The buzzer-beating climax of the ‘90s Knicks-Heat rivalry needs a deep rewind

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5 жыл бұрын

Alonzo Mourning versus his old college buddy Patrick Ewing and his old wingman Larry Johnson. Jeff Van Gundy versus his mentor Pat Riley and his brother Stan. Two teams that fought each other and the shadow of Jordan's Bulls dynasty. Oh right, and also a very weird 8 seed versus a 1 seed thanks to the NBA lockout. It was only fitting a series this dramatic would come down to one last shot.
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@JoNathan-wh2et
@JoNathan-wh2et 5 жыл бұрын
That score is like halftime scores now lol
@ShifuCareaga
@ShifuCareaga 5 жыл бұрын
Defense makes a difference. And calling walks.
@AK-forty-seven
@AK-forty-seven 5 жыл бұрын
The defense of today hasn't caught up yet to the offense of today, compared to the tougher no hand check defense of the 90s. Besides its just early in the season, this one had an ecf feel to it.
@nunyerbizzness93
@nunyerbizzness93 5 жыл бұрын
Two slow paced, defensive minded teams playing each other. Led to ugly, smash mouthed basketball. The pistons pacer conference finals series of 04 had even lower scores..i don't mind it though, the game had more character.
@MylotheZooLovingScientist
@MylotheZooLovingScientist 5 жыл бұрын
@@nunyerbizzness93 That's why, even though I started watching basketball relatively recently (2007), I've always been a fan of the slower-paced and lower-scoring games. Not to say there aren't characterful games these days, but I enjoy seeing two teams stepping up and clamping down on defense and really battling for each bucket rather than seeing teams outshoot each other and seeing who can get finally get a stop at the end, lol.
@themariofan03
@themariofan03 5 жыл бұрын
Sadly
@kevinw5683
@kevinw5683 5 жыл бұрын
Bruh totally forgot first round use to be best of 5. Was scratching my head the whole damn video.
@jjstyles8245
@jjstyles8245 5 жыл бұрын
Love Sosa ong
@kostasroussos1706
@kostasroussos1706 5 жыл бұрын
Bill Russell vs Wilt Chamberlain beef history
@jayohaitchen1115
@jayohaitchen1115 5 жыл бұрын
yes
@sohampatil5532
@sohampatil5532 5 жыл бұрын
That would be amazing
@TheCelticboy21
@TheCelticboy21 5 жыл бұрын
On-court rivalry maybe? I heard they were homies
@neelmoudgil4962
@neelmoudgil4962 5 жыл бұрын
they were but then they had a row and didnt talk until Wilt passed
@ShifuCareaga
@ShifuCareaga 5 жыл бұрын
@@neelmoudgil4962 and after even!
@coltsrule5150
@coltsrule5150 5 жыл бұрын
A rivalry that no one seems to talk about much is, The Pacers vs The Knicks in the 90's. Otherwise known as, The Hicks vs The Knicks. A decade of amazing playoff games between these two teams.
@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520
@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520 5 жыл бұрын
This was my favorite 1990's Eastern Conference rivalry. The playoff showdowns between these two teams were so dramatic, and ever, dare I say, ridiculous. The Heat/Knicks rivalry was the 3rd best rivalry of the 90's, behind the Suns/Supersonics rivalry, and the best rivalry was the Suns/Rockets rivalry. *Thoughts from a Supersonics fan*
@jhupp8707
@jhupp8707 5 жыл бұрын
Pacers Knicks and Bulls Knicks were great too
@weliveinasimulation.
@weliveinasimulation. 7 ай бұрын
Pacers/Knicks for sure. Reggie hit so many dagger 3's. His rivalry w/starks on the court and spike off the court was like watching a Broadway play.
@doxazo5512
@doxazo5512 5 жыл бұрын
Glad y’all are getting sponsors now, this is quality stuff!
@p4t21ck
@p4t21ck 5 жыл бұрын
Omaha Steaks should sponsor the Beef History videos.
@alvin081988
@alvin081988 5 жыл бұрын
You should do the underrated NBA Finals in 2005 Spurs vs. Pistons .....where defense is the emphasis of the game
@razkable
@razkable 4 жыл бұрын
horrys shot lol yeah that has plenty of history
@puddlespuddles5208
@puddlespuddles5208 2 жыл бұрын
One of the worst finals ever from and an entertainment standpoint but from a cultural lexicon standpoint esp in retrospect it is worth doing (and I am saying this as a Mavs fan and someone who dislikes the pistons and spurs).
@trollkenobi6727
@trollkenobi6727 2 жыл бұрын
@@puddlespuddles5208 You're a Mavs fan. How would you know
@rufioquin2406
@rufioquin2406 5 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this game as a kid. It gave me chills when Houston hit that shot and ran down court and swung his fist
@SethKasso
@SethKasso 5 жыл бұрын
Talk about Larry Johnson’s 4-point play next
@chrishannon5901
@chrishannon5901 5 жыл бұрын
I suggest that one every time smh they gotta get on that
@lil_james1584
@lil_james1584 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah they definitely should do that one.
@GKQ333
@GKQ333 4 жыл бұрын
I thought that was this series.... '90s basketball was my childhood and from Seattle so that was my team, but loved Zo so fallowed him to Miami to have that as my Eastern team. First two 1s to loose in first round lol
@hoosier3060
@hoosier3060 3 жыл бұрын
It was a bullshit call
@cyberpimp29
@cyberpimp29 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!
@bobbygorbett536
@bobbygorbett536 5 жыл бұрын
Do a rewinder of the last time the internet was given their Jon Bois
@jamesnewbury6354
@jamesnewbury6354 5 жыл бұрын
ya
@jamesnewbury6354
@jamesnewbury6354 5 жыл бұрын
who's jon bois
@calebcook6372
@calebcook6372 5 жыл бұрын
James Newbury Jon bois is the reason so many people have subbed to this sbnation
@dwaynehoward240
@dwaynehoward240 5 жыл бұрын
What??
@pjetrs
@pjetrs 4 жыл бұрын
can someone explain this
@ropete33
@ropete33 5 жыл бұрын
I watched this happen live when I was working at the Orlando Magic FanAttic store. One of my managers was from NY and he went crazy after Houston made that.
@billny33
@billny33 5 жыл бұрын
this told me nothing I didnt know, but it was still all kinds of fun to go back. I was glad they waited until Houston threw his punch at the other end to turn off the tube. :) There was something so satisfying to see such a passive personality let loose like that after knocking off such a hated rival.
@ndrocca
@ndrocca 5 жыл бұрын
I'm always happy to see rewinder! Please do a NHL rewinder. There are plenty of options. Matteau (speaks for itself), Bobby Orr's infamous 'superman' goal, Fleury's last second save in 2009, Brett Hull's contraversial Stanley Cup winning goal in 1999 and many more!
@mcj88
@mcj88 5 жыл бұрын
Steve Yzerman's double-OT goal in game 7 of the '96 Western Semifinals against the Gretzky-led St. Louis Blues, that'd be a good one
@alexandergilles8583
@alexandergilles8583 5 жыл бұрын
Miracle on ice
@TheOtherAndrewV2
@TheOtherAndrewV2 5 жыл бұрын
Fleury's save would be amazing. Such a dramatic moment, and so much to talk about with the Finals being a rematch, Hossa switching sides, Pittsburgh nearly being relocated a few years prior...
@bawsezilla2501
@bawsezilla2501 5 жыл бұрын
Technically not the NHL, but the 2010 men's finals in OT would be amazing on rewinder.
@urfavbrunette.7
@urfavbrunette.7 5 жыл бұрын
94 Eastern Conference Finals Rangers vs Devils....Matteau Double OT goal...or 94 Finals Game 7 vs. Canucks....the waiting is over. Both would make tremendous Rewinders
@dumisatonyjohnson8145
@dumisatonyjohnson8145 5 жыл бұрын
NY trades Starks, Chris Mills & Terry Cummings to Golden State in exchange for Spreewell Toronto trades Camby to NY for Charles Oakley
@bricetriplett759
@bricetriplett759 5 жыл бұрын
Still haven't done the Auburn-Bama Kick six....just saying
@SecretBaseSBN
@SecretBaseSBN 5 жыл бұрын
i mean maybe we're planning on it maybe who's to say
@WAREAGLE-me9rd
@WAREAGLE-me9rd 5 жыл бұрын
I was about to comment that
@trumpetking11
@trumpetking11 5 жыл бұрын
It’s so recent though in comparison to a lot of others. I say sit on it for awhile.
@jacobgarrison4836
@jacobgarrison4836 5 жыл бұрын
SB Nation do it damn it
@miadeathwish
@miadeathwish 5 жыл бұрын
Averagesaur osu vs Mia for sure. Trust and believe all of Miami is still salty about that.
@weliveinasimulation.
@weliveinasimulation. 7 ай бұрын
Theses playoff series in the 90s eastern conference between Knicks/heat/pacers were so good. The drama on and off the court was next level. The grit, animosity, toughness and competitiveness was next level. You just don't see players in today's NBA care about the game like players use to. The game is so watered down now.
@connerbv1209
@connerbv1209 5 жыл бұрын
Jose Bautista’s bat Flip or David Freese’s walk off
@dennischen5367
@dennischen5367 5 жыл бұрын
Rangers hater I see you Probably Donaldson's dash in '16 ALDS has deeper history tho
@SlipperyGoulet
@SlipperyGoulet 5 жыл бұрын
The Freese walk off is so underrated...it RULED and I'm not even a Cards fan.
@jkbuckeye1
@jkbuckeye1 5 жыл бұрын
I’d guess they don’t ever do these as they were either not game-deciders or the game-deciding moment wasn’t the most important moment of the game (i.e. Freese’s game-tying triple).
@BartoloVids
@BartoloVids 5 жыл бұрын
John Buckeye Well both of Freese’s hits could be argued for game deciders and most important play
@yungotcha
@yungotcha 5 жыл бұрын
one of hte best days of my life ... ill never forget this day as long as im still breathing ... i was jumping on my couch and screaming for hours lol
@jacobpaul6392
@jacobpaul6392 5 жыл бұрын
2012 super bowl. Ravens 9ers (last play) 2007 David Tyree super bowl catch 2011 Dirk game winning lay up in game 2 of finals. 2010 Ron artest 3 pointer in game 7. 2005 masters. Tigers winning putt. 2006 Tracy mcgrady 13 points in 30 seconds 1994 kukoc game winner against knicks when Pippin refused to play.
@justinecalub8126
@justinecalub8126 4 жыл бұрын
What about the buzzer beaters in the last NBA Playoffs by Damian Lillard and Kawhi Leonard? They should have a rewinder episodes too.
@blovett0814
@blovett0814 4 жыл бұрын
@@justinecalub8126 Too recent. Both are great suggestions but need time in order to truly savor the moment
@willsi
@willsi 5 жыл бұрын
Series keeps getting better.
@ezmacerik
@ezmacerik 5 жыл бұрын
I just love this series and I am always happy when I see a new rewind video.
@Kari2025
@Kari2025 5 жыл бұрын
I just watched all 23 episodes of Rewinder. I need more!!
@keemp21
@keemp21 5 жыл бұрын
This brings back so much memories as a Knicks fan 😩😩
@SoggyMoppenheimer
@SoggyMoppenheimer 4 жыл бұрын
One of my best memories as a young Knicks fan..
@gregdevries9811
@gregdevries9811 5 жыл бұрын
this series is absolutely amazing.
@NameIsRey
@NameIsRey 5 жыл бұрын
David Tyree’s helmet catch in super bowl XLII deserves a rewind
@Conqueroru
@Conqueroru 3 жыл бұрын
no lol
@Nutteri
@Nutteri 5 жыл бұрын
These videos are so great man, never stop doing them!
@williambaugus927
@williambaugus927 4 жыл бұрын
These series were so good. Classic 90s eastern conference rough and tumble series
@salvadoravalos9950
@salvadoravalos9950 Жыл бұрын
I loved watching the kicks this season and had those shorts too.
@ShDragon1
@ShDragon1 5 жыл бұрын
Echoing the call for some hockey Rewinder. This series is so damn good and I don't really watch Basketball/Football too much, but I tune in to every one of these as soon as I see it pop up.
@pakkmann
@pakkmann 5 жыл бұрын
'89 Tour de France... Greg LeMond winning on the last day!!! EPIC!!
@mosesomer1496
@mosesomer1496 5 жыл бұрын
Man I feel old! I remember this game like yesterday damn miss the 90s.
@S0LAS
@S0LAS 5 жыл бұрын
I love the music you guys use for this series.
@mswao
@mswao 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent work, keep ‘em coming!
@alexandergilles8583
@alexandergilles8583 5 жыл бұрын
Do the miracle on ice!!!!! Arguably the biggest upset of all time and given the opponent and location, it makes it even better. Would make a great rewinder!!!!!
@EthanPratola
@EthanPratola 5 жыл бұрын
Do one on Butler vs Duke in 2010 with the moment being the shot that almost went in
@EthanPratola
@EthanPratola 5 жыл бұрын
Yea Gordon Hayward
@jakeh_13
@jakeh_13 5 жыл бұрын
It’s a video now
@spazbot81
@spazbot81 4 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6KoiYmEpJWrgbc
@CCCondeFly
@CCCondeFly 5 жыл бұрын
These videos are just great.
@countingcards1208
@countingcards1208 5 жыл бұрын
Do the 2005 Champions League final, also known as the miracle of Istanbul. I think it would be a really interesting video.
@mbithiz
@mbithiz 5 жыл бұрын
It really would! Especially because it ended in pens. But that come back story!
@glory2christcmj702
@glory2christcmj702 5 жыл бұрын
Great video and this was a great rivalry
@sosasosa5530
@sosasosa5530 Жыл бұрын
Knicks vs heat 2023 playoffs can’t make this up
@crashbandicoot5636
@crashbandicoot5636 5 жыл бұрын
I love all the deep rewinds but the basketball ones will always be my favorites : D
@johnjperricone7856
@johnjperricone7856 Жыл бұрын
Great work on the 90s Knicks. Watching the game today, I hate the way we used to play now. Back then, it was SO intense.
@Imawesomeking900
@Imawesomeking900 5 жыл бұрын
This deep rewind great, want more like this
@holliswong8519
@holliswong8519 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this. Thanks!
@darandompigzgaming9766
@darandompigzgaming9766 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see 2023's series
@TheNico8008
@TheNico8008 5 жыл бұрын
Love your videos guys 👊🏾
@richardmaska1818
@richardmaska1818 5 жыл бұрын
Nice vid Rewinder crew. You should consider Joe Crede's walk-off knock in game 2 of the ALCS between the White Sox and Angels. Crede was a clutch performer that year, and his hit was preceded by the high drama that was the "dropped third strike" that allowed an un-tagged A.J. Pierzynski to take first on a pitch that may have only nominally hit the dirt. The Angels were looking to go up 2-0 in a series that was heading home for them; instead they go on to loose the series and wouldn't make it back to ALCS until 2009. The game is also record-making; Sox starter Mark Buehrle went nine innings to get the win and the White Sox Go-Go on to win the series 4-1 on the strength of three more complete game victories hurled by their starters. The Sox eventually sweep the Astros in the World Series to break their 88 year title drought, but it all goes back to that moment in game 2 when Crede capitalized on AJ's heist of first base. It's an overlooked moment that deserves a rewind, especially considering that this episode features a rare moment of glory for the 1990s most dependable big game losers of the decade, the Knicks; in a first-round playoff game.
@dcisking1033
@dcisking1033 5 жыл бұрын
I swear man this is my favorite series on youtube
@noahmaddox4533
@noahmaddox4533 5 жыл бұрын
Favorite series on all of KZbin
@KWCline91
@KWCline91 5 жыл бұрын
Rewinder’s needed - 2011 WS Gm 6 - David Freese’s walkoff HR - 2016 WS Gm 7 - Cubs final out - 2017 WS Gm 5 - Alex Bregman’s walkoff hit - Larry Bird’s Steal - Auburn’s Kick-Six - 1995 NBA Finals Gm 1 - Hakeem’s tip-in - Robert Horry’s buzzer-beater Gm 4 - Malcolm Butler’s INT - Alex Smith to Vernon Davis against the Saints - Stefan Diggs miracle catch vs. Saints
@nbafactoid9531
@nbafactoid9531 5 жыл бұрын
these are amazing
@urfavbrunette.7
@urfavbrunette.7 5 жыл бұрын
As a New York Knicks fan, this is awesome
@bowhunter928
@bowhunter928 5 жыл бұрын
this video might be, but the Knicks sure aren't lmao
@WeArePharmers
@WeArePharmers 5 жыл бұрын
Long-suffering Knicks fan
@thehylianloach9473
@thehylianloach9473 5 жыл бұрын
My condolences
@arinze5880
@arinze5880 5 жыл бұрын
Great reporting, great cliffhanger thing at the start and end , this was just a job well done! Keep up the good work
@adambloch4082
@adambloch4082 5 жыл бұрын
This was one of the top five sports moments of my youth. The important thing is that the Heat only won in 97 because Riley sent PJ Brown out to start a brawl and get people suspended. Then the Knicks beat the Heat in the playoffs three years in a row to get revenge. So Riley and Brown can go suck on an egg. If I ever meet PJ Brown I'm going to tell him exactly what I think of him. I miss the era when the Knicks mattered.
@ManaTeal47
@ManaTeal47 5 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where SB Nation gets its music? I have always been a fan of the background music used in the Rewinder video series.
@PantsaBear
@PantsaBear 5 жыл бұрын
They all take from Jon Bois style on editing, speaking, and music since he's created their best content to this point
@kev16
@kev16 5 жыл бұрын
I love all your nba videos. Amazing work. Love reliving all of this stuff
@Air_Quake
@Air_Quake 5 жыл бұрын
5:39 Patrick Ewing sweating, what a surprise...
@Jmega1999
@Jmega1999 4 жыл бұрын
Really great editing and story telling here....
@jordanhughes9861
@jordanhughes9861 4 жыл бұрын
I love these videos beef history is awesome I wish I could do this
@phillipmartin8374
@phillipmartin8374 5 жыл бұрын
Love these!!!!!
@fullaflash
@fullaflash 2 жыл бұрын
Gosh I love Seth’s videos. Gripping dude!
@cyberpimp29
@cyberpimp29 3 жыл бұрын
Cannot watch this enough...
@jaylenwallace9170
@jaylenwallace9170 4 жыл бұрын
This is so stomach turning to look back at as a HEAT fan :'( still got our chips years later eventually tho :)
@PHender864
@PHender864 5 жыл бұрын
Those are the Knicks I remember fondly!
@coldsnap5742
@coldsnap5742 5 жыл бұрын
The 1998-99 lockout is what started the NBA's decline into a three-point-shooting contest and layup line where defense is impossible. 99-00 season (first major steps toward handchecking removal) Handchecking had been slowed down to a small degree in the late 90s, but not anywhere close to the massive change that was introduced starting in 99/00. "In the backcourt, there is no contact with hands and forearms by defenders. In the frontcourt, there is no contact with hands and forearms by defenders except below the free throw line extended in which case the defender may only use his forearm." So by this point, handchecking is for all intents and purposed removed - "There is no contact with hands" and "the defender may only use his forearm" below the FT line extended. 00-01 season - new rules that further decreased amount of contact allowed by a defender "No contact with either hands or forearms by defenders except in the frontcourt below the free throw line extended in which case the defender may use his forearm only." "Neither the offensive player nor the defender will be allowed to dislodge or displace a player who has legally obtained a position." "Defender may not use his forearm, shoulder, hip or hand to reroute or hold-up an offensive player going from point A to Point B or one who is attempting to come around a legal screen set by another offensive player." "Slowing or impeding the progress of the screener by grabbing, clutching, holding “chucking” or “wrapping up” is prohibited." "On the weakside, defenders must remain on the weakside outside the paint unless (i) they are double-teaming the ball, (ii) picking up a free cutter or (iii) closely guarding an offensive player." 01-02 season - Addition of illegal defensive 3 seconds rules to weaken defenses even more. "A new defensive three-second rule will prohibit a defensive player from remaining in the lane for more than three consecutive seconds without closely guarding an offensive player." This rule makes it much easier to drive in the lane, because bigs can no longer camp out in the lane and deter drives to the basket like they did in the 80s and 90s. 04-05 season "New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game."
@ShifuCareaga
@ShifuCareaga 5 жыл бұрын
They need to bring hand checking back. #stopstatpadding
@MylotheZooLovingScientist
@MylotheZooLovingScientist 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, I think we've all noticed how much easier scoring has been since these rules were implemented, but when you spell everything out like that it really becomes obvious how much of a cakewalk it is compared to just over a decade ago.
@ShifuCareaga
@ShifuCareaga 5 жыл бұрын
@@MylotheZooLovingScientist exactly. stat padding.
@kristion9774
@kristion9774 5 жыл бұрын
Cold Snap to make “next Jordan’s” job easier Bleacher Report says is why all of these rules were changed. Actually started Jordan’s last season on the Bulls.
@kristion9774
@kristion9774 5 жыл бұрын
Cold Snap ‘Rules were changed for players to emulate Jordan who weren’t Jordan” “What Rules Were Changed and Why They Were Changed? So the NBA started implementing rule changes to make it easier for players who weren't Jordan to emulate the same things he did. Even the zone defenses, often cited as something that works against perimeter players, had the impact of making it easier. There is a misconception that there was a single rule or single year where the rules were changed. Actually, it was a series of rule changes which spanned seven years from the 1997-1998 season to the 2004-2005 season. In 1998, the hand check rule was changed to say, "A defender will not be permitted to use his forearm to impede the progress of an offensive player who is facing the basket in the frontcourt.” In 2000 two more changes were implemented. First, there was a clarification on the hand-check rule, In the backcourt, there is no contact with hands and forearms by defenders. In the frontcourt, there is no contact with hands and forearms by defenders except below the free throw line extended in which case the defender may only use his forearm. In the post, neither the offensive player nor the defender is allowed to dislodge or displace a player who has legally obtained a position. Defender may not use his forearm, shoulder, hip or hand to reroute or hold-up an offensive player going from point A to point B or one who is attempting to come around a legal screen set by another offensive player. Slowing or impeding the progress of the screener by grabbing, clutching, holding “chucking” or “wrapping up” is prohibited. And, Any defense is legal on the strong side. Defenders must remain on the weak side outside the paint unless they are double-teaming the ball, picking up a free cutter or closely guarding an offensive player. In 2001, there was more clarification: No contact with either hands or forearms by defenders except in the frontcourt below the free throw line extended in which case the defender may use his forearm only. In 2002, Illegal defense guidelines will be eliminated in their entirety. A new defensive three-second rule will prohibit a defensive player from remaining in the lane for more than three consecutive seconds without closely guarding an offensive player. There is a misconception that zone defenses balance out the removal of the hand-checking rules. That's not true because of the institution of defensive three seconds. Because of that, big men could no longer hang out in the paint. That opens up the paint for driving wings. The intended effect happened, and the game moved away from the big man. Finally, in 2004-05, the rules were, "introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game. The last five words of that last clarification is crucial, "to open up the game." There is no question that the intention of the rule changes was to open up the game because the people that made the rule changes said why they were doing it, and they said that it was to open up the game. The Proof it Worked Prior to Jordan, the game had been dominated by big men for virtually its entire history. The league's first MVP was awarded in 1956. From that time until Larry Bird won in 1983, the award had gone to a center all but two times. The only exceptions were Bob Cousy and Oscar Robertson. Larry Bird won the next three, then the Michael Jordan era began. Over the course of the Jordan era, there were six winners that weren't Jordan. Karl Malone won twice, Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuown each won once. Since Jordan retired (if you don't count the Wizards years), only one center, Shaquille O'Neal, has won, and he won during the early part of the rule changes which opened up the game. Since 2005, no centers have won. It's the longest span of time in NBA history where a center didn't win the award. Six of the seven winners were players who generated their teams offense through ball handling. The traditional center is gone. Even the "forward-center" doesn't really qualify. For example, Tim Duncan is often called a center, even if the Spurs don't call him one. Setting aside the question of what you then call the player filling the center spot on San Antonio, the argument is moot. Even if Duncan is a center, he's not the traditional center; he's a modern center. The modern center has changed to adapt to the rules the way they are now. Centers no longer score their points at the rim. They score from further out. When Duncan won the MVP in 2002, 56.2 percent of his points came more than three feet away from the rim. When he won in 2003, over 61.0 percent of his field goals came away from the rim. Yao Ming, at the peak of his career, was a center whose scoring came more than three feet away from the basket. According to basketball-reference, he shot 61.0 percent of his shots from at least three feet out in 2006-07. Shaquille O'Neal, by contrast, had only 40 percent of his field goals come outside of three feet in 2001. The point here is that for centers, the game is moving away from the basket. It's not just a few isolated cases, either, and it has an impact of the overall scoring. Since 2005, only two centers, Shaquille O'Neal and Dwight Howard, have scored more than 20 points per game for a season with more than half his points coming within three feet of the rim. No center has averaged more than 23 points and had more than half their shots within three feet. Four centers have only accounted for 20 point per game seasons on just 10 occasions regardless of where the scoring has come from. In the seven years prior to when the rule changes started taking place, there were 36 centers who scored 20 points, and virtually all of them were players who scored the bulk of their points at the rim, although the shot details aren't available. Yao Ming's 25.0 points, which is the highest average since the rule changes, would only be tied for 14th in the seven years from 1991-1998. Yes, there is a slower game now, with an average of five possessions fewer per game in 2012 than there were in 1992. Even if you account for pace, though, it only accounts for 0.8 points, not the dramatic difference here. Nor does it explain why scoring for wings has gone up. Using the same parameters, there were 127 20-point scorers who were pure forwards or guards from 1991-98 compared to 165 over the last seven years. Granted, there are a few players on both of those lists who are power forwards, but not enough to skew the difference. Some will say "numbers don't mean everything." Of course, I'm not arguing they do here. I'm arguing that the numbers show that the rules had the intended effect, not that they "mean" anything. The numbers don't lend meaning to the argument; they defend it. It is a point of fact. Scoring has shifted from the center to the wings since the implementation of rules that were intended to have that impact. The numbers do make that indisputable. Post Hoc Ergo Procter Hoc Or Occman's Razor? One of two things is true here. Either it's just a coincidence that the changes that the rules were designed to affect happened after the rule changes or it's caused by it. Some could argue that it's "post hoc ergo propter hoc" or "after this, therefore because of this." If I drop my pencil and at that exact moment my light bulb burns out, that doesn't mean that dropping my pencil caused the light bulb to burn out. Just because there was a dearth of big men after the rule changes doesn't mean that the rule changes caused the drop off in productive big men. That's where it's important to understand where the center shots are coming from and why it matters that Tim Duncan is attempting his shots from away from the rim. He's shooting from there for a reason. It used to be that behind every great center, there was a great guard to spread the court for him with his shooting and/or passing. There was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Magic Johnson, John Stockton and Karl Malone, Willis Reed and Walt Frazier. The center to score at the rim and the guard to feed him the ball and score from outside. Now, the roles are a bit reversed. Centers and bigs are stepping away from the rim to draw their defensive counterparts with them away from the rim. Duncan is opening up the lane for Tony Parker, Carlos Boozer is opening up things for Derrick Rose and Chris Bosh is opening the way for LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. Occman’s Razor argues that when there are competing hypotheses, the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is the best. That the rules changed the game in the way it intended to change it (i.e. opening up the game) by causing the very thing they wanted to (move the centers away from the rim), which would result in their objective (create more Jordans) leaves no room for assumption. Perhaps the single best argument for Jordan as the greatest player of all-time is this: No other player had such an impact on the game that the NBA changed the rules to duplicate him. When Wilt Chamberlain dominated, they changed the rules to curtail his dominance. When Jordan dominated, they changed the rules to replicate his dominance. The side effect, though, was that there will never be another Chamberlain.” bleacherreport.com/articles/1383036-how-michael-jordan-changed-the-nbas-center-position-forever
@accaricuvell8624
@accaricuvell8624 5 жыл бұрын
Man this game broke my heart
@Stephencurry03030
@Stephencurry03030 5 жыл бұрын
DAMN QUALITY CONTENT 🔥
@ButtersTheGreat1
@ButtersTheGreat1 5 жыл бұрын
Basketball fights always crack me up. They fight like two brother goading each other.
@javianjohnson8746
@javianjohnson8746 4 жыл бұрын
I’m JUST a learning about the Knicks-Heat INTENSIVE rivalry of the late 90s. Can’t believe they met 4 years IN A ROW!
@InsolentCrow
@InsolentCrow 5 жыл бұрын
This is a great show. You know what would make it greater though? A hockey episode.
@mcj88
@mcj88 5 жыл бұрын
The night Allan Houston shuttered Miami Arena. (Good thing we're past the days of arenas & stadiums being obsolete after just 10-20 years, right? /s)
@neotheone7923
@neotheone7923 5 жыл бұрын
i dont even watch sports yet every time this channel uploads i watch it
@lumiya4596
@lumiya4596 4 жыл бұрын
The delivery of this video was a hit or miss, as he keeps on hitting the rewind button. But I gotta say, that last part when you make it sort of a cliff hanger (just show the clip and end this video there) was a good bit.
@KnicksFanTV
@KnicksFanTV 5 жыл бұрын
*THIS WAS A FANTASTIC TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE. YOU GUYS NAILED IT. SADLY, RIVALRIES LIKE THIS ARE DONE IN THE TODAY'S BESTIE LIKE NBA. S/O TO THE KNICKS THOUGH, THE HOUSE WILL RISE AGAIN.*
@CasterShellz
@CasterShellz 5 жыл бұрын
My childhood 😭 I miss rivalries in the NBA
@Kungfujoe1110
@Kungfujoe1110 5 жыл бұрын
Are you saying "lackout"? What the heck is that? I can't unhear it now.
@KofieWhy
@KofieWhy 5 жыл бұрын
WE LIKE SPORTS AND WE DONT CARE WHO KNOWS!
@bananabandit2683
@bananabandit2683 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, I always see you in the comments saying that
@Rigbaby33
@Rigbaby33 5 жыл бұрын
From shooting hoops to the super bowl!
@hans_du_plessis
@hans_du_plessis 5 жыл бұрын
FOOTBALLFOOTBALLFOOTBALL,TENNIS,HOCKEY.GOLF
@josephchandler8418
@josephchandler8418 5 жыл бұрын
This is the best sports show on youtube
@kennybenestad6999
@kennybenestad6999 5 жыл бұрын
Its simple. I hear seths voice on a rewind. I click play. The goat of these
@billybaugus1249
@billybaugus1249 10 ай бұрын
I really miss this type of basketball
@brianfarkas8172
@brianfarkas8172 5 жыл бұрын
Quality stuff.
@NateIII11
@NateIII11 5 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the Sponsor! 2016 Villanova/UNC is my request
@hsingle
@hsingle 5 жыл бұрын
Rewinder Suggestions: Chris Webber’s “time-out” during 1993 Men’s College Basketball Championship game Christian Laettner’s buzzer beater against UK in 1992 NCAA Tournament The Saints onside kick at the 2010 Super Bowl against the Colts Antonio Freeman’s game winning catch against the Vikings on MNF in 1998 (I think that’s the year. I’m not sure.) Terrell Owens’ game winning catch in 1998 Wild Card game against the Packers
@AshesOfGravity
@AshesOfGravity 5 жыл бұрын
Please rewind Brisbane Broncos vs North Queensland Cowboys NRL 2015 Grand final's game winning field goal from Rugby League Legend Jonathon Thurston. It is not just a great rugby league moment, it is one of the great sports moments that will live in memory for 1000 years.
@willnotez6976
@willnotez6976 4 жыл бұрын
The good ole days..... damn
@KING-rw1kv
@KING-rw1kv 5 жыл бұрын
Well done
@Bongokingish
@Bongokingish 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you know anything about Rugby but a look at Japan v South Africa at the 2015 World Cup would be so worth it, one of the biggest upsets in sport history
@thegreatestshowontur
@thegreatestshowontur 5 жыл бұрын
Canucks vs Blackhawks - Alex Burrows Game 7 goal in 2011- the years of leadup with the 2 teams meeting in the playoffs combined with the series near comeback from Chicago. That would be a great one
@richardlorith8256
@richardlorith8256 5 жыл бұрын
I was in the Arena this day, I still have nightmares of this shot, should have been the Heat's first championship season
@RealTomahawk7
@RealTomahawk7 Жыл бұрын
and here are the Knicks and Heat again in 2023 Like in 1999 one of them is the eighth seed, and the Knicks employ the man at 2:29
@BPDynasty
@BPDynasty 5 жыл бұрын
YOUR BACK
@luckyjosh7
@luckyjosh7 5 жыл бұрын
2018 World Series Game 3 damn sure deserves a deep rewind!!
@charismatic9904
@charismatic9904 5 жыл бұрын
As a Heat fan since 88...this video is gonna hurt.
@bridgetjohnson6293
@bridgetjohnson6293 5 жыл бұрын
that penguin line is good slippery hands ice cold perfect way to describe a no show performance
@plzfixwolves955
@plzfixwolves955 5 жыл бұрын
Last play of Super Bowl 34: “One Yard Short”
@dinocruz53
@dinocruz53 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video for basketball junkies once again. Keep it up...
@kennethmelvin4261
@kennethmelvin4261 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man; you’re great and I love what you do. Can you do a video on Marc Andre Fleurys Game 7 diving save against Nicklaus Lidstrom in the 2009 Stanley Cup Final?
@behindthefern2846
@behindthefern2846 4 жыл бұрын
I miss these Knicks.
@GARCATCH_
@GARCATCH_ 5 жыл бұрын
Heat nation 🔥🔥🔥
@pedroSilesia
@pedroSilesia 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah man! 3 titles, knicks 0 after this buzzer
@casey7225
@casey7225 5 жыл бұрын
this the beat youtube channel i swear
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