The Comanche and Mongols | How Horse Archers TERRORIZED the World

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Dates and Dead Guys

Dates and Dead Guys

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@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
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@ahappypikachu9753
@ahappypikachu9753 11 ай бұрын
Fascinating Video as always! Do you think you could do one on Dr. Joseph Medicine Crow; the last Crow-nation war chief, who brought his people’s way of war with him to the Western front of World War Two?
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 11 ай бұрын
@ahappypikachu9753 he is on my list of folks I would like to do something with. In the meantime, if you are looking for something on him, check out episode 94 of History on Fire. It’s a podcast. Danelli Bolelli did a awesome job. He gives the history of the crow then tells the story of JMC
@grizwoldphantasia5005
@grizwoldphantasia5005 Жыл бұрын
There's a book, Comanche Empire, by a Finnish professor. One of the side effects of nomadic culture is that if you kill a buffalo, deer, bear, or other large animal and don't share it, you are throwing it away, so it is not only moral to steal that excess before it goes bad, it is immoral to not steal it. Hoarding was the cardinal sin. Europeans had factories, mines, workshops, and the workers to run them and savings to build them, and stores and warehouses to distribute them. We are all familiar with this. When these two cultures met, they were utterly foreign to each other. The Comanches saw farms and ranches and stores as hoarding, and it was immoral to not steal what they needed. Then they'd come back the next day to trade the same stolen goods for horses or textiles or metal tools, and the Europeans could not understand this brazen attitude. I'm sure I've paraphrased this much too simply. It's a fantastic book.
@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mv
@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mv Жыл бұрын
I know I stole from you yesterday, but that was yesterday. But Today I got stuff to sell, what's the problem lol
@jameshill8493
@jameshill8493 Жыл бұрын
@@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mvI mean it didn’t look like you guys were using it
@steakeater4557
@steakeater4557 11 ай бұрын
@@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mvselling? It’s just sitting there.
@HanoiHustler
@HanoiHustler Жыл бұрын
The Mongolian empire was no joke.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
It is just unreal how powerful they seemed to be. Although, when they left the steppe, a lot of that seemed to fade. When Kublai Khan started South and they found some trouble, especially in jungles. Go figure.
@jondohnson5538
@jondohnson5538 Жыл бұрын
I can shoot an arrow through a fleas arse @100 meters on the run… that’s a fact.
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
​@@datesanddeadguysthe jungle is a major problem for ANYONE not from there. Look at Alexander when he got to inner India, sure he won the battles, but his troops started getting terrified of what they were walking into. Is the middle east part of the steppe??? No, and they crushed them with ease whenever they had a royal family general. Mamluks just got lucky Mongke didn't die 6 months later or Hulagu would have crushed them as well.
@kday6340
@kday6340 Жыл бұрын
@herbthompson8937 it's always surprising to me that India has won any military action. Over a hundred years of competing in the Olympics, and they've only won 10 gold medals with two of those in individual sport. They have such a large population that purely by chance they should have won more, but they haven't. Are they statistically the weakest humans on the planet?
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
@@kday6340 the way they treat women in that sh!thole country, they might be the weakest men on the planet. As far as winning battles, I would say terrain, elephants and outnumbering by alot their opponents would be why they won some battles. Up until the Timurids, no one really was able to get to the interior of India. Imagine seeing a King Cobra or Tiger for the first time, hahahaha I'd be running in the opposite direction as well
@eugeneariz4395
@eugeneariz4395 Жыл бұрын
One thing the Mongols excelled in is the resupply issue. The had plans in place where they could move a desired distance, often up to 100 miles and have an advance group already set the camp up with food and sanitary issues taken are of. They also drove their domestic animals on campaigns so their food issues weren't a disadvantage to a mobile force
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. When you get your supplies on the go there is no need for supply lines. It creates a logistical advantage other civilizations had to deal with.
@googane7755
@googane7755 11 ай бұрын
​@@datesanddeadguysRight no other settled society had this advantage and this meant that the mongols could conduct campaigns thousands of kilometers away for years on end. Where they went made no difference as the saddle was their home.
@frenchroast1355
@frenchroast1355 Жыл бұрын
Love the idea of making a Comanche bow video. Heck yeah. That way I can get jonesed about yet another project to add to my already ridiculously large list. LOL. Yes please.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
I know the feeling. I have to get on it. I have a pipe dream of taking it out for deer season.
@mfischer2948
@mfischer2948 Жыл бұрын
Your Grandfather made some stick bows. He also hunted deer with a longbow.
@JaMeshuggah
@JaMeshuggah Жыл бұрын
I too wish to see the bow video.
@jonahhex8178
@jonahhex8178 11 ай бұрын
​@@datesanddeadguysyep. Definitely get on it. I've been planning on a winter bow project for ten years now and it ain't happened yet. Maybe you can inspire me to get off my tail and do it this year.
@doop6769
@doop6769 Жыл бұрын
The Mongols would have destroyed them. They had superior military tactics. The Comanche were mostly raiders and lacked the organization and structure to wage war. If the Comanche had the bow of the Mongols, that might have balanced out the armor the mongols wore. So the Mongols could outshoot them being able to take more hits with an arrow. I'd also add in the quality of who they conquered. The Mongols won against organized militaries and defeated many nations and types of armies, so they needed to adjust tactics to their enemy. The Comanche basically used their horse skills because they were the only ones who possessed them. The Mongols could match that taking their biggest advantage away. And if the Mongols took out their war leader, the rest would run off. The Mongols had a rank structure to assume command if one went down.
@hiimryan2388
@hiimryan2388 2 ай бұрын
THIS
@tracyjames2046
@tracyjames2046 3 ай бұрын
In many accounts the Comanche were said to be the finest and most deadly light Calvary on earth. Superb horsemen who were acclimated to horseback life, put in the saddle at 4 years old, more at home on a horse than their own feet. I admire few as much.
@schneejacques3502
@schneejacques3502 Жыл бұрын
I think a better comparison would be Comanche vs cossack since they were in simlar time period and cossack were supposedly good cavalry
@G0rdy92
@G0rdy92 Жыл бұрын
Cossacks would clear right? They were a blend of “Western” style combat and nomad. I mean Russia used them to beat and subjugate nomad factions like Mongols, Tartars, Turks and others that had millenniums of nomad warfare experience/ took and subjugated empires themselves. Comanches were relatively new to the nomad lifestyle with much less experience than the Steppe Tribes Cossacks beat
@EchoVortex713
@EchoVortex713 6 ай бұрын
@@G0rdy92Cossacks only advantage against nomads were their firearm .
@melissapinol7279
@melissapinol7279 2 ай бұрын
​@@G0rdy92And when the Cossacks had dealt with the nomads, they became violent in their own country. My own great grandmother was a Russian Jew, and she told my dad how the Cossacks would ride through Jewish villages and horsewhip the men, violate the women, and burn down houses! Just For Fun. Because of this barbarous behavior, when I took my DNA test I found out I was part Russian. Hmmm. But Jews are Matrilineal, if the mother is Jewish , so is the child. In the end, the family slipped over the border into Poland and immigrated to America. Because they didn't want to suffer another Pogram. I guess highly trained cavalry needs something challenging to do or they go nuts.
@wellersonoliveira5334
@wellersonoliveira5334 Жыл бұрын
I been called indian my childhood/teen years,( even today) but now I take as a compliment. Proud of my roots and love your videos my man ❤💪
@Endwankery
@Endwankery Жыл бұрын
What tribe are you descended from?
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. You have a fascinating history.
@deepindersingh8781
@deepindersingh8781 11 ай бұрын
Bro wtf are you talking about? you’re not an Indian you’re an American. if you’re an Indian and who the fruck am I. Learn some friggin geography you friggin dumb wits and stop confusing everyone
@wellersonoliveira5334
@wellersonoliveira5334 9 ай бұрын
​@@Endwankery I am from Brazil, my aunt was indigenous. But the thing is, I never got to even know her. The sad thing about our history here is, Its destroyed to a level, most people don't even know they are very close related to "indians". In some ways, Its was worse than the US 💔
@georgeford6439
@georgeford6439 Жыл бұрын
Comanche were picked on by other tribes supposedly. The description here would also tie in that they were of smaller stature, hence their prowess on horseback, and fighting atop their mount. After gaining horses from the Spanish, whether directly or indirectly, they were feared by even the Apache. The Comanche along with German immigrants in the Texas Hill Country, honored a treaty between both parties 17:58 duringlatter part of 19th century. The Easter Fires in Fredericksburg, TX. Still honor this tradition. Also check out the Pacific War Muesem, interesting history of Admiral Nimitz and Japan at the end of WW2 and a tradition that is still honored by the Japanese to this day.
@thegreatermysteries4134
@thegreatermysteries4134 Жыл бұрын
Great episode. More like this, please. Also, would love to see the bow-making episode/series.
@davidmuir7711
@davidmuir7711 Жыл бұрын
I’ve often pondered this question. In my estimation I see the Mongols as a corporation. Organized to the nth degree, with leadership at every level trained to serve the corporation. Once assigned to a unit the leader and his men were going to see it through. The Comanche were not so structured, young warriors could opt out if they wanted and run their own operations, so unified cohesiveness was not their metier’. I believe Khan and his Mongols would have prevailed.
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
It's not even a question
@googane7755
@googane7755 11 ай бұрын
Mongol tribes were actually just as unorganised before Genghis Khan came along. He had to make tons of reforms to make them the absolute war machine we know today. He even had to decree that no looting was to take place before the enemy was defeated which shows just how highly organised the mongols became by the end of his life.
@alienlife7754
@alienlife7754 11 ай бұрын
Oh without a doubt. The Mongols did not use stone age weapons like the Comanche and pretty much all native American tribes did. Now if the Comanche were given guns it would equal out more, but the Mongols would still win. Almost guaranteed.
@timexyemerald6290
@timexyemerald6290 4 ай бұрын
​@@alienlife7754 their weapons where already tested by old world
@rossburney8713
@rossburney8713 Жыл бұрын
New upload? My Saturday just got way better!
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
I love hearing that people look forward to these.
@mannydiaz5941
@mannydiaz5941 Жыл бұрын
The bow would be so cool looking forward to that video
@AlecBoyer-f6u
@AlecBoyer-f6u Жыл бұрын
Please build and shoot the Comanche bow!
@J-S-VAL
@J-S-VAL Жыл бұрын
bow video would be awesome!
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
I am excited about that one. Could for sure be a disaster but that just means a second try.
@danielcombs3048
@danielcombs3048 Жыл бұрын
Another fantastic and interesting perspective between the two waring factions. I agree that the mongols had an advantage. Because of the sheer numbers, weapons and armor. But also there pure determination. Didn't they march Themselves and elephant's 🐘 over the Alps too fight? PS yes I would like to watch the production of your long bow 🏹. Thanks for all your insightful knowledge 🐎🏜️
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
The catheginians marched the elephants over the alps. It was an expedition led by Hannibal in the Punic wars. The mongols did fight war elephants though in India. They did not like it. They scared their horses
@mr2981
@mr2981 Жыл бұрын
Horses didn't come to America until the Europeans, so the Comanche certainly didn't have anywhere near the time with horses that the Mongols did.
@danielcombs3048
@danielcombs3048 Жыл бұрын
@@datesanddeadguys ok thanks, I stand corrected. I will have to do a better job at learning history. And that is why I watch your blog. Appreciate it. Thanks you very. much.
@atomizedart411
@atomizedart411 Жыл бұрын
yes to the bow video. would like to hear your researched technic.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
The Comanche have a super unique shooting style. Lars Anderson has made some videos on it. They shoot with the arrows on the opposite side of the bow that you would expect. They kept a clump of arrows in their bow hand and would reload over the string in on motion for rapid fire. They also didn’t draw as much as the plucked the string. I am going to look like a goof but I am excited about it.
@galenbjorn443
@galenbjorn443 Жыл бұрын
Love these kinds of videos, do more!
@WildBill-kf2pc
@WildBill-kf2pc Жыл бұрын
Hope to see you very soon. Well done as always.
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho Жыл бұрын
Great video! Interesting topic, would be cool to see a vid of you trying horse archery!! Also the Mamluk Turks were great at halting the expansion of the Mongols into the rest of the Middle East and Egypt, mostly because they too were horseman and had a large trained cavalry
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
The Mamluks got lucky, that's all. Their horse archers were a watered down version. Mongke died which forced Hulagu to return back to Mongolia with 80% of his army, leaving a bum general, Kitbuqa, behind. And once Hulagu came back to finish the job, Berke started the process of the Mongol Empire starting to splinter by allying with the Mamluks against Hulagu because he was butthurt Hulagu destroyed Baghdad. If Mongke died just 6 months later, the Mamluks would have been easily run over.
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho Жыл бұрын
@@herbthompson8937 I see the internal politics of the Mongol royal family influenced the outcome of that conflict, thanks for sharing
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
@@DavidAguilar-wo6ho I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho Жыл бұрын
@@herbthompson8937 I’m being grateful that you shared your knowledge on the subject, that’s all
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
@@DavidAguilar-wo6ho sounds good! I'm a huge fan of most of the steppe armies. The Mongols really were so close to conquering from Pacific to Atlantic. A couple untimely deaths screwed them. But in the end, I blame 2 men, Berke and Kublai for the downfall of their empire. Berke allied with outsiders, the Mamluks to fight against Hulagu. Kublai became the Great Khan and just decided to allow everyone be semi independent instead of forcing his power on everyone.
@Jibily1
@Jibily1 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for your channel to take off. You do great work, dude. Keep up the awesome videos!
@HanoiHustler
@HanoiHustler Жыл бұрын
Never forget the Gurkha's .😱 Gurkha's vs Apache
@hiimryan2388
@hiimryan2388 2 ай бұрын
Gurkhas were good infantry but I’m not sure if they would do well against ranged
@monique8433
@monique8433 Жыл бұрын
❤ love your stories
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
Love your comments. Thanks for watching.
@kyleward88
@kyleward88 Жыл бұрын
Osage self bows are a blast to build a shoot. Good luck! Thank you for these awesome stories
@thursday4267
@thursday4267 11 ай бұрын
The Comanche earned their claim to fame differently than the Mongols. Doesn’t make sense to me to question who would win in a fight. They destroyed settlements and other tribes, while the mongols built an empire; simply because they both lived on horseback and were good archers isn’t enough similarities to pit them against one another.
@mfischer2948
@mfischer2948 Жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable, a what if video. As far as Roman Legions vs horse archers read about Crassus vs the Parthians.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
He was a rich guy. I am sure they just thought he would love the taste of gold.
@mfischer2948
@mfischer2948 Жыл бұрын
Ouch...that's hard to swallow!
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
They got lucky Caesar was murdered. Caesar would have gotten the revenge he wanted so bad.
@stephenkenney8290
@stephenkenney8290 Жыл бұрын
​@@mfischer2948Oof!
@stephenkenney8290
@stephenkenney8290 Жыл бұрын
In all seriousness though, even the fractious Roman civilization of the first century BCE would be the best choice to fight nomadic armies. Their mastery of logistics, adaptability, a massive pool of manpower, and an utterly insane drive to achieve victory would make them the best choice.
@AlonaPalmer-k6t
@AlonaPalmer-k6t Жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Thank you for sharing it with us! 🙌
@coldenhershey857
@coldenhershey857 11 ай бұрын
The idea of Roman legionnaires squaring off against Comanche horse 🐎 archers is intriguing. The Roman Gov/General Arrian wrote a tactical manual for fighting horse archers called the Allani, also keeping in mind that the Roman soldier was better equipped and trained than his US counterpart of the 1800’s where conscripts were known to desert their post. Romans were keen to take care of there own!
@edwardkuenzi5751
@edwardkuenzi5751 7 ай бұрын
A hundred legionaries would be slaughtered on the great plains, but I don't think any mounted archers could conquer the Roman Empire in its prime. The environment is everything. The strength of Rome is the ability to put enormous numbers of fairly well trained people in the field and replace losses. Logistics wouldn't allow such a large army of infantry to operate on open grassland and a sedentary society doesn't have enough people with the requisite skills to fight effectively while mounted. That's why the Spencer Carbine was such a game changer.
@AlexHellene
@AlexHellene Жыл бұрын
Really being enjoying your videos mate. Keep them up
@raycouch6953
@raycouch6953 6 ай бұрын
I enjoy the way you tell stories the very interesting and fascinating at the same time you keep the curiosity up keep up the great work you make a great storyteller
@JM-nm3bg
@JM-nm3bg Жыл бұрын
The Cumanji (Cumans) got their butts kicked bad by the Mongols. Most were then drafted into the Mongol horde but many took refuge in Bulgaria, the Byzantine Empire and Hungary.
@HLStrickland
@HLStrickland 17 күн бұрын
At @9:36 - I was just getting ready to say - farming. That would make them stay in ONE SPOT. "All who wonder are not lost" - they just hate farming.
@travispetersen3042
@travispetersen3042 8 ай бұрын
Would you consider doing a piece on what might have happened if the Comanche and the Lakota Sioux had met on the battlefield? I have often wondered who might have come out on top in a fight between these two great tribes of horsemen.
@carleto9597
@carleto9597 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting comparison and good video. Ya, You can make the Bow video, and follow through later on of making of the arrows on the plains. Thanks for the video.
@ramonbenitez1323
@ramonbenitez1323 2 ай бұрын
The fight would be a bit closer, this was due to the fact that the it was mainly mongol heavy troops who wore armor, the Mongolian war tactics mainly relied on speed and mobility, the standard mongol warrior wore little to no armor
@justinwynn7946
@justinwynn7946 11 ай бұрын
Love the info. But you gotta do something about that lighting, my man
@mer171
@mer171 Жыл бұрын
Additionally the armor waste horse down making it slower than what the Comanches would be dealing with making their flight faster than the Mongols could pursue
@a2backfire143
@a2backfire143 11 ай бұрын
Seeing the bow finished would be sick
@WildLastFrontier
@WildLastFrontier 11 ай бұрын
Please do a video on making your bow! Living history is the best.
@jhines93
@jhines93 9 ай бұрын
Great video, glad i found your channel. Your take on the Comanche vs Mongol is interesting. Usually i would concur that armor changes the narrative in war. Armor is great against slashing weapons and hand to hand combat. So the numbers of Mongols if you take the Comanche off horseback I would give the victory to the Mongol. But piercing weapons vs armor not that advantageous. The Comanche are faster on horseback and more agile and even acrobatic on their horse fighting with less weight without the armor. The Mongol could shoot farther with accuracy and on horseback but still not as fast. I believe it was the Comanche warriors ability to speed shoot arrows that inspired the revolver to be created to win the "west". So shooting speed should be a consideration in your comparison. Ultimately with numbers and a close enough skilled mounted military the Mongols would win but not easily. I say the Comanche were more skilled on horseback and with a bow and arrow. And the reason why the Deadliest Warrior didn't factor in armor is because against the bow and arrow its pointless.
@10laws2liveby
@10laws2liveby Жыл бұрын
I agree with you that the Mongols would have taken the Comanches's, but Aleksander is in a hole different league.
@georgerivera6970
@georgerivera6970 Жыл бұрын
Really cool subject matter! Great video
@charlesbullghost5491
@charlesbullghost5491 4 ай бұрын
You talking about very deadly poison effects on the bow and arrows! The Lakota sioux indian warriors actually put human shit at the end of the tips of the sharp patt of the arrow head. So it can very immediately throughout the blood stream faster of a painful death sentence of a poor unlucky human being. During the old west the fighting indian wars time period. My great inspiring wisdom for today. Have a great fabulous wonderful day.😀
@jamaalg9906
@jamaalg9906 Жыл бұрын
I love the Mongolians but i think the show was more about a 1v1 as far as i know. I agree that if the two armies were to clash the mongols would win. But a 1v1 would be very interesting! You should delve into this more!
@dougearnest7590
@dougearnest7590 Жыл бұрын
I'm shocked -- SHOCKED - at the thought of the History Channel getting something wrong! Please tell me this video was supposed to have been posted on April 1st. Otherwise, a great episode, as I'm sure you already knew.
@lmccampbell
@lmccampbell Жыл бұрын
push forward regardless the satisfaction of crafting your own bow is worth more.
@trisgilmour
@trisgilmour Жыл бұрын
Please make the bow video
@Hellbillyhok
@Hellbillyhok 11 ай бұрын
Great video
@r0b0saurusrex80
@r0b0saurusrex80 Жыл бұрын
In regards to the Mongols at the height of their skill, motivation etc... A varied "professional" army of heavy infantry and Mixed Calvary of horse archers and heavy cavalry would defeat the Mongols. But that wouldnt happen for a long time. No one was allied with each other... small kingdoms would get overwhelmed by numbers of Mongol soldiers who were commanded by Generals who EARNED their rank. That is the most effective combination.
@LannyRoe
@LannyRoe 8 ай бұрын
If you have a child like fascination with dinosaurs you should look into the bone wars of the 1870s. Very interesting look at early paleontology
@Hightied
@Hightied Жыл бұрын
Other horse archers from the Steppe included: Huns, Avars, Magyars and Turks. Due to their technological disadvantage, the Comanches might be a better match against the Huns. As nomadic horsemen, Mongols were in a league of their own when it came to technology and organization. They were soldiers who fought as a unit instead of individual warriors. Since the Mongols handily defeated European knights as well as the Chinese, I think you'd need to look to the Roman Empire at the height of its powers, to find a near peer opponent. The disciplined and heavily armored Roman infantry formations would not be surpassed again until gunpowder dominated the battlefields . . . my money would still be on the Mongols. 😉
@JonBrown-po7he
@JonBrown-po7he Жыл бұрын
The mongol practice of 'counting ears' was ghoulishly parroted by American soldiers during the Vietnam war.
@darin7369
@darin7369 Жыл бұрын
I've made two sinew backed osage bows and they shoot every bit as good as my fiberglass recurve of the same draw weight.
@outtherefaraway
@outtherefaraway 8 ай бұрын
Phenomenal video! Thank you!
@mer171
@mer171 Жыл бұрын
Pre-200 A.D. Rome could fight the Mongols due to the armor not pursuing them but instead besieging them… There's only so many arrows... demonstration is Rome lured the Huns into the tree line and defeated them with the help of the Visigoths Even after they had decreased their armor and military funding and technology in the post 200 ad era
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il Жыл бұрын
Comparing the best of the best is always subjective when it comes to history. Like the best basketball players, Jordan or LeBron. Two different eras and even though they are both alive, LeBron is considerably younger and there is no way to compare them both in their prime. Now with a time machine we could compare people though out the ages, but alas we can't. I would say the Mongols just by shear numbers would win. But one on one who knows, all people are different and maybe one has a bad day or terrible luck. Still it's kinda fascinating to think through the possible scenarios and the outcome. Cool comparison. Thanks.
@brianl4137
@brianl4137 11 ай бұрын
Would love to see the bow build
@henry-thepizzaeater-morgan704
@henry-thepizzaeater-morgan704 Жыл бұрын
Doityourself Comanche bow tutorial? By All means Go all ahead ! 🤩
@Thecathunter
@Thecathunter Жыл бұрын
Very good video. I would like to see how your bow turns out.
@codydunsmuir9398
@codydunsmuir9398 Жыл бұрын
King Kamehameha next 🙏 please Or the tribes of the Peruvian coast
@florin8065
@florin8065 Жыл бұрын
I think you are correct! The mongols would destroy the comanche effortlessly! The differences in technology and organisation are too great! The only thing in which comanche would perhaps equal the mongols would be horsemanship but yet again comes the techonology meaning stirrups. And we must remember that the Mongols were destroyed by their own intern fightings before enemies. After the three great Khagans(Genghis, Ogodei and Mongke) the empire fragmented and internal fighting was way more intense and comsuming than any other external conflicts. People who belived that Mamluks stopped the Mongols are only fooling themselves. At Ain Jalut The two and a half sized Mamluk force distroyed a border patrol mongol party and Hulagu Khan did not respond to it because of the dreadful war he had with Berke khan of the Golden Horde(who converted to Islam). The second Mamluk victory was perhaps the most important but again was fought in number supremacy of the Mamluks and was just barrelly won. Again Akbasha khan could not respond because of the war with Golden Horde. Even Baybars admmited after both battles that he barrelly won and was frightened by the possible mongol response. That never came due to extremly intense internal war. So tha true saviour of Islam from Mongols was not The Mamluk Sultanate but The Golden Horde(also Mongol). My opinion is that if the inspirate and wise politics of the first three khgans would continued no political entity would withstand the Mongols. Comanche are but a fly on an bull'shoulder!
@Ador828
@Ador828 4 ай бұрын
Well done basic stuff
@danlee1835
@danlee1835 Жыл бұрын
Still waiting on an episode of the White Mountain Apache
@guntertorfs6486
@guntertorfs6486 Жыл бұрын
Ahaa , the promised video !!
@skaagkaal2613
@skaagkaal2613 Жыл бұрын
Good luck with the self bow regardless if you decide to film the endeavor. You'll learn a lot just from the ordeal even if you don't get the product you envision or heaven forbid the bow breaks. Bow making is fun and I recommend Jim Hamm's book "Bows and Arrows of the Native Americans". I also recommend using weed trees invasive to America like Russian olive if it's in your area to learn on.
@pickr2604
@pickr2604 7 ай бұрын
If you need some Osage orange for your bow I can get you some. We call it bodark here. You think it’s wood but it’s almost like cutting steel. It’ll turn your entire shop yellow 😂
@Ruger-h5h
@Ruger-h5h Жыл бұрын
The time gap on firearms, the Mongols would be shot down from the Nat North American guns, since there armor isn't designed for bullets, still Mongols would prob made use of the early gunpowder rockets from the Chinese.
@KevinBalch-dt8ot
@KevinBalch-dt8ot 2 ай бұрын
The Mongols were also able to incorporate elements of their conquered peoples to their own advantage. They were not just hit and run raiders like the Comanche.
@andrewstrongman305
@andrewstrongman305 Жыл бұрын
Something not mentioned here is that Native Americans adopted horses from Europeans, the Mongols had always depended on them. Alexander's Macedonians would not have fared well against the Mongols. Their armies had as many infantry as horse-warriors, well armed and armoured. Pinning phalanxes with heavy infantry would allow the Mongolian cavalry and horse-archers to flank and destroy them. 100 legionaries against the Comanche is ridiculous. A legion would be another story.
@allshewrote928
@allshewrote928 Жыл бұрын
Well done, sir.
@mikedared5969
@mikedared5969 Жыл бұрын
Love what your doing! Thank you
@al_wombat
@al_wombat 9 күн бұрын
The sound was way better in a movie that is older than this one…
@GarySiegel-m1f
@GarySiegel-m1f Жыл бұрын
Greatest episode ever🎉 0:01
@Mocaknight
@Mocaknight Жыл бұрын
Comanche also used firearms and were second nature hit hard and fast
@lucretious7
@lucretious7 Жыл бұрын
Great episode, and I enjoyed the music you used too. One thing you didn't consider so much is the effect of home turf. The Comanche had such low numbers because they lived in a very arid place with a low carrying capacity for pre-modern people. But they could thrive in such a difficult environment. If you took 10k Mongols on horseback vs 10k Comanches on horseback, and have them fight in an environment like east Texas 1840, the results I think would be pretty close. Any force that held off the US military for decades would make for stiff competition.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys Жыл бұрын
My counter to this was that the carrying capacity was larger than the population due to the massive Buffalo herds. I have a hard time thinking a much larger force would have a hard time getting the food they need.
@chukwuv2738
@chukwuv2738 11 ай бұрын
BROOOO YOU MUST MAKE THE BOW ON HERE
@frankfelker5374
@frankfelker5374 9 ай бұрын
The Mongols set fire to the birds and cats after wrapping them in wool. The unfortunate creatures bolted back to the city and set it on fire. Thus the city's defenders were preoccupied with putting out the flames, leaving the walls unmanned
@aljonserna5598
@aljonserna5598 11 ай бұрын
Alexander, it depends. Remember the ones who restored Persian control in Persia was the Parthians whom the term Parthian shot came from. Well by that time it's of different regimes and talents, so I would love to see how it would fare. Also, I'd love to imagine how would Julius Caesar could've defeated the Parthians if the assassination never worked/existed.
@inregionecaecorum
@inregionecaecorum Жыл бұрын
Comparisons get a bit ridiculous, how about Mongols vs Zulus, Comanches vs Vikings, Redcoats vs Space Aliens? Given the Comanche had access to firearms I think that would even up the fight and an equal number against each other. Historically they were far apart as well as geographically however if you were to take one of them and transplant them into the others culture I am sure they would get along fine, no reason a Mongol might not have become a Comanche war chief.
@iamrichrocker
@iamrichrocker Жыл бұрын
how about the might Samurai as foes to the mongolians/Comanche..now that would be a sight to see..lack of mumbers might be the Samurai's downfall tho..and please show the bow crafting..i dig stuff like that too..great video..and glad to see your sub numbers climbing..
@BigFists2024
@BigFists2024 11 ай бұрын
The chichimeca in Mexico defeated the samurai
@ekstrasens3990
@ekstrasens3990 11 ай бұрын
What's the background music you use?
@SnarkyMalarkey
@SnarkyMalarkey Жыл бұрын
Some say that the Native Americans came from Asia through the Bering strait and if that's true i can definitely see the Comanches sharing some DNA with the Mongolians.
@neogeo3193
@neogeo3193 Жыл бұрын
I never knew how resilient apache were. I can't help but Wonder before any Spanish for Foreigner came on American soil and was just native Americans how pure the land was and how free they were.
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
Are you joking??? What ridiculous class told you that?? The Indians would basically commit genocide on eachother. How do you think the Spanish were able to dominate?? There were tribes that hated other tribes so much that they would rather ally with a foreigner to DESTROY another tribe rather then all band together to try and resist the Spanish. Thinking the land was pure and free might be the funniest thing I've read all week
@franciswashack89
@franciswashack89 9 ай бұрын
The shock troops of the Mongols when they invaded Poland in 1242 were the lightly armed Tartars, they would have been a closer comparison to the Comanche. However, I do believe the Tartars would easily defeat the Comanche.
@mikeythamason
@mikeythamason Жыл бұрын
Interesting video . I always talk about how the Native Americans were also similar to the Sami people of Europe
@jesseholmz
@jesseholmz Жыл бұрын
Who does the music?
@TheMNBlackBear
@TheMNBlackBear 9 ай бұрын
The Mongols would have easily taken the Commanche and forced them to pay tribute. Because that's what Mongols did. Mongols did not kill and torture just for the joy of it. They killed and tortured those who defied them. Because Mongols were building their empire, taking over the world. Their goal was to get their enemy to submit to Mongol rule, not just kill them. In fact, killing them wasn't desirable. Killing them meant less riches for Mongols. Making them submit meant a lifetime of tribute from an entire nation or tribe. So it was better when nations and tribes simply gave up before the battle was even fought. Mongols preferred that, and often achieved that. Mongols also had all the modern weaponry they and their conquered could produce. The Mongols adopted all methods of warfare from the conquered and used it for themselves. The Apache and Comanche? Well, they hadn't even invented the wheel yet, let alone gun powder, trebuchet, hi-powered recurve horn bows, silk shirts, etc., nor did they have the massive numbers of the Mongols. There is no question the Mongols would have won.
@1Jonboat
@1Jonboat 8 ай бұрын
Our words for County, Country and Continent are related to the word Kahnate. The Tartarian Empire was divided into Kahnates The Popul Vuh tells us Kukul Kahn came from China. He crossed the Bering Strait to ALLAHska, KAHNada, CALIPHornia and MECCAxico. California used to go from Alaska to Mexico. The Silk Road continued from CALIPHornia to ARROZona. Arroz is the Spanish name for rice from the Muslims. The Silk Road went from ARROZona to New MECCAxico, dALLAHs in the LONE STAR state and then to the CRESCENT CITY aka New Orleans. Then it went to mISSISipi, ALLAHbama, afALLAHlachicola, apALLAHchicola, and the apALLAHchain Mountains. It continued into the cARABIAN Sea and Cuba/Kabbah, where Columbus discovered a mosque when he arrived. Native Americans in the areas with Muslim names often wear turbans. The Silk River Road went along the Missouri and mISSISipi Rivers. KAHNtucky is between Cairo and Memphis on the mISSISipi River. KAHNsas is on the Missouri River. Comanche County/KAHNty, Kansas/KAHNsas, on the Continent/KAHNtinent of Amurica was part of a Tartarian Kahnate; and Amur was the name of the god Amorites worshipped. Amur is a common name from Palestine on the Mediterranean Sea and across Russia. Amorites are what the giants from The Bible were called. The giants Paiutes and Commanches told us were living in Amurica when they arrived.
@Mike-e7s
@Mike-e7s 8 ай бұрын
If isreal finds out America, is the holy land in ancient history...
@wretchardkimball9049
@wretchardkimball9049 8 ай бұрын
So when does the mongol series start?
@bobinindiana
@bobinindiana Жыл бұрын
Maybe the Comanche came from Mongolia. DNA should tell & maybe it already has.
@solotx8798
@solotx8798 11 ай бұрын
Back in the early 1800's, when the gringo slavedrivers started raiding through Texas/Mexico to chase down escaped slaves (and eventually anschluss Texas), the Mexicans would call these proto-confederates "Comanche Blancos". Eventually Slavery Texas became known as the Comancheblanqueria.
@dannydonuts4219
@dannydonuts4219 4 ай бұрын
Is it possible that the Comanche and the Mongols have a common ancestor?
@Cory_LaRose
@Cory_LaRose 11 ай бұрын
Who would win?
@nik07nik
@nik07nik Ай бұрын
How did you not mention that both used spears but the Mongols were longer. Or the fact the Mongols all had swords?.
@riichobamin7612
@riichobamin7612 5 ай бұрын
Was there any "unifying" leader like Genghis Khan for the Comanche ?
@teddycourtright3466
@teddycourtright3466 11 ай бұрын
Pls do the arrow vid
@MayumiC-chan9377
@MayumiC-chan9377 9 ай бұрын
the greatest treasure in possession of my father was a curved mongolian sword passed through our family my ancestry dates from Japan and we sit on many artifacts.
@Dennis-nc3vw
@Dennis-nc3vw Ай бұрын
Old school drive-bys.
@VictorTheCan2024
@VictorTheCan2024 11 ай бұрын
Has anyone considered both are from the same people, for instance when the Mongolian conquered China they went after Japan next, around the 13 Century and with thousands of ships some making Columbus ships looking like a small boat, supposedly there was a storm in the Sea and they all drowned, or truthfully they shipwrecked in America, which in the same time zone Black Aztec drew painting of themselves fighting small asian looking people, these asian looking people eventually mixed with the Aztec for Spaniards wrote that when in Mexico they noticed two different types of people, Dark Skin Indians and Asia Indians and they called both Aztecs Indians, even in the Art of when Cortez went to Central America, you could see two different types of people if you pay attention to the details, lol btw noticed the Buildings in the background, America's were way advanced than the Eastern Continent, now even a Japanese warrior travel to Central America during Colonial Times and mentioned seeing Black Indian and Korean looking people living together, this Japanese just recently got discovered to be the first Japanese to visit the Pope in Europe, so yes Native American Indian that claim America is their Land don't even realized they're Mongolian and some of the African American don't even know they're American Indian Aztec from the Eastern side of America while the Mexican are the mixed of them and Mongolian, for Montezuma were the 7 King that the Mongolian had in America's, this is why both groups have so much in common with each other's, where else do you think Marco Polo speaks of when he mentioned the Mongol taking him to a Land that they can't even find in the Eastern Continent, this is why China have a Map of America's in details since 1510, they're the same people, Real America's Aboriginal didn't live in tippee, they had Cities built of whatever they were surrounded with, earth, stone or woods all over the Americas... Why do you think they only showed in Cowboys movies only the Western Indian, the Eastern wasn't mixed with Mongolian so they still looked like Dark Skin People, the Mounds Builders, The Cans... ⚕️
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