

@@kingofthedarknessbelow9833 top ten weirdest user name ever

[@weetabixharry]

Not enough credit is given to the moderators for their analysis. It was an incredible effort and is a huge credit to the integrity of speedrunning. The fact that their theoretical results are now aligning with large numerical simulations is confirmation of how well they did. Absolute legends.

[@aamaruvi]

Dream knows he can’t counter the math so he just uses deception to make the mods look inexperienced. In the original Geosquare video the mods wanted to get a third party but dream didn’t because “third parties are biased to the side that paid for them”. What does he go and do, hire a third party and claim that they are unbiased.

[@GoogieBuiscut]

@@aamaruvi and not only that, he literally told the mods that they are "clout chasing".Dream is right over his head with fame where no-one outside of this community knows who he really is lmao.

[@NicoTheCinderace]

@@GoogieBuiscut The mods made a rebuttal to his document. Plus, I had any problems with his response myself, especailly how the website was made using Wix.

[@Seth_M-T]

As far as I'm concerned, the simulations are by far the most reliable evidence that Dream cheated. The fact that the stats that the mods published apparently align with these simulations is very impressive.

[@awesomeguy9513]

Well we do know the mods are that who made the first document and the verified Reddit guy who made a debunking document to dreams respond. we know this people and the background from their public accounts, but the expert from Harvard the dream hired is anonymous he could be from Harvard or he could be a fan that’s in high school we don’t know his background beside what dream says and that’s not the most reliable in this problem. Dream needs to hire someone who is public and has a verified background to make a document to prove his innocences but until then with the current documents it looks to be dream is guilty of cheating

[@Wilson-md4bv]

Wow that quote. "Players don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time, faster"

[@no-qm4ug]

"wOw bRo, ThAt hIt dIfFeReNt."

[@Austin-db6fl]

@@no-qm4ug lmao dream stan

[@badabing9402]

@@Austin-db6fl how does that make him a dream stan

[@vivelespatat2670]

@@Austin-db6fl AMIR was referring to the unoriginal comments about "it hits different now" which a lot of people uses for free likes, even tho they never understood about the original idea of the comment/video. So instead of throwing out of your mouth "lol dream stan", try to *think* before commenting something. Thanks and have fun.

[@Fadexpl]

@「STAND NAME」Kero Kero Bonito「STAND MASTER」Flamingo it doesn't try to justify anything, cheaters are still assholes. It just gives insight to their motivation.

[@why533]

Look who was right...all of us, unless you where blind or can’t comprehend basic statistics.

[@soulreaper1461]

Minecraft audience is mostly kids. Good luck trying to reason with them using advanced statistics

[@chickenspaceprogram]

Unfortunately this is truer than we'd all like to admit...

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

Most of the american players actually are 20 years old on average, I don't think it's fair to put the Dream community and the entire Minecraft community in the same place.

[@randomuser5443]

Honestly, i dont understand and im an adult

[@TheBlueMan117]

The one year when minecraft had 130 players and I was the only child.

[@chrisxd146]

Not even advanced statistics, most of the material is intro level. Statistics is just a brutal subject overall that pulls from several different topics in mathematics in a unique and meaningful way.

[@EinManU]

respect for not jumping on this as it happened for the easy clicks, but instead waiting it out - definetly a rare thing to do these days

[@chrisgaming9567]

That's my favourite thing about it

[@joelwallace1774]

Agreed... people definetly went on the offensive too quickly on it all.

[@YukiAndZeroFTW]

Yeah man, it's karl

[@LordDragox412]

Inb4 Dream: *"CLICKBAIT!"*

[@jordanoconnell48]

Exactly and because he's patiently waited he's made a well made researched video that deserves a lot of credit

[@itzsnarkyclips5209]

Karl: "trillions of simulations running every second and not one has come close to dreams luck" Dream: "I respectfully disagree"

[@lukemini9021]

"respectfully" ironic

[@astrawberrydaiquiri5649]

Respectful is not the word *I* would use...

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@Apple TDS alert! TDS alert, everyone! You could have went five seconds without mentioning orange man bad. I guess you people really are NPCs :)

[@bennilol2034]

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 this isnt even "orange man bad" he just said that dreams twitter responses were worded similar to trump tweets

[@metarmask]

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Someone: Alludes to bad qualities of Trump. NPC: Trump Derangement Syndrome. Orange man bad. NPC.

[@boahneelassmal]

No expert in any field would ever write a paper / analysis about a complicated topic anonymously. There's only one reason someone would do this: self preservation. knowingly presenting flawed / erronious data while writing under their name would cause them to lose pretty much all of their credibility and destroy their carreer. I'm not saying all in this paper is incorrect but you can bet your life there's some tweaked numbers in there to paint the image dream wanted to be painted.

[@fluffywhitellama4144]

Absolutely true. If you watch the video from Stand up Maths, he explains everything that was wrong with Dream's paper.

[@4llain]

Dream Stan's be like: Stans: *"Dream didn't kill! He's innocent!"* Dream: *"I killed someone"* Stans: *"It's ok he's in heaven, dream didn't do anything wrong. That person was gonna die anyways in the future."*

[@carlotizz]

Lmao

[@muhammadsoleh4725]

Lmao

[@samr9457]

Lmao

[@roburt8528]

Lmao

[@Delta21OnYT]

Lmao

[@gentleman40]

“Players don’t cheat to get a faster timer, they cheat to get a time faster”

[@TheArchitect097]

This is a hell of a quote.

[@user-lo3er3th8g]

Speed runners*

[@bloxyyt]

u do know those 2 things are different

[@martim5800]

@@bloxyyt I think he just quoted it because it's a good quote

[@thawhitecletis4569]

ca someine explain this to me i really dont understand what this means.

[@skeletonmeatphantasylibrary]

"Dream's luck was about to change!" one way or another lmao

[@The34gl3]

He will be fine, financially. But I'm sure he will suffer with this burden.

[@kseventytwo]

idk why but this made me laugh so fucking hard, probably cos its 3:45 on new years day but regardless, thank you for that dude

[@user-cq8tt5ek3x]

Yep, that’s the joke

[@ishxdxw8425]

lmao= "lettuce mayo and onion" - Bitzel 2020

[@Ordracusmaster]

You comment is at 777

[@djoakeydoakey1076]

The maths YT guy said if 10 billion humans do this speedrun every second for 100 years. It wouldn't have had Dreams luck.

[@kyrex1785]

Do you refer to Stand-Up Maths or someone else?

[@poundlandrasputin4801]

@@kyrex1785 yeah i think so

[@charlierees4251]

MinecrAvenger, what a smart guy. Imagine if he learned he could cheat at speedruns...

[@ErectedGasCan]

Yeah... but he would not... would he?

[@Macronaso]

"Players dont cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster" will be used in every cheat exposing video from now on as its the perfect explanation. E: (for RNG cheaters)

[@Macronaso]

@@theAstarrr I am of course referring to cheating for rng, not cheating in general.

[@carteljameson8395]

@@theAstarrr Plus, he was mostly referencing high level players, as his statement is more applicable to them rather than some random speedrunner who isn't very good.

[@Syllaren]

OBJECTION!!!!!!! Todd Rogers.

[@deathZor42]

Honestly that only applies to the top runners, like if we take all the RNG out like it becomes easier as well you no longer have to be consistently good so somebody how sucks like me would be able to get better times because my best result where the luck is me timing things right would now finish. Where with RNG the odds of such a result finishing rather then being a result of good understanding of the games mechanics is well questionable

[@sabretootheel9426]

It’ll be another one of those sayings like how on every god damn video covering a game delay. “ A rushed game is forever bad but a dela-“ We get it. The game got delayed and that usually is a good thing. That’s the 4th comment with the same quote. Do you have anything interesting or unique to say instead of quoting the first comment you saw that made you look like you are some master of game delays.

[@cuntagi0us]

Considering how easy it is to modify the loot tables I'm surprised the minecraft speed running community doesn't have better technical checks / verification / proofs required for runs.

[@franzliszt767]

True, I reckon this whole situation will bring a rise to that

[@eleventybillion]

Some files are now required for top runs, but there are still ways to cheat that are basically undetectable. Fortunately, the way the meta has shifted recently has put much more emphasis on the seed you get rather than the rng you get within it, and set seeds are much easier to detect than loot table manipulation.

[@Capatron1]

Showing a hash of the files when the credits appear will help to mitigate this easily, I hope Mojang cooperates with the speedrunning community to implement such a feature

[@aspielm759]

Speaking of which, how would you do that? I kinda stopped messing around with commandblocks, one command machines all that stuff right before the first 1.13 snapshot. I heard some myths here and there about datapacks, but I don‘t really know if it‘s just that

[@ashxarya4294]

i actually find this very funny because dream was one of the first people complaining about this issue and gave a ton of (imo) good ideas as to how they could be more verifiable, yet here he is a couple months later cheating himself

[@solohi]

I don't know why one of the most popular Minecraft KZbinrs who makes enough money to _live_ by doing what he loves with his best friends, would ever even dream of spoiling his beloved fan-base and manipulating them to take his side against anyone who opposed him. The way he worded his tweets was completely unwholesome and deceptive. He completely took advantage of his loyal fans and used them to make the moderators' lives miserable. ;(

[@MetalMachine131]

Out of skill comes entitlement. He is one of the best players in the world. He played the game for a long time to master it. All that stands between him and the wr is a random factor he cant control. So he takes a shortcut thinking it would be the same result but just with less work.

[@connorpayne2903]

This video aged like a fine wine, and not just a fine wine, but that top class stuff.

[@skullyeeters5305]

i thought the title said innocent or gay

[@tgnm9615]

@@skullyeeters5305 probably the latter based on his fan base (Dream X George)

[@MisterSwagify]

There were only two decent ways of handling this from the get-go: Either admit "Yeah, I cheated because I was frustrated with how ridiculously RNG-dependent this category is. Sorry, I won't do it again," or simply say "I know my luck was really insane. I didn't cheat, but I understand the moderators' conclusion and accept that they cannot verify my run." Instead, he called the mods "biased" for even investigating him while not addressing the actual reason they gave for doing so, acted as though his submitted run not being a WR time magically made it more legitimate, and even went as far as to ban people from his subreddit that accused him of cheating. Even on the virtually impossibly small chance he didn't cheat, the way he handled the situation was incredibly immature, and quite frankly, suspect at best.

[@xnadulxnadul7741]

He already did the second option you mentioned.

[@MisterSwagify]

@@xnadulxnadul7741 Yeah, too little too late. The issue was that instead of handling that way from the very beginning, he was constantly calling the mods' credibility into question, harassed them for removing his run, and indirectly encouraged his fanbase to harass them as a result. And in the end, the closest he could come to "I understand their decision" was basically "At this point I don't really care if the run is verified anymore, but here's why they're wrong and how far off their calculations were," while not even addressing the fact that he had his anonymous professional add in 5 additional streams from 2 months prior in a clear attempt to skew the data *after* complaining they didn't do enough to adjust for stoppage. His response video was filled with condescension towards the mods as well, basically saying "Well I know these guys are young and not exactly professionals" to attack their credibility instead of presenting any actual errors in their calculations. He also made it sound as though they were biasing the data *against* him when in reality all he was proving was that maybe they didn't bias it in his favor *as much as they possibly could have.* No matter how calm about the situation he is now, his response as a whole was a far cry from just saying "Yeah, I understand," and was still disingenuous at best. No matter how much better he does now and in the future, that doesn't mean he didn't handle it poorly for weeks on end.

[@QuokkaWaka]

I do agree that he handled it immaturely, and that he absolutely should be professional given his following, that's one of the responsibilities of a celebrity of any kind, due to their influence, though please do remember that he's only human and probably has a lot of stress on his shoulders. Either he is innocent, in which case him getting angry is very understandable, as he'd been publicly, falsely accused and couldn't really do anything to stop his reputation from taking a permanent blow, especially after talking to the mods to have a setup to prevent this exact thing from happening. Or he's guilty, in which case he probably should've seen it coming, though I still believe he has good reason to get mad. The mods made it way more public than it really should've been, probably knowing that even something so minor would be a big blow to his reputation. To be clear I'm not saying the mods are the "villains" or anything, nobody is perfect. And one last thing, he has a personal life and could be going through a bad time. The last thing anyone needs is either massive hate based on something wrong, or massive hate based on something insignificant. Please be nice, I know he's a grown man and this is the real world, etc. etc., but words are some of the most hurtful things in "the real world" and the shortcomings of others shouldn't be used as an excuse for your own shortcomings. (That wasn't to anyone in particular, btw, just anyone reading, and while I'm aware it isn't relevant to this conversation please consider it)

[@TIMETRAVELLERWIM]

@@lagc5103 Not a genuine apology because it still involves lying.

[@xenodotwav]

Couldn't have worded it better, fam. I too am a fan of Dream since the hunters were only George and Sapnap. Yes, I enjoy his content, but I totally agree with everything you said. I no longer care if he cheated or not because all sides claim to be right and I don't want to dig any further into this anymore. It's true that he handled this issue kinda poorly, whether he did cheat or not. He kinda didn't come off as legitimate with his defense, although he did re-arrange his defense and I give him props for that, no matter how late it is. That said, I just wish for the best for this issue and I'll just neutrally sit by here until a proper conclusion is reached.

[@consumerofbepsi5254]

"He's so good why would he need to cheat?" *flashbacks to doom cheaters vid*

[@stodgycone5849]

Lol that guy made a novel explaining why even thinking that he cheated was ultra dumb

[@exterminator9676]

billy mitchel and other guy todd rodger

[@kiza84]

i was thinking te same lmfaoooooo

[@bruhmomentlol715]

@@stodgycone5849 bro i think i know who you're talking about, i have the entire copypasta of it too lmao

[@qwe.2739]

You humour me greatly with your arrogance and contempt, a flood of accusations born from the poison of envy and smite of disrespect. I feel both disappointment and flattery these thoughts would originate from another player who has demonstrated one of a kind talent and has accomplished the impossible, yet is apparently immune from judgement owing to their reputation, do not think your words hold more credibility just because of who you are, being more well known and what you have accomplished in breaking world records and setting ones never previously accomplished, such as with TNT and Plutonia Nightmare. With that being said I will divulge my thoughts on the serious accusations you have set forth. I won't address the individual gameplay scenarios you've highlighted, as the foundation of your argument arises from jealously, this is clear when you contrast my success with your failure, being deluded into thinking you should have surpassed these trials yet cannot absolutely comprehend how someone else can claim victory on a consistent basis, instead I will address my playing ability. You know nothing about who I am or my history with this game, I am exceptionally talented not only at Doom, but other oldschool FPS along with videogames in general. I make speedruns and partake in Ironman out of passion for the game, it is a personal challenge in testing my playing ability to overcome arduous odds, I play for fun, it's about me vs the game and I hold no strong competitive urge or desire to be known as the best, reputation and status are not important to me but having fun is essential. Are you serious when you can't believe someone can beat an Ironman consistently? It's just playing the game without saving or loading, do you not have a fundamental understanding of the core gameplay and how to the play game correctly? Am I the only one who can play aggressively, with an intuitive and innate ability to bend the game to their will and not panic when in a dire situation, but with tactical genius aware of my surroundings and dexterous reflexes can act in the heat of battle and overcome arduous odds? When you highlight cases of RNG, I honestly don't think about it that deeply, I'm confident in what I'm doing, I'll make a risky move and hold strong with faith. I laugh at your baseless accusations of slowdown in reference to Stardate, I'm sure other skilled players such as Mrzzul and Nevanos could playthrough Stardate casually withour prior practice or saving and get just as far. Also bear in mind that I have died in several Ironmans before, do you honestly think their was demo manipulation there? You also demonstrate your ignorance very clearly when you admit you haven't watched my Ironman demos in full, and by watching I do mean actually studying them and assessing each scenario, bearing in mind my experience and ability at Doom which is extradonary, not skipping to a random moment and making up fabrications based on your own failures thinking oh it's impossible, their is no way any player could accomplish that. I do make mistakes, sometimes crucial ones, this is also reflected if you studied my speedruns which are far from perfect and have flaws such as missing shots, awkward movement and poor dodging, however a key skill I have is not panicing when low on health or when the circumstance is dire. Well guess what, I'm one of a kind, no one can play the game like me, every talented player and speedrunner has their own strengths and weaknesses that make them stand out. I am deluded when you suggest someone must have prior knowledge to stand a chance of victory at Ironman. Well look at Demon of the Well, he's not a speedrunner but is known for making FDAs both blind and familiar, he has an exceptional ability at conquering maps on his first attempt, the most prominent example I can think of is rdwpa's MuMe.wad. Does that mean he cheats? Certainly not, he's a talented player who obviously has a high level of playing ability. You also have j4rio and 0xfooba who have accomplished amazing demos that haven't been set before, with the former tysons that should be impossible and the latter UV-Maxes on some the hardest maps devised and speedrun movies of Sunlust. So why would you think my speedruns are cheated, when their are fellow speedrunners who have demonstrated extraordinary playing ability, do not stream and have surpassed my demos? As I certainly have never accussed anyone else of cheating, but respect their accomplishment and admire their tenacity at conquering very hard maps and goals. I have not shown jealously or malice towards fellow speedrunners who have surpassed my demos but silently congratulate and admire their accomplishment, in some cases publicly such as when Ancalagon went back and re-ran Combat Shock in response to when I beat his old runs. I do not look at speedrunning with a competitive eye, thinking I must have the record and surpass my competitor, instead my view is a cooperative one, it's us speedrunners against the game, building on one another's ideas and talent when a new record is set, complementing each other's unique strengths and weaknesses. My question would be why are you accusing and targetting me specifically? I can see from the depths of your arrogance, you believe with absolute certainty you are correct and I must be a cheater with any form of rebuttal being null and void. Well let me state clearly I have nothing to gain, why would I cheat at Ironman when I have pubically stated previously I do not care about winning or if a fellow player surpasses me, this is just fun to me. For speedruns, what would be the purpose in cheating as it's a personal challenge to me, I want to demonstrate to myself I've got the skill and talent to conquer very hard maps, it's about me against the game and I don't feel jealously at a fellow speedrunner who has beaten my record. I make speedruns out of passion and love for the game and not for admiration or self flattery, as long as Andy accepts the demo for DSDA that's all I care about. I am not going to stream as I do not care for an audience and am not influenced by the accusations of an envious stranger. I only streamed briefly for a short time in the past out of curiosity, but it does not interest me nor do I feel passion for it. I haven't watched Twitch in over a year, I was drawn to it in my spare time during the short period prior to my first full time job after finishing my studies. My life has changed a lot in the past two years and their are far more important aspects in life which draw my attention, I have little free time as well. Also you must be very self-conscious if you honestly think one has to stream their demo to demonstrate they aren't cheating, that just indicates your disrespect and distrust towards other players with exceptional playing ability, you'll never be a talented survivalist like me :) Let me make it clear I don't give a damn what you or anyone else thinks of me, when I am passionate about a subject I will speak my mind truthfully even if it means being brash at times, both online and in real life, I won't be intimidated by anyone and will confront them with assertion and confidence. I'm here for fun, making speedruns and commenting on subjects once in a while which capture my eye. Thank you for revealing your true colors, seething with jealously and enveloped by arrogance, you've lost what respect I had for you. If you've come to your senses you will offer an apology, take a good luck in the mirror before you make such a disgusting accusation against a fellow Doom player, who has not caused strife and discord but shows humility and respect with a care free attitude, or will you continue this charade and repeat history, replicating the case of Okuplok? If you do continue to accuse, it will be solely for my amusement as I will not take you seriously and will likely ignore you. Choose wisely. - BlooditeKrypto

[@SovietYugoslav]

The funniest thing is that dream deleted his response video because he knew he was wrong lmao

[@rayanmalik5744]

its cause he's innocent, see he knows he doesn't need to prove his innocence, his innocence is clear in his honest, soft eyes and his roguish voice

[@SovietYugoslav]

@@rayanmalik5744 pls tell me your trolling, if not, stfu stan

[@rayanmalik5744]

@@SovietYugoslav b r u h how can you read that and think i'm serious

[@ren5689]

@@rayanmalik5744again, don't expect people to know that its a sarcasm

[@ren5689]

@@rayanmalik5744 thru text

[@bootsdotexe]

It's not even the fact that he cheated that pisses me off. It's the fact that he vehemently defends his run with all this "proof", calling the people who rightfully call him out as clout-chasers, and not even lifting a finger to even TRY to prevent his rabid fans from harassing and hunting down critics. If he had just came out and said "yeah I cheated, made the run for entertainment" and apologized, that would've literally been it. Yeah he'd lose credibility for past and future speedruns, but at least he'd be honest and the situation would've blown over much quicker. He would most definitely fuck up his speedrunning career, but he'd in the very least be honest. Best case scenario he just wouldn't have cheated at all, but since he most definitely did, the least he could to is step up, apologize and tell his stans to drop it. But no, banning the words Karl Jobst in his comment section, blocking out/letting his fans harass anyone trying to disprove him and going completely radio silent in his own little bubble and calling people clout chasers on his way out is totally the way to go. But the guy doesn't gain anything from apologizing and he most definitely knows that. By ignoring this entire situation it'll fade into obscurity which is what he believes is the best option, because him responding is a huge draw to attention to the whole thing, clearly not what he wants since he knows he fucked up and he knows what will happen if he responds. But that's a double-edged sword, since it also means the people who don't support him will forever hold this over his head and this will follow him for the rest of his career, unspoken but never gone. But let's be real. His audience is kids. they're kids that don't know any better, kids that idolize him to an unsettling degree. If he told them the truth, they wouldn't care because they love him. That's what feels the most gross, knowing your fanbase is young and impressionable to the point that you know you'll get away with anything, specifically deceit and manipulation. But as long as he gets that ad revenue, who cares. Certainly not Dream, lol.

[@coastalbeaches7181]

What's more awful is that a few months prior he caught a speed runner 'Drem' cheating. He did indeed cheat in his speed run and because Dream caught him of cheating, half his obsessive fans just went over and sent that mans hate, and ruined basically his whole KZbin career. ...and then a few months later Dream is officially accused of cheating his Speedruns and is a frickin hypocrite but his subscriber count has only really grown and the speedrunning controversy probably only got him more views and made him more widely known on the platform.

[@Kardamitiano]

It would be better if he said nothing at all.

[@mozzen3517]

This is the most underrated comment on KZbin I have ever seen. This is the comment I was looking for. It describes the whole entire situation.

[@kylexdxdxdxdd8490]

@@coastalbeaches7181 another thing, dream actually said in one of his twitch streams to not harass drem at all, but his stans still acted otherwise

[@majinkebab6879]

Pure. Facts.

[@sheppin_]

Ah, I see. So for this whole time I’ve been misunderstanding the accusation. I thought that they accused him because he got lucky just ONCE, on one singular speed run, but in reality it was because he was getting lucky on a regular basis, on multiple runs.

[@freds_chess]

Yep

[@NakazoraGen]

Same. I will admit, I don't care too much about the speedrun side of things, as I just watch stuff on KZbin to watch stuff on KZbin. But hearing about this, it also seemed to be painted as ONE run. Knowing it was MANY that were looked at makes it a lot more damning.

[@kikag13]

I am a dream fan, I enjoy his videos but I'm not a Stan and I will never be for anyone (I hope) and I thought the same, and I was really unsure if he did cheat or not cuz I thought it was just once and when you do one in many experiences, you can get luck sometimes. But now that I've seen this comment I now can understand that he definitely cheated and it's so sad because I like his videos a lot he is that youtuber that you watch and you laugh so hard and I'm so sad to hear about it. At least I still got Tommy and tubbo and others to enjoy, but I will enjoy dream's content, I'm just not gonna give so much attention and I was not giving either because there is so many things to watch on KZbin and other social medias lol

[@freds_chess]

@@envymyash lmao Fun fact: lie detectors dont even work. (that is not a joke)

[@Captain_Willlow]

@@envymyash Lie detector tests just don't work, they barely accurately diagnose something as a lie less than 20% of the time. All they test for is symptoms of lying, like elevated heartbeat, if you can just remain calm and not get nervous or excited, even saying something obviously false, the test will say you didn't lie.

[@anon_5513]

In my opinion, if dream wants to modify the game to his benefit for better content, thats completly 100% fine. If he tries to pass it off as a legitimate speedrun, it isnt fine.

[@colehanna4040]

Yeah exactly. Its so disrespectful to the other speedrunners who are grinding away for these times legit. Completely destroys the sanctity of the competition. I think everyone at some point has gone into creative mode and given themselves an inventory full of diamonds than switched back to survival. But it's so insulting to do that and say it's legit because it shows he thinks his fans are too stupid to know better.

[@thomasmathew13]

Agree. Hell, any minecraft video out there is scripted in some way or given items at some point while off cam. It's all about the content.

[@ShadowWizard666]

I never though about it that way. Thank you

[@peytondooley2031]

@@thomasmathew13 u can watch his full unedited manhunt lmao

[@tristanholdsworth2762]

@@peytondooley2031 that does not mean it was not scripted

[@RamrodAI]

When accused cheaters respond with hostility it's almost always a damning thing. Whether they try to make fun of you, say that you suck, call you an idiot...it doesn't help matters. It only makes things worse. It's not definitive proof that someone cheated but it gives a glimpse into the person's personality. Especially since people are "free to be what they are" on the internet. One example, not to toot my own horn, was that I played Command and Conquer Renegade for 10 years and I was accused over 1400+ times of cheating from 1000+ different people. But I was never malicious in my responses. I simply stated that I didn't cheat and that I could provide screenshots or videos or even be tested during gameplay. The lesson? If you're accused of cheating then don't be a dick about it. You may not have cheated but you've proven yourself to be a dickhead in real life.

[@Maximus-uv6tr]

Totally agree, Dream's response with his initial angry rant came off to me as "Oh crap they caught me."

[@zgossara5361]

Damn respect

[@oldmanconsequences5872]

Wow... That's actually really profound

[@snowydayssduhh9771]

Wow an actual comment that makes sense and not dumb rambling or arguing back n forth😂

[@HeaDStrongTerran]

Disagree. The guilty when accused already know they are in the wrong so often they end up trying to talk their way out of it. When the innocent are accused it's a direct insult and they feel wronged so they will often act more aggressively and be more confrontational because of the injustice. It ofc depends who accuses you. If you beat some scrub and he calls you a cheat you feel flattered so you might mock them or be gracious. If someone is accused and deemed a cheat by authorities it's a completely different scenario. It's just that we don't see that many serious actions taken against the innocent. However, if you look at criminal cases where someone innocent is being accused they will often strike back at the accusations much more than the guilty.

[@killdude4287]

Well. Dream just admitted of cheating on "accident"

[@TheTundraTerror]

Whoops, I "accidently" impregnated my sister!

[@deadtrex]

@@TheTundraTerror whoops, I accidentally kissed a guy after asking to kiss him!

[@muhammadsoleh4725]

@@TheTundraTerror sus

[@JackTheripper911]

@@TheTundraTerror *Sweet home Alabama playing on banjos in the distance*

[@maapauu4282]

I get that. I, too, always accidentally cheat on exams

[@ModernAtomX]

Honestly, huge respect to the Minecraft speedrunning mod team. The huge effort put forth that was above and beyond what was required of them in order to keep the community clean.

[@valerienotfound3898]

Shut up 😁

[@Ayprr]

@@valerienotfound3898 you shut up he just stated the truth

[@huvarda]

@@valerienotfound3898 found the dream stan

[@azzazz430]

ah after they yelled at each other to finish faster, duh

[@morbidlyobesecat7829]

@@valerienotfound3898 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHSHSHAHAHAG im legit crying right now at your comments in this channel, get off here dream Stan, he cheated that's it, your God cheated and is no longer a God. Thanks to you my stomach hurts from how much I laughed at you lmaooo

[@80greaty]

Dream on reddit: "You can look into the astrophysicist's credentials," while providing no credentials

[@PlacidSine]

Astrophysicist? bruh this guy playing Minecraft in space

[@Bladieblah]

I've seen people saying it's in the document dream provided, it's a harvard graduate working at a company. The company is fairly recent which people found suspicious

[@MmatriX-]

@@Bladieblah yeah only made in 2011 lmao

[@charliecampbell6851]

@@Bladieblah he also did shit math, which most people would find suspicious.

[@LunizIsGlacey]

Lol since when are astrophysics and videogame probability the same thing? Even if that astrophysicist is a highly professional one, wouldn't it make more sense to hire eg a professional statistician/programmer or something?!

[@GrandMasterBruh]

This is his most disliked video and it’s all factual, gotta love Dream’s unwillingness to call out his toxic stans :|

[@ShauryaHallow]

he released a whole ass list of his boundaries with a whole paragraph about harassment and hate on his behalf is not right, and he will block, any of his stans who do this(which he is doing).

[@staringcorgi6475]

@@ShauryaHallow his fanbase is too low leveled to read

[@ShauryaHallow]

@@staringcorgi6475 nah fam everyone has read it now and stans accounts are rapidly going private, he is blocking some that appear on his timeline, pepple have started mass reporting stan accounts too, toxicity has gone down by a lot since he released that, and he only ever released that like a week ago

[@firespark0774]

He didn’t cheat, he had wayward compass equip- oh wait. Wrong game.

[@comicalsans4087]

Charms in Minecraft be like.

[@Tora1987]

I see you thread through the path of pain

[@RichConnerGMN]

that's just f3 my guy

[@TheChaotix14]

“Players don’t cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time, faster.” And this is why most speed runs, even world records, are pretty much always slower than the 'sum of best segments', getting one lucky segment or performing it flawlessly isn't too hard for the speedrunners, but getting 20+ segments absolutely perfectly even without RNG to take an absolute dump on your attempts... Yeah, that's tough as nails and will require loads and loads of time to achieve even after acquiring the skills to do so.

[@erikburzinski8248]

We should make a speed running category where drop rates are allowed to be altered. As I think that whould significant lower the ammount of cheating in speed runs

[@alexgrady5869]

@@erikburzinski8248 nah

[@DempseyDaPro]

every world record is slower than sum of best bro lol

[@spiritbx1337]

That's the thing, he could have not posted the run as legit and just said that he messed with the numbers to make the grind less long and boring, but he didn't, he pretended it was legit. It would make sense that his manhunt videos or w/e had better odds, since no one wants to watch someone waste a bunch of time on RNG, those videos are made with entertainment in mind, so the legitimacy of them don't matter, but if you are going to claim that a run is legit, then that's different, that has intent to deceive and ruins your integrity.

[@michaelguenot6177]

@@erikburzinski8248 there’s already a fixed seed category of Minecraft speed runs for this purpose. In any event one of the points of speed running is that you need to be good enough AND consistent enough that when the good RNG comes by, you don’t choke. It’s part of managing your nerves, and it’s what makes the discipline so exciting.

[@tobyk5091]

So this is basically the Minecraft Speedrunner vs Mod Team FINALE

[@theeternalshine1721]

Minecraft Speedrunner vs Statisticians FINALE REMATCH REMATCH (again)

[@doomedshadow7501]

In this video. I try to speed run mincraft (modified) with the whole speedrun community trying to kill me. Will I kill the ender dragon or will I die to the community. Let's find out.

[@Thomas-rw5wx]

Also only a small percentage of the world is subscribed plz subscribe

[@charlieanderson5490]

@steve yakuza +r/statistics

[@abhinandanpatil8168]

Put speedrunner in quotes @Toby knecht

[@downnnnnn]

Update - dream admitted to cheating on his Twitter this morning.

[@sejadjasem3706]

really

[@marsbars2633]

@@sejadjasem3706 yeah

[@alexad7570]

anyone who think dream did not cheat is 12 years old or younger. like seriously.....

[@alex2005z]

@Bruh Meme maybe they think that the ods were done wrong. Tbh thats what I thought before watching dreams "defense" video.

[@xyzzy1692]

Hey, 10-12 year olds aren't so stupid they wouldn't understand that dream cheated. I can say this as a former 12 year old.

[@BigCoomer1928]

lol im 11 and this is stupid like he OBVIOUSLY cheated nobody is that dumb I mean ofc without stans

[@BigCoomer1928]

@@xyzzy1692 im 11 and im glad you said that kinda tired of being called a idiot over and over

[@bradyking9778]

Except that one person I found who "Is 30 years old and makes more in 3 months than you, your mom and Dad combined."

[@xANNYMUS_MLNx]

I think the blazes and piglins were Dream stans

[@BlankedOutSlate]

No I think RNGesus was the Stan himself

[@notclickbait3172]

Man that should have more likes

[@yellowtitan6040]

underrated comment

[@scanbbb]

Stolen.

[@agusmohamad8572]

Lol

[@SaltyRamen.]

“Players don’t cheat to get a faster time, but to get a time faster.” You are the legend, Karl

[@bagua465]

Amazing quote

[@Fain255]

Indeed

[@arandominternetuser4507]

Can someone please explain this quote, I only undrrstand a bit of it

[@daedrascrolls]

@@arandominternetuser4507 It means that the speedrunner knows that he can get a faster time if they would have better luck. So they cheat to get rid of the rng aspect.

[@Fain255]

@@arandominternetuser4507 I think it means that speedrunners cheat not necessarily to get better time, but to get that time earlier in their careers and skip the grind, since they know they had the skill to eventually reach said record someday.

[@bigpossible1309]

Dream stans must feel really dumb right now......

[@58209]

they're to busy nursing dream's feelings and forgiving him for "making a mistake" while ignoring dream's chronic lying and manipulation and weaponizing his rabid followers

[@bigpossible1309]

@@58209 ye bro agreed

[@vachan-maker]

Lmao

[@ChristinaMagma]

They’re too busy forgiving him , all they can say now is “it’s just a block game” when before it was “he would never cheat”

[@isuckatmakinghandles]

@@58209 they are feeding dream with their milk

[@promelone2880]

Reading the comments now with 100% proof of a illegitimate speed-run is hilarious.

[@Valthe50Cal]

I can see “Dream luck” now becoming a meme term to describe someone who got crazy lucky at something

[@iCrimzon]

Itll catch on, dont worry

[@semisemicoloncolon]

There are already a bunch of memes about him just getting lucky so I wouldn’t be surprised lmao

[@spooky8692]

There’s already memes like “Dream going outside but getting thunder stormed repeatedly due to his luck”

[@hafidzwibowo]

minecraft 1.16 dream% incoming

[@AA-lz4wq]

New trope?

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

When the Avengers have a way better chance in beating Thanos than this

[@jankaboy583]

Lol

[@williamdavila7240]

waiting for the likes

[@f.b.i.853]

The avengers just won because Dr Strange cheated I think we should deem that timeline as illegitimate

[@scoutnova9213]

@@f.b.i.853 I agree shut it down.

[@sheepsheep2617]

.

[@WomanSlayer69420]

POV: You're here because Dream admitted to cheating recently.

[@Ant509y]

More like "back here". I watched this video the first time months ago. Good to be back!

[@everythingisalright2549]

It’s pretty obvious at this point yall

[@rogan4338]

I can't believe how many people are still denying it.

[@joaquincasascortes624]

@@rogan4338 dream stans are delusional. They think that Dream is without flaws, which clearly isn't true. The guy is rash on making decisions, manipulative, a compulsive liar, drama maker, and more. He is so alike to Keemstar, I swear to god. The more I think about it and see Keems content cop/Dream cheating scandal that I connect the dots.

[@rogan4338]

@@joaquincasascortes624 Yeah. Sorting by new in videos like this I've seen what they have to say and they're so mentally blind it's a little creepy. When you're so fiercely loyal to an imperfect person then that's a dangerous way of thinking.

[@Vorazun]

Not obvious for 7 year olds who are struggling with the most basic math ever.

[@JordanHJ]

Dream's response is basically that one scene in Dumb and Dumber when Lloyd is told his chances with the girl are one in a million. 'So you're telling me there's a chance?'

[@Potatox1998]

😂😂😂

[@smokigaming4915]

Omg I watched that movie over 50 times no joke

[@freindlyspicerun4424]

I quote "so you mean there's a chance" far too much for my own sake

[@theq6797]

LOL, something can happen or something can't happen. There is no middle ground. Even in simple game like Can't Stop one can see how lucky people can be.

[@theidiotofentireexistence3170]

or something like "here is smart person he says you are wrong now go away stupid"

[@maskkid]

When Karl Jobst finds you cheating in a speedrun, you know you're fried.

[@Lightna]

I wouldn't say Karl is the definitive authority on it, just one that we know of that does his best to break it down for us given the complexities speed running can entail. With that in mind I don't really know anyone else that does it in that way.

[@Faux_Sunlight]

If dream stans and flat earthers team up, they could end humanity

[@MatthewB367]

mixed with 3am youtubers and life hack videos

[@riolu3080]

And also rickrollers

[@bradyking9778]

Don't let twitter see this comment

[@captainducktape689]

@@bradyking9778 yeah, literally just twitter can end humanity

[@dema636]

@@riolu3080 Rickrollers are gamers, we have The Tekkit Realm.