The Biggest Flop in Gaming History - $300 Million, 8 Years Wasted.

[@eticket48]

A fly outlived concord.

[@iconofsin4578]

Bzzz Bzzz 🪰

[@Turian_Hustle]

You stole that comment from Ctitikals video lol

[@Hawk-Eye-bs2hr]

The Concord outlived concord.

[@homiewithanextrachromie5970]

Thats a true roasting 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mix7893]

@@Hawk-Eye-bs2hr This one flew over many people's heads... 😏

[@dearcastiel4667]

The fact there is absolutly 0 artwork of Concord on R34 proves it's not just "Overwatch with a $40 price tag". The characters are so ugly nobody even wants to lewd them...

[@meurumtrain4747]

I’m sure there’s some😂

[@dearcastiel4667]

@@meurumtrain4747 I checked yesterday and there was a grand total of 11 entries, 7 of them being variations of the same character in the same pose by the same author. Overwatch is currently sitting at 111 751 artworks, there's so much Overwatch r34 that most people don't even remember Tracer is supposed to be lesbian...

[@a_zula1]

One hell of a way to gauge collective interest in a video game but go off

[@XhoiZhuleku]

"if it exists, there's porn for it" even r34 doesn't wanna recognize this complete flop😂

[@A_Productions]

@@dearcastiel4667 are you ok?

[@beerman5665]

The dev should have listened to the "talentless freaks" it seems

[@halonostalgiatheater7440]

they have an...interesting bio. Also they locked their account out of embarrassment

[@iratepirate3896]

The 41%er devs managed to get 8 years of $100k salaries. They're laughing at Sony

[@CargoShorts7]

What a wild thing to say from that dev lol. Bro could be talking to a killer musician, or artist or athlete or someone who's very talented, just not in game design

[@ArbitraryZer0101]

Ain't the devs fault, it's whoever higher management idiots who wanted them to make this. When will ppl brains catch up to how business works?

[@cosinesinetangent7440]

Not tooooo wild homie they trash​@@CargoShorts7

[@bigmack70]

The live service bubble has popped.

[@darkspark5854]

It better have

[@96Madden09]

The 40 dollar live service bubble has. The one that Sony created and then popped in less than a week. It didn't work as there are already so many good quality free to play shooter experiences out there and didn't offer anything new.

[@hatchetman3662]

I hope so. So tired of it.

[@onobonono]

Hard to say that when f2p games are raking in billions from live service.

[@brianwalsh1339]

Thank fucking God.

[@slick604.]

All I hear is the CE: Elites Laughing 😅

[@asiberiantiger188]

Mobsey?

[@JorgeRincon-bs9es]

Wort wort wort

[@DjGalvanic]

@@JorgeRincon-bs9eswort wort wort

[@brutalschel]

Ooooh wabudaaaahh

[@268_3]

**Shoots corpse**

[@JuiceboxCE]

Corporations are so desperate for money, but then INSIST on ignoring the very open discussion created by those who ARE their audience speaking on what does and does not work. Why would you gamble away success when we have a track record of what happens when devs get their way, vs when stockholders and management do? Remember how Cliff needed to argue with Microsoft to let him include the chainsaw lancer in Gears, or Halo's many community-driven designs over profit first? Publishers get their way, and by that I mean releasing out of touch garbage that everyone openly doesn't want.

[@Zilchness]

I think. These companies Devs don't realize 1 thing. These big box gaming companies have become straight up psyop missions to drive ppl to get upset. Instead they want more stockholders to line their pockets bot realizing what those stockholders intention/goals are nor the history of said stockholders. It's sad. They are getting the younger gamers upset over things they don't even socially have any background/ knowledge into politricks. Just to make un-intended social divide. We all escape that b.s by gaming.... stop pumping stockholders money into the influence of a good game.

[@Wildgamer2205]

cue Sony vs Helldivers 2 drama

[@Kjllo1216]

They do this so they can comply with the Blackrock banks, unfortunately this has lead to infinite funds along with increasing inflation. We have also heard that the Canadian government has been funding game design like Concord, I would believe that Americas current administration was doing this as well, kinda like the EV vehicle production. It probably should be unconstitutional to force companies to have to comply with a banking company that is trying to “force behaviors”.

[@305backup]

This is why investors suck. The devs think all their money comes from investors and they only think about "how do we milk the consumer" which only works if your consumers are addicted like say Destiny players. Since it's a new franchise they don't realize they need to give people an excuse to waste money. Overwatch is free that's an excuse to waste money. Diablo has replay ability and is a franchise with established lore, that's a reason to waste money. They forgot they have to hook the fish first before they can reel it in.

[@cjh.1920]

To sum it up, they don’t care about you or anyone in the audience frankly. Similar to Hollywood, the executives paying for these games believe they know what people want off of the merit that they have the money, but there in lies the problem. The oligarchs funding these projects don’t actually care about them, they only care about ‘green line go up’. That’s why IPs that everyone likes are being creatively strip mined. It’s a bunch of out-of-touch and elitist trust fund kids with contempt for general audiences that are ruining the entertainment industry.

[@TheLocdizzle]

I have no desire to play as 20 different versions of Rosie O'Donnell.

[@mitsuhed]

😂😂

[@chriswihulu]

Gonna find some way to use this quote, it hits hard as f!

[@bobrob8839]

Why is it that I’ve heard absolutely nothing about this game? Haven’t even seen any footage.

[@sanchezs7614]

Because it's a woke trash game

[@krayy_owo]

@@sanchezs7614 yeah screw the wokies!!!

[@Treclomer]

​@sanchezs7614 how is the game woke?

[@Autmrane]

Imagine Overwatch but without any character or life behind the eyes

[@Espartanica]

​@@TreclomerThey prioritized pronouns and inclusivity over good character designs and drawing in a playerbase

[@cassiushellsin6243]

If “toxic positivity” was a game. What a milestone in gaming failures, and that’s saying something.

[@Shredder1400]

This game did worse than Redfall and The Day Before, a literal scam.

[@Gaffywastaken]

It already is a game, it's called Sea of Thieves.

[@DarkCloud3000]

@@Gaffywastaken What about Sea of Thieves?

[@Gaffywastaken]

@@DarkCloud3000 The game is infested with bugs and cheaters that the devs + community managers act as though they don't exist while they harass streamers on a daily. Their version of EAC has been breached that these cheaters have found a way to ban people themselves, the game is not safe and people are ignoring major problems.

[@Ace_2O2]

I swear to god, those Crazy people saying that gaming is starting to host money laundering schemes are starting to seem more and more true with every new, obviously garbage, game coming out.

[@Zilchness]

The crazier part our gov revealed there's spies here pushing the "Dei" agenda. Wonder why? Let's see.... gaming big money market. Who has most players....in a country for online service (obviously we know who) and let's say.... we create hatred in other places so we can assure our market is STRONG. That's the real issue at hand. No one will say it out loud though

[@Ms.JeanJacket]

Money laundering is pretty common, just not pointed out because what are we gonna do? Once you see a pattern of it happening in the field/industry you like and you’re finally done letting it slide, you’ll see some legitimately plausible things. It’s a pipeline. Investors (don’t have to be named in order to fund/they don’t have to have their names in credits or production) > Frontmen (gaming companies and their higher ranks) > Devs (Backend). Investors tell the front men what to do or what they want to see done to make more money (microtransactions) Frontmen get a piece if they’re well-acquainted with an investor. Normally it’s a need to know. Most frontmen don’t “need” to “know”. Do what they’re told and have the freedom of how they tell people what they’re working on and why they’re doing it that way. Devs themselves on the backend, are the ones making the product/cutting the pure content with filler bs, and even cancelling what should’ve been in the game from the start as “seasonal” unlockables. Or even “Operations”. 🤪 Happens in the film industry, music industry, game industry, food industry, it’s not a weird conspiracy, it’s just a fact that it happens more than people care to look into or admit. If you’re a gamer, you’re itching for a new game. Some (not all) dont care where it comes from or how it’s cut. Some need: enjoyment distraction, pain numbing, etc. Gamers get mad but keep going back to the source of what made them mad, hoping the source flips and becomes worth the chase. Like drugs. They have exploited people’s desires, laced them with upselling and fomo. Maybe I have a different perspective. I grew up seeing these practices done in all of these industries. If anyone is skeptical, just genuinely do some research on your own. Things to search to research if interested: business practice patterns across industries, predatory practices, exploitative capitalism in the gaming industry, content gating and collusion. overall not representative of the entire industry but don’t let these companies slide just because they’re not outright saying it.

[@Ace_2O2]

@@Ms.JeanJacket Damn bro. This is so well phrased and explained that it makes me believe YOU are running a money laundering scheme!

[@Bagginsess]

lol this was a propaganda scheme not a money scheme.

[@Ace_2O2]

@@Bagginsess why not both?

[@adaptcap115]

When you realize The Day Before has more player than Concord before shutdown.

[@AizenShisuke]

That was the weird survival game with will Smith right? Lol totally forgot about that

[@cluner24]

@@AizenShisuke no that’s a mobile game I’m pretty sure

[@MitchCyan]

Wouldn’t it have been easier to just set fire to a big pile of money?

[@Hcanteatthis]

If they streamed it, Microsoft might of made more money from that than the actual game

[@jacobbecklehimer7781]

@@HcanteatthisSony, but your heart is in the right place.

[@b3ndyplays]

Finally, someone taking the gold medal from 343!

[@cayde7207]

Nah, Halo has taken a massive dip for sure but the blunders they made pale in comparison to Red Fall, Anthem, Skull & Bones, SW: Outlaws, Beyond Good and Evil, Psychonauts etc… I could go on but I won’t.

[@MF-rtard89]

​@@cayde7207please go on, I have not come yet

[@BeholdMyStrength]

Isn't this where the "Get woke, go broke" phrase would be appropriate? Game went completely bust due to trying to pander, and I love it.

[@OmniNexuz]

We saw Concord announced, released, & fall before GTA6 releasing.

[@Zilchness]

B4, even any news for gta6, even honestly dropped for any good teasers for it.

[@Kjllo1216]

Umm, that slop is next lol. That games reeks of the same garbage that concord had.

[@TheMAZZTer]

@@Kjllo1216 They're completely different genres? And GTA is a well-established franchise so it has an advantage. GTA Online still receives regular content updates. They apparently can't stop the cheaters but they have a real chance with GTA6 to fix the underlying design problems that prevented this in GTAO. I guess we'll see if they do.

[@Kjllo1216]

​@@TheMAZZTer No, GTA online does. GTA 6 is gonna be slop.

[@TheMAZZTer]

​@@Kjllo1216​I don't think there's enough details out yet to make that determination, personally. All I know is I enjoyed my time with GTAV, so Rockstar has a good chance of making a good sequel. We'll see.

[@marcolima89]

- I was put into service eight years ago... - Eight years? - Developers deteriorate after 7 chief

[@briand1337]

A hero shooter without heroes. Who could have possibly foreseen this failure?! Character design matters.

[@Holmz777]

Concord's so bad looking Mint's best option for the thumbnail was the Playstation logo...

[@Halo1138]

Overwatch and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[@aydencahoon6557]

But the porn is a plus

[@j-beargaming4852]

It's funny. I don't know why, but in my honest opinion, big companies such as Microsoft and Sony do not like it when their consumer is right, they do not like customer control. I wouldn't be surprised if when all of their games start flopping, instead of improving new games, they just say: "We don't think video games are very lucrative, they're not making enough money", and then they just switch markets and stop making games. Lol

[@goobot1]

Sony has been slowly crumbling as a company so I don’t think that they will but I can absolutely see Microsoft do that

[@nickm5419]

Microsoft renamed XBL as Xbox Network..yeah nah go FUCK yourself microsoft; imma ALWAYS call it XBOX LIVE.

[@techspec2551]

That speedrunners website should document this as "shut down servers any%" speedrun.

[@dmomintz]

Never, ever cater to the fictional, "modern audience".

[@wmv8996]

Doom 2016 getting a 7 is an absolute joke.

[@Lycan3303]

IGN gave Concord a 7 while also giving Alien Isolation(one of the greatest horror games ever made) a 5 ..... IGN is a joke

[@minthiha8445]

image how embarrassed sony is

[@hobbtimus]

They shouldve seen it coming, there's no way they let them spend 8 freaking years on that, thinking "this is the shit people want!" In other words, nothing but well deserved

[@Yokonato]

Seeing the price of Ps5 pro they dont care and its about making money back now.

[@Ax9005]

Kramer- Its a write off. All these big companies, they write everything off. Jerry - but you dont even know what a write off is Kramer - they do, and theyre the ones writing it off.

[@TheBoss.-tq2vm]

Kromer

[@absentstars474]

I love his stand up routine.

[@CaptainClark23]

This feels a bit more like the infamous laugh factory bit tbh.

[@CubesAndPortals]

2:37 if players actually wanted innovation, THE FINALS would be the biggest game in the FPS space.

[@saricubra2867]

Do these investors believe that money falls from trees as many politicians do?

[@vvraithz]

Just really hoping the Bethesda/Microsoft doesn’t screw up Elder Scrolls 6.

[@DGP873]

Wait they will stop rereleasing skyrim?

[@qhu3878]

I dont have high hopes, especially after starfield, but we can pray

[@blodia-]

That is bound to happen in they dont update to a better engine

[@stickyfing3rs534]

I do just want to push back on the "graphics aren't that important" thing you said because they are when there's expectations to be met. I mean Infinite is the most recent example, that I remember, of when it was shown off people saying it didn't have next gen graphics. Battle bit and other games made by small studios don't need a focus on graphics because there's no expectations for the studios. But for either a Halo, CoD, Battlefield, or whatever kind of game from a well-known studio. There are going to be graphical expectations from players that they want met.

[@braxwhitney]

That response from the dev was so heinous

[@carloseduardopinto532]

And I thought the Halo franchise was in a bad situation. An least Halo HAVE a community, and a game who still have updates. Concord don’t have any of that.

[@blodia-]

Exactly, Halo has been going downhill for a while but atleast it has a solid fanbase who keeps the game alive

[@carloseduardopinto532]

@@blodia- And now Halo is on a new leadership. A leadership who already prove is more capable than the other one. I’m really think the Halo franchise is in good hands

[@spartanshadow90oficial]

that's what I was talking about, yeah we ain't exactly in a perfect spot, but.. just look around ya, it could be worse y'know

[@justvibingwithsomecheeseit3092]

​@@carloseduardopinto532They still hadn't fixed the hackers on the master chief collection, and they haven't fixed anything else. Let's not overpraise it.

[@williammcgrail9889]

This game almost looks like a ripoff of HALO, doesn’t it

[@BenFoster-cx4em]

this game failed because it was woke. not because it was live service.

[@tailormadeit2349]

The concord dev on Twitter hiding and charging 8 bucks to unhide comments on their posts is just icing on top of the cake for me 😂

[@sgtaveryjohnson3803]

Objective quality first. QUALITY FIRST

[@jordanHReid]

Love to see a massive company lose tons of money. Hate to see a bunch of developers lose their jobs because of bad management decisions.

[@meurumtrain4747]

Bad management decisions? Bullshit! These rainbow hair devs keep adding their nonsense into games and it turns out the gay audience doesn’t exist

[@westonsimmons561]

The devs did it to themselves y can't attack potential customers and you have to have some form of appeal this game had neither and the devs kept pulling the line

[@BobThe500]

seeing this game flop after a full release, when valves deadlock has over 100,000 concurrent players without even being out yet is insane

[@NeedlefishGames]

The power of competent studios

[@Bagginsess]

Ice Frog is a genius but valve is associated with sweet baby inc and one of the heroes pocket might be a transitory of the two "options" so here's hoping no more pro-pa--ghanda.

[@BobThe500]

@@Bagginsess NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEYRE ADDING NONBINARY TO MY GAME!!! NOOO OMY LIFE IS OVARRR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IM SO BALD AND DIVORCEDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@Bagginsess]

@@BobThe500 lol you're saying this on a video about concord a game that failed because of exactly that.

[@BobThe500]

@@Bagginsess it didnt fail because of LGBT characters being in it it failed because it sucked and didnt innovate, deadlock is wildly successful with LGBT characters in it because its a great game with tons of things to set it apart from other games in the Hero Shooter Genre

[@kostelec07]

The average wage of a game dev is really 130,000 USD ? 0:42

[@MintBlitz]

It is. Some are higher depending on where they’re located due to cost of living.

[@lefant0m3]

Aaaaand most are lower

[@scoobydoo4242]

@@lefant0m3it being the average means half are higher and half are lower.

[@tomw485]

@@scoobydoo4242False. Median means half are higher half are lower not average. If you had 10 game devs with 9 making 50k and 1 making 500k the average salary is 95k and you have 9 of the 10 devs making below average.

[@Black_Jazz]

I thought he was going to talk about the new operation in Halo infinite which was crazy because I thought this was a descent operation.

[@jfitz6517]

The modern AAA gaming industry is such a sad place to play…

[@ijz9278]

that cast of characters looks like traveling circus in space.

[@isaacfrand3824]

Well. At this point, literally everything I’m seeing is basically shouting “USE UNREAL ENGINE AND DO SOMETHING PEOPLE WILL LIKE!” The writing’s been on the wall for a while, and I have a few ideas that I just never acted on. So you know what, fine. Let me see what I can cook up…

[@Mctut123]

If you make it as a big developer will you remember this comment and give me hacks on your games???

[@YarugumaSou]

2:30 Doubt it. Gacha games and games like The First Descendant are still making bank. I can give you a couple of reasons why, but game journos won't approve.

[@tehziountrain8584]

A fly life is around 30 days let that sink in

[@fearthebubbajenkins]

This is what happens when you attack the player base for criticizing your game and deliberately make all the characters ugly AF to the point nobody wants to look at them.

[@MattWillPrior]

Maybe the publishers should be fired instead of the dev team being layed off for once

[@quinn8599]

Cause this shit is not sustainable, i dont know why companies dont realize it yet but infinite growth in profits for gaming is impossible and current busy models will cause the industry to crash and burn. why are they spending THAT much to make a game.. look at indie devs.. people who make BANGER games with basically the equivalent of pocket change. Companies need to stop doing this..

[@G1antPurpleHipp0]

This might be a hot take, but I want more walking simulator games. Firewatch, The Invincible, Subnautica, Still Wakes The Deep, etc. I can get behind a game that focuses on immersion and telling a good story

[@jittercritter]

Yeah a lot of games seem to focus too much on adding all the latest gaming trends together, which makes for a game that has too many unnecessary mechanics, characters, unnecessary/excessive clutter, etc. There needs to be more focus on a game having its *own* concrete identity, and love them or hate them, this is something the Walking Simulator genre seems to uniquely excel at. That’s actually something I mentioned to my sister when I was watching her play SWTD, I actually loved how limited the gameplay mechanics were. There was no identity conflict in that game whatsoever; it knew exactly what it was going for and freaking nailed it as a result. No weird, pointless crafting mechanics; no collectibles (unless you count the phone calls, but they actually enhanced to the experience and weren’t just there for the sake of it), no laundry list of near-impossible to get alternate endings, no health system or inventory… none of that. It’s just a creative, coherent and engaging experience. Games should not be checklists, but it seems like that’s how a lot of companies treat them.

[@G1antPurpleHipp0]

@jittercritter Well said. My first walking simulator was Firewatch, and at first, the idea of it seemed ridiculous to me. However, the art style, music, scenery, story, and sheer sense of tension, paranoia, and mystery left a massive impact on me. Since then, I'm always looking for new walking simulator to try. One thing I hate in video games is QTEs. They disrupt the flow of the gameplay, but SWTD implements it in a way that was natural and realistic, which I appreciated.

[@TheONE10X]

I don't get how this flop took 300 million to make. Nothing new was done. It's the same game that is already out there, but with much less substance. What did the money go into exactly?

[@yonderkentucky1966]

Why did you put a spartan in a thumbnail then put Sony in it if it’s about…. Sony?

[@davidl7813]

To get us all to click

[@Baconator984]

Would you have clicked if the thumbnail was of one of the ugly Concord characters? I wouldn't have.

[@MintBlitz]

@@Baconator984 this haha, it looked so bad

[@davidl7813]

@@Baconator984 lol fair enough.

[@matthewmagnani2915]

Ouch. Even as someone who never cared for PlayStation, I really feel for these hardworking developers. Really hope they recover from this. Also, good on you Remy for branching out.

[@tigeralbatros9432]

Yeah except the one who called the players (or gamers in generall) untalanted freaks. F that one.

[@matthewmagnani2915]

@@tigeralbatros9432 Agreed. 💯

[@meurumtrain4747]

Idc if any recover from this if any of them thought some decisions such as pronouns, every character being ugly etc.

[@sak-atWork]

@@meurumtrain4747 just realize that the decision for a lot of that to happen was not the actual developers' choice. even if they disagreed with it, quitting on a dime is very unplausible in this economy.

[@meurumtrain4747]

@@sak-atWork hmm fair enough, but I also don’t believe what you stated just now. I’ve seen the developers at some studios and a simple look at their appearance tells you all you need to know.

[@darrenpinard1658]

For a moment I was thinking “no wonder Concord flopped it was a Halo clone”…

[@bf5175]

Every time someone reports on this game, the budget gets bigger. I am sure the next video I see about it will say it was $400 million.

[@Zilchness]

Didn't it start with 200$ million? What's the REAL number at. this point

[@angryjoe98]

Just did the math if the studio is 200 people making around 100k a year the game cost 160 million in wages alone. Lets not forget that there at marketing costs, utilities, and software licenses, and executive travel and wages, benefits, food, the cost of printing disks, QA, HR, administration costs, renting the building, ect over 8 years…

[@commanderwyro4204]

@@Zilchness its gone from 100, 200 and now 300 million lol. the one ive seen most is 200 million and that sounds the most accurate. if the game was 100 mil. with marketing and all the other little things that probably racked it up close to 200 mil

[@harleyprosser210]

Mint is from Australia. All general reports are in USD. Mint is talking about AUD

[@bf5175]

@@harleyprosser210 Ah. He should have said dollarydoos then. 😛

[@morgboat744]

fuck em. seeing AAA companies go belly up is kinda nice because there are only a few that actually care about what they’re making

[@NotNykoh]

8 years on that game. Think about how different the world was 8 years ago

[@CargoShorts7]

LMFAOOO ign giving the game a 7/10 right as it is taken offline due to being a dumpster fire might be peak ign silliness. I don't know if we've ever seen a better example of their clownery

[@BuffdaddyJamal]

Corporations are NOT going to learn anything from this. The big publishers fund 10 of these games at a time and if even 1 of them is a decent success the rest don't matter.

[@DanteorGio]

Fortnite was the beginning of a horrible era for gaming. Microtransactions are everywhere now. When is it gonna get through their thick skulls that games need to be made to be played not suck money out of your wallet every chance they get.

[@nomadicstrength]

Seriously how is this not money laundering.

[@dreamplaystudio]

The halo infinite enemy glow ---> in multiplayer kills me. I just watched you snip 30 guys and the only reason you seen them is because they are glowing bright red. No hiding for a sec in this game. lol.

[@Mikefizzled]

Very disappointing video. The salary figure is absurdly inflated. Average is $91k but that's the traditional developer. Ignoring all the other jobs in the studio, there's absolutely no way they had a full production team of that size for the whole development. It's disingenuous to give the steam player count as if that's every one, despite being the presumably lesser selling platform. We complained when Infinite was getting grilled for low steam player count but then do the exact same thing when we're making a shock value video on the disaster that is Concord.

[@VINTAGE1959]

One thing some developers oddly forget about is that they'll say "I don't care if the fans want this or like this, this is what I/WE wanted to make and play.....Well you do realize that you're not an indie developer? You spent millions of dollars of other people's money to make what YOU want? It's not about you. It's about WHAT US GAMERS....THE PEOPLE GIVING YOU MONEY, ACTUALLY WANT!!!!!

[@illegalalien6542]

Let me save you all some time: Bloated budget, absurd development time, changing market, unoriginal idea, premium price tag. There I saved you all a video.

[@iwontreviveyouft2460]

Not to mention there isnt a SINGLE character that looks cool thats actually kind of impressive

[@CHKDG8]

5:03 Thank you @MintBlitz for the comment shoutout. Much respect.

[@Legal-104]

When you let non gamers make games, don't expect real gamers to buy your game

[@AbhishekSinghSambyal]

Sony might learn from this but not Microsoft.

[@mexifry222]

I don't feel bad for the dev's. They essentially sat around for 8 years collecting hefty software engineering checks. Soaking up that corporate money. All the passionate dev's had already left and moved onto projects they actually cared about.

[@Matt19076]

What keeps me playing a game: 1. Gameplay 2. uniqueness 3. Story/dialogue 4. art 5. graphics graphics are nice, but they don't do anything when it comes to retention. I might be blown away for the first couple hours, but after that I probably won't notice. Good art can be great though, a very unique setting might keep me engaged even if somewhat low quality.

[@wildbucko]

I'm studying game design right now, and it was explained to us the reason triple A companies never make new ideas, is due to the fact that they put in so much money into these projects that they can't take risks, so they have people to look at what performs well. They have a lot more people to pay. That is why indie studios are more favourable because they CAN take risks and they don't have any time restraints so they can take their time. Saying 8 years is too long I don't think is a valid argument as a lot of indie games can take up to 10 years. The difference is here that there are indie games made in 3 years that turned out better than this. I personally believe more time is better, but it does make you wonder what they were doing for those 8 years

[@burlyzulu]

Bro is clapping cheeks in this gameplay 😂

[@Markyparky56]

I think they'll try a F2P relaunch in like 6-9 months. Sunk cost fallacy and all that. But I can't even begin to imagine the morale issues within the team, having your game dragged so hard, knowing you're working on a dud, hoping against hope that the studio survives and you don't get canned.

[@Judgementkiryu]

I’ll try it if it’s F2P, the gunplay seemed alright. I do feel bad for the dev team

[@SG-fm9wd]

I kinda feel bad for some of the dev team because I know one of the devs that I've met in person. She's a nice person and I feel bad the project she helped work on became a fail and a joke to the internet.

[@NeightrixPrime]

Concord, Dustborn, and Outlaws in the same week. And people still want to pretend a particular thing isn't driving decisions within these companies.

[@blodia-]

You know its bad when even Halo focused channels are talking about how bad it was lol

[@mattp2524]

How does a hero shooter that introduces 0 new innovations to the genre take 8 years to make?

[@ORLY911]

budget bloat(personal theory, games bloated budget was an attempt at embezzlement) A lot of interference from Sony or investors.

[@BetaKrogoth]

I think people keep missing the point that the game wasn't fun or interesting to play. Yes, the heroes mostly looked god-awful, which is a massive issue. But beyond that, it was also just a bad game experience. I'm sorry, but nice gun animations and decent textures =/= a fun game experience. The hero kits themselves were painfully dry and devoid of ideas, there wasn't a single hero I liked when I tried the free beta on Steam. It was slow, lacked new ideas and already felt dated on release. The biggest reason people weren't playing it? It wasn't fun. It wasn't good. It wasn't a 7/10 game, Ign. It was a 4 at best. They made a bunch of heroes who were ugly and devoid of interesting game ideas, which in a HERO SHOOTER is a terrible idea. People are hungry for more hero shooters, I don't buy the idea that people are done with them. OW2 lost massive amounts of players because of its horrible execution and those players will happily jump ship. But the ship needs to be as good as OW, not significantly worse and less interesting.

[@jlb9577]

It's refreshing to see gamers taking the power back. Holding onto their cash until something actually worthwhile appears. These big corporations need to learn our money isn't theirs by default. Listen to your audience, or fail.

[@ZSTE]

Based on their language, they're probably going to rerelease it free to play

[@hung8969]

I keep seeing people say it was DEI, live service, price tag, design, levels, genre. But really this is a result of all the bad crap in the industry mixed up and crapped out into a product even the lowest of expectations couldn’t be met. Its poetic

[@aguy446]

Hot take: They let DEI devs tinker with a game for 8 years to get political points and create jobs. They then get an insurance kick back when it fails just like Hollywood does with movies

[@Smartyvoy]

You would think 8 years of development and several millions of dollars would result in something incredible and amazing but god dam how do you flop that badly?

[@TheJohnmurphy516]

lets be honest it probably wasnt really 8 years in the tube. just like anthem they probably start working on the concept 8 years ago but only really started doing the true work 1 1/2 years ago

[@TamalesDeRajas]

The “shorter life span than redfall” comparison doesn’t really work because redfall hasn’t been taken offline. You can still play redfall.

[@spikefishnetwork1118]

Ugly characters, live service and outdated hero shooter mechanics. Not to mention the pandering.

[@sanchezs7614]

It's a woke mess

[@bf5175]

@@sanchezs7614 lol. You guys are so weird and easily triggered.

[@BobThe500]

grrr the WOKE GENDER has infected by gaems what will the WORKE LEFT LIBERABASL do next, PROUNOUN??!???!?

[@sanchezs7614]

@@bf5175 come kiss my triggered lips 👄

[@spikefishnetwork1118]

@@bf5175 lol not triggered. Amused. Do you know about SBI and ⬛🪨? they push messaging above story and creativity.

[@scubat5360]

If we know anything about the market at this moment, the people in charge of this are getting a promotion instead of getting fired

[@BTizzle]

the corporation being blamed is kinda silly. like sure, they deserve credit for thinking that a few hundred million dollars invested would be ROI for years to come, but in reality that development team failed to deliver a great product. just like 343.

[@atlien1988]

The corporation not only funded the game, but they set the standards and hire the individuals charged with managing the development of the game. This game is not comparable at all to Halo Infinite (or 343i) because they still developed good games that were played by millions and Halo Infinite is still receiving updates 3 years later. 343i is not perfect and deserves constructive criticisms when they flounder, but players actually enjoyed Halo Infinite - so much that they voted it for the Players' Choice Award at release.

[@BTizzle]

@@atlien1988 TLDR. The dev team put out a shit game it died instantly. 343 put out a great game with dry content, it went on life support unfortunately.

[@atlien1988]

@@BTizzle Halo Infinite was devoid of content at release despite the fun gameplay and the stupid microtransactions only exacerbated the situation. However, the game is significantly better now than it was 3 years ago with more content than most games of the same type. In any case, at least it is still being supported lol.

[@Ramazvous]

Concord was also a plane that burnt up and crashed... and their design was also cancelled... So don't name your game over a plane that literally crashed and burned.

[@yashroy7424]

This is what happens when management people run companies that are not management firms... You can see this happening with Boeing, Disney, Amazon prime and basically all big game companies...

[@xorkatoss]

no way they actually spend any money advertising this game, most of the people here have never heard about it lol...

[@LKNear]

This game made Halo Infinite look like the hottest game in the market lol for the huge disaster Halo Infinite was at least it kept enough of a players to populate most if not all modes and lasted more than 2 weeks lmao

[@The_NJG]

Sony should've never given Jim Ryan his position, or moved the HQ west. Japanese leadership knows how to get things done in the games industry.

[@fang4853]

Esg’s are the problem people play games to escape this bs, and corporate keep shoving it in our face.

[@zachgreenbaum529]

Why do the characters look like they were made by hitting randomize in the character creator of a different unreal engine game instead of actual designs lol.

[@Sprocket74]

Gotta stop believing these companies when they tell you they've spent X amount of years when the product shows otherwise. If you believe they took 8 years to make this game then you'll probably fall for the next trash can they drop.

[@jerryorned]

I was more than $300 million. Fire walk cost $250 million The dumpster fire game was $200 million Saw something online about a week ago total over $400 million. Sony definitely lost millions on the deal.

[@mynamejacob8678]

The irony of following Halo then talking about this, guess birds of a feather type style.

[@KanadeTachibana12]

One positive I can say about it is that the character models and animations actually looked pretty decent. Hopefully the developers can jump to different studios and use their skills on other projects.

[@rasdasa]

The primary reason the game failed is because of the woke politics, it's a mostly silent protest from the silent majority. Wukong is nothing special either, it really isn't, just a good take on an Action RPG, I'm enjoying it but it brings nothing fresh to the market and is twice as expensive- and yet it's sold insanely well. People are just extremely tired of giving money to companies who hate them and think they're better than them.

[@gerry._.y]

wow it kept growing. first i heard 80, and then 100-150. then my friend said 200. now its 300. crazy

[@DarkLawify]

Look at what Warhorse did with Kingdom come: Deliverance II. It seems to be exactly what their fan base wanted, and the preorders are now as rare as hens teeth. All we want are developers that listen to fans. This goes double for a Halo dev.