The Danger of Celebrity Health Advice (w/Dr. Paul Offit) | Incident Report 192

[@benroembke]

Please provide citation for studies listed at 17:20.

[@benroembke]

I'm sorry but for someone who wants people on the fence to "believe the science", they didn't talk about any of the hard science. There are 17 studies... while not naming a single one in the interview or in the description. This interview was more along the lines of believe us we are experts. Also, did anyone catch that zdog claims to have done the research but then later admits he's not a good scientist and is more of an emotional communicator?

[@deannac5026]

Having a dog has taught me the importance of vaccinations. My dog has had her full series of vaccinations since she was a puppy, and that has potentially saved her life. Never would I have thought that Parvo virus would be introduced into our neighborhood and kill off the non-vaccinated dogs and puppies. Watching all those dogs get so sick and die from such a terrible disease was so heartbreaking. The most heartbreaking part was that it could have been prevented with a simple shot. My dog was exposed to the sick dog that brought the disease to us, but because of a decision I had made for her she did not suffer a terrible fate. Vaccines save lives!

[@Usagi22912]

Parvo is no joke

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

i have 3 pets no vaccination they eat everthing veg what we eat they r normal n heathly

[@deannac5026]

@@dollypanchamiya9984 so your admitting that your pets are not licensed and your breaking the law? By law dogs over four months have to have rabies shots.

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

@@deannac5026 my pets are fine thankyou in my country we dont need a lisence i did do the basic vsccines but once i was convinced that thwy hold no valve i stopped ,i have been subcribed to take statins since 18 yrs but i dont take em and i feel i am at better health than my frds of my age😘

[@deannac5026]

@@dollypanchamiya9984 sorry I forget everyone on KZbin is not an American. In America rabies vaccine is legally required to own a dog over 4 months old.

[@wellnesscenteroffranklin8450]

So what was the placebo Dr. Offitt's Vaccine was compared too? Sugar pill, saline, or another dangerous vaccine? I'd like to know.

[@robertdepesci3418]

what we should do: make vaccinations required to attend public school. antivaxxers form their own school. compare statistics on autism rates and such between the two

[@danaoleary680]

That sounds wonderful... that way the un-vaxxed kids wouldn't have to worry about shedders. I bet the vast majority of anti-vaxxers would totally support this.

[@garyincremona726]

Good idea. They won’t do it though because they know the results. This is just like why they won’t do a vaxxed compared to uncaxxed stidy. It would clearly show the unvaxxed are way healthier.

[@MK-ih6wp]

C19 will make it happen

[@Wagomorph]

I met Paul at the ACIP a few years ago. Just bought the book. And yes, I am a pediatrician AND the parent of an autistic kid. Vaccines are life saving !!!!

[@igloosoftware]

Is that mean you are completely brainwashed? you dont love your child dont you?

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

@@igloosoftware the fact we love our kids we r afraid of these money hungry dogs all i know is no one in my family has bad skin not even my grandparents on both sides and after these vaccines my kids developed bad skin they said its not bec of vaccination i like a moron believed them and now both my kids have bad skin its not in our dna for sure these new age doctors know less about cells more about mimicking chemicals which can be got naturally. and the put viruses develiped from pigs n rats in our kids it makes no sense to me or my instincts i have studied microbiology 2 yrs gave up and got married the biggest mistake of my life .i believe in natural medicine age old ayurveds homopaths since 5 yrs before that i was a hardcore allopathic medicine person so u c change is the only constant .and one has to follow the heart bec head is always decieving.

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

@frostek you slubberdigallion i will talk what i want where i want when i want i am born free and know my rights you are mentally enslaved and devoid of any compassion so get lost just go get a life

[@draconicfeline6177]

As a science writer, I want to fill the niche of helping scientists communicate. That's my goal, and it's been my goal from the moment I realized I loved explaining science more than I loved the science itself. Also Wakefield can go to hell. I'm so glad my parents didn't believe his bullshit.

[@VocalCitizen]

Z, you’re a hero! Keep up the good fight for all our sakes! Express my gratitude to Dr. Offit for his work, dedication, and sacrifice to do the right thing. OFF TOPIC SIDENOTE: please do a show helping to diffuse the stigma of having a stoma. Explain to people that we’re not gross or unsanitary and that those of us post-proctectomy NEED to use taller, handicapped toilets. I have had permanent ileostomy and proctectomy. There is little to no medical media on ileostomy, colostomy, or urostomy. We are not pariahs! Thanks 💕

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

what sacrifice has he made apart from making millions i would love to know hes anti god and thinks he knows the human body he knows less than one millionth of a hair about the true nature of the human bady if he thinks otherwise god bless him

[@AddMoreQuarters]

He's a shill, nothing more. Propped up to entertain more than inform, while pushing propaganda. Like really who the fk tales a host seriously when he calls himself ZDogg. Probably an actor who just knows how to follow a script real well.

[@merediths.6613]

As a mom of two autistic kids it makes me sick to my stomach that people would rather have a dead child, than one who’s autistic. Makes me lose faith in humanity

[@DocJakeDO]

Dr. Offit, love hearing you speak back in medical school. Glad you are still fighting the good fight. Thanks for taking on this task. We the clinical docs need to keep showing our patients and their families the real data.

[@AddMoreQuarters]

I doubt he's even a real doctor

[@santoroshopper3]

Truly can’t believe some of the comments here. I wish Dr Jenny McCarthy would stop and think of the patients like my nephew. Teenagers who’s whole immune systems were knocked out by chemo. And the fear they live in during recuperation, before they can get revaccinated, that they’re going to run into a non-vaccinated kid and get sick and possibly die from something minor bc they have NO immune system. If you don’t want to vaccinate your kid, fine. Just stay the hell home, home school your kid, work from home and get your groceries delivered and stay in your bubble and stay away from the rest of us

[@eliscanfield3913]

I'm grateful to Dr. O. My spouse and I got something we think was probably rotovirus; our 14 mo fully vaccinated toddler was fine.

[@eliscanfield3913]

Utterly unaffected, except that he was worried about his parents. He had normal poop and normal appetite.

[@missingpnwwithkay]

I’m an anti vaxxer who is appreciating this video. I’m about halfway through. Thank you for the upload. And thank you Dr Offit for at least being compassionate and respectful about this issue and discussion.

[@Chiroman1997]

Dr. Offit is amazing. Thank you for your dedication to both the profession and to society. We need more well-equipped doctors to step up and write on the issue of vaccination. Great interview.

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

hes 1000 times richer by killing kids

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

@@Chiroman1997 i dont own a head only heart stop the abuse its disgusting to think you are intectual at the rectal level enjoy your life

[@guythatcomments]

Would it be a danger to take advice from a celebrity licensed medical doctor about the danger of celebrity health advice? 🤔

[@reubengaines8659]

If you do, some sort of black hole opens up and swallows the universe.

[@kellyjohnstone7889]

Educated and informed people are perceived as a threat. There is good and bad in every aspect of life. Arming ourselves with as much information as possible, helps us weed out the bad. I have twins on the spectrum that received the same vaccines my older neurotypical singletons received. Something is definitely happening genetically and what is causing it is difficult to narrow down. Personally I believe it's evolution, but that's another story. The pros of vaccines far outweigh the cons.

[@stefanlangenhoven78]

I was waiting for a gunshot to go off in the back and then silence

[@jerichobeach2967]

Stefan Langenhoven LMAO

[@wellnesscenteroffranklin8450]

I want Paul Ofit Immunity 51:40 "no worries, I got natural measles, no problem." Over the shot with known side effects, and you have to receive boosters, over and over again. No way!

[@davideberhardt1361]

Finally watched the whole video, Z smiled during the yelling and knocking but I can see Doc Vader wanting to come out 😁. You are a good man Z, please keep up the public service, keep up the battle against ignorance. I can't help but feel like we are underdogs in this fight.

[@passion4truthandlove]

He questioned why we feel this way or are indoctrinated to feel this way and that is hilarious. My son wasn't born with autism and his story is unique. It was 100% the vaccines and I can prove it. I didn't go into parenthood thinking anything was wrong with vaccines. We vaccinated. Then we learned and our other 2 unvaccinated children are not autistic so you are wrong on the matter. Too many doctors and scientists that aimed to blow the whistle on the real data behind the autism and vaccine connection have been raided and then murdered for you to not look further. Oh, and stop referencing the bogus studies that compared partially vaccinated to vaccinated adding MMR to rule out the autism connection. There needs to be an unvaccinated compared to vaccinated with the complete schedule study. The science on that will never be settled until that study is done. #DOTHESTUDY

[@wellnesscenteroffranklin8450]

My niece was perfectly fine until 18 months when she received MMR, then reverted into a vegetative condition. The doctors immediately blamed genetics. Darwin would roll over in his grave. People in vegetative states don't have a lot of kids, and would be weeded out of the gene pool thousands/millions of years ago.

[@pinostuf9208]

From my research on vaccines and the vaccine debate, I find a lot of the people opposed to the current mandatory vaccine schedule at one point in time were pro vaccine and never questioned the safety. After their children were permanently injure or disabled, they did research and found out they were far from alone. There is a lot of information from reputable and well respected doctors and scientists warning of the health risks, and no, they didn't get their information from facebook.

[@MK-ih6wp]

@@wellnesscenteroffranklin8450 Good point about genetics. I'm so sorry about your neice. Heartbreaking.

[@MK-ih6wp]

@@pinostuf9208 Exactly. Aside from those born to antivaxxers, most of us grow up believing & trusting bigpharma. Its only until we learn the hard way that our eyes are opened.

[@danielalexander7971]

Thank you for this video. Sorry for the idiots attacking you.

[@AddMoreQuarters]

The only ones who are idiots are the ones who don't see the facade.

[@kymberlyp4056]

Just ordered Dr. Offit’s book (Kindle) off Amazon. 😁 I think you need some pro-vaxx merch. My humble suggestion would be...... “I vaccinate so our children can have another birthday to celebrate.” P.S. Freddy Mercury DOES rock! 😎

[@Kathy-zx5xn]

I just bought his book too! Loved this podcast video!

[@denasingleton7107]

I would be there

[@kymberlyp4056]

Dena Singleton ~ I wish the ZDoggMD team read comments.🤔

[@luxorien]

curegear has some fun vaccine shirts. And proceeds go to medical research.

[@kymberlyp4056]

luxorien ~ Thank you, I’ll check them out. 🤗

[@lynnvigar9294]

Surely, autism in kids is just purely bad luck - or, in my family's lexicon, poor toilet training. It's not the end of the world, especially when we know just how diverse the spectrum is these days.

[@Usagi22912]

Zdogg is right about Offit being able to talk so freely and believably. This was nice to watch. I've only ever watched antivax villainization of him

[@cseale61]

Thank you, ZDogg, and thank you Dr. Offit! Maybe the world will come to their senses some day.

[@42believer]

Hey ZDoggMD! I really loved this video and the discussions on how the anti-vax movement came to be and why they believe what they believe. As someone with a close relative who refused to vaccinate her two kids, I've talked a lot on the "research" she has done vs the research I have done so I think I have some perspective you might find interesting when it comes to trying to convince them, and I think a lot of it comes down to Andrew Wakefield tbh. When you talk about how media is unhelpful when it comes to this debate, it's because they are not focusing the discussion in a way that highlights the true damage done by Wakefield. *We* (non-antivaxxers) all know why Wakefield can't be trusted, so why, when I said that, did my cousin give me a bunch of links that attempted to prove that Wakefield was right? One of these links btw was to Mercola's website and interview of Wakefield. Instantly I knew that she had been given bad information. But as I personally did more research into vaccines and specifically Andrew Wakefield, I realized that the media focus on him and what he did was what was wrong. If you tell an anti-vax parent that Wakefield did a study that tried to prove a thing but it was retracted and so he can't be trusted, they probably won't listen to you. If you tell an anti-vax parent that Wakefield did a study that caused autistic children to receive medically unnecessary lumbar punctures and colonoscopies, all while receiving tons of money from lawyers and trying to file a patent, they instantly want to know more. Maybe they won't agree, but they want to know more, which is a start. Even people I know who do believe in vaccines had ZERO idea about the study protocol and it changes the entire way they think about Wakefield. Current media coverage does not mention the lumbar punctures or colonoscopies AT ALL. Even if you just put the needle from a lumbar puncture next to a needle for a vaccine, I think framing it in those terms will make parents more likely to listen to the other side. There is a lot of deprogramming that needs to happen but IMO it has to start where this whole controversy began, with Andrew Wakefield and EXACTLY why his study was retracted. On a different note, I am not a scientist or doctor, but when initially given anti-vax information (prior to knowing really anything about anti-vaxxers and the community and allllll the stuff) the places that I went to were medical blogs written by actual professionals. Not always were they written to my academic level, but because I had to do so much research into what all the sides were saying I quickly picked up what I needed to know. BTW getting my flu shot this week! Got the flu last year, never again!!!

[@red70506]

If you've had the flu you don't need the shot! You have lifetime immunity that strain and now will have little issues with the other strains. Why would you waste your time and take chances like that?

[@nathalienoort5963]

@@red70506 haha come with 1 source that proves influenza gives you lifelong immunity to that specific strain, please. And does that help against other strains? No, so flushot is still usefull. I got mine last week :). Offcourse I want a universal flushot, but untill that happens I take the yearly one.

[@nathalienoort5963]

@@mlav6083 wtf. Why would you say that? Vile antivaxxer? Or just vile?

[@sharpie6888]

@@red70506 you don't have lifetime immunity. Influenza viruses go through antigenic shift all the time

[@ToneArm56]

42believer you dont know what you're talking about. You got the flu naturally? well chances are now youre protected against many strains and if you get a flu vaccine, it may not have the same damaging effects. That all depends on your immune system. Let us know how that turned out. Regarding Wakefield you are utterly CLUELESS. He was NOT filing a patent for another vaccine and all the other rubbish you wrote is incorrect. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZmbqp2Lpt-bhNU

[@davideberhardt1361]

Please issue a public correction that Dr Phil's advice is still rock solid 💩📺

[@kymberlyp4056]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@iajffjkjf78439]

“Agents of reason” great name for a superhero squad of skeptics. Because logic, reason, science and evidence are all they need! They don’t need to have imaginary powers or magical thinking

[@cinnie63]

When people talk about not getting the chicken pox vaccine I want to scream. I had the chicken pox as a child, the vaccine didn't exist when I had them, and yes I was young enough that my infection was mild. But years later I had to suffer through shingles, lost two weeks of work, and suffered from neuropathy for months and there is a real possibility I could have shingles again. The really sad things is there are people who have much worse cases than I did. I am getting the new shingles vaccine and paying for it out my own pocket because I am not "old " enough!

[@cinnie63]

Laura Larrett totally not scientifically accurate. But coming from an antivaxer I would expect no less. And I had antivirals within the time period they do not stop the outbreak they just shorten the duration. Since I work in hospitals I cannot go to work with an active infection (open wounds) because I could unknowingly transfer the infection to an immunosuppressed patient or fellow employee. If you think the vaccine can transfer nucleic acids what do you think the actual virus does? I will carry inactive virus for the rest of my life and most of those who have had chicken pox will too. And as for not being exposed to chicken pox being why I had shingles, I call bull. I helped care for my younger brother who got chicken pox when he went to college. He was sent home and was extremely ill. So I was exposed approximately 20 years later. And have had exposure to other younger children since then so there goes that theory.

[@cinnie63]

Main Street Boxer yeah and as I plainly stated I am trying to get it. There is a national shortage of the new vaccine and my insurance company won't pay for it because I am a few years younger than recommended age. Also if I was anti chicken pox vaccine why would you think I would be ok with shingles vaccine. My post was just pointing out that having a mild case of chicken pox as a child can still have consequences that many people ignore. Also if you get the chicken pox later in childhood or adulthood they can make the person very ill and can be life threatening.

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

hello people who have tajen the vaccine have got shingles so much for your vaccine lol

[@ToneArm56]

karen bennett you do know the rise in shingles is due to the introduction of the chicken pox vaccine. Just putting it out there in case you werent aware. And yes CP is usually mild.....in children, thats why the UK waited so long to make it available. They didn't feel it was a necessary vaccine. But now, like measles, adults are coming down with these diseases or their correlates (shingles, much deadlier in the elderley and also life threatening in children who are now also coming down with shingles,) and its all because there are no more circulating antibodies in the air to boost immunity. Modern medicine thinks it could tinker with nature to try to do it better. We havent even figured out how to get along as a species. Modern medicine has a sordid history of megalomaniacal intentions using human beings as guinea pigs. Vaccines, admittedly, are tested on the population since none of the proper safety studies required to show absolute long term safety are being done. If you can find a study which shows that injecting 13 or 10 or 8 vaccines in a baby is safe and that it produces no immediate, short or long term effects, and shows that it actually provides long term immunity....say....for life, i'll b the first in line with my sleeve rolled up.

[@MK-ih6wp]

@@cinnie63 Hope you were not one of the unlucky folks to get a shingles flareup after mRNA vaccine.

[@MemoriesOf2Mrw]

Anti-vaxxers at the window...you have officially arrived

[@msheart2]

premasked for covid

[@noahpoznanski2588]

I envy the balls of the window guy. He's THE Avatar of confidence. Great Podcast! Love your work!

[@igloosoftware]

its more arrogance than confidence.

[@karenabrams8986]

I’m really glad I watched this. Thanks for this. I can let go of the stupid irrational fear that has always nagged at me that worried a little that maybe anti-vaxxers were right. I can’t wait till we know what causes autism. The fear never overrid doing what I know is responsible parenting. What I know as a clinical laboratory scientist. We got all our shots and kid got the 1st hpv last month. This is the first time I’ve actually felt good about getting it done. It’s felt like a scary chore from the moment I became a mom. I kinda resent that. 😕 Anti-vaxx nurses are a scourge.

[@MK-ih6wp]

The nagging feeling you had was your human intuition & gut instinct. Take care.

[@savedfaves]

It’s called Karma.

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

HEY Z! Have a conversation with a dude by the name of Cole Robinson. He has a lot of good ideas about health (proper fasting, exercise etc.) and some really bad (leaning antivax), so I am sure it is gonna be a useful conversation, especially for the hundred thousands of people following him.

[@garyincremona726]

Just share these with him vaccine-injury.info/pdf/vaccinepeerreview.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0DNjMZ7-ZWMP9DbXgU-7D5aN2qxYFY-AYlFEg5XqCz91d0BRXh1olfGso

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

Celebrity health advice is killing people...'s wallets.

[@BeautyforAshesRedeemed]

Thank you Dr. Offit ❤️

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

ask him how rich he is 😤😭🤗😘

[@msheart2]

The danger of you and offit who wishes he was hated, he's irrelevant. Tell them about how " you can never say mmr doesn't cause autism but you better getting used to saying it... otherwise it's leaving a door open which should be left open" Paul. I see google has wiped that and Carol Baker the tub, from yt,

[@MK-ih6wp]

What are you referencing?

[@savyjett]

Unless that actor I’d Mayim Bialik. 😉

[@darkydoom9955]

YEEESSSSS get excited about science! Unabashful, full blown geeky nerd ;-)

Here in Romania, 59 kids died from measles in 2 years! ☹️

[@dollypanchamiya9984]

you know i read somewhere a journalist was murdered bec he had unearthed the fact that these pharma ppl release a virus to scare ppl and force them to take their vaccination somehow i believe it to be true ...period they scare us so that we look through them and fall for their tricks..

@@dollypanchamiya9984 In the old times,what pharma people where there to release viruses? Because measles killed a lot of people before vaccines where discovered.

[@jrdelamancha9360]

These guys are pure evil!!!!!!!

[@salhal271]

I am vaccine-hesitant, but this was a great interview. I did feel like the anti-vaxxers at the window seemed staged (but who's to tell for sure). However, what I thought this interview missed the most was discussion of the whistleblowers William Thompson and Andrew Zimmerman. You talked much about how if people think there's a conspiracy, there's nothing you can do about that. Well, take the big parts of why people think there's a conspiracy and dissect that. Everything that I have read about these two stories so far has been far from satisfactory. In addition, you mentioned Andrew Wakefield wondering if he had narcissism. I laughed because I have studied narcissism a lot and have wondered if the pharmaceutical CEOs have just that. I have read extensively about Andrew Wakefield with an open mind. I have read much of Brian Deer's work with actual consideration. But in the end, I come out believing Wakefield, and feel that his rebuttals of his accusations are legitimate. And if he's telling the truth, this is one more piece to point to conspiracy. These things need to be addressed beyond, "There is no conspiracy; Thompson was a little looney, but don't worry, the data he gave didn't in fact point to MMR and autism increase in black babies; and Wakefield drew blood at a birthday party." Uhhh... The second critique I have, and it's for both this interview and the pro-vax stance in general is the hysteria over measles. It's really hard to take the pro-vax stance seriously when they blow something way out of proportion. Not just out of proportion, but as I see it, odds are in my favor of getting measles and being protected from Hodgkin's Lymphoma and Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma vs the small number of people who die from measles. That's not to mention MMR side effects. Unless you have a rebuttal to this (I would like to hear it), the panic over measles really makes me feel like the pro-vax side is blowing smoke. Never exaggerate. It is so obvious to those of us that are carefully reading and thinking critically. This interview did address what's wrong with natural immunity. But I found that discussion very lacking and unpersuasive. That said, I did find Paul Offit to seem a much better person than I imagined. I appreciated his care that he seemed to exude. This is much more persuasive than the typical eye-rolling feel I often get from the pro-vax side when they address anti-vaxxers. No, our concerns are not out there, completely illogical. They make a lot of sense. I want someone in the pro-vax side to address them without the snark. It's like talking to someone who degrades you and your thoughts. It doesn't help persuade you at all. Just makes you feel like they are a dick who doesn't listen. Always open conversations. Many of Paul Offit's responses in this were thus. So thanks. I write comments like this (questions and criticisms) on anti-vax videos as well, so don't take this personally. Please take it as constructive criticism, and what can be addressed in the future. Because so far I am unconvinced on the vaccine side. But I would like to be convinced, as I have nothing to lose if they truly are safe. I am all and only about a good constructive debate where we all have the safety of children in mind. Bring up the points. Bring up the data. Let your opponent scrutinize them. And everyone addresses the best points of the opponent, not only their weakest points. Because we all just want truth, not just to be "right." Right?

[@salhal271]

There is one more thing I would like to challenge you on: You, ZDogg, said you have seen a chickenpox death. Maybe you didn't mean it. Maybe you meant you've heard of it, or that you've seen pictures or videos somewhere. But considering before the vaccine only 100-150 people a year in the US died of the chickenpox, and I doubt you've been practicing medicine since before 1995, have you REALLY seen a child die of chickenpox? I don't think this was planned on your part to say, but come on. Let's just say it how it is. I know some children die of some vaccine-preventable diseases. But so many physicians are claiming they have seen this death or that death, but the numbers would not agree with most of them. And somehow even mentioning they have seen a case of measles, even though it doesn't result in death, is often a slam dunk for the pro-vax doc, because most of the people watching the video assume that means they died. That's how scared people are. But I already mentioned measles ridiculous scare, so I'm done.

[@MK-ih6wp]

@@salhal271 This was the best comment on this page & had to scroll all the way to the bottom to see it. Are you still hesitant? Did you get a C19 vaccine? Keep asking good questions. Cheers.

[@joycec3977]

CMEs!!! I"m getting so excited!!

[@artgirl96]

❤

[@mattflannery1023]

Zdogg I love you but wtf? People or person pounding on the glass and shouting? How did this person find your exact location? Why not just send someone out to talk with them instead of loading guns and calling the police. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but you do a disservice to confused people only adding to the hysteria.

[@lvlyhair29]

It sounded totally staged

[@chedca]

@@lvlyhair29 it's not it was the father of a child killed by vaccine

[@chedca]

nick catone's child was killed by a vaccine. zdogg / offit have a right to be scared :/

[@chedca]

did he edit that part out? im having trouble finding it

[@MK-ih6wp]

@@chedca how do you know? Where can I read more?

[@ToneArm56]

Who's that knocking on your door. It's not an antivaxxer. it's Mr. FOLEY!

[@kinpatu]

Disclaimer: I’m not an anti-vaxxer, and I work in a field of hard science. I think the Department of Nutrition at the Harvard Chan School of Public Health (where basically all dietary advice from the medical community originates) is completely full of crap. Many people would be better off listening to alternate sources. Does that make me anti-science?

[@peterwrang4344]

It's not necessarily your opinion or "what you think" that makes you anti-science, it's how you reviewed your sources and if you questioned it by applying critical thinking. Saying something is 'crap' is not useful to anyone, but explain to me why you think that. Does that make it more clear?

[@kinpatu]

A few reasons. One is personal experience. In an attempt at brevity... I followed their dietary guidelines strictly for nearly all of my adult life, with quite deleterious results to my health. I never deviated, as I was convinced that their recommendations are science and evidence based. A couple years ago, I finally decided to try something else (low carbohydrate, high fat), and the results were incredible. I effortlessly got to a BMI of 21 and maintain it; A1c, lipid panel, CBC, every blood marker improved. Somehow motor & verbal tics stopped. Skin issues resolved. I could go on and on. Suffice it to say the turnaround was of such a magnitude that it was life changing. That left me wondering, how is it that I'm doing the opposite of what science says and getting these results? Then I looked more into how the guidelines were established and was rather dismayed at the level of politics involved and the weakness of the evidence. The main backbone of the guidelines is epidemiological studies, food frequency questionnaires, and statistical models to deembed confounding variables. Since I work in a field that often has to use complex mathematical models, I know how prone these can be to error, and unfortunately bias by the people controlling the models. I also find it curious that since the Swiss Re conference on diet, where Walter Willett was present, and saturated fat was more or less exonerated, the Harvard school has gone on a tear releasing 'studies' and letters about the dangers of low carbohydrate dieting. The latest (search for Harvard Health Publishing, "Should You Try the Keto Diet?") is a complete mischaracterization of what the diet actually is, filled with dubious warnings and scary language. Their findings just have no credibility from my vantage point. In Willett's latest edition of his dietary advice book, he even writes a short section where he begrudgingly acknowledges that the ketogenic diet can work for some people. But I guess since that writing (a couple years ago) he's switched back? Hard to tell. Somehow I wasn't surprised to find that he was rebuked by the journal Nature in the past. Remember when the limit on dietary cholesterol was 300mg/day? Since 2015, it's "not a nutrient of concern." Changing the number from 300 to say, 400~500, would be understandable, but to basically go from such a low limit to unlimited? What was the evidence base from 1977-2015? Shoddy. Obviously, I've failed at being concise. In summary, I feel that the guidelines at this point represent the social policy of a few individuals and the momentum built up from decades of poor advice, not an objective interpretation of the evidence base.

[@peterwrang4344]

I'm happy that LCHF worked for you and I hope it will continue to do so. However, that's one anecdotal incidence and most national recommendations are made to fit as many as possible. Obviously, there are no solutions that works 100% for everybody without any sort of complications, so there will always be alternatives (although LCHF is not as alternative as many other methods) that work better for some. It's very hard to recommend LCHF for everybody as a general advice, but for some it works, and that's great. As for someone changing opinion, that's how science work? Research is only true until it isn't and it will always be in flux. Now, I'm not from the US, so I don't know what your recommendations are but I do see patients on a daily basis where these types of alternative diets are just harmful. You are obviously allowed to beleive what you want, but just because something works or doesn't work for you specifically, that doesn't make it true for everybody else. Usually the national recommendations are the sum of something that 'most' can agree on is the safest option for the most people and they always run the risk of people treating them as gospel. It's awesome that you did your own research and tried a new diet that works for you and as long as you feel good you should keep doing it, just remember that we are all different.

[@kinpatu]

Thanks for your note. I feel I should clarify that I don't make any recommendations for other people; I just convey my anecdote to people who are struggling with weight loss and other health issues. In my personal experience (key conditional phrase), the guidelines were detrimental. I don't have a body of evidence to suggest that the population at large should be eating LCHF. That doesn't mean they shouldn't; I just can't make that claim. Your comment does get to one point of contention. If the guidelines help a majority of people but harm a minority, I believe that's a different case than if the results for the minority are only slightly beneficial or indifferent. Perhaps the guidelines should be revised to the effect that they aren't for everyone and there are alternative ways of eating that benefit some people. To their credit, the ADA has recently shifted (somewhat) to this approach. I'm curious if in your country the rates of excess weight and obesity are better among medical staff than they are in the general population. In the US, the answer is either no, or not by much. As it's well known that being overweight is an independent risk factor for many forms of chronic disease, I have to conclude that either the medical staff are unaware of the guidelines (unlikely) or are a reflection of the result of the guidelines. Wrapping this back to the subject of the video, I have personal family experience with ASD, as well as coworkers who have direct experience. And unfortunately, I've had to watch as people who should know better have gone down the anti-vaccine rabbit hole, never to return. I looked into the 'evidence' myself and found it totally lacking. But I often wonder if I am doing something similar with the dietary recommendations: how can my personal experience be in such stark contrast to Nutrition Science? I don't have the answers, but I don't believe that the people making the recommendations have the answers either.

[@MK-ih6wp]

@@kinpatu your last paragraph is full of insight. I wish you would reexamine the anti vaccine evidence today. Perhaps you would see things differently now.