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[@MaggieKeizai]

Fact: The best computers have a "return" key instead of "enter".

[@alfredklek]

My computer says "Field Exit". I guess it's a soccer/football thing?

[@tetsujin_144]

Convenient when it breaks down and you want your money back. "Return!"

[@Lofote]

Best computers had both ;)... (C128)

[@NegativeReferral]

MacBook Pro:)

[@lovemadeinjapan]

@@Lofote I recently got it, and besides the looks, which I really like, I find the C128 to be a disaster, overpriced fucked up machine with borderline disorder. After that I got a CPC 464 (with 128k expansion), and it is day and night. This is how I expected the C128 to be. Even our local weird Philips P2000T destroys the C128.

[@PunkTiger]

And yet, despite all its flaws and shortcomings, it became the best-selling computer of all time.

[@MQsto]

Therre are no flaws or shortcomings, only uniquely personal design choices.

[@lovemadeinjapan]

Not because what Commodore did, but because of double-deck cassette decks with high speed dubbing. Remember that a C64 game could cost in todays money like 100€, and a NES game 150€. There were other computers that cost 2 times as much, but with free legal downloads of great software, but the low entry price and pirating made the choice in many cases.

[@Cyro_Ciolfi]

MSX computers are not common in many countries, but man... thats a good 8 bit computer.

[@manumores]

I used to have a C64 and an A500. At the time any progress was better because everything was new. Now 35 years later I am more impressed by my C64 that can do so much with so little. Not to minimize the revolution the A500 was at the time, that machine pretty much blew everything out of the water.

[@borayurt66]

I agree, the A500 was an incredible piece of technology, a huge leap in the definition of a home computer in 1987. Unfortunately, I missed that because I was already into the PC universe after my humble ZX Spectrum. It has been 5 years that I got into the retro computer community, and I've only acquired an A500+ recently after many Spectrum and C64 machines. It really managed to amaze me in the year 2023!

[@stefanskellen]

cough, cough, three, cough, grey

[@10MARC]

You are going to spend eternity with nothing but ZX Spectrums connected to black and white TV's with broken volume knobs cranked up to Max for making this video

[@lovemadeinjapan]

At least it has color clash with proper colours, instead of a palette with various flavours of diarhea.

[@chainreaction8977]

You monster... ;'(

[@deagt3388]

Used to have ZX Spectrum 48K at first and C64C later when I was a kid, C64 was a better machine in 8 bit era but I always liked Speccy more, nevertheless I was glad to have them both! ;-)

[@dempseydiscus]

I owned a ZX Spectrum 48k and then an Amstrad CPC 6128 and the Commodore 64 was always 'the enemy' :-) I loved your video, it was full of wonderful irony 🙂

[@martinbecker2164]

The floppy disk being slow is a bug, there's a thing you can buy for fast-loading that fixes the bug or something to that affect

[@lovemadeinjapan]

Even with fast loading it is not fast. My 8-bit machine from 81, has a regular NEC 765 shugart floppy controller, and hooked up to a regular PC 3,5 inch drive, it screams compared to a 1571 on a C128.

[@martinbecker2164]

@@lovemadeinjapan Well obviously, fast is relative here, but fair enough, probably should have specified that.

[@chainreaction8977]

Yes! I remember finding a 'fast loader' that only took seconds to load and after that, anything loaded would load like 3x faster. I copied it pretty much to every disc. Was a game-changer, literally...

[@pacbilly]

Surprised there aren't more comments attempting to correct your little Sonic troll there. Fun video!

[@spyrosskam8632]

It was so difficult for me to choose which 8 bit home computer was the best so...i bought them all!

[@lovemadeinjapan]

Let me check if you have some really good ones: does the collection include an Olivetti M10 and a Philips P2000T?

[@spyrosskam8632]

@@lovemadeinjapan back in the day here in Greece when we we're saying home eight bit computers we meant spectrums c64 and amstrad cpcs. So that's what i have.I don't collect retocomputers in general ....i collect only the ones that bring nostalgia to me!!! 😉

[@lovemadeinjapan]

@@spyrosskam8632 CPC is really good. Great it did so well in Greece.

[@spyrosskam8632]

@@lovemadeinjapan CPC 6128 was first in sales for two years in a row, 1987 1988!

[@bbartky]

Best? No. And I feel the C128, not the C64, was the best 8-bit machine. However, I consider it to be my favorite since it was my first personal computer. I still remember buying it in June 1983. (Forty years ago! 😮) It taught me so much about programming and using computers in general. It was also my entry point for BBSs and FidoNet. I made friends there and at Commodore clubs. And I’ve never loved a game as much as I loved Impossible Mission on my C64 and later on my C128. Today I have a MacBook Pro and a Windows tower PC and they’re fine and do what I need them to do. However, I don’t feel any more affection for them than I do for a TV set or a dishwasher. I’m generally anti nostalgic but I am nostalgic about those Commodore computers I had back in the ‘80s.

[@2kBofFun]

I just found Impossible Mission on a C128 I aquired today. No idea what to do though, but it looks and sounds cool.

[@chainreaction8977]

_"...I don’t feel any more affection for them than I do for a TV set or a dishwasher."_

[@TheUtuber999]

The C128 had a much improved keyboard to type on... but mine was in 64 mode probably 95% of the time.

[@bobjohnson3173]

I thought 128's didn't come out until 1985? I got my first 64 in 82-83 and later my parents got me a 128, a 1571 disk drive and a rgb monitor that could handle the 80 columns for Christmas...it was awesome.

[@borayurt66]

Going for looks alone, I would say nothing can beat the ZX Spectrum 128K (Toastrack)! It is a timeless design.

[@lovemadeinjapan]

The non-toast is prettier. But the toast is a better machine.

[@borayurt66]

@@lovemadeinjapan What is "non toast"?

[@lovemadeinjapan]

@@borayurt66 The 48+

[@HeliZero]

I love my 64 and now even more with the Ultimate 2+L. I did never own a Amiga or C128 even tho they are great machines also but the Breadbin is a joy. I only need a new joystick - maybe for xmas. ;o)

[@MaxQ10001]

Black, white and two shades of gray made for some good GUI ang graphics 😊

[@GamerSpencer]

ZX Spectrum, it dominated here in the UK but it made low cost computing here, really low cost! £399 for a C64 back in the day when a Spectrum 48k was £125. You didn't have to use the proprietory tape deck, loads of 3rd party kit available, games up the wazoo and STILL being made today, and of course the successor which is 100% backwards compatible, the Spectrum Next. I do like the c64, but the colours with what looks like 2 browns (cat poo and baby sick shades!) let it down for me, but some of the racers on it are way better than on the speccy, but we won't mention Turbo Esprit or Out Run...

[@tonyclarke8976]

In 1983 when the ZX 48K was £129, the C64 was £229

[@bigredracingteam9642]

While the ZX was cheaper, it required special interfaces (or 'dongles' in today's parlance) for connecting virtually any peripheral.

[@GamerSpencer]

@@bigredracingteam9642 Special? They were relatively cheap and the amount of peripherals was incredible. Choice was amazing. And if for you that means a worse experience, then thats really sad!

[@dave24-73]

Have to say for it’s time it was pretty much ahead of the game. This was the first computer I ever owned, we did borrow a Commodore Pet, but the C64 was the first computer we owned, came with beach head and Bozo’s night out. Later moved to Amiga 500, then Amiga 1200, before finally moving to PC. Still own my Amiga and C64 computers.

[@haraldweinreich9522]

I had an Atari 800 back those days and always wondered, why the "C64 boys" so mich preferred their computer. The Atari had better Graphics, was much faster and also the Disk Drive was much much faster. But from todays perspective the C64 also had many advantages: Much more software, better sound (the SID chip had wave forms and filters), a few more sprites and more addons, like custom ROMs... Any over all there were much more freinds who could give you copies of their games...

[@ando8262]

awesome video mate

[@milow-cl9kt]

DEFCON Level 1 snark, I love it!

[@Leofwine]

I love my Amiga 500 just as much. Truth be told, had I gotten my father's C64 (in 2006, when I asked about it), I would have been bored with it after a month. 14 years later, I resurrected an Amiga 500 that literally was waiting for me, and I use it to type up short stories.

[@zvonimirstrucelj6190]

Get Amiga 600 (small footprint, easier to upgrade with modern stuff) , add new 1 MB chip RAM (24 EUR), new A608 mini board with 8 MB Fast RAM (50 EUR), buy new 8 GB CF card (10 EUR), feed with few thousands of WHDLoad games (no problems with compatibility at all), IDE44 to CD card adapter (2 EUR) and there you go. You just didn't investigate much.

[@khajiit8221]

Some games were terrible. Graphics were usually awful too, even by 1980s standards. Not the most reliable computer either. But... nostalgia aside, the C64 came from a time when new computer technology was genuinely new and exciting, so it holds a lot of good memories for people. And when you did play a good game it was genuinely a great experience for the time. I wasn't too into programming at the time but it was a very good early computer to learn the basics on. Everyone I knew who took the time to do serious programming on the C64 went on to bigger and better things.

[@ernestomaserati9417]

I started collecting all the C-64 stuff I had when I was young, and things which I had not but wished I had. I cannot find the retail game M.U.L.E., not sure why, maybe it is so rare. I liked the game, but never understood it to be honest, had no manual. And there was a Joystick for C-64, not sure if you remember, which had quicksilver switches, it was maybe the first motion control Joystick, but unpractical. And some other things, but eventually I will find all of them I guess. I was lucky to buy a Commodore in nearly mint package. I am in Europe, so PAL region at the time. Nice work you do, thank you for the nostalgia. Videos of KZbinrs like you are often better than the majority of movies and series today. 😄

[@denormative]

Yeah, totally correct. I grew up learning BASIC from books that listed compatibility with a bunch of rando computers I've never heard from plus C64. It apparently was the only computer from that era that didn't suck enough that it made it to the arse end of the world (Australia) so I could actually use it. Around my area the option was either a cheap C64, or a 10x cost x86 with GW-BASIC (or a shitty non-programmable console) so it almost certainly started way more Australians on the way to programming then any other computer at the time.

[@chainreaction8977]

I felt every word of that comment. *wipes tear

[@erlantzml7135]

the c64 "was" the best computer in its prime. Although the c64 model that later will resemble amiga 500, the c64C is the sexiest of all time.

[@Idelacio]

Er, isn't the Vic 20 case actually different to the C64? It's a bit taller isn't it? Or is this one of those early model things they changed later?

[@10MARC]

Just a bit different. Slots are different, height is different on a few models, same on others. It was just easier and cheaper to slightly retool manufacturing equipment rather than start from scratch

[@ZxSpectrumplus]

Early C64 use the same case as the VIC-20, later models have slightly revised breadbins which is a tad shorter.

[@OperationPhantom]

This may be controversial but the best computer is simply the one that holds the best memories for you. I admit this is just my subjective bias and not at all fact though. The mighty PC is very hard to think of as "the best" for me, because of it's generic nature; unlike the Amiga... Early computers had definite bottlenecks and it was fun to see programmers trying to seemingly make the impossible possible anyway.

[@_.OX._]

50 Shades of Brown.

[@2kBofFun]

You talk about the colour palette I assume? Not about the plastic.

[@carlwells9504]

Learn right hand dexterity with unique shift cursor keys!

[@chainreaction8977]

*gets PTSD flashbacks

[@SendyTheEndless]

THREE shades of grey, and TWO shades of B R O W N (the best colour)

[@gilbert1975nf]

wow! That Sonic.... thing..... ough!

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

There is a better Sonic, but it requires an unusual memory expansion cartridge which performs DMA to scroll fast.

[@Psy500]

Fun fact by the time the C64 came out the Commodore Pet had a better Basic but the C64 like the Vic-20 was made to be much cheaper thus used much smaller ROMs.

[@Breakfast_of_Champions]

The little breadbin is a true GIANT!!🤩

[@JosephTyson]

Atari 8-bit fan here. We can all agree on the worse alternative. 🙂

[@DS-pk4eh]

I do not know, I loved both mine VIC20 and C64, but when Amiga arrived, it just blew my mind and made me fall in love instantly. Since then (so the end of 80's), nothing came even close to excite me.

[@stephenelliott7071]

Haha fun video. I had a ZX Spectrum back in the day, now I own a bunch of retro computers. A friend had an Atari 800 though and that (overall) is my favourite 8-bit computer. Twice the CPU speed of the C64, twice the number of joystick ports, twice the number of cartridge slots that were contained internally rather than hanging out of the back, great keyboard, better color palette, great sound, much stronger construction, just less memory 48K vs 64K.

[@ZxSpectrumplus]

But the games really didn't look better. I find Ataris very weird, i think most games were made to be compatible with early 2600 VCS consoles? I can't seems to find many comparable games to the C64. The C64 does not have the burden to be backward compatible with VIC-20, else all the games would be crap.

[@GORF_EMPIRE]

Atari 8 bit machines were and always will be the best of it's time because they were around long before almost all of them and still managed to outspec most if not all of them even still.

[@2kBofFun]

That is, if you are in the US. Outside they did not exist.

[@Commodoreretro-programming]

We love the C64 for its flaws... ❤ Great video, fun to watch.

[@LeftoverBeefcake]

I AM OFFENDED, SIR! Like so many others you failed to mention the tiny little C116 with its horrible rubber keyboard and failing chips just like its TED-based brothers. Ok it was only sold in Europe, but still, It exists, gosh darn it!!! #JusticeForTheC116

[@JamiesHackShack]

Here here! #tedgang 😂

[@ryuketsuekiofficial]

I don't know, it looks pretty BASIC for me

[@chainreaction8977]

*badum, tis

[@JGYokohama1]

I got my old Vic20 and a ton of carts, Commodore cassette decks, etc. I'm in NoVA if you'd be interested.

[@billspear4900]

What’s with the Bob Marley face at 4:33? Thanks for the laugh!

[@MS-ho9wq]

It really is unironically the best though

[@adroharv5140]

yeah pretty much a fact C64 is the best but that wasn't the whole picture of course. The Amiga is also up there as joined best I would personally say. That said I love all the machines from this era as they were all very unique in terms of differences which meant pros and cons with each of them. The 8bits though were pretty special just to be part of regardless of what you had and it's a time I'm very fond of and continue to enjoy because it represented something had arrived that we hadn't seen before. Lucky to be part of it all

[@e8root]

I like how you didn't say wrong word about Atari. No need to throw angry comments :)

[@MD_il_microcanale]

Fantastic video, I think so too and I also bring Commodore Computer to the channel! (and some atari 2600, recently, hahaha)

[@Alchemy-Computing-since-1987]

“Computers for the masses, not for the classes.” He probably meant the well-earning middle class. Most people couldn’t afford a C=64, let alone a floppy disk drive or a monitor.

[@JamiesHackShack]

*popcorn gif* for the comments. Let's see who is too serious here. 😄 Fun one!

[@lovemadeinjapan]

The best (8-bit) computer has decent BASIC, a decent video ouput signal (RGB+80-column), looks cool, has common interfaces, has room for internal expansion and has a proper (built in) power supply. C64 does not fit any of those criteria. How can it be best?

[@polybius223]

TI-99/4a checks a good number of those boxes. Well, really actually not many… But still more than the C64!

[@elfenmagix8173]

Best Computer? Ever sat down and programmed on it? No, not "10 PRINT "Hello World" | 20 GOTO 10" I wrote video games for the Commodore Computers in the 1980s and had to work with Atari, Apple and other systems. I'll admit to being a Commodore Boy at the time. But takes just a few lines of code on an Atari 800 takes a lot of code on the C64 to implement. And the Atari 800 used a 1.75MHz 6502 compared to the 1MHz 6510 on the C64 so the Atari beats it on Speed, and Graphics.And the Pokey Chip, though not a SID, can give the Sid a run for its money. Plus there were several Synthesizers that used the SID as well and the Commodore B-Machines also used the SID. As a Programmer's machine, it was a nightmare.

[@polybius223]

The TI-99/4a’s BASIC was pretty decent.

[@MichaelTitera]

The C=64 is the greatest computer ever! Well, there is the C=128 which was twice as better... Oh, and yeah, the Amiga 2000 which was 2000 times better. But, i do agree, all in all, the Commodore 64 was and still is the best computer in the world!

[@RetroKrazy]

lol Matt, brilliant! Loved the whole tongue in cheek vibe 👍

[@tetsujin_144]

You think your Commodore 64 is really neato? What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?

[@SebsPlaceYT]

This is brilliant - loved it. What is that Sonic game lol....

[@retrobitstv]

Thanks! It was an unfinished tech demo from 2011 - csdb.dk/release/?id=101631

[@nneeerrrd]

LOL Matt, you made me smile 😁

[@johndough8115]

This may be Tongue in Cheek... but if you have ever see some of the Artwork on the C64, done with only 16 colors... it will blow your mind. As an Artist myself... when you said that Grays basically dont count... you really proved your Ignorance. To make shadows, buildings, textures, and more... you NEED those other shades. Furthermore, you can alter how other colors look.. by Stippling those other colors next to each other... The real thing that killed me.. was the poor choice of SID music that you chose. The C64 had some of the most ICONIC music, depending on the game that you chose. In my Childhood.. my favorite was "The Last V8". This game was about a Post Nuclear war event.. and you had to drive your car safely back to base, without getting Melted from invisible Radiation spikes. The music is fantastically "ERRIE" and sets the proper Mood. The game is actually Psychologically Scary. Especially when that Radiation meter starts going off. The game itself had a very difficult control mechanic.. but when Mastered, was a fantastic accomplishment. The downside was the 2nd level.. which IMO, was nowhere near as fun as the first. That, and only having 2 stages period, was a bit limiting. But that game experience, with that insane music.. continues to Haunt my mind, to this very day. I remember listening to many Sid compositions, including a C64 version of Axel F, and being blown away at what these composers could produce... with such an affordable computer. In many cases, the sounds were far superior to stuff that was being put out by the NES... and the NES was released many years after the C64. I do not think the consoles got FM Synthesis, until the Sega Genesis. The C64 is clearly not the BEST computer... but it pretty much was the best PC for its Era. It was affordable. There were masses of games that you could buy / pirate for it. There were fantastic Music Tracks, and very cool Graphic + Musical demos. Heck, I believe my Grandfather used his C64 to input company data, into spreadsheets. One of the Best Consumer computers, was probably the "FM Towns". A Japanese computer, that could run at 720p resolution, had a CD rom drive, and that had near pixel-perfect Arcade Ports on it. A lot of Game Developers used the FM Towns / X68000 to develop games with, for other systems. BUT... that was a Japanese Only PC.. and it was INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. Maybe 20 times the cost of ANY Commodore PC ..with all of the accessories. But the C64, was something that the average Joe could pick up for a reasonable price.. and while it certainly had its limitations... people were still able to make some very amazing experiences with it.

[@Dorelaxen]

Angry comment, eh? Hmmm. Well, I IMMEDIATELY recognized Goonies just from the theme, Goonies 'R' Good Enough! RABBLERABBLERABBLE! That's about as angry as I can get at the good ol' C-64.

[@meneerjansen00]

Thanks a lot. After showing this video to me my wife and children won't let me spend my hard earned cash on Commodore stuff ever again. What am I to do now? Spend quality time with my son? Go out with my wife? Buy a Playstation for my son? Brrrrrr.

[@ZxSpectrumplus]

Get a new wife.

[@MrParrothead60450]

Loved it! Thanks.

[@GianmarioScotti]

The C-16 is better because the best computers are antracite. And also, it has a very capable and useful BASIC.

[@erwindewit4073]

Yeah, cool! I also had a ZX Spectrum and my father had a C64 (which I could use sometimes). It was a lot of fun! It took over 30 minutes to load Rambo Part II from cassette, and you would still get load errors sometimes. Oh, the joy! And yes, it was a LOT better with a disk drive, a cartridge or rom replacement loader (16x faster with the serial bus). But yes, weirdly, the C64 IS the best computer. The Spectrum and the Amiga were losers!

[@temporarilyoffline]

Couldn't agree more

[@michaelstoliker971]

LOL, Welcome to OCTari!

[@enitalp]

It is for sure on top of a period, like the Oric Atmos after, then the Atari ST, then the PC (meh)

[@chainreaction8977]

New games and demos that push the C64's limits are still made to this day, nuff said...

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

I think one of the colours on screen is supposed to be pink, not a second shade of orange. Is the video circuitry broken or is that a weird artefact of VIC-II revision + screen + camera?

[@retrobitstv]

Could be NTSC colors vs PAL, or the tint adjustment on the monitor. Never Twice the Same Color 😛

[@Lofote]

Uhm, it actually had three shades of grey, not two ;)...

[@revelationnow]

Classic sh!t post. Love your work, never stop. I like Bil Herd's perspective on how Commodore made chips with the expectation they only had to last 5 years.

[@8bitgamerC64]

I cannot and will not change your mind. 😁

[@4034miguel]

To do anything a little complex is Peek and Poke, Peke and Poke,.............

[@Marco-00]

Nice video! just... Commodore 64 Longplay [158] Sonic the Hedgehog (Homebrew/NTSC Mode) -> search on youtube!

[@retrobitstv]

I covered Sonic when it first came out as well! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIPRdZWuq92cY9E

[@WhatHoSnorkers]

That was fantastico! :)

[@Alchemy-Computing-since-1987]

C=64 II and the AMIGA are the best Retro Computer of all time. And that is a truly fully Fact.

[@wonderdog8895]

Pffft.... The c64 wasn't even the best c64... gimme the c128 any day!

[@2kBofFun]

Just got one, but man it is a truly weird machine. The 3 modes of operation with 3 incompatible flavours of basic, the crazy dual video port that is unable to render 80 character on the RF/DIN plug, and not able to run classic C64 graphics on RGB. The fact that 80-char is a cripled video mode not suitable for games. Also it has a deep dark dungeon with a chained MSX inside that can do some CP/M wannabe once in a century. It does look neat though, that's why I bought it. But that humongous power brick..... It could run off the average 5x4x2,5cm USB-C charger nowadays.

[@lokz9632]

I would say Amiga 500 is the best with the same philosophy

[@borayurt66]

Not the same genre though, 8 bits vs 16 bits is a huge difference.

[@lokz9632]

@@borayurt66 In 8bit era, C64 was the best for me.

[@Alchemy-Computing-since-1987]

The C=64 was a one hit wonder, otherwise Commodore behaved completely idiotically, throwing money out the window on pointless developments. And they absolutely did not understand the potential of the AMIGA.

[@theamazinghippopotomonstro9942]

Terry Davis approves

[@mogwaay]

Lol, nice work Matt, that made me chuckle 😂 There would defo be far less C64 repair videos if MOS hadn't been so fast and loose with their quality control that's for sure!

[@dlfrsilver]

What a terrible computer with limited sprites limited CPU, terrible color scheme, and sold in kids stores......

[@retrobitstv]

[@KennethDPedersen]

I agree, but nevertheless, I’m writing an angry comment.

[@BerniesBastelBude]

the best is imho the Mega65 🙂

[@bobdefalco]

This is my angry comment. I am very upset. ;)

[@sergeygoncharov8205]

Second best before Amigas

[@Channel567-7]

Preferred the spectrum

[@RonLauzon]

They did not re-purpose the BASIC from the PET. The PET 4032, for example, was much more advanced. I was so disappointed when I used my dad's C-64.

[@timlocke3159]

They did repurpose the BASIC from the PET. The VIC-20 used the 8 KB BASIC v2.0 from the 2001/30xx PETs, which was the latest BASIC available for the PET when the VIC-20 was being designed. The PET 4032 came out the same year as the VIC-20 (1980) and had the 12 KB BASIC v4.0. The C64 had the same 8 KB BASIC v2.0 from the VIC-20 and PET 2001/30xx.

[@АлександрСироткин-п2з]

Ты мастер пантомимы!!! 🙂

[@nneeerrrd]

пшелнахзапарєбріклапотьнемьітьій

[@JonoHalle]

C64 affordable? They were £399 on launch here in the UK. My dad got us a ZX Spectrum 48k when they got released and i'm glad he did. My friend had a C64 and because the floppy drives were ridicuosly expensive, it took 12 minutes sometimes to load games. Yup, the humble speccy did have colour clash, but it beats playing games with 24 shades of brown.

[@winstonsmith478]

LOL. Nice baiting.

[@timlocke3159]

I don't really consider the Commodore 64 to be much of a computer. It's more of a video game console with a keyboard and disk drive. The VIC-II and SID made it a pretty good video game console but the KERNAL and BASIC and DOS made it a lame computer. The slow IEC bus and crappy joystick port 2 didn't help. Beyond of the VIC-II and SID, it's success was mostly due to the aggressively low pricing. I'm more a fan of the Amstrad CPCs, the BBC Micros, and the Jay Miner computers: the Atari 8-bit computers and the Amigas.

[@seansretroverse9082]

Shouldn't you mean the crappy joystick 1 port? That's the reason so many companies made games for port 2, lol

[@timlocke3159]

@@seansretroverse9082 Yes. The last time I wrote C64 joystick code was over 30 years ago so I forgot.

[@timlocke3159]

@@arnolda.lampel6087Yes, some were lazy ports from the ZX Spectrum. The C64 got some lazy ports from the Speccy as well.

[@timlocke3159]

@@kurtpedersen2546The Amiga was supposed to be a game console, but Jay Miner had a computer in mind from the start. That said, the Amiga ended up being a real computer with a real operating system. As for "provoking with [my] comment", did you even watch the video? We were asked to "leave an angry comment". 😝

[@10MARC]

It's actually quite a robust computer. Don't forget there were hundreds of productivity software packages for it, if not thousands. In 1986 I kept a database of hundreds of my stepfathers mailing list recipients on mine. We could print out labels and send his books out whenever we wanted. The Commodore 64 was actually whatever you made it into. Many of us were not bothered with the slow disk access. You buy a $29 Epyx Fast Load and 90% of everything loads in seconds, not minutes. Want to program in something other than the included BASIC? Sure! Any of the optional dozen or so BASIC and other languages available work just fine. If you wanted to do anything other than stare at a cursor on a PC you bought extra software and hardware. If you want to do anything more than type "Hello World" on a C64 you bought extra software and hardware.

[@electryc03]

Nice trolling of Commodore Users. 🧌 Apple was selling theirs for around $2300 Apple in 1983 w/ a disk drive and printer. $2300 would be compared to buying a PC for $7 grand today. What system sold more and had more programs and games and support. Tandy...Atari....nope...

[@nigmaxus]

I was told to leave an angry comment grrrrrr

[@JGreen-le8xx]

Fact (kinda) Everytime an 8 bit Commodore machine gets turned on , you can hear the faint cries of Bill G in the distance. Either that or a capacitor is about to fry...

[@104d_3rr0r_vince]

I was and still am an Amstrad enthusiast for the 8bit era. Angry comment for what, the video was great.

[@timlocke3159]

The Amstrad CPC is one of my three favourite 8-bit computers along with the BBC Master and Atari 130XE. I also like Amstrad's other Z80 based CP/M machines like the 8256. My biggest complaint is the 3" floppy drives. The Amstrad CPC is also missing hardware scrolling and sprites which are important for games. The Plus models added those features but came out too late to get much use. I also really prefer the BASIC on the Amstrad CPC although being able to write assembly like BBC BASIC would be nice. I didn't have any of these systems growing up in the 80's. I had a VIC-20 and C64 before getting a series of Amigas. Today I'm not as much of a fan of the C64. It had a pretty good video chip (although the colours are drab) and a pretty great sound chip, but outside of that it doesn't really have a real OS like the Atari, BBC Micro and Amstrad have. Today I consider the C64 to be a video game console with a keyboard and disk drive.

[@104d_3rr0r_vince]

@@timlocke3159 Same here. Yes the CPC had no HW support, but in some eras was better, like racing games. Also had no color clash. CP/M was great and was a real all in one computer with 80 columns mode.

[@lovemadeinjapan]

@@timlocke3159 The CPC is a marvelous design, super-simple board layout, yet highly capable. I don't care about games, I've a PC Engine and NES for that, so I look at how they function as computer, and in that regard, the CPC is a very capable machine with proper BASIC, 80 column mode, more colours, clear RGB output and nicer keyboard layout.

[@anon_y_mousse]

This was funny, but you have to admit, the 6502 was the best processor at the time and its simplicity is why people still play with them. All of the x86 variants are boring by comparison and the only competitor it has for fun is the z80. I guess FPGA's are cool too, but even those are approaching boring.

[@tym0tym]

Nice try, but actually C128D is the best

[@markdillon5494]

They were all great.......and they were all terrible......and i loved them all......

[@alanbourke4069]

The Ataris had better colour, the Spectrum had a faster CPU but if you just even look at the C64 demoscene stuff coming out still in 2024 it's clear itwas the best 8-bit all rounder.

[@mcd3379]

Great video - the "golden era" of computing was full of computers that had "character" - and the Commodore 64 had it in spades. How did we end up in a world dominated by 2 kinds of computers - the PC and the Mac? There's a story there too, but the outcome is really a boring one. In many ways the market is ready for a third party disruptor that can produce a new computer full of character with superior technology at a low cost - aka the "Jack Tramiel Formula for Success."

[@fergaoneill5323]

Good old days

[@apocalypsevingt-cinq156]

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