The Conlang Community Iceberg, Part Two feat. lots of people

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This iceberg was a huge endeavor, definitely the most effort I've put into a single project yet. Huge thanks to everybody who helped in any way! Now you know the darkest depths of conlanging online. Is there more out there? Oh yeah totally, feel free to make your own icebergs if you want to go even more in-depth. My job here is done.
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[@csolisr]

I'm surprised you could manage to make a whole iceberg without even a mention of lojban

[@StrategicGamesEtc]

Or Toaq and the other loglangs which sprang from it.

[@Ithirahad]

More like lojBANNED from this iceberg list. \*finger guns\*

[@Dolph1nVR]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@AndreaColombo-fx1wh]

42

[@fabulouschild2005]

​​@@Ithirahadayyyyyy 👉😎👉

[@ConnorQuimby]

lemme pull this up on a projector and give it a worthy screening

[@guangzexu6027]

36:29 This letter is used in the term _серафими многоꙮчитїи_ (serafimi mnogoočitii), which means _many eyed seraphim_ (or, a biblically accurate angel).

[@everlyw7892]

yo i love being a conlanger who can read cyrillic because it makes all those times when people use russian/other slavic languages a lot easier to understand. Does that letter make the о in много longer or is it just not pronounced??

[@AmikaChill]

@@everlyw7892 if i understans correcttly, and this only from my experience with russian as a first language, so sorry if i am wrong, but there would be a short pause between the two о's, like in uh oh

[@everlyw7892]

@@AmikaChill oh cool! do you pronounce it like an a or like an o?

[@AmikaChill]

@@everlyw7892 first o is reduced and is pronounced like a Second one is stressed and pronounced like o

[@HBMmaster]

gotta say, watching through both parts of this was an experience, with how many of these entries are things that are directly connected to my own work. some important notes (in no particular order)! - jack eisenmann's works had a small but extant following before being featured on conlang critic; his video outlining vötgil was decently popular for a conlang showcase video at the time - an important step in the #RjienrlweyChallenge is step three: "do not actually do this". everyone who posted a video of themselves saying rjienrlwey failed the challenge - it's somewhat irresponsible, I think, to present "ghoti" in a fully uncritical way; english spelling is a little weird, but it's not THAT weird, and any english speaker can intuitively understand that no, it's not actually consistent with english spelling to spell "fish" as (but "pfysche" works just fine!) - come on you can't just talk about anthony mccarthy and the New radio shows? thread without talking about the SONGS smh

[@user-sn6gt6rz1z]

Hi

[@hephaestus8122]

Hey jan! Love your conlang critic videos!

[@jangamecuber]

the songs are what cheered me up after i watched the end of gravity falls

[@namaenamae1]

sina pakala e kulupu pi toki pona a

[@TheoEvian]

My problem with the ghoti joke is that it simply ignores the fact english ortography is context sensitive, it really matters what is before and after each letter or group of letters. I started thinking about context sensitivity in ortography when I explained to somebody what is the REALLY hard part of learning to read Japanese.

[@matroqueta6825]

kay(f)bop(t) aside from the hats has a lot of amazing features, including but not limited to: - the bimanual click (aka clap) and the faciomanual click (aka facepalm) are phonemes - declensions for number are finite/infinite as opposed to singular/plural - there is declension for awesomeness, resulting in the _epic, awesomic, coolic, okayic, mehic,_ and _submehic_ grammatical cases

[@camiblack1]

you forgot the fact that zigazigah (forget the hats...) is the best joke word.

[@paigemaloney3216]

"The basque icelandic pidgin is not in fact a pidgin of basque and icelandic." Plot twist

[@suomeaboo]

Reality is often disappointing.

[@dangswan]

kay(f)bop(t) not at the bottom? I guess it's time to reveal more secrets...

[@mjolninja9358]

Hi

[@mrcolmiyo]

The legend himself!

[@vulgarlang]

Great cursed content! The $60 for the hats is totally worth it

[@mrelephant2283]

The Old Irish section didn't even mention the insane levels of verb suppletion (I don't blame you) which I will actually defend because it gives me confidence to add that type of suppletion to my own languages as a way to fake irregularity

[@talideon]

Yup! That's a much more cursed part of the language. Actually, count the verbal complex too: that's why the etymology of Irish verbs can be so hard to figure out. Old Irish phonology and orthography are nowhere near as cursed as the segment makes out, even if they're not simple. Even today, Irish orthography is two tonnes of phonology stuffed into the one tonne bag that is the Latin alphabet, and it still makes more sense than English orthography.

[@dannyzep92]

Some dude put a language together for seraphim and now I'm down the rabbit hole of conlangs.

[@jasonyesmarc309]

Wouldn't the first person singular exclusive pronoun be something used by someone dissociating without an alter? If they're performing tasks during dissociation, and there's no alter fronting for a system because the brain is literally devoid of self-awareness at the moment, then would that not be "I, without myself, did a task"?

[@kirby_tardigrade]

i know this comment is old but i can confirm it's like this, at least in my system lol

[@caeruleus8457]

Woah that was a surprise! Guess I'm truly a member of the conlanging community now :) It's nice someone found my video relatable even though I just did it for the laughs, but what's the point of conlanging if you can't have a little fun with it? Gonna watch the rest of this video now lol

[@hephaestus8122]

Oh hey Caeruleus! I joined your discord a bit ago and loved your Sparai video!

[@SpaceDirt_]

This is beautiful. So happy I got to work on this!

[@niharbehere1584]

I love how Anthony McCarthy put the words conlang in quotations as if that's not what he speaks lmao

[@cobyobrien9036]

"paying your undoubtedly undivided attention to this iceberg deep dive video" me, on the other side of my room, tidying my stuff up: yup 100%

[@thepanplate]

this will be a beautiful ~60 minutes

[@wyntyrr]

*61

[@oznerolnavi3772]

@@wyntyrr cum

[@kazekagetoriyama861]

alright its time for the sequel

[@kazekagetoriyama861]

thanks for the heart ö

[@kitdubhran2968]

I’m pretty impressed that I actually knew some of the stuff in the cursed part of the iceberg. This was a totally cool video series. Thank you. I also hate listening to hyper pirate. It makes me die a little on the inside listening to all of those rhotics. 😘

[@CarelessFoolFallsFlat]

I'm actually not that involved in the conlang scene. I just chew through iceberg videos like they're cake. Hard, cold cake that makes my teeth hurt. As someone who's proud of his English skill, it truly is a cursed language.

[@devofficialchannel]

I'm gonna be honest. I have the document of Uwulang saved and like I honestly think it's beautiful. I kinda get why it would be weird since it's a language made of "uwu"s and "owo"s, but imo it's actually good how much effort is put into the language. It deserves more love.

[@brunnomenxa]

8:48 The Chinese language uses a similar phenomenon for character formation. The most notable example is 火 which means fire, but 炎 is inflammation, 焱 is flames and 燚 blaze.

[@tcowtiahanto8815]

20:01 no way my language is getting rep in a conlang iceberg of all places 😭😭

[@pentelegomenon1175]

"we all know Quebecois is just English speakers trying to speak French" I don't know if Quebecois would be offended, but I feel pretty certain that they would not be amused.

[@bloodystatic4156]

Beneath this iceberg is an unknown language… …My constructed language, Barohsawkies…

[@jslice6137]

4:15 weak, where are my basque-algonquian pidgin fans at

[@jslice6137]

@@gaxamillion_ It existed, but like Basque-Icelandic Pidgin, it’s heavily Romance with some Basque words and some Algonquian words.

[@ninitehchsnavi5238]

My favorite conlang: *Plukanian language:* Koo - All words, with the following exceptions: Kyu (pronounced "kyew") - any profanity Ketseh (pronounced "keh-tseh", emphasis on the second syllable) - matches (or, rather, the chemicals ordinarily used on Earth for match heads) Chatl - a currency unit Tsak - a small bell worn on the nose to indicate the low social status of the wearer Tentura and Antitentura - two opposite parts of the Universe. Some planets and galaxies exist in Tentura (including Earth, number 013 in the Tentura, seventh in Spiral) and some in Antitentura Pepelats - an interplanetary spacecraft (from the Georgian პეპელა p’ep’ela, "butterfly") Tsapa - a component for different machines. A "big tsapa" is a very important component for the pepelats. A "small tsapa" is a component for the gravitsapa; without the small tsapa, a gravitsapa will not work. Tsapa is similar to a very rusty screwnut Gravitsapa - a component for the pepelats which allows intergalactic travel (from "gravity" + "tsapa") Tranklucator - a weapon Visator - compact device, detects difference between Patsaks and Chatlanians Kappa - a button or lever Luts - the fuel used by the pepelats, it is made of water Chatlanin - being with a high social status (detected as "orange" on a Visator) Patsak - being with a low social status (detected as "green" on a Visator) Ecilop - a policeman ("police" spoken backwards) Etsikh - a box for prisoners; also the imprisonment in such box (as a penalty); also "the Etsikh" is a jail with many such boxes ("Etsikh" is from the Georgian ციხე tsikhe, "prison"). "Etsikh with nails" is a hard punishment. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza!

[@_juliakp1_]

the dedication to 'pronouncing' kay(f)bop(t) correctly every time is amazing

[@deejayaech4519]

Oh my god that pronunciation chart on the 2nd to last layer is so cursed

[@koscheiivanovisch4540]

56:51 The stuff of nightmares

[@sniccups8390]

This is the first time I've seen someone actually do the Kay(f)bop(t) hat-switching in real life. Amazing.

[@GdHNightshade]

As a native welsh speaker, I have to appreciate the amount of cursed madness mentioned here. There are also dialectal differences in welsh, and if you know what I'm referring to, you know. Anyways, diolch. Also, for fun, if you aren't twelsh, try your best to say llaeth (milk). You probably said it wrong, but at least it was funny. Anyways, pob hwyl, and I loved the teirlist.

[@glitchybrawl7012]

4:30 ah yes my favorite romance language german

[@samuelmarger9031]

It premieres at 2AM my time zone dammit! Waiting to see, anyways.

[@bleeding.flowers]

I just saw the length omg This is glorious

[@n3ishere]

iceberg time

[@salumtheconlang2953]

I might be late, but never absent

[@mac5565]

I mean traditional Welsh numerals are cool and all, but they've got nothing on Hindustani. OK, sure, Hindustani uses boring old base ten - but all the numbers from 1 to 100 are essentially irregular! And as far as I know, there's no alternative regularised system! And like 750 million people use this language on a daily basis! And somehow people don't talk about this! (Oh and by the way there's separate root words for 1.5 and 2.5, but that's actually practical so I think it can be ignored for now.)

[@Kirbman]

You didn't even mention the most interesting part of the Kay(f)bop(t) Babel text: that it can also be translated to the lyrics of Never Gonna Give You Up.

[@kornsuwin]

1 hour is like 300 times my attention span im watching it anyways

[@yanagelfand4337]

Wow! Just... wow! I'm not that active of a member of the community (I watch conlanging youtube a lot, but I'm not on reddit or LCS), and I've only been watching your channel for a couple of days, but this was exactly the level of deep dive that I needed! I really appreciate this explanation, because I remember seeing this iceberg just as a picture some time ago and thinking: "well, yeah, I know some of these things, but I'm definitely not included enough to get most of it". And these two videos are so great, you really went so far to provide so much information both about actual "useful" things to know and memes, which is also so important for a community. Thank you!

[@rommelrivera6131]

Everytime I hear your intro, I can't ignore ***the licc***

[@sproutgod1701]

I still can never believe that my native language language SENĆOŦEN ( 48:41 ) is seen as so cursed, it was created by my great grandfather Dave Elliot with the help of other fluent elders who were alive in the 70s and 80s. it was written in this way to show distinction from modern English using the limitations of a typewriter. This orthography is still new but I’ve grown up with it as being no different from how French and Spanish had different ways of using Latin characters. We have very few fluent speakers but this system has been effective in helping our dying language be learnt

[@JoXnCostello]

I was going to say, it’s a little cheap to make fun of SENĆOŦEN orthography without going into the historical reasons for why it is the way it is. It’s basically one guy trying to give his mother tongue an orthography you can type on an English typewriter, in the era before Unicode. So, underlines and strikethroughs are phonemic because English typewriters don’t come with a bunch of fancy diacritics, and everything is capitalized because “caps lock” ≈ shift lock, which made all the diacritics available without having to hit shift. Like @sproutgod1701 says, Dave Elliot’s work was a huge contributing factor to the fact that SENĆOŦEN survived long enough to undergo revitalization efforts. The ALL CAPS affect comes off as strange, but honestly, even that can be mitigated by font choice …

[@AllisimaProductions]

It does seem conlangers have a tendency to just point at things and go "its bad lol" without much objective justification... I can sorta see why some people see it as "cursed" (not that I necessarily agree), but if anything its the kind of "cursed" where I can completely understand why it was made the way it was. On the contrary, an example of something which is cursed in a way which I cannot understand in any capacity would be Poliespo.

[@cauliflowerpower1025]

where the fuck is conworkshop

[@joannasthings]

Hyperpirate-Kaybop Creole? dont mind if i do...

[@dangswan]

Ah, yes, good old karrrrr(f)barRrr(t') (and, as we all know, "(t')" is top hat pronounced with your eye patch flipped up)

[@raymoshav-bloodbought]

May its creation be swift.

[@bootmii98]

The velopharyngeal fricative is a sound people with a cleft palate use in place of phonemes they can't pronounce

[@DominoPivot]

That was very entertaining. I knew at least one thing per layer :D

[@elemenopi9239]

the creator of viesa is called whiletrue

[@AllisimaProductions]

can confirm

[@AllisimaProductions]

(this joke has been ruined by the fact that this channel is no longer called whiletrue)

[@katathoombz]

Nice to find one of my once-frequent experiences sorted to the bottom of tier 6. Bliss wasn't too difficult to utilise.

[@janpona9781]

i've been looking at your wall with some chinese characters and suddenly realized that you look like xiaomanyc

[@AgmaSchwa]

Had to look him up, yeah I can see it hahaha

[@demosmemebrewery9916]

xiaoma :eyes:

[@magnvs_]

Now we're deep.

[@fabulouschild2005]

HyperPirate sounds like a mix of you having a stroke and you drowning

[@user-sl4ep8tw1s]

18:39 So "but again what is a word" has become a meme much earlier than I though... 43:21 Pleasant to know someone else does this for birds))) Mine isn't as extreme tho

[@verylostdoommarauder]

Car Slam could actually serve as a pretty good kind of code-speak.

[@animanya394]

Ah, pity there wasn’t that one corvid language. Though i would like there to be a lot of stuff - a few more smaller youtubers, conlang tools, cool language features - one thing I would add is WALS😌

[@LightDhampire]

serendipitous convergent linguistic evolution - made the list? That's hilarious!

[@HumanMortal]

hyperpieate sounds like the language of an alien having a stroke

[@hazelbasil4989]

For anybody who wanted timestamps: 2:17 - Layer 5: The Shadow Realm 2:21 - Poliespo 4:16 - Basque-Icelandic Pidgin 4:56 - Rabbid 5:50 - Lingua Ignota 6:40 - (could not find how to type this, but it's about phonemes) 7:26 - Segmentative Aspect 8:57 - Strut 9:37 - There is no way I'm writing that down (it's about clicks in case you were wondering) 10:28 - ʩ (heyyy, I found a way to write it down!) 11:14 - Sulcalization 11:50 - Anthony McCarthy 13:12 - Hiw "Rhotic" 13:52 - Balaibalan 14:35 - Talossan 15:40 - Vabungula 16:54 - Vötgil Wikipedia article (To be or not to be, that is the question) 18:14 - Xnopyt 18:56 - SEAscript 19:19 - Sparai 20:01 - Welsh (you've probably never heard of it) 21:24 - Pmitxki 21:57 - Ælis 23:14 - Kiliki 23:51 - kay(f)bop(t) (aka the language with the hats) 26:40 - Layer 6: The Abyss 26:46 - Navy Seal Copypasta in Rabbid 27:16 - English (a fairly unknown language) 28:00 - Shona Whistled Z 29:00 - First Person Exclusive Singular (wtf?) 30:04 - This Chart 30:40 - ULTRAFRENCH 31:45 - Traditional Welsh Number System (base 20 + weird stuff) 33:50 - SCLEW 34:49 - IPA Chart from 1900 (CURSED) 35:56 - Phonetic IPA 36:29 - (again, how tf do I type this) 36:54 - whyyyy 37:24 - Uscript 38:12 - ÖXXÖ XÖÖX! 39:17 - Rikchik 40:13 - Old Irish 42:53 - Rausle (aka bird language) 44:12 - Blissymbolics 45:08 - Layer 7: The Lightless Depths 45:21 - uWu Language 46:22 - benny 48:39 - Saanich Orthography 49:20 - Erov 49:58 - Viesa (English evolved) 51:09 - Oou 52:28 - Car Slam 54:32 - HyperPirate (all the rhotics) 58:21 - Congrats! You have reached the bottom of the iceberg. why did I decide to spend over an hour of my time doing this... should I have been doing my homework? yes. did I have fun? also yes. I think that's enough of an answer. I really need to go do my homework though.

[@vexxus3425]

26:53 why can I hear Home Depot music in the bg lmao

[@redsamson5185]

Happy 420! אַרְבַּע עֲסְרִין טָבָה ærba’ ‘esrīn Tāβā

[@jimboreee]

48:35 Nguh please, convince Benny to create a KZbin channel. his Langs don't deserve to be isolated on your discord. I'll be his first subscriber. But no, seriously, these are some interesting sounding languages. I would pay to see the grammar behind them, if they are as cursed.

[@kadenvanciel9335]

XD Dracheneks taking over. Is it payback for when you appeared in one of his videos? XD

[@AgmaSchwa]

Of course, hahaha

[@hnglbanana]

hell yeah, welsh representation

[@dannydorito2954]

56:53 DO YOU SPEAK TO YOUR MOTHER WITH THAT MOUTH???

[@8-bitfox716]

Let me hear Benny's conlangs clearly 💀

[@ehtuanK]

ÖXXÖ XÖÖX is also used by the experimental metal project Igorrr

[@birdbill888]

For a good moment I thought Benny was just a robot made from ur voice clips.

[@goldenspeeed]

26:40 please dont tell me thats possible

[@postironiac]

How to pronounce fŋ sound?

[@Zane-It]

Moon script for the blind should be here

[@TomteMiley]

If made now, this iceberg would need to contain the Sprekcedis "Pidgin". Sadly it kinda died a bit after an attempted spelling reform...

[@sunburnedshirts3724]

id like to add a good contender for the lower layers: focurc in 2016 a user joined a discord dedicated to ancient/endangered languages claiming to speak an undocumented germanic language turns out it was just falkirk scots with a weird romanization 😂

[@talideon]

32:20 - The Welsh (and French) numbering system is nowhere near as cursed as that of Danish.

[@1.4142]

Was the first conlang when people first invented language?

[@johnloony68]

I have been watching these two videos for the last 90 minutes and you didn’t even mention the first (vaguely) successful conlang. Domido solresol faremi la falami lasi refasolfa re redodo. (Universal language is the means of peace and unity.)

[@haydend.maniac227]

I need Crihaan in my life.

[@isweartofuckinggod]

How much crossover is there between the conlang and the esolang communities? just a bit curious.

[@contrapunctusmammalia3993]

hilarious that this video came out not long BEFORE billy ray waldon's conviction was overturned and he will be tried again

[@TarkTheConlanger]

pog

[@TarkTheConlanger]

@Hayden the Toa the only dessert I know from the Philippines is Halo-halo

[@mohammadazad8350]

42:11 Cries in French.

[@zmvboi3100]

When’s the Ornu deep dive

[@kazekagetoriyama861]

nguh train

[@ottolehikoinen6193]

Welsh in general is a conlang word.

[@marcinjanoska3345]

i have a question.. what does the image of the 6th layer mean?!

[@nukollodda]

it's a shame we didn't see the magical linguonasal place of articulation

[@nadronnoco4227]

Could you put the music in the description?

[@AgmaSchwa]

The music is all mine, I was planning on releasing an "album" of my background music towards the end of this year, stay tuned👀

[@Aveeery]

The L in Milwaukee is silent >:( I'm cry

[@mbg8733]

58:05 I have a new goal in life.

[@ancapmage7436]

15:40 this sounds like a cursing in Portuguese

[@volvagianintendo6465]

Hast thou met Colin Gorrie? I am subscribed to his namesake KZbin conlanging channel. He makes interesting stuff, so go watch some of his films!

[@thirdcoastfirebird]

Now I want to give Xnopyt a definition. Why just because.

[@krangighwan]

10:48 the velar trill isn't included even there, and it's what i say instead of alveolar one. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

[@snowl_fennox]

I wanna go toe-to-toe with Benny tbh Some of my conlangs are vv cursed imo tbh, and I feel like he'd be interested lol

[@1.4142]

There is a vötgil draft

[@seanwilliams1166]

At like 30mins in, haha, nah I’m also playing super auto pets

[@angusmcmillain]

I tried writing a vötgil Wikipedia article and it got killed for copyright l.

[@aliceh5289]

Did no one in your community know about Láadan?

[@carsonpiano1]

Good point

[@anthonymccarthy6688]

Someone called me?

[@nsr-ints]

Anyone have timestamps?

[@kirilvelinov7774]

IPA sound iceberg Basic letters Digraphs Long vowels Glottal stop Aspirated plosives The X sound

[@YouTubeName-hw1uk]

The tongue in the naval cavity is very disturbing