The Cursed Denizens of Abundance | Honkai Star Rail Lore

[@SoulHeartEsquivel]

I....honestly wouldn't do it. I just feel that I would simply stagnate if i had an eternity to do things on my own. And even if all my loved ones did take it, I still wouldn't because to me the shortness of life is what gives meaning to me. I just know my depression would surface back in full for if i was immortal and then things wouldnt be very good. No i wouldnt take it even before knowing of the troubles that immorality would bring. It would get boring and tedious eventually, like playing a never ending turn based game that never changes or evolves.

[@InanisNihil]

note we learn and ignore that the origional people that sought and found the abuandence then themselves TURNED and killed each other for POWER.. i do not at all think nor see Yaoshi at all even supporting this... abuance doesnt like death and killing... the very huamns or whatever that got her powers literally started to try to kill each other.. maybe thats why they are fk'd up now.. also note... because of that fk up THEY DID.. aka its THEIR FAULT.. they futher hate it and blame yaoshi thus why they are more fk'd up.. note dan shu.. the mara struck who embrance it.. literally dont suffer at all from all those horrible genetic issues.... i bring this up because it goes back the the origion of their people i think the HUNT and its followers are liars.. 😂 remember we the mc will eventually get abundance path and we'll see it from their perspective that they arent as bad as the hunt and etc made them out to be.. what if learn from yaoshi or some big top self abundance npc/playable characters another VERSIION to this one and only version the xianzhou gave us..? remember this is bascially religion.. im not sold hunt is lyin gan dmaking the other look bad ... or worse the what it actually is... === also note: we arent immortal.. we irl actually can only ASSUME what it would be like to be immortal.. with our IMPOSE short life understanding... aka if ur born immortal then thats NORMAL and natural too you.. imagine a fruit fly.. it would think our life span is horrible.. what if a tree could think it would see our life sapnd as aweful too... xD only thing we do know so far from NOT HUNT followers and from an abundance follower themselves.. u dont suffer any of those issue if u embrace it... === we only got ONE SIDE of fanaticals view of the other... and the current abandance followers on the 2nd planet literally dont have rights or rather there is no 1st amendement to right for them.. they will get killed ON SIGHT.. so why would we not exept extremeist abunndance followers... 😂 sadly it only helpf reaffairm the hunts opinions butt again the extremist of abuance have no 'rights" so it looks to me they are fighting for "freedom/rights" i as an athiest stand by seperation of church and state.. 100% violation of this going on at the xianzhou... it be like if christians started killing atheist here in teh USA and then the MC of star rail showed up later and befriend christians first and saw extremist athiest fighting in the shadows to have the right to worship nothing as bad people 😂 THINK ABOUT THAT.. ========= think of The Propagation Aeon.. Tayzzyronth... people think its BAD/EVIL Tayzzyronth was a narrow subset/path of LONG the permience who disappeared.. perminacne is about everlasting/longetvity LONG is GONE.. lmao and it was only AFTER Longs disappearance that Tayzzyronth became its own aeon and started propagation lol.. aka with LONG gone.. lmao Tayzzyronth to me sound sounds like it started dying.. it didnt wanna die so it was force to reproduce and reproduce at a rate faster then its dying. aka its an unfortnate effect of Longs disappearance that forced Tayzzyronth to do this to survive sadly that causes issues and thus why all the other aeons had to to kill the swarm lol one thing i learned about elderscrolls what it taught me.. there isnt really any GOOD OR EVIL.. its nauances and all aspects have both good and bad.... example hunt has the delusional facton that is utterly intolerent of abundance and wants to genocide it.. then u had the other group that disappeared that didnt hate the abundance despite i veiw and came into this game with my irl train of thought.. i dont care for LAN nor Abuandance.. i care less for lan BECAUSAE hes intolerent and if a person wants to BELIEVE and follow aeon they should have that right and not have to be killed for it... 😂 also U cant learn and understand anything if ur only trying to kill it.. that doesnt help... at least abundance people using their knowledge to understand and come up with more solutions.. im if i had to pick... choosing yaoshi over lan... sorry all gods that violate my 1st amendement right or anyones can get fk'd. ill choose the devil himself over lan 😂

[@Riverlia]

It should be noted that Aeon are beings of extremes and Lan the Hunt is also known for killing his own follower with little remorse. Both are not something you really want to come across. Their followers can be bother good and bad depending on how they interpret the path. So far the lore we learned demonized Abundance because it was from the perspective of Xianzhou, and as with most thing Hoyoverse, the side materials are written with the bias of the in-universe writer in mind.

[@MM-bn4rl]

Thanks for the delicious lore, really good summary on xianzhou perspective of this topic, but if we talk about the question "would you take a forbidden fruit?", then, honestly, I would, and wound share some with Tingyun (I felt some sort of relief when not only I alone was facinated with the powers of the Abundance during the quest, and if I had a choise, I would gladly side with Dan Shu, because I empathise with her plights, and hate to the devilish bow author, but the only thing I could do to show it is to let her and disciples to go without fighting them). The reason is that we only know about the "Abominations" of Abundance from the Xianzhou, their bitter enemies, that maybe do not even distinguish the creatures (animals, plants, that just propagate without control, because it is their nature, not good, not evil) from people (races who, unlike them, manage to live in harmony with their gifts, and all pros and cons that they bring), seeing all as their "prey", simply dehumanizing every Denizen of Abundance. What one side sees as a freedom from the frailty of mortality, others perceive as a loss of humanity and life they are accustomed to (naturally you cant expect that culture of mortals, with all its disturbing aspects, can bring any good to the race of immortals). The other reason is that I am honestly tired of the cliche in all works of media that is summarized in one sentence: "Immortality = Bad, automatically, and all who seek it, even with admirable motives, are automatically villains because they do not respect the so-called balnce of life and death", because we are never given the alternative, and if such examples arise, we still chose to be afraid of potential cure from death. In that sence the story of Baizhu was like a breath of fresh air, and I had a thought, that if he was born in the universe of HSR, he would probably be the disciple of Sanctus Medicus, if not the Aeon of Abundance instead of Yaoshi. Is it really that bad to be always young, never have to experience sickness, and have all the time in the world just to marvel at the beauty of life, or, is it a bad thing to desire and fantasize about such existence? I think no, because, like in the case of xianzhou immortals, this kind of longevity doesn't erase the concept of death, you can still die from outside factors or the hands of others, but not from old age, or an otherwise incurable sickness. You are just given an opportunity, and choice, to live how much you want, and do anything you want with the given time, in all other aspects, its all up to you, whether you choose to do good, evil, or nothing. You yourself can turn a gift into a curse with your choices. That is where I return to the Xianzhou Alliance, and although I like them and their conflict\concept, they are the ultimate hypocrites for me. The reason is, unlike those planets who suffered from wars and plagues and maybe even harsh natural conditions, due to which life was doomed to perish (to whom Yaoshi came in person to help, without asking anything in return), xianzhou actively searched for Yaoshi themselves and judging by the fact that it took them a good few thousand years to find him, they haven't experienced any plight on a similar scale on their comfortable ships, otherwise, Yaoshi would just come to alliance much sooner themself. And since it is not in the nature of Abundance to turn down any wishes of others, he granted the xianzhou their wish, immortality, nothing more, nothing less. What happened next? Xianzhou, who haven't felt true suffering, and have taken their gift for granted, suffered because of it, but instead of learning from their mistakes, and taking responsibility for the disasters, they blame Yaoshi in their hubris. More than that, they regard their painful experience as an ultimate truth, and because of it see themselves in the right to destroy other civilizations that have, or need to have Abundance for survival. Thus, the only sin of Yaoshi is that he is too trusting, even generous with his gifts, and belives that all can handle them responsibly, which is not the truth with the xianzhou. The Emperor that has send the fleet of Xianzhou wanted immortality out of mortal greed, then the motives of his people were largely similar if they agreed to this journey, but now when they have it, they pose like they have a moral high ground to deny Abundance to everyone else, even those whose motive is to save their home. By irony, even after siding with Hunt, they remained greedy celestials, not unlike those they fight against. Their idea is "If true abundance and peace is unattainable, then you should not even try to work in order to achive them, and if you will, we will come and smite you". Just imagine the scenario that you are living on a dying, apocalyptic world, where resouces are scarce, people turn on each other for the illusionary chance of living to the next day, and then, suddenly, a divinity you never saw comes from the hevens, and revives your home, breathes new life into it, preaching about forgiveness, healing, and altruism. No surprise that you will be thankful to Yaoshi, and worship it as a benevolent god, because from what you saw, it is true. Of course, life still has its problems, but by staying true to the teachings of Yaoshi, and by remembering the horror that was before his arrival (immortality helps in that sense because there always will be those who remember and lived through those events), you manage to overcome them and prosper for hundreds of years, in transition from the cycle of samsara to the state of nirvana. And then, just as suddenly, another "guests" from the hevens arrive, who call you and your planet an abomination. They destroy and kill everything you love and worked for, simply because invaders turned a blessing into a curse for themselves, and think that that is the case for everyone else. No wonder the survivors will call their spiteful god, the Hunt, a devilish bow author, and some even will join warmongering borisins, just to return that pain to the alliance. Funny enough, the xianzhou are not even fully consistent in their distaste for the Abundance, because when it suits them, they will gladly use the technologies of abundance, like their signature starskiffs, that are not constructed, but grown like plants. And regarding Mara, xianzhou sees it as something like a fate worse than death, and for some it really is, but we have seen how disciples were able to control the metamorphosis, thus retaining their consciousness and sanity. If the price for immortality (and cool looking design like disciples have) is a few moments of pain, to no longer feel the pain of illness and erosion of time on the body, then sign me in. In the end, I hope we will meet Denizens of Abundance on our journey not purely as enemies, and get some characters from this faction, because while following the path of trailblazing, we should see and experience all perspectives, otherwise, it is just incomplete and thus, pointless.

[@RePhantomz]

The cliche immortality being bad is quite new tho. It used to be the opposite in media as a lot of story often shown immortality as the peak achievement and goal. In fact xienzhou inspiration are the immortals or celestial in both chinese and japanese literacy and they are often depicted as wise sage instead. And since i exposed to immortality being good much earlier this is quite interesting take.

[@charlestonho6733]

You get Mara stricken if you live too long

[@RePhantomz]

Keep in mind for xienzhou mara struck is not the main problem. To be fair our main info are heavily tipped towards lan and xienzhou side.And there is slight contradiction of both side propoganda. On xienzhou side they acclaimed the immortality caused scarcity of resource and since abbomination wont die while they can still reproducting, it exhausted xienzhou resource to the point it caused unrest. Meanwhile in abundance propaganda planet that was blessed by yaoshi wouldnt having resource issue as watet will never run dry. We need more info to find out who telling the truth. As dan shu said the role might be swapped if she met us first before tingyun, which i find a valid point. My main consideration is everything that happend in laofu are orcastrated by kafka. It is for her interest that we sided with lan and i am curious what is the reason for that.

[@MM-bn4rl]

@@RePhantomz That is true, xianzhou and denizens fight each other for hundreds of years, and because of it we can't trust each side fully. I think Ellio is planning to unite all fractions and Eons against Nanook and Legion, because every conflict is meaningless when all universe can be destroyed. I think that we will obtain every power of each path, destruction, preservation, hunt, and then abundance, and others.

[@MM-bn4rl]

@@RePhantomz that is true, if we look at myths and legends then this trope is relatively new on the time scale

[@ipocrita4825]

The problem of Abundance is that they give their blessing to everyone and everything. The problem of a Hunt is that in his vengeance he kills without second thoughts, even if with abundance he kills his own followers and innocents. Their gods and slaves of their Paths. And people are just trying to understand what gods want from them and please them, even if gods doesn't give a fuck.

[@wathh2033]

Like herta said followers are not understand Aeons and they create their own beliefs how they suit to them.Some people understand sometimes like Herta.

[@SSEBBlue]

I love humans, the good the bad the ugly all of it. We're interesting creatures capable of so much even in the creation of fiction itself it's all wonderful. Damn right I'd take the fruit so I could watch people for better or worse for all of eternity.

[@aoki395]

I can’t wait to learn more about the denizen of abundance. For now there is very info about them and their reason for taking the blessing of other civilizations blessed by Yaoshi besides power. Nor do we know the consequences that they suffer if any, whether it’s the same form as the Xianzhou or not.

[@viacrucishector1821]

Sorry boss, but I’m joining the war on Abundance on the side of Abundance. Abundance is a dream for small groups but for a society it is a nightmare. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a blessing, just one that if you let it get too extreme will destroy you. I’ll take the poisoned apple of eternity over a lifespan that lasts less than a century

[@orion7011]

It all depends on how you handle your eternity. There may be some races or societies out there that was able to adapt better than those humans. Obiviously if you procreate, then your society is going to need "elbow room" which would need for you to be on separate planets or ships, have a limit on how many offspring you can produce, have ability for people to work in chosen fields, have a really good resource management system etc. Just because your society failed doesn't mean that others won't. I'd take the pill after making sure that I didn't have any issues that would be problemsome after I became immortal - like cancer, genetic defects, etc.

[@burstlogic3457]

Same.

[@resdifer7744]

for me... sadly, the hunt is incompetent, because the meaning of hunt is to hunt and not utter annihilation unlike destruction. so the Alliance kinda got played around by these beings.

[@inthenameoftheworld]

It's funny how most youtubers just assign genders to the Aeons as they seem fitting when Aeons transcend the thought of gender as they are concepts/ideals personified 💀

[@prod.6ixsar]

does that bother you

[@inthenameoftheworld]

@@prod.6ixsar Nope, but it certainly is funny

[@yharnamiyhill787]

Fantastic lore summary well done. I'll be following you closely for insights!

[@ozerune]

I'd do it there's too much I want to do and there's always new things to learn so I don't think I would have the issue of getting sick of life like many are afraid of.

[@arjunsajith2198]

I will, fuck what my future self would think, Immortality is blessing for me

[@jikannomajo]

If I was a somewhat strong being with knowledge and capabilities tantamount to that of an Aeon, sure. I can just have this endless mission of helping other lesser beings as my never-ending distraction (AND I will make sure to think deeply of the possible consequences of my actions...) But if I'm just a normal person with just a normal life, that'll be hell. I dunno if it sounds like I switched things up, but immortality without this grand, bigger-picture purpose is such a waste. Good thing I personally don'tlike the concept of Immortality. It should be given to someone with overall a good, balanced, smart and compassionate will so they can make the most out of it.

[@AraYuannn]

Not going to lie I would take it out of curiosity, I would probably end up being like the xianzhou and following the hunt though if the result is very bad

[@Cake_eater34]

Witha technicality the abundance isnt evil when you think about it they abjsed their power they where gifted and yaoshi feels so bad to see someone die

[@misery4388]

Tbh, they know what they want. Abundance just give what they want "immortality" then blame abundance for immortality. Tbh, they all just short sight bcs if you immortal, ofc your population will keep increasing

[@youssefhmidy8107]

great video just one thing Aeons are gender neutral so it's a they/them

[@sabaseddigh1540]

Eh not really gender neutral, they are just a every meaning of these paths so they aren't humans, so humans use they/them because the aeons are their god essentially so ya not gender neutral just... a non human that does not need gender to exist

[@prod.6ixsar]

But if you think about it tho; it's basically the Xianzhou (idk how to spell it) and pathstriders of the Hunt's fault for accepting the "gift" of immortality in the first place. They should've took all things into consideration before making a decision on such an enticing offer

[@0v_x0]

FWIW they had nothing to do with the Hunt until Lan offered to help them fight back against mara etc, I don't think they had any idea what they were getting into which is the point

[@sannasanna962]

I would because I wanna see what will happen in the future

[@RePhantomz]

As my mc took the elixir so i will take the peach. My reason are closer to erudition and completely selfish as i am curious person and i want to learn all i can which is limited to my mortal body. As one of the option i pick as mc. I dont look for immortality as it is, i sought power that i can achieve by having it. Yep i do enjoybthe role play so much lol.

[@PulcinellaTheRooster]

Indeed I would most likely take the elixir not as a goal but as a means to an end. Immortality is only a tool to learn more about the universe and to experience many journeys across stars.

[@wolfyfluff7585]

I miss click that choice and make my mc took it

[@wolfyfluff7585]

​​@@PulcinellaTheRoosterut are we already immortal bc we have a stellron in us before the elixir

[@fightermaster]

All the problems with immortality sound like a problem for future me.

[@snonyabeeswax]

i think hes not evil at all id probably accept the fruit ngl XD

[@josearmandovalenciayoga]

Yaoshi is a he? 😮 Im gay, i feel represented by he hahahaha.

[@CelesNihility]

there's pronoun in Chinese that specifically used for deities, and it is genderless. all the aeons uses this genderless pronoun. so the video is technically incorrect. it is better to use "they". but then again, if u want to keep your own head canon, i m not one to complain about that kind of thing lol.

[@josearmandovalenciayoga]

@@CelesNihility i was joking but thanks for the info

[@youssefhmidy8107]

@@CelesNihility thank you for pointing this out. I hope he creator didn't do it on purpose

[@merika_3696]

Is Jing Yuan human? Is he a short life human?

[@Villanelle1783]

I'm so confused about yaoshi's true gender, is yaoshi a boy? A girl? A jet fighter? A helicopter? An octopus? A truck? A bus? Idk

[@WhatIsThePointOfThis6969]

Aeons are genderless

[@DontThinkaton]

Wait, isnt the abundance a woman?

[@thuantla]

They're genderless.

[@gwyn_ch]

Dark souls moment