The CRAZY NFL BROADCASTING CONTROVERSY Between NBC and CBS (1983)

During week 7 of the 1983 NFL season, in an effort to avoid going up against game 5 of the 1983 World Series between the Baltimore Orioles and Philadelphia Phillies, CBS made a broadcasting decision in the Tampa market that infuriated so many people, including executives at NBC, that the NFL had to step in and demand that CBS change its broadcasting plans. This is the story behind the controversy and the bitter feud between the two networks
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[@palaceofwisdom9448]

As a fan living in Chicago, the rule that always bothered me was when the Bears had the later game, they would cut off the end of the early game to go to it. So it was like "Thanks for spending 3+ hours watching an exciting game that's still in the balance, now watch this steaming mess instead of the ending."

[@fjr70ify]

...and they always said as they left, "We'll keep you fully posted..."

[@scottybbadd]

I was watching the early game on Paramount+, but the CBS late game involved the Cowboys. So the live stream on Paramount+ switched to the Cowboys game. Well, the early game was rather competitive, and I wanted to see the end of it. Well, there was a work around. Yahoo! Sports also streamed games. The early game was still streaming there. I switched to the early game on my phone, while the Cowboys game aired on Paramount+.. Problem solved.

[@kpk33x]

We were on a family trip to Disney when Game 5 of the '83 WS occurred, I told my dad I wished I was there. He said don't worry, the Orioles make it every few years, we'll go next time. I am now closing in on 50, still waiting for next time.

[@ezsmith3765]

Haha your dad gave you the RUN AROUND

[@kpk33x]

@@ezsmith3765 I know! And now approaching 80 and living in FL he said at the holidays now he guesses we won't ever go

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

What is forgotten about the 1983 Tampa Bay Buccaneers is that star quarterback Doug Williams spent the season holding out for a new contract. Also he lost his wife to cancer. Williams resumed his pro football career in the USFL in 1984. When the league disbanded in 1986, the Washington Redskins signed Williams as a free agent, and in 1987, Williams passed the Redskins to a Super Bowl Championship, the first black quarterback to do it.

[@americangiant1003]

Good point Armory. Jag Is usually very good in his narration with facts such as this. Did not know about the Williams hold out as no doubt, a big reason for the Bucs making the playoffs the season before during the strike shortened ‘82 season to being awful here in ‘83.

[@marcus813]

Not coincidentally, that was the start of one of the worst stretches in major pro sports history. The Bucs wouldn't post a single-figure loss season again until 1995 and even then, incoming owner Malcolm Glazer and his folks still got rid of head coach Sam Wyche ("5 dash 2" became "7 dash 9") after the season finale, an ugly loss at home against the surging Lions.

[@darreljones8645]

Ironically, the Redskins had also been the most pro-segregation team in the NFL back in the 1950's, refusing to let any black players on the team. This led to TV announcers saying things like Jim Brown, in games against Washington, "integrating Washington's end zone" when scoring a touchdown.

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

@@darreljones8645 That's only because owner George Preston Marshall had a radio-TV network beaming games to the South, and he feared integrating the squad would hurt his audience there. By the time he opened his palatial new home in the new D.C (later RFK) Stadium in 1961, the federal government ordered Marshall to open the locker room to black players on the team, or he'd face serious consequences. In 1962, he did.

[@mgb4692]

He also forgot that Aaron Rodgers missed most of the 2017 season with a broken collarbone when mentioning the badness of the Packers in the other Bucs vid

[@cameronturner1865]

Watching one of your videos like this makes me so happy that blackout rules are a thing of the past! Then I remember there are sports still stuck in the 20th century. But, hey, at least next Wednesday I will get to see my Dallas Stars play live from my couch in Tulsa for a fourth time this season. Don’t even get me started on baseball lol. Oklahoma has blackouts for five teams (Colorado, Kansas City, St Louis, Texas, Houston) and we have zero in our state.

[@danw2112]

0-6 Buccaneers vs. 1-5 Cardinals TANK BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Not_Brandino]

Cue the round ball rock

[@mjwatts1983]

@@Not_Brandino (in 1983) what’s round ball rock…?

[@efinden]

I didn’t know there was no blackout rule anymore. It was tough being a Seahawks fan back in the 90’s. I was a teen and didn’t have any way to buy tickets to the game so I had to listen to my favorite team in the radio and imagine what was going on. Thanks for the videos

[@chrisguardiano6143]

The reason why there is no blackout rule anymore is because of things like NFL RedZone, Sunday Ticket and streaming services like Sling in which you can watch every or at least close to every game that take place on Sunday. The NFL and streaming services realized pretty early on in their existence that they could make more money and get more subscribers if they allowed every game to be made available and charge fans for a subscription. Because the NFL was so successful with the RedZone & Sunday Ticket, other leagues adopted similar packages and pretty much eliminated the blackout rule. The only exception to that is in MLB in which a large portion of nationally televised games on ESPN, MLB Network or TBS cannot be seen in the markets of the two teams that are playing (unless one of the teams is the Toronto Blue Jays) but can seen everywhere else due to the local regional sports networks not wanting to lose viewership in the local market because the game is being aired on national TV.

[@efinden]

@@chrisguardiano6143 that makes sense but I realized when I had Sunday ticket I couldn’t get the Seahawks game because they didn’t allow local games on the ticket. That was bogus because I had the app on my phone and was planning on watching the game at work on my phone.

[@shackdaddy7106]

Given the state of baseball now versus football. It would be wise for MLB not to play any playoff games on Sunday starting this year.

[@mgb4692]

Astros/Red Sox vs Brady/Mahomes in 2018 should pretty much concur with that

[@TheStevehuff]

Well there could be other factors that have to be considered also.

[@shackdaddy7106]

@@TheStevehuff Like what?

[@darreljones8645]

Interesting trivia about that World Series: It was the last time, to date., the Orioles played in the Fall Classic. It was also the only Series appearance for second-season player Cal Ripken Jr.

[@matthewdaley746]

Yeah, they had, mad skills, and, lousy luck, from, 1966-1983, they had, eight, Playoff, appearances, six, Pennants, and, three, World Series, they went, 3-3, and, their era of dominance, officially, ended, with, the unexpected trades of, John Shelby, and, World Series, MVP, Rick Dempsey, to the, Eventual-World Series, Champion, Dodgers, in, 1988.

[@bobma6342]

The last World Series for Jim Palmer

[@matthewdaley746]

​​​@@bobma6342Another, victorious, one, additionally.

[@bobma6342]

@@matthewdaley746 Yep. I remember when he said that if it wasn't for Roberto Clemente he'd have two more World Series rings

[@matthewdaley746]

@@bobma6342 Plus, bizarre, meltdowns, unquestionably.

[@ricknibert6417]

Here's one. In 1988 the Browns sold out an interconference game at 1 PM on CBS forcing NBC to reschedule an early game for 4 PM (Jets vs. Dolphins).

[@WaltGekko]

Jets-Dolphins would likely have been at 4:00 anyway because the Giants were likely at 1:00 PM. Back then, even if both were on the road the NFL rarely had the Jets and Giants playing simultaneously.

[@WaltGekko]

Are you sure it was 1988? I actually went on pro-football reference and the week Jets-Dolphins was at 4:00, the Browns were in Phoenix playing the then-Phoenix Cardinals (in the first year there after being in St. Louis from 1960-'87), and the other Jets-Dolphins game in The Meadowlands was a 1:00 PM game (Giants were in New Orleans playing the Saints on Sunday Night Football on ESPN).

[@ricknibert6417]

Maybe it wasn't the Jets but I do know it was a Dolphins home game that was originally scheduled for 1 PM according to one source. I think the Browns hosted the Cowboys the week in question.

[@ricknibert6417]

The date was 10/16/88. Cleveland hosted Philadelphia. NBC did not have a 4PM game at first but moved the Chargers-Dolphins game from 1PM. The network also had the World Series that year and may have planned on airing game 2 in the afternoon (Orel Hershisher taking the mound at 1PM local time).

[@WaltGekko]

@@ricknibert6417 Actually, World Series Game 2 was always a night game. The last day game was a year earlier in Game 6. NBC actually had two games at 4:00: The aforementioned Chargers-Dolphins and Seahawks-Saints. Rams-49ers was CBS's primary doubleheader game. Giants were at 1:00 and the Jets were actually in Buffalo for Monday Night Football.

[@GolfhausYT]

I come and go as a sports fan, but I will always - ALWAYS - love "the sport of the business of sport." The absolutely arcane, byzantine rules of the NFL broadcasting contracts pre-Sunday Ticket have fascinated me long after they became mostly irrelevant. It's probably apocryphal, but I seem to recall a hypothetical scenario in which a metro area that was surrounded by football teams that called it their own (probably central New York or Pennsylvania) could have every football game on Sunday legislated off the air for one reason or another, leaving them with nothing to watch. I don't know how true that was, but the fact I don't know for certain it isn't is what fascinates me.

[@pikupanndropof7339]

I'm gonna say Touchdown. It looked like from the angle he was bringing the ball forward and crossed the goal line then fumbled. Announcers will repeatedly say once the ball crosses the front of the goal line, the play is over.

[@leogetz3570]

yeah, it looked clean to me. Not sure why he made a big deal about it

[@stephenholloway6893]

This maybe a football channel but the phrase you used in the thumbnail was also said 20 years ago by Benny Parsons in the 2002 Daytona 500, which was the first Daytona 500 NBC did. When Sterling Marlin under the red flag tried to fix his car, which was against the rules.

[@mgb4692]

You mean Sterling "What I tried to do to Dale Earnhardt in 1996 I finished almost five years later" Marlin broke rules in a race he shouldn't even have been in? GET OUT

[@hughjaass3787]

This is great! I was a little kid at this Bucs n Cards game!! The only game I went to that year. 1983.

[@anthony0358]

oh wow this is an excellent video! I live in New York City. We only got the double header game if BOTH the Jets and Giants were not playing at home on Sundays. We rarely got the doubleheader games. Also the Jets and Giants NEVER played at the same time. I remember watching that World Series game 5. Starting in 1985 the World Series games moved to primetime. Also excellent point about the NFL and MLB having an obsession with not competing against each other. For many years MLB aired game 5 of the (LCS starting in 1985) during the afternoon to avoid Monday night football. Thank you for always doing such a great job with these videos

[@stevensmith7439]

To that point, MLB would not nationally televise Game 2 of one of its League Championships every year prior to 1976 (since they didn’t play at night before then), since NBC also had NFL broadcast rights on Sundays.

[@americangiant1003]

@@stevensmith7439 So what happened before 1976 with the MLB LCS playoff game? Was only 1 shown regionally coast/coast? Or the other option only seen with the 2 local MLB tv affiliates (either NBC or the team’s regular season broadcasters)on Sundays between 1969-mid 1970s? By ‘69, MLB already really needed a 2nd partner such as ABC for that purpose. Thanks Steve for that historic Sports TV info I did not know about. 😯

[@westholmes2001]

The 1987 World Series Game 6 was the last World Series game to be played in the daytime. The game started at 4:00 EST due to the Vikings needing the Metrodome for their game Sunday. However, the Twins won, causing the Vikings to move their game to Monday night due to the Twins needing the Metrodome for Game 7.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@westholmes2001 As posted, before, WORST, CHAMPION, EVER, I will, ALWAYS, maintain.

[@americangiant1003]

@@matthewdaley746 Actually disagree. I would pick either the ‘88 Dodgers, ‘90 Reds, 06 Cardinals as worst WS Champions in MLB history since at least after WW2.

[@jeffreybaker100]

Things have sure changed since 1983. AFC games and NFC games can be on either CBS or FOX. I've seen Bills at Dolphins in week 2 on FOX versus CBS

[@cattibingo]

It really seems like the main customer of the nfl is not the fans. They don't give a shit about upsetting the fans & maybe losing ticket/merch sales. The main goal is the tv money.

[@eugenedenbrook322]

And what drives that are the "casuals," degenerate gamblers, and fantasy football folk. None of these, on it's own, is necessarily a problem (well, unless your husband is gambling the mortgage money). But combined, they're like an evil Voltron. They care less about their dedicated fan base, thinking the real money is to be bilked from people who have more time & money than families. Problem is, the target audience is entertained by low brow tripe, have shifting values, and therefore the product is constantly watered down for their benefit.

[@matthewdaley746]

Corporate capitalism at its very, worst.

[@matthewdaley746]

@@eugenedenbrook322 Worse, it's, also, infamous Vehicle Voltron.

[@2011cardsfan]

Another one of interest that you may want to look into. In 1984(the last year the World Series was played in the daytime on both Saturday and Sunday/1987 they did play a day game on Saturday) NBC had the Series and also at the same time had the Steelers/49ers game. The football game was only shown to the San Fran and Pittsburgh areas and caused both NBC affiliates to choose what game to air on the NBC affiliate and what to punt to another station.

[@matthewdaley746]

A terrible call in that Game, was, the, only, thing preventing a perfect season, that, was, the, greatest, team that nobody remembers, and, Jerry Rice, was, still a year away.

[@mgb4692]

It was a CBS doubleheader (Cowboys/Redskins), so it would only have been a regional telecast anyway. However five years later the reverse happened as more markets got the NFL game on NBC as opposed to the ALCS (Canseco bomb).

[@matthewdaley746]

​@mgb4692 Athletic, integrity, personified, not.

[@WaltGekko]

@@mgb4692 And that Cowboys-Redskins game where it aired opposite Game 5 of the World Series beat it handily except in San Diego, Detroit (the two markets in that World Series) and New York (which has always been a baseball town first even with the NFL as big as it is now). That, along with the growth of college football after the Supreme Court ruled in 1984 that the NCAA's monopoly on CFB broadcasts was illegal led to every World Series game after that being at night (except for Game 6 in 1987), which also slowly ushered in the mentality, especially with those under 45 now that championship events MUST be at night to be relevant (in fact, there has NOT been a game in the championship rounds in ANY of the four major pro sports since Game 1 of the 1991 NBA FINALS that has started before 6:00 PM Eastern Time).

[@matthewdaley746]

@@WaltGekko 1987 Twins, a triumph of mediocrity.

[@Raving]

Seriously KZbin? An ad every minute as fifteen seconds. You can't watch a video with this crap. Half way through I had no idea what this video was about anymore.

[@jamesage24]

If you watch on your phone, tap to play video, immediately fast forward all the to the end, then replay the video.

[@mgb4692]

I'd have had to side with CBS here. In what universe would you put the Eagles on at the same as the Phillies (fighting for their lives)? Plus the eventual AFCCG would be much better than the defending one, so hardly a "settle for" game. Fun fact: This was Howard Cosell's last World Series game, as ABC took him off of their baseball coverage shortly before the I-70 series when I Never Played The Game came out

[@chrisguardiano6143]

In fact, when it came to Howard Cosell, it was one of the last times he would be working for ABC as two months after the World Series, he would leave the MNF booth (to be replaced by Al Michaels for the 1984 season) and he only did commentary for boxing during the 1984 Olympics which turned out to be his final event for ABC.

[@Musicradio77Network]

WCBS-TV (channel 2) in New York City did aired the Cardinals/Buccaneers game at 4PM which was after the Giants/Chefs game at 1PM. WNBC-TV (channel 4) at the time had the 1983 World Series while the Jets/Dolphins game was either at 1PM or 4PM.

[@jeffstirl2670]

I love this channel! Have you ever thought about doing a video on the 2001 XFL game between the LA Xtreme and the Chicago Enforcers?

[@nonamelegend_vapor]

What basically amounts to NFL vaporwave + stories behind NFL trivia deep cuts = excellence

[@jackspickphone6656]

Great job recounting this.

[@osu4mul8r]

I spent 20 years living in NFL No-Man’s-Land of eastern NC. We were 250 miles from Charlotte and 300 miles from DC and we were considered in the home markets of both. 🖕🏻😀🖕🏻

[@scottybbadd]

The Cowboys vs Vikings game (AKA The Cooper Rush game) was a classic.

[@scottybbadd]

JG9, you being a Jags fan, im surprised that you didn't mention a scrawl before a Jags road game that the J'ville CBS affiliate apologize for being contractually obligated to air Jags road games.

[@edwardburek1717]

Damn, NFL fans in Tampa had it tough. If I read this right, the Bucs were so terrible in the 80's and early 90's, most of their so-called sell-out games had befuddled British tourists filling the seats (and that's how I got introduced to the NFL, along with Channel 4's coverage). And since you asked - Kim Bokamper's touchdown was legal, it looks to me that he had control of the ball as he crossed the goal line.

[@marcus813]

Lifelong Tampa Bay resident here. That Cardinals/Buccaneers game would've also been blacked out in the Orlando/Daytona/Melbourne DMA/TV market per secondary market rules (the Bucs effectively claimed all of Central Fla. by selecting Orlando/Daytona/Melbourne as a secondary market), so as part of that rule, all their away games had to air throughout the I-4 Corridor. As for CBS' decision once the blackout everyone saw coming became official, it's clear that CBS didn't know Tampa Bay very well outside the Bucs. The Dolphins were popular here then and still are today. Back then, legacy NBC affiliate WXFL (reclaimed its WFLA-TV calls after an FCC rule change) loved airing Fins games as a result. How CBS thought that 49ers/Saints would grab eyes here instead of Fins/Jets makes no sense to me.

[@targettoad691]

It was more about screwing over NBC than actually getting eyes from Tampa to watch CBS.

[@marcus813]

@@targettoad691 That's why NBC checked CBS after the initial decision came to light. NBC didn't have to be so accommodating to CBS when the latter had US Open tennis in those days, but NBC accommodated CBS in those instances anyway. CBS had no reason to do WXFL dirty like that.

[@ravenheaven2425]

I appreciate you showing Eddie Murray hitting a HE. I remember my Orioles winning the 1983 World Series fondly. I had no idea that it caused some controversy with the NFL

[@kessel12]

I thought Bokamper crossed the goal line, then dropped the ball.

[@stevevernon1978]

about halfway thru i was yelling back thru time to NBC and their Tampa station to "use the rules AGAINST them(CBS)!! Buy all the empty seats for the Bucs and FORCE CBS to show the home game, opposite the WS!!"

[@CTubeMan]

Nice thought, but the Bucs were playing at 1. This scenario would mean NBC would be opposing the World Series with a Raiders-Seahawks game that would not draw as much interest in the Tampa market.

[@mgb4692]

Two teams that beat/would beat Tampa's other team, no wonder it was less attractive

[@stevevernon1978]

@@CTubeMan oops i missed that part

[@steviepusch2166]

Wasnt there a similar issue for the chi was game back in 2001 where the game time got flipped because cbs had the packers in the late window?

[@Salvatore1268]

There was a Monday night near disaster regarding denver- new england 1980 with regards to tickets sales

[@raymondswenson5529]

So they didn't want to go up against baseball? That's no problem nowadays.

[@mlbjmaur]

😔😔

[@brianoneill7186]

That changed mostly because the Sunday afternoon World Series games in '83 and particularly in '84 got significantly lower ratings. Then, MLB expanded the playoffs to best of 7, and the World Series had games 1, 2, 6, and 7 for weekend prime time.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@brianoneill7186 Ironically, that happened, because, the 1984 Tigers, were, A, Machine, a, longer, Playoff, Series, wouldn't have mattered, as a result, the Royals would overcome a, 3-1, deficit, (twice), to, win, their, first, World Series.

[@bobscott2429]

@@matthewdaley746 A 35-5 start certainly helped, plus the "Tiges" (as Ernie Harwell, one of my favorite announcers of all time, would call them) nearly swept the postseason, losing only WS Game 2 (Kurt Bevacqua HR). And, yes, the Royals were beneficiaries of the expanded playoffs in '85.

[@brianoneill7186]

@@matthewdaley746 If only they'd lenthened the playoffs for the '84 Cubs, and shortened them for the '85 Blue Jays.🤪

[@josephoshea1442]

This game pales in comparison to Super Bowl I, which BOTH NBC and CBS broadcast. Maddeningly, NEITHER network bothered to save their tape of the game, making a full game film of this pioneering contest, the "Holy Grail" of sports cinema.

[@damienmensinger1439]

Bokamper crossed the line before he fumbled. I think

[@charleswilliamsjr]

As a New Orleans saints fan, if anybody lives in new orleans market didnt show doubleheader when the team was at home back on the 1980's now Monroe Louisiana market that is a different story!

[@brianarbenz1329]

I feel sorry for the Tampa Bay affiliate station. Fans can be so full of steam and short of information.

[@fromthehaven94]

Living in Columbus, I usually expect to see either a Bengals or Browns game on Sunday afternoon, unless one or both teams play in primetime. The Browns had a Thursday night game against the Steelers in Week 11 of 2019. So, when the Bengals visited the Oakland Raiders in a second half doubleheader game in Week 11, I should have had no worries. But the rematch of Super Bowl 52, the Patriots against the Eagles, was the main doubleheader game and was forced upon Columbus viewers over a Bengals game which should have been a given if the Steelers/Browns game weren't played on Sunday afternoon.

[@americangiant1003]

As a non Ohio resident Christopher, Columbus, an secondary market officially for either the Bengals or Browns? I think Ohio is one of the few not to have a secondary market for a NFL team.

[@fromthehaven94]

@@americangiant1003 Columbus is far enough outside both Cincinnati and Cleveland, I think that's what I was trying to get at. If I remember, the zone was 75 miles. The local Fox station almost always airs the single game (usually at 4pm) if they can avoid airing opposite a Browns or Bengals game.

[@TimmyTickle]

@@fromthehaven94 So basically, Fox in Columbus shows whatever game Buck and Aikman are doing that week?

[@fromthehaven94]

@@TimmyTickle Essentially, we get a random NFC West game when a Browns/Bengals game is on at 1pm on CBS.

[@bobscott2429]

@@americangiant1003 I see what you did there.

[@paulanderson6634]

Possible topic for a future video here as the footage shown of the Dolphins-Jets game may have been the only game in Shea Stadium history where the field wasn't all mud or dirt. Rare sighting.

[@markbrian7179]

The Buccaneers didn't have Doug Williams in 1983. He signed with the USFL. That's why they were terrible because the Buccaneers were paying Him less than most backups in the NFL.

[@Tubewings]

When did Doug Williams become God?

[@matthewdaley746]

Hugh Culverhouse annihilates everything.

[@matthewdaley746]

​​​​@@Tubewings Since, he had a legendary, Second Quarter, in, SB 22, the fact that, historical implications aside, his career, was, about as, totally, forgettable as Mark Rypien's, truly, appears to have, totally, gone out of the window.

[@Rockhound6165]

@@Tubewings he was in Tampa. Had them on the doorstep of the Super Bowl and took them to the playoffs 3 times in 4 seasons. No coincidence they tanked after he left.

[@Rockhound6165]

@@matthewdaley746 JG9 needs to do a video how Tampa blew getting Bo Jackson because they lied.

[@DesperadoTheTexasScratcher]

Refs did not get it wrong. The plain was crossed before fumbling. Touchdown!

[@bakerfsu]

Only Baltimore had blue laws that forced them and the Orioles to start at 2. Central time zone games started at 2 by choice until 1981.

[@markgraham2312]

At 10:36 Bokamper is clearly across the goal line and in possession of the football. Also, as a side note, for the Latest Game Every Played in the NFL, you SAID that for the Raiders-Chargers game in Oakland, they couldn't swap because of logistical complexities, BUT in the example here you SAID that swapping sites between the Cowboys and Eagles was no big deal. A bit of inconsistent reasoning.

[@fumedrummer]

You might consider doing a video about the rules for TV coverage now and include what is shown in markets that don't have a home team. I never understood why which games are shown in my market (Buffalo) since the blackout rules were lifted. Why can't the 1:00 and 4:00 games be shown by both networks during a Bills bye week and let the viewers decide on what to watch. Why aren't both networks (or all networks, now that some games are on the NFL Channel and on streaming services) have double headers?

[@marquan1976]

0:19 If possible, can someone explain the reasoning behind the 2pm eastern kickoff? I watch older games here on YT and notice games (mostly Baltimore Colts home games) starting at 2pm EST while others were at 1pm or 4pm.

[@kyle1910]

I'll start with 1970, even though it goes back much earlier. Back then games in the Eastern Time Zone started at 1pm Eastern. Games in the Central Time Zone started at 2pm Eastern (1pm local). Games in the Mountain or Pacific Time Zone started at 4pm Eastern (2pm local for Denver and 1pm local for the West Coast). There were a few exceptions. The state of Maryland had a Sunday blue law stipulating that Baltimore Colts and Orioles home games on Sundays could not start even one minute earlier than 2pm Eastern. They didn't want those games to conflict with Marylanders going to church on Sundays. Another exception was, of course, when select games in the Eastern or Central Time Zone were chosen to be feature doubleheader games, thus getting a 4pm Eastern Time start. Also on occasion a game in the Eastern or Central Time Zone would get a 4pm Eastern start even if it wasn't a feature DH game, reasons for which I am not familiar, but I'm sure there are plausible reasons. Then as the 70s wore on a handful of games in the Central Time Zone each season got 1pm Eastern starts (12pm local). Those instances increases to where by 1980 only a few Central Time Zone games started at 2pm Eastern. Thrn in 1982 the league entirely eliminated 2pm Eastern starts, *with the exception of Baltimore Colts games*, because the Maryland Sunday blue law was still in effect and wasn't rescinded until after the Colts moved to Indianapolis. One last minor exception: in the early 70s (and perhaps before then) Detroit Lions home games in the very early part of the season started at 2pm, even though Detroit is in the Eastern Time Zone. Those home games then started at 1pm later in the season.

[@CTubeMan]

Memorial Stadium in Baltimore was located in a neighborhood with houses and churches nearby.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@kyle1910 lions games started at 2 pm for gb. chi., and minn. 1 pm central time zone. And boys always start at noon cst.

[@kyle1910]

@@stevenbauer4799 I got my info from the 506 Forums site. Through 1972 Lions Sunday home games started at 2pm Eastern in September and October then were 1pm Eastern starts in November and December. The lone exception in the early 70s was Week 2 of 1972, where their home game vs MIN was the feature DH game, thus it got a 4pm Eastern start.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@kyle1910 I don't recall that it was just a little before my time. But i figured with three common opponents in the ctz that was why. or a game vs. cards or boys as well.

[@altfactor]

In recent years, all World Series games have been played at night. It's true that in the early years of NBC's "NFL Sunday Night Football", there was no Sunday night game on the Sunday night when the World Series was being played. If a World Series game is ever played again in the afternoon, it likely would be on a Saturday. I doubt the NFL would ever agree to have CBS and Fox to each air just one game on World Series weekend, with every Sunday NFL matinee game starting at 1:05 P.M. EDT, clearing the deck for Fox to carry a World Series game at 4:25 P.M. EDT. The NBC Sunday night game would (barring extra innings or a rain delay) start well after baseball ended.

[@penguinsfan251]

Things changed. Jerry Jones led the move of the NFC to Fox. NBC still had the AFC until 1997. CBS was even outbid for the NHL by Fox. The NFL pretty much dictates what games are broadcast where. In Harrisburg, the NFL considers it to be part of the Ravens market even though the ratings for the Steelers are much better. Youngstown carried the Steelers until Kosar signed with the Browns. Now they are primarily Browns stations. Wheeling/Steubenville and Altoona/Johnstown belong to the Steelers. Erie, however, does not. While Battimore did not have a team, the Lancaster, PA NBC station carried the Steelers. Back in 1994, when the Steelers and Browns were playing for the AFC Central championship, every TV station from Toledo to Wilkes Barre had a crew at Three Rivers. You could see crews from Channels 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, 11, 12, 13, 21, 22, 24, 27 and 33 and I am missing a few.

[@nightsurvivor3673]

I think that plays a touchdown, it looks like he's just rolling the ball in his hands before he tosses it well into the endzone

[@Coyotek4]

All in all, a sh***y day for Philadelphia sports. (Like most days, actually.)

[@bobma6342]

@ 10:36....a TD, no question. The football doesn't slip away until after he crosses the goal line.

[@ericthomas917]

All monoplies should be outlowed. This includes the NFL.

[@jerseyfla]

As you see by my channel logo, I know a bit about WFLA Channel 8 and the Tampa-St. Pete TV market being from the area. Channel 8 (then WXFL from 1983-1989) was a distant 2nd (sometimes 3rd) to CBS (now Fox owned) WTVT Channel 13 in overall viewers in the market and actually flirted with switching affiliations from NBC to ABC in the early 80s due to NBC’s crappy network ratings. NBC needed WXFL to show the Dolphins to not possibly lose them as an affiliate and WXFL needed that game to not lose more viewers/ratings to market giant WTVT at 1pm and then to close ABC rival WTSP (now a CBS affiliate) at 4pm. Interesting fact and something you could do a future video on. 4 years later, WXFL’s evening sports anchor Gayle Sierens would become the first female play by play announcer in NFL history. Two years before that she was promoted from sports to main co-anchor. The station refused to show the game she called in 1987 due to fear of her being so good that the network would try to keep her. She never wanted to leave as she was loyal to her hometown of Tampa.

[@mgb4692]

Wonder if she'd have been bumped up the next year with all the top announcers in Seoul for two weeks.

[@marcus813]

I didn't know what's once again WFLA-TV thought about ditching NBC back then. I couldn't imagine how the TV landscape here would look if the station switched to ABC. I do know that ABC nearly left WTSP behind at one point due to the station being all but unviewable in our southern counties. That's why WWSB signed on in Sarasota.

[@jerseyfla]

@@marcus813 It was probably 1980 or 1981 when ABC was the #1 network at the time and NBC was dead last under Fred Silverman and WFLA was losing ground to WTSP for 2nd in the market ratings. Media General (WFLA’s owner) courted ABC and they said no because WTSP was a rising ABC affiliate in the market with Don Harrison anchoring.

[@jerseyfla]

@@mgb4692 She was allowed to host NFL Live with Len Berman for 3 weeks during the Seoul Olympics. That was her last network and sports assignment from what I know.

[@micmac99]

@@jerseyfla Don Harrison who would later be one of the nationally-known legends of CNN Headline News.

[@johnnieneal6077]

Only Reason why the 1983 tampa buccaneers was bad because they let Doug Williams walk out the door as a Steelers fan I believe to this date if 1983 buccaneers had Doug Williams they might been the best team in nfl in 1983 they lost so might games because of quarterback play and kicker look up 83 buccaneers games with out Doug Williams and look at 1982 games with Williams you will see the Difference

[@DaCoachMLHS]

Bokamper JUST crossed the goal line before fumbling.

[@plannein]

That play is clearly a touchdown. Why would it be a fumble and a touchback? He's like 3 yards into the end zone before the ball ever leaves his hands

[@KittyPurrfect100]

The NFL can flex games into MNF. Thursday night football is a bad idea but Amazon Prime owns the rights to that. The NFL will do anything to get the most viewers to watch a regular season game cross flexed from Fox at 1 to CBS at 4:25 between 2 nfc teams with playoff implications or move it to NBC in prime time. Money talks. Everybody wins. Need doubleheaders on both networks every week. There is a way to do that. College football has games on at the same time at 3:30 on different networks and 8 also. I don’t think anybody has a problem with that. NFL should have Monday night doubleheaders more often then if not on Sunday afternoons on both networks.

[@HowardSalwasser]

You should do a video about what happened in the Twin Cities later that year where the tables were reversed.

[@MichaelPiz]

It was a touchdown.

[@pfh_golf]

Nfl should just air double headers on FOX and CBS

[@CTubeMan]

1. Touchdown at 10:22. 2. In “The Game Behind the Game” Terry O’Neil talked about having to compete with the deciding Game 5 of the 1981 NLCS between the Dodgers and Expos in Montreal while he was at CBS. The game was set to start around 4 ET, and O’Neil anticipated the ratings for that game would whup the ratings of CBS’s NFL games at that time. That is, until he saw it was snowing in Montreal, and the game had to be postponed until the next day. That led to a ratings win for CBS and the day known as Blue Monday for Expos fans. 3. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another Cowboys game that had to be moved because of baseball in 2001.

[@matthewdaley746]

Speaking of which, Expos, "fans," can whine until they're blue in the face, (pun, totally, intended), they tried to, win, that Game, 1-0, and, only, even reached the, Playoffs, because, of fluky circumstances, their subsequent treatment of Rick Monday, was, indefensible, and, the city, never, should have had a team in the, first, place, given their indifference towards the sport.

[@CTubeMan]

@@matthewdaley746 The Expos fans weren’t the problem, it was largely the ownership after Charles Bronfman sold the team.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@CTubeMan There, were, a lot of problems, but, in the, end, the, better, team, won, in 1981, and, the Nats, won, in 2019, so, everything worked out.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@matthewdaley746'monday, monday...' spos got their revenge on dodgers. In '19 nlcs as nats.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@CTubeMan that p0 s#it laurie and selig both conspired to kill the 'spos.

[@stevepaljusevic3724]

and also dont forget NFL RedZone where almost every game is show

[@manuginobilisbaldspot424]

Pretty sure the Raiders/Seahawks and Niners/Saints were both better games...

[@glennstarkey7087]

I remember the giants at 1 jets at 4 era it does hold water even today as its considered still mildly permissible to follow both clubs owing to decades of this policy (i don't think it truly ended until 2012) Shared stadium shared TV rights and the jets so bad NBC used a quasi rsn team of Joe Namath and Marty Glickman lol

[@americangiant1003]

Also growing up in the NYC/NJ area, I also remember Joe Namath being the semi regular Jets Color Commentator/Analyst especially home games at both Shea (when i first started watching the NFL around this time in 1983 as a then young Pre Teen) and later the Meadowlands. First it was Marty Glickman at the end of his HOF Broadcasting career. Then with Marv Albert as well(after Namath briefly left NBC for a short stint at Monday Night Football before being fired during Joe’s sad period of his alcoholism addiction.) Plus for several seasons in the Mid/Late ‘80s, I remember the Madden/Summerall team on CBS regularly covering the Football Giants as well. So kind of unique that in the mid/late ‘80s. both NYC area NFL clubs had as what Glenn said “Quasi” RSN type regular broadcasters on their teams. I think the only other time that happened with “quasi” regular broadcasters on NFL regular season was with CBS in the mid/late 60s pre merger. That example of a regular broadcasters was HOF Announcer Ray Scott mostly calling either most Packer or Viking home games from the Midwest in that era. Looks like that period of Quasi use of regional TV announcers for Regular Season games in the NFL will provide never happen again.

[@TimmyTickle]

@@americangiant1003 The most recent examples of quasi RSNs I can remember: *Don Criqui and Beasley Reece called almost every Jaguars game for NBC during their inaugural season in 1995 *Pat Summerall and Brian Baldinger called almost every Cowboys game for Fox in 2002 *Don Criqui (again) and Steve Tasker called almost every Bills game for CBS in throughout the early 2000s

[@mgb4692]

During Mike Breen's short tenure at FOX he did Giants games, as well as one Jet game--when they played each other. So remember that 25+ years later when he and Kevin Harlan are both legends and we have Joe Buck😡

[@chrisguardiano6143]

There is a good chance that there will be another broadcasting controversy this upcoming season between Fox, FIFA (the governing body of soccer) & the NFL due to the World Cup taking in November/December in Qatar. Before I go further, I should point out that Fox has the English language rights to the World Cup in the US. The reason why there might be controversy is because in the agreement between Fox & FIFA, Fox has to show at least 6-7 games from the World Cup (including the Final) on network TV & 2-3 of those have to be on weekend days. Also Fox cannot bump the games to FS1 just because there is an NFL game happening. There might be a situation in which a 1 PM ET NFL game that is supposed to air on Fox is joined in progress (meaning fans miss the start of the game unless they have the RedZone) due to a World Cup game running long especially in the knockout stages in which there is 30 minutes of extra time & penalty kicks to decide tied games. This scenario is only likely to happen if FIFA decides to go with the same format they have used since 1998 in determining kick off times for World Cup games in which games are staggered throughout the morning & early afternoon. We won't know until April when the draw is made for the World Cup & kick off times are announced if this controversy is actually going to happen.

[@mgb4692]

It'll happen at least twice: Once in Thanksgiving Day as they'll run World Cup against X vs Lions on CBS, and for the next they'll simply do what CBS did with the Masters in 2020 (and NBC back in the day with the Ryder Cup) and have a handful of single games at 4:05. Not a hard fix.

[@pronkb000]

Definitely looked like Bokamper broke the plane to me.

[@bobscott2429]

I second that. He lost possession after he broke the plane. Not even close.

[@stevenbauer4799]

ravens had to start '13 season as defending s b champ on road because of conflict with o's/w sox game at camden yards. Their gift for going on the road instead of hosting prime time opener? Peyton throws like seven td passes as bronco rout them.

[@matthewdaley746]

Plus, Joe Flacco's ruinous contract, at least, they would cash in, terrific.

[@fromthehaven94]

That was pure selfishness on the part of the Orioles. If I remember correctly, a celebration of a Jewish holiday was supposedly the impediment.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@fromthehaven94 Which makes even less sense considering, how, few whites, (of any religion), there, are, in Baltimore.

[@leogetz3570]

@@fromthehaven94 Actually I think it had to do with "shared parking" for the stadiums as they are right across the street from each other. But either way, the Orioles, knowing for months ahead of time, could have moved up first pitch or rescheduled the game to another day. Definitely selfish on their part

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@leogetz3570 Ultimately, Karma, visited them in the fact that they, never, again, won, a, Pennant, much less a, World Series, and, their beautiful new ballpark got wasted as their great players, (apart from Cal Ripken, Jr.), departed/retired.

[@Rockhound6165]

Not for nothing, the Cardinals may have started 1983 slowly but abysmal they were not. After their 1-5 start they went 7-2-1 the rest of the season and finished 1/2 game out of the playoffs. They were also the last team to beat the eventual Super Bowl champion Raiders beating them 34-24 in LA. Had Neil O'Donahue been able to kick a 19 yard FG they would have made the playoffs. And I forgot my Phils were in the World Series that year. The Wheeze Kids. Lost in 5 to the Orioles.

[@jpmnky]

That story has huge 2003 Vikings and Saints vibes.

[@Rockhound6165]

@@matthewdaley746 what Commanders? There was no Commanders. Stop rewriting history.

[@stevenbauer4799]

neil lomax was like one of the few to throw for over 4000 yds that season. namath had done it. before marino made it routine the next season.

[@stevenbauer4799]

skins...

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@matthewdaley746 yep. Fk the censors.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

Edie Murray was awesome.

[@matthewdaley746]

Yeah, he, was, one, of, the, very, few, 500, 3K, players, and, the, only, one, to get his historic, base-hit, first, Miguel Cabrera can join that exclusive club, if the season, ever, happens, that is.

[@pronkb000]

Great year for baseball's Eddie Murray. Bad ending for football's--he missed a potential GW FG that would have given the Lions an upset playoff win at San Francisco.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@pronkb000 Lions, break, many, hearts.

[@mgb4692]

20 years later (nearly to the day), John Cena would namedrop him in a battle rap where he absolutely obliterated some plant before his match against Kurt Angle at No Mercy

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@mgb4692 The, Rock, he's, not, entirely, talentless.

[@americanidol30]

The Eagles were playing at the same time that the Phillies were playing in the World Series. Sports fans in Philadelphia probably had a hard time deciding which game to watch.

[@matthewdaley746]

In 1980, they reached the Final in every sport, and, lost, three, of them, they would, win, the 1983 NBA Championship, and, win, nothing, for, 25 years, their, biggest, problem, was, consistently being the, second-best, team in every particular sport.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@matthewdaley746 flyers have lost six straight times in the finals. truly a consolation prize city. philly got showtimed a couple of times and couldn't beat the celts. And had willie wilson got on base more instead of striking out every a b phils probably lose that w s.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@stevenbauer4799 Game Seven, in 1982, was, the, last, time a road team, won, for, over, a decade, they would chant, "BEAT LA!," (they didn't), the Lakers, only, lost, in 1983, because, James Worthy got hurt, they blew a, 2-0, lead, against, the Nets in 1984, 1980, was, a, Bridesmaid, Series, they, only, won, in 2008, because, the Red Sox ran out of miracles.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@matthewdaley746 yep. royals and phils finally broke thru in '80 when phils got a lousy astro team in the nlcs and royals finally beat the yanks in alcs because gossage/yanks couldn't get brett out. I believe sixers blew a 3-1 series lead to celts in '82. Then came the 'fo fo fo' year.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@stevenbauer4799 They, were, lucky they played them, and, not, the Dodgers, they, were, outscored by the Astros, despite, winning, Nolan Ryan had an epic collapse, I think 1981, was, the 76ers collapse, they got Moses Malone, after, the 1982, Finals, loss, they've been paying, for, almost, forty, years, no relief, since.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Wow Sunday Night Football last year got more viewers than the World Series game 5. I wonder how many viewers it took away from Football. LoL 😅

[@americangiant1003]

Starting to think now, might be time for MLB to just bypass having a Sunday WS game. And just play under the current format in recent years of Tuesday Game 1, Wednesday Game 2, Friday Game 3, Saturday Afternoon Game 4, Monday Game 5, the following Wednesday Game 6 and Thursday Game 7. And use the 2nd Tuesday for any make up games due to the weather.

[@matthewdaley746]

The, World Series, was, already, beginning its decline, no question.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@americangiant1003 I'd settle, for, not, using, ten, pitchers in a Game.

[@americangiant1003]

@@matthewdaley746 Actually the huge decline in the WS started in the early 90s. Keep in mind in 1986, that both Game 6 and 7 of the now legendary Mets/Red Sox still are among of the most watched MLB games of all time.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@americangiant1003 New York City may have had something to do, with, that, we got, two, straight, All-California, match-ups, and, an, AL, Pennant, in 1990, "The, Strike," hurt, Toronto's, Mini-Dynasty, didn't help.

[@VinnyXwolf]

Let me ask a question. You always say to learn more about some thing click the card in the upper right hand corner. Am I the only one who never sees these cards? Maybe its because I watch his videos on my TV.

[@CTubeMan]

It doesn’t work on TV, only computers or smart phones.

[@j.p.pelzman7481]

I don't see it on my laptop either

[@stevenbauer4799]

Back in the days when w s still had afternoon games. Last one was cards/twins in '87. And so what. Wouldn't the game just be blacked out in tb because of no sell out as usual giving that market the usual falcon game anyway? tb/ lions was a must see game for sure. tix must have been sold like hot cakes.

[@matthewdaley746]

OT, but, the 1987 Twins, are, the, worst, World Series, Champions, ever, they, won, 85 Games, had the, ninth-best, record in the league, stunk on the road, and, were, outscored, Toronto, had the league's, second-best, record, and, the Mets, were, Defending, Champions, both, would miss the, Playoffs, a, better, team, won, in 1991, bookending, "The, Dynasty, That, Wasn't," how, awful.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@matthewdaley746 Beat the last remnants of '84 tiger dynasty that wasn't first. Gibson and morris were ready to flee after that one to win another w s elsewhere. Lucky baggydome twins. And that was another whitey managed team that choked in the post season. Mets were another dynasty that wasn't. They made several ill fated trades that doomed them. Starting with nails for juan samuel.

[@matthewdaley746]

​​@@stevenbauer4799 Trading Keith Hernandez, for, "drug allegations," was, the dumbest trade in MLB history, (that they, were, true didn't matter, at all), it, definitely, cost them in 1985, and, probably, cost them in 1987, the Tigers fell off of a cliff, for, no apparent reason, Kevin Mitchell, for, Kevin McReynolds, was, even, worse, the Mets blew the 1988 NLCS to a Dodgers team that, wasn't, much, better, than, the 1986 Red Sox, Keith Hernandez would be a, HOFer, if he didn't play, 1B, the thing that killed the Mets, worst, was, The Playoff, Format, period.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@matthewdaley746 The other pizza man was too cheap to keep that tiger team together. Him having bo fire ernie was b s move. And then mcreynolds-never comfortable in nyc- was dealt to royals for saberhagen. mets coveted power bats and arms too much. even though strawberry was gonna play with his buddy davis in la one day. that was planned. Just like the Kid hernandez was a leader of that team. Even tho he was fading very irreplaceble. That team was very combustible with drug abusers and coke heads. davey just lost a grip on mets after '86. No way they should have lost to lucky dodgers in that hershiser year in '88

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@stevenbauer4799 Yeah, and, even if Dwight Gooden didn't snort coke, for, breakfast, his throwing hard on, every, pitch, was, a ticking time bomb.

[@brianarbenz1329]

Anyone else hear "cyanide football" at 8:13 ?

[@rjsweda]

touchdown, he had control over the goal ine

[@WaltGekko]

That rule of having at least one game between 1:00 and 7:00 PM came about after several times in 1978 where the Jets and Giants both had 1:00 PM games, leaving NYC without ANY games at 4:00 PM Eastern Time. I believe this led to the rule noted here as after that one of the Jets or Giants was at 1:00 and the other was at 4:00 PM no matter what for many years.

[@bwburke94]

Yes, but what time is it in Guam?

[@WaltGekko]

@@bwburke94 This was about New York, which is eastern time.

[@shantoreywilkins651]

🆗️#271st

[@glennstarkey7087]

I remember the giants at 1 jets at 4 era it does hold water even today as its considered still mildly permissible to follow both clubs owing to decades of this policy (i don't think it truly ended until 2012) Shared stadium shared TV rights and the jets so bad NBC used a quasi rsn team of Joe Namath and Marty Glickman lol

[@WaltGekko]

Marty Glickman was a legend in New York. He was nearing the end of his career by that point, but he was still doing it.