The Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 45 - Histories Mysteries: The Lighthouse

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[@laeeg7412]

The day Jesse finally stops being a FREELOADER! jk love you Jesse

[@Cuptow]

When you guys say stopwatch(Mechanical pocket watch) you wind it, they usually last about 24 to 36 hours depending on their gears and spring, so it becomes your routine to wind it daily. The lighthouse had the same style mechanical clock, which you would need a key for, however since it's far larger, with larger springs that last far longer, since the captain judges that the disappearance occurred a week prior due to it not having been wound by it's key, that's how he got that timetable. I love mechanical pocket watches myself, they have more character. But I wanted to add that since their not commonly seen anymore. So I don't think the clock broke, since I don't believe they bothered winding it and checking. These were not detectives with clear notes sadly, but a good tale. Also that's where the saying have you got the time, came from, because you would cross-check your watch to theirs to keep the proper time, because they do lose time over a period of weeks or months, depending on the quality of the piece.

[@db1921680234]

The clock would probably have been gravity powered not spring powered. (using a weight pulling down on a chain to power the clock instead of a spring) Those typically will last about 30 hrs before they need re-wound. Which would mean it would be wound every day.

[@lanceuppercut6168]

@@db1921680234 Like a pendulum of sorts?

[@Cuptow]

@@lanceuppercut6168 type in Bing gravity clock mechanism, or gravity escapement clock, and then images, theres some CAD drawings of it. I've never seen one of these myself either, there's also a gravity pendulum to keep the clock from losing time but I think it's that.

[@QuantumConundrum]

As someone who recently got into watches you can get some that last less than 24 hours on Amazon. I get that you're talking about the good ones. Not so good mechanical watches will do 12-15 hours. (I am talking like 'bootleg' off brand Chinese watches.) Still, like you say these watches tend to have a bit of a flair to them that you don't see everywhere. The off brand ones I mentioned are like 30USD, but still interesting and relatively good conversation pieces. Watch collecting doesn't have to be an expensive hobby.. Cheers!

[@cmb132]

I had muppet babies wind up wrist watch as a kid

[@overlycaffeinatedsquirrel779]

The actual report made by Moore of his search for the men. He was a regular keeper at Flannan Light, and deeply familiar with the island's procedures. Of all that he reported inside the quarters, everything was just as it should be. There was no half-eaten meal, no chairs knocked over. To find any reference to these events, we have to fast-forward eleven years, to an epic poem published in 1912 by W. W. Gibson which dramatized the event. The mysterious elements from inside the house never happened at all - they were the creative invention of the poet Gibson. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What Moore did find, however, was the logbook, and it differed from what's in the popular retellings that include accounts of praying and crying, and a post-storm entry on December 15th. In a 2014 response to a Freedom of Information Act request for the true logbook entries, the Northern Lighthouse Board stated: We do not hold the logbook and no-one is aware of its whereabouts but lighthouse logbooks would not generally extend beyond recording tasks carried out at the lighthouse and the weather and sea conditions etc. ===================================================================================This dovetails well with Dash's finding that the actual logbooks were simply lost by the courts during the 1901 inquest. Moore's report also reveals that the logbook was in the handwriting of the principal keeper, Ducat, as expected; not in Marshall's, as in the stories. Never woulda subordinate write in the log, and certainly not that his boss was irritable or crying, where his boss would see it. Moore also recorded that the log's last entry was on the 13th, thus the popular final entry of the 15th is phony. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The published logbook entries are fiction. Their first confirmed appearance in print was 1965, when paranormal author Vincent Gaddis told the story in Invisible Horizons. He claimed to have gotten the log text from a 1929 piece by Ernest Fallon in True Strange Stories, but so far, nobody has been able to confirm this. author Mike Dash did manage to track down the elusive Ernest Fallon and his logbook entries. Turns out Fallon was almost certainly a fake name, and the True Strange Stories piece was fiction written by the author John L. Spivak during a confluence of two persuasive influences: The magazine was desperate for great fiction, and Spivak was desperate for money to support his young family. Moore also discovered some notes on a chalk slate from the 15th. Such notes would be kept throughout the day until they were transferred to the log. These never were and included nothing of interest. They should not be confused with the nonexistent logbook entries from the 15th ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Moore did find storm damage to the landing, though quite different from what is usually described today. The crane itself was unharmed, as it was properly secured for weather - contrary to today's stories. A block of stone weighing just over a metric ton had been dislodged by the sea and dropped onto the tramway. A lifebuoy lashed 34 meters above sea level had been torn from its ropes by the force of the waves. Walter Aldebert served as Principal Keeper at Eilean Mòr between 1953 and 1957, and documented just how bad the storms could be, in an effort to help solve what happened to his predecessors. He photographed spray hitting the lamphouse itself, 100 meters up. Once he nearly lost his life in a foot of strongly receding water just outside the lighthouse after a wave rolled over the crest of the island, 77 meters up. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The oilskins that Moore found missing from the lighthouse were worn by two of the men - Ducat and Marshall - only when going down to the landing. Six months previously, the keepers had been fined five shillings when some of the landing tackle was left out and was damaged. The leading theory has always been that when the storm hit, Ducat and Marshall put on their togs and went down to the landing to secure the tackle - not just to avoid another fine, but because the ropes were absolutely crucial if relief were needed. Seeing the great explosion of whitewater from a swell that might have taken them, or perhaps called by one of his comrades, McArthur rushed out to throw a line; and in his efforts, was likely taken by the sea as well.

[@patu8010]

Well. That definitely removes some of the mystery

[@daltonlucas5529]

An over 200 foot wave???

[@daltonlucas5529]

patu8010 buzzkill if you ask me

[@robotpanda77]

This entire comment is actually fiction.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------There is no historical record of this post using the wayback machine internet archive and it is likely a result of a malicious hacker attempting to fabricate a fake post in an effort to generate likes. The original comment was "hey great video guys" with no mention of any logbooks or fines of shillings. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------During a 2020 analysis of screenshots taken by youtube archeologist Dan Brown no evidence was found this post ever existed and the digital time stamp does not match when it supposedly took place. It did find this username was registered and active at this time but was mostly commenting on kitten videos as was common at the time.

[@appwhirlmaker]

This story was so neat I went down a research rabbit hole and found out that apparently the log entries talking about the storm and descriptions stating that there was an overturned chair and food still out are apocryphal and don't appear in any official records or first hand accounts. A little disappointing, still some cool fiction though.

[@ollie459]

Love these podcasts, i just started watching recently and cant get enough, im almost done with the whole backlog, and its made for a great quarantine

[@ollie459]

So wanted to learn more about the mystery so went to the Wikipedia page about it and apparently the stuff in the log book is fake, just little bits added to the story by newspapers or tabloids im guessing to spice it up and keep people reading

[@ceej802]

It bothers me a bit that Jesse, a guy from the Midwest, keeps insisting that the winds had to be associated with a confirmed storm. Frighteningly high winds sounds like straight-line winds, which usually accompany a storm system, but not necessarily rain, thunder, and/or lightning. These are the types of winds that rip roofs off houses in the Midwest on nights with no tornadic activity; so, imagine if a LIGHTHOUSE were buffeted by these kinds of winds. I cannot begin to imagine the sounds it would make, and it would unquestionably play havoc with the crate at the dock. In addition, if these winds can rip a roof off a house, they can certainly blow a man off a dock and out to sea. As for confirmation of the weather from another island, anyone who's been to London knows it can be storming in SoHo and cloudy at Heathrow; so, what might've looked like cloudy days from the neighboring island might have been straight-line winds for the lighthouse.

[@James11111]

"Doctor Who blamed aliens." Doctor Who ALWAYS blames aliens. It's a fun comparison i like to make between it and Supernatural. Because while they both have the "monster of the week" formula, aliens are the big thing separating them. In Doctor Who, EVERYTHING is aliens. In Supernatural, it's everything EXCEPT aliens.

[@richardwilliams5499]

Love this episode, love learning about history, more of these please!

[@Choubock]

Just to add something to the "all went crazy" trope, you have to remember that in the 19th century, canned food that was the main source of food on ships and lighthouses were contained in lead or lead alloy cans making the creepy solitary set-up plus lead-poisoning, so in a way maybe they trully started to hear the dead talk or "demons" because of said poisoning, add the volatile nature of the tough guy and you have a recipe for a very bad ending.

[@joaogomes9405]

"Nowadays you'd be like wow, what a cult" nobody tell him this is still very much a thing and people are known to traverse literal thousands of miles on pilgrimages from holy place to holy place on their knees. Also, about the Mary Celeste, that case has been pretty much solved for a few years now. The cargo of the Mary Celeste was comprised of barrels of denatured alcohol, that could not be drunk and were not worth enough money to justify a mutiny, nullifying the mutiny and drunken accident hypotheses. The most plausible answer is an high-pressure explosion. The caskets were made of porous red wood that was prone to leaking, and when the ship was found a few of the barrels were empty. Due to the bad weather, which was recorded on Captain Briggs's journal, the hold of the ship was sealed for days, creating a high pressure enviroment. Through some accident, maybe someone smoking or a lamp falling, the alcohol caught fire, which resulted in a high-pressure explosion that produced an impressive fireball, but due to the high pressure enviroment of the hold and the nature of the alcohol, burnt faster than it could scorch any of the barrels or wood of the ship, thus not leaving behind any scorch marks. This has been proven to be possible in 2006, when a reproduction of the hold of the Mary Celeste was created and filled with butane and paper cubes to represent the denatured alcohol and barrels. When the butane was lit, it produced a big fireball but did not burn the reproduction hold nor the paper cubes. A massive fireball on a ship carrying alcohol would definitely be enough to scare even a captain like Briggs, who was experienced and known to be very responsible and apt at sea, and so he gave the order to abandon ship before it exploded again. Briggs, his wife, child and all 8 of the ship's crew would fit on a single lifeboat, explaining why only one of the lifeboats were missing. They then more than likely drowned trying to make it to land due to the bad weather.

[@mickmack96]

Oh snap, my dad from Lewis in the Outer Heberdies told me this story when I was young.

[@Gibblesman]

One of my favorite mysteries from history is the tale of “the sea people” the sea people were this huge group of people who’s origin was never found out. There are ancient Egyptians writings about how they derived by sea and plagued all the land around them. They raided/attacked numerous powerful kingdoms at the time so the records are there. I just the love the mystery of where they came from and where they went.

[@andromidius]

Maybe early Viking raids? They really got around, and if they came a long way and didn't talk then their victims would have no idea where they were from. Long time period difference, but northern barbarians did long distance raids even during the Roman Empire era.

[@Gibblesman]

andromidius the issue With that theory is that it is known they weren’t one group of people, or ethnicity. It was a large conglomerate of people.

[@joaogomes9405]

​@@Gibblesman The egyptian records of the time show that the Sea Peoples were a confederation, described as coming from the northern countries, meaning probably central europe, balkans and mediterranean territories. More than likely they were Aegian tribes and central european mercenaries on raids. The depictions of captured Sea Peoples as well as battles against them by the egyptians show, respectively, central european looking peoples with bronze age era horned helmets and beards, and aegian trireme-looking ships. They couldn't be vikings since these were late bronze era occurences, approximately 1900 years before the viking raids. It could also possibly be several different migrations, raids and invasions by different groups, that happened close enough together that the Egyptians believed they were under an organized assault by a confederation of different peoples.

[@NekoiNemo]

37:30 Just staff lighthouses with introverts. Being stuck alone on a deserted patch of land for months, with nothing but food and books - i would kill for that kind of vacation! Well, aside from, obviously, having to perform labour-intense maintenance if something goes wrong...

[@AggressiveHayBale]

Oh it would a horrible place for an introvert. Imagine being constantly with 2 other guys. You eat together, sleep together and work together. It would be a hell for me.

[@Charok1]

@@AggressiveHayBale true, unless it was paired with two different sexes and love casual sex, haha

[@NekoiNemo]

@@AggressiveHayBale Yeah, the part of 2 other people completely skipped my mind. I was thinking of the "lighthouse keeper" character archetype you see in books and movies

[@Barnesofthenorth]

A combination of going insane and the guy inside seeing a wave or something and running out makes the most sense. Imagine living on a lighthouse like that, the clocks are broken and you are already going insane from the isolation and mercury, being added to with the lack of being able to tell the time making it seem like time isn't passing. Then you look out the window and see the only 2 people you have about to die, you know that you should stay inside and report what happened, but you've lost track of time, maybe you aren't even sure when the relief people are coming and all you can think is "I'm going to be left alone here for who knows how long". So you decide that rather than put up with complete and total isolation you're going to break protocol and run out into the rain to save them.

[@andromidius]

Mathias' great grandmother was born in 1911? Meaning she is 108 or 109? And still kicking? Damn, pretty badass.

[@terrafria]

My favorite Light House is one in America that is haunted by the lighthouse keepers wife's cat. Way back when one of the ghost shows, one that usually debunked rather than went crazy that their were ghost present, did a show on it. That was the main haunting there, just a cat.

[@nocomment9532]

Was waiting to see if this one came up, any news on the Skinwalker ranch episode yet? that case has always fascinated me and some new information about the owner of "adamantium holdings" has come out which has renewed my curiousity! Also thanks for the entertainment over the years, much appreciated guys!

[@vashengebretsen5570]

I enjoyed this episode. The Lock Ness bit reminds me of another lighthouse story (like Edgar Allen Poe's) by Ray Bradbury called "The Fog Horn".

[@JaninaStormborn]

Thanks guys, I'm kind of unwell, but non of the symptoms are Corona related :D thanks for giving me this hour of happiness during this weird times

[@cuddlingdeath4792]

This has to be one of my top 3 episodes I've listened to it at least 6 times, I can't wait for another Jesse history episode!

[@jinx17]

More history episodes from jesse! I think this was less a mystery and more an act of nature. Freak weather does happen, especially in the middle of the ocean I would think. Interesting nonetheless. The island is fascinating just to look at.

[@Etherealizer]

Damn. I think this is the first podcast that gave me chills.

[@randybobandy7203]

You'd love astonishing legends

[@jameswarner5878]

Excellent, now I know what I will be falling asleep to tonight!

[@tikapoejones4079]

Histories Mysteries great segment

[@anders_x3]

When you said that they could not have miscounted days, why not? imagine there is a days long storm and basically it is dark all the time, when you can't tell the time you'd not know when a day passes. i suppose that's far fetched but anyway it's not impossible.

[@alman50]

honestly I wouldn't mind more than 1 ad put one at the end of the show too, make some money man!

[@Spacecookie-]

I think was Cthulhu walking past the island too close. Accidentally bashed their crate and sent the sailors insane so they leapt over the side.

[@deadiste6523]

Easily in my top 5 favorite episodes.

[@joancolmenares9357]

I'd like to point out that Knee walking to church is still a form of pilgrimage in several catholic countries. Mexico, Costa Rica and Portugal. It's an act of devotion. Weird, but still happening

[@lokuzt]

As a Mexican, I can confirm this. On December 12 (the lady of Guadalupe's day) some Catholics go on what is known as "romerías" or "mandas" and make some auto imposed symbolic sacrifice that go from temporary vows of silence to pilgrimage on your knees ... and in some extreme cases self harming stuff like flagellation or wearing a crown of thorns

[@jcruz821]

Personally, I dont think I've ever heard of someone actually drinking fuel to get drunk, but I do know of a few people who would habitually drink rubbing alcohol to get drunk because it's insanely cheap.

[@bishop5362]

You have to pour rubbing alcohol through bread to make it safe fo drink.

[@esaedvik]

It used to be really common here to drink windscreen washer fluid, but at some point we moved to using denatured alcohol in it instead. Then we joined the EU and they allowed selling it with methanol in it and it killed hundreds of people. Methanol converts into formaldehyde and methanoic acid in the human body. Kind of a Darwin award, I guess...grim.

[@theverdantwolf5402]

Some fuel like racing fuel is almost pure ethanol or moonshine, has additives to keep people from drinking it but they just added those in the 80s/90s. Early motors for cars, planes, etc were invented with moonshine not gasoline. Ford used gasoline because you didn't have to retime your engine based on alcohol content. In an emergency you can make your own premium gas with a can of regular and a some liquor.

[@brandobian4576]

"Torpedo juice" on submarines during ww2

[@sailorinky]

YES.

[@HandsUpPromotions]

You guys should do an internet mystery episode on Mother Horse Eyes

[@manicpixiedckgirl]

Finally a Jesse episode, definitely didn't disappoint!

[@johnoneil9188]

There is always a girl, always a lighthouse. I really like historical mysteries and stories. Our history is so long and a lot of weird shit has happened that people never knew about.

[@lanceuppercut6168]

Watching this episode has made me want (granted, I don't know if you could pull it off on KZbin because of copyright issues but..) a series where you guys watch (and show) a movie with your guy's commentary, kinda like when you get with special features when you'd buy DVDs back in the day.

[@manemanera]

Did they never explore the church for any evidence? Or did they but they found nothing so it was never included in the stories?

[@madmonkee6757]

Circling a church or crawling up the path on your knees is still normal at pilgrimage sites.

[@theflowerhead]

I love the variety.

[@jarroddobben]

Apparently the director originally planned the lighthouse to be a modern adaptation of Poe's last story Alex was talking about, but was later persuaded to drop the Poe influence by his brother and producers

[@nedaraid3372]

This story sounded similar to me but didn`t know why until I had a flashback to Flapjack.

[@jarroddobben]

Also if you're theorizing the loch ness thing, I recommend reading ray Bradbury's Fog Horn, it's short and it fits in

[@MikeFougnie]

Can we have more Histories Mysteries

[@Zyntho]

Love me some chilluminati.

[@WuzzulWurb]

history mysteries are my favorite part of history

[@Deathwill]

Maybe McArthur was crying because he knew was about to be a part of like whatever Cthulhu cult thing the other two dudes were in. Then was forced outside without his coat, maybe bc he was gonna get like sacrificed or somethin

[@davidhopley2661]

The "God is over all" line in the journal may not be that unusual. The remote islands of Scotland were very conservatively religious. They still are to some degree today. Several places have signs on children's playgrounds which read "Please Respect the Sabbath." Other places straight up padlock the gates on a Sunday. It's likely that the men were devout Christians and the sight of a sunrise over the dramatic landscape of the Hebrides after the storm they perceived might invoke such language.

[@jaymarksman]

I had to skip ahead more than once in fear of spoilers for The Lighthouse, which I haven't been able to see yet, but I very much want to. I was going to go see it in theaters, but then the world decided I shouldn't go near people, and it's not available in my region in any other form yet. Other that that, great episode, love this mystery!

[@ConorChaos]

I blame the Naga. Illidan is on the move again.

[@kellerGonZo]

great episode, the whole time i tought you talk about the gerald butler movie, ive seen it, its literaly the same :D but godda go watch the willem dafoe one :D

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

I love histories mysteries!

[@keeganhardwick7132]

When upside down, the eye in pyramid looks like a flying saucer 🛸

[@tpickles67]

I'll say it: It's weird to not hear about some obscure British comedy duo at the beginning of the episode

[@dzh0rdan]

The Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 45 - Histories Mysteries: The Lighthouse

[@jasmin4947]

Big hype

[@eblackbrook]

FFS, guys. A clock from this period needed to be wound. It was evidently a 7 day clock. You actually read the words "The clocks were stopped and other signs indicated that the accident must have happened about a week ago."

[@Convalla]

do the jack the ripper ep we need it lol

[@vonVile]

For those that need an explanation to the movie The Lighthouse: The movie takes place in the afterlife and uses a bunch of Greek mythology. The opening of them arriving on the ship resembles crossing the river Styx. DeFoe's character is Hades/the devil, and the light in the lighthouse is heaven. This is the reason DeFoe's won't allow Pattison to go into the lighthouse and jerks off to the light. As for why Defoe jerks it is he yearns to return to heaven even though he can't. When Pattison gets to look at the light and screams falling down the stairs is him being judged. The one scene in the real world with the seagulls eating out his guts is him returning from the dead.

[@larsmuller97]

Old people and verry religious ppl still do the knee walking around the churches thing here in Romania today

[@vazzaroth]

Hell yea, bring that audio down, Alex. Bring it reaaaallllll low.

[@kus88]

Ease up on the mid rolls please... you have an ad at the beginning as well anyway.

[@RufusOmega]

KZbin are the ones that decide if and where the ads run, not the uploader.

[@augustvalek]

That long ass message via telegraph? No way, it would have taken at least an hour to send it

[@dannymo4390]

Luv u!

[@josephtowe]

Is there a breakdown of how much cash they need for the show on the Patreon? I don’t like double dipping into ads and Patreon without reason especially when Jesse is involved.

[@AaronCasey92]

Is there a problem with Jesse and patreons? Also, if you got the patreon stuff you wouldn’t get ads

[@joelmiller2112]

You’re fond of me lobster!

[@Charok1]

The God Damn Farts! ;) Did you see that recent Lighthouse movie? haha

[@warrenokuma7264]

Ergot, lead poisoning from lead soldered cans?

[@tomaszskowronski1406]

24:50 Boy, Jesse is still saying "Cum" instead of "Calm"

[@loganstanforth]

How did you not know about the new movie lol???

[@PepicWalrus]

Jesse Episode at last.

[@rkrokberg]

Yer fond of me lobster, ain't ye?

[@Charok1]

NO!!!

[@warrenokuma7264]

Thinking one went nuts, killed the other two, wrote crazy stuff in the journal and committed suicide.

[@chriswolfe351]

I have such a weird feeling right now. Jesse made me want to watch the Lighthouse so much, but Alex kinda made it sound like a bunch of pretentious bullshit. I guess there is only one way to find out. Also, "God is over all" sounds like the thing you would write in your journal when you are about to go settle a score and don't expect to come back.

[@wowiexist9875]

Lmao "eddin-borrow" Its pronounced "eddin-bruh"

[@ponderosa1873]

Ad in the video and ten ad stops. That's some thirsty ass trash to do.

[@TRohrich]

I get that people need money and all but these mid roll adds on KZbin are a bit much. One or 2 adds would be fine, but there were three in the first 20 minutes. Stack that with you guys asking for money via other means and getting sponsors for your show and you are really stretching decency.

[@baileyhollywood6999]

Tim Rohrich bro this is literally free

[@lotoreo]

The 10 second holding your breath thing is bullshit - honestly I'm worried about you guys if you thought that crap was real (also really casts a ton of doubt on all the other "facts" you share on this show) - Don't fall for bullshit, you can't just randomly pick and choose what to believe like you would pick a favourite colour. Some things are true and some things are false. the "10 second" thing is false.

[@alexvillain1540]

Poor episode.☹

[@lexxsadbuttrue]

18:20 i think the clock was one with a key and a spring that once in few days you need to wind it up with the key like a toy