The Collected Works of C.G. Jung - Volume IX (Part 1) - Chapter 3 - Concerning Rebirth

[@Barnioks]

Timestamps: 0:35 1. Forms of Rebirth. 1:22 A. Metempsychosis. 2:22 B. Reincarnation. 3:02 C. Resurrection. 4:04 D. Rebirth. 6:03 E. Participation in the process of transformation. 7:52 2. The Psychology of Rebirth. 11:05 I. Experience of the Transcendence of Life. 11:10 A. Experience induced by ritual. 14:33 B. Immediate experiences. 16:32 II. Subjective Transformation. 17:04 A. Diminution of personality. 20:41 B. Enlargement of personality. 26:52 C. Change of internal structure. 34:48 D. Identification with a group.

[@FilthyAniimal]

Cain what you’re doing here is amazing! Please don’t stop!

[@kevinking7414]

These are so good! Thanks

[@IconoclastGermane]

I just want to say thanks, Cain. Your work and effort has helped me grow a lot. Keep going. You are appreciated.

[@caine3410]

That's quite uplifting to hear, thanks. Godspeed on your journey.

[@IconoclastGermane]

@@caine3410 You as well

[@finophile]

btw: @ 1:25:34 "ouhhh boy" ... subtle and excellent ... I love your work, and your adroit handling of the complex subject of Karl Jung

[@srenfrederiksen1633]

Thank you, mister, for this audio blessing!

[@finophile]

mate, enjoyed too much? This stuff is fantastic. I only wish I read Jung in the original earlier, but perhaps I would not have been ready. I hope you were as enriched by reading this as I have been by listening.

[@christopherrobbins9985]

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[@SirHosisofLiver]

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[@caine3410]

Cheers mate! Audiobooks/podcasts are truly gamechangers. They can improve your quality of life by so much, I honestly don't know what I would do without them.

[@HodsBroo]

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[@Unanythang]

1:34:00. Note for "self" 😅

[@SimonJHeath]

Thank you,

[@northspack]

Caine do you have a sound cloud account is there any way I can listen to this without KZbin? I sleep to this it's powerful

[@caine3410]

Heh, I can't quite tell whether this is a low-key insult or not, but you could always download it with ClipGrab or something similar and listen to it offline. I might bother with setting up a place eventually where you could download the audio only, I just couldn't find a good enough free alternative yet.

[@northspack]

@@caine3410 no way Caine, I love this , it's great and your a good reader , I like to listen to this when I'm winding down and I have to leave the KZbin page open and it kills my phone battery sound cloud let's you close your phone and still listen that's all I was asking, and your about the only guy doing this with Jung ... Also did you check out spokenverse" his channel is amazing his voice is absolutely stunning to listen too especially poetry.....Bukowski: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGfFc5aBmbaFaMk

[@maxtheawesome4255]

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[@Debunker246]

thanks for this

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

I think the vernacular of this section makes it sound more esoteric than it is. Rebirth is simply a motif of psychic change: in order to be come that which you are not; to be born as it, you must first cease to be that which you already are; to die. And who could deny that are lives are constantly subject to change? As an irrelevant side note and an addendum to what I was commenting on before, the idea that the world is spiritual -- made up of something akin to subjective experience -- is a metaphysical concept. However, what's far more difficult to grasp is that the idea that the universe is material is also a metaphyscial concept. Neither of these things can describe reality because they are words; thoughts articulated by language. But reality is not a concept or a word. These are *thoughts about reality,* but not reality itself. Reality just is. This is why the aforementioned distinction of the soundwave and the experience of sound is so important because if one is to ascertain what is real, one has to parse away ones conceptions of reality from the reality itself. When you do that, in a similar fashion to Descartes removing everything he knew from the table, you find that nothing you know is veritably real at all. This thing you call a life is a purely pragmatic collection of subjective ideas. "But surely if reality were subjective, I would be able to manipulate it with my thoughts and do all the other woo woo nonsense the new-agers are talking about." Before I'd practiced mediation I might have agreed with you, but a common experience of every person who begins to meditate is the realization of just how out of control your thoughts really are. Who knows. Maybe this is all my imagination and I could bend spoons with my thoughts if i wanted to -- but what I *want,* let alone what I *think,* isn't within my power. I'm not a thinker separate from my thoughts because the ego is an illusion. Me changing my thoughts would be like a leopard changing it's spots. The capricious course my mind takes, for all intents and purposes, is as immutable and deterministic to me as the motions of the stars in the sky. What I'm getting at is that a subjective reality would not necessarily be distinguishable from an objective reality because, bizarrely, our own *subjective* thoughts occur to us like *objective* happenings! The objective and the subjective really do seem to be two sides of the same coin. I've never put things to myself this way before and I'm getting excited with what I've concluded, so I'll leave it there. I'd like to thank you again, Caine, for our earlier discussion. It's a strange thing how you don't know what you think until you've talked about it.

[@caine3410]

Okay, I think I see what you're going at. You're obviously quite interested in this subject, so if I may interest you in "The Problems of Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell, I think the first few chapters (3-4 IIRC) would be to particular interest of you (that is, if you haven't read it already). You can listen to it here: bit.ly/2NEB8Q6 He goes into the nitty-gritty of this stuff, which, honestly, I just can't be bothered to do. I'm very happy that others do the heavy lifting required in this field though, it's just I don't particularly find it interesting, at least not on this level. So I just have one thought to add: Don't fall into the trap of thinking your mind is unchangeable, and that it is your overlord in a sense (it's even weird to type down, I honestly just cross my fingers and hope you'll know what I mean by saying that). I think - and believe - that willpower and free will combined can overcome any caprice of your mind. Yes, even rebuilding your whole psyche is possible. Not easy, but certainly not impossible. You are your own master.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

With all due respect, I think the only problem with philosophy is the idea that things can be philosophized: People try to catch the water of reality in the net of conception and gape in wonder as it seeps through every time. Sorcery! No, I don't blame you for being disinterested in this subject in the slightest. (I don't mean to sound like I'm above performing a good magic trick on myself like the one I did in my previous comment, but you do have to admire the absurdity of it all from time to time. I'm not trying to say that philosophy is futile -- we'd never know the area of a circle if extremely clever idiots hadn't tried to turn them into squares -- but it's important to keep things in perspective. At any rate, another reason I think the problems Bertrand Russel brings up aren't really problems is because I don't think of unanswerable questions as imperfections. If there were no unanswerable questions, there would be no philosophy. In it's place, we'd just have another science like all the rest. I've changed my mind. Philosophy has a second problem: being treated as though it's a science.) Oh, I wouldn't dream of striking free will out of the equation, if that's what you're thinking. What I'm driving at is people see all the suffering and depravity in their lives and ask, "Why?" To which I observe, "You act like you didn't want it this way." If you understand what I mean by that...well, I was about to say there are entire volumes I don't have to commit to this comment box, but firstly the nature of the information in question makes that perfectly impossible, and secondly there would be nothing that would even pass for a point of contention between us in the first place. (Except maybe the ironic pretense of one.) But before I sound incredibly transcendental and conceited (nevermind -- five paragraphs too late) I would like to thank for you presenting me with that link and I will listen to it with the aim of understanding where you are coming from. I didn't come the short distance I have by being right. Hopefully it'll tide me over until you have another chance to record. As always, it's a pleasure speaking with you. ...Actually, before I go I'd like to present you with an audio-book in kind. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4CciWChrch5e9U I don't present this to you with any didactic aim of persuading or dissuading you of anything. Just give it a listen. If you find it interesting, tedious, heard it all before, or think it's a load of nonsense -- that's fine. It's certainly not for everyone. One way or the other I hope you approach it in the same generous spirit of curiosity that you seem to enjoy when reading Jung. I just though it might be of service since ideas like those broached in this book are almost as central to Jung's thinking as the archetypes and the subconscious in general.

[@ryanmcfarland6592]

Thanks for this