The dangers of living off-grid in Star Citizen...

[@timteeling7348]

Interesting Macky. I was at Harpers Pont last week in a Carrack exploring when a vehicle flew over when I was in the URSA going up the hill. THAT could have been you. What a small Verse we live in??

[@capnsquirrel4017]

I have to say Ryan, I have watched quite a few of these off-Grid Nomad videos and the 0 to hero Hard mode videos and I am always impressed with the amazing footage and editing you have put together. You really capture the essence of adventure and feel of what Star Citizen can be. Well done man! It is truly inspiring.

[@SuperMacBrother]

Thank you my friend, and thank you for all of the support too o7

[@NoticalMyles]

Once I was clearing NPCs in a crashed ship when I noticed my crimestat went up. Turns out one of them was actually another player. Revived him, but i felt pretty bad. Glad you got your stuff back on that one.

[@Glathgrundel]

I did a bunker mission once and I looted a NINETAILS armour set ... just as I was leaving, a guy turned up and popped me, thinking that I was part of his mission. If you look like a duck and quack like a duck, I guess you're fair game in the hunting season.

[@jaydee5203]

Awesome video! The biggest danger I’ve found is my carrack repeatedly exploding for mysterious reasons

[@bakad7424]

Indeed. I still love her though lol.

[@remedize]

Lately I've stopped setting anything on the ground in the ship. Has been good since.

[@klikk99]

Wait until engineering comes, along with a whole slew of new mysterious reasons for your carrack to blow up

[@DisgruntledPOG]

I am literally the danger on this

[@adlordt5202]

I sneak onto Carracks and blow them up-for mysterious reasons. My own mysterious reasons. Lately I’ve had the suspicion that it was the SAME guy, and the SAME Carrack I was blowing up-OVER and OVER and OVER. It’s really been creeping me out-lurking in the room next to the medbay, hearing someone get in to set their spawn point, gradually maneuvering so I can peek through the window, hoping and praying that it won’t be “him”. But it’s always “him”… Always. Dammit. I lurk in the hallways, and linger over his shoulder while he’s flying-wanting to say something. I want to say “HI!”, really really loudly. Maybe I could even make my first friend who wasn’t a relative! Who knows…? Instead I set the self-destruct on the Pisces in his hangar bay. When he goes to investigate the explosion, I set the self destruct on the Carrack. I always open random doors when I get on board (and leave them open, hoping that he’ll be the first to speak, and open up a dialogue-maybe invite me to officially be in charge of the ship’s turrets. But he never says anything at all. What am I, a ghost? He acts like those random open doors have no meaning! So I communicate using the self-destruct. It’s the only language I’m truly comfortable utilizing when I feel awkward. Anyway, TLDR; Your post really caught my attention. We seem to be stuck in opposite game loops!

[@DaUnaDistanza]

Not enough repurcussions for murder like that. I hope for the past 10 years of development this game doesn't turn into a fucking Galaxy sized team death match....

[@woogle463]

Your hope is misplaced. lol.

[@hectorheathcote9495]

What those two guys did to you at the settlement is exactly why I always go out fully armed and armored. Been living out of my ships since 3.17 and have had quite a few encounters with other players., some good, but mostly bad., but as long as no weapons are pointed at me, I'm no threat to anyone. Been killed and have killed many times, but that is how the game is. Love the nomad life and would like to find out more about the protection for hire as I am interested in doing it. Great vid as always, Ryan.

[@FltCaptAlan]

I came across one of these unmarked settlements after a bounty, got shot in the back by the resident Nine Tails for existing (pare for the course with 9T) so I pulled my A1 out after respawning, went to my body marker, and decided to have some fun As for the "Nomad" style life, I tried it, but my main source of income is trading in the Hull C, so I still tend to be found chugging around as a space trucker

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

These things happen. But rare that you get both an apology AND compensation.

[@DisgruntledPOG]

I let my intrusive thoughts win. Felt bad after

[@Libertas_P77]

It’s always a shame when players who are armed just kill a near unarmed other player clearly being friendly. Right now there’s insufficient consequences, but also it’s just a little silly because it really doesn’t get either side anything largely.

[@ivanbluetarski9071]

these are the same people that complain about it being unfriendly in the verse lol

[@IkarosTypeAlpha]

I do hope when there are actual consequences for death, they do encourage people to not murder hobo. It's fine that the game let's you attack anyone, but it'd get really old having every encounter be hostile

[@cyberg_war]

I think the post on the hill is Razor's Edge and the lower farm is Moreland Hills. ALso as Im sure you now know, SM is coming as soon as this week in the PTU. Multiple servers within stanton on the same shard and they are planning 300 people per server limit. Things are moving very, very fast now. THey expect thousands of players per shard in a matter of a couple months. JSYK, when scanning, put your crosshairs on it and it'll scan much quicker and better. When database is running slow may have to look away then look back and scan again, but the crosshairs are the key not the box in the circle.

[@Libertas_P77]

What all the new points of interest on Hurston and Microtech show me, is how essential these and a lot more will be to making exploration and living out of your ship in the verse truly enjoyable. I love visiting them, scavenging for random things other players might have left behind or picking up the boxes so I can stock up my ship with them so crew can access the contents when others join me. It’s great, and the more of these points of interest they roll out, with each one being slightly different and hand crafted (that’s really important for me), the better.

[@Glathgrundel]

I wish those fires put out a bit of warmth ... like when you're about to expire from the cold, you could get a bit of health back by warming yourself next to the campfire, but if you get too close, your health goes down because you are overheating.

[@freelancerthe2561]

@@Glathgrundel "overheating" a fancy way of saying you set yourself on fire?

[@harrasika]

But I think what would make exploration even more fun if there were a lot more natural POI (some cool caves/ hills/ animal nests) instead of just man-made ones. Would feel much more natural and real.

[@marcusgijsberts862]

That defence force sound really interesting to me as a fellow nomad.

[@rixxy9204]

21:47 ... Welcome to SC community

[@DisgruntledPOG]

That's me...

[@rixxy9204]

@@DisgruntledPOG Shoot first, ask questions later?

[@DisgruntledPOG]

​@@rixxy9204shit happens, I got shot at not long before than he came walking up. I feel bad after but I wasn't taking chances when I thought he could be the guy who tried to pop me

[@rixxy9204]

@@DisgruntledPOG There were two of you so that's not an answer. You didn't even bother looking at the text or listening to the chat

[@h3llofademon]

I also experienced that if you park and log out anywhere near Harpers Point, your vehicle is either sent to the Hurston star or does not move at all. Or worse, they get stuck in the terrain even if you park them and use a ground vehicle to check around / mine for 10 mins or more and return. The terrain near the settlements is not safe and so deadly for ships.

[@Bell_the_Cat]

Nice vid, loving the off-grid vibes lately. Between you and Farrister, I think we get a pragmatic and realistic approach to what's available and what's coming.

[@Drivertilldeath]

That is what i am going to do. Carrack will be my home just like you said. This is the way to go.

[@michaelpease2103]

I didn't realize there was loose loot like those gems at the farmstead. This actually makes me extremely interested in exploring and finding unnamed locations!

[@Rockyroad321]

Ye apparently there’s a bunch. Not sure exploration is worth it tho cuz the planets are huge and it’s not like you’ll just randomly come across a place like this.

[@Wagalogo]

It's outstanding how many things will be different in 3.23 compared to now in 3.22

[@MrTim4pc]

love how that ended up playing out! SC isn't a shoot on sight game thank god!

[@Erudire]

Newish to the Verse, but up to speed, with multiple ships and ground vehicles. Like many others here, I appreciate the danger that exists, and it is only rational to find effective ways to counter it. I am happy to team up with any friendlies for patrols and settlement security. Maybe we could pick one as a hub and start there.

[@quentosgersiddii8324]

I was thinking along the same lines as you SMB but my character will be in a Cutty blue as a semi-retired crusader securiy officer.

[@Planum.]

I've gone there off grid and an Eclipse and a 350i destroyed my ship while I was on the ground...Fortunately I found a abandonned Aurora 2km away, on the hill That's the type of gameplay I love

[@robertpalozzola6413]

Civilian defense forces a very organic idea ,a positive force of combat great idea They need log cabins and tents that would be really cool

[@suboptimal4539]

I really hope CIG finds a way to allow us to salvage ships that are in armistice zones (or ways to move them out), without breaking the game.

[@festersmith8352]

I pulled one out of an AZ with an SRV that said "gamerules". No CS was acquired for doing it. So the Vulture should be able to do the same, within reason for the size of the ship. Haven't tested the Vulture's TB mass limit yet.

[@Rockyroad321]

I think in general salvage being against armistice zone rules makes sense to some extent. Like imagine if a vehicle junkyard existed in the middle of a city, it’s just out of place for that type of work to be within an official area. But as for gameplay I agree. There’s tons of abandoned ships at new Babbage surface entrance but they always have their shields up so either way we lose. I even tried salvaging my own ship I lost ownership of but the shields were up so I couldn’t do anything.

[@Rockyroad321]

@@festersmith8352vultures TB limit is pretty low. I wasn’t even able to move a Pisces (might’ve been glitched tho)

[@festersmith8352]

@@Rockyroad321 Biggest I have moved so far with the Vulture TB was a Vanguard. Haven't tried any larger yet. Could always call out in GC for an SRV to move the bigger ones for you.

[@Whologin]

I would take part in a combat air patrol too.

[@stuartthurstan]

Unless they're planning on releasing a cut down shell of what the game was "supposed" to be I can't see 1.0 being any closer than 4 or 5 years.

[@festersmith8352]

And that is a very realistic mindset on the subject.

[@snaggletoof1927]

These settlements are great. They definitely add a touch of lived in realism to the PU. Can't wait to see more of these and those big depots CIG have in the works. Thanks for the great video, Mac!

[@JohanVermuyten]

I’m still keeping score - 30+ encounters with people, only 4 friendly ones ( only 1 on voip ). All others i would be shot on sight, no matter what kind of communication i tried 😅. BliNdIo o7

[@velocitymg]

I know right, it sucks when people want to shoot first, loot later...I'd just like to meet people and ask about the area, what they have seen, what's interesting, what danger there is etc, especially if animals come in and there's giant predators about. A little bit of two way communication and social interaction would be nice rather than just kill kill kill

[@Qwarzz]

It is quite strange. There's really nothing to be gained from killing other players unless there's a bounty to be collected (and this mostly for reputation). It's not for challenge either.

[@IkarosTypeAlpha]

@@Qwarzz unfortunately people are just dicks. This happens in every game with open PvP, regardless if there is a reward or not. CIG really needs systems to discourage murder hobos or else the game is going to be a mess when it comes to social interactions. I'm sure they have plans and it's not important right now

[@Qwarzz]

@@IkarosTypeAlpha I do know that. Currently SC PVP is either for fun between PVP players or to enjoy suffering of someone who doesn't want to do it. I did my share of PVP in EVE Online slaughtering helpless miners in low sec (and sometimes in 0.0. But those mining modules were quite valuable and risking a Rifter was well worth it. Getting caught in 0.0 could hurt however since those clones weren't free.

[@LarryRoberson1893]

I just now finally bought a PC and will be getting this game soon. Not going to lie, other than trading, being a nomad and just exploring will be the biggest part of my time spent in this game thanks to your videos! I hope I see you around.

[@everettumphrey]

Not a bad idea to provide security, even a medical ship that travels planetside for the communities, but with the CR8 being only a t3 med bed, at least an ability to call a larger ship a med bed can provide more. I don't think the Communities NPC will go via transport to a station and return including small player bases, recovering from an attack that did destroyed the medical housing or ship.

[@JonMcMenamin777]

Always look forward to these off the grid videos!

[@williamlewis1805]

Ha that YOU whistling? Wow

[@williamlewis1805]

It’s a true skill you have!

[@evisfree9639]

I want to find somewhere to live. I love the idea of living off the grid. I have a drake vulture for work. My dream ship is the 600i with a mirai to travel around the area. I need tips on places to live, I’m still new.

[@ITHYANDEL]

I beleive the game would gain tremendously by having vocational quest archetypes, lose series of missions helping you progress in a specific profession. Making sure the early missions are safe for newbies and help filter comms and missions at a "guild" level before legal vs illegal.

[@LostTerminalVideos]

Hey Mac, great video as always. Just a heads up with the VOIP, there seems to be an issue with it where it needs to be refreshed (turned off and back on) for players who have been in the server for a while to hear anyone who has joined after them. Not sure if that was the issue you had with it, but it's been my go-to fix for when VOIP isn't working

[@sketto1283]

Really interested in Citizens of Pyro and seeing how rep will playout with living off the grid.

[@DawnstealerGaming]

Whoa - that dude's helmet was cool, though: don't think I've seen that one before [edit - nm, just a weird angle]

[@Rockyroad321]

In impressed at how you manage to do off grid gameplay despite there not being much foundation for that type of gameplay. Not being able to wear backpacks in normal clothing annoys me the most.

[@mrvandamir7954]

Only issue I have with the new poi is that bed logging will put you in the sun.

[@SuperMacBrother]

I think that only happens when you change regions. Keep an eye on that, next time you beg log, when logging back in, stick to the same region, as I’ve only noticed it send me to the sun once I switch

[@grymrammsolkbyrt6203]

Liked the video, though have you ever tried the Nomad for the Nomad lifestyle? Can put the roc on the back for mining.

[@cprn.]

Also, where did you get a flight jacket? :( I found the Invictus one but lost it during the wipe...

[@Legion_Victrix]

@Ryan: Do you think 1.0 also means new solar systems? I mean, if server meshing works for Pyro and Stanton, what holds them back from giving us the system that host Levski? Cheers

[@SuperMacBrother]

I think post 4.0 we should see nyx come along pretty sharpish. Hopefully before 1.0 infact, with 1.0 bringing a system like Odin perhaps. Hard to say really as it really but I think that for a 1.0 they would want about 3-5 systems available minimum. But that is just an opinion of course. I suspect the progress tracker will reveal their plan

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

@@SuperMacBrother I think you're pretty much exactly right. A very long time ago they said they were shooting for 5-10 systems for "launch," but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're thinking 3-5 now. I also think Nyx will be coming very soon after Pyro, much faster than people are probably thinking. Much smaller system than Pyro or Stanton, so I think they might try to surprise us by releasing it with very short notice.

[@Legion_Victrix]

True.... thanks for answering @@SuperMacBrother

[@realnerdethan]

Love the videos! I wonder if you could have hired someone with an Argo SRV to rescue the Vulture. Might have been a way to engage with another player.

[@acemcbeanpiff]

i've tried out watching a lot of different creators as i got into SC lately and I think you are my fav :)

[@cprn.]

Yeah, whenever I go have fun (meaning I roleplay silly shit) people tend to kill me after deciding they have no idea what I'm doing and it's not safe to let me roaming around in case I'm plotting some brilliant heist of their precious vessels.

[@ED-2.0.9.]

How does one know if a hulk/hull is owned, reclaimed, abandoned, or what, pls?

[@timjerrom7173]

Really like your videos SMB, and that's the reason why I love for the exploration and hate for the pvp criminals so I don't venture out at all. My first time mining by hand I was deep in a cave when my ship on the surface was blown up by someone who just left me to die. I mean in pvp areas like grimhex where I have been chased around the asteroids by someone trying to gun me down and that being a criminal area that was great fun I guess, hardly go their anymore. :)

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

That was very like an NPC that blew up your ship outside of the cave. Sometimes it will spawn somebody's bounty hunting targets and they linger around shooting any ship they see, even if it's powered down. Had NPC's start attacking me while I was ROC mining one time.

[@RedKing1337]

10:26 How do you know if they are still owned? It has a player name under ship type?

[@lonewolf1313131]

You can find out by scan the ship if it say " gamerules" then the player is off servicer or reclaim so the ship is free to use

[@RedKing1337]

@@lonewolf1313131 oh cool thank you

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

SC 1.0 will require it's features to be far more than tier 0. THAT much is certain, otherwise what will be different than Alpha? I was expecting 4.0 patch to be the one where Alpha becomes Beta, but it seems they wanna jump that and go to "commercial standard"??? With an SC 1.0??? Keeping expectations in check.

[@Maurice2]

I love this kind of game play can’t wait do this type of things but as you sad its shoot first so i am always armed heavily

[@DT-vl8xm]

I was told I enlisted at a good time (2 Novembers ago) and boy it sure seems they were right! This is already my dream game and it's only getting better!... this game kinda turned into my happy place lol

[@l3igl3oi73]

I remember the same thing happening to me once, except I dropped the MOAB on them afterwards lol

[@inviktus1983]

Ahh star citizen.. It never gets old watching videos of people talking about the coming golden age of SC, over footage of being defeated by.. *checks notes..* the ground glitching out.

[@Octobouch]

1.0 isnt for 2025 no way. Theyre talking about it because 4.0 is almost here and they need to ask whats next. But there is still soooo much to do gameplay and then balance wise. Data running, engeneering etc, proper exploration,

[@DashtonPeccia]

These videos are always really relaxing. Thanks for the content, Mac!

[@philipfoster3074]

Aweome video, I had a recent similar experience at Ghost Hollow. While salvaging wrecks got pirated by a couple folks, ended up crashing my Vulture, but they were really cool guys and we chatted, all in all it was good game play. Would you share your eye tracker settings, your movements look so smooth mine are pretty quick and jerky. Also is the eye tracker moving your scanning hud? Keep up the great vids.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

I'm optimistic meself, in terms of temperament. But I am also a believe it when I see it kind of guy as well. I have found that I spent more than I thought, and while it's been cumulative spending, it's STILL a shock to find just how much I have spent on SC. So going forward I am going to be far more cautious, even though I know that cumulative total will (no doubt) climb. 3.23 will have to be as promised to make me feel better about what I have spent.

[@_Kaurus]

When you buy Tobii tracker from tobii with a discount, you will pay shipping and import taxes.

[@captainvlad]

If you ever come back to your ships at these settlements and find a phallic figure burned/scraped into your hull, know it was me

[@captainvlad]

We could call the diffence force the Marshall's

[@Nemethon]

Had a lot of player killer on the server in my area. I try this again when Pyro is out and the bored pvp guys have something better to do then killing vulture pilots.

[@aaroncurran9690]

Sometimes? haha that's pretty much the normal interaction whenever I have seen another person haha

[@macrot5419]

LOVE LOVE LOVE this series!!! I hope you keep these up.

[@warren3174]

I just popped in there hoping I had your server, but I found myself all alone. lol

[@TiredEyeBags]

I think the toughest part without all this is that voip seems not to work most of the time. Atleast for me anyway. So talking to people in game is rough

[@SuperMacBrother]

It seems viop turns itself off again. It was working fine for the most part, but recently its reverted back to broken lol 😂

[@TiredEyeBags]

@@SuperMacBrother Mine never works. for some reason. I check all my settings and they are set up right but noone can ever hear me. Could still be something Im doing wrong but its made the new Overdrive event tough when playying with random players

[@MorisCami]

I am looking to get back into sc very soon. Just need to find some ppl to play with

[@festersmith8352]

I'm here

[@ilikelife5401]

What’s with the horrible texture pop in and LOD draw distance these days? Is this an ssd vs HD problem or something else?

[@festersmith8352]

Could be lag/ping since the environment is streamed into your pc.

[@PatrickHoodDaniel]

I like the CDF gameplay. Dang, just shot you in cold blood. You came in , whistling, being friendly. Not nice! No comms array active in the area, so they didn't get a crime stat. My friend an I have been trying servers other than the US to find nice bunches of players and we have genuinely found that the EU is pretty friendly. Maybe using a friendly emote as a backup for voip not working.

[@AAK625]

You could have used your Pisces to probably flatten out and stabilize your Vulture. Oh, and sorry you got shot haha.

[@scifrygaming]

I really like these vids! Your much nices then I am ... I probably would have started cursing at him lol You seem to have a better approach :D

[@Finch334]

I'd be up for some settlement protection gameplay send me the guy's details. You do you have a community discord?

[@Brian-WolfmanJack99]

Are there kiosks at these farms in order to fill up your cargo ship with commodities for sale?

[@SuperMacBrother]

Yeah. Dunboro has a scrap shop that sells it 👍

[@TrogART]

Yeah communication is key, we are social animals!

[@Kaydin910]

So I killed one of the 2 that you met on the ground tonight. Played him like a newb after he blew my ship up at a bunker. Straight complained in chat that I died while I was down in the bunker waiting for him to come down the elevator. Then someone in chat told me that he killed you while you were exploring. So some justice was served.

[@DecanFrost]

well, that wasnt nice... you can use your mining tool to suck all those gems up

[@mdiego3847]

I am up for joining a CDF. Great video.

[@BearanormalPodcast]

Wonderful as always Ryan! That intro music is pretty lit!

[@TheMNWolf]

If you do end up downed sometime, might I suggest you give the fine folks at Medrunner (of which I am one) a try? No charge for services while the game is in alpha.

[@volumeleet7667]

16:32 how did you deselect ship after targeting it?

[@hawk2086]

Alt + t

[@Norman_Peterson]

1:!5 agree and i say FINALLY. I like this "format"

[@HaroldPalmerYT]

This video series is fantastic!

[@Squigbillies]

I’ll be your personal Brady guard sometimes.

[@suboptimal4539]

👏🏼 well done as usual 🙌🏻. Keep them coming!!

[@CristianCiotti]

Those settlements needs to be protected, players needs some safe places to relax and explore without the risk of being attacked at all times.

[@freelancerthe2561]

Its called Deep space. Where the chances of encountering someone is infinitesimal

[@bimmerthing]

Can't wait for this to eb a game with exploration and purpose. Getting close!

[@donnikubbitz2146]

Ya it would be badass to eventually make this kind of behavior as bad as...well...doing uit irl I guess. Just like the last thing someone would want to think about unless their lives were in danger.

[@Tainted-Soul]

I cant believe people shoot first and say sorry I killed you later after they find out who you are. ok you was fully armoured and got guns out. but you had the time to shoot first so they should know your friendly. how can you check if VOIP is working . I would live out he carrack too if the vulture would fit on its bay LOL

[@specialcircs]

I can never get VOIP to work

[@canrrr-de8oq]

Canrrr here, Sorry for the mishap. Me and Agent_SideWinder was looking for a few people and we couldnt tell who you were. After downing you we came to a realization that it possibly wasnt you who we were looking for and sent you compensation for the troubles. Hopefully one day me and Agent_Sidewinder will replicate the off-grid series. o7

[@SuperMacBrother]

It’s all good mate. I appreciate the want to make up for it, it proved to me that you genuinely didn’t mean to do it, and I think of comms were working, it would have turned out ok. It’s a little difficult when we’re all just staring at each other haha o7

[@DisgruntledPOG]

Agent_sidewinder here. He covered most of it. I was the trigger-happy one. I'd already been shot at that session and no comms after some action sketched me out. Felt bad when I made the wrong call and hope next time I can talk it out. ​@@SuperMacBrother

[@Shakalakahiki8]

How come you guys didn't look to global chat? Seems like a lot of options in the situation other than killing someone who didn't even have a gun out haha Glad you apologized though. That's big of you.

[@nashlos4519]

😂😂😂

[@kennyknapp5531]

Sounds like they are trolls who only made things right when they found out you had a youtube show. No matter what they said, there is no excuse for killing when someone is unarmed. Except you are a troll.

[@DisgruntledPOG]

Dude! I had no idea it was you! Sorry for killing you and hope you enjoyed the goodies!

[@Retro_RackhamSC]

I have a theory about the two who killed you and sent money. Perhaps they were up to no good pirating or smuggling etc and wanted no witnesses. the money was a no hard feelings gesture. lol

[@DisgruntledPOG]

Negative, I'd just gotten shot at and when I wasn't getting a response on VoIP I shot. Felt bad when I realized he wasn't connected

[@omg-vert]

@21:48 ... aaaaand that's why I'm sick of MMOs and Randos. Pointless, shallow game play. Yeah, I guess they made up for it after but IMO this is not fun game play. Spend your whole game session to just get back where you started.

[@andrewbaker3576]

lol neat. But you should not be freezing uip like that in -17c. I think you're appropriately dressed for the weather ;p

[@Wolf_Rayet]

a civ defence force its a great idea,would be also cool if you can get better rep whit npc thet live there ,for youre protection,free meal an beer and stuff 😀

[@NightO2]

Best one ❤

[@CitizenScott]

Space is dangerous o7

[@starscream517]

I feel like you're playing what No Man's Sky achieved

[@bluexeyedxpassion]

should be titled the dangers in star citizen period lol

[@_Kaurus]

The game needs some serious work vs griefers. All they do is ruin the game for other players on purpose. 100% we need a pvp flag, though team damage should always be enabled at the same time.

[@lameisthenewcool5277]

people need to learn to turn their engines off after they land

[@SuperMacBrother]

Got nothing to do with it. I always turn them off. This is a geometry issue