The Cope for Spider-Man: Edge of Time is Hilarious

[@spider-manunknown9193]

The whole Miguel being racist is a meme and not to be taken seriously, I can’t believe people actually are being legit.

[@dumlord1581]

"I respect every spider-man in here"

[@king_poyo64]

“GET MILES THE BLAAAACK ONE!”

[@GraySheep1717]

I really like Edge of time because the dialogue’s funny 🥺 “Why are these things always in threes?” “I have no idea…”

[@savagelogic8674]

I like when you acknowledge the comics in these arguments. You’re not just another reviewer who tries to say they’re just trash, while mindlessly praising the adaptations that they inspire. You’re fair when it comes to letting adaptations do their own thing as long as it doesn’t deviate too much from the core of the character, while still showcasing their worth writing wise with out of context arguments like these and just saying “but the comics” to cover their dumb argument.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@savagelogic8674 Some adaptations are good and some are bad. Comic accuracy does matter at times.

[@mikumika3819]

If I claim that Peter Parker MURDERED my children then you can't criticize my argument because I'm the one who made it

[@s.k.4289]

Exactly

[@bampowbang6898]

The only time I would ever say Peter was "selfish" was during OMD. Aunt May would’ve never approved of Peter selling both his marriage and happiness in order to save her.

[@ReaseBurner]

it’s okay if people like edge of time but some of these cope defenses hurts it. “I think you should find a two millimeter shotgun” like what 😭

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@ReaseBurner Ong

[@sonnypark124]

This happened in my discord server and it was a debate between SK and a guy we know, the only thing he did was throw insults at SK and not actually engage with his arguments.

[@matthodgkinson2003]

​@@sonnypark124 You get it all on video? Would love to see how bad the guys arguments were

[@sonnypark124]

@@matthodgkinson2003 No, SK has it but he unlisted it, not sure why.

[@matthodgkinson2003]

@@sonnypark124 OK then

[@batnick10]

OMG I LOVE Spider-Man Edging Time!!!!

[@s.k.4289]

Calm down my guy

[@dumlord1581]

That is a very different game lmao

[@spider-manunknown9193]

This hurts my childhood Nostalgia for this game. While it’s been awhile if I played the game itself, if I remember correctly I think Peter acting out of character is him slowly becoming Ceo future Peter.

[@s.k.4289]

Nope. The game outlines that the anti-aging drug caused him to turn evil. He created it with the original intention to prolong his career as Spider-Man and thus save more people. But it had side effects on his brain chemistry and caused him to become evil. So prior to even taking the anti aging drug, he was still trying to be the best Spider-Man he can be, which is another variable going against his character in this game.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@s.k.4289 The line was never meant for him to be like “Screw a billion strangers” He’s asking Miguel a question if saving strangers are more important than his loved ones. Yes it sounds stupid for him to ask that but a superhero always worry’s about a loved one more than anything. They’ll save strangers no matter what because they know it’s right.

[@RaymanPotatoes]

Across the spider-verse Miguel is 100% racist because I've heard him say "MILES THE BLAAACK ONE" in a video so it has to be the truth fr fr

[@dumlord1581]

I can imagine why Peter would be put off by letting this version of MJ die; it's simply not in his character to say, "Screw it, I know she'll be fine anyway." This is not to justify how he was written in the game by any means, but it definitely could have been interesting to play with that idea, like how Insomniac did, where he very painfully has to come to that conclusion since it is still his wife. Once that happened, it could play with how that would affect him moving forward, even if he did see her again later. But that's all speculative and going off of an admittedly limited understanding of the character

[@PyroMaker3]

SK you're pushing me over the edge of time

[@s.k.4289]

Lol

[@Idontsleepatnight7]

Bro,the cope makes me confused like S.K:*critique's a games story* people arguing with him :"You need to find a 9mm shotgun" Why? Its a peice of media

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@Idontsleepatnight7 people go too far when you criticize something they love.

[@MatheusHenrick-uv9gt]

9mm shotgun? lmao

[@Idontsleepatnight7]

@@MatheusHenrick-uv9gt I'm dumb and forgot the number

[@TK-9851]

Ok but have you considered that Peter David wrote it?

[@s.k.4289]

You’re saying the names of the writers are more important than the writing?

[@HungryFatassCaterpillar]

@@s.k.4289You’re saying the writers are more important than Lucas?

[@leonglitch]

​@@s.k.4289 wait are you joking or do you think op is being serious?

[@CrocsFortress]

I just find it pretty weird how people are acting like this is the best piece of Spider-Man media of all time when we have had several other better examples. Not saying people aren’t allowed to like the game but I think there are other Spider-Man products that do better in a writing aspect.

[@s.k.4289]

Spider-Man TAS, Spider-Man Unlimited, The Spider-Verse movies, Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, Spectacular Spider-Man, the Insomniac Spider-Man games, TASM movies, Home trilogy, all clear EOT.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@s.k.4289 Gotta disagree on Homecoming & Far From home those films were terribly written. Heck I say EOT is atleast better written than half of what you mentioned. I say EOT is better written than Homecoming,Far From Home,TASM 1&2,NWH,Marvels Spider-Man 2.

[@malkolmxrodriguez7527]

In what way is the Home Trilogy better than Edge of Time? That has to be bait

[@s.k.4289]

If you wanna know why the Home trilogy is better, just watch my video on Edge of Time. I stand by 95% of what was said for the plot, but 100% of what I said about characters.

[@matthodgkinson2003]

@@spider-manunknown9193 I'm sorry but even though Far from home isn't great there's no moment in any of the home movies or TASM 1 or 2 (or heck every single thing SK mentioned) that are as bad as "You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones"

[@nishchayjain1121]

People say that Edge of Time Spider-Man is a better character than Insomniac Spider-Man because of his humour and quips, ignoring that Insomniac Spider-Man does that as well to villains that like the comics. Insomniac Spider-Man was thinking of saving Aunt May with the Anti-serum but he instead decide to priorities the people’s well-being, showing that’s what Spider-Man will do save others, but not able to save his love ones at the end as always.

[@yoisthrust9112]

But peter David wrote it ☹️

[@the_pugman]

"spider-man is selfish" they are forgetting that when peter was first selfish as spider-man, he lost uncle ben.

[@Brown246g]

Me personally I think it’s morally incorrect to think that Spider-Man is selfish for going to save a life because I don’t think he just wants to save a life just because it’s his wife I think he has all right to want to save a life no matter what happens no matter if she gets brought back or not. No, nobody deserves death in his eyes, especially his wife, even if it was some random dude I feel like he would make the same moral option.

[@s.k.4289]

Then why does he say “you’re saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones” when the good he will do is brought up? Why doesn’t he look into the archives of other people in history who died like he did with MJ? The reason is that Miguel outlined that poking into the archives is dangerous in itself, so it’s a risk Peter is only okay with taking to save his loved ones. Note that he does not do this for anyone else after saving MJ. And again, there’s not a valid dilemma if MJ is going to live anyway if Miguel’s mission is done, but would die anyway if Miguel’s mission fails.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@s.k.4289 Why wouldn’t the first person he look up be MJ? The Billion stranger line is supposed to be Peter asking Miguel a question if strangers are equally important as family. He’s not saying strangers lives aren’t important.

[@Brown246g]

@@s.k.4289 you know what I’m glad that you responded I appreciate it. Honestly, this is good conversation. And yes, I do think you are right when Miguel tells Peter not to look in archives and he still does it and he only looks at Mary Jane’s. That is a valid criticism. But I really think the reason why my statement doesn’t necessarily work is because he did say that statement of you think billions of strangers is worth more than my loved ones. But at the same time, this is the game that even you mentioned has great quotes by Spider-Man. I think it’s less of Peter being a bad Spider-Man in this game and more of the game being inconsistent with his dialogue. Because to me still, Peter still has rights to not sit by and let somebody die just because some algorithm says he shouldn’t do it. I get you when you say he’s only doing it for his loved ones I really do. But at the same time he selflessly stays in the future so nothing occurs to anybody, especially his love ones that’s why he doesn’t tell his loved ones his secret identity. I want to find some common ground. This is interesting conversation I like to have.

[@Brown246g]

@@s.k.4289 and would you say the game would have been better if there were more missions of saving people that were in the archives that were scheduled to die. Because I just feel like that’s just from bad game design by having Peter only worry about MJ and not worry about anybody else what is Peter just so happened to see them does look for MJ I’m not aware. Because if he doesn’t then, that’s fucked up, but if he does, he happened to stumble upon her profile that’s completely different.

[@Brown246g]

@@s.k.4289 but at the same time, I don’t think it would be very Spider-Man of either one of them to just let Mary Jane die knowing that she’s dying that day doesn’t matter if they know that she can be brought back, make it right for Spider-Man’s moral code. Because even Winnie he has a mission, Spider-Man is still Spider-Man and he’s going to have to save people even when the situation is stacked against him. If Peter was there himself, he would’ve done it himself. Peter would’ve happily died for the sake of rescuing Mary Jane. I don’t know the personally I feel like it’s less of the fact that it’s Mary Jane, and more of the fact that he wants to save a person who doesn’t need unnecessary death.

[@thebyerzbros.7245]

This is interesting, and I legit forgot Spider-Man said that about the “billion people” 😂😂 I personally love Edge of Time as a game. Its story, voice-acting, and music gave me a really fun and memorable time for the length that the game was. I think it’s common on KZbin video essays for someone to critique something as bad, label it as fact, and when someone defends it, it’s all of a sudden “Well that was just my opinion!!!” I think the section of saving MJ was more of a poorly written “we don’t trade lives” story. Peter genuinely believed he could save both MJ and the universe, and didn’t care if the chances were technically smaller. Which is dumb, sure

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@thebyerzbros.7245 That’s actually a good way to look at it and I hope S.K. Reply’s to your comment.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

@@spider-manunknown9193He’ll reply it by disproving this.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Unfortunately even when you know you gave a good argument to him.

[@bakirboss555]

My honest opinion is that i love the game despite it being too short in my opinion. Yeah it was rushed and all but i liked it. The whole quantom quasality could have been done a lot more. Atrocity is awesome yet sloan and dock ock are just there. It needed a lot more polishing. But i dunno, the dynamic between those 2 saves it for me and i could replay this game every day. The challenges are good but some of them make me wanna shove forks in my eyes on how difficult they are. Again, love the game, so funny

[@VincentEternal]

I’ll edge all over your time S.K

[@s.k.4289]

The animal manipulation master himself

[@VincentEternal]

That’s my name! Don’t wear it out!

[@MetalHopper]

Are you about to blow?

[@jcasali3391]

I’m so sick to death of people criticizing this strangers line and making people think EOT Peter is selfish because he wanted to stay in 2099 to avoid his loved ones being hurt because of him. It’s not like Peter later regretted this decision once he realized MJ will die.

[@s.k.4289]

Right, he regretted this once he realized *MJ* would die. But prior, Miguel mentioned the good he will do for billions of people, which means saving their lives throughout history. He already knew people would suffer due to his inaction because Miguel told him. And Miguel shouldn’t have to tell him anyway because of Ben’s death. What you presented quite literally proves the point that he is selfish and only fights for himself.

[@jcasali3391]

@@s.k.4289 sigh forget it nothing me or anyone else will say will change your mind on your quote terrible game

[@batnick10]

@@jcasali3391bro provided a counter argument and you just ran away💀

[@jcasali3391]

@batnick10 I wanted to do that but what difference will it make he despises the game and no one will change his mind

[@Slashy-VR]

@@jcasali3391did you really just type out “sigh”? How is anyone supposed to take your argument seriously now?

[@jacklove503]

So you're saying that I can't criticize this video because you made the video ... Okay

[@MataNui.]

Do people not realize creators can fall off? Or in the case of creators like Dave Filoni, become so overly attached to the character they created that it's detrimental to their ability to write said character.

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

Exactly, I like Ashoka, but I prefer her before he over saturated her so much in media

[@SpiderJerk2000]

The slaughter train is leaving.

[@Spaghetti_Requiem]

Spider-man edging through time

[@frenchwafer5198]

Do you feel he was character assassinated in tobey’s SM2

[@s.k.4289]

No

[@frenchwafer5198]

@ hmm 🤔

[@matthodgkinson2003]

I guess Game of thrones Season 8 isn't bad now cause it had the same writers as the other seasons. Seriously that defence is so so bad for so many reasons. This also mean we can't critise Dark phoenix cause Simon Kinberg wrote it and he wrote days of future past.

[@s.k.4289]

Yep 😭

[@matthodgkinson2003]

@@s.k.4289 Don't know if you've ever seen GOT, but I would highly recommend watching at least the first 4 seasons. Honestly some of the best TV ever made.

[@s.k.4289]

Haven’t seen yet

[@Sunset_Serenity]

“This game’s writing game me cancer, thanks a lot.” --- 60s Spider-Man

[@marky191]

s.k…. cmon…… i’m tryna like you… you have an opinion i disagree with thus i no longer like you i’m trolling

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

That post comparing the two Miguel O'Haras is a clear-as-day instance of poor media literacy.

[@Starkstar502]

Great video! Thanks for using my point.

[@jackofalltraits2145]

The "it was written by the creator" argument has so many holes it's not even funny. Sadly I have used it before in defense of the Star Wars Prequels. I still love the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy and George Lucas's creative vision, but I won't say that they were perfectly written films. The dialogue and dated CGI in certain cases alongside certain actors giving stilted performances do take the movies down a notch and I've come to admit that. That's what we should do on the internet and in real life as fans: acknowledge the flaws in what we love but don't let those flaws cloud our love for them. Knowing they have flaws doesn't make them bad, it means that we recognize these things were made by imperfect human beings, just like us.

[@thesithcynic3398]

All of your points could be summed up as false equivalencies, moral relativism, and just outright ignoring the plot. You assume people don’t exist outside of your echo chamber that you selectively let on to streams to browbeat people who disagree with you.

[@sonnypark124]

How can Max Payne 3 be poorly written and be a complete disrespect to the franchise if it was written by the guy who wrote almost the entirety of GTA. How is that possible SK.

[@s.k.4289]

Idk. Must be a great story then.

[@comicbookking3446]

“The Deadpool game is good because the writer of the Deadpool books is in the main writing”🤓. Also what did you think of Spider Dunk’s points on Spider-Man 2099 in ATSV ?

[@s.k.4289]

I didn’t agree with his arguments but I can see where he is coming from

[@jaxxpool9630]

So are you saying the Deadpool game is bad? I’m not using the “it’s good because of the comic writer” argument, just so you know.

[@comicbookking3446]

@@jaxxpool9630 in terms of story, yes. Deadpool was kind of flanderized into Memepool.

[@jaxxpool9630]

@@comicbookking3446 I’m a little on the fence on the whole Deadpool being turned into meme pool thing and if that hurts the game as its own thing. I also heard the Deadpool movies might also be a bad adaptation since they apparently don’t focus on his suicidal depression, which is only played as a joke in the second movie. Plus I’m more concerned on if the Deadpool game has any plot or character inconsistencies, which I can’t really remember and I will welcome anyone to point them out. But I won’t argue that game isn’t deep with its story or characters and just see as an inoffensive goofy adventure. Side Note: I honestly think Deadpool and Wolverine is even worse than the game at least in terms of plot, but I rather not make a debate over that here.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@jaxxpool9630Deadpool tried to off himself in Deadpool 2.

[@caseythedigger4526]

30 seconds in. I’ve never played Edge of Time, and I hated for Spider-Man 2 (not the movie, that one’s aight) and I already agree with everything

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@caseythedigger4526 you missed out.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

You can’t agree over somebody’s opinion on a game you haven’t haven’t played.

[@caseythedigger4526]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios true. But I can agree that the idea a creator can do no wrong because they created something good prior is a little silly

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

@@caseythedigger4526 Which is why I hate the Prequel Era Star Wars fans.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I mean the prequel fans were kids when they came out.

[@solivagen435]

Does this mean I should stop quoting the "If you don't get that, you don't get the first about being Spider-Man." now that I know the context behind it? 😞 4:21 *"I can never permit one innocent being to come to harm... because Spider-Man failed to act... and I swear that I never will."* This reminds me of Amazing Fantasy #1000, where a random crook had a habit of committing crimes when Avengers-level threats happened. So when a crisis strikes, The Avengers are too busy to notice. He would take part in small felons. But Spider-Man kept webbing him up for the cops. So he asked Spidey why he would never let him slide. Peter explained that no matter how small a crime he committed, it would *always* affect others. *"Until you stop doing what you're doing, I'm never going to stop finding you and putting you away... because to me, you're not just "some guy."* It's not that he chose to help Mary Jane; that's a given. It's a fact he chose the well-being of his life over everyone else. What separates *Edge of Time* from ATSV is that Miles didn't say screw the universe, and Jeff Morales was the only life that mattered. He said, *"I can do both."* His perseverance against Miguel's cynicism made that conflict a staple of what it truly means to be Spider-Man. If Peter, in that game, debated Miguel about finding a way to save MJ and the timeline, then we'd have a conflict where we'd root for Peter to find a solution. Instead, Miguel gives Peter a happy ending, leaving Peter looking selfish rather than altruistic.

[@mpguy24]

You can still quote it, as its still a nice line, just in context of the games story its bad

[@roughfoxy101]

I disagree with a good bit you say here, but that post about comparing the Miguels… what the fuck was that? That post was bs

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@roughfoxy101 what did you disagree with?

[@porassrivastava8242]

Yeah you're right, for the longest time I thought him selfishly saving MJ is Peter being impulsive and selfish like in the comics sometimes but now looking at this video I realise yeah it's never really shown as a bad moment or something wrong. I still love Peter David tho. May he get well soon.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

Well Incredibles 2 & Endgame were pretty good.

[@s.k.4289]

I haven’t seen Incredibles 2 in ages and barely remember it, but I can confidently say Endgame is deeply broken as a story.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@s.k.4289 I wouldn’t say it’s deeply Broken compared to modern MCU storylines excluding Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol.3 & Deadpool & Wolverine.

[@lukescrew1981]

Ahsoka has always been badly written ever since The Clone Wars

[@s.k.4289]

But David Filoni created the character

[@lukescrew1981]

@@s.k.4289 That doesn't mean much

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@lukescrew1981 How?

[@lukescrew1981]

@@spider-manunknown9193 How what?

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@lukescrew1981 How is Ahsoka badly written in Clone Wars?

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Yo S.K. You got more room for the next Disagreement Day.

[@s.k.4289]

Absolutely

[@K0d4sTiger]

miguel o hara racist meme is sooooooo dogshit bro 😭😭😭

[@zefem]

Sk slay

[@bushmanstudios2490]

I’m so glad I never played edge of time as a kid because my nostalgia blind ass would have made way more stupid arguments then these people 💀

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@bushmanstudios2490 oh shut up. I’ve made better arguments defending the game than anyone in the video because I atleast don’t tell people to off themselves.

[@malkolmxrodriguez7527]

@@bushmanstudios2490 if you actually knew why people like this game, you would know that it’s has to do with a lot more than just childhood nostalgia

[@bushmanstudios2490]

@@malkolmxrodriguez7527 I’m not saying that’s the only reason why people like or play this game,and s.k. Makes it clear in his video,I’m just saying that people make a lot of stupid arguments simply because of nostalgia.

[@bushmanstudios2490]

@@spider-manunknown9193 dude I’m not saying people can’t make good arguments against this vids points,I’m just saying that a lot of people do make bad points because of nostalgia

[@matthodgkinson2003]

1:28 I hope that whole argument gets released at some point, would really like to see that

[@spider-manunknown9193]

19:09 well actually it is well written & so is the prequel trilogy. ☝🏼😅

[@ScaleroftheSentry]

19:42 W analogy

[@billyboleson2830]

19:04 holy shit thank you! People also tend to forget that writing isn’t a one man show, dark knight returns was also good cause Denny o Neil was there helping Miller meanwhile for all star Batman mr Neil wasn’t there anymore

[@HYDEinallcaps]

Can you redo this review, but speak human instead of c/u/c/k/c/h/a/n/n/e/r?