The Broken Top Tiers of JoJo: Heritage for the Future

[@wistfulanthophila9317]

kakyoin is so good his only losing matchup is story mode

[@jerrygoodman1943]

Bruh

[@Kormeam]

😢

[@EnderGoku9001]

💀💀

[@ghoulbuster1]

Kakyoin is so good the author had to kill him to avoid total world RERORERORERO

[@PASTELXENON]

​@@ghoulbuster1 this is such an awful unfunny comment im surprised it was made in 2024 and not 2017

[@Zhanto-j5d]

i love it when polnareff holds down for two seconds and i have to guess or die

[@Zhanto-j5d]

also pol air buttons are best in class and annoying as fuck

[@Zorothegallade-rpg]

Truly Guile's long lost brother

[@Somebody374-bv8cd]

The best (and funniest) part about Vanilla ice's moves for me was that they made him KICKING IGGY in the manga into a super move. It's bloody damn hilarious.

[@okitsqwerty]

Glad someone else picked up on the reason Pol is a charge character

[@MrMixtape]

I brought it up to a friend back when we were grinding HFTF and he was like "holy shit you might be right" lmao

[@HEHEHE_I_AM_A_MASKED_WARRIA]

Shooting Star also resembles Vega's Sky High Claw, so there's that.

[@Glarfugus]

as a renowned hftf expert (person who learned one jotaro bnb and got called the n-word by the first fightcade opponent i landed it on), i think dio's legendary difficulty is worthy of its own study. i legitimately can't comprehend how anyone consistently hits dio combos, and i respect them a lot for it, even when I'm landing a TOD on them because they accidentally threw me. (genuinely tho love the hftf videos good work)

[@jxff2000]

“person who learned one Jotaro bnb and got called the n-word by the first fightcade opponent I landed it on” Yep. Seems about right 😂😂😂

[@glacierwolf2155]

> Got called the n-word for being good at a fighting game. Yep, the FGC experience.

[@Wayte13]

So basically the Stands have their canonical relative power levels lol. Also unironically impressed they managed to make a move that gets punished on hit. I had to rewatch that bit on Dio's throw twice cause I thought I misunderstood

[@stealthy9156]

The move is punishable because they made it so you can air tech out of it way too early, if you don't tech I'm pretty sure it's a hard knockdown like every throw. To make sure you could react and tech it even at the age of 60 they were generous enough to turn the entire game gray when dio grabs you

[@Lunar_Atronach]

my fav "punish on hit" move is mina from samsho 5 who has a move which is not only punish on hit but also MORE MINUS ON HIT THEN BLOCK? before you think "oh, maybe its for blockstrings or something" NO 1: blockstrings arent really real in samsho 2: she's a zoner and this is a close move. agony

[@Brass319]

@@Lunar_Atronach My personal favorite is Ky's needle spike from guilty gear missing link. It's a _frame 8 overhead_ that's -28 on block and -27 on hit, in a game where a character not having an infinite or whose infinite is difficult to perform is considered a downside rather than the presence of one being an upside. Genius.

[@Lunar_Atronach]

@@Brass319 oh god missing link. i just remove it from my mind when thinking of wierd moves cause like, every move is a wierd messed up move in missing link

[@PetshopFromFortnite]

Amazing section on petshop. It’s common for people to spread incorrect info on what makes petshop banned so I’m glad you did him justice.

[@MrMixtape]

Thank you!

[@PetshopFromFortnite]

@@MrMixtapeno no thank you! I have been maining petshop for close to a year now and it drives me insane to hear what people say about him without actually doing their research, Both in fightcade lobbies and KZbin videos. So it’s rare for people to actually read the supercombo page.

[@MrMixtape]

@@PetshopFromFortnite well I'm glad I can help clarify that. I've also encountered a fair share of misinformation from people who don't know much about the character beyond the fact that he's banned from tournaments lol

[@GarethXL]

bruh i'm not sure what you're talking about, he literally listed everything everyone say thats a problem with petshop 1) icicle 2) flies on a small hurt box 3) gain meter easily to spam super

[@PetshopFromFortnite]

@@GarethXL your fucking stupid. Just saying icicles is a problem when the root of his problems come from his hitgrab Enders and screen control not just unblockables. For his hitbox and ability to fly is fucking stupid because believe it or not most lows DONT wiff on petshop and flying just flat sucks most of the time because you can’t block and you get tech chased. And finally for the “spam super” you clearly don’t play this game.

[@ppthebiggest]

forgot to mention that shadow dio has most of his tools working on petshop(including his entire loop string that can give you up to 70% on average hp characters) so hes one of the few characters that have 5:5 or even favorable matchup with the bird

[@kingstondaking7877]

2 homestuck pfps under the same video is INSANE

[@ppthebiggest]

@@kingstondaking7877 the sad fact is that ive seen even more people in fgc with homestuck pfps

[@LuwiigiMaster]

I would genuinely love to see high level play of Pet Shop against Kakyoin (the best character in the game) and S. Dio (the only character with a favorable match up against him).

[@ppthebiggest]

@@LuwiigiMaster nah nobody plays the bird bc its ultimately quite boring to be that strong

[@MaytayMaya]

Can't believe you made a top tier video and forgot to include the three S++ tiers: Khan, Mariah and Hoingo

[@MrMixtape]

They were just too good for me to be able to put their strengths into words for a video.

[@WikiHL]

Dude, each one of them is worth their own 30 minutes video

[@-RandomStranger-]

Nothing can deflect the Khancopter splash!

[@thebaseandtriflingcreature174]

Thoth is never wrong ‼️📖🗣️

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Seriously though, they sound really fun

[@HFTFBiLL]

The Only reason Avdol isn't Top 1 in the game is because his Ankh Ghosting Glitch is Hard banned across casual play, If used he becomes unbearable and makes the game actually unplayable.

[@NeutralDrow]

So what I'm getting is...if N'Doul hadn't blindsided (double ha) Kakyoin when they got to Egypt, he'd have wiped the goddamn _floor_ with DIO.

[@thebaseandtriflingcreature174]

"I don't even NEED a 20 meter wife emerald splash, I've set up THREE nets around me DIO, what will you do now?"

[@LotteLattes]

Dio: well I'll just stop ti- Kakyoin: that. don't. WORK ain't no way outta this one.. you're done

[@LuwiigiMaster]

Vanilla Ice is interesting - he is technically a 'weapon Stand user' like Chaka, Alessi, and Joseph, but unlike them, he has a tandem instead of a custom combo.

[@elgordobondiola]

How would he be a weapon stand? He gets the airdash, chip immunity, knockdown immunity and the tandem.

[@ppthebiggest]

@@elgordobondiola chip and knockdown immunities are universal for all active stand characters. him being a "weapon stand" means that his stand is not a separate entity beside him in s.on, unlike, for example, jot.

[@Anticssc]

I mean his stand IS a separate entity and also a humanoid stand, he just gets it to eat him when he summons it

[@Richtr8]

honestly, this is a pretty good promotion for the game's scene - it addresses the most scary topic about the game foremostly. after being told about petshop making this game unplayable, i'm gonna flash this onto my CPS3 & give it a shot

[@Cosplaybuddygiraffes]

The three top tier gods of the Jojo fighting game: High school boy with spiderweb ability, literally just a falcon with icicles, and goon of the main villain with an absurdly broken ability. All of these characters die canonically Notably NOT within the pantheon of the strongest characters: The actual main villain who is a time stopping vampire with monstrous strength This game is so funny I love it

[@CrowFGC]

I remember when Kakyoin wasn’t banned, and I mained him LMAO

[@gavinrak2692]

I haven't watched anything on hftf in years so it was pretty surprising to see him on the same tier as pet shop

[@Bubbble_Bear]

​@@gavinrak2692After playing some UNI I was surprised he wasnt broken tier then, byakuya webs with the ability to zone and be a threat even up close is a recipe for a nightmare character

[@kenspeedway1572]

Really good video; you did a great job on summarizing what made this characters so dominant among others. It's hard to think that even the low tiers can pull some crazy stuff too!

[@MrMixtape]

Thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@r.henryjr.1533]

I like that your description of Jotaro could also be an description for him in the series.

[@potatoboih5378]

Had this video get randomly recommended. Really good stuff, glad to see informative vids on Jojo's because folks generally don't talk much about the game on YT aside from gameplay footage. 👌

[@neonthunder3261]

Heritage is an interesting example of a game finding a second shot at life. I hope one day, maybe years from now, we see Capcom make another JoJo game. It's a shame GioGio's Bizarre Adventure was the last one they ever did.

[@DoomsayerStudios]

All Star Battle exists but the netcode is unusable Had it been developed with GGPO netcode, people would actually play it

[@imeanslaverywasveryprofita4626]

@@DoomsayerStudiosthe new one or the old one

[@DoomsayerStudios]

@@imeanslaverywasveryprofita4626 the new one. Never got to play the old one.

[@aegisreflector1239]

All Star Battle R is really good too js.

[@Tr0lliPop]

If only ASBR wasn't delayed netcode

[@awarmmilkandcookies]

"Punishable on hit" is what fighting games players hear in their nightmares

[@shaytheguy8846]

Amazing video, I've been playing the game for 3 years and your HFTF videos are some of the best I've seen, would love to see a video about the low tiers of this game

[@Anna-vx2pe]

Cannot believe you didnt end dios segment with "youre in for a world of hurt"

[@MrMixtape]

Stealing this for the eventual Shadow DIO video

[@tatzeta]

shooting star sounds like they gave pol ST claw as a puppet 💀

[@rycegabrielmajor9847]

I can't believe you didn't include the polnareff move that IMMEDIATELY asserts dominance on the opponent if you pull it off Silver Chariot Requiem

[@Alex_wav]

Vanilla ice is gonna “Cream!” all over you.

[@mothballsva]

i haven’t played Heritage since about 2022 and i still wake up in cold sweats thinking about vanilla ice. i hate him so much.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

I'm not the biggest Fighting Game guy, but I can appreciate the art of design that goes into them, and I find it hilarious how HFTF straddles that line between being a good Fighting Game and being a faithful adaptation of the source material. Vanilla Ice being one of the scariest dudes ever is extremely fitting, as are most of the other top-tier characters in terms of how/why they earn their spots.

[@hotabichnk]

19:46 I love how it describes actual Jotaro's fight style.

[@vulpineboriqua]

This popped up in my recommended videos, and I gotta say: it’s a good ass vid Solid writing and editing, great info, and I dig your presentation Good shit, man

[@mee091000]

Really glad I randomly ran across this channel. Always wanted more experienced insight into how this game works.

[@foodiswonder8998]

25:48 negative edge, what’s next neutral goon, positive jelq???!?!??

[@DoctorMario606]

Kahn main for life

[@ginger_ale_man7]

as a faust player this vanilla ice character lookin kinda tempting ahaha (with rizz)

[@nader886]

i'm still gonna play shadow dio for the simple fact that I just like the character, but I'm gonna also start playing Jotaro now also after watching this. you made him sound really fun. this was a great video

[@malikarsyasakani]

Why do I have a gut feeling that lowtiergod would choose Kakyoin and Petshop?

[@xelementalsupreme9308]

He would lose to a Hol Horse no doubt

[@Qobp]

He would pick Kak, and spam projectiles while running away Man plays every character the same way

[@DaKingKayden]

This is the best comment

[@lpfan4491]

I mean, the game is quite literally unfinished and never got entirely done even after like 4 diffrent iterations, so one would expect some jank. Though I guess having utterly bizarre combat siturations is kinda the whole point of Jojos to begin with, so it fits.

[@StevetheWizard2591]

You know how busted a game's roster is when you can literally have a move that stops the timer and keeps your opponent from doing anything on three characters, and it's not good on any of them.

[@channelorsomething218]

then on the other hand you have someone like Hol Horse who is single handedly kept out of the bottom tier by like one move that he happens to have. I have slow bullet PTSD.

[@erk9448]

Kusoge games will always be near my heart

[@KingRoni1222]

Gotta see you cover the rest of the roster, especially Devo, love how he plays!

[@nodthenbow]

Should have mentioned Dio's timestop glitch combo. It's not super important in the meta, but I've seen it banned from enough tournaments that it is worth mentioning.

[@MoeHasubandoAbsolver]

unironically cool that all the main characters are top tiers

[@chomik172]

Old Joseph erasure

[@HolTrain]

I’m of the same idea of wanting a proper Hol Horse video. It’s where the first half of my name that I’ve used for everything ever has come from after all.

[@MrMixtape]

Seems like a lot of people want to see Hol Horse covered. Definitely something I'm going to look into doing.

[@HolTrain]

@@MrMixtape Give the people what they want!

[@wannabecinnabon]

@@MrMixtape The Zany Mid Tiers of JoJo: Heritage for the Future

[@ethan1441]

@@MrMixtape many people enjoy entire stallion

[@Gixel_]

The fact HFTF has 3 moves which are all "hold a button and release for a zero frame endlag projectile" and they are the 1st 2nd and 3rd best move in the game and the 1st 2nd and 4th best in the game says enough about the game

[@DoctorBones1]

its been a while since this video released but i enjoyed this thoroughly and learned a lot more about the game, great video

[@TheBlackknight720]

Excellent video, you should make one for the bottom tiers too 😂

[@StarfieldDisarray]

This video unfortunately reminded me of why I could never get into HftF, the flashing can be quite excessive.

[@fuzzace6044]

Soy

[@TempestDacine]

Great vid...but now I wanna reread part 3

[@Nice_Boy_555]

Wish i found this video sooner. Hope you make more videos in the future

[@harryf9885]

Lol you are right it is way easier to list the ways Kak isn’t busted (ie ways he is worse than some other character in the game). -slowest wakeup timing -No unblockables -No IPS immune infinite -No meterless TOD -No fullscreen overhead or Low projectiles. - People will make fun of you if you lose.

[@theraymunator]

20:05 Ironically, at lower levels, Jotaro's timestop is actually better than the Dios' because it's faster and it's easier to land damage. But it's still not a very good move since you can just counter it or jump it.

[@Topunito]

Flawed balance is one thing, but throws that can be punished on hit are some truly stupid shit and honestly might be what I'd want changed first if there's ever a modification of this game.

[@lpfan4491]

A mod would be cool, someone gotta finish the game.

[@Swagtildawn]

Petshop mains type of people who try to explain why the character isnt actually that good.

[@demiurge2501]

shoutout to HFTF petshop for being my second ever experience with fighting games after i beat my friend game 1 and he had to counterpick me

[@romajimamulo]

I'm glad New Kak exists so people can play a version that's slightly fair

[@GreenLittleApple]

love the unfiltered takes with included profanity, it paints a vivid picture of your personal traumatic experience with these chars CREAM!

[@elkofdeath]

@MrMixtape Decades ago I'd found a weird move with Oingo on the DC version that I never replicated with hours of trying every input from every fighting game and never cross confirmed it with anyone, nor seen it mentioned in a video. It looked like one of Kak's floating nets, but it was made out of pipes and had Oingo's stupid looking face in the middle. It'd be a relief of useless information in my brain if someone could cross confirm its input or if it's still a hidden piece of knowledge.

[@MrMixtape]

Assuming you're referring to Hol Horse and Boingo (Hoingo), he has a move where he fires bullets into a pipe and the pipes appear on screen. If that's not what you're referring to, then I'm not quite sure unless it's something that happens in the console-exclusive Super Story Mode.

[@elkofdeath]

Wow, so it isn't so well known. This was totally different than shooting into the pipes and more like a net. It wasn't super story mode as I believe that was only PS1 at the time, it was on a US release copy of heritage. If it's really that obscure, maybe someone can find the small pipe net with Oingo's face animation and command in a data rip. I'd do it myself if I knew how. It'd be nice to see a bottom tier character have one more move.

[@MrMixtape]

Hmm that's interesting. I don't believe I've heard of this move, and I've played the PS1 version of HFTF before. Perhaps I'll look into this sometime in the future.

[@elkofdeath]

It definitely triggered on the Dreamcast US release and not any other.

[@scumsspot]

@@elkofdeathif you achieved it by spamming direction inputs while shooting bullets, it’s a bug. For some reason spamming up and down causes the hit box from his bullet to get stuck, and it causes the boingo sprite to show up. Most tournaments ban it due to being an exploit, alongside a similar thing Avdol can do with Ankhs to achieve infinite damage.

[@masterjoda999]

Pretty sure it was Stroheim that inspired guile's hair, polnareff inspired paul phoenix's hair in tekken

[@MrMixtape]

Both Stroheim and Polnareff inspired Guile's hair.

[@ivanviera1582]

Originally Guile's hair was meant to be more of a solid copy of Pol's, but a designer at Capcom split it in half for a laugh and the rest of the team ended up liking how it looked (on top of referencing another Jojo character) so they kept it as it is now.

[@chloedoesstuff3753]

i have heard a bit about this game a couple of years ago and the videos i watched made it out to be like hol horse was the best character and now im watching this and seeing he is b tier and my worldview is shattered

[@blastthechaos6083]

I love how more than half of the Stardust Crusaders compose the top tiers of the game

[@InfamousAsh]

My second online match ever in Fightcade was my Mariah against Kakyoin B rank, man I still have PTSD! I got devastated!

[@teevon21]

Dude im tryna fall asleep to this but all the songs are mixed so loud woke me up twice

[@leonardo9259]

Wtf watch asmr like a normal person

[@RemLasher77]

Polarneff has an additional move…Silver Chariot Requiem.

[@tunnelcrawlerwaluigi2690]

I can’t believe you didn’t mention probably one of the most iconic Dio combos in existence where he used practically nothing but supers and the audio turns into a fucking machine gun

[@SylvesterAshcroft88]

This game is probably my favourite fighting game ever, followed closely by Marvel Vs Capcom, as the second game wasn't available on the playstation, so i never got to play it.

[@mythosinfinite6736]

they went so fucking extra with his framerate for no reason

[@mokeyblunc]

really good video but im having a hard time picking between jotaro and pol so i already have a basic grasp on both of their combos but im having difficulty choosing which is my main

[@Wiziliz]

Both are sick. I love Polnareff but I've been playing lots of Jotaro lately, having timestop off of setups is fun as hell, haha

[@mokeyblunc]

@@Wiziliz ok are we the same person or is this a extremely coincidental conundrum

[@distinguishedkorok]

Flip a coin Heads Jotaro Tails pol

[@thepinkgoblinwhounpluggedy3726]

26:12 this sounds like some code to activate some sleeper agents

[@dabiggestratintown]

Phenomenal video

[@MrMixtape]

Thank you!

[@EvilDoresh]

Pet Shops portrait in this game is the perfect reaction to when you're up against one of these top tiers

[@Merkhahba]

Petshop being busted makes me feel bad for wanting to learn him, as I really like him and his stand

[@JagoShogun]

I have one simple question, people. Will it kill?

[@andyblanton6570]

Rye-oo? And he was doing so well...

[@EeveeShadowBacon]

Please talk about the jank of Hol Horse

[@Geilolp.]

i just started and in my first story mode attempts. i literally only went up against atleast S tiers. trying to fight polnareff as shadow dio makes me want to die. when i first beat him and i went up against the other cancer avdol, he made me ragequit just so that i can discover that the story mode doesn't save progress. and jotaro, i don't wanna talk about that. i then tried playing as avdol just to prove to myself that he's OP and literally just spammed attacks/idk the moveset) for the entire time and won the whole story in like 25 minutes. i beat devo's story tho, my fav character now

[@lewisbirkett4428]

Lmao Dio's infinite seems simple? I'd have no chance executing that, traditional FG's are a mystery to me

[@Dallaspulla521]

i wonder if passive stances get any of that

[@vasserdrachen]

Amazing video!

[@ErinLynagh]

You should put the section in and tell people that have already seen it to skip to (timestamp). Better than finding all these videos to watch

[@Dobrodo-en1sr]

I never played this game but now I wanna

[@Dan-jj5dm]

Great video bro, I had no idea that Dio had an infinite combo ( as you said is hard but I'll try anyways ). Also I wanted to ask something, these explanations are for the jjba hftf of ps1 or arcade?

[@mokeyblunc]

there the arcade version because of the stand graphics are better in the ps1 version they we're colour pallate

[@namelessfaerie1302]

Amazing video, convinced me to play Polnareff Mixing their shit with Shooting Star/10

[@melbiamil5144]

"No one can deflect the emerald splash" he wasn't wrong

[@TheBillhs]

then i guess it's true,no one can deflect the emerald splash

[@Gamesux421]

shoutout to them for making petshop lore accurate

[@cloudnine676]

I like hftf more than asb I played the remaster asbr too but always came back to hftf. The community is awsome.

[@Group-935]

This game is really cool. I like it, so does my younger brother. I was going to get it for him, for the PS1. Then... I seen the price... $100+ just for the disc, or $500+ for the game in the jewel case. So, I said; "nah", and emulated it. Glad I did that. And figured that out so we can now play this awesome game for free, instead of 100+ dollars at the minimum.

[@Khione3]

Vanilla Ice is so accurate coming In strength, as in the anime he kills more crusaders than DIO himself

[@jojobizadTRASH]

New vid to watch 👌👌

[@pizzagumby7049]

Vanilla ice can air dash multiple times/ double jumping than spamming 66 j5a 44 j5a is an unbeatable god strategy pioneered by the cerebral Einstein level intelligence v.ice player soui.

[@kawaiiempoleon8721]

God I wish jotaro wasn't insanely difficult

[@ryujigoda3445]

Skill issues i’ve yet to be bodied by a petshop player

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

This game and Darkstalkers are my favorite Capcom fighting games for how absurd they are.

[@grahampine6511]

9:34 bro was spazzing out

[@ghxst-jc1rl]

How do u download it?

[@Detective_Bonghits]

Im fine with unbalanced shit. I come from marvel vs capcom thats held together with twigs and thread, and thats why its so good. Especially when you need execution, unless you're some kind of dirty hitbox cheater

[@eoghanfeighery7383]

Where can you download this game?

[@chazreginaldo2305]

you can play it on Fightcade

[@kekopara6822]

mikehawk stamp of approval

[@kayeffty]

nice vid

[@JosukeFromMorioh]

Image if kakyoin was arcade accurate

[@Auditor-vs8nx]

Imagine of Kars with pet shop stand

[@DoomsayerStudios]

I avoid this game for a reason. I barely know how to play it, and even if I did, I don't have the execution to avoid getting prolapsed by half the roster. This game is more a love letter to broken jank than it is to the anime it was based on.