The Curious Case of Mr. Dream

[@Papamanual]

Mr Dream sucks, also cool vid :D

[@whitty9877]

OMG HOW IS THERE NO REPLIES PAP YOU ARE SUCH A GOOD KZbinR

[@vietnam_so_good]

bye bye, fuckarito.

[@BrianRosenbergMusican]

when I was a kid the rumor around me was that the Great Puma from pro wrestling was going to be the final fight. It was one of those you can shoot the dog in duck hunt type rumors

[@whitty9877]

@@BrianRosenbergMusican THAT WOULD BE A SICK CROSSOVER OH MY GOD

[@linusdoesstuff625]

pap has arrived

[@protol5683]

I kinda wish they'd added Mr. Dream to the Wii Punch Out, so he could've had SOME kinda personality and reputation beyond being, "Not Mike Tyson"

[@ultralance]

I do like they at least included one Mr. Dream reference in the Wii game, in the Tyson... I mean, Sandman fight. I'm 99% sure that his triple uppercut move was unnamed before the Wii game... where they gave it the name Dreamland Express. With that said, still agree, would've been better if they just actually had Mr. Dream... maybe have him show up in Mac's Last Stand either before or instead of Donkey Kong. You know where they really should've put Mr. Dream for my vote? Super Punch-Out for SNES, where the final boss is literally the identical twin brother of the guy you fight ***immediately*** before him. It's not even a case of like, Honda sprite vs Tyson where they changed it up - they basically took the penultimate fight of the game, cloned him, then finished it up by changing the first name from Rick to Nick, taking off his earring, and flipping his smile into a frown. Yeah, I'm one of the weirdos whose favorite game in the series is SNES Punch-Out!!... but one of the few faults I can see clear as day is the Bruiser brothers. I could nitpick a couple others, but honestly, that's the biggest one for me I think.

[@lucasgreer1736]

@@ultralance mr. sandman's similarities go beyond that. in his title defense fight, he does the quick uppercuts from og tyson/dream.

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

​@bennel3588 Yes, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out was generally the most beloved game in the series. Super Punch-Out SNES is the underrated one, but it's my favorite.

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

@bennel3588 Yeah, I can agree to that. It's because Mike Tyson was in it.

[@Hamburger8079]

@@jinthekingkazama1159What’d they say?

[@gamerkyle2402]

I originally passed Mr. Dream off as "generic," but the more I think about his design, the more I like to think that he's supposed to represent Little Mac. He looks to me like what Little Mac would look like on the opposite end of the ring as a full-fledged opponent. This, and his vague profile lead me to believe that Mr. Dream is a manifestation of Little Mac's goals, his dreams if you will.

[@GameMasterWLC]

That's an awesome theory

[@blackcatbooks64]

Fun fact: Glass Joe's one victory was against Logan Paul. Joe refused to take the fall, and knocked him out on the first punch.

[@Noah4cool]

Apparently glass Joe won against nick bruiser

[@splatlenpixil]

It could have also have been mike tyson because he stated he didn't get past glass joe

[@PreciousTheShinyShuppet]

@Noah4cool This is the canon answer. "The Official Nintendo Magazine claims Glass Joe defeated Nick Bruiser in an accident, supported by the fact that he is on the fastest score list. However, Nick Bruiser has an undefeated 42-0 record, although this could be because of Glass Joe's win being accidental, so they didn't give Nick Bruiser a loss in his record, while still giving Glass Joe a win in his record." Though that begs the question, what does an accidental / freak accident win even look like in boxing?

[@jadendafinger]

@@PreciousTheShinyShuppetwasn't it that Bruiser had food poisoning? not sure if this is canon but I've seen it come up from numerous people.

[@Kryptnyt]

@@PreciousTheShinyShuppet Maybe it was a family emergency. Rick got in a devastating car accident and Nick forfeited the match to make sure his brother was okay, kind of thing.

[@lilgoom723]

Headcanon: Mr dream after losing to Little Mac and losing his title as world champion he retired from boxing and became a boxing trainer. His student, Mr Sandman. Under his teaching Mr Sandman became the champion in the Wii title.

[@Swiftfoal18]

Would explain the name sandman. Perfect record before fighting mac. Won every match by TKO. Another name for dried rheum is sleepy sand/ eye boogers.

[@2mg679]

I always thought sandman was the final as a nod to punch out arcade, in which sandman was the final there.

[@GabrielPiardi]

​@@2mg679It was actually super macho man

[@mrclean7473]

@@GabrielPiardihe was the final boss in super punch out arcade, whereas sandman was in the og punch out arcade

[@GabrielPiardi]

@@mrclean7473 Ah, makes sense

[@tf2fanplayz976]

I call him White Tyson

[@bruceaskew2107]

Me too 🤣🤣

[@richardwitt3121]

Mr. Dream=Ruslan Chagaev, confirmed.

[@KEZAstraYT]

Im kicking myself for not coming up with that

[@johnstorm9314]

Whitewashed Tyson

[@ghostface5559]

Like tyson fury?

[@Larry]

The sole reason Sega wanted Buster Douglas for their Genesis boxing game was because he beat Mike Tyson, so they wanted to use that to get one over on Nintendo (which they even put on the back of the box!) But for a final boss, Mr. Dream isn't very intimidating, especially after Bald Bull, Mr Sandman and The Super Macho Man. Its sequel didn't really do any better with their final guy either. But the Wii version was good having Donkey Kong, that really came out of nowhere.

[@entechgt]

Idk man I liked the Bruiser designs a lot but they dropped it by having half of the last circuit bein against them.

[@niydfass1060]

Nick Bruiser is pretty cool. Not as good as Sandman in WII imo, but still.

[@kaiser9321]

If they ever do some type of reimagining or Super Punch Out, I hope the Bruisers are kept, and they added a few new fighters

[@girlbuu9403]

Not intimidated by ambiguously brown bald men staring down their nose at you? Or just a Rick Bruiser fan?

[@girlbuu9403]

People saying Mr. Dream was based on people that weren't that famous yet gave me a pretty good laugh. Some of them were kids when this game came out Dwayne Johnson was still playing college football, John Cena was like fourteen and Aaron Judge hadn't been born yet.

[@FlowerSequel]

Plus I think he pulled Rocky Marciano out of his ass as it looks nothing like him and no source of that claim

[@markula_4040]

The sprite swapping is interesting because after Tyson was added, only King Hippo had a unique sprite which makes sense because of his size. This means the Gold Punchout variant also had Piston Honda with a unique sprite.

[@jokerofspades-xt3bs]

Quite honestly if Bear Hugger was in the first punch out there would be no boxers outside of Mac himself that have fully unique sprites to themselves.

[@arobb2007]

Mr. Dream looks and reminds me of Vanilla Ice.

[@RobertKreese]

I was just about to say the same thing! :D

[@ultralance]

vanilla ice vs chocolate mike ^what I'm going to refer to the Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson fight from now on

[@HeXilyte]

lmao

[@petevaldezbc1]

Lol. I always thought he looked like Conan O' Brien

[@girlbuu9403]

@@petevaldezbc1 Fun fact, Conan is like 6'4" If he beefed up he would be genuinely intimidating.

[@DevilTheIdiot]

Now we're waiting for TD Mr. NIghtmare

[@ultralance]

lmao just turn TD Sandman white and say he has vitiligo (aka the disease that made Michael Jackson turn white).

[@doominickjackson5359]

Mr Dream when Mr Nightmare walks in 😮

[@EdmondDantes224]

There's actually a youtuber named Mr Nightmare... he reads horror stories.

[@doominickjackson5359]

@EdmondDantes224 Oh yeah I think I watched him

[@misk-ivus2990]

I love Mr. Dreams stunned face, absolutely priceless.

[@Чебуречек_антиквд]

You haven't seen mike tyson's yet 😅

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

Punch-Out Gold is also technically a beta version of Mike Tyson's Punch-Out, because Mike Tyson's files are in the game, just unused.

[@trollface4775]

Tbh, I have a theory about mr.dream, glass joe has 99 loses, and mr.dream has 99 wins, those 99 wins being people who faced glass joe to soda or bald bull. So here’s the theory, what if mr.dream doesn’t exist, and is a “dream” circuit, dr.dream appears as a boxing god, appears for the bravest of all boxers who’s unfortunate to face him

[@walu63]

I thought you were gonna say that Mr dream just beat the shit out of glass Joe 99 times

[@cnbbtfn8921]

Same

[@usergenericosimpatico]

@@walu63 It would have been awesome

[@kellymountain]

ah yes, Doctor Dream is my favorite character

[@joshdillon9637]

I didn't mind having the Mr. Dream version at all. I got my NES later than most, so that was the version available. Everyone else I knew already had the Tyson version, so mine was kind of unique in a sense.

[@Sly88Frye]

Arnold Schwarzenegger makes sense but then once you show that people thought he was based based off of actors who didn't become famous until decades later, that's where I was just like yeah they're not being serious😂

[@BNWilliamGaming]

Wait! If Mr. Dream is from Dreamland, that means that the Kirby universe is canon in Punch Out!

[@wingsmash0]

ah, that's how dream got so strong, hailing from dreamland

[@ujkloin]

the thing about the palette swapping isnt FULLY correct. tyson is a palette swap of honda yes, but every fighter in the game (except king hippo) has a body double counterpart (soda pop and macho, tiger and kaiser, joe and don, and bull and sandman)

[@ujkloin]

i know you mention this in the video a few minutes later, but im pretty sure that tyson being added after gold cart had very little to do with him being a body double of honda

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

​@@ujkloin The Gold version was also pretty much a beta version of Mike Tyson's Punch-Out, because Mike Tyson's files are still in the game, just unused.

[@ujkloin]

@@jinthekingkazama1159 i know but i dont know what it has to do with my comment

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

@@ujkloin Just felt like saying it, and also it kind of proves that the Gold Edition was being developed after the fight of Mike Tyson was seen in real life.

[@ujkloin]

@@jinthekingkazama1159 fair i guess

[@CorporateSycophant]

Mr. Dream is Little Mac - what Little Mac wants to be. Mr. Dream is Little Nemo all grown up.

[@Dwedit]

At 2:59, you mention that Mike Tyson is "not included" in the Gold Japanese version of Punch Out. He actually is present, just not accessible. Game Genie codes "IESZPAAA + AKSZZAAA" will replace Glass Joe with Mike Tyson. He is fully functional, but the boxing ring background color is wrong.

[@Typical.Anomaly]

I bought "Punch Out!!!" from Target in the early 90s, expecting a sequel. I already had "MTPO!!!" at home. Returned it within days.

[@Shoofyou10]

I had the Mr Dream version as a kid

[@mobypixel]

Great video! I don't think I've ever played Not Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!

[@eduardoaguero1220]

My theory was always the dream circuit was a dream because they weren't gonna make Mike Tyson a canon character in the Nintendo World, so when the contract expired they created a character that was the PERFECT Boxing Champ, and Mac would face him in his homeland of Dreamland

[@ashmander3465]

Where's Kirby

[@GuyDude-hk8uy]

God I hate to jump on the "EVERY OLD GAME IS SECRETLY A HORROR" bullshit bandwagon, but I genuinely always found that portrait of Tyson unsettling. If it wasn't for the hilariously-accurate missing front tooth lmao.

[@SSDARKPIT]

Ok so I never played any Punch-Out title, and as a kid, for the longest time, I thought Mr. Dream was the name of Mario's cameo as the referee.

[@RamZnation]

The Ref on the Mr Dream box art cover looks like Cheech Marin.

[@Djwunmoshen]

Theres no curious case. That whole Robin Givens situation with Tyson made Nintendo and other sponsors to pull back. That simple.

[@throwbackswiththetechnodrome]

I loved Mr. Dream, I had an AOL screen name in his honor back in the day! -Cast

[@No-hd8fh]

Ah yes, the sound of childhood 7:03

[@SuPeRNinJaRed]

1:25 Mike Tyson’s character pic looks like he possessed by a demon! Those glowing, hot white pinholes where his pupils should be stare straight into the darkest recesses of your soul

[@The_D_ray]

I never had a problem with Mr.Dream outside of the name. It kinda remind me too much of Mr.Sandman. I mean, both are names Mr. and have something to do with dreams. It always made a good headcanon for them, but nothing more. To me the beauty of the dream fight was the difficulty, not really WHO are you fighting against. Let's cut some slack for Mr.Dream.

[@vidyabatter]

Liked the Phred cameo.

[@ToastaToast]

Clearly, as a denizen from Dreamland, Mr. Dream has preternatural abilities that elevate him above what a normal human is capable of. One might even theorize that Mr. Dream knows the pink puffball, Kirby, himself.

[@sawgydawgy-jv7ov]

This is really cool, hope to see more of these videos lol

[@twinstarMD]

Thanks!

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

2:04 TD Buster confirmed?

[@natejoe9924]

We still had the Mike Tyson version in are house

[@ashmander3465]

My Favorite Kirby Character

[@erikgilson1687]

Yeah no Don King would have gone for like 50% royalties for all copies sold if they'd tried to renegotiate or something insane like that

[@jot2b]

Such a fun video, the perfect length to cover such a topic! Well done!

[@ManahManah77]

If you grew up back then you knew damn well why Tyson was replaced, lol. I don't think that "Convicted R*pist Punch Out" had the same ring to it.

[@pattrell5257]

I think that maybe they should have done something different with Mr. Dream: as maybe mixing a little of SM, SMM, and Tyson into this boss. You could have also added a couple of more fighters at least. You'd have something then.

[@nicholasdeeb1866]

A time when Mario was a referee instead of a plumber

[@mr.awesome6011]

Mario had ten or so jobs at once back then.

[@Magus12000BC]

2:18 Tyson beat his wife. Just say it. It's not like it's speculation.

Also raped more than one person and got caught for one

[@CSLucasEpic]

I got Punch-Out!! rather late when I was a kid, in 1991, so my copy was one of the ones that had Mr. Dream instead of Mike Tyson. The title screen also just said Punch Out instead of "Mike Tyson's Punch Out".

[@marscaleb]

Of course I always preferred the version with Mike Tyson because that was just part of the lore of my childhood. But I completely get why they dropped Tyson, and honestly, it's fine. It makes more sense to have an original character instead of a real-world one anyway. I always just thought he was too unimaginative. They should have come up with a character just as crazy and outlandish as the rest of the cast. I thought the final bout in Super Punch Out was even cheaper though; he was just a slightly re-colored version of the second-to-last boss. If they had replaced him with Mr Dream, my love and respect of Mr Dream would have gone up considerably. They should have just made him the canon final boss of the Punch Out universe, instead of just a one-off character from a re-release version.

[@k_three]

Thats twitch's best emote!

[@toptenguy1]

I *NEARLY* got tricked by it. I was a MAJOR fan of Mike Tyson's Punch Out, rented it more than a dozen times as a kid. When I saw this game at the mall, I legit thought it was a sequel. THANK GOODNESS I didn't buy it!!! lol

[@GunSpyEnthusiast]

it's interesting to note that due to recent events in history, Little Mac, at best, is on par with Jake Paul. which is a major insult to Little Mac, and should be considered as verbal assault in a court of law.

[@denisepink8794]

I thought Mr.dream looked like vanilla ice

Yeah basically Vanilla Schwarzenegger

[@Overdoseplus]

Wonder how much of a cold mf Mike was in prison.

[@dmman33]

Yo I’m here for Punch Out Content!

[@blackcatbooks64]

Logan Paul is too scared to get into the ring with Mr. Dream.

[@otakubullfrog1665]

I think that he feels uninspired because of his thematic overlap with Mr. Sandman.

[@danwaleby]

Ay that beat at 7:15 is bangin

[@marcovarius]

Mr.Dream is from Dreamland because he's Kirby's father.

[@ryanhernandez8324]

4:16 Who's Phred?

[@DrewskiGaming0]

I had the original mike Tyson version growing up

[@CircleFly]

5:16 - Mr. Dream is a Kirby character?

[@HarryToeface]

The only fighter in punch out that should have anything to do with dreams should be sandman.

[@DisFantasy]

He's the upgrade.

[@MrBuch169169]

'Not so savoury antics" huh

[@cocballus250]

1:28 honestly i thought it was Tyson's allegations

[@hisham_hm]

it was -- Tyson was already on the downturn at that point

[@Korushin-V]

My theory is that he's from the Kirby universe. It would explain why he got so overpowered because he has to contend with K I R B Y.

[@Jumpman-64]

I think Mr. Dream is overhated.

Racism is brutal

[@ParappatheRapper]

He lives on Popstar with Kirby so I can't really hate him too much.

[@risingrevolt]

How are you so sure that Mr dream was based on Rocky Marciano. Did the devs clarify this was case or something? Because to me he barely looks like him.

[@MaxAngor]

Mr Dream looks like Forrest Gump.

[@IlGabibboQuelloVero]

Whenever i see this vid i think: wait, are you talking about yourself? But your videos are fire, just. Like. Punch out

[@flarite]

i am mister d r e a m

[@GladeSwope]

I wonder if a game featuring OJ Simpson or Donald Trump would get a similar name change. It is good clean Nintendo, after all.

In logic we call this a false equivalence In psychology it's called a narcissistic comparison Trump was never a football star 😆

[@Thejay12345]

very good video, just wondering but do you have any goals for punch out?

[@Sensei_BigJoe]

$50,000!? One of the best games of all time, not just boxing, not just NES, just perioda and yall gave the man 50k and didn't even talk about renewing it. Damn Nintendo, you scary.

[@natejoe9924]

Yes Mr dream was the new face on the Nintendo version but sandman on the Wii version he's the face I don't know why they changed it but they did

[@Charles2112pp]

Well, you tried.

[@charleschamp9826]

What's the name of the Hack that makes Zelda fightable?

[@twinstarMD]

@@charleschamp9826 Phred's Cool Punch-Out II Turbo

[@charleschamp9826]

@@twinstarMD Thanks.

[@dustinroyer7918]

Looks like Winston McCall from parkway drive

[@johnnychimpo3755]

More like Conan O’Brien

[@no1run732]

I actually don't mind and have both versions involving Tyson and Dream, but consider Dream to be harder because it's hard to pick up the flash before he uppercuts against his pale skin. With Tyson, it's easy. Like it's hard with timing, but at least the visual element is not the reason for difficulty. So any kind of ultimate challenge stunt I make on it that involves Tyson or Dream in the fight, I'm picking Dream for that reason alone. Unless it's a whole game stunt, which I don't even have a version of, then you have two ultimate versions, Tyson first and like Tyson+ basically, but Dream IS noticably harder to affect my stunts if I made one. I don't. I have a PER FIGHT stunt which requires emulators and save states if I want to do it and not do pointless fights before each try on the cartridge. But I don't want to fool with emulators. My computer and gaming on computer technology is not up to date for that. It would affect it. I do have per fight strategies for my particular challenge mapped out up to a certain point.

[@ViketAnnYuumi]

why companies do not renovate their licenses? theories: becaues this person made bad stuff and nintendo didnt wanted to have him closer what actually happend nintendo employer: sir do we call mike tyson for the collab again? the copyright expired nintendo employer 2: i called his manager say tyson is busy for 3 days straight nintendo ceo: well fuck it just replace him for another guy

[@Safetyswitch]

mr dream? don'T you mean 'White tyson'

[@afterglow-podcast]

7:14 thought that was Rhonda Rousey for a sec

[@shadepizza4217]

(Scott the Woz voice) HOLY SHIT its a white guy!

[@TheRealDocLouis]

7:01 WHERES THE PICTURE

[@danfors1333]

He kinda looks like Mike Buffer

[@lucianoclaudio2335]

John Cenna

[@blazinjaden]

nintendo did iron mike by replacing him with this knockoff dwayne johnson vanilla ice hybrid looking mf 😭😭😭😭

[@Embargoman]

I totally agree Mr. Dream is Rocky Marciano, well some people will put it as Sly Stallone aka Rocky Balboa.

[@sam_bibly]

i noticed you didn't even mention what mike went to prison for. it's a pretty important part of this story, actually.

[@davidlevy706]

That's an easy way to get a video demonetized by KZbin.

[@justiciar1964]

Sega went and published a Buster Douglas boxing game. It's not as fun though.

[@RicardoBurguete-k5h]

I like dr dream 👍

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

​@bennel3588 Only Nintendo of America and Europe said that Super Punch-Out SNES was a sequel to Punch-Out NES, Nintendo of Japan said nothing, and Punch-Out is a Japanese series. It's best to see Super Punch-Out SNES as an alternate universe from Punch-Out NES and its soft reboot remake Punch-Out Wii, which are the main universe games. The SNES protagonist is an unnamed boxer which I like to call "Peter 'Birdie' Punch". But yeah, you're right about Power Punch II no longer being a sequel.

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

@bennel3588 Yeah, I also specifically like to put in "Birdie", as his nickname, hence Peter "Birdie" Punch. I have a whole idea of a new Punch-Out game, where you could choose to control either Little Mac or Peter, and I already done the whole character list for it.

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

@bennel3588 Yes, I do know that.

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

@bennel3588 I see. I did know about Peach, but I didn't know about the others. Thanks for telling!

[@jinthekingkazama1159]

@bennel3588 I see.

[@nobodyinparticular9640]

The first ever case of whitewashing in a videogame I'm joking lmao

[@otttimon5654]

White Tyson

[@ClarkPotter]

Keep this up, and your channel will blow up.

[@AkselSv]

I just pretend that I'm fighting the Italian Stallion from the Rocky movies😉

[@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat]

Interesting background info, but I still don't care about Dream

[@FlowerSequel]

Did you pull the Rocky Marciano out of your ass or is there documented notes from the developers? There is hardly any resemblance.

[@mgtowproperties]

How to hell could it be Jon Seda And The Rock when does video game Out dates their characters by at least 10 years Fine you want to go with that Fine glass joe Is modeled off of jake Paul and you can see the resemblance 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@rcblazer]

I am pretty sure Piston Honda is more similar to The Rock (what with the eyebrows and the running back and forth to the ropes before his special attack) and John Cena debuted in 2002, whereas Mr. Dream first appeared in 1990. If anything, Mr. Dream looked like a super roided out version of Little Mac to me. Maybe Mr. Dream was the inspiration for Giga Mac in the Head-2-Head mode of Punch Out for the Wii?

[@KevinOntiveros-dg1ul]

asi que le quite la mascara al santooo del villa y haora se mira horrible esque haorita no estamos para nada y una mascara le sale muy cara es mas ya no tengo para el puros hongos

[@edoardomaster64]

que