The Cass Review Shames the Gay-Rights Establishment… - Andrew Doyle

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[@dalebaker3799]

Doctors that preform transgender surgeries on children are monsters. I mean why couldn't these EXPERIMENTS I mean "studies" on pedos or terrorist at Gitmo. This is akin to the NAZI Experiments and the JAPANESE experiments conducted by UNIT 731.

[@eiyukabe]

Hey, please spread the word. I was fired from a job I moved to Canada for (Ubisoft Toronto) for standing against this trans stuff on social media. Outside of work, mind you. My employer was spying on my behavior outside of work to enforce a solidified groupthink that includes supporting this ideology which is harming children. This is the largest scandal in the world. Please protect yourselves; it has its tendrils everywhere, down to video game developers.

[@joeharris2659]

Does anyone else think it’s a bit hasty for Andrew Doyle to be trashing ‘the gay-rights establishment’ here? Perhaps he can get away with it more easily than someone straight could, but surely it’s helpful to keep up at least a pretence of being pro-gay for the time being?

[@georgechristie9464]

Why..?

[@iolo6933]

​@@joeharris2659, no. Andrew Doyle is simply speaking the truth.

[@tracyaf6084]

The absolute insanity of causing physically healthy children to become sterile rather than try to support their mental health is just astounding 😢

[@clogs4956]

Because someone, somewhere, not only wanted to remove the LGBs from the equation, but also considered any young person suffering from mental health issues (or autism) should not be allowed to pass these on to the next generation. Basically, it’s old-fashioned eugenics.

[@khutchinsoncpa1]

Just another manifestation of progressive eugenics, circa early 20th century. Genius how they have now convinced mentally unstable/neuroatypical/homosexual kids they are being sterilized with their own consent.

[@julianlzb87]

In my youth, I'm now 67, there was once something called the Hippocratic Oath that doctors adhered to and, in my opinion, it worked quite well. Just because it was traditional does not make it bad. Perhaps someone could create an ideology from the HO and encourage ideologues to pick that one to base their life upon.

[@torgrimhanssen5100]

@@julianlzb87 they trashed that when they pushed abortion rights, we lost all the doctor's with morals.

[@patavinity1262]

That just sums it all up - insanity. And they punch, spit on and threaten anyone who dares question it.

[@caledoniasky-wc7lx]

I am a detransitioner. I transitioned in my early 20s and im in my early 30's now. I had very extreme self esteem and mental health issues as a young adult, I was also suffering with how to cope with my disability too and I think I wanted an escape, I went down a dark road and believed myself to be transgender. I do not understand how the NHS can say I have dissociative psychosis and CPTSD, offer me anti psychotic medication and at the same time sign off on sexual reasignment surgery for someone who was obviously not right or stable. I would not wish what I have gone through on my worst enemy.

[@jewelg.5354]

❤

[@rclooper2843]

Sue them

[@dcollins4679]

Neither do I. So sorry this has been done to you.

[@DarkAngel2512]

​@@joeharris2659studies show of theyre left 80-90% of those with dysphoria desist

[@MrJudgementday99]

Good on you I can’t imagine what you have been through, I just feel so much sympathy for you and others who I believe have been experimented on

[@wearelightbeings]

The people who have done this to their own children will fight to the death. They won’t ever admit they harmed their child because of a cult ideology. So sad.

[@patriciabrant8037]

Jazz's mother is the worst. Her and TLC made a lot of money. On Jazz and her transition.

[@churchofthegreenflipflop2436]

I think it is unbearable for a parent (who allowed their child to transition) to even consider that they have harmed their own child. 😬 Hence the defensive stance.

[@christopherwigfall6518]

​@churchofthegreenflipflop2436 we've all harmed our children despite our best Intentions. The refusal to acknowledge it is what's truly heinous about it

[@alisonjenner5821]

Dr Helen Joyce said as much on her KZbin interview with Peter Boghossian

[@johnl5316]

they WANT to harm their child, says this PhD clinical psychologist (& gay)

[@jennychurchill2716]

Well done Uk exposing this horrific ideology

[@jyyyb]

Every detrans needs to sue

[@n.y.f2490]

At the end of the day, that's the only thing that's gunna stop this. Money talks and bs walks. And these trans surgeries are much too profitable to just willingly stop. Not until the lawsuits start costing more than they're making off doing it, will things start to turn around.

[@johnnunn8688]

Sue whom?

[@n.y.f2490]

@@johnnunn8688 The hospitals an doctors who performed the surgeries. It's already happening.

[@johnnunn8688]

@@n.y.f2490 but what about the governments that allowed them to act out these disgusting practices?

[@n.y.f2490]

@@johnnunn8688 Well of course them too if that's even possible...just not sure if you can sue "the government."

[@janetrichardson2644]

I have always been stupefied that they insisted on treating mental health issues by physically changing the body through surgery and hormones rather than treating the root cause of their distress.

[@lil-al]

Not only that, but ONLY "physically changing the body" (that is, grotesque mutilation) and not even acknowledging the presence of other issues that are ALWAYS present with these kids, which of course never actually go away.

[@alex-qd6of]

There are several conservative (and other) trans people on YT, who speak against gender ideology, who say that transitioning truly helped them go from miserable and dysphoric, to happy and functional. Sometimes, it may be just gender dysphoria in need of transition.

[@benh715]

It’s like offering anorexia patients liposuction.

[@Locksden]

Gender Dysphoria can be real (approx. 10% of those that were "transitioned", almost all starting fairly early in childhood). What they did was ignore the factors that made people susceptible to the social contagion (mental health, ASD, influence from parents, school, etc). Note that this was known right back at the start. It was in the "Dutch Report" these people refer to. And professionals can identify "Social Contagion" easily via statistical analyses (highly uneven clusters of cases). This information was available all along. @@alex-qd6of There *is* a real minority for whom transition is appropriate. But the numbers indicate exceptional caution with minors - i.e. that the *default* in every case should be to wait until adulthood. And this has been known for a long time. Hannah Barnes' book "Time to Thin" is probably a good place for verified data.

[@emgene3]

The vast majority of children transitioning aren't make physical changes, but instead are changing pronouns are preferred names and clothing. Gender affirming surgeries for transgender children and cisgender children is usually only available at 16 anyway, the same age that many teens go forward with other cosmetic surgery (like rhinoplasty or lip injections). I don't support children getting plastic surgery, but just so you know, its already allowed for cisgender children to get affirming surgery, like breast implants or HRT. Source: Scientific American.

[@gnelson6200]

Don’t forget the lifetime of physical disability many of these young people will have due to these surgeries

[@einsteines]

The Cass Report. Rosie Duffield Graham Linehan. JK Rowling. The Michaela School victory. Let's hope it's beginning of the return to sanity in British politics. Us plebs have had enough of all this Liberal shite.

[@louiseparker1915]

Add in Kellie Jay Keene

[@pablodelnorte9746]

Unfortunately we have a Labour government incoming, probably with no opposition.

[@DrGreenGiant]

@@pablodelnorte9746 I'm starting to think (hope?) that Labour will collapse very quickly if they start messing. It'll make the Tory decline look tiny in comparison.

[@luizdevil6855]

Do you think they're going to leave the power that easily ? by democratic means ? they're screaming totalitarian shit already (which ironically they say its the right, but the right is just reacting) Time for the chop-chop machine.

[@DieFlabbergast]

When was this Golden Age in which sanity reigned in British politics? I certainly have no memory of this.

[@user-ol9gz1wp1b]

Andrew who is himself gay, is to be applauded for speaking out so bravely.

[@ghenulo]

A lot of gay people are against this new conversion therapy, "transing away the gay." What surprises me is the gay people who aren't against it.

[@stephanbateman5410]

@@LadyCaroline123 He is normal, what he chooses to do in the bedroom is down to him.

[@LadyCaroline123]

@@stephanbateman5410. Well, we’re at this crazy time because of people like him and people like him are as brainwashed as the trans people are. They are victims of propaganda and lots of people feel the way I do but can’t speak their own mind because of the easily triggered people.

[@user-ol9gz1wp1b]

@@LadyCaroline123 You know there are many incredibly decent kind sensitive men who can't help being gay. Its been the case throughout history.

[@user-im2hz4ki2o]

@@LadyCaroline123

[@hear.no.evil.]

Transgenderism lessons need to be halted immediately within our schools.

[@calstonjew]

Gay lessons too.

[@joeharris2659]

@@calstonjew The UK is still pretty pro-gay, so it’s probably not a good idea to follow the US right-wing’s attempts to lump anti-gay stuff in with anti-trans stuff quite yet. I appreciate the title given to this video is trying to pin this on ‘the gay establishment’ but I think Doyle is trying too hard to toe the official line, or at least to pay lip service to it.

[@kelleygreengrass]

​@@calstonjewpeople are born gay. No one is born trans.

[@emgene3]

@@joeharris2659 Its not a good idea "yet"? So thats the end goal? To end marriage equality? Adoption rights? Discrimination protection too?

[@joeharris2659]

@@emgene3 I fear it is. Trans people are the canary in the human rights coalmine. I think gay people are next on the agenda. But some people are showing their hand early…

[@docsavage8640]

You can't shame a group with no shame

[@blakesleyk.7166]

👍Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame. That and the resultant fact they have “no bottom” makes them truly dangerous. Mayhem Markle?!

[@nagillim7915]

But you can sue them.

[@killerbern666]

its hard to shame something that the president himself promote... they need to sue

[@calstonjew]

LGBTs

[@maureenbarclay2127]

I dont think its a coincidence that Tehran is the Trans capital of the world. Its clearly more acceptable to be trans in Iran than to be Gay.

[@barryledgister4496]

That is their actual official stance...better to have a `woman` in the family than a gay man.

[@legoqueen2445]

That's because being gay goes against Islamic beliefs. The government actually pays for the surgery. Men being castrated by the state is never a good thing.

[@IdaKiss]

Homosexuality is a big no-no under sharia law, so transition is an escape route. "the process of undergoing sex reassignment surgery in Iran is extensive and difficult. It is only available to people over the age of 18, and adults must provide written parental approval to get a permit for surgery. Psychologists often recommend sex reassignment surgery to people who question their sexuality in order to fit in with Iran's strict gender binary. Non-binary people do not have access to healthcare."

[@randallkelley3600]

The fact that it took a major study to tell everyone what everyone already knows tells you this all cult behavior.

[@ason4641]

They should ALL be in prison. Every single one of them.

[@chriso3479]

I just wish the term "gender non-conforming" would be dropped. If one means "sexual stereotypes," say that. Stop giving "gender" currency. It is meaningless.

[@emgene3]

Gender isn't meaningless because people's lives are influenced by gender. Womanhood is meaningful. The same way that if someone says "boyhood" rather than "childhood," an older man talking about specifically the way he was raised has importance and value. Gender influences the way people are raised and interact with others. And its not just biological sex, as we know, a lot of people are genetically or physiologically intersex, and many don't know it until they do a DNA test for it. The focus on gender is to focus on someone's experience of the world, their perspective and life! And away from sex which is becoming more a strictly medical term and more refers to whats under someone's pants, which is invasive and a bit absurd in the modern age.

[@vanessac1721]

​@emgene3 gender is an unnecessary term. Womanhood, boyhood, etc are defined by their sex. And different sexes have different lived experiences. This has always been known. We are designed differently. We have different hormone profiles. We have different aptitudes. This underlines the different lived experiences. Gender has no relevancy. It's a nonsense term made up by a pseudo scientist.

[@matthewclegg950]

Exactly this! I never identified through much of the sexual stereotypes of a man. Non-binary reinforces the stereotypes instead of breaking them.

[@evanburrows1697]

@@emgene3 Rarely have I read a comment more detached from reality. _"And its not just biological sex, as we know, a lot of people are genetically or physiologically intersex"_ 1 in 5000 is not 'a lot'. _"and many don't know it until they do a DNA test for it."_ To be intersex, it must be difficult or ambiguous to determine sex by normal means. If you have no physical symptoms and are completely unaware until a DNA test, then you are not intersex. _"And away from sex which is becoming more a strictly medical term and more refers to whats under someone's pants"_ Becoming? The literal definition of sex is defined by gamete cells which are produced by sex-organs and are required during sexual reproduction. Your sentence is as bizarre as saying "Eye colour is becoming more strictly a medical term and more refers to the colour of the eyes." *Um... that's literally what it means* _"which is invasive and a bit absurd in the modern age."_ Ah yes, millions of years of evolution is 'absurd'... because... you said so? As for "invasive" - yeah, that seems a more appropriate term for grown males who think they have the right to expose their genitalia in front of under-age girls in the locker room regardless of if they consent or not.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

100%. The ONLY valid time to use the word "gender", is when criticizing the mutulation-cult of "gender IDEOLOGY". Other than that, it's ALWAYS better to speak in terms of "sex"; "Sex" is evidence-based biologcal reality. "Gender" is a faith-based, authoritarian RELIGIOUS belief, with exactly ZERO basis in real-world empirical evidence. "Gender" ideology RELIES on people using the word "gender", when they really mean biologcal sex

[@killaloekittens2834]

Wait for the lawsuits. That's how it ends. Some of these children are now adults. Parents, teachers, professionals, schools and clinics be aware. The lawsuits are coming.

[@BbTenn]

Let us hope so!

[@emgene3]

Except the lawsuits aren't coming, trans and gnc people have been around since we've had written and oral history. One of the the first well known medical transitions was of a soldier who fought in WWI. You're just noticing them now, but people have been transitioning, but instead of getting their parents permission they were being kicked out on the streets or running away for their safety. You're seeing it now because this is the first time in a long stretch of history that we're not abandoning/kicking out or sending our transgender children to asylums. You're seeing more trans people now because people aren't so afraid for their lives now, not because its an "epidemic" or something.

[@nagillim7915]

Stonewall, Mermaids, Pink News and the rest need to be sued and held accountable for their ideology.

[@markwoodward4868]

The Australian ABC have not reported the WPATH Files or the CASS Report. They never will.

[@daisyhaven9831]

Even after getting called out by Media Watch for it! They did mention the Cass report after a few days, but still managed to suggest it had no relevance to Australia. Despite all Australian gender clinics being "gender affirming care" clinics, and (I think) having a higher rate of putting kids on puberty blockers than the Tavistock clinic in the UK. Australian health services are clearly going to cling onto doing this harm until shamed into ceasing by the rest of the world.

[@davecarson3D]

So depressing. Woke looming large in oz

[@SchrodingersTransCat]

The ABC did report on the Cass Report eventually. But downplayed it as irrelevant to Australia.

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

I am so glad that the adults have reappeared in society.

[@bkeevers6719]

We never left.

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

@@bkeevers6719 I'm glad some are listening to us again.

[@wojciech_leszczynski]

We're still here, although we're not as loud as those childish person

[@torgrimhanssen5100]

It took Sweden up to 1995 to abolish eugenics and horrendous psychiatric practices, don't underestimate human capacity to stay children.

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

@@torgrimhanssen5100 You would think we learned not to treat mental conditions with surgery from our experience with lobotomies.

[@user-ym2tp2lr1j]

It's absolutely absurd, how happily as a society, we are to welcome in the wolfs in sheep clothing. Ideology has no place in medical care nor do fanatics, what a shame.

[@DarkAngel2512]

The mistake sane ppl make is leaving these professions because they cant handle the crazies. So then we're left with the crazies.

[@JaneA544]

Defund and close stonewall and mermaids now

[@azimuth5620]

#defundstonewall #defundmermaids 🙌

[@colindooley4422]

Agreed, also defund any gay conversion therapy clinics. Make them all illegal.

[@littleinkling4604]

Pink News said no more than the Cass Report 'raised concerns'. The Tories are terrible, but Labour are going to bring about a whole new set of problems.

[@not_ever]

ALL OF THIS happened under the Tory's watch. NONE OF THIS happened prior to 2010. You know, the period of time when there was a Labour government.

[@not_ever]

Pink News is to trans people what Fox News is to American Republicans, a propaganda vehicle to keep people afraid of an imaginary enemy. It's not a news organisation by even the loosest definition.

[@iolo6933]

Correct! Pink News is a money-making enterprise. As soon as gay marriage had been achieved Pink News dived straight into a Trans campaign. Now that the Cass report has pulled the rug from under the trans cult, Pink News is mainly running articles about pop stars and celebrities. The owner of that website is of course desperate to keep his income rolling in.

[@gin1740]

The reason we call them children is because they are not adults!

[@vh6804]

I have been arrested for hurting the feelings of a trans activist. The young police officers thought they were doing the right thing. The police prosecutor described me as evil. The barristers at the court didn’t buy it. Haha. It was like a medieval witch trial!!! Cost us a fortune though luckily I could afford it.

[@wojciech_leszczynski]

Andrew Doyle is a brilliant man and I agree with pretty much everything he says. His speeches are a great addition to Triggernometry.

[@natoutes7412]

He also blocks on social media those who disagree with him, even politely. But you are right his opposition to gender ideology is good for us.

[@__loafy__]

@@natoutes7412 He blocks insane trans ideologues. People who sit around reporting people all day.

[@natoutes7412]

@__loafy__ actually no. He blocked a bunch of women who voice the fact inviting an AGP on his show wasn't a great idea for the fight against gender ideology. AGPs are not people we should listen to. They are narcissistic manipulator. I understand he would blocked those who are abusive and rude. But those politely voicing their concerns at platforming AGPs were blocked as well.

[@omp199]

@@__loafy__ You just replied to someone who said, "But you are right his opposition to gender ideology is good for us." (And who has a joke about transgender people on their profile picture.) I don't think you are talking to a "trans ideologue" there.

[@moreau1755]

The bit about Novara Media providing coaching about how to lie in order to obtain puberty blockers: Can you imagine the outrage if this kind of thing was applied to any other drugs? "How to trick your GP into prescribing temazepam"; "How to fool your doctor into recommending chemotherapy"

[@emgene3]

Unmarried women and girls had to lie for decades to be able to get birth control from their GPs because it was only given out to married women, often with their husbands approval. Food for thought.

[@barrypinkerton5685]

It should never have taken a report to confirm malicious insanity, there should be a study on why so many of us have accepted that any of this should even be given consideration

[@margiedenavarre7919]

Amen! Mass insanity!

[@Locksden]

Not insanity - just malicious. This was deliberate.

[@ellenoneill7853]

Thank you Andrew, keep calling out these charlatans. They need to be held to account.

[@brick6347]

The whole thing is like some sort of horrific, mengelean merger of thalidomide and lobotomies.

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

josef M almost certainly didnt do most of the things they claim

[@stevenrussell360]

I guess we also have Judith Butler to thank for all this. How on earth was she able to be taken seriously with her post modern Foucualt mumbo jumbo?

[@calstonjew]

The power of Homosexual Jewishness converts legitimate criticism into 'bigotry' as the words leave your mouth. "Need oi remind you that Genocide began and ended with the Holocaust..."

[@elkpaz560]

People invest a lot of trying to understand Foucault. They want to make it count for something.

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

Noticed the Trevor disclaimer on this video. The propaganda never stops.

[@Ifailedeverything]

We should be able to downvote or otherwise express our disagreement with these stupid ads.

[@DraygoKorvan]

Hit send feedback and report the Trevor project for sending misinformation.

[@marieparker3822]

I think it's the Algorithm that does it automatically. U-tube doesn't remove it from other channels either, if 'conversion therapy' is mentioned.

[@errin-mp1zy]

@@DraygoKorvan I do it every time

[@nursejoed]

@@DraygoKorvan Good idea, just did it!

[@TiGGowich]

We will look back at this in 20-30 years from now the same way we are looking at lobotomies today... with the same shock and disgust: "How could anyone think this was a good idea"." I hate - from the bottom of my heart - every trans activist who so much as even mentions anything related to child conversion therapy.

[@Outis634]

Shout out to Michael Shellenberger for releasing the WPATH files!

[@ktwashere5637]

why aren't the news outlets challenging Mermaids and Stonewall when they make these BS claims

[@Wendyj55]

Well that's the million-dollar question that loads of us, especially women, have been asking for years.

[@azimuth5620]

#defundstonewall #defundmermaids

[@ktwashere5637]

@@Wendyj55 its so infuriating isn't it. Those groups are toxic.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

You are being ironic, right?

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Especially women? A great many women have weaponised toxic empathy to crucify anyone who even asked questions.

[@adelezakus4795]

And there’s Scotland and their new policies that they’re pushing through with regards to what is male and female. I still can’t believe Scotland is doing this. I mean it’s Scotland. What the hell?

[@saffy565]

Well the story on the grapevine is that the marriage of Nicola Sturgeon and her husband Peter Murrell (who has just been charged with embezzlement) was a marriage of convenience, a smokescreen, in order for her to get to the position of First Minister and him to a well paid position in the party.

[@Fenristripplex]

And none of these criminal will be held accountable.

[@Martinvt123]

The Emperor’s New Clothes, by Hans Christian Anderson….when I read it as a young child, I thought it was a fairy story, instead it has became an insane roadmap for woke left wing ideologies

[@user-et5el9sg2i]

Yes, those who were afraid of losing their status (job, position, role, function) dared not speak or comment or mumble or grumble, and so a four year old (whose status and function is to be a four-year old) was the one who spoke up and called it out, out loud. That's what happened in the story. Glad to see The Emporer's New Clothes referred to. I'm glad that we have that story, to explain the situation. It's hard to explain even when using the story as a vehicle to convey a large set of concepts. I thank Andrew too, for speaking so clearly. In this video every sentence is clear and necessary.

[@LadyGodivaBelgium]

So it is 💯

[@sarahwilson7558]

Also 1984 “do not believe your own eyes and ears” I believe is the quote

[@user-nk1hn4eo6z]

This. This.

[@turdferguson9356]

KZbin can swoop in with all the "context" they want... what we've done to our children in the past decade is akin to the human experimentation of the 20th century

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

Like didn't we learn from lobotomies?

[@reddwarf4278]

“We”?

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

@@reddwarf4278 The alleged scientific communities. Lobotomies were a surgical procedure to treat a mental issue. A similar style of treatment is done today. Treating the issue with surgery instead of proper therapy.

[@emgene3]

If you're talking about conversion camps where children are psychologically tortured and taught that their burgeoning crushes and romantic feelings are sinful and disgusting? Then yes, we agree! If you mean gender affirming care? We've been giving gender affirming care for a lot longer than a decade. HRT for cisgender children has been available for a long time. A young girl who has high testosterone and has excess facial hair? Doctors give her HRT. PCOS? Doctors give hormonal treatments for that too. Young boy develops gynecomastia in his late teens? Doctors happily recommend surgery. We're fine with all of these for cisgender children, why should trans kids be different?

[@emgene3]

​@@charlesmuhmanson3928 In the USA, therapy is a precursor and requirement to access any gender affirming medical interventions from insurance companies. In many cases, a therapist over the course of at least 6 months, an MD, and often a specialist's approval is required before you can get ANY kind of medical intervention. Furthermore, some research shows that children receiving gender affirming care actually have much lower overall anxiety and depression, and limited distress overall, compared to their non-trans peers. My point is, while gender dysphoria is in the DSMV, being transgender isn't a mental illness. Even if it WERE, which it isn't, I'll state again that you can't access surgeries or hormones without a therapist's approval, often several. Even though some research suggests that medical interventions DO help without therapy, therapy IS still currently a requirement.

[@ktwashere5637]

this thing about kids lying to doctors is important. "Kids", ie aggressive and manipulative teenagers are going to have to come to terms with the fact that they have done this to themselves.

[@robertharper6481]

Criminality disguised as health care.

[@martinheath5947]

Guess what, illegal boat migrants are also coached on precisely what and what not to say in order to achieve asylum. Subversion is why 'social media' was invented

[@britblue]

Hopefully The Cass Report is the start of Rationality & Scientific rigour returning to dominate debates on Trans issues.....Hopefully

[@FemmeNatal]

Thank u Andrew for being one of the few male voices of sanity in this descent into gender identity madness.

[@AJManol]

💯 So sick. How can we not SEE how plainly WRONG this is for children?? #LGBA

[@coryhorton5837]

The parents refuse to admit they sterilized their children and doomed them to a radically higher self deletion rate.

[@lisaroper421]

All this makes me want to cry

[@blisterfingers8169]

Doyle on Triggernometry? YES!!!

[@elkpaz560]

Puberty is the way we sort out our 'identity.'

[@forsociopoliticalstuff2629]

As a member of the LGB without the T movement, we’ve been trying to talk about this for a while.

[@saffy565]

I heard you. You have been heard. Hopefully nice, normal LGB people can go back to living life in peace.

[@sorbabaric1]

My thoughts of why the T was added to the LGB are not kindly. What were the motives ? I often now see a valid concern or criticism of the trans activists as being said to be homophobic . . . Or being anti gay. When did trans and gay become the same thing ? What do the baby pink and baby blue stripes of the new pride flag represent? The brown ? How does the LGB community feel about being used by others for nefarious purposes ?

[@emgene3]

I pray you realize they won't stop at T. You won't be safe because they'll come for us next. The far Right won't want us around, they'll widdle the LGBTQIA down until its nothing and it'll be too late for you to realize you were part of the downfall of your brothers and sisters. In the states, the moment they passed bills limiting access to gender-affirming care they went straight for gay marriage and anti-orientation-based discrimination laws. The SECOND they knocked down trans people they came for marriage equality, literally days later. You think they'll continue to welcome us queer people once they've "defeated" trans people? You think they won't come for our marriages, adoptions, medical rights, discrimination protections, our inheritance or shared property rights? They will.

[@not_ever]

@@sorbabaric1 "How does the LGB community feel about being used by others for nefarious purposes?" In a lot of cases angry and frustrated.

[@emgene3]

My comment is gone, but I'll restate it: They won't stop at T. In the USA the second anti-trans bills were passed they were pushing to roll back marriage equality, adoption rights, inheritance and the rights of a spouse to be with a spouse in hospital, and anti-discrimination laws. They'll come for us gays next, they're just tolerating us for now.

[@davidjooste5788]

The word EVIL was created for these monsters.

[@churchofthegreenflipflop2436]

Nice to see Andrew Doyle on Triggermetry :-)

[@Thor-Orion]

Excellent work Andrew. These poor kids, I have immense empathy for what they have been through, are going through, have had done to them, and are continuing to have done to them.

[@awm1527]

Well done Andrew, keep fighting and exposing this nonsense. I can only hope some of these people are held accountable, but pretty certain they won't be.

[@grahamsimms8988]

It's utterly sickening. Shame on all the institutions who went along with this. I will never forgive the BBC, many many politicians and so many companies and organisations. We will remember what you said and did not say.

[@martinheath5947]

This is Salary Affirming Care, no less no more

[@TJ-kk5zf]

They will deny they ever supported it

[@kelleygreengrass]

No one needs to context from the Trevor Project about conversion therapy since trans ideology is the biggest proponent.

[@tracyaf6084]

I’m sure KZbin doesn’t understand the irony.

[@BlookbugIV]

It must be regional, I’m not seeing it where I am atm

[@AscendantStoic]

@@BlookbugIV It is regional, I don't see it.

[@Liz-be1wq]

@@AscendantStoicmust be a US thing

[@DrGreenGiant]

@@Liz-be1wq I am in the UK and I have it showing

[@wespaisley257]

How in the fuck did this shit become a thing?!

[@errin-mp1zy]

Because they brainwashed some easily led fools.

[@rclooper2843]

Kindness, they tell us

[@emgene3]

Because we're not kicking transgender children out of the house anymore, we're not sending them to asylums anymore, we're not making them so afraid they have to run away anymore. Thats why. It IS because of kindness. trans and gay people have been around in many countries' written and oral histories since as far back as we can look. Read a history book for once and you'll see this isn't the first time there have been "men in dresses" or "women who took on mens clothes and acted like men."

[@19822andy]

America.

[@Arkaner3]

There's a special place in Hell for those "specialists".

[@jyyyb]

Those who have done evil can never admit it

[@johnl5316]

these people WANT to harm the child, says this PhD clinical psychologist (& gay)

[@umamicashflow1809]

I’m heartened that more and more gay people are waking up to this second round of conversion therapy and social abuse. LGB without the poisonous TQ+!

[@themysteriousdomainmoviepalace]

Follow the Money----including the John Money!

[@rescyn1190]

The Conversion Therapy warning KZbin stuck on this really hits the mark! Le sigh...

[@Liz-be1wq]

Is this proof that transitioning kids is just the new conversion therapy?

[@H-youtube7]

report it as misinformation

[@rescyn1190]

@@H-youtube7 You can only give feedback. Which will go in the bin.

[@dcollins4679]

Trying to stop children from being permanently damaged by harmful puberty blockers, wrong sex hormones and experimental cosmetic surgical mutilation is considered hateful and bigoted.

[@emgene3]

@@H-youtube7 Do you even know what conversion therapy is like for the children who go through it? Being taught that their childhood crushes and innocent romantic feelings are disgusting and wrong? Can you imagine the shame and sadness those poor young boys and girls go through? Shame on you for being angry at the Trevor Project for saving lives with emergency hotlines and support teams, but you willingly throw our young children, many of whom are just beginning to question their sexuality to a conversion camp. Many conversion camps can't even legally use therapists, so they use counselors who have lost their medical licenses.

[@uppityglivestockian]

More Doyle is exactly what the doctor ordered for the UK and the world at large. Bravo.

[@ephraimwinslow]

Me at 13 right after seeing the Silence of the Lambs: "Yeah OK but... even if you got 'approved to transition' you're still not goin' from one polarity to the other. You're just staying one and getting sliced/stitched/stapled/stuffed/injected to the point where you *kinda* look like the other. From a distance. If you squint. And suspend disbelief. And make a point of being excessively polite." People I've tried to argue with on the subject, from then until now: 'bUt WhY dO yOu CaRe!? ThAt'S sO mEaN!!'

[@JumpCutThis]

What’s ironic about your steel man argument is that the case study for SotL is that, this man, who wished to undergo GRS was being treated by clinical psychiatrists in a clinical setting, and *he was denied the surgery* due to severe mental illness that made him an horrible candidate to have any sort of successful outcome post-op. At its core, dysphoria is still in the DSM-V and yet, we are now to the point of walking back the timeline. As a clinical psychologist, I did an entire dissertation on Gender Dysphoria- in 1988. It was, at that time, seen as a severe mental illness that was treated extensively. In order to even be remotely considered for GRS, you were required to undergo intensive psychotherapy (minimum 2 years) all options were laid bare, including how your body will basically behave much the same as with organ transplants, in that, rejection was highly likely, care/upkeep required hours of self care daily, and even if cross-sex hormones were employed, you still aren’t the opposite sex, and never would be. And at the end of the years, you were deemed a candidate, you still were required to undergo psychiatric care for years following. How did we get to the point where children can walk in and whine for 5 minutes, and walk out with meds?

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@JumpCutThis That's genuinely the first time I've ever heard the term steel man argument, and I'm pleased to know that my preferred tactic of taking a person's best case scenario and poking holes in it actually has official nomenclature attached. lol

[@robertmarshall2502]

​@@JumpCutThis As someone who clearly has a lot of relevant knowledge I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Wpath and the Wpath files. As awful as it has been in the UK I feel like the USA is a hundred times worse where they are openly bragging about transitioning non-verbal autistic kids rather than burying the evidence.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

In the case of the American/Private medical system I get it, turning children into lifelong pay piggies has obvious incentives, but in the case of the NHS I really do struggle to understand why alleged health professionals do these things.

[@emgene3]

Because the overwhelming consensus of modern scientific research supports the validity of gender affirming care for children of an appropriate age, which is usually no earlier than 16. Thats why. Because the overwhelming evidence is that trans kids who aren't provided gender affirming care, therapy, ability to change preferred name pronouns and dress are at higher risk of suicide? Thats why.

[@not_ever]

I personally think it's because there is no mental health support so it's easier to stick patients on drugs and give sugery to get them off the books quicker. In a similar vein, you can more easily be prescribed SSRIs than a couple of decades ago because the waiting lists for talking therapies are years long. It is a cost saving exercise (obviously badly costed because it works out more expensive but that's quite common for the NHS) and a target hitting exercise. It's what happens when you underfund a health service and give them bad metrics to hit. Then there has been an ideological infiltration of American gender political nonsense and a fear of losing ones career for standing up for what is right because whistleblowers in the NHS are not treated well and bullying has always been an issue.

[@torngrasp]

Another fantastically lucid video. You deserve an honorary medical degree. I don’t think I have done nearly so much good for the health and well being of children in my 25+ years as a doctor working with children than you. Keep up the excellent work.

[@ramiroaka9]

I think it’s better to give teenagers cigarettes and alcohol than this

[@evil7529]

They did it for the money too.

[@janelester6477]

Thanks Andrew Doyle for your brilliant analysis and the courage to speak up

[@Uhhhhhhhhh170]

On this video there's a fact check by the groomers at the Trevor Project

[@emgene3]

Conversion Therapy/Camps are considered human rights violations by the UN, just thought you should know. Also the Trevor Project saves countless lives annually with their emergency crisis hotlines.

[@noregretcoyote1808]

Bravo Andrew. Keep doing everything you can to expose this abuse. Please tell us what we can do to help and support your essential work.

[@IMDunn-oy9cd]

When you deny reality in exchange for social credit.

[@STEVEBINNION1]

Prison now 🌈

[@louiseparker1915]

Hope everyone has kept the receipts!

[@nickbarber2080]

...don't hold your breath for any apologies or retractions,though....

[@Carmela-bixoxo]

Me at 13 right after seeing the Silence of the Lambs: \

[@onetwo19]

The mermaids 2000 statement is shocking. What ideologues came in and transformed their charity after that?

[@Vanadisir]

This is a great clip to show people in your life who still will not listen and do not believe this is happening.

[@kenricnarbrough8191]

Well jesus Andrew, i didn't actually think you would be vindicated this soon. Congratulations and carry on fighting this mind virus.

[@sophry1]

Great piece Andrew, what a sad time we live in

[@Zrizzy7]

Can’t wait for this nightmare to be over

[@SolarShine]

Thank you Andrew Doyle and Triggernometry for making this video! ❤

[@outoforbit00]

Thank you Andrew for all your hard work and courage.

[@chatnoir5514]

What a great human being Andrew is - a haven of calm intelligence in these crazy times ❤😊

[@randallcurwen8041]

This has nothing to do with “gay rights.”

[@daisyhaven9831]

The more you think about this issue with a critical mind, the more abhorrent it gets. I don't understand how well meaning people can shut off their thinking to the point that they justify this or dismiss the harmed young people as collateral damage.

[@andy816896]

Am i the only one who noticed that the first BBC Question Time since Easter last night(18th April) had absoloutley nothing on either Cass or Gaza.

[@drogoreuak1347]

The fact that parents are even bringing up questions of sex to anyone under the age of 12 is insane. Seriously, let kids be kids and at 12 should only be caring about playing with friends and toys and any hobbies that make them happy. when kids are being confronted with questions of sex at that age, it is borderline grooming. Let the kids have a life and get them the mental health support if they are having questions trying to figure out who they are. My god, I'm almost 50 and still have days where I feel overwhelmed and can't figure things out. Why push that onto a child that has no clue at all.

[@shannonsayshi]

It's not the parents bringing this shit up... mostly... it's in society and schools, they're constantly pushing it. Youth movements have always been a thing (think goths) The problem is in all the institutions, including teachers, doctors, mental health providers, etc. They are ALL on board with it. It's surreal. If the adults would've stayed out of it, it wouldn't have grown to these dangerous interventions aka EXPERIMENTS being done on children and young adults.

[@emgene3]

The thing is, children at that age are experiencing crushes and having age-appropriate romantic feelings. Most middle schools in the usa cover heterosexual sex ed, about how to use a condom or how conception happens. Gardasil is recommended for children starting at age 13, not because children SHOULD know about these things, but that they're beginning to figure out about these things from other kids, from society, from tv, from life around them. Kids aren't being "confronted" with questions about gender at that age in modern schools. Have you actually spoken to an 11 year old recently? I asked my nephews what their school was teaching them about gender and biology and they have totally age-appropriate limited understanding about biology and a much more nuanced but age-appropriate understanding of sexuality too. They're already seeing gay characters in children's movies, alongside straight characters, school is just giving them the VERY basic vocabulary for children to understand. Modern schools aren't grooming kids through telling them that sometimes parents are a mommy and a daddy and sometimes parents are two mommies, its age-appropriate information about the realities of our beautiful and diverse world. ALSO kids are already exposed to plenty of romantic narratives through disney and dreamworks, which almost always features some crush or love interest, even if its not the main plot.

[@james_150_]

I love how YTube inserted a "context" box on this video linking to the Trevor Project... exactly the sort of organisation that led us into this madness 🙄. If YT brought in a Twitter/X style community notes feature, these legacy organisations would be the ones getting necessary "context"

[@autolicious]

Yes. People are entitled to their beliefs, until those beliefs start hurting children. Then we should reconsider if those beliefs are a worthwhile part of society or not.

[@JumpCutThis]

Andrew Doyle is an international treasure who must be protected *at all costs*

[@anewagora]

Detrans woman here. A therapist didn't like me saying I was healed from transgenderism because you're not allowed to call it a disorder. When I was transgender, it was viscerally obvious that it was a disorder. Our pain and suffering is erased by activists and LGBT culture because we're not even allowed to talk about our own suffering of this horrifying and torturous condition. My childhood was consumed by this suffering and horror trying to escape my body that felt deformed and mutilated. The deep dark terror of being cornered by this constant horror with no escape. People who keep trying to cover up our suffering are anti trans by definition. I'm fed up with these activists walking all over us and covering up our suffering.

[@rhoetusochten4211]

I love that we need to be informed about conversation therapy through the Context warning box 😅

[@sue.F]

At the very least, the NHS has accepted the Cass Report concerning the dangers of puberty blockers, but in New Zealand the report is yet to be acknowledged and we have the highest rate per capita use of this novel pharmaceutical.

[@rayarubin6147]

Absolutely LOVE this guy❤

[@martynspooner5822]

An excellent summary of this whole sad story. Obviously nobody is going to put their hand up and admit to complicity but they are known. Well done to this man, it takes courage even to speak on this topic since this idealogy has been allowed to take hold without the necessary precautions.

[@marieparker3822]

Brilliant exposition, Andrew. Comprehensive.😍

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

I remember back in 2015 working with a woman in a bakery who was in her mid-sixties talking about buying a tattoo for her granddaughter for her birthday and I was thinking how did this permanent cultural marking up of young people become so mainstream? A couple of years later I worked with a woman who was coming out of an abusive relationship with a tattoo 'artist' and she made an observation that has haunted me. She said tattoos are painful, it's hurts to get a tattoo. Then she said, the people that put tattoos on are people who actually enjoy inflicting that pain. That can't just be opinion, you'd have to like causing pain on some level to do it, wouldn't you? That just stuck with me. I remember wondering back in 2015 after the conversation with my co-worker, where is bizarre cultural fad of painfully and permanently turning one's body into an ego-infused advertising billboard leading? Now I know. This gender ideology of inflicting physical pain to distract from emotional pain seem to bear a close resemblance to 'cutting', but instead of just leaving scars, it shaves off entire body parts.

[@saffy565]

There are statistics that show surgeons have a higher level of sadism than the general population. Then there is the surgeon Robert Smith at Falkirk hospital in Scotland who amputated the legs of two healthy men with "body dysmorphia". The patients turned out to have a sexual fetish about being an amputee. The surgeon was stopped prevented from carrying out any more, of these ops, but always justified his actions.