Biggering Storyboard

[@XavierZara]

"Biggering" is what really happened, "How Bad Can I Be" is what you say in court

[@sofialozano4031]

Onceler was the one telling the story, so we could as well assume it actually WAS what happened and he just told the story as though it was the How Bad Can I Be to make it look less bad.

[@questionablemotivegirl6054]

Well said Dude!

[@Rammy1109]

Damnnnnn

[@zbroadcast3414]

Ted: So what happened after your Thneed started getting successful? Onceler: (Flashback of Biggering) ...It was my family’s fault. Really.

[@smbsuperfan271]

@@sofialozano4031 never thought of it like that. Damn that’s powerful. Alright you’ve created my new headcannon.

[@Alini_]

Dr Suess is crying that this wasn’t in the movie.

[@jelliforever8580]

Dr.Seuss crying sounds nice

[@pcvrisepic]

@@jelliforever8580 what

[@dirtyblnd]

@@jelliforever8580 everyone makes mistakes. if you ever became famous, and your life gets put under a glass, people can literally find the worst things you did and use that as reasons to dislike you. he changed, read deeper. he brought happiness to children all over the world before he died, and that's what matters.

[@pcvrisepic]

@@jelliforever8580 I know, but nobody really is, I don’t think it’s fair to put famous people under a glass of good and once you see something bad, to think of them as a bad person. Normal people do the same bad things as he did and everybody makes mistakes

[@justinus8608]

Everyone is crying this wasn't in

[@jokirb2739]

_"Here's an emotionally charged song that perfectly displays the Onceler's greed and also fits perfectly with the original narrative and theme of The Lorax."_ Illumination: *We don't do that here.*

[@absolite6]

Writers: _Creates Biggering_ Illumination: *Chopping block for this I think*

[@vigilabo3007]

I mean it hits to close to home for them

[@jokirb2739]

@@vigilabo3007 you mean close to home

[@vigilabo3007]

@@jokirb2739 ya, It was 4 in the morning for me Imao

[@kkTeaz]

@@vigilabo3007 you mean too?

[@dunkev4152]

I can't imagine how pissed the guy who sung his soul out for this song was when Illumination rejected it

[@astrobeth]

Ed helms

[@calibricalypso]

​@sanrio enjoyer Iirc, this is the demo, so Ed Helms himself never sang it, because the song didn't make it that far in the production process (which is a shame, really. We were robbed)

[@mairokindasus8807]

I would have loved to actually hear Ed Helms sing it, but yeah it's a shame that it got rejected in the first place

[@sloft-70]

@@mairokindasus8807 AI can do it, I mean Mr Krabs and Freddy Mercury sang it.

[@fernoagent8581]

​@@sloft-70that i a cursed sentence i don't want to hear it again

[@Trint3e]

The Lorax needs a faithful, dark, and ambiguous rock opera adaptation with a segmented version of HBCIB, more realistic and gradual character development, and Biggering as the finale.

[@geminfly]

Agreed.

[@pastel-axle3197]

Yes, yes and yes. I would most definitely watch that.

[@geminfly]

TESTMACORONI yeah same, I wanna get an animation program and make an hour long animation of how I wanted this movie to play out which won't happen until a couple of years because I need to go to an art college first.

[@MrStarman926]

TotallyAMetrocop this should NOT be the finale. It should be the end of act 1. The finale would be much better left on the ambiguous note of the original Seuss movie

[@MrStarman926]

Mercular yeah I think the idea of two plots is kind of interesting and they should make Teds motivation more than just impressing a girl

[@laurendelune7618]

This is so ironic that this got cut because of corporate greed

[@lucaspec7284]

how bad can they be xD

[@thegarshinator7178]

@@lucaspec7284 they were just biggering *ironic*

[@thereestersheetser543]

But ya know you can't really blame greed no that's stupid you see it has a little worm inside and that one always needs to feed and it's never satisfied you get it? and the more you try to find it the more it likes to hide and that's a NASTY little worm and I like to call it Pride

[@thegarshinator7178]

See? That's why they're biggering

[@justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247]

They won’t stop biggering and triggering more biggering

[@Mr_Awesome69]

I love this version of the Onceler, mainly because he's well aware of all the harm he's doing, he just doesn't give a shit

[@NerfTheLamp9]

Just like the original old movie

[@HellVirus0919]

Mhm

[@Bro-cx2jc]

Does this make the end of the song a villain's "heel-face turn" when he sees for the first time, the damage he's caused, through his past eyes rather than his present ones?

[@_TehTJ_]

Pretty much like in the book

[@bl_nk5047]

get help 🙏🙏

[@huntercool2232]

I like how in “How Bad Can I Be?” The Lorax is trying to save the trees, but in “Biggering” he’s trying to save the Onceler.

[@dearlybeloved4041]

i agree so much with this omg

[@MCFLURRYJESTER]

Dam bro this is good

[@huntercool2232]

@@MCFLURRYJESTER It wasn’t my comment unfortunately. I got it from another video, but it was just so good I thought I’d share it.

[@yg6484]

@@huntercool2232well I’m glad you did.

[@MikeWazowskixxx]

Exactly what the anti woke community is trying to do They don’t want to be against minorities they want misled black people to be grateful again

[@dividedtime8529]

I love the scene in the elevator, it shows his descent into the dark side and when Lorax said "Pride" you see the bottom of the elevator descending showing his "Pride" pulling him down since he doesn't want to admit to De Lorax's words. His "Pride" is making him refuse to admit that his "Pride" is pulling him down. Beautiful. Edit: Spelling

[@WhySoAnimated]

Thanks so much! That seq was my favorite bit to do.

[@soulangela7154]

It's such a gorgeous scene, I absolutely loved that too. The colour change, and as well as the lines being drawn harder around the eyes. Like he looks more and more annoyed as well. Like, actually starting to get fed up with what Lorax is telling him, as well as it being on the cue of him being called an idiot. I would absolutely have loved if this storyboard was used in movie, it's sooooo good. Also the mirror part!

[@thelastprotectorofoverain1035]

@@WhySoAnimated That was really interesting and I hope to see the final product soon

[@redpanda6497]

@@WhySoAnimated This storyboard is absolutely amazing.

[@binoobear9607]

@@WhySoAnimated I would love to see the updated one!

[@Titleknown]

This song, and a lot of the film's concepts that seem like they were heavily dialed down in terms of darkness, makes me think this film suffered from what Terry Pratchett calls "A script that had all the hallmarks of being good until the studio got to ot."

[@BillZypher]

+Thomas Johnson Pretty much showing the harm of corporate greed. Never thought that a moral could be so meta...

[@AvitalShtap]

@@BillZypher Imagine that was on purpose LOL

[@paladinboyd1228]

Mag Magnet, I wouldn’t be surprised. But that level of intelligence isn’t in Hollywood.

[@dracocrusher]

"We can't have a film without a villain, throw in an obvious bad guy." "Can't have a kids film without a love interest plot, make the movie about getting the seed to impress a girl! Gotta hook that female demographic." "Can't make a kids film without comic relief, got to shove in stuff like those successful minion guys we have." Meanwhile, in the original animated film....

[@firerulezz116]

It's Illumination, literally founded on the principle of making the cheapest films possible with the highest public appeal possible.

[@sev1011]

Although this song wasn't in the movie, let's all be grateful that we were able to hear it. We might of never knew that a song was created to truely represent the Lorax

[@brandonb4742]

Amen brother

[@Treeeee2008]

This could've been one of those lost media cases where the original draft for the movie was scrapped and none of it would be able to find online, luckily they added this and all of the other deleted songs to the official soundtrack.

[@ace_pro_gamer1]

The only reason its in the soundtrack is because the band the preformed it had clauses for it so it had to be in the movie and cd or just the soundtrack

[@totlicker]

kind of ruins the effect tho

[@captainkraken3550]

Hell yeah.

[@D3c4yingb0n3s]

“Hey why’d you cut biggering? Do you think it would scare the kids?” “No I think it would scare the adults.”

[@driveknight026]

Amazing comment

[@GigathanLifts]

"You think this would scare the kids?" "This will give parents nightmares" -Jurassic World

[@QrittneyWashington]

Lmao

[@Runninglizards]

Still an underrated comment

[@nunya6537]

@@GigathanLiftsIs that... good?

[@Benjamin-vl2oh]

People, just remember: This song is only a Demo. Imagine what we could have gotten.

[@nicholasmahoney7820]

Oh.....

[@gabrote42]

Wow....

[@MrsBunny-hg4yg]

What we “got” was a terrible pop song for children. They basically aren’t even the same song anymore.

[@clouds-rb9xt]

@@MrsBunny-hg4yg Well it's two different songs so yeah, I don't think anyone's arguing they aren't

[@salmonish891]

I don’t think you can get much better than this

[@theslickimpala5308]

I like how you portrayed the Lorax as more of the Oncler’s morality. When the Lorax was talking to him about greed, we could see the Lorax shadow but not him actually. And the Lorax rejecting the Oncler at the end symbolizes his morality being all lost.

[@dominicesquivel3901]

That’s how the Lorax should have been in the whole film.

[@anon4435]

And that he looks absolutely terrifying yelling “pride”. The Lorax, or rather the Onceler’s morality, should’ve been terrifying. A worthy contender, battling the Once-ler’s greed.

[@amnxji242]

@@anon4435 real he looked pretty scary yelling pride

[@WormTexture]

i saw "lorax shadow" and read ldshaowlady.

[@zbroadcast3414]

I feel like it also would have been a more interesting detail if throughout the song you saw less and less of the Oncler's face to the point he’s pretty much identical to the original greedy Oncler from the book.

[@SammyDrz]

Would go well with the whole "Faceless corporation" aspect too.

[@tigerlilykitty3281]

It would have been cool yes, although I think I heard that the point of giving him a face was to point out that normal, relatable people can become these corporate monsters. They aren’t all cardboard cutout villains like O’Hare.

[@GogiRegion]

Honestly, I was really surprised to see his face when I was a kid and went to see the Illumination movie.

[@noorshouman3047]

YOU GENIUS KAHSBKBAKBDIUWBX

[@danielhughes6556]

@@shadowspider9 And honestly, even with the companies that people most associate with the soulless corporation archetype, many of them only truly begin to display the greed and disregard for anything except profit after the face of the company stepped down and handed the company to someone else to manage. i.e. Walmart, Disney, Apple.

[@scrp6638]

Hear me out How Bad Can I Be still happens the same, being the Onceler telling Ted what happened It then cuts to the Onceler after Ted leaves, where he recalls what really went down, that being Biggering.

[@Cry_Crow.-.]

@ChonkoTheAzumarillprobably, because he does it on the original movie too

[@boogaloobender3462]

I thought the 2 songs should be just the once-ler at different points in his growth.

[@scrp6638]

@@boogaloobender3462 how bad can i be is him fantasising, and biggering is what he does? sounds pretty good too

[@ConeHeadMan1]

Biggering is the oncelers song, how bad can i be is o hares

[@Cry_Crow.-.]

@goober81 he does it in both movies and the book

[@Vespercold]

this was cut to make the movie more relatable think about that, they were literally biggering

[@PeeperSnail]

The problem is that they didn't handle the Onceler well in the film. Biggering or How Bad Can I Be, no matter which was chosen in the end, would have still been a shitty attempt at making him relatable if they didn't properly developed his character. The shift from well-intentioned hipster to greedy smug fucker was too quick that even the fandom that came out of this movie had a hard time acting like the two were the same person.

[@FuzzyLittleBastard]

I think if they had focused on the Onceler instead of ted it would have been a MUCH better movie

[@louche2388]

remember the lorax approved SUV commercials? "AND THE PR PEOPLE ARE LYING"

[@LadyYukihyo]

I agree. The biggest problem of this show is they focused on Ted so they lighten Onceler's personality and moral as well.

[@PokeTube]

Gingereenio And It's A Kids Movie So No Smoking A Cigar.

[@angie.castle]

I like how the Lorax here talks that Pride is what feeds Greed. Not talked about enough. There's a reason why pride is considered the deadliest of the sins

[@1_____________________]

Although it is true, the answer isn't as simple as trying to shut your pride off. Pride is your identity, getting rid of your pride would imply getting rid of one's self. Letting that "worm" grow out of control, that's where the problem is.

[@sheevhernandez3869]

Like vegeta because he allow cell become perfect, became evil again by allowing babbity controlling him for a bit and when he fought perfect cell, he allow his pride come our and he was defeated. Pride may as well be the most dangerous sin in the world because it can hurt like vegeta and other heros/villans in the past. Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

[@SunScourge]

"This is all so gratifying"...

[@artemiostriantafyllou7986]

@@1_____________________ agree, except pride is not your "identity", it's not the nucleus of your existence.

[@geardestroy]

Wnating better things is not a bad thing, but when you only care about yourself and having power, and you hurt others for it, then youre just feeding your ego, greed and pride are not bad in istelfs, its when you take them to the extremes when you stop caring and start hurting

[@louche2388]

*_You will never get to watch a dark, rock opera version of The Lorax_* I could just cry

[@foolofhearts4553]

cutie patootie SAME

[@elpatoarcade2320]

Just end it

[@twinkiesmaster69]

life ain't worth it

[@maniakk3563]

I mean the original lorax wasnt meant to be a comedy. Sure it was cartoony because it's Dr. Seuss, but it was supposed to be a semi-dark story with a serious environmental message

[@alvarodoismil]

If they do another Lorax remake i hope they make it actually good and put this song (when it belongs)

[@billcipher147]

Y'all gotta keep in mind, this was just one song. It would've been extremely weird for only this one song to be so dark, so it's safe to assume that the rest of the movie would've followed suit in tone had this gone through. One can only imagine just how powerful this movie's message would have been, and likely was planned to be at some point. A movie about corporate greed ended up being ruined by corporate greed. The joke practically writes itself, and yet I don't feel like laughing.

[@ladyalicent705]

Okay but “A movie about corporate greed ended up being ruined by corporate greed. The joke practically writes itself, yet I don’t feel like laughing” is an absolutely raw fucking line. Have you ever considered becoming a writer Mr Bill Cipher?

[@8is]

I hope we will one day get a movie where the capitalist will look down upon all his work, all he has accomplished, all the consequences of his work, se all those who have damned him, accused him of exploitation, short-sightedness and how god will send him straight to hell and realize one single thing: it just doesn't matter; they were all wrong and he was right. Kind of how Huck, at the end of "Huckleberry Finn", determines his own morality against that of his community, his state and his god and feels like a should be the villain and yet is surprised at how he simply isn't.

[@D3c4yingb0n3s]

In the original version of the opening song the towns people were actually supposed to hate how fake thneedville was. It was going to be them singing about how great things are while things just casually go wrong. Sort of like they’re singing to cope. It was supposed to acknowledge how messed up thneedville was from the start, and how the people knew that but felt they couldn’t do anything. This movie could have been so metal.

[@diegosanchez5412]

@@D3c4yingb0n3sHearing this made me hate the final product even more.

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@D3c4yingb0n3s also that originally Ted was not going to be a simp, he was going to be a greedy and selfish child who only wanted the tree to be the first child in the city to have one since there are no real trees in Thneedville, you can hear that in the demo, another fact is that in part of the song a hill is mentioned with the name of its founder (el onceler) that will become a pizza chain, implying how materialistic and consumerist they became, There are more interesting parts in the demo that I don't know if I can mention everything, this song along with the other songs removed from the Lorax indicates that the movie was going to be very different and more faithful to the original book, a shame

[@tokka7954]

This song actually fits what the Dr Seuss's original Lorax was aiming for with the Onceler

[@Sleepy12ftPanda]

That's why Illumination hated it.

[@Iluvtallyhallsm]

yes it did

[@an8strengthkobold360]

So much better

[@ahorribleterribleperson]

When a movie that is supposed to be a commentary of the atrocities and dangers of big, soulless corporations is handled and produced by a big, soulless corporation The Lorax is what you get.

[@drawnwithlove3499]

@@ahorribleterribleperson probably cuz Illumination is a big, selfish company

[@gplgs4640]

Illumination scrapping a song that would have objectively made The Lorax a better movie overall and properly conveyed the message of the real Lorax story in a dark tone, solely for more profits, is the most Illumination move ever

[@con_jer]

Its especially funny given the theme of the lorax

[@randomcat5262]

hypocritical of illumination. they probably pulled the plug and said that "Biggering" was too anticorporate since they made them seem evil despite conscious, and replaced a song that said corporations were evil due to ignorance, which the big corporation was more OK with since it gave them a better excuse when something actually bad happens.

[@jeanmichellelaurent]

Illumination are the anti dreamworks, They care more about fart jokes, and toys than the message, Unlike dreamworks who use a bit of goof off humour to keep the kids happy, but not shit all over the true narrative message.

[@seeyoulateralligator2640]

it’s so ironic considering the message of this song 😭

[@WakerOfTheSky]

It would’ve destroyed zootopia if they put this song in the movie

[@madz2013]

Imagine the emotional impact this would've had.

[@EyeOfArgus]

Unfortunately Illumination doesn’t like taking risks

[@yatzibe]

they preferred the catchiness of "how bad can i be" /neg

[@justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247]

Well we would have to change a bit like give some build up to this and than make the movie more darker so that this doesn’t feel out of place in the movie also so it feels more like the book and than we got a good movie on our hands

[@anib8863]

@@justsomeguywhoishalfghoul7247 The original script was probably much different then what we got, this would have likely fit in context of said script.

[@theguestkid5651]

yup

[@BottoBobbs]

Imagine how insane Tumblr would go if this song made it into the final cut

[@estrella-om7tu]

oh no

[@LatteCappucinoCamellia]

The wouldnt be able to handle themselves lmao

[@trixsanimations5109]

Yeah we wouldn’t, trust me. Edit: Sorry I meant *would*

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@trixsanimations5109 I wish

[@florantlover5554]

​@@trixsanimations5109he speaks for the tumblrs

[@bazookaburnzgrease9576]

Wow this is just so….human…in a way that most don't like to ponder.

[@minespatch]

Unfortunately the execs rather stick to "hipster" than sage advice for quality.

[@bazookaburnzgrease9576]

It's sad that when I was a kid, we had songs like "Hellfire" and "In the dark of the night" in our movies but this is somehow too dark now.

[@GalaxiaStars]

+BazookaBurnz Grease It is ! It doesn't try to make any excuses for the Onceler. The song full on addresses the fact that he made a choice to keep indulging in this unhealthy form of consumerism. That it was a result of him just refusing to self reflect on his actions that led to the Truffula forest being nearly wiped out. And I love that.

[@bazookaburnzgrease9576]

@raffle baffle This comment is six years old damn bro.

[@EtamirTheDemiDeer]

God forbid we hold up a mirror to the audience and the executives

[@voidishprattles4319]

Imagine Danny Devito giving us a rock speech about greed and pride. They took that from us.

[@Logmao.]

Yeah

[@Saul_Bueno]

As they say in south park; “THEY TOK R SUNG!”

[@LuckyRare]

To be fair it'd be an odd message to send if you compare greed to a pet "Feeding pets is bad." XD

[@WitchHunter93]

@@LuckyRare I think the messaging is that if you overfeed your greed then it gets out of control and always wants food. So it's kind of like an obese dog that won't control itself.

[@LuckyRare]

@@WitchHunter93 But at the same time "If you feed it, it'll just get hungry again" applies to every living being. Generally you shouldn't feed greed at all.

[@billyweed835]

Meanwhile, in a better universe then our own...

[@a-s-greig]

🌸🌸 **UNLESS** 🌸🌸

[@holyhot-chocolate]

I need to build a machine to get there

[@floweyfangirl69420]

an AU where Illumination is the best animation studio and Disney is the worss

[@boipoi_78]

@@floweyfangirl69420 Disney isnt the best either, theyre just the biggest one out there and they make incrdibly shitty decisions most of the time, but they still manage to create some true gems here and there.

[@floweyfangirl69420]

@@boipoi_78 ik, but they created some gems on the other hand, we have Illumination with only… despicable me being their good movie

[@Tractor5015]

"Why are you trying? This thing is for childern, come on dumb it down a bit" A producer probably

[@Rain_Sparrow]

Like dude I'm so angry this wasn't in the movie, I get that it has a message that corporations do know what they ate doing and that's shit and how bad can I be has opposite BUT COME ON

[@russman3787]

@@Rain_Sparrow There was no way this was going to fly with the corporate overlords. It's too real, and too accurate.

[@Titleknown]

Anyone else have a hunch that this film was meant to be waaaaaaay darker until it got watered down to what we have now by the execs? This certainly gives credence to that hypothesis...

[@carmena.gonzalezrios8372]

J. Han at least Zootopia conserved it’s original message and turned out to be good unlike the Lorax

[@PikaChu-fr4fq]

What if we got a Tim Burten remake :O

[@VeloxFox]

I actually did have a hunch when I watched the film on its screening. I knew there was a darker story behind there (I was not a dumb kid)

[@sad-4ss]

@ouh ́ would have* i also agree... so so so much. I wonder why the film was cut so that it doesn't paint corporations in such a dark color hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@wildfire9280]

@Big Deo if it does happen though, I'd love to see Illumination in particular face some comeuppance

[@moosecannibal8224]

The darkest and best part imo is when he's rationalising it to himself by talking about how a company's an animal, and it's needing fed to survive and that it's (in a sense) part of nature itself. Really adds a lot of personality that is missing from the song that's actually featured in the movie. (I like it, just damn this would have been great fully animated).

[@drawnwithlove3499]

Isn't that how abuse works

[@asdfghjk1576]

There was a similar type of lyric in “how bad can I be”, but it’s def better in this song since it sounds more genuine and emotional

[@alexpyndus4702]

My favorite part is when he's on the balcony near the switch with the Lorax and he's deciding to switch it or not, then when he looks at the crowd he choses to switch it. It really shows how much he was dedicated to the company and how greedy he was.

[@notto5937]

The animal that eats has got to scratch and bite and punch, And the animal that doesn't is someone else's lunch.

[@moosecannibal8224]

@@aliensexist1661 I'm not denying that it is also that, simply that it also implies what I was saying through subtle implications.

[@slucarios]

Everyone feels bad for the singer, but imagine how bad the composer feels.

[@ciarafirth6784]

Like that’s so much work to put into a song that’s going to be cut

[@World-Bass_Mapper]

I think they knew the song was going to be cut.They just wanted to give the message.

[@accountlol7409]

@@World-Bass_Mapper I mean shove it in illumination’s face that they’re greedy

[@idot3331]

Considering this is just a demo of the song, I don't think the singer would ever be the voice actor of the actual onceler character. It's just a demonstration of the song by the music production team, not the final thing.

[@captainkraken3550]

True,bro,True!

[@spud4056]

idk how to explain it, but I feel like the onceler looks a lot more intimidating and scary in this storyboard than he does in the actual film

[@lemonoid7793]

probably because since it is a storyboard, the face isn't given details with makes it seem more like he, who used to be innocent, because a greedy person and anyone can turn into him. Also because his eyes are almost never seen and when they are, they look like he is insane

[@estela654]

@@lemonoid7793 that makes sense

[@estela654]

@@lemonoid7793 Considering that the eyes are the window of the soul, he wants to say that he has no soul.

[@DeterminismisFreedom]

It baffles you? Really? It baffles you a corporation didn't go with an anti-corporation message and instead went with defanged "recycle, kids, that's how you save the planet" message?

[@wildfire9280]

@@lemonoid7793 But as the song alludes to, greed can’t be blamed when it’s really being driven by pride.

[@xoidparhsin]

this makes the onceler seem like an actual villain rather than a guy who did an “oopsie” and ruined the environment

[@account7117]

Yeah. A villain that doesn’t care for the environment if he gets money would’ve been so much more realistic. Sometimes there are just bad people in the world.

[@Uhshawdude]

The onceler isnt even treated as a villain in the movie, they infantilize him by taking away his responsibility for the actions of his company. He’s easily manipulated by his cartoonishly evil family, who are made that way to distance them from real industrialists. The onceler in the song is repeating what many real people have told themselves to assuage their guilt for their companies crimes. This change pulls any sort of anti capitalist messaging right out of the movie.

[@anitaxin7329]

But his mom convinced him lol

[@xoidparhsin]

@@anitaxin7329 you could use that argument but still, if this song was used it would make him sound like he has no remorse for his actions.

[@Mr.Smeghead]

But- but I didn't MEAN to destroy all the wildlife, I promise it wasn't my fault! My mom convinced me! I swear it was an accident! Anyway, on a side note, Thneeds are now half price.

[@yoboibeerus1387]

"who cares if SOME THINGS are dying!" You almost had the balls illumination, you almost had the balls...

[@peepeepoopoomyguy7457]

Now,it has hen

[@KallenMalefic]

Think about it. The writers knew this song wasn't going to make it. But they wrote it anyway. They had it sung. They had the SB made. Why? Because one way or another, they wanted to say "fuck you" the the companies.

[@stingray12323]

There's a similar line in "how bad can I be" but this one is more darker tone

[@Rancord123]

@@KallenMalefic never thought of it this way, it makes a whole lot of sense tbh

[@xleplayVA]

The difference between the how bad can i be vs this one is who has agency and knowledge of the actions. Its darker cause in this one the onceler knows he is straight up killing animals and other things than trees as a result of his actions, yet he keeps going. Im thinking about making a rough 3d versio. Of this as i 3d model for a hobby, and seeing how it turns out put to this cut song. See how good it couldve really been

[@NicheNobody]

The “Who cares if *some things* are dying?!” Would’ve hit so much harder to the audience. Especially since in the film we all got to know and love the adorable furry creatures the oncelor met.

[@d3cay1ngaway33]

There is a similar line in how bad can I be ("who cares if a few trees are dying") but I feel like it's over emphasized unlike in biggering where the lyrics are more subtle

[@thelegendarybloxycola4727]

@@d3cay1ngaway33 It also says "few" instead of "some".

[@GreekTurkey]

@@thelegendarybloxycola4727 and "trees" instead of "things." It creates plausible deniability and removes autonomy, where this song doesn't.

[@lelacorbin5986]

Yeah

[@m00nsickn3ssx6]

Facts

[@Oskir_Schlickarsson]

Not the creators of hop and minions making a villain song on the same level as hellfire and just scrapping it 💀💀

[@estrella-om7tu]

Blame that on Illumination, who didn't want the song because it described what they did and they didn't want to accept it.

[@Oskir_Schlickarsson]

@@estrella-om7tu fax tho

[@sudokuacrobatics]

​@@estrella-om7tuActually comcast I think, since a whistle blower from illumination said it themselves, and I find it VERY believable in that case, I never heard a good thing from comcast, illumination at least made this at one point.

[@Adrian-Abu]

Holy shit, that elevator scene was absolutely perfect.

[@bananabird1844]

it was, 4 year old comment.

[@ackewtful.]

@@bananabird1844 i see many people are coming back to this

[@burymyreflection]

@@ackewtful. same

[@mega6662]

Minister ZazBog 4 years old comment*

[@bananabird1844]

Mega 666 new thanks for reminding me.

[@TheJackish90]

You know, "How Bad Can I Be?" is essentially the Kidz Bop version of "Biggering," someone said once. I don't remember where I heard that though, but it's not wrong.

[@hunnybunny3211]

Yo funny

[@Errlich]

I think it was on the music video of biggering (auto gen by youtube)

[@Errlich]

Sadly KZbin decided to turn off comments on auto generated videos (for some reason) but I think I know the exact words. "How Bad Can I Be is the Kidz Bop version of this song" You got the comment almost right.

[@TheJackish90]

@@Errlich Yeah, that's where it was! We shouldn't let that message die, my friend.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@Errlich Why did KZbin decide to do that? It was a great way to discussed music, and sometimes had the highest quality of the songs uploaded.

[@sterling7]

What's heart-wrenching is that this song- not "How Bad Can I Be"- comes with the realization that the Lorax isn't just trying to save the trees. He's trying to save the Once-Ler.

[@absolite6]

That's deep.....and heartbreaking.

[@hunnybunny3211]

You are accurate sir

[@livinglegend9709]

That my friend is another reason I like this song

[@BadNyaruko]

Lorax is the conscience of Once-Ler.

[@spookyho5994]

bruh, don’t make me cry rn-

[@Difelder]

I am just glad they actually released this to the public cause man I love this song

[@Spidercola]

This is fan made lol

[@Blueskiiiiii]

​@@Spidercola nuh uh

[@Spidercola]

@@Blueskiiiiii read the description

[@getaround1276]

@Spider the storyboard is fan-made but the song is official

[@Spidercola]

@@getaround1276 I’m not stupid I know that’s not the point of the comment

[@Hypnos-lw3fn]

The line "Who cares if some things are dying" gives me a mental image of a barbaloot being killed by one of those axe machines

[@КолаПень3]

Damn...

[@hunnybunny3211]

That must be terrifying.

[@thelastprotectorofoverain1035]

Well, in how bad they say trees, but things mean yea, its not just the trees, its the animals, the air, and the environment

[@hunnybunny3211]

@@thelastprotectorofoverain1035 good point 😉👍

[@Jake-kt7ws]

I feel bad for laughing

[@TGOM22]

"OH NO! This song is too close to what we are actually like! We need to cut it from the movie!!!"

[@Коларайона3]

Illumination all the time)

[@deadacc6338]

facts

[@valentinafoley1387]

sad, isn't it.

[@TGOM22]

@@valentinafoley1387 yep

[@brendaluv2017]

i hear ya

[@FlynnBTerrens]

Biggering is what actually happened How bad can i be is just the way the Onceler told the story to that little kid

[@BabyGhast4]

Y’know what, this is an answer I’d be happy with. Imagine if there was a bonus short or maybe even another film that was about how the Onceler lied to the kid as it shows what really happened with this song being the main moment in the film/short.

[@theultimatememelord5494]

This is now my headcanon.

[@PrincessGalaxia9]

That is hilarious and super realistic at the same time.

[@PrincessGalaxia9]

@@BabyGhast4 DUDE omg yes that'd be perfect

[@videoms1271]

That's actually pretty smart. He wouldn't try to portray himself as a soulless monster, rather as a businessman

[@boogaloobender3462]

I have absolutely no idea how nobody in Once-ler's company thought to harvest the seeds from the truffula trees they chopped down lmao

[@Illusion397-]

yeah they were kinda.. 🫡

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

It's kinda the point. They were so greedy, so prideful, so careless, that they ended up biggering so much that the only thing they had left to eat to bigger, was themselves..

[@devontheundivided9815]

Company property hand them over

[@dionaeamuscipula6649]

Say that to the people chopping down the amazon 🫠

[@devontheundivided9815]

@@dionaeamuscipula6649 lmao you actually believe in the amazon?

[@phrinus]

I mean, I see the irony. The Once-ler cuts the trees. They cut the songs. Biggering it is.

[@absolite6]

Chop chop......

[@odinudin4313]

Wow..

[@sasukes.6370]

at the end of the day, it is a corporation that makes this movie and has to promote it. they can't wound their ego too much so they just decide to cut the song for that reason and then make some lame excuse about it being too "dark" (despite knowing most kids wouldn't actually understand or pay attention)

[@I_am_somebody_1234]

Big corp needed some biggering of its own

[@pashenka1546]

@@sasukes.6370 Not to mention, most of Dr. Seuss’ books had really dark meanings and messages behind it.

[@twiggy3638]

I will never forgive them for ruining the animal that doesn’t winds up someone else’s lunch. It’s so powerful here but there it was just annoying and came across as childish. This is a masterpiece and illumination is symptomatic of the very problem the movie was SUPPOSED to talk about.

[@xloisx4603]

They made ‘How Bad Can I Be’ just a goofy song so now it’s a meme. If they kept Biggering, it wouldn’t really be a meme song, it would be more of a song that would make people want to re-watch the film.

[@audreyii6750]

Even better in "Biggering" the the metaphor is/works as a call back to the conservative push to make corporations "people" under the law. A corporation isn't a person/animal. It's not alive. It won't starve unlike real animals/people. But businessmen still push that lie. At his worst, _this_ Onceler is indistinguishable from real businessmen who do/say anything to keep making more & more money, including destroy the environment & cause irreparable harm to people & animals. In "How Bad Can I Be" at his worst the Onceler is naïve & unaware of how much damage he's _really_ doing, something not true to life when it comes to billion dollar corporations. They know exactly what they're doing. Every time I come back to "Biggering" I get mad all over again!

[@jessicacreed7773]

Love how they kept the exact lines about the survival of the fittest in how bad can I be *except* for the part about corporations lmao that's not telling is it

[@Cobalt985]

@@audreyii6750 I'm mad for both that reason and also the fact this song straight fuckin' SLAPS and I can't believe I didn't get to hear this in the theater

[@technotrapper]

Its why no one likes their suess movies

[@theradicalace]

honestly, what kind of movie did we miss out on that had this song in it??? like, the cheesy movie that we got could've never had anything like this, so WHAT was the first draft of the lorax like to allow for this banger of a song??

[@ahnalbeets774]

Samantha Adams Some executive: “Yeah, this is a great song and everything Jim, but the focus testing is saying that we need MORE POP TUNES, otherwise we run the small risk of only making a FRACTION of the potential profits! You wouldn’t want us to, god forbid, take CREATIVE RISKS? Would you?” At least that’s how I imagine things went all those years ago.

[@soulite2574]

Because Illumination cares more about "biggering" themselves.

[@dosdoomguy2285]

The message is more important than the song and sadly kids are more into easy listening pop songs than rock ballads.

[@Marcelelias11]

But the chart says...

[@alvarodoismil]

It was always the same, except Ted wanted a Whosit (whatever that is) instead of Audrey and in first drafts the Once-ler was a bug instead of a person

[@sclint1427]

I know this is just a storyboard but at 4:09 the way the Lorax horrifyingly looks at the Onceler, knowing he wont stop is brilliant as it is haunting

[@theshockinglyeloquentdog9945]

can you imagine being the writer and storyboard artists who worked on this only for it to be scrapped for shallow bubblegum pop trash?

[@a-s-greig]

That's showbiz.

[@thommygoot7696]

@@a-s-greig And ironically, biggering.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

You make it sound like pop music is bad

[@theshockinglyeloquentdog9945]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 It's not good

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@theshockinglyeloquentdog9945 The same thing can be said about any other music genre

[@Protato_Gamer]

Reasons why this song wasn’t used: 1: if they used it kids may feel slightly weird and they might even have to think and that wouldn’t sell as many toys. That’s it. Thanks illuminations

[@Treeeee2008]

That's all companies care about when making children's movies these days, selling toys, not telling a story or expanding a world, only promoting products for gullible children to pester their parents to buy, I understand that companies have to make money to keep making movies but they could at least do it in a less douchey way.

[@gabrielegenota1480]

@@Treeeee2008 Well yeah- that's kinda what the biggering song criticizes kinda- Companies do things for profit. That's the main incentive- making shitty movies that sell is profitable.

[@unicornman147]

the other reason: it hurt corporate feelings

[@RicoLightning]

Ironic that the song about greedy corporations was cut out of the movie by a greedy corporation

[@inv3rted_moment884]

The reason biggering was cut is because Illumination wanted to keep biggering…

[@tokenofdreams]

“if the customers are buyin’ and the money multiplyin’... who cares if some things are dyin’?” DUDE that line is so good why didn’t it get into the actual movie?? oh wait, because illumination was too scared to face the reality of corporate greed and consumerism in a kids movie because they were afraid it’d be “too dark”

[@christopherc5456]

Ilumination: BUtt iTS noT kID FRIendLY

[@ericjohnson6120]

plausible deniability. "some things are dyin'" got censored to "a few trees are dyin"?

[@peepeepoopoomyguy7457]

@@christopherc5456 I agree with illumination studios.i was scared in a bad way.

[@sharkpopsharkie]

That line is actually in the song weirdly enough but its washed out and forgotten because of the poppy and oblivious tone its hard to understand the songs message there are some things that stayed but they became washed out and over time lost their meaning and just became another line

[@stupidenby]

@@peepeepoopoomyguy7457 that’s the point

[@OctavianAfton]

"the more you try to find it, the more it likes to hide. Now listen, that is a nasty little worm, I like to call it... pride!" absolute fire!

[@kryph1]

I'm scared that i can genuinely vibe to a song that was made for that Lorax movie

[@darkink1915]

That’s illumination ruining good things for ya

[@КолаПень3]

@@darkink1915 illumination:.......well....money, money, minions....

[@Fireball_Productions]

Same

[@whyrwehere]

@@КолаПень3 illumination has three Ms movies,money,minions

[@is_ley]

Y'all didn't vibe to the Lorax songs before? SMH!

[@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419]

That elevator ride perfectly symbolises his descend into greed Man what a song what a story we lost

[@anohterguy1394]

We didn’t loose it we just can’t see it in tv/the big screen

[@pizzadragon2699]

I also like that the lighting turns red, implying that he's descended into another horrible place he can never escape from...

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

We lost it to corporate greed, my friend

[@lucasisofdarkness5423]

It shows an actually realizing whats happening and just not caring

[@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419]

​@@anohterguy1394yeah ik and im happy it still exists in its own way, and the Story Board makes it more ambigious to how it actually looks like in my Head Canon for example all of this takes Place in a giant Desert devoid of any Life But it would have bin a completely different movie when this Massage would have bin carried out Mr O-Hare is just such a cartoony Villian he represents nothing the Onceler is such a way more interesting Villian for this whole thing All im saying is this had Potential and i would have loved to have seen this Alternative Version of this movie especially since Dr Sues wasnt such a ....great guy himself

[@Andrea-zo4qy]

I like how he doesn’t just say he “wants” a bigger office or he “wants” a bigger chair, he NEEDS it. It really shows just how greedy he’s gotten that he can’t distinguish between a want and a need.

[@Sleepy_Melodiess]

@mrbeastt ok? XD

[@ssgpizzalover515]

same its a good touch

[@zzodysseuszz]

No shit. The song was not being subtle at all with that message. Not even remotely Edit: you guys are braindead. You actually thought you were making valid responses to me by claiming you weren’t trying discover a hidden message. If you weren’t trying to discover a hidden message than your comments were literally the floor is made of flood joke. You LITERALLY repeated the entire message of the song. The song is literally about the onceler becoming greedier and greedier until he becomes consumed by his greed completely. That was the entire point of the song, you just told me that you liked what the song was literally fundamentally singing about and then tried to act like it was outrageous of me to say it was obvious. Grow up you’re embarrassing yourself. You were literally belittling and mocking me for saying the obvious was obvious as if it’s an outrageous thought. Holy shit. You have all reached peak idiocy

[@BurningBridgeStudios]

@@zzodysseuszz I wonder what you morons are actually thinking when you say stuff like this. Like.. I don't get it? Did you think he was purposely trying to find some secret message? I feel like you people want to look smarter but it always makes you look like an idiot that has a low reading comprehension.

[@venusianblivet9518]

To be fair the distinction is arbitrary

[@Ripred25680]

Don’t forget we also lost “YOURE ALL GOING TO JAIL!” So many scrapped things could’ve saved the movie

[@zombiefvckerr]

literally this song and 'you're all going to jail!' could've been the only good parts of a hellhole movie

[@estela654]

also the demo songs of the movie and the original ideas that could turn the movie into a good movie

[@Popgurliess]

But instead we get funny yellow guy and YOU DIRTY DIRTBAG and the meme pop song

[@Mihael_Lugo]

​@@zombiefvckerrp

[@WEYYYY874]

@@Popgurliessand let it grow 😄🔫

[@kanyungonzales2920]

“I don’t wanna hear you crying” gave me chills omg whyyyyy did they scrap this

[@notmakingcontent]

It hit too close to home

[@rcr257]

greed

[@broncos435]

i think they swung too far in the other direction and made him a lot closer to the semi-parody o'hare was. sure, he's supposed to be evil, but they made him relish it a bit too much imo

[@SuperMechSonic]

Darkness

[@SuperMechSonic]

@@rcr257 well no it was dark

[@ArtsyStarleta]

Honestly the writers act as if they had to choose between this and HBCIB, but like, do they not understand what an amazing reprise to HBCIB this could have been?

[@louche2388]

You make it sound as if they came out and discussed their reasons for changing things. They didn't. The director vaguely alluded to this song on the commentary, that's it.

[@jodgee2374]

I listened to the commentary. It sounded like they wanted the movie to have a more "ironic" tone so it could be light-hearted and fun.

[@louche2388]

Jodgee The Lorax was never lighthearted or fun, though. That's just inappropriate.

[@jodgee2374]

No Face but we've GOT to have MONEY!!!!

[@louche2388]

Jodgee topical, I like it

[@bored_potato]

"Who cares if some *things* are dying?" is a whole lot scarier--and hits more close to reality, than just "Who cares if a few trees are dying?"

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

Right? That line implies that he’s legit killed some of the creatures or even workers either on accident or on willful ignorance, and the sad part is that’s basically how a majority of companies are. If I recall there’s a story of a pretty big mining company (can’t remember the name) completely covering up MANY fatal accidents in the workplace and it never came out till years later, and when it did they made a half-assed clearly corporate apology without giving the families compensation at all.

[@Bluerockpie]

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 Honestly, companies that are discovered to have done this kind of crap should be forced to dissolve and the heads of the company should be arrested, and not be given the option to pay using money, or if the option is available, it should be high enough to put them in finantial ruin.

[@sebastiantucto5647]

Not only that but the way he sings it makes clearer his evilness

[@davifernandopereiraborges5168]

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 i never thinked he may also be refering to workers,but surely he is killing lots and lots of animal because of how they not got food and surely got intoxicated by polution,plants are also living beings and they are all dying.

[@whadayadoin3300]

@@Bluerockpie you say as you're typing on one of those computers those companies manufacture

[@narsilthefreak6171]

2:08 *That is a nasty little worm... And I like to call it PRIDE* This movie could've left a gigantic mark if they'd chosen to take this route. The Lorax's bit about unrestrained greed and personal pride is so real it burns.

[@XbotOfficialYT]

I saw a comment somewhere, it read, "How bad can I be was how the onceler explained it to the kids, and Biggering is what actually happened."

[@screemuproductions8924]

Not kids, Ted.

[@XbotOfficialYT]

@Screemu Productions Well, I meant kids as in like, the children watching the movie, but yeah it can also be interpreted like that

[@OSCSHITPOST]

​@@screemuproductions8924Biggering could be canon thinking about it

[@OSCSHITPOST]

Kinda reminds me of those "when i hit my sibling" memes

[@wishuboo]

I see it more like, How bad can I be is the version the once-ler told the lawyers and Biggering is what really happened, lol

[@cinco5555]

Hey everybody--Cinco Paul here, I wrote the lyrics to "Biggering" (John Powell wrote the music) and it means so much to me how many of you have embraced this song. We personally loved it, but as many of you have guessed the higher-ups thought it was too dark for the movie. The tales I could tell about making this movie! Anyway, I'm going to let John know about this--I'm sure he'll be thrilled. Thank you, Gloria, for this amazing storyboard, and thanks to all of you for your great comments about the song. I'm so glad it finally found its audience.

[@GloriaDrewThis]

That means SO much. Thank you Cinco!!

[@Andrea-zo4qy]

If you don't mind sharing, what were some of those tales? How did you get involved? What was your favourite part about making it? Also Biggering is dope af.

[@cinco5555]

@@Andrea-zo4qy Audrey Geisel (Mrs. Seuss) was really happy w/ our writing on Horton Hears a Who, so together w/ Chris Meledandri we approached her about The Lorax, my favorite Seuss book. I specifically wanted it to be a musical as a way to expand the book, and creating the songs was definitely my favorite part. It was frustrating having "Biggering" rejected, as well as being forced to make Ted's motivation his crush on Audrey, make the story much more of a buddy picture than we'd wanted, etc., etc., but overall although I know it's a far from perfect movie I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. But much happier with Horton and Despicable Me!

[@brightsky9749]

Words can't explain how wonderful and talented you guys are!!! Don't let anybody tell you guys otherwise.This song is so on point.Thank you so SO much for this.You guys are legendary!!

[@Andrea-zo4qy]

@@cinco5555 That's so cool! I always wondered what went on behind the making of these kinds of movies, thanks for sharing :)

[@pottmoontherealthe]

Corporate greed is scary. The Lorax story is dark. If you don't wanna confront that reality, and try not to scare children, why make a Lorax movie then? Thats the whole point of the story.

[@wandanemer2630]

They did it for THE CASH.

[@IL_801]

Because funny fuzzy orange man does silly dance and makes Illumination the big bucks. Lol

[@Doublemonk0506]

Because they never learned the lesson of those who were biggering

[@tiffanysantacruz6099]

Money bruh they are hypocrites that don’t wanna scare off their cash bags

[@chameleoncove]

Also, why were you making this movie for children? This would have been fine as a PG movie.

[@smoldragon339]

This song gives "Hellfire" a run for it's money. It sucks so much that we were robbed of it, especially since Lorax SHOULD be an unapologetically dark story.

[@estrella-om7tu]

What do you mean by hellfire?

[@estrella-om7tu]

Well actually, originally the movie was going to be darker and closer to the original book, this song is not the only one removed, there are more songs that are on the soundtrack that if you listen to them you will realize what the plot was originally going to be like.

[@smoldragon339]

@@estrella-om7tu "Hellfire" is the villain song of Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame". It's widely considered to be one of the best villain songs ever, as well as one of the darkest.

[@smoldragon339]

@@estrella-om7tu Thanks! I'll have to give the rest of the soundtrack a listen

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@smoldragon339 I think there are similarities in biggering and hellfire

[@Sunspot9522]

Illumination say they changed this because it would be too scary for kid, when really I think it was because it was too scary for them.

[@redacted5078]

yeah. Imagine a big company lowkey exposing themselves

[@deadacc6338]

yep

[@irv4843]

Even if I was 7 yrs old, watching this film, I wouldn't care and would be confused because back then I wasn't great with plots

[@nectarineuroticism]

Honestly as a kid I was even kind of overwhelmed by "How Bad Can I Be" at the very end of the song after that scene, I remember my heart was pounding and I'm pretty sure I was about 12. It was intense, and I feel like this equally was but with a little more raw emotion rather than raw passion. You have a great point though

[@somethingbehindyouu]

d’awwwww are da big cowpowate entities scawed?

[@girlnamedskully]

How Bad can I be: Who are you? Biggering: I'm you but stronger.

[@clarissaokeSkittlecat]

"Im you but way rocking"

[@nguyenquang7785]

“im you but bigger”

[@sumi2570]

Im you but progressive rock

[@marx1095]

No not just stronger BIGGER

[@samuellinn]

more like "I'm you but I'm BIGGERING"

[@danniruthvan3265]

I wish there was a version of this with Ed Helms singing. Not that Gabriel Mann isn't good, but I'd like to hear it in the Once-ler's voice.

[@Sopuliuli]

Danni Ruthvan I thought this was Ed Helms. Sounds exactly like him to me!

[@DussyBestroyer69]

@@Sopuliuli me too man

[@thaliapeters949]

damn i was today years old when i found out andy from the office was the onceler

[@Tyce2cool]

Thalia Peters agreed I didn’t know the nard dog was the once-ler until I read this comment

[@hexx6120]

The nard dog

[@mjhtv5397]

this hits so much harder after seeing the greedy and borderline EVIL behavior studio CEOs and executives have put on display recently. their refusal to pay actors and writers right on top of plotting to use AI to replace them is super depressing. they even plan on dragging the strike until the SAG/WGA members start losing their apartments and houses. this whole situation is the embodiment of "who cares if some things are dying? I don't wanna hear your crying"

[@rikiishitoru8885]

It's a democracy, Hollywood - the execs and the union members and even the struggling workers - brought this upon themselves with their own spending and voting patterns. The writers easily clear $100k for uncredited work and still can't afford to live? They're all animals and they'll eat each other before admitting they've been living the wrong way

[@The_True_Mx_Pink]

Capitalism! Yay...

[@rikiishitoru8885]

Californians brought this upon themselves with their terrible voting patterns $150k is poverty wages in LA because of them

[@thesteelsquid863]

​@@The_True_Mx_Pinkunfortunately, it's probably not going anywhere, either..

[@fatcat5817]

The fact the gov was supposed to keep them in check but instead they give the 2A to illegals.🤭

[@AMagicalTortoise]

Imagine hearing this song in a full theater, loud, surrounded by people. You’d probably have goosebumps. *Now think about the fact that you’ll never have that.* *Thanks Illumination.*

[@alyssabullock6421]

For real bruh

[@charadreemerr4195]

All because they were probably afraid of the fact that this song was calling out their own methods. We have dealt with MUCH worse... Steven Universe covering a borderline abusive relationship between Jasper and Lapis is just one example of something in a *CARTOON SHOW* diving into a serious topic!

[@HELLO-ux3hb]

I Could Just Dream that was the Reality we lived in

[@napasenseigaming]

I legit watched the movie on a school trip years ago and I wish they kept the song it would’ve been better that way

[@mello-0341]

this single comment made me just realize how much potential the lorax couldve had, its sad

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

The idiots at Illumination Pictures didn't realize the sin they've made by letting this scene go unused. Something could've at least been salvaged from this overall bad adaptation besides the meme material.

[@urbroz]

the lorax needed to be a meme becouse its sucked. if this was in it there wouldn't be a meme

[@Rosevieenla]

@Strawberry Orphan only from an animation standpoint was Frozen good

[@rpcsa8]

WhySoAninated made the StoryBoard/Animatic not Illumination (which sucks, your welcome Illumination a small channel literally did your job), but the song is made by Illumination

[@jackpumpoen]

RPCSA 818 god this animatic is so good i would have never guessed it was fan made!

[@rpcsa8]

jack i know right!

[@seruJPG]

I like to think right at the "I DON'T WANNA HEAR YOUR CRYING!" is where Once-ler is offically to far gone, he sounds like a mad-man, his voice actor is pretty good.

[@themayhemera3046]

agreed 1000%

[@thesimpthatsimpsforeverysi6419]

I agree 100% with this. Him screaming out that part can imply two different things. Yelling because guilt is coming to him but because of his pride being so high up- he screams to pu the guilt away or its screaming at the viewer or the people who bought his item because they basically are 'responsible" for the destruction because them buying his item is a way of saying "keep making the theed! We still want it!" Once ler basically saying he doesn't want people crying over nature because it was their fault to agree on once lers item. Which is buying it.

[@Mohan-jj6kc]

His name is Ed Helms he was also in The Office, What's funny is that he also sings alot in the show too.

[@tweer64]

@@Mohan-jj6kc This is the demo, I don't think it's the same voice actor as in the movie.

[@vizaloron9242]

@@tweer64 Did some research and Gabriel Mann is the Once-Ler and Randy Crenshaw is the lorax

[@TurmoilTheThird]

Instead of a G-Rated happy story about the onceler getting peer pressure from his parents and accidentally chopping down all the trees, we could have had a PG-Rated rock drama about the onceler actually doing his crimes on his own and not feeling any remorse for anything he destroys. Illumination should create a darker version of this movie with Biggering in it, i feel.

[@spidermen100]

But if the movie is PG, they had to make it PG 13.

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@spidermen100 If the movie had been pg-13 it would be the first Dr. Seuss adaptation to have that rating

[@Hecuba107]

Honestly, Biggering actually makes it PG than PG-13 because it justifies bringing the parents. Kids won’t be able to understand the song but they will talk to their parents and it is up to them whether or not they should explain it.

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@Hecuba107 In fact, the film is already a PG with the final product, if this song had been released along with the removed material it would have been a PG-13

[@Hecuba107]

@@estrella-om7tu No, as is, the movie is just generic fluff out of KZbin Kids, making me doubt if it is actually deserving of a PG rating. However, had the movie still retained the cut material, that would have challenged the audience and given them a sense of urgency. Of course, those themes are would not cross a child’s mind so this justifies why it should be PG.

[@vincent207]

I wish we lived in the timeline where this movie was Illumination’s crowning achievement, and Biggering was up there with the most beloved villain songs.

[@Nic_2751]

It’s ok, at least we still have the song and it’s original vision, even if it means enjoying it in a vacuum…..

[@iexisted583]

a timeline where they actually chose passion over capitalism

[@lalaloopsyyay]

At least we live in the timeline where puss in boots the last wish exists , best animated movie I’ve ever seen

[@jasonchiu272]

​@@lalaloopsyyay Though it would be better if this version of the Lorax existed alongside it.

[@estela654]

@@jasonchiu272 what are you talking about

[@snoopdoge1353]

I can't find the original comment so I'll just put this here again. Everyone is talking about that this should have been in the movie instead of HBCIB, but I think it'd have worked even better if they put both. Starting off with HBCIB as the Once-ler is still "naive" but doing increasingly questionable things in the name of money, which then returns as a dark reprise in Biggering (since they even share parts of the melody and lyrics) with a drastic tonal shift in the movie once he fully embraces his corporate greed and willingly descends into full-on madness, destroying the world out of his own avarice and newfound megalomania. By having a light-hearted iteration of the song in the beginning of his story that returns as a gritty reprise later, the audience would be able to see how far the Lorax has fallen from the "innocent" person he used to be, while still clearly seeing that he chose this path all by himself. It would have shown both how innocent intentions can go wrong (like the movie tries to), but alongside the original book's message that if a person becomes a monster like this, they'll have nobody to blame but themselves for it.

[@Vera-od4hp]

bruh that would’ve been beautiful

[@Gamergirl-.-]

I wish they could do a redo of the Lorax

[@RebelTrooperHoth]

How far the lorax fell as a person

[@etcetc1]

fuck it would have been such a badass reprise

[@eeeee3259]

Damn this gave me chills in a good way

[@purpledragon1945]

That awkward moment when you create one of the best villain songs in history, And then don't use it

[@Mr_Edward_Nigma]

Yea, honestly this is even better then hellfire but illumination just had to say “it’s to scary for the kids.” Even though the Lorax is one of dr sueses most dark stories. Like bruh :/

[@DeandaGe]

Izma and the Onceler are fuming about their cut villain songs istg

[@raptorcrasherinc.9823]

@@Mr_Edward_Nigma this is a better villain song than Hellfire, I agree with you

[@shannonehlert8482]

@@Mr_Edward_Nigma I wouldn’t say it’s better than hellfire, I’d say they’re on the same level though

[@Starman062]

@@Mr_Edward_Nigma wasn’t too dark for kids. Too dark for illuminations.

[@louiedelk592]

Everyone talks about the Onceler’s solo at the end but my favorite part is Lorax’s monologue. It’s so brutal and honest.

[@citmondo]

What's wrong producers, or whoever was in charge? Hit too close to home?

[@hellcat5017]

Apply cool water to the burn

[@ultravioletgirl123]

Cittymondo Hello 911? I’d like to report a MURDER

[@martiqueheisler5959]

Oooooohhhh

[@spaghettibolognese5838]

OUCH

[@sammywhite2760]

The higher ups: well the chart says...... Me: DO YOU THINK I GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE GOD DAMN CHART?!? The higher ups: 😧 Da fuq is your problem? Me: 🤦‍♂️ someone kill me.

[@abrady0]

The onceler actually feels like a bad person in this.

[@dirtyblnd]

he originally was supposed to be a bad person anyway

[@estlin2001]

Good observation! That's because he is!

[@akorn9943]

The onceler is such an interesting character because he’s supposed to be a bad person but also, not. Like he’s supposed to represent the worst of us, but also, well, us, he’s a normal person and any of us could do the things he does. I think this song captures that perfectly.

[@silverfire1248]

@@akorn9943 agreed. He’s not evil, just completely blind to the pain his actions are causing. Evil would mean he not only knows the pain he’s causing, but wants it to continue. He wouldn’t feel remorse after he realized what all he did. He’s complex.

[@p3el_]

Its human nature to expand and take any resources from mother nature, we will do it even if it kills us. You cant do anything about it, only those with power can speak up about it.

[@ObaREX]

Honestly, this movie should be remade. A tad bit of a darker version, which includes this song. On another note, this song is so great. I know that the Once-ler is falling into darkness and is being a total jerk but at the same time you can really feel for him. You actually feel like you're with him at the top of the world near the end. Really says something about the human race. We want to do the right thing... but we also want things for ourselves.

[@ezrablock3218]

I agree. I would like your comment, but you have 28 likes. And i really like the number 28.

[@ObaREX]

Ezra Block lol ok

[@ezrablock3218]

Now you have 43. Here.

[@AprilTheSimmer]

Ezra Block Usually if I see a comment and I'm not sure whether to like it or not, if it has the numbers 9, 19, 29, etc. I tend to just like it anyway for some reason. It's a habit, and I have to force myself to not press the like button. 😆

[@zomystar]

I’m late, but I want a wayyy darker version of this movie for an older audience instead of a completely childish movie that covers up the meaning of the movie with bright colours

[@verycoolperson46]

Imagine putting your heart and soul into making one of the best songs in film history, only for it to be cut because it hurt some business man’s feewings

[@cursedcat6467]

Cut to deep

[@igorkoskin5214]

I know, I'm probably terribly late for the party, but my dear god, this song is so great. Slow start, story development, the cut to the overwhelming silence right after the apex, the climax - everything just lines up perfectly. And not only that, but the overall message is much deeper that overly simplified "nature is gud cause we want trees". How Bad Can I Be has it's own merits, but Biggering is a straight up masterpiece, and realizing it's forgotten forever to be buried in the dumpster brings a single tear to my eyes.

[@jackierocha5096]

Don’t feel bad, I only found out about it last night

[@phantasy9082]

@@jackierocha5096 what a coincidence I find it today

[@Bluejay-jg6hz]

@@phantasy9082 Same

[@Spectra651]

I never realized it before now, but... we were robbed

[@insertnamehere5615]

I know right!!! This song is sooo fricken cool! It's literally a masterpiece, ur right.

[@jonsaltberry8167]

The fact that The Lorax could have easily been a masterpiece makes me mad.

[@Treeeee2008]

I'll never forgive illumination for removing this masterpiece of a song from the final movie

[@ruedadesalami8317]

@@Treeeee2008 like really Ilumination could have added this song like an act 2 of how bad can I be and it would fit perfectly

[@fueledbycandy5920]

I really wanna get you to 69 likes, your so close

[@fueledbycandy5920]

A SHIT TONE OF PEOPLE FUCKIN RUINED IT

[@iancortescontreras6084]

its like YIIK: a Post-Modern dissapointment, potential that was wasted and the result being not too satisfying

[@christianboustani8284]

"But you can't blame Greed. No, that's stupid." I actually can't believe how good this is

[@mr.mirage3986]

Metal is dumb. All metal songs suck and I am not the only person to say that and I actually speak about people who don't like this song not saying that everybody hates it like You say that just beacause You like it, everybody does You are selfish.

[@mayaminuminati]

@@mr.mirage3986 Hol up I'm tryna find who asked

[@christianboustani8284]

@@mr.mirage3986 All I said is the song was good and now I'm selfish? Alright, dude. It must be wild to live in whatever fantasy world you're in.

[@luthient2605]

@@mr.mirage3986 ???????

[@dickydopy4638]

@@mr.mirage3986 what the hell are you on about?

[@Jaydog-sc8zv]

I like the line “I need a bigger staff”. He’s most likely referring to a staff for his company. I prefer thinking it as he wants a bigger scepter to go with his bigger chair and hat, like a king on his throne.

[@CantRead1]

The darker cut would have been a masterpiece of a movie

[@roryforrester735]

Maybe not a masterpiece but definitely the greatest book to movie transition and one hell of a film

[@KoolAids-vj1ll]

@@roryforrester735 it's one song in a bad movie. It would've been a decent adaptation. Songs decent

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

I recommend that you look up the original version of thneedville. Based on that song alone, I think in the original version of The Lorax they were also going to take a jab at consumerism and apparently in the original version Ted wanted to get a tree not to impress some girl but so he could be the 1st kid in the neighborhood to get one.

[@redpanda6497]

@@roryforrester735 But imagine what would happen if the movie was as good as the song. I doesn't have to look like the finished movie they released.

[@mickaokiji]

Lorax Snyder cut

[@thewordywarlock7159]

This song wasn't cut because the kids "can't take" something so dark. It was cut because Illumination is exactly like the Onceler, and they didn't want their product to espouse views that cut against their bottom line.

[@paladinboyd1228]

TheWordyWarlock, Oh the irony.

[@alvarodoismil]

shake that bottom line

[@stormycd392]

TheWordyWarlock Oh yeah, their entire studio was built on the idea that they make animated features for the least amount possible. Like, not even exaggerating, the studio actually admits this, right?

[@discountchocolate4577]

@@stormycd392 Honestly when you mention that detail it becomes all the more evident that Illumination was the worst studio to adapt this into a feature-length film.

[@riantheglobular9957]

I mean it was actually due to tge change in direction of the film

[@SuperBatSpider]

It’s my head cannon that he actually sung this in the real story but replaced it because he didn’t want the kid to hate him

[@grandmasterpax3248]

Good thinking

[@cinnamonskys4444]

Imagine how sanitized his story was is purely just so he doesn't make the kid hate him, scared, or not trust his motives for giving him the final truffula tree seed

[@aftermathofthefirestudios5521]

and that shows that even after going though all of that and being left out of society for what he's done to go live in his trailer, he's still going to lie because of just how m u c h he got corrupted and how much he corrupted himself and I think that's powerful to teach kids......... never pride yourself to much and NEVER let greed overtake you because you might never be able to go back and that is truly powerful to me

[@pundertalefan4391]

XD wow.

[@carlsonraywithers3368]

Even after he destroys everything, He's still consumed by his Pride.

[@huntercool2232]

“WHO CARES IF SOME THINGS ARE DYINGGGGGGGG!!!! I DON’T WANNA HEAR YOUR CRYINGGGGGGGG!!!!” *Bro that honestly hits way to close to home…*

[@Bandicoot_Productions69]

a detail that I always notice, onceler seems to simply go crazy in these last parts from "I Must Keep Biggering", honestly this makes the character much scarier than he actually would be

[@Bandicoot_Productions69]

Biggering was a song that could show the onceler's change in behavior, going from greedy to sadistic madman. (lmao This sounds like a creepypasta haha)

[@boonekeller5275]

Illumination: *critiques capitalism* Also Illumination: Oh shit I forgot we're a corporation

[@charadreemerr4195]

That is the very definition of the pot calling the kettle black

[@Duke-Orgulje]

Capitalism is not the same as corporatism. They are more different than you think. Dr. Seuss' Lorax was anti-corporate, but not anti-capitalist. Do not combine these two ideologies into one. Oh, and spoiler alert: Dr. Seuss wasn't a communist either. He was a liberal Democrat.

[@trianglepoodle7571]

@@Duke-Orgulje Corporatism and Capitalism are one and the same. Corporatism simply describes the state that Capitalism encourages corporations into, exploiting anything to get profit.

[@Duke-Orgulje]

@@trianglepoodle7571 Capitalism does not necessarily encourage corporatism/exploitation. It's like saying that conservatism encourages hate crime, but that's not really true, just like capitalism doesn't encourage exploitation but has the potential to do so.

[@cantthinkofaname5046]

@@Duke-Orgulje I know there is whole bad stigma attached to the word socialism, but a blend of capitalism and socialism would be the best bet for a more just system.

[@JustAPaperface]

Cut for being too anticoporate So Cut for being too accurate to the book

[@ratedr7845]

the former

[@wubbers662]

The point was to stop cutting down all the trees and take care instead of chopping everything down with subtly Former I also disagree with, because there are plenty of songs in moves by big companies that do this Probably for being too out of tune, not as catchy as How bad could I be (goofier, but still gets the message) or a mix

[@lynkingbetti]

@@wubbers662 you are the enemy.

[@wubbers662]

@@lynkingbetti I honestly couldn't care less which song got it, the status quo wouldn't change probably Biggering - Slightly better Lorax 2012 How Bad Can I Be? - Slightly worse Lorax 2012

[@lynkingbetti]

@@wubbers662 that is not the focus of what I said. Your point, and that is if I got it correctly, is that the song's and story's message is merely about not cutting trees. The original story clearly has a very anti-capitalist and anti-corporate message at it's heart, with the environmental focus used due to its urgent nature, with climate change and all of the problems associated with it. And it does change a little bit more than just how good the lorax as a movie is, this is a movie made for children with a massive reach due to it coming from illumination, passing on the anti-capitalist message on the most effective and direct way is one of the best ways to actually encourage critical thought in the youth and try to actually make a difference. But, exactly because it was made by illumination, the movie is boiled down in such a manner that it completely destroys the original's story , and I personally think it was very much intentional. But that can get very close to a conspiracy theory so I try to keep my head steady with that one

[@yaranieuwenhuis9462]

Sure 11 year old me thought "how bad can I be" was a bop. BUT THIS WOULDVE SLAPPED SO HARD AND MAKE THE WHOLE CINEMA WHEEP

[@marisolbecerra06]

RIGHT THE OTHER ONE WAS GOOD BUT THIS ONE IS JUST FANTASTIC

[@MrChaotic4]

@@marisolbecerra06 This song is on par with Hellfire. It's that amazing.

[@TwilightGummi1118]

“How bad can I be” is what he told Ted “Biggering” is what actually happened

[@musicalmaestrolio]

Why not both

[@Nada-V]

​@@musicalmaestrolioNah, because the movie one made it seem like peer pressure. While here makes it show how far pride can eat your morals.

[@musicalmaestrolio]

@@Nada-V Cool, cool. But I was talking about how Illumination could've used both songs in the movie instead of just using How Bad Can I Be

[@timbledon32]

I love how the Once-ler's tone starts as soft-spoken and humane and becomes louder and more insensitive as the song progresses

[@functionatthejunction]

If you scream the lie it makes it harder to hear the truth.

[@niko5008]

@@functionatthejunction if you don't you can't be heard. It was a lost cause.

[@flandrescarlet506]

The song also gains more instrumentation and a choir later on, meaning the song itself is also biggering. This song is so wonderful and I'm so sad it didn't make it into the movie

[@lauracerqueiramachado8979]

And in the end as he sings “this is also gratifying!” he is basically yelling the last syllable and we can actually feel his satisfaction as he does so

[@Woahss71]

@@flandrescarlet506 all because illumination felt attacked by the song lol

[@raquelalejandrapatinoojeda8334]

The idea that this song is "too dark for kids" is absolute bullshit. If people look back at The Hunchback of Notre Dame and the song Hellfire with nostalgia, with people still talking about how great that song is... Yeah, no, Illumination had no excuse to cut this. Kids can handle way more than what you think, and corporations need to stop treating them like idiots.

[@Charely1925]

Agreed! I think it has less to do with kids handling darker themes and more that they can handle deeper honesty. It's not dark for dark's sake, the song is dark because it holds truth. Multi-million dollar corporations don't just accidentally destroy their means of production. Good wood companies strictly measure how much they harvest and make sure to re-place what they cut down. Big corp's never start with evil intentions, but every corp is fully capable of intense evil. Pride is the source of all evil, that's why greed is stated to be like a pet. Greed can do nothing if we don't feed it. But the moment we start indulging in more than we need, it makes us want more until it drives us to be consciously insane, doing what we KNOW is wrong. Hellfire and Biggering not only cover dark themes, they cover the human condition which every one of us struggle with. A bit much, I know, but that's my thoughts on that.

[@jackdavenport5011]

Illumination is just so fixated on making bare-bones, digestible movies that are as inoffensive as possible, that's why they watered down the movie's dark themes so much (along with, you know, being exactly like the corporations the movie would have been calling out).

[@fueledbycandy5920]

And children no longer can or want to be oblivious to this sort of thing. As a 12 year old, I wish I knew more about climate change and this song would have been great for 7 year old me to hear, even if it stung. Its supposed to sting, its fucking climate change

[@josharmstrong8813]

Yeah that's absolutely true it may just be the fact that I was born in 2001 but I watched a fairly large amount of dark things and I'm not a completely maniac Watership Down, a Mouse's tail, lion king and many others I can't think of right now Basically I watched quite a few things that were either dark or had dark parts in them

[@BsicalyLuci]

their hand was kinda forced though

[@theaxbowlotl]

This song makes me get chills. This is what a message is. Not some earworm throw away trendy song with a hipster. A powerful, booming, unforgettable song with a megelomaniac

[@КолаПень3]

They lost all potential(

[@onyx2787]

How bad can I be begs for your attention while Biggering DEMANDS it

[@anamejiabriceno1627]

MEGELOMANIC Me-ge-lo-ma-nic Me-ga-lo-va-nia MEGALOVANIA *Insert remembers of vietnam*

[@understorymainchannel8326]

@@anamejiabriceno1627 sanscest intensifies

[@anamejiabriceno1627]

@@understorymainchannel8326 Ta rara ¡ra! Tatata ¡ta! rara

[@AVdE10000]

The "survival of the fittest" line makes so much more sense in this version when it's followed up by the line "a company's an animal trying to survive". That's literally how business works, either you become an all consuming mega corporation or get swallowed up by one. And the way the onceler says it, suggesting he sees himself as the victim... Such a spine chilling analogy

[@DrDoggoat]

There are hints here that the lorax isn't real, rather it's the manifestation of the Onceler's regrets. And that is absolutely fucking insane. There's actually elements of psychological horror in this draft and I'm so sad we didn't get it.

[@mrmrmadlad9167]

Really? What are the hints?

[@mistince832]

@@mrmrmadlad9167 The most on the nose one is about 1:45, where the lorax's shadow can be seen seemingly attached to the onceler's shadow, without him physically being present in the scene. (implications being that the lorax doesnt actually exist, physically at least, and is a manifestation of the regret he feels). Another possibly is the next scene, being around 2:00. In the scene, the onceler goes down an elevator, towards the ceremony to open Thneedville. As it gets lower, the lorax is seen above him, looking down. There's actually three implications here. The first is how the onceler is trying to escape the feelings of regret, by phsyically attempting to escape the lorax, who is the physical embodiment of it. The second is the colour scheme changing from something passive to a deep red. Deep red symbolising sin, and if you include the fact that he's getting lower, hell. The third implication is how he's trying to escape the feelings of regret by focusing on the positives, as an attempt to distract himself from regret. (This is also seen where he pushes the lorax away from the button) That's my take on it atleast, I hope I cleared it up for you! I'm sure there's more, but i'm slighty too lazy to go through and analyse the song. :)

[@richtigmann1]

@@mistince832 That's actually a pretty good analysis

[@pizzadragon2699]

@@mistince832 There's also 1:23, which shows him seemingly inside the mirror. Once ler even looks around to see if anyone is seeing him.

[@Snake-pz6qj]

@@pizzadragon2699 damn I was just abt to comment abt that but yes true

[@OneroseArts]

The fact that the lorax is following him around like an ominous shadow, almost like he's just in the onceler's head, like his conscience. Is so creepy and so cool! This darker version of the lorax would have been so good! I can't believe we never got to see this on the big screen.

[@Nic_2751]

We can believe it because the studio that made it are literally peak corporate garbage

[@maskedfoxx7173]

This animatic was actually fan made. If this song had made it into the movie the accompanying music video would have been something else completely.

[@kreativernickname4031]

It sure would have, but they had to keep it child friendly and colourful and all

[@shawnplaysgam3s835]

@@kreativernickname4031 no, they removed it because it directly speaks out against the greed and corruption of big, soulless companies, and this movie was made by illumination, a big, greedy, soulless company.

[@kreativernickname4031]

@@shawnplaysgam3s835 So, a big, greedy, soulless company makes a movie with a big, greedy, soulless company eradicating an entire tree type for money and then failing due to the boss being an absolute moron at keeping the company going? This doesn´t seem like something a big, greedy, soulless company would do.

[@jarrenstarkey8541]

I don’t know what’s scarier, the fact this about a man turning into a monster, or that we got “How Bad Can I Be.”

[@FoxofNothing]

Definitely the second option. He turning into a monster is totally ok!

[@КолаПень3]

@@FoxofNothing +

[@smoldragon339]

The third option: The fact that this song is a representation of how real world corporate greed (or rather, pride) works.

[@accountlol7409]

@@smoldragon339 it hit too close to home for whoever decided to cut it sadly…

[@captainkraken3550]

@@FoxofNothing The later the money hungry motherfuckers at illumination replaced a song that was heavy hitting with it's message with a 000000000000000.1% catchy song that doesn't get the message across !!!!!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@theflatpancake1713]

Maturing is realizing that "biggering" is better than "how bad can i be."

[@tangerinecowboy]

I think they're both good to be honest. How Bad Can I Be, is pretty iconic, sounds decent, and gets the point across to a specific degree Biggering, is spectacular, but I'd say isn't as known about as How Bad Can I Be ( to the average viewer ) sounds extraordinary, and gets the point across really well. How Bad Can I Be, is good in a more lighter tone, but Biggering is good when trying to convey a true lesson, which in a way they both do, but Biggering gets the point across.

[@astrobeth]

​@@tangerinecowboy I think both of them should of been in the movie, put how bad can I be first as a lighter version that shows he doesn't realise what he's doing and then later on in the movie use biggering as a darker reprise to show the damage

[@BurritoVillage]

@@astrobeth They would probably have to make mild changes to how bad can i be because he does give in to pride and greed in the song, and we want that in Biggering

[@TrifectShow]

​@@astrobethYeah, best of both worlds

[@monke7919]

​@tangerinecowboy biggering prioritizes telling the orginal message of the book making the ounceler the villain how bad can I be is making him a oblivious villain and prioritizes getting stuck in your head over actually sending a message biggering he says "who cares if a few things are dying" in how bad can I be he says "who cares if a few trees are dying" a notebale difference in meaning