The Book that proved Jesus was real | Joe Rogan

[@Itsmewillyb]

This is from episode #2144 and this conversation starts around the 1:45:00 mark

[@7Annamallover7]

Thank you!

[@RRC1]

Thank you !

[@danj9339]

Closer to 1:55:00 but thanks for the link.

[@Something-ti1cj]

Recommend Trent Horn and his channel on this

[@Itsmewillyb]

@@Something-ti1cj I recommend AGAINST Trent Horn and his channel. Catholicism is a perversion of what the scriptures tell us

[@julioarroyo6137]

All Joe has to do is bring in the guy who wrote the book (Lee Strobel) and let him explain the history….

[@samuel_iv]

also he forgot to mention that the tomb was guarded by romans

[@Blainerowe3]

And furthermore, women (historically unreliable sources), were the first to find an empty tomb….According to every account. The apostles said, “let’s go back to fishing, or whatever we were doing,” UNTIL they witnessed the resurrected Jesus Christ. Then they were killed. All of them. For a lie? No.

[@kodacervantes8272]

@blainerowe3 now why would u believe the least reliable sources then. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@cclarke10able]

The point is that if you were making up a story and wanted people to believe it, you wouldn’t choose unreliable sources in the story.

[@Kcg99]

YES!

[@JB-wx4wo]

Blessed are those who believe without seeing

[@dannygarcia2252]

Amen!

[@letsgetdoing]

Says the devil.

[@unssh2580]

I lost over $3000 dollars believing without seeing.

[@Anthony-ts1bj]

Like the vaccinated?

[@DenyMeDenyYourself]

blessed are those who see

[@JamezAdam]

When I was 15yrs of age I found myself homeless and praying at a statue of the Good Sheperd in the middle of the night. I remember saying Jesus if you’re real show me, I’m rock bottom and need your help. About an hour later while sitting at a bus stop in the rain on an empty street an old lady out of nowhere pulled up and offered me help. She ended up living an hour away one street from where my mother lived who I had not been in contact with for a long time .The old woman drove me to my mother’s house to see if she would take me in. I knocked on the door, and all the lights came on. My mother was surprised to see me. She took me in and I remember laying in bed trying to figure out what had just happened. I would have been ignorant to think that it was merely a coincidence and was in no doubt that Jesus had sent an angel to help me. I’ve never forgotten that night and it’s the reason I believe in Jesus. Christ is King! Amen!

[@bethanndavis115]

Thank you for your testimony!

[@Jin-Rohhh]

❤🙏🏼

[@Zomboo]

Have you stopped praying to statues?

[@stablegenius6975]

Blessed are those who haven’t seen yet still believe. Christ is Lord regardless of your anecdote.

[@hectorflores1996]

​@Zomboo LOL was he talking to the image or actually to the good sheperd which the image represent. Stop with your nonsense.

[@KTMGUY95]

Every disciple died a miserable death and not one denied their belief. The REAL reason people refuse to believe, is because they would have to change how they live, and they refuse to.

[@magicker8052]

Who told you this????

[@Bayhuntr]

What man told you this and why did you believe him? And by the way the apostle thing “ Who would die for a lie” has been debunked thoroughly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpulZaR9iNyZiZYsi=4YOOxNsaNbTr_zaA

[@TheLizardOfOz]

A popular myth - otherwise known as tradition. No evidence.

[@nancykirkendall1415]

Citation needed.

[@ramigilneas9274]

Meanwhile in reality there isn’t a shred of evidence that any of the disciples were killed for the belief in the resurrection and that they had the chance to save their lives by recanting.

[@tommynorthwood]

I've studied studied biblical history since I was a child. After being molested I couldn't find it possible to believe God was there and let it happen. One night in jail, I ran the story through my mind, and the point where Pontious Pilate told Jesus he would be let off the cross if he admitted he was a liar, and through all the pain, knowing he would die, said it was true.. Even if he wasn't immortal, he had nothing to gain but other people getting the message, seeing.. It broke me, it didn't have to make sense, I'm all in now. Life has been alot better. ❤

[@JPFree24]

​@@Emptybladder You green haired Palestine lovers crack me up.

[@girbanzobean]

He has overcome the world. Christ is risen, believe brother. ❤️🙏 He was resurrected and the same will be true for us!

[@RyanJones-ew8vm]

So now you believe every word in the Bible? Who was there writing down when JC and Pilate were supposedly speaking?

[@scandrianproductions.2342]

​@RyanJones-ew8vm it happened because he was crucified and would rather not say he was lying? Lol also what makes you think pilot didn't address this matter.? Think buddy use ya brain

[@jz73498]

@@RyanJones-ew8vmWell it was recorded in the Gospels. And each Gospel is named after the author. And each author recorded what they saw and heard because they were instructed to. His words are recorded by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John who all followed Jesus as his disciples and would likely be at his trial.

[@greyknight627]

Lee Strobel’s book is really interesting because he initially approached this as a skeptic/atheist, not a believer. The more he dug, the more he interviewed, and the variety of ways he approached the subject of Christ, his life, death, and historical records, the more it became apparent it could not be a fabrication.

[@Whodisdeya]

Kind of like C.S Lewis, Mere Christianity. That's a similar book, and a really good one. Also The Screwtape Letters.

[@w12ath040211]

Yeah sure he did.

[@asapsecurity7802]

It actually didn’t. What was the proof?

[@bgkob]

Lee Strobels book Case for Christ and J Warner Wallace (number 1 cold case detective of the modern era) and his book Cold Case Christianity are both incredible because BOTH of them approached Jesus as skeptics and couldn't deny it after they came at it from an investigative journalist (Strobel) and detective (Wallace). Read or audio both books and see what you think.

[@oniepgzegagskkloni]

*Hallelujah!!!! The daily jesus devotional has been a huge part of my transformation, God is good 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻was owning a loan of $47,000 to the bank for my son's brain surgery (David), Now I'm no longer in debt after I invested $12,000 and got my payout of m $270,500 every months,God bless Christy Fiore🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸..*

[@fjimmykslifes]

Hello how do you make such monthly ?? I'm a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down 🤦 of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.

[@JustinMontgomery-do5ns]

She's a licensed broker in the states 🇺🇸

[@JuanChavez-og7ru]

After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom.

[@cbcdeummcbcdeumm]

Wow that's nice She makes you that much!! please is there a way to reach her services, I work 3 jobs and trying to pay off my debts for a while now!! Please help me.

[@cbcdeummcbcdeumm]

*Please how can I contact her? I'd love to see for myself*

[@michaelmarquez966]

Fun fact the Romans were not against Jesus, they actually liked him and Pilate didn’t want to kill him. But it was the Jewish leaders that wanted him dead. I recommend everyone read the letter Pilate wrote to Cesar Tiberius. He states he was afraid of Jesus because he could feel the authority that he carried. Pilate saw Jesus preaching early on in his ministry and was fond of him because he said things like “Give to Cesar what is Cesar’s” and he also healed the Centurions child.

[@alzer6467]

Careful now, you could end up in jail for antisemitic comments saying such things!

[@willbaker8505]

But its true​@@alzer6467

[@deangulberry1876]

Yeah I think Chrissy D was doing some self-censorship there. 😂 “the Romans” 😂 he knows how to avoid getting cancelled.

[@rios39]

Be careful when you walk to work

[@michaelmarquez966]

@@rios39 hahaha I know right! I’m actually pro israel, however I don’t think it’s necessary to write history!

[@dustinnickerson9495]

You cannot debate someone into believing. Pray for salvation instead.

[@repealthepatriotact]

Nope, you can't pray for someone to be forced into something they don't want. That's slavery.

[@chronic_the_ghost]

⁠@@repealthepatriotactno one begins a relationship with Christ out of force. It's their decision alone whether or not they believe.

[@kenharbeson967]

@@repealthepatriotact they have free will to choose themselves but you can pray for the Lord to open their hearts to the truth.

[@domcruise274]

Usually you can plant seeds and then when they remember it, they think it’s their own idea and they start to support and accept it. Pride is a mofo, especially about personal belief systems.

[@repealthepatriotact]

@@domcruise274 Yes, pastors go through special training using all kinds of little mind-control tricks to identify the weak-minded and easily influenced and insert little questions and "facts" that make sense on the surface. Then they follow up with them hoping they haven't researched the information and then start pushing the buttons of doubt, fear, guilt, low self-esteem, and the need to belong. Then comes the programming that the only way to salvation and back to God is by the strongest blind faith that only the truly deserving have earned(major ego elevation and judgment and condescension onto the non-believers). Then they feed them "evidence" that supports and feeds their ego and belief-evidence that is authored by Christian apologists and "experts". Experts who have no credentials and are proven frauds in academic circles. And poof! Your family is now destroyed.

[@Kushert]

Thank you Jesus for being with me and my family

[@drummerTBM]

Lol

[@vincentvega5686]

so it's an open marriage. cool

[@Kushert]

@vincentvega5686 Yes, with your mom

[@lyonfranz]

Joe Rogan Jesus Loves You Brother

[@repealthepatriotact]

No he doesn't. Is the voice in your head telling you he's Jesus?

[@user-ic1nu2hn9u]

@@repealthepatriotactyou sound ghey

[@nosferatu2]

@@repealthepatriotactyou’re a miserable person

[@thearmanig98]

@@repealthepatriotact Begone, Demon.

[@repealthepatriotact]

@@thearmanig98 I disagree with your insane completely disproven religion that has zero evidence to support it, only the words of your cult leaders and the proven to be fictional books of the New Testament and that makes me a demon? Typical cult member response, to be honest.

[@kevinparrino2371]

Though I walk through the valley of shadow and death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff comfort me.

[@elizabythesea72]

My favorite psalm ❤️

[@bodhitree33]

Unless ur john the baptist or Stephen..

[@samuelcecil1660]

@@bodhitree33 oh no they went to heaven oh no the horror

[@kandacemaendel8826]

@@bodhitree33 Read it carefully. You missed the entire point of the scripture.

[@kevinparrino2371]

@@bodhitree33 this really isn’t that funny they died horrible deaths for what they believed in. And it’s not a belief it is truth. They died for the truth and you need to take it seriously. Why would anyone die for something that isn’t true?

[@subatomic10]

A detective in Australia became a believer when he read the 4 gospel accounts . He said the fact that their eyewitness statements slightly differ from each other proves they were telling the truth . He said he sees discrepancies when taking eyewitness statements. He said if all the disciples eye witness accounts exactly lined up to a tee , then he would've known they were lying and fabricating their statements On another note, it's been said the fact the gospels were written with brutal honesty adds further weight to its authenticity ie Doubting Thomas saying he will not believe unless he puts his hands in His wounds , the disciples always making mistakes , misunderstanding things , Simon Peter always putting his foot in it , then denying Jesus , the disciples not believing Jesus rose from the dead . John quoting Jesus enemies the religious leaders , calling Jesus demon possessed and a mad man , a liar , many of Jesus disciples turning back not following Him . The gospel writers said it as is , they didn't 'air brush ' things out to get the reader to read it with rose coloured glasses!

[@crazboy84]

This is very good thank you for sharing sticking in my back pocket.

[@brianmendenhall8387]

Good point

[@alexandergroth3398]

The gospels aren’t eye witness statements. Some bits might be, but most of it isn’t. Most of the gospels is just authors claiming that other people did this/saw that.

[@brianmendenhall8387]

@@alexandergroth3398 I'll beg to differ..You don't think His followers and disciples wrote about it? The 4 gospels were definitely eye witness documents. Paul , and Luke were the only ones who didn't walk with Christ. Mark may not have either , as he wrote as Peter's note taker. Of course Paul had the personal encounter with the risen Christ after the resurrection. Peter, John, Matthew, James , and Jude most definitely were eyewitness. That's how I view the history of the 1st century events.

[@brianmendenhall8387]

@@alexandergroth3398 I think you are referring to the gnostic gospels that came way after most all of the original close followers have died....and those weren't accepted for the obvious reasons, likely in the beginning of the second century

[@jmhjmhjmh]

I don’t think most people question Jesus’ existence. They question his status as anything other than a mortal man.

[@alankoslowski9473]

Yes it's my understanding most researcher think Christ existed but they aren't sure. Even if he did there isn't much known about his life. There were many similar figures during that time. Christ might have been a mosaic representing these people. If he was an individual person they don't know if he was crucified or just proselytized.

[@harveyquinn7961]

I read the book(The Case for Christ) after Chris mentioned it to Bill Marr and I absolutely loved it and I recommend it to any believer/unbeliever.

[@eamonob84]

The Case for Jesus by Dr. Brandt Pietre is another really good one.

[@Ch0senJuan]

Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple. - Jesus A super good one

[@swish007]

@@Ch0senJuan is this your checkmate or something? if so that's hilarious. ever heard of exegesis?

[@mathewpribek5126]

"More than a Carpenter" is another very good case for Christ being exactly who he said he was. Essentially, he was either a liar, a lunatic, or Lord. The last explanation makes more sense than the first 2, in light of history and what we know of human nature. Very compelling.

[@brianmendenhall8387]

Yep, that's how I end all of my preaching....The evidence is endless..we have to individually decide what to do with Jesus.....blow him off, rebuke him, or do as He says...."Follow Me." I chose the last​@@mathewpribek5126

[@thebriscoekid3214]

Christ is King!

[@nah4215]

Nah

[@Threaldaveoss]

​@nah4215 Your right... He is the Risen Lord..

[@timboslice8559]

He is but Clemson is not lol

[@sachalg5720]

​@@Threaldaveoss that's your claim now show your evidences.

[@TheDragonageorigins]

​@sachalg5720 everyone wants evidence but is too lazy to look it up themselves. Its like those kids that dont study but want all the answers

[@Jerremiahmorris]

What episode is this from??

[@liia9736]

idk the # but this is chris distefano. edit: someone else mentioned this is Episode #2144 Chris Distefano

[@Jerremiahmorris]

@@liia9736 thanks!

[@Mikeypem]

My goodness, thinking Lee Strobel is an actual historian is wild. Dude needs to read more books.

[@TheGoldenSkelly]

If this was about aliens or bears joe would be all for it. He totally dismissed this subject like some know it all.

[@mattappleton3399]

That’s the case for most atheists. If you ask them what they DO believe in, it ends up being some of the most outlandish nonsense you’ve ever heard. But, God is illogical! Ok, buddy 🤣

[@undrtkr1000]

Because it is easily dismissed. There is at least some evidence of aliens but none of Jesus.

[@repealthepatriotact]

He dismissed it because it's the same fictional lunacy retold a little differently.

[@Dutchbrother07]

Aliens are more likely than you’re fictional story about the guy that did magic 2000 years ago (trust me bro)

[@mattr.1887]

Aliens with advanced technology is somewhat plausible within the natural universe. Multiple people coming back from the dead (gospel accounts) is even further out there.

[@BrockSamson18]

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

[@repealthepatriotact]

You're good. Just stop judging yourself and make better choices.

[@PixelGrid86]

Amen. Christ is Risen!

[@repealthepatriotact]

@@PixelGrid86 No. Another lie they told you. Please get away from them.

[@grimsby2185]

Catholic strength!

[@haroldjoseph8296]

Jesus is fiction just like harry porter and bugs bunny 😅😅

[@quasimoedoe9271]

Lee Strobel works and has spoken at my college several times during my tenure. his chapels are always amazing and a joy to attend.

[@legitchristian8498]

What episode is this???

[@aznstride4325]

Historians, collectively consider that Jesus did in fact exist and died by crucifixion. No one is debating whether a person existed named Jesus who claimed to be God and was crucified for it. What they don’t necessarily consider to be true are the miracles he performed during his life

[@repealthepatriotact]

That is true, and just because a guy existed doesn't mean all the magical stories about him that were written long after he died are true.

[@SecondPlaceMusic]

@@repealthepatriotactI agree the miracles he was said to have performed were certainly “magical” or “supernatural” as I would like to say.. but those miracles and the famed resurrection were recorded only 40-60 years after his death depending on which scholar you ask. So that’s really not a huge time gap between his death and the first writings and manuscripts.

[@repealthepatriotact]

@@SecondPlaceMusic WTF? 40-60 years is not a huge gap? Everyone purportedly involved was dead and there were zero written accounts, only propaganda and fantastical stories designed to recruit people into the, at the time, tiny Messianic cult. If it wasn't for Emperor Constantine the Jesus cult would have died off long ago. It was the Jews living 900 mi away in Greece that were writing down a lot of the stories in Coptic Greek, plus the Flavian scholars completely making up their own narrative to promote Titus for Emperor of Rome, stealing from the mythical lies around Jesus to make him the prophet for the true Messiah-Titus Flavius. You should read about that. Also, why do you think there are statutes of limitation for capital crimes in most countries? People's visual memories distort even after a few days, and their memory of what happened and who said what is largely incorrect. There are a lot of people in prison who were convicted by eyewitness.testimony who were later found to be innocent. And you think 40 to 60 years later the words written down are verbatim of what a guy said through four different language translations of the stories?

[@domcruise274]

Something happened big enough to get him killed, change our Calendar and spark the largest widespread belief movement in history.

[@Kevin-nr9hp]

@@repealthepatriotactmagical as in Harry Potter? Or magical as in the universe was created from nothing?

[@SOrtiz420-]

One important detail that he forgot to mention was that the Romans actually guarded the tomb because they didn’t want the disciples to grab the body and make it seem to everybody that he had actually risen.

[@barrywood7234]

Just the fact that people still attack God, Jesus, Christians, and the Jews and even Israel while giving honor and place to mankinds version of God validates what was written in the Bible.

[@dewiwilliams4821]

I have never met someone who is against God. Met many who are anti religious though.

[@svensvrgen6336]

People don't attack God or Jesus, people attack the hypocrisy that the alt-right who more often than not tend to be Christian, and the things and people that they stand for. Trump supporters for Jesus, things like this are asking for ridicule. The teachings had heavy socialist/communal undertones which often represent the complete opposite of what the corporate church preaches today.

[@MankindFilm]

I’m not against something that for all intents and purposes does not exist. When religion and law get intertwined that’s when I get mad at the Christians who demand we all follow their set of ideals. Go ahead and do your thing, but never try to impose that which cannot be reliable or proven in any satisfactory way.

[@barrywood7234]

Israel exists ..

[@MankindFilm]

@@barrywood7234 That is irrelevant. Thousands of other religions exist too, and they all share one thing in common with Christianity, they have no proof.

[@anzelosilas1024]

I dont need any historical accuracy or theory to prove about HIM to believe HIM because HE saved me not only on the Cross but many a times when I am in despair and broken,He touched my heart and mind and within a second I went from panic to peace which nothing in this world can do because He is GOD the Creator, you cannot deny someone who creates you and loves you who knows every single thig about you.

[@khlkhjhlk]

I'm an atheist, but I read that book at the urging of a Christian friend when I was younger. It didn't quite convince me, but I will say for the first time in my life I considered the possibility.

[@blueanima8623]

If it is true, it might be accessible to you. For example if the dead are being reanimated, clearly supernatural forces are at work. Why don't you just ask God to show Himself to you? He either will or He won't; it is worth the curiosity of a genuine request. If the dead can be reanimated, then the world is already quite a bit more expansive than your experience hitherto. Cheers and have a great day.

[@beaconoftruth1990]

What about it exactly is unconvincing?

[@SubmissionGrappler83]

I was convinced by the Lee Strobel books for a time, but once I listened to the counterarguments I realized that Lee Strobel's arguments were full of holes. I doubt he was ever a skeptic doing an honest investigation of the evidence.

[@oceandrop7666]

Consider this then. If any caring god did exist, it would be absolutely MANDATORY for it to show up and disprove all the other religions as humanity said about 3000 different gods existed during our time here. How is a person interested in finding the correct religion supposed to do it, roll a dice? It just makes no sense.

[@blueanima8623]

@@oceandrop7666 Do you lack access to any religious education? God has revealed Himself. If you want a more cogent revelation, all you have to do is ask. He is already with you. If you simply ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you, you will be shown. Are you unaware of the work of the cross? Are you unaware of Christianity? Everything is already at your fingertips, you have only to reach for God because He is already reaching for you. But He will not violate your free will, and won't force a relationship. The reason you have will and drive and curiosity is so that you can pursue God whenever you so desire.

[@RR-tx4ch]

He will never bring on Lee Strobel.

[@realdeath3449]

The Spotify money 👃🇮🇱will dry up if Jesus is spoke about through Joe to the masses

[@eamonob84]

Or Dr. Brandt Pietre.

[@kevinkamakani6405]

And that’s what I want. Someone who knows exactly what they’re talking about to explain everything in detail to where it makes sense and every question is answered.

[@willyjaybobindy3402]

Come on Joe. Have Lee Strobel on. What are you afraid of?

[@lu1zh16]

​@@willyjaybobindy3402 Sam Shamoun

[@ibuterin]

You can tell that Joe Rogan wants so badly for these things not to be true. When I started looking into the historicity of Jesus myself, it was at a time that I finally had no dog in the fight. I just figured that if this is the pin on the matter whether there is eternal consequence or not, it is the most important topic to investigate.

[@vlatassa]

I love your comment. And if it is the most important topic to investigate, then maybe some of the core teachings within the bible and other religious/spiritual texts from around the world have been true all along. What if the purpose of life is to survive, experience, and face all of the different challenges possible given the period of time that you are alive in, learn from and improve upon all of the mistakes and lessons learned from each of those challenges, and live your life the absolute best way that you can in preparation for what comes afterwards. How about, instead of living in fear of death, live looking forward to the end of this life, but spend your time preparing and bettering yourself so that when the inevitable does arrive, you'll embrace this end and the beginning of the next.

[@bdawg-qj9bq]

You were at rock bottom like most converts to Christianity. That might tell you that it’s a 🧠 problem. There is no evidence for the historicity of biblical Jesus, only that a guy in history was named Jesus.

[@Under-Kaoz]

Funny how no one can ever present proof. But just ramble on about cultist ideals and scream "rEsEaRcH it yourself!" The far left and far right have some much in common.

[@kaeffer9522]

@@Under-Kaoz shut up

[@Under-Kaoz]

@@kaeffer9522 Come make me keyboard warrior. Youll be praying to your god for help.

[@aceloth]

Trouble = poverty, torture, death. People lie to get out of trouble, not to get into it…

[@-Ice_Cold-]

Christianity?

[@aceloth]

You guessed it…I’m always amazed when people think these apostles were lying…all it got them was poverty, torture and death

[@breathofgodministries3955]

All praises to THE MOST HIGH GOD. Lord, please bless this man for his obedience. Please lead him to Jesus dear Lord. Thank you Father for your Spirit of Truth. Amen. 💜🛐

[@NoneYa831]

Any time someone talks about Jesus, Joes demeanor and how he talks to people change. Almost comes off hostile

[@BlueCoore]

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Its not , its meta physical

[@boriblock]

Very good, as any thinking being should. god and jesus put on a blindfold to see how the world really is. People who believe are scared and delusional.

[@FellowHuman18]

That's because Jesus the Jewish guy and Jesus the supernatural guy are two very different things.

[@iunnox666]

I imagine most Christians would be at least as hostile if not more so when people with other beliefs talk about their deities.

[@joeypilotte5864]

In the series "The Chosen" Jesus reaches out to a troubled woman and says "I have redeemed you, you are mine!". I had a really special feeling watching that scene. I dont know why but it hit me.

[@bonivermectin4087]

You would like the book of Isaiah then... That verse is from that book, my favorite of the whole Bible. In my opinion it's the most tender loving book ❤

[@stanlane1694]

You have that confirmation that you are his.

[@CPATuttle]

The case for Jesus is a phenomenal book by Dr. Brant Pitre. He’s the best teacher I’ve seen. He does videos on Catholic productions channel

[@CaladiumBandOfficial]

Pray for Joe Rogan to accept Jesus the Savior 🙏🙏🙏

[@haroldjoseph8296]

No😂

[@cc3775]

Not a requirement for salvation.

[@CaladiumBandOfficial]

@@cc3775 - Okay Oprah 😂

[@cc3775]

@@CaladiumBandOfficial yeah that makes sense

[@keymind117]

​@@cc3775What are they then?

[@TruthMatters-jh5nx]

Joe doesn’t want to believe it. He’ll listen to that other dude go on for hours about how the universe sprung into everything from nothing and he’ll nod his head, “wow.. wow..” but this whole Jesus guy, man… I’m out. Lol. Say what you want about God, but he is very patient. And people like Joe, believe it or not, can still eventually come to know him and have a real relationship with him.

[@stretfordender11]

It’s possible to believe in a creator but not that Jesus was the son of god.

[@repealthepatriotact]

No, Joe will never believe in Jesus. He's too smart and knows that all the "proof" and "evidence" is fictional garbage made up by cult leaders running their con game to make money off the stupid.

[@Dutchbrother07]

Because that other guy actually has evidence he can show you, not dogmatic recitals that you aren’t allowed to question

[@MathiasVerhasselt]

which god? Allah? Quetzalcoatl? Jupiter? Zeus? Kāne? Yahweh? Thor? Osiris?

[@TeddyBoyTalks]

@@Dutchbrother07Jesus is the most influential name in human history and it’s in fact not entirely close or up for debate. There’s also more evidence for Jesus than any other ancient figure in human history outside of the work of the Bible. Many historians talked about him. Up to you with what you wanna do with Jesus but don’t act like He was pulled out of thin air. Nahhh there’s evidence to his existence and the claims of his followers. He lived, and it’s spread like wildfire that he rose, people died for that claim. Don’t let your bias against religion take away from the evidence of Jesus.

[@Ng-zg4dq]

Whats this interview?

[@freemn2239]

I’m tryna find it too

[@ParagonPKC]

I was assigned a section of this book at my high school, I was changed when I learned about the crucifixion and how Jesus' medial nerve was crushed, the same nerve that makes your "funny bone". Still sends me shivers.

[@tristenwilliams1943]

⁠ It is the fact of who Christ claimed to be that makes his resurrection so important. Without the resurrection we have no hope, Paul says. But Jesus claimed to be God himself, and the true son of the Father. He lived a perfect life, healed the sick, and raised the dead. In his passion and death he was willing and compliant, he offered no defense of himself or put up any fight. He carried his own cross. He even prayed forgiveness for those who crucified him. He was a perfect sacrifice, God’s love poured out for us. His resurrection is his true vindication, that he was who he said he was. If just anybody rose from the dead, I’d be pretty shocked. But if THAT guy rose from the dead… I’m taking up my cross and following him.

[@cc3775]

Jesus NEVER claimed to be God. Stop regurgitating nonsense that you learn in church. Jesus calls the Father the ONLY true God.

[@marcoantonioherrera625]

@@cc3775 “I and the Father are one” John 10:30

[@notcorey777]

@@cc3775 there’s dozens of verses in the gospels of Jesus claiming to be god. This is just admitting you’ve never read it

[@cc3775]

@@notcorey777 no there’s not. Jesus tells us about his God, who is the Father.

[@notcorey777]

@@cc3775 John 8:58 “Before Abraham was, I am”, John 10:30 “I and my Father are one”, Mark 2:5 he forgives someone’s sins, John 17:5 “Father, bring me into glory we shared before the world began”, John 8:12 “I am the light of the world, if you follow me you won’t have to walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life”. And these are just some examples

[@SamIRIZARRY84]

Would love to see Joe have a discussion with someone a little closer to the field of study on this one. But I love to see Chris take an interest. Never thought I’d see him exploring this topic

[@conorobrien5704]

What JRE episode is this plz

[@sandras-gl9zb]

For we walk by faith, not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7

[@itslightanddark]

Yes. Because it’s irrational epistemic depravity which can’t survive in the mind of a critical thinker.

[@Mountainimtheclouds]

@@itslightanddark Spoken like a true Godless atheist. You claim it's so "irrational" and yet God is literally written into the American Constitution that you and your family have prospered in. God and faith is literally written on the dollar bill and coins that you have used thousands of times in your life. You claim it's "epistemic depravity" and yet you would never have the guts to move to an atheist-majority nation like NK, China or any others. Put your money where you mouth is, tough guy... we are waiting.

[@Tomonaroma1221]

@@itslightanddark Spoken like a true lost and Godless individual. I'll pray for you!

[@cbr274]

@@Tomonaroma1221 Actually I’ll stuff some cereal in a sock and throw it in the ocean for him. Don’t worry, it will have the exact same effect

[@jrgvsqz]

Paul never knew Jesus. His brother James who did called him out on his false gospel

[@Highnz57]

Joe's gonna try to debunk it all without knowing anything about it. "People were dumb back then. They probably ate some poison frogs on accident and then hallucinated everything..."

[@dyl7729]

Nah he’s past a lot of those ideologies he’s warming to the idea of it but he’s still to fully come to terms with it

[@repealthepatriotact]

He doesn't have to debunk it. These delusional weirdos come on his show and he lets them talk and make fools of themselves, then asks a few common sense questions to make them look even stupider, then laughs about it later.

[@laza6141]

People are still dumb , have you heard of Mormons or Muslim dudes who will blow themselves up because they are convinced that their Holy Book is true and yours is wrong ?

[@Luke-eu5vn]

Funny thing is people think we're smarter than people back then. Have you not seen how retarded the world has become, we can operate smart phones.

[@oceandrop7666]

Which is way way way more plausible than anything written in the Bible.

[@NathanCooCoo]

It’s alarming how easily people believe old stories.

[@jaimeibarra8210]

Would love to see Gary Habermas, or J Warner Wallace on JRE!

[@daltonsonnier6870]

the tomb was also guarded by roman guards, Jesus definitely had a resurrection.

[@jameshynes-jn5zo]

According to the Bible, of course.

[@Threaldaveoss]

​@@jameshynes-jn5zoAnd a few hundred historical witnesses.

[@goochmagoo3293]

@@Threaldaveosswho were probably lying

[@joemuscarella2986]

Human witnesses are the most unrelaiable sources ​@@Threaldaveoss

[@sachalg5720]

ok and how do you explain that the rock was rolled on its side that angels were inside that women were there too but no Roman is ever mentioned, I imagine that they were on break precisely at the time when Jesus resurrects...😂

[@billanderson1965]

Matthew actually wrote his gospel first hand as well and John writing his. Luke was written not by Luke the disciple but by Luke the author of Acts who took down the accounts on the blessings and testimony of the apostles and Paul. Mark was written by Mark after the Church of Rome begged him and Peter to write down the teachings and story of Christs ministry after refuting Simon the Sorcerer and preaching in Rome. I encourage anyone willing to take the time to read Eusebius, the historian of Constantine.

[@NathanD.-yo8zg]

The Gospels were written anonymously between 70-150ad. Matthew copied Mark verbatim. So why would an eyewitness copy a non-eywitness? The author of John doesn't claim to be an eyewitness, as none of the Gospels do. He claims to be writing testimony from "the one who Jesus loved" but never says his name. The average life expectancy was 48, so virtually no eyewitnesses would have still been alive by the time Luke was written, let alone John. Etc etc

[@anon9060]

​​@@NathanD.-yo8zg Well you have to keep in mind that these were biographies written by amatuer Jewish writers from the first century to spread the "good news" to the Jews and the gentiles and as far as they go they're all pretty consistent within one another. Especially Luke and the second book recorded by Luke, Acts.

[@billywithnomandy4159]

​@anon9060 why would anyone believe a jew. They are the biggest liars on earth.

[@luke9747]

The Gospel of John is written by John the beloved disciple. He writes it about himself. He was the disciple who lay on Jesus chest at the last supper. He was the only apostle to not abandon the Lord during His passion and he stood at the foot of the cross. It was him that the Lord gave his mother to to take into his own home. Peter asked the Lord when John should be killed and He said it does not concern him but that it would be later and he would not be a martyr. And it was true, John the beloved died in Exile about the year 99 ad. While in Exile he wrote the book of revelation (or called the book of the apocalypse). Luke was the assistant of Paul and he wrote the gospel of Luke as well as acts. They are one book, but are split apart to keep it shorter. Matthew mentions he was an eyewitness and he saw Jesus taken away in the garden of Gethsemane

[@fliellerenterprises1198]

Read the book yourself. Lee Strobel, an attorney and journalist, does a magnificent job researching the historicity of Jesus, and then making a case for Jesus. Additionally, I highly recommend his books, The Case for Faith and The Case for Grace as must reads as well. I believe they are three chapters in a single study of the case for Christianity.

[@matthewscott4744]

Luke 16:31 (KJV) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

[@thecagedunicorn]

I understand that believing in an all knowing all powerful creator takes a big leap of faith, but doesn’t the belief in existence without such a creator take just as big of a leap? I’ve heard many of the arguments of how this has all come to pass without a creator, but they all seem just as implausible as the giant spaghetti monster creating all things does.

[@MrWatsuputube]

Yes both are just as crazy , the difference is science tries to explain how it came to be , religion tries to explain why it came to be.

[@connorhlane]

The faith as it is statistically has a one in a million chance of being right. Saying there is no God is one half. That aside, you are right to say that many atheists are as ideological and dogmatic if not more in their atheism than Christians in their Christianity. The enlightened man would claim he does not know until one way or the other a stance is proven.

[@stretfordender11]

You can believe in a creator or creators of the universe without believing Jesus was the son of God.

[@mattr.1887]

Good post. The fact that anything exists at all is a decent argument for a God of some kind. (Not proof - just an argument.) But I don't see how you get from that to the Bible is the sole and inerrant word of God.

[@thecagedunicorn]

@@stretfordender11true. But if you can wrap your brain around the possibility of a divine creator, then the plausibility of everything in the Bible isn’t quite so far fetched. If a creator can speak the universe into existence, then He can have a man get swallowed by a fish, or have a donkey speak or have any of the seemingly impossible things included therein occur.

[@chadhendershot3519]

God is really and Jesus Christ is coming back 🙏

[@erikbakker1639]

Dude, grow up

[@sachalg5720]

That's your claim now provide conclusive evidences...

[@repealthepatriotact]

Nope. All debunked. Where have you been the last few years??

[@brandonwhitehead2856]

Just the name brings the scoffers and demons out lol. Keep reminding everyone of the truth brother.

[@repealthepatriotact]

@@brandonwhitehead2856 LOL. No it doesn't. My sister is a hardcore holy roller and she is so infested with dark entities it 's ridiculous. And what about all the murder and child molestation that has been done and is still being done by church leaders? Now that I've reminded everyone of the truth brother, are we good?

[@joshredding9588]

The claim that the Roman’s and the priests said His followers robbed the tomb solidifies the fact the tomb was empty. Pilate placed about 100 soldiers outside the tomb to guard it. They had to come up with a plausible explanation of why the tomb was empty, thus confirming Christs body was resurrected!

[@CS4JS]

I read this book recently. It’s incredible. Just a little disappointed it never mentioned the shroud of Turin.

[@Srs-zb5qx]

Left out the Roman guards that fled the tomb knowing that if they left there post they would be executed but where frighten so they fled there post. What made them fear a dead man more than ceaser?

[@repealthepatriotact]

They didn't. The story is a proven lie.

[@Srs-zb5qx]

@@repealthepatriotact prove it

[@Daniel-du5ly]

@@Srs-zb5qx can you prove that this happened? evidence?

[@Srs-zb5qx]

@@Daniel-du5ly you have eye witness testimony, you have Roman investigation records, historians documentation. U have people worshipping christ when the Roman Empire made that a death sentence and no one recanted even unto death. Non of them took back that Christ is the son of God who died and was resurrected. Not a single one. Now prove that it’s not real. Your the one who said it’s made up and is proven a false story. History begs to differ. You know A.D is short Anno Domini (the year of the lord). And B.C stands for before Christ. How did one man separate history? What made him so important that we marked that time and use that as a measurement for history? Also pilot people said never existed yet we found records of a pilot who lived in the times of Jesus and guess what? His records go with what the Bible stated. Do you know how many ancient city’s were found by using the Bible?

[@Srs-zb5qx]

@@Daniel-du5ly yes I can, historians, non of the eye witness recanted there testimony even unto death by ceaser. As well A.D is short for the year of the lord as well as BC stands for before Christ. How can one man who lived for 30 something years break the time line up to be remembered as well as have such a hold over the entire world…. Ask yourself how

[@yourintrouble6296]

The earliest gospels were written 40 years after Christs ascension. We know this because they miss out essential events such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70AD, which means it hadn’t happened yet. Three of the main gospels were based on earlier documents known as ‘Q’ which were probably written just after his ascension. The earliest copy we have is a scrap of the gospel of Mark dating from the end of the 1st century. In terms of historical evidence this is mind blowing. We absolutely can trust the New Testament.

[@alexandergroth3398]

I'd say you can have a certain degree of confidence that the gospels were written relatively soon after Jesus's death and that the translations we have today are consistent with the earliest FULL copies written around 360 AD. What passes as trustworthy or reliable differs from person to person, but for me, I think it's highly plausible that today's translations could very well differ from the original writing. There is almost a 300 year gap between the time it was written and our earliest full copy. That's just questioning the reliability of the transmission, let alone questioning the original stories themselves.

[@NiRaSis]

I dont know if the guest went on to say this later but the chief priests and elders came up with the theory of the body being stolen and they paid off the soldiers guarding the tomb to tell that story but also told the soldiers it would protect them from being in trouble with the governor.

[@AB-ks3iw]

Every time we say what year it is, we are acknowledging the life and death of Jesus Christ

[@unssh2580]

How did they come up with the number "500 people corroborated seeing Jesus alive three days later?" Can anybody corroborate that 500 people corroborated that Jesus was alive walking around?

It comes from 1 Corinthians 15:6. Paul wrote, "Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep"

[@repealthepatriotact]

Nope. All lies. And Paul of Tarsus was a known liar and opportunist who never met Jesus or anyone that knew him except for the disciples, apparently, who were going to kill him for spreading his lies unless he stopped.

[@stretfordender11]

So just from the bible written by people decades and hundreds of yrs after. Not sure that’s enough evidence is it

[@Dutchbrother07]

Weird how it happened to be an exact round number like that. You would almost think a kid just threw out that number

[@mattr.1887]

What we have is one claim that 500 people saw him. Not 500 separate claims.

[@dovahkyle]

The video cut off right when you get to the main argument. Many people have died for false religions, that they THOUGHT was true. NOBODY willingly dies for a religion they know is false. Almost every disciple was martyred because of their faith in Jesus’ resurrection. Why would they do that if they knew it wasn’t true?

[@lonewanderer_n7]

I’ll just always forever struggle with the “you’re not supposed to feel anything” part about believing. I’m a pretty logical person I think so if it’s not something you’re supposed to feel inside you then I’m just having to…well..have faith. It’s just the concept of faith itself is a struggle for me to grasp. Someone gave me an analogy a while back about this and said, “you have faith that when you get in your car that it will drive you to your destination” and basically tried comparing that to having faith in an omnipotent being that created everything and everyone and I’m just supposed to swallow that pill and move on??? Idk…this will be something I battle with forever. I constantly go back and forth thinking I “finally fully believe”…and then time passes and I lose all the faith and start over.

[@fatdoggolovespizza]

Part of the journey, my friend! Just remember to always try and come back when you feel you should, try to pray when you can, read the word when you can. Keep listening, and eventually you'll find your way with His grace guiding you. Prayers with you brother.

[@bradleygonzalez1160]

All glory to King Jesus! Found a Rescued not Arrested Bible in county jail. He changed my life and healed my family ! Jesus is Lord Jesus Saves!

[@gilliland101]

Recently opened my heart to Christ again. I went to Church off and on my whole life, but never felt the presence of the Holy Spirit until recently. It’s an amazing and beautiful gift that I hope all who open their heart to him feel

[@Skeluz]

Did you compare all religions and denominations before you decided...or? Many people check different manufacturers, reviews, unboxings and compare prices before buying a TV. Funny how something like deciding which walk of life that determines weather you live in an eternity in heaven or hell is just based out of culture, convincing or convenience. I mean, this decision has huge ramifications based on if one can convince the rest of ones family, otherwise they will... wait. And this question to you will probably only be called a test from god by you or your peers. The strangest part of it all is that the test is not to actually to do any sort of testing, probing and careful selection, but to read more into the specific texts or talk to more peers that the current selected religion has to offer. We humans are a funny bunch.

[@luke9747]

​@@Skeluz faith is supernatural!

[@gilliland101]

@@Skeluz​​⁠​​⁠​⁠I wouldn’t say I’m tied to any religion or denomination, I simply have a relationship with Jesus Christ. I prayed, and it was answered very quick and precisely. Being 100% sober, I could feel him. I can’t describe it to you, but those that I once called crazy know what I’m talking about. I was then attacked shortly after, the devil showed himself to me, and never in my life have I been more disgusted with the things I saw. There are many false teachings that people cling to, and try to force upon others, and I feel many people get it wrong. Accepting Jesus as your savior, repenting when you know you’ve sinned, and be genuine about it. Sin is eternal, but it is our duty for those that know the path to then walk it as best as we can. God judges firmly but fairly. You will be measured by the weight of your heart. I can’t tell you who will go to heaven or hell, and I can try to open the door for people, but it is ultimately their choice. I mean, even if so, how does living an eternity with a man whose love for you will never be fully understood sound so bad to anyone?

[@brandongarland]

Praise God!

[@Polycubism]

@@Skeluz 2x + 1 = 7 If i find out that x = 3, that means I can rule out every other number. In the same vein, once you find the one true God you can rule all other things out without having to do some deep analysis on every religion ever created. Imagine telling someone "well you havent tried every number for that equation so how could you possibly know you have the right answer"

[@calebdesjardins616]

The book is incredible. I’ve read it, they don’t just talk about all of the historical evidence. There’s the archeological evidence, history, historiography/archival, psychological, medical evidences, cultural, language, prophecies being fulfilled by Jesus written hundreds of years earlier. It’s really good and I wouldn’t just take this conversation as an accurate representation

[@x.0.x.]

No matter how much I pray he ignores my cries...I'm running out of hope and time against my mental health. I don't have other options. I'm against the wall and don't know what to do.

[@russellm785]

I really don’t like this “convincing of atheist” based on “this n that track.” One finds their faith and belief in Christ on their own and indulging in frivolous debates feels sacrilegious. Those who are faithful live and let those who aren’t find their way

[@theencouragingcommunity7485]

*the disciples began to write the New Testament 20 years after HIS death, not 100 years after !!*

[@caleb6048]

Just read the book, Joe. Every single question you’ve ever raised and objection I’ve ever heard you give is addressed at length in the book.

[@mmafreaks4871]

interesting I have many questions that crazy book does not address. example, If I witness a man killing a child, was that act immoral? I mean would if god commanded it be done, does it then become moral? and is your answer just your personal subjective view of what you think god is doing or wants done... trust me my friend, you just are not thinking deeply about these things.

[@cadealexander4432]

I’m so blessed to be saved by the Lord. Joe needs to watch Randy Kay’s testimony videos. I got saved by watching the NDE testimonies on his channel. The famous “Amazing Grace” song sums up being saved. You don’t realize how blind you were until you surrender all of your pride and realize how much Jesus loves you. In that moment you’ll want to ask the Lord to truly forgive you because of His massive love for us by willingly shedding His blood on the cross for us and defeating hell by resurrecting on the 3rd day. You’ll be filled with the Holy Spirit and feel so light afterwards. I remember seeing everything so differently and literally felt like I was born again just like Jesus mentions in John 3. It felt like getting out of the matrix is the best way I can describe it 😂. This world is so massively influenced by Satan it’s unreal.

[@repealthepatriotact]

My friend had an NDE and he told me he received answers and understandings that made it impossible for him to believe in Jesus or any religion.

[@keymind117]

​@@repealthepatriotactWhat was your friends NDE like?

[@GloryToFatherSonHolySpirit]

The Lord Jesus Christ Is Alive forevermore amen.❤

[@alexgarcia1709]

Christ is the living God and the son of God 🫡

[@vincentvega5686]

@@alexgarcia1709jesus is the son of thor?

[@adakhozgaming6391]

Where's the original video link

[@rakchazak4672]

The Bible wasn’t written 100 years after things happened, those were the first partial manuscripts written or copies, full manuscripts (copies)were something like 170 years after. Also Roman soldiers were guarding the tomb that had the Roman seal. Break the Roman seal and it’s the death sentence.

[@Threaldaveoss]

There was also historical graffiti found around the 30 to 70 AD mark speaking about Jesus and the crucifixion.

[@repealthepatriotact]

Actually yes, it has been proven that most of the stories in the Old Testament were plagiarized from other civilizations, or written many years after some Jewish history occurred. Then, most of the New Testament was written 70-90 years after the purported events in Greece, with some books written by the Flavian scholars many years after the events, and there are no other historical texts that support the claims. NONE. All the documents supporting the claims have been debunked as fictional works or outright fraud, such as that ridiculous "Acta Pilate" nonsense.

[@GiasJulii]

One issue if you read Pilots letter to Caesar on Jesus he states the opposite. That Rome has nothing to fear from him he preaches against the corruption of his own people not against Rome. He even quotes his give into Caesar what is Caesar’s line. He clearly dislikes the people against Jesus though and puts them into three camps that all want Jesus dead.

[@Under-Kaoz]

It was a forged letter, even the vatican said so. They gain nothing by denying evidence for Jesus' existence. It was a London newspaper, written by bias Christians, that claimed it was true despite the Vatican already refuting it. It was found in Liverpool, over a thousand years aftee Jesus, in absurdly good condition. Just like the many of fake Pilate's letters. Churches/Priests/Pastors were known to fake them so they had "proof" of the first good friday, or easter sunday. Then all the 🐑 would go to that church and pay tithe because of the fake documents.

[@TheLizardOfOz]

_"Pilots letter to Caesar on Jesus "_ What letter? None of Pilate's writings have ever been found. You might be thinking about Pliny's letter to the Emperor Trajan regarding the practices of Christians. But it doesn't refer to Jesus at all, merely his followers.

[@GiasJulii]

@@TheLizardOfOz No actually there is reportedly a letter found in Byzantium (a 4th century copy of the original by the author) that was written by Pilot to Caesar, though I will admit many thinks it a 4th century fake and not a copy. I will say I have a degree in roman military history, and we learned about it in class, but my teacher also clearly stated that there is no way to authenticate it. I personally think that it has a good reason to be real but as will all things i try to be honest and have to admit i have no real proof. I do know of the letter you mention and yes they only talk of his followers not him personally.

[@TheLizardOfOz]

​@@GiasJulii Thanks for that info - I'd not heard of it before. From what I've read so far, it seems that most scholars reject its authenticity. The fact that it was addressed to Claudius, who didn't take the throne until a decade or so after Jesus' death, & some time after Pilate left Palestine, seems to throw doubt on its veracity.

[@GiasJulii]

@@TheLizardOfOz yeah like I said story has some holes in it.

[@Bea54694]

“Everyone agrees…haters…Roman’s” lmfao even Jesus haters were like “you got us with that one”

[@gutika113]

“Alexander the greats biographies were written closer to his life time” means nothing when you consider that the things we KNOW about Alexander we know because they were historical events that were catalogued independently by many historians in many different countries his armies visited. Jesus’ entire story takes place a relatively small area geographically, and most of it takes place in Palestine / Israel

[@_presbeuo_m4773]

Well. He's at least trying to convey the story. FYI, Jews did write the Bible, it wasn't just oral tradition. In fact, Moses wrote the entire first 5 books. I am glad at least Joe is listening.....

[@icalloutthenerds]

Any proof of these claims?

[@bdawg-qj9bq]

No he didn’t. Numerous people wrote genesis and Moses never existed. Religious archaeologists have been searching for any evidence of Moses for over a hundred years and have found nothing.

[@_presbeuo_m4773]

@icalloutthenerds the burden of proof is on you my friend. Jesus is real, He is Risen and lives forever more. Jesus quoted Moses as the author. That's enough for me.

[@icalloutthenerds]

@@_presbeuo_m4773 what was his proof for such claims? Any proof he is risen and lives?

[@forkthepork]

@@_presbeuo_m4773 You have it backward. The onus is on the person making the outrageous claim, not on the sceptic.

[@pullitupjamie810]

The telephone theory is literally laughable. If you have to reach soooo far to defend something, it leaves lots of questions.

[@fightlikabrave]

Its also laughable b/c its irrelevant as they actually DID write..

[@kickasskris]

@@fightlikabraveindeed. I don’t know where he got that from. Ever heard of the Dead Sea scrolls?? Pretty sure that was writing and not a comic strip. 🤷‍♂️ I think ultimately he was trying to communicate a point from the book and just not doing a very good job of it. Joe should have Lee Stroebel on the show if he wants accurate answers to his questions.

[@simonbrown1486]

Have a read of the book. Lee Strobel was a skeptic and non-believer when he started investigating and he was born-again by the end of it.

[@ErockAlliance]

Council of Nicea they took out a lot of stuff that would have a believer look more within than looking to an outside god

[@mattjones2375]

I like the Alexander the Great comparison because he was also believed to be born of a virgin. This is a supernatural claim that christians would only want to attribute to Jesus. Hitchens once said something like, "Is it more likely that the laws of nature have been suspended in your favor or that a girl has told a lie"

[@Gridironwarplans]

Jesus Christ saved my life. The experience of finding faith is a mind blowing trip-like experience. It’s unbelievable

[@kgebhardt1187]

Amen!

[@oceandrop7666]

Ignorance is bliss is a phrase for a reason.

[@AverageReflexes]

Some people still believe Chris Angel’s magic is real

[@Alyons97]

All the gospels were written less than 80 years after his resurrection. Mark was written like 20 years later

[@sypher515]

hats down to Joe for not laughing at this! i almost pissed myself listening to this

[@Under-Kaoz]

Right off the bat, using a strawman argument to make proof is an age old cultist tactic.

[@jd229]

Where did he use a strawman argument?

[@Under-Kaoz]

@@jd229 If I have to point it out, then you're being purposefully obtuse to try and start an argument for your bias.

[@courtneymellinger7540]

The Roman soldiers that were guarding the tomb were paid off by the chief priests, told to lie and say that the disciples stole the body. Matthew 28:11-15. They all knew what happened.

[@TheLizardOfOz]

There's no evidence for that. There's no evidence that Jesus was buried. Crucified bodies were generally left on the cross or thrown into the garbage dump. The whole idea was to treat them with contempt - the dignity of a tomb goes against the whole purpose of crucifixion.

[@ramigilneas9274]

Isn’t it strange that Matthew is the ONLY one who mentions that there were guards at the tomb? Almost as if he made up those details to counter the obvious explanation that someone removed the body.😂

[@magicker8052]

jesus was almost certainly thrown to wild animals or buried in a pit with the other criminals. No reason the Romans would make an exception

[@Kevin-nr9hp]

@@ramigilneas9274that doesn’t disprove anything. Calling the writer Matthew a liar isn’t a strong argument

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@Kevin-nr9hp He is also the ONLY one who mentions the risen jewish saints who appeared to many people. So the other gospel authors who wrote before and after him apparently didn’t know about it or didn’t think that it was important enough to mention. But of course the most likely explanation that even most Christian historians agree with is that Matthew made it up.😉

[@jameskulevich8907]

Alexander the Great is recorded in our country/culture’s history.

[@MankindFilm]

It’s also not hard to believe, there is no claims Alexander the Great walked on water or got resurrected haha. I have zero issues accepting ATG was a person, I have issues with claims that was someone breaking physical laws.

[@bethanndavis115]

Why would all the disciples die , brutally be killed, for a lie?

[@andrewpirr]

Glory to Jesus Christ

[@Under-Kaoz]

glory to Hephaestus

[@magicker8052]

Glory to klombadrov

[@repealthepatriotact]

Glory to the lies of religion.

[@kensteel9872]

You dont die a horrible death for a lie

[@Bayhuntr]

Actually that’s been completely debunked, so you won’t want to watch this. He very thoroughly and completely blows it out of the water. “You don’t die for a lie” of course they do especially if they were made up in the first place or you have people that want them to be greater than the live they lived so they make up stories. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpulZaR9iNyZiZYsi=4YOOxNsaNbTr_zaA

[@TheLizardOfOz]

Ah yes, the Myth of the Martyrs. Any evidence it happened? (Hint: no, there's none.)

[@dewiwilliams4821]

Millions did in WW1 and WW2. People dying in Ukraine and Middle East over lies as I type.

[@Alieth]

Many Muslims have blown themselves up for their religion, does that mean their beliefs are correct?

[@TsRandomVideosofTroyAnthony]

Ever heard of heavens gate? Jones town?

[@Beardsandbars]

There’s no way literally every single disciple (besides John) would go through the pain and torture they did if all they had to do was say ‘yeah, we stole his body, here it is’.

[@ArmenChakmakian]

He forgot to mention that the Romans put two guards on both sides of the sealed Tomb. So robbing, the tomb would’ve been impossible.

[@Kevin-vf7um]

Jesus discovered Mexico

[@adammichael811]

lol, k

[@Under-Kaoz]

Hail Zeus, as his name comes from.

[@JC-du6sn]

Look up Within Heaven's Gates by Rebecca Springer.😇

[@JC-du6sn]

​@@Under-KaozLook up Within Heaven's Gates by Rebecca Springer 😇

[@repealthepatriotact]

I think the Mayans would disagree.

[@DanFedMusic]

You won't find too many Bible scholars who will tell you that the Bible isn't one of the most accurate documents ever produced, whether people believe or not, because of how much work went into writing and copying.

[@repealthepatriotact]

WHAT???? When confronted by credentialed historians and other scholars, biblical scholars have agreed that it is, in fact, largely plagiarized with many fictional stories that cannot be verified with any evidence, both the Old and New Testaments. There is a sliver of Jewish history that has been proven, but that's it. Were you home-schooled??

[@Dutchbrother07]

Hmmm people that are biased towards believing in the Bible believe the Bible?! That’s crazy bro

[@DanFedMusic]

That's presuming that all Bible scholars are religious people, that's actually not the case though.

[@Dutchbrother07]

@@DanFedMusic bible scholars are overwhelmingly religious. This might come as a shock to you but atheists aren’t clamoring to study theology. Theological scholars tend to be aspiring priests

[@DanFedMusic]

Your viewpoint poses a problem though, because then we could say most scientists are atheist which i'm sure most atheist would claim so then we could say there's a confirmation bias and of course we're going to say there's a peer review but the same problem still exists. There are scholars who study the Bible from an academic, cultural, historical And literary standpoint whether we could say they're overwhelmingly one way or the other regarding religious or non-religious, I don't think would be honest.

[@jtgoat9810]

The fact that the nativity stories contradict each other is enough to tell you that the people writing the Bible did not have literal intent in mind when they were writing the Bible. No one debates that Jesus of Nazareth existed. It’s very clear that there were many different views on Jesus in the early church.

[@Chap_McCoy]

“Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” John 20:29. Jesus says this to Thomas, one of the Twelve, after Thomas doubts the risen Lord's appearance.

[@richpiano2465]

Joe needs to get a Theologian like John Barnett, John MacArthur, David Guznik or even Sam Shamoun on.

[@Under-Kaoz]

What, so they can push more propaganda without proof.

[@Bayhuntr]

Are any of those theologians not selling the theology they believe in? Maybe in addition to them he should have an atheist who is an expert on theology? Do you think all those other theologist can survive the free flow of information? I don’t think so.

[@TheLizardOfOz]

Bart Ehrman would be a better choice.

[@cc3775]

😂 Sam Shamoun! He is no theologian. I wouldn’t recommend him to anyone.

[@alexatedw]

Conspiracy is the right word…

[@matthewray5954]

So you believe that Jesus is a conspiracy theory?

[@alexatedw]

@@matthewray5954 yes regardless of how it went down the resurrection was a conspiracy. That is, multiple people conspired to make it happen

[@colsugarbottom3627]

I recommend Why We're Catholic by Trent Horn. its very good

[@patrickg.1170]

They could “write”. They didn’t have printers. They had “copiests”. Men that was charged with copying the OT Scripts.

[@kosmicglo710]

Do i think Jesus existed yes. Am i convinced that he is God and I should worship him, No. I think all religion is a creation of man. If you need to be told what to believe in order for you to be content, thats fine, but as much as I try I cant resonate with it. I think he embodied great ideals and principles that can be used to better ones life. Every religion has one of these characters.

[@johndavis7273]

You should consider reading the book he is talking about. It is really interesting. I have read it a couple of times.

[@andrewpirr]

Lol

[@Under-Kaoz]

Whoever the bible is based on, was definitely not called Jesus in the first place. In fact, the Spanish bible is more closely translated properly. Heyzeus came from Hail Zeus. Everything Christian, was just stolen from other religions and beliefs. Hell is never mentioned in the old testament by name. They just oh so coincidentally named the worst place ever, full of eternal suffering, after Rome's #1 enemy. Greece, which used to be called Hellas, before renaming to the Hellenic Republic. Romans were masters of propaganda.

[@Bayhuntr]

Instead of reading a book a couple times why don’t you expand your reading and read something like The Greatest Show on Earth or The God Delusion, see if your belief can withstand challenge without hiding from it. and demonstrates you can take your own advice.

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@johndavis7273 And then read The Case against the Case for Christ by Robert Price. He debunks the entire book.