The Canterbury Catastrophe, with Canon George Conger

[@gordoncarter7344]

What an excellent session! Rev. George is a man of such integrity whom I most admire when watching 'Anglican Unscripted'...and then there is Gavin..well, what can I say,except, keep it up! Gordon Carter. Adelaide. South Australia.

[@HB-iq6bl]

Good to hear these men back together. I watched anglican unscripted years ago when all three men spoke for an hour together

[@davidmorrison2739]

Two videos with George to watch today- and with the inimitable Gavin! I look forward to the twin feast later.

[@mrbaker7443]

Love Gavins new CU venture and still listening to AU as George and Kevin are great too.

[@simoontube]

Fantastic to hear you two speaking together!

[@TimothyMatkin]

As I recall, Bishop Burnham laid his Crozier at the Lady altar or shrine at the back of the church following his last service before he resigned his See and left the Church of England.

[@Mark_Dyer1]

Thank you both for this wonderful, insightful, exchange. I love the "whiff of sulphur" image, surrounding Welby. As you note, the Church of England has been 'Welby-ised'; to the extent that all of its bishops are "in his image". Personally, I think the Church Universal needs good, apologist, scholars in every one of its denominations: but a Welby-ised C of E is not going to produce one. Perhaps someone could - genuinely - be "called" from Acadaemia to sit in Augustine's Chair.

[@coraquaid8079]

Loved that thnx George and Gavin ❤

[@tolkienlewis6887]

Very honest open discourse. I loved hearing this bishop's views.

[@gkissel1]

"His [Welby's] actions throughout his career were to perfect and polish the institution, not disseminate the Word of God." -- Canon George Conger

[@robertwright8067]

Of the 3 serious contenders, I would prefer Usher....but in an ideal world we would appoint Philip North, the Bishop of Blackburn, a young, energetic traditional catholic, who is widely respected, and is one of the few bishops with significant parish experience, and who understands the laity, and the working class.

[@HeatherMacdonald-d5c]

This a good explanation. However, others should also resign. Especially the Arch Bishop of York Cottrell who covered up the shocking case of Tudor’ s abuse of young girls. The Senior clergy pass the blame one to another. It has to stop. Please address this issue.

[@iancallard3561]

Well done George. If I can borrow a cricketing comparison - that was a great innings of Baz- Ball.

[@joycepomfret4114]

Gavin and George are knowledgeable theologians, educated faithfilled Christians and well respected men. They say things as they see them. They are not blackening anyone‘s reputation. Any blackening has been achieved by the self interested ambitious people themselves. Both care about the Church of England and Anglicanism, despite Gavin seeing .the light' and becoming a Roman Catholic. Gavin respects the Pope but doesn‘t HAVE to like what he is doing.

[@marcokite]

Archbishop George Abbot shot the gamekeeper my mistake and was distraught! he spent the rest of his life mourning the man and often fasting in reparation.

[@kooky2]

Thank you. A very insightful discussion.

[@OUTBOUND184]

Okay, things aren't perfect on our side, but when I look at the Church of England, I can't help but feel my gratitude for being Catholic renewed. Why anyone would want to remain Anglican is utterly beyond me..

[@Apriluser]

Because the CofE is only a small part of Anglicanism. Many of us are doing quite well, love Jesus and his Church (including our Roman, Eastern, and Protestant brothers and sisters) and are looking for God's kingdom.

[@OUTBOUND184]

​@@Apriluser If you truly loved His Church, you would seek full communion with it. Regardless, the foundations of Anglicanism rest on the whims of the most disastrous monarch this country has ever seen. That it is crumbling is no surprise-the real wonder is that so many still insist it is what it claims to be."

[@OUTBOUND184]

@@Apriluser If you truly loved His Church, you would seek full communion with it. Regardless, the foundations of Anglicanism rest on the whims of the most disastrous monarch this country has ever seen. That it is crumbling is no surprise-the real wonder is that so many still insist it is what it claims to be."

[@OUTBOUND184]

If you truly loved His Church, you would seek full communion with it. Regardless, the foundations of Anglicanism rest on the whims of the most disastrous monarch this country has ever seen. That it is crumbling is no surprise-the real wonder is that so many still insist it is what it claims to be.

[@tonyoliver2750]

@@OUTBOUND184 That "most disastrous monarch" as you put it, Henry VIII, was Catholic till the day he died. The innovative Church of Rome, too much influenced by Augustine of Hippo, gave birth to the Protestant Reformation and was the cause of the Great Schism. If you want full communion with the Church you need to look East.

[@seansheehy6725]

With all his writing he still doesn't get it that the Anglican "communion" is not the Church founded by Jesus.

[@tonyoliver2750]

The Church of Rome certainly isn't.

[@marcokite]

@@tonyoliver2750 - ......but the Holy Orthodox Church IS! ☦☦☦

[@marcionbruno8197]

I'm the very opposite of a Welby fan but this shocked me to the core

[@christopher4192]

Worst Arch B of C ever, Gavin? What about Cranmer!

[@Russ1875]

Has Welby written anything comparable to the Book of Common Prayer?

[@marcokite]

@Russ1875 - lovely language doesn't compensate for Cranmer's heresy.

[@AlasPoorEngland]

1) Surely the CHARISMATIC and the EVANGELICAL approaches can’t really be combined and equated … does the traditional EVANGELICAL approach as understood in the 19th and earlier 20th centuries wouldn’t’ have countenanced “speaking in tongues” etc and would have left that sort of thing to the Irvingites? And surely CHARISMA has an older technical meaning which is neglected by - even ignored - by modern speakers? Are you really suggesting that Welby exhibited glossolalia? Surely technical accuracy is important here? 2) As regards the CofE, surely its domination by the secular state was obvious as soon as the crucifix was replaced by the royal arms? Doesn’t ifs present wokeness merely reflect the policies of the present government, and the weird interests of King Charles. 3) And as an afterthought, they want new blood AND a woman for the ABC post … well, TulIp Siddiq is looking for a job and has connections …

[@TP-om8of]

This is really weird…. Conger and Ashenden again? It’s luke the Beatles re-united, but that never happened. Let’s just hope there’s no T-pronouncing.

[@DrGAshenden]

In the Church all things are possible with Jesus - even the re-uniting of the Beatles ! Still watching 👀 pronunciation however !

[@brjimbo1]

How about the Abp. Of the Church in Wales, Andy Johns?

[@tonyoliver2750]

Just testing whether I can post a comment.

[@marcokite]

nope

[@johnhudghton3535]

Worst ABofC since the Reformation? Welby or Laud?

[@marcokite]

erm.........Laud is one of the best Archbishops ever!!! He fought the protestant/puritan heresies. He is also a martyr.

[@johnhudghton3535]

@marcokite ah and that is where we differ.

[@williamwaynflete6336]

"byen passANT"???

[@rogeryoung5180]

How nasty can the Catholic Herald get? To attack the head of the Anglican Church, whether or not it is deserved is an unkind and inconsiderate act against Anglicans. This is hardly Christian friendship. How often have they run a similar article about one of their own problematic prelates?

[@OUTBOUND184]

Anglicanism is a steaming dump. A barnacle that needs removing.

[@Bob.W.]

Lol. The very essence of Protestantism is to be opposed to the Catholics. Hypocrite.

[@Bob.W.]

Attacking Catholics is ok then? This is what you folks have been doing since at least 1517.

[@marcokite]

You miss the point! The attack was not on Anglicans but on Welby, who did SO much damage to the CofE.

[@jtrevm]

Judge not lest..... your every sentence; your words of sulphur. Gentlemen, reap what you sow. There's a stench from you. Not of 'Welby'. Did you read Makin btw? And have you any history? This is not for any one of good spirit - you offend with the greatest possible polished intention. 'Father forgive them'.

[@davidmorrison2739]

Anglicans don't pray for the departed, George. Well, they shouldn't.

[@marcokite]

Actually they do and indeed they should!!! An exception being the low Church heretical section of the CofE.

[@davidmorrison2739]

@@marcokite Yes, the biblical ones.

[@arthurtaylor4391]

The Anglican problem is that it has no Magisterium, or Orders that can do theology i.e Dominicans. Sola scriptura is not enough. Consequently it is vinerable before secularism and its shifting mores. Secondly, it has been in the grip of Liberal theolgians since William Temple, who are basically ethicists only. Thirdly, since Henry VIII removed the CofE from the universal Church, it has been dependent on the political class, who now are secularist and have withdrawn that prop. Consequently it just another 'faith community'

[@marcokite]

No need to have 'orders' as the Holy Orthodox Church proves ☦☦☦

[@grahamebennett3875]

Quite rich when mr Ashenden who was sensible once devotes himself to the false Mary worship. If ever there was a heretic he is it.

[@tonyoliver2750]

Catholics venerate Mary, they don't worship her.

[@Russ1875]

You’re just showing everyone your ignorance if you think that Catholics worship Mary.

[@marcokite]

Oh dear - another protestant who believes the lies of the heretics. By 'Mary' I ASSUME you refer to the All Holy and Most Pure Mother of God. NO Orthodox or Roman Catholic has EVER 'worshipped' the Theotokos, that's something believed by children and atheists with no knowledge of the Faith. You only show your ignorance 'graham'. You get muddled by confusing love and veneration on the one hand with 'worship' on the other. How sad. Read some books. 'It is truly meet to bless you, O Theotokos, ever-blessed and most pure, and the Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, without defilement you gave birth to God the Word. True Theotokos we magnify you!'