The BIGGEST Halo Cheating Scandal in Franchise History.

[@MintBlitz]

How would you fix the industry wide cheating issue?

[@zombie6323]

I like how nobody brings up valorant because they build their own anticheat which actually works unlike other games

[@stealthproductionz6648]

I'd fix it by becoming a lead developer and having people do their job for once and make an anti cheat that actually works instead of relying on an anti-cheat that's known for being useless.

[@ShadowDragon-cw7wb]

Run a competitive game studio for once? One doesn't need a thousand employees and a billion dollars to develop a game. Every game developed with this size of team and budget HAS FAILED!!!

[@bigbig54]

​@@zombie6323yes but a lot of people are afraid bc it gives riot access to their pc

[@zombie6323]

@@bigbig54 I rather them have kernel access then no cheaters I barley see cheaters maybe once every 4yrs

[@SourDieselEyes]

I seen one cheater on marvel rivals, I reported him during the match and after the match he was banned for 1000 years. Microsoft studios just doesn't care.

[@CaptainBloodsail]

When Netease does more than a billion dollar company doesn't do shit.

[@TheNakedNinja48]

how do you know he was banned for that long

[@aibarra11]

@@TheNakedNinja48 trust me bro

[@SourDieselEyes]

@ they send you mail in game. Name dropping his username and the time he’s be banned for. 3025

[@VeganChiefWarrior]

Lol 1000 years is cope AF they know he's just going to make another profile 😂 ​@@SourDieselEyes

[@Beanszo]

i dont understand how someone can enjoy cheating

[@diegoangel8610]

i dont understand how someone can enjoy Halo Infinite...

[@Beanszo]

@@diegoangel8610 its a fun game

[@panzalinopanzultimate4796]

It’s people being unable to accept they’re worse than most players. It allows them to feel like they’re superior for their vanity.

[@The_GenXennial]

I thought the same thing back in Halo 2 days when the modded xbox’s first hit the multiplayer scene. It was a disaster. Something for certain- In time all things change, except for people.

[@joshuas.4531]

Fun to do

[@chipsdubbo5.56]

Cheaters are just pathetic honestly

[@cencil6497]

Cheaters suffer from some sort of delusion where they start forgetting they're even cheating & genuinely believe they're good at the game, poor things

[@nuggetstew4380]

I think its more of a sense of superiority and spitefulness rather than thinking they're actually good, they know they're trash, thats why they cheat

[@jessejive1174]

Maybe they sell the accounts after they get them to a certain level too? Idk why people would just play for fun on competitive and outright cheat. Maybe like some minor advantage. I hate getting team mates that seem like they genuinely aren’t trying over and over. I’ve heard skill based match making tries to ensure you lose about 50% of your games no matter your rank.

[@infernaldaedra]

@@jessejive1174 at a certain point in ranked everyone's a cheater. To compete with cheaters people cheat because they suck and they hit a wall. they are and can't accept it so they think they're better than others when they cheat

[@Themrine2013]

i play cod. everytime i call out cheaters in game they always claim they are better than me. every time.

[@infernaldaedra]

@@Themrine2013 it doesn't help that the game actually cheats. The anti cheat literally benefits players in Cod. 😊

[@maizeman90]

Paying to cheat in a video game has to be one of the most pathetic things a human can do. That's just embarrassing.

[@HartySR91]

Nah, can think of 1000 things more pathetic . Not saying it's good but there's some really fd up things out there

[@maizeman90]

@samuelhart2910 being the 1001 most pathetic things a human can do, would still be among the most pathetic things a human can do

[@The-Black-Death]

The worst thing is when people do it to win competitive tournaments, that's just blatant criminal activity.

[@HartySR91]

@@The-Black-Death yeah it's a bit of a grey area. Does that constitute fraud? I'm not a lawyer but it would be tough to get a conviction for that. I hate the fact other players who were on the cusp of an opportunity didn't get one because he stole pro points online

[@The-Black-Death]

@@HartySR91 I would say 100% yes and I'm not even a lawyer. However this guy would qualify there since he wasn't able to win thankfully, he just cheated his way to the tournaments.

[@scooterpumpkinshooter2308]

Permanent device and ip bans

[@O7OF-0xFF90]

Device Bans Will Not Work As Thier Is What's Called A HWID Spoofer Which Masks The Hardware ID Of the device Then With IP Bans Instead Of Using A VPN You Can Use An OVH which Circumvents the IP Ban

[@wolflord8117]

But what cheaters would say is "get better" so damn stupid

[@murkyylurkss]

If i ever bought a second hand GPU that was ID banned, id fucking rage

[@maizeman90]

@@murkyylurkss Risk you take when you buy second hand

[@lololololololo]

Money bought him, time.

[@anthony-s026]

Goes to show that the only thing kernel level Anti-cheat does is take up resources to do a ton of nothing. Probably need to switch to a server side anti cheat so the people who make the cheats don’t have access to the code. Would also probably stop people altering things server side like Apex and MCC.

[@smellyeggs456]

so you want to own less of the games you buy?

[@Soundwave142]

Yeah!

[@CrazySerb]

Cheating on consoles is just as bad as on PC. It is very cheap to get a device to allow you to use mouse and keyboard with controller aim assist and scripting support for recoil patterns etc... Client anti cheat is free to run for companies and it still does something for software cheats. However, just like on consoles, hardware cheats are much harder to detect, from DMA cards to mouse and keyboards with storage for scripts. It is impossible to fight against cheating without consequences outside of the game.

[@KILLSHOTSolo]

Cheating in a tournament that haa money as the prize should be a felony because thats stealing.

[@CrespoFTW]

That's seems like a good angle to tackle it

[@DarthAscension]

It’s not stealing that would be a case of fraud. You could talk about how it was pre meditated, malicious, breaking contracts and ToS to be subject to both fines, lawsuit, and jail time.

[@jessejive1174]

Uh, not necessarily stealing. Maybe but legally isn’t quite the same. That being said, “stealing” isn’t a felony lol but it might be some kind of crime by cheating in a video game for prize money.

[@Gamer1990100]

Watch him still be alive in 2124 and then mange to get one last cheating round in before he passes!

[@Dart-nms]

He'll also use hacks on that one match.

[@deathisaprimitiveconcept]

Lol. And then Mint Blitz makes one final video on it from his death bed.

[@TheGravemindReturns]

A franchise as perfect as Halo…it’s sad to see how people can find cheating enjoyable on it. Let alone any other game. Thanks for spreading awareness, Mint.

[@anvthema6fd]

Halo is perfect? 💀

[@TheGravemindReturns]

@good point. Perfect from my childhood. I tend to try and forget about the other stuff that’s happened since then…🥲

[@anvthema6fd]

@@TheGravemindReturns ahhhh I feel that

[@MattePurple1]

​@@anvthema6fd I wouldn't say it's perfect, but I can't think of another game with history and lore as deep and ongoing as Halo. I'm one of the Halo apologists who have loved every installation since CE (yes, even that one). That said, there have been some head-scratching decisions, and Microsoft's treatment of Halo contributors (both the dev team and the community) continues to erode my immense goodwill. It's not perfect, but it's my second favorite franchise after NFS, and it sucks to see cheaters make a mockery of such a beloved series.

[@IntrusiveThoughts838]

@@MattePurple1someone mentioning the community not helping?! ANOTHER ONE SEES THE LIGHT IN HOW THEY ARE ALSO PART OF THE PROBLEM?!

[@ibraHasib]

I remember back during the og halo 2 days on original xbox coming across hackers too. Guy was flying around super fast shooting sniper bullets like it was an smg or something. I'm sure it's harder to hack/cheat on console, but lets not get it twisted, it happens there too.

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

Mint has talked about some ways of cheaters manipulating their ping at the connection level before, too.

[@UnifiedEntity]

But thats far and few inbetween and much obvious to spot. PC gaming has too many opportunities and ways to cheat.

[@muffinxcancer]

@@UnifiedEntity thats just not true. its just as easy to use a cronus or zen on xbox as it is to pay to download some files on pc.

[@UnifiedEntity]

@@muffinxcancer That came out in freaking 2020. THERE WERE WAY more cheaters on PC before than even still. It is without a doubt thats always how its been as opposed to console gaming. Thats not to say there ISNT on console but the extent on it is CHILDS play compare to the "master race"

[@cray-z578]

@@UnifiedEntityIt’s just not true anymore, cheating is just as simple on console as it is on pc now, because consoles are just PCs now. Console only releases won’t solve cheating, and it won’t make anti-cheat better. This is an incredibly outdated mindset when it comes to the cheating problem. Now the preformance diversity of different PC specs vs the consistency of consoles is a perfectly fair argument for competitive games.

[@Sunsetofcanterlot]

What I would do is twofold, the overwatch system from CS:GO, with administration overview, this way, we can have massive ban waves from aid of trusted individuals of the community, but their votes only push the users to the forefront and give those they voted yes on a temporary ban of 3 hours, letting an admin view the ban, and view all footage involve with the user from the first report onward and let them decide if the ban remains permanent or to lift it. I will never understand cheating in multiplayer, it's dumb and makes the hacker appear more as a winy child than anything else.

[@FakeJeep]

Bungie has sued two cheat creators into the ground now.

[@absentstars474]

Didnt stop cheating tho

[@FakeJeep]

@absentstars474 no, but they took out a creator of the software which eventually can be patched out versus fighting in real time to block it while the creator bypasses the fixes. It is a real cat and mouse type thing.

[@jessejive1174]

⁠@@absentstars474not but it greatly reduced it. Are you only applauding or in support of a single solution that prevents 100% of all cheating??

[@absentstars474]

@@jessejive1174 its not a solution if it isnt solving the problem. Paying lawyers doesnt beat paying your developers to make a better game. Lawyers dont retain your player base.

[@Arize20]

Cheating should not only be sueable, but also a full on criminal offense. Substantial jail time could definitely deterr people from cheating

[@KrutonSalad16]

I love the contrast of Remy’s gameplay as he talks about the KD of online vs LAN for Monster. Someone that actually enjoys and respects the game ends up really good compared to scum that can’t feel good about himself without ruining the game for everyone by cheating. I’ll never ever understand cheating except that it has to be narcissistic or egotistical. RIP bozo

[@haydenchu58]

I don’t know why you guys always compare mint blitz to pro players. Of course he’s gonna play well on social and BTB matches

[@KrutonSalad16]

@ well for 1. it was his gameplay playing during the video and 2. He’s really really good at the game. Even against pros or same level, he has a much more balanced KD yet still stuns. 3. He’s obviously better than Monster

[@jessejive1174]

People make money cheating. That’s not ego. It’s just rigging a system to make money. Where do you guys get off calling everyone names and accusing them of behavior because they do somehting you don’t like? Not everyone who bothers you is a narcissist or even a bad person. It doesn’t mean they hurt people or manipulate them. It is just a game and cheating in a game doesn’t mean you’re like a r@post or narcissist lol crazy conclusions are being made.

[@jessejive1174]

@@haydenchu58never see anybody play that well in social matches so clearly he’s amazing.

[@KrutonSalad16]

@ idk man I stand by what I said. Cheating in all aspects really shows some crap character whether it’s in a social aspect, individual aspect, or competitive aspect and that’s not just exclusive to gaming. And on the note for money, it’s brutal to cheat others out of it when everyone believes it’s an even playing field. I think there’s something egotistical and narcissistic about thinking how you can get away with it and deceive people, being egotistical literally comes with self-centredness and arrogance and those kind of crossover in cheating when you don’t care about other peoples casual enjoyment or competitive space, etc.

[@corthussong84]

Thats me TetroiD99 getting killed at 0:10

[@jpesicka492]

@@qjoselp71he was killed by a cheater how is that humiliating?

[@jpesicka492]

@@qjoselp71he was killed by a cheater how is that humiliating?

[@dakdakkoda]

Legend

[@usurparemagnus]

@@qjoselp71imagine being a motherless and fatherless cheater

[@jasperwilliams9619]

Him legend

[@calebclark1349]

Cheaters are usually pretty ass at the actual game. It’s funny and sad whenever I see a cheater. They just petty losers, imo

[@The-Black-Death]

Typically yes, but sometimes people cheat just to troll and grief people without having an ego about it and not because they're bad at the game per say.

[@jh9496]

Legal action makes the most sense imo. When little Timmy’s parents get sued by a multi million dollar company I don’t think little Timmy will be aim botting anymore.

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

It's probably only economical to go after the chest sellers, though.

[@TheWehzy]

Thats what china does in some games.

[@jacobcampos1741]

Cease and desists first then go for money

[@BigNastyRob]

Excessive and stupid. You wouldn't have the same option if you had a kid. Also, what are they suing for? What was lost? (Unless it's a cash tournament or something) Very dumb take, with a crazy amount of likes lol

[@vegardnygard9125]

Took 4' into the video before I realised I wasnt watching the cheater playing. 😅

[@killerclown2335]

MINT BLITZ IS A WALL HACKER BTW, IT'S SO DAMN OBVIOUS

[@vapshockxd6516]

Lmao, you really think that there are no cheaters on consoles? What a grand and intoxicating innocence!

[@resurgam_b7]

How could you be so naive? There is no escape, no recall or intervention can work in this place.

[@jessejive1174]

Nobody ever said that. Nice try. Do you think there are the same amount of cheaters per capita on console as PC? 😮

[@BladeZero238]

@@jessejive1174Not immediately, but if all the competitive events and games are made console exclusive, it’s a safe bet the numbers will change.

[@LTDragoonIII]

​@jessejive1174 "Console is the only way to have a level playing field going forward' excat words bro

[@deathtrooper2048]

There are no cheaters on Halo 5 console, but keep on coping. PS modding a console long after its lifespan doesn't count.

[@matthewsalmon5732]

I'm sorry but going "console only" is NOT going to fix the problem and will only further separate the PC gaming community and console community in negative ways.

[@jessejive1174]

But it will greatly reduce the amount of cheating console have to deal with

[@shaheer1172]

@@jessejive1174and will stop so many people from ever playing the game

[@BladeZero238]

@@jessejive1174Actually no. If the competitive games and tournaments all go console only, that just means the cheaters will switch media. (Which, as a primarily PC player, would be a delight for me) This happened before in the early 2000s, back during the days of the original Xbox and Playstation 2. Even if the statistical percentages of cheating decrease, it would only be temporary as cheating would inevitably ramp up again.

[@meetorr6185]

People have been cheating on Halo since Halo 1. Cheaters cheat across all platforms.

[@fenchellforelle]

This. Cheating isnt a PC issue, console deals with the exact same things. We've come so far in terms of crossplay and departing from practices like platform exclusivity, it'd be a huge shame to take a leap backwards like that for no benefit to anyone.

[@LaperLarden]

Glad to hear Halo Studios are doing something to try and combat cheating in MCC/Infinite. Though I can't say I've seen or heard anything from any of their official channels regarding this. It would go a long way in letting the wider gaming community know that the games are safe(r) to play if they published a Waypoint article, or at the bare minimum made a tweet saying they were doing something.

[@MintBlitz]

I highly doubt they’ll say anything publicly

[@adan507]

Fix: ranked needs phone number linked to account. Not so easy to find several phone numbers to keep cheating. You have the option in game to only match verified accounts.

[@Dragonofshame]

Nah getting access to phone numbers for verification is much easier than you think. All you have to do is look at gray market sites that sell accounts for games that require verification.

[@mccdragonfired434]

You can fake those

[@adan507]

@@mccdragonfired434 easily? same as email adress?

[@B1OChemist]

Honestly, even moving to console won't fix the issue. If cheaters want to cheat they find ways. The best way to beat it is to update the anticheat with the cheats being used. Cyber security isn't a one deal problem. It's always evolving just like cheats. As cheats evolve, so does the anti cheat. The best way to slow cheating down is to NOT make the game free to play.

[@_Mutt_]

Hey it's this guy!

[@B1OChemist]

@_Mutt_ sup mate!

[@_Mutt_]

@ :D

[@JeremySchneider1]

Ive always loved the idea that cheaters don't get on obvious ban, but are instead placed in a walled garden of only playing the game with other cheaters.

[@browsingmain5338]

Crossplay needs to be optional, xbox's new FORCED crossplay with play any game anywhere is a complete failure! No integrity!

[@rulon6064]

Yeah pc killed halo said it since day 1

[@shortycz4741]

Here a PC player. I think in Halo (MCC) crossplay is essential for PC players because of the matchmaking times. I wouldn't be able to play multiplayer at all. Every time I play I play with XboX players. The problem is not the PC. The problem is inability of developers to saveguard Halo (I mean they can't do a good anticheat).

[@basigerman]

I’d buy an Xbox if this was a thing

[@UnifiedEntity]

@@shortycz4741 Cheating is prevalent on PC side though. That goes for ANY game.

[@shortycz4741]

@@UnifiedEntity Of course it is. But blocking all PC players because of a few worthless people seems unfair to me...

[@Aether-Entropy]

How to stop cheaters: Stop making your games free to play.

[@maizeman90]

That doesn't stop them. In case you missed it, MCC is a paid experience

[@udontknowme00]

this doesn't stop them. it helps, but it doesn't fix the problem

[@DarkCobra88]

It's a good starting step, as others said, many of these games are paid games like MCC but it certainly means for someone to cheat they have to buy the game, when banned they have to make new accounts and keep buying it, which even when on sale for high discounts, can become expensive very fast if they getting bans none stop. I also think all players reported for "cheating" should be investigated asap, games watched and if found to be cheating, ban for life. Of course people make false reports for cheating all the time, I'm sure Mint Blitz is probably reported once a day by someone hurt about the skill gap but i would just say impose punishment on false reports, fake reporting cheat = warning, twice = 2nd warning, 3times = 1 day ban, then 1 week etc. you couldn't be too harsh because some will report when suspicious of cheating when its just a good player but it's there.

[@PixelatedManiac]

People pay 100$ to get the newest COD and pay for cheats on top. Apparently pricing doesn’t matter

[@jessejive1174]

Well, idk how that would even have an effect. Do people with cheating software not have debit cards or somehting for someone reason? lol

[@Ki11s0n3]

PC is not the only platform that has cheaters. The same cheats are on console as well. PC gaming is not the problem.

[@dabbingraccoons6416]

We need a strawman

[@jessejive1174]

No one ever said it only happens on PC but it’s overwhelmingly on PC and it’s disproportionate meaning PC is the main problem… it’s not equal on console and PC.

[@kevinblackbird8302]

If I had a modder/cheater in my lobby,I report that person and quit the game match and if he or she is on my team, I would report and actively try to sabotage our team to make sure he or she loses the match, whether I betray him or her or give free kills too the other team.

[@AverageFornaxEnjoyer]

Easy fix would be to ban hardware IDs and keep them in a central registry that all anti cheat developers can draw from, ain't nobody replacing their CPU or GPU just to cheat again...but that would cause issues for the second hand market so guess no bueno there.

[@MrDoorChime]

Harsh but needs to be done

[@starseed-]

Cheating is extremely prevalent on console as well, it’s done differently but I don’t believe console is the answer to ending this issue.

[@TheBroz]

‘Extremely prevalent’? Where?

[@metroxboxlive]

Monster is down bad

[@HALOHERO117]

Halo cheating is unhinged mint

[@lololololololo]

Money spent wisely

[@HyperspeederS689]

and with that 343i/Halo Studios still didn't do anything

[@dwarfdigger135]

Just say 343 for christ sake

[@HyperspeederS689]

@dwarfdigger135 it doesn't matter

[@jmorales6539]

343 is too busy making DEI hires instead of adding content to HI and fixing the cheating issue.

[@private1177]

Anti Cheats should be working together so HWID bans will be issued to all anti Cheats that exists. Banned in one game. Banned in all current and all future games.

[@IVolutionI]

I just don't get why you cheat on a game? Like where is the fun if you're just always brisking right through your matches.

[@gagekieffer772]

for most cheaters it's either to get attention, see how far they can take it before getting banned, or to "get good" fast. Attention: I've only really met two cheaters and talked to them, and they both had rough childhoods to say the least. I'm not gonna delve too deep but they were both needy for attention and have likely adopted the mindset "all publicity is good publicity", and one of them wasn't in the best mental state to say the least. Breaking Limits: Some people just want to see how far they can push it before action is taken, also likely due to attention but sometimes out of pure curiosity. "Get Good Quick": Some people are too bad or too lazy to try to learn a skill and download cheats to try and fast-track the process, not realizing that it only hinders themselves in the long run. You see this a good bit in speedrunning communities, though that's mostly to get good times faster and more reliably. To any cheaters that read this, you're better than that. If you cheat because you lack skill, you can earn it. It won't be fast or easy, but it'll be retained a lot better than the aimbot or ESP you're using. If you want to break limits, at least try not to ruin other players' fun while you do it. Of all the reasons to cheat, this is the one I understand the most (mostly for curiosity) but there are ways to break the anti-cheat without bothering other players. If it's to seek attention, there are better, healthier and even possibly easier ways to do that, but it also might be linked to deeper issues with yourself. I advise looking into a psychiatrist or therapist to get help if possible. In any case, if you get banned it's not because you're this huge threat that needed to be taken down, but because you're an annoying twerp in a sea of annoying twerps. You're not cool, you're not original, and you will likely die forgotten.

[@thatoneswarmdrone6409]

There is no fixing the cheating situation as its a humanity problem. It will never go away.

[@BladeZero238]

Then we must first solve humanity.

[@brianmarin6354]

Love you mint, so glad you brought this to surface. Some games have been unplayable. Cheers from Utah, USA 🙏🏼

[@SorakuFett]

Coming to PC was a Pandora's Box that cannot be closed again, but as the CoD situation shows, the devs never care as long as they can squeeze a few dollars out of cosmetics.

[@RadioSilver27]

One of my last experiences with Halo infinite was seeing a streamer + 3 players cheating in a btb game. After spending hours to put together clips and sending to 343 I was met with an email telling me "we are not taking action." Havent played Infinite since. This on top of years of bad servers and little content killed it for me. Marvel Rivals is proving to be amazing with fast cheater bans.

[@The-Black-Death]

What happened with the game exactly, like how were they cheating in it? o-O

[@BeerOClock117]

If it's a streamer, you should name and shame. Then you'd probably get some more movement on the problem, and you'd at least give other players a heads up.

[@911delorean]

I don't even bother with online multiplayer anymore unless it's with a group of friends. Mostly for a skill disparity, but also running into massive cheaters when all I want to do is grind achievements or mess with friends, it's not fun.

[@mikeyrowlands8551]

It sells multiple copies of the games due to the bans and then the repurchase of the game. They will never get rif of the cheating 100%.

[@kevinj4862]

Modders ruined Halo 2 online. The most famous mod was elites couldn't die. Lobbies full of elites and no one ever died.

[@PovertyStateCharizard]

Getting rid of forced cross play would be a fantastic starting point. I know it doesn't help the PC crowd much but it would definitely be huge for those of us on console.

[@DarkCobra88]

I wouldn't oppose it if they keep it in games. Even if not pvp games. I play games mostly on my PC but enjoy playing games like Monster Hunter with friends in which we have to play console because no cross-play, anyways, new game will have cross-play, this is a co-op style game (you fight bosses together not online pvp like halo mind you), i look forward to being able to play on pc or xbox so i wouldn't want to see cross-play ditched, games like rocket league did amazing because of the feature too, but i do agree in pvp games having it optional to remove would work. I don't know about now days but i remember in the 360 days on og xbox days, you could buy modded consoles which cheating hardware installed so it was never cheating free but it was rare people used it outside custom games for risk of ban.

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

It could also be done for ranked only, which is most of the cheating problem.

[@PovertyStateCharizard]

Don't get me wrong I don't want to see cross play completely removed as I too have friends that it would prevent me from playing with. I just think that it should be standard to have it as an option and people shouldn't be locked out of chunks of a game for disabling it. Again not saying it will make the console world free of cheaters but I think it's something simple that would greatly affect the exposure to it for those of us on console.

[@muffinxcancer]

it really wont help. crossplay is the future

[@PovertyStateCharizard]

Sure, allowing players to disable cross play may not directly make cheaters go away or eliminate the issue all together, but it would more than likely allow those on console to experience it with less frequency.

[@thediam0nddrag0n78]

Getting banned for cheating should get the punishment of a few weeks or year-long bans and/or a lawsuit against the cheaters and the distributor (all parties involved should get prison sentences)

[@aShadyHaloKid1]

Alot of cheaters in this game. So much that ppl don't even think they are cheating anymore.......ask yourself how ppl are ranking up in a game that keeps things 50/50 ...this game will sabotage it self in order to keep it's sbmm true...so pls explain

[@Zivin]

Lawsuits. Lawsuits are the only thing that has consistently shut down cheating. The moment millions of dollars are suddenly at risk people stop. Bungie learned this and succeeded

[@hakanflodin4555]

Once a cheater always a cheater. That is the truth. When you've crossed the threshold once the likelyhood for crossing it again increases exponentially. Cheaters always have some excuses in their backpocket. And it's always some bullshit that doesn't hold up. I've seen this so many times, it's a pattern.

[@jessearmstrong6583]

the thing about cheaters is that if the only thing they have available is consoles they will learn how to mod/hack the console and cheat anyways...

[@xXFlameHaze92Xx]

3:47 Controllers with Macros and also tools like chronus magic also make them dont have a pair floor on consoles. In the case of PC, years we have beggin to microsoft for close the kernel access development (that will be beneficial not only for anticheats, that are becoming more draconian due to the amount of crap we are installing at drivers level but also for security appliances in general). Also is required to enforce more the region lock, specially with the Chinese Continental Market. I see right now how assholes are promoting by sponsors vpn services for bypass regional lockdowns, making even more palpable the problem.

[@el182]

If I were a gaming company, I would legitimately care about my product and the player. That would be the foundation to solving 98% of these issues. The gaming industry is chalked and we have reached the point where $$ is worth more to companies than the players. It is painfully obvious

[@samtaylor7762]

Even though console is more resistant to cheating, it's not totally safe. I played Halo 4 on XBox when you could replay a game in theater mode from any player's view. I viewed an unbeatable cheater's perspective while he camped and saw through walls and sniped anybody that passed into open space. He knew precisely where we were as he visually tracked us through walls with his reticle. I've seen other examples on KZbin and still run across cheaters still in other XBox games.

[@OblivionSoldier]

The issue bringing games to console only again is console porting to PC down the road, usually aren't good. Even then? Consoles are still prone to cheats going rampant, Kronus max comes to mind there...which Kronus is the worst due to it being hardware based, not software. The only way to stop cheating in my eyes to just make it flat out illegal. Now how that would work? Not sure. Im no lawyer.

[@BIRDMAN-ns7jn]

It truly is out of control. Last night I played an MCC BTB match and a hacker came in and instantly spawned killed us and flew around the map killing everyone.

[@willwunsche6940]

If you knowingly play with cheaters you deserve to get banned too

[@The_Trash_Boat]

As I've heard somebody say it before, "Cheaters don't cheat for fun or glory, they cheat so others may suffer"

[@icy1172]

As much as I love cross play due to it inherently bring everyone together, that also means EVERYONE together (the cheaters too). I would personally like to see cross play amongst the consoles, but still have an option to turn it on for PC in case you have a friend on it. Not the best solution as I don’t want the PC player base to be left out, but that’s where most of the cheats come from unfortunately.

[@KantoKait]

03:40 I hope microsoft/xbox/HaloStudios sues him for any winnings, he's received 🙏🏼

[@LVTHalo]

omg that's me! 2:02

[@IroquoisPliskin-w1f]

you can't stop cheating, its like people being offensive on the internet, just cry and move on bro

[@IFeastOnGlue]

Whoa a recap on the situation that ISN'T 20+ minutes and filled with fluff? That's crazy

[@issacbaxter503]

IP bans, make games REQUIRE a file scan to detect anything not OG code, make a clause saying by cheating you agree to a lawsuit to pay fines for distruction of digital property or whatever along those lines.

[@Bliss_Hop]

Cutting pc players off from competing is not fair but tighter restrictions is definitely needed

[@accusticplayer_2024]

It's such a crazy world we live in where people are okay with abortion but get so mad over cheating in a video game. I'm not saying people who had one should be hated but it should be acknowledged that it's worse than cheating in a video game.

[@danbachner31]

Hey old head here. I'm not sure how to fix PC cheating. Halo originally came out for the PC, but I grew up on consoles. I bought the original XBOX because Halo was it's main seller. It was the best game I ever played at that time. I was instantly hooked. I have played Halo now for over 20 years. Halo games had their fair share of glitches with getting off the map and such, but I have never seen the game manipulated so easily as it is today. Cross play not only ruined Halo for me, but all the other online games I used to play. I'm sorry for the PC players, but console players deserve better. People should not be firing up their Xbox Series S/X only to get wall hacked and/or aimbotted by some person that gets dopamine from using PC hacks. There are most likely ways to still cheat via console that I'm not currently aware of, but I think getting rid of cross play would be a start. It is a shame but if we have learned anything, companies will do whatever it takes to make more money. We keep buying their games so our bantering, complaining, and opinions are useless. Franchises that keep selling based on the name simply do not have to make improvements because they know we will still buy. Newer games take the proper actions because they don't have a constant revenue stream coming back from previous players. I have honestly come to accept it. I will dabble occasionally for fun but my competitive drive for the game is done. What once was an amazing community of friendly people has become a landscape for cheating and complaining.

[@FKA_Skull]

Standby in Halo 2. I’ll always remember defending my teams flag and it disappearing right before my eyes for the first time.

[@Mohroka]

The cheating situation is actaully pretty simple. They cheat to make money. Get rid of their incentive, they stop cheating. Maybe you still get some mad lad like the people who wreckt Titanfall 2, but not likely.

[@keoniharrison7008]

I feel like the only way is (for all games) to update TOS to include something along the lines of "cheating to incur a 2000$ fine PER INSTANCE as well as banning" etc. However much the cost would be doesn't matter but real world consequences outside of banning need to happen

[@Hankers46]

Make players download a third party app that specifically locates active cheats to ban them immediately. Not only their account, but there IP as well. Then permanently ban them from ever playing it again. That’s what I would like to see at least.

[@dr.koupop880]

i haven't experience any cheating from what I've seen.

[@shalalalalom]

I stopped playing Halo McC due to the cheating issue. Played since launch

[@ugoboom]

With the power of modding comes the power to hack. you CANNOT ask for mods on console and also console-only competitive events.

[@Sam-go7nb]

i want to see people get hardware and IP banned for cheating, it would solve a lot of the "well i will just make a new account" type of cheaters, especially the ones who are super blatant and shameless. Not to mention the people who want to enjoy these games need to hold the development studios accountable in some type of way. Pubg used to announce to every lobby the bans they would dish out, now when people get banned for cheating in PUBG its only for 2-3 days maximum

[@Vamroc]

The issue used to be the reporting system was such a hassle so people would often just be glad the match is over and move on but now the problem is the penalty is toothless because players make new accounts, continue cheating on those until caught again, and the cycle continues. X Box needs to go to source BAN THE X BOX ACCOUNT ensure the moment he clicks on a game it reads "YOU NEED INTERNET ACCESS"...... BAMN they can't cheat if they can't play imagine the look on their faces when they spend another $500-600 dollars thinking "I'll just get another X Box" only to find out "Sorry your previous account was banned and you can't have another account until that ban is lifted.

[@imsodelirous2743]

Add it in bold letters in the user qgreement that if youre caught cheating you will be fined a minimum of $1000, and also have that be enforceable, also, if its at or for a tournament youcan throw in theft, because that technically is stealing

[@MrBaller4Life14]

Cheating prevention is a technical issue, the most effective way is to have a team that is constantly updating the game and finding ways to counter cheaters. A team that only does that one job. Which, I would guess, is expensive. Buy the cheat software break it, patch the game, put up rewards for the community to do the same. Ppl are less likely to but cheating software when they know it will possibly be broken in a few weeks or a month.

[@Rycotta]

It’s pretty obvious any developer that outsources their anti cheat system has a worse experience than developers who take the time to build their own cheat system and invest resources into the system.

[@BreboVR]

Yesterday I was in a match on MCC and some guy on my team kept flying all over the map, honestly thats the first time in MCC I've seen cheating which really sucks

[@TravisParnell]

I actually like the idea of Console only Comp. You make a great point that some players get a huge advantage with high-end PC rigs. Players who run 300fps on a PC are practically playing a different game than those on console or a low end rig. Series X can do 120 FPS but only on dev made maps, which is another can of worms entirely.

[@HaCCod]

Havok isnt cheating hes a ex pro who plays all day (you said number 1 ranked player is cheating”

[@MrKoalafied]

My idea would be simple enough, hear me out. when you load up the game for the first time there will be a disclaimer pop up stating along the lines of "if you are found cheating, using mods, or any gameplay enhancement, your account will be banned and the person will be fined $10,000" Fake account? Your personal phone number, licence or addresse has to be confirmed to create an account. If you have nothing to hide, these demands mean nothing.

[@Viperspider1]

I've kinda left behind competitive online MP games in the last year, and even then I had been gradually dialling back how many of those games I played for years. So I had no idea quite how bad the cheating problem has gotten. The MCC hacking situation is the worst I've ever heard of. The fact that hackers can get others banned is outrageous. Turned me off playing MCC entirely, which is sad because I'd love to play some casual Halo every now and then.

[@lambdachi107-gamingandmusi2]

I've been thinking about this issue myself and I think a possible solution is to not ban the cheaters outright, but rather round them up into a sort of cheaters' bubble, where they will unknowingly only match with other cheaters. The idea is that there's no satisfaction to be had when everyone else is doing it, so by taking the "fun" out of cheating, the cheaters will eventually leave on their own accord out of frustration. It serves the same purpose as banning but with added psychological effect.

[@blakeaaron5546]

they will just make a new account or something along those lines and continue cheating until they get put back in there tho. there really isnt a good way to combat cheating since there are ways to bypass most attempts to stop them plus the cheat devs have money to be made by working on those cheats so they have all the time in the world to make them better

[@Delimon007]

I believe that CS does that which is hilarious 😂

[@DeejCS2]

Counterstrike is unplayabale too. In every single game type at every level. Casual, competitive, and third party Faceit. How is anyone supposed to get good, to pro level, at anything anymore.

[@johnmcconnell7052]

Hes already shown his character banned from one game was enough to ban permanently. Hardware ban ip ban and have admins watch

[@blightysilko]

As long as there's competition there will be cheating. Cheating stopped me playing competitive online games all the way back in 2007 and i have never returned. Co-op only for me now and I'm much happier for it

[@remingtononeschuk7706]

Honestly what I would do.... zero cross play with PC or console only mode, like marvel rivals it's feels more human than robotic, like good old reach and halo 3 days

[@TakeTheBait33]

Should criminalize cheating for online games with hefty fines and bans. It ruins profits and player counts for games. Should be almost jailable if you cheat in a tourny where moneys involved. We need separation from PCs and consoles playing together.

[@locdizzle5666]

In addition to all the cheating avenues that are available for PC players with Infinte PC players have a clear advantage over counsel players because of poor development. All I want is the ability to have a checkbox to select/deselect playing with PC players or cross platform functionality. I just want to play counsel to counsel.

[@locdizzle5666]

In Halo 2 if a counsel was deemed modded it was permanently banned from XBL along with the profile. Maybe stricter banning would be nice as well like say the PC is flagged as permanently banned from connecting to xbl.

[@wasa789]

All studios should come together to develop a unified program that integrates into every game, using AI to detect abnormal gameplay. This program should receive continuous updates to ensure that games remain secure and free from cheating.

[@gretchur24]

cheaters are unavoidable if the matchmaking keeps them in the playlist, if we want to deal with them as a problem, we need to have a user generated whitelist/blacklist where the only people you could be paired with would be personally previewed with what they are like with the added ability to community collab each list, each person would start out with having public matchmaking with this extra matchmaking feature matching with those they also want to matchmake with like you, someone who doesn't want to deal with skummy cheaters, it's like custom game lobbies but with user generated layers of security.

[@gretchur24]

this new matchmaking feature could also eliminate being falsely banned from the game by botted reports, as there would be no need to ban someone, just don't add them to your whitelist, cheaters would give up trying to play the game when all they can do is fight with other cheaters and face the consequences of how abhorently degenerate they can become through doxxing, swatting, ddosing, it would become a nightmare just trying to play the game for them, play stupid games, live in a nightmare of your own design.

[@NickTemperistic]

Due to money being involved in these online tournaments Monster should be sued immediately or be forced to serve time in jail. He clearly hasn't learned from his past mistakes so he needs to understand that we mean business when it comes to the integrity of competitive video games. Also if I couldn't figure out how to stop the cheating in my game then for the time being maybe going back to console is the best thing to do. The fact that he sent the same exact message to a whole bunch of people he hasn't talked to in a pretty long time is disgusting especially when he didn't have any intention of paying them back. Blaming them for giving him the money isn't fair when there are just very nice people out here being taken advantage of.

[@grrman]

Well, for starters, don't have pure online tournaments. Have approved locations where players can bring their own hardware and they are monitored while they play, and their machines are inspected and watched before they even commence the game. That'll take care of the money gaining aspect at least. Also, as for everyone going on console; This DOES NOT fix it. There are still cheaters on consoles, albeit it in much lower numbers. Multiplayer cheaters need to be IP and hardware banned for starters. Cheat detection is obviously not working that well, so we can replace this intrusive bollocks with something else. Next to no software should be running kernel level access on your device.

[@maxmikester8185]

Remember when hardware and IP bans were a thing? We need to go back to that, make it financially difficult for a cheater to get back so it isn’t worth it.

[@rastelmagister]

well on halo infinite its not so common, but on the MCC halo 2 and halo 3 multiplayer is a nightmare... there are like a SPNKR with 12 shots... carbine snipin walls, and the bubble shield that instakill...

[@greekd00d69]

Im no programmer but i feel like a competent dev team focusing against hackers should be able to keep the cheater count lower, i doubt companies would pay for that type of specialized care. I dont want games to be inaccessible offline and have malware level anticheats becoming the norm though.

[@hazman61]

the main issue isn't that they are on PC so make everything console only, it's the fact that 90% of triple A studio games use EAC (easy anti cheat), there are so many cheating software programs that can bypass it without trying, these companies need to look into more improved anti cheat systems or at the very least improve their community management to respond to report claims

[@pheonix940]

I think at least part of the issue stems from a lack of manpower devoted to catching cheaters. The idea is to make it all automated so that you don't have to pay employees, so you get this invasive, kernal level anti cheat that, despite that invasion of privacy, still doesn't work as well as having mods actively policing servers. But going back isn't an option because paying people is expensive :/

[@lunchbox997]

I think every cheater should be put in a holding cell or "jail" for as long as they cheated and every minute that cheater ruined a game for the 7 other people who aren't experiencing the product they paid for. This exponentially goes up if its a bigger lobby of say 32 people or 64. Not only is it ruining customers enjoyment of a product, its ruining businesses revenue because they cannot fix it themselves without kernel level anti-cheat. Literally stealing from consumers and companies. Is that drastic? Is that a bit of an overreaction? Sure, but I'd say to hold cheaters accountable for the ones claiming they aren't doing anything wrong. They like to make it a game to see if they can get past the security of a video game or network, they have an extreme hyper-fixation on "what if i could" and not "what if i should". I don't see the difference between cheating and stealing information out of a company's local network.