The Complete Guide to Gods in Elder Scrolls Reaction

[@tylerlangston7538]

What I find most interesting about the elves in the elder scrolls series is that most fantasy stories portray elves as a peaceful race, antagonized and enslaved by their human neighbors, while elder scrolls elves have such a high regard of themselves thanks to their religious beliefs that the opposite ends up being true more so than anything else. Altmer (high elves) are often portrayed as bigoted and have been shown to enslave humans simply because they believe themselves to be inherently superior.

[@atheist101]

Then we have Warhammer 40k (not fantasy I know) where the space elves slipped so far into debauchery it birthed a true god of torturous excess and pleasure.

[@Dokari-l9m]

@@atheist101 or warhammer old world where they got into a civil war for succession rights and daddy issues. Followed by a war with dwarves for cutting the beard off an old dwarves

[@trappestarrgaming3422]

I mean they technically are superior

[@peasantofpersia]

@tylerlangston7538 in alot of fantasy world high elfs are full of themselves including lotr.

[@trappestarrgaming3422]

@peasantofpersia always gotta have an "other" to really against or to hold down the main cast.

[@varnasblade]

Honestly fudge Muppet has a video on the daedric princes which you should definitely check out, and if you're interested in individuals theyve also got full videos about each prince.

[@Watcherobot]

One of the best fictional religions in fantasy. Elder Scrolls has such a diverse and unique take on the fantasy genre. Would love to see you react to more.

[@-gemberkoekje-5547]

The subtitles are auto-generated, don't trust them, especially with fantasy words lol

[@garrettlaturski6703]

@@-gemberkoekje-5547 hail surface!

[@d-pod_L]

47:00 There is actually a book that does exactly that, it's called "Past the Sky's Rim: The Elder Scrolls and Theology"

[@noahcarver6133]

Dragonbreaks, the idea that time splits into multiple branches that all converge back into one branch, came about from the aftermath of the second game. The Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall had around 6-8 different endings. Bethesda needed to decide what ending was canon for the game when TES 3: Morrowind was coming around. Rather than picking one ending, Bethesda decided to make every ending canon because they didn’t want to dismiss the players choice and agency. This is called The Warp in the West.

[@ShadeStormXD]

beautifully coming up with a way to canonize multiple endings

[@drpigglesnuudelworte5209]

There will possibly be a dragon break civil war I think

[@cstains5543]

Wait until you get into concept of Chim, or realizing that it's all a dream and therefore controllable, which immediately places you either outside creation and utterly destroyed potentially if one loses the sense of self, or allows you to remake reality as you wish it to be. Either zero sum out or become a new god, potentially.

[@johnsmith-hn2vu]

Or, if you want to transcend, you get access to the dev tools (vivec canonically floats by deleting the texture file for his chair in Morrowind).

[@drpigglesnuudelworte5209]

@@cstains5543 Chim is basically just the character realizing that they’re in a video game and not being able to handle it/rationalize the fact that they still exist as I understand it lol.

[@lewd2851]

@@drpigglesnuudelworte5209 Thats called "Zero-Sum", achieving CHIM means to realize you're in a video game and therefore not real, but having enough of a self-image (or an ego, if you prefer) and basically telling reality "No, i AM real" which allows you to gain control of reality itself as if the NPC was a developer

[@destoyer094]

@@lewd2851 That's a good analogy, however if you want to go one step further then you go for AMARANTH and actually have the NPC leave the game and become a developer.

[@Talos_The_King]

@cstains5543 unfortunately this isn't canon.

[@jediknightryan]

It's pretty fascinating how much the religions and lore of The Elder Scrolls reflect real life and how our religions have so many interpretations. I've always been of the mindset that the Imperial pantheon is the most correct, but that's mainly because my Elder Scrolls knowledge is pretty much confined to Skyrim. I find the Daedra a bit more interesting because they're that much more active and can interact with them in game. I'd love to see you guys watch a video on them at some point because some of the lore about those guys is absolutely insane

[@minkalampinen9519]

Those subtitles got every name wrong XD

[@kratosGOW]

Fudge Muppet definitely should have included a visual representation of the concepts he’s explaining.

[@ivanmendoza7582]

Shoddycast also made a story teller for the elder scrolls but only one season definitely worth watching!

[@KrausHaus0]

Fudgemuppet is a great channel, hope you continue with elder scrolls 🙏

[@neph6098]

It hits different when you play the game and can understand little by little, Skyrim was one of my first PC games, the only one that I have over 1000 hours in and my favorite RPG by far, you get to meet a lot of the deities in the game, you're technically a demigod in the game, some sources claim that Dragonborn are fragments of Akatosh's soul and share this status with Alduin and possibly all of Dragonkind, it's so cool!!!

[@ironnordegraf]

The Dark Elves in Morrowind were the first ones to ever make see an elf as a genuinely unique entity seperate from humans and not just "dudes with pointy ears"

[@MrMeddyman]

Oblivion's a great game, I like how we're not the chosen one or anything special in any specific sense, just helping Martin/Sean Bean get off his ass and fulfill his destiny

[@ryano4784]

You're always chosen in the mainline games. It's just less apparent in Oblivion.

[@Shalltear773]

well you are, in a way. it's not overtly stated, but the emperor saw the Hero of Kvatch in their dreams which confirmed that was the day he dies. which would also imply the Hero of Kvatch was already chosen by some sort of fate to remove the threat posed by the Mythic Dawn and Mehrunes Dagon.

[@jiraffe9600]

@@ryano4784 You are not the chosen one in Daggerfall.

[@Daralyndk]

It is kinda hard to watch auto subtitles when comes to name of entities Padme (Padomai) An Oil (Anuiel) Surface (Sithis) ...sorry almost midnight and I have no strength to update this comment multiple times 😅

[@SixshotRevan]

Honestly, I love the Elder Scrolls games a lot. Oblivion and Skyrim are in my top games of all time. That being said, it's taken a LOT of time for me to wrap my head around the deeper lore like this video is covering. Even after 15 years, a little bit of this is new to me.

[@swanchamp5136]

Don't ask where Vivec got his spear 😐

[@RIFF900]

Just 2 minutes in to the video and those "subtitles" are absolutely getting ruined trying to figure out Fudgemuppet's accent, oof.

[@GirlofCulture]

Although I have the lore in my head because I had to learn it in order to write my book, based on Skyrim Lore I found a simple solution. Because hearing it so compact for the first time.. is.. WOW.. way to many names. In my world of Tamriel, all gods are descended from dragons, who, through their dreams and their experiences during their time on another planet that was destroyed, transferred all emotions and characteristics to the peoples of Tamriel, where they ultimately landed. The Daedra also emerged from them. Precisely because I knew that many world religions are connected to one another and are only separated from one another by different interpretations and names, just as we all have the same color inside, we all descend from the same gods. The dragons. Why? Because dragons are cool. 😎

[@novAviator01]

C0DA makes it canon

[@skittles.abuser]

Not gonna lie this video is better without captions cause they be confusing and SO wrong

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

Last Christmas I asked for Christmas the Big book of every culture's mythologies around the world and it's cool, scary, but also inspiring to see the similarities. From gods, to themes. The concept of a heaven and hell across them all, themes with world trees, snakes, different realms that different races/beings live in etc.

[@SplendidFactor]

Elder Scrolls lore is a rabbit hole I fell into a while back. Trippy stuff.

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

What I love most about Mythologies and Religions in fiction is that it mirrors our own in reality. All the different pantheon of gods and being across all culture that represent similar themes, but either combined or separated. Always makes me wonder if all these mythologies aren't just stories different groups of humans have lied to each other about to be death more comforting, but might has some truth across all the various different interpretations around the world. And once it's our time, we finally get our answer.

[@SonnyFRST]

TL;DR Elder Scrolls as a whole is about religion and racism. (yes, Bethesda created a color and diverse universe only to fill it with race wars and religious disputes)

[@trappestarrgaming3422]

Its the power of belief basically

[@Mixsheen71998]

I’ve genuinely waited so long for more Elder Scrolls Lore content!!! ❤ Just to let you guys know FudgeMuppets videos in the different races are one of my personal favourites. I think if you had any interest in any particular races pantheon, you should watch the corresponding video!

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

Also I've always had this theory on worship of beings and different afterlives too, not the first piece of media to it either like God of War or Horror game Siren. So speaking IRL for a moment, my theory is that since the beings or gods that created our universe are either weakened/unconscious because of it, they accept ANY interpretations form of worship for power. So whatever religion you believe in or whatever happens to you after you die, IS what happens to YOU individually. Also humans are partly cosmic beings with basically cosmic stardust particles in us, we have minor power we are unconsciously aware of too. It's quite mind-blowing and fascinating when you think about it. Also so tend to notice common patterns and themes in entertainment/stories across all time in all cultures. The concept of humanity being or BECOMING a single being or hivemind, the collective human unconscious, out cosmic origins, similarities in gods, collective worship or belief making something real etc.

[@statealchemist000]

Those captions suck >_

[@arcadius2569]

Wow that was a lot. What I would've done for some visual representation of that information xD

[@idnyftw]

ah elder scrolls, you come for the bugs and memes, then stay for the world building

[@Lote36]

I've always been interested in religions even fictional ones like this so it's really interesting to me

[@HonkHonkler]

Fascinating mythological lore that mirrors reality and might actually be true. Not the game's mythology, but how different cultures interrupt different beings to represent the same concept of existence like death, life, rain, sun, weather, love, lust etc. While I'm not PERSONALLY religious, I don't shame religion because the BASE being or energy might be real just interrupted in different ways.

[@Lupinemancer87]

Yay, more Elder Scrolls stuff.

[@ciberzombiegaming8207]

funny thing that Argonian religion is not mentioned , and that they have physical beings worshiped - Hist. who acording to some are not even native to mundus/mortal plane. that Hist are from either some of oblivion planes or otherwise not of aedra.

[@Khadharphak]

That is probably because the Hist aren't really gods nor are they recognised as a religion. The argonians love and revere them and involve them in rituals but it's different from traditional worship of the other races, the Hist are more like family or elders, it's closer to dunmeri ancestor worship than direct Aedric worship. Not to mention the Hist themselves recognise Sithis at the true creator.

[@thesilversparow1752]

Yesss my favourite game series! Nice to see you guys again ☺️☺️

[@josephcresswell5453]

I'm glad you're back to reacting to the elder scrolls, i recommend watching more specific lore videos, though. It can be *a lot* to try and take in the whole picture as a beginner

[@Shalltear773]

essentially time can be very, very, very flimsy in Elder Scrolls. both sides of the Lorkhan argument could be true despite contradicting each other. then you have Dragon Breaks. Dragon Breaks are basically when time has a seizure and causes multiple different things to be true. The Warp in the West is a famous example, and I believe is heavily tied to another thing called the Numidium. Otherwise known as the Brass God.

[@Gus_95]

I'm pretty new here, but in addition to FudgeMuppet I'd recommend Camelworks and Imperial Knowledge if you really wanna go down the TES rabbit hole

[@Bryan-Cysive]

I've been waiting for this!

[@Shorkhan1]

Ah, you now getting to the good stuff.

[@darthbane418]

watch his video on lorkhan its interesting

[@HonkHonkler]

You pretty much got it, I don't blame you guys for not remembering all the different names and whole lore to a fictional universe, but you got the base concept down. Each race in the world of the Elder Scrolls has their own worship of their version of the god and they're ALL true at the same time BECAUSE the beings that gave up their power to create the mortal world are now more subtle/cosmic/unconscious in nature than the Daedra who can more DIRECTLY talk to mortals on what their nature is.

[@medimed4772]

Would love a video on the daedra

[@elilambert6450]

Sweet more elder scolls lore !

[@KovCapyWizz]

We want More wacky Elder Scrolls lore! ✨

[@druiddemolisher160]

I need more elder scroll lore videos pleaseeeee

[@foofington5431]

22:00

[@bpopa27]

There are channels that explain Elder Scrolls lore more comprehensively, with pictures and less verbal overdose like CivilizationEx www.youtube.com/@CivilizationEx/search?query=elder%20scrolls

[@SpiritOfSpite]

Believers In one Interpretation of a god can't Intentionally target believer of another Interpretation for the purpose of strengthening their Interpretation, cause If they acknowledge that gods are that easily mutable then they wouldn't be truly believing that their Interpretation Is the one true version of that god, which would In turn weakening their Influence and strengthening every other Interpretation. Belief needs to be that: belief, pure and uncompromising faith, If you think you can change a god then you're not really believing In them you're trying to Impose your own ego because the only thing you truly believe In Is that YOU know better, that's how cults start and also why cult leaders In the Elder Scrolls get semi-deified after death, cause even If a cult leader proclaims to follow an Interpretation of a god the cultists under them only really believe In their leader so all that sweet succulent belief power Is only going to gorge the soul of the cult leader even IF that cult leader had truly deluded themselves Into thinking that all they ever did was In service to their god.

[@RikudoBraedon]

Please do Dagoth ur lore or Vivec lore by fudgemuppet

[@rampantsarcasm2220]

holy crap those subtitles are bad 😂

[@martinhill9561]

Welcome to the hole

[@ZeroReaver11]

He's going W A Y too fast for you guys or for just anyone who does not know anything about TES, you can also try ShoddyCast, they've Lore series for TES the same as they have for Fallout, you should give it a go.

[@HonkHonkler]

I don't think so. It's more so remembering all the different names for level of being and their representations. But the BASE concept "perception is reality" when it comes to the gods, they understood, which is the main purpose of the video.

[@MrBigshow234]

Next react to fudgemuppet all Daedric princes lore kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6S0gYKNqZx_iq8si=fYhtrxSGixaO6cME

[@tylerthomas8458]

Also talos would never disappear due to a lack of worship due to him achieving “Chim” which would actually make him want the strongest beings in existence in the elder scrolls so the fact that FudgeMuppet, a guy who does nothing but make constant elder scrolls videos about the same thing can’t get his info right which has been common knowledge to elder scrolls lore fans is wild. So yeah, again just be careful watching his videos because he will randomly pull something out his ass and unfortunately Elder scrolls doesn’t have a consistent person doing their lore videos good like Elden ring and dark souls

[@Shalltear773]

I don't recall him stating Talos would disappear. What he said is Talos' power and influence, in the eyes of the Thalmor at least, would become insignificant if Talos worship disappears entirely. VERY DIFFERENT from saying the deity will disappear.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

You don't wtf your talking about

[@submissionsniperfan]

You're delusional lmao

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

(:) D

[@tylerthomas8458]

Just be careful watching this guy‘s videos cause even though he does nothing but elder scrolls a lot of his facts are wrong, and the fact that he says the gods need worship to survive is actually completely wrong. one of the actual writers of the series michael just said “nope” they don’t need worship. His wrong info in this video actually has me remembering why I stop watching FudgeMuppet

[@reggielacey2235]

Hes not wrong. They do need worship otherwise they lose power

[@Prism988]

​@reggielacey2235 You're misinterpreting. He proposes the idea that certain aspects of the Aedra are empowered by worship. He never stated as fact that Aedra need worship to exist.

[@Shalltear773]

I may have misremembered due to getting blasted with information, but I don't think he said they need worship to survive. what I remember him saying is that worship empowers different aspects and personalities. now as for the Talos thing, he never said getting rid of Talos worship would kill him. only that the Thalmor seem to believe getting rid of his worship would render him impotent in a way.

[@tylerthomas8458]

And yet molog bal and Dagon are casually existing after they tried to conquer like they would be so weak because nobody besides the most fanatic would worship them but nope, they’re completely fine. You know why because they don’t lose power or need worship. This isn’t dnd, like look at the dead three and how weak they are because they kept trying to fuck shit up and barely have anyone worshipping them now. You think sheo or the other princes would be afraid of jyggulag if all they needed was worship?

[@mara_jade021]

​@@tylerthomas8458 You are mistaken Aedra with Daedra. Lorkan tricked Aedra to participe in the creation of Mundus. They lost shit of energy and they are the one that get empowered by workship as they in a way recovery part of themselves that was used created us. Daedra dont give a fuck due they dont participate in our creation. We are not part of them. They follow a very orthodox Elder scrolls lore created by official original creators of Elders. However follow the reliability of narrator Skyrim and in a way oblivion changed the interpretation of people in lore. So they are factual in lore they give. But based on in game races they will be totally against their interpretation of it.

[@hoki3697]

I admire you ability to solider through an hour of made up nonses just so the viewer are happy. What a world we're living.