The Dark Knight (2008) - Some Men Just Want to Watch the World Burn Scene | Movieclips

The Dark Knight - Some Men Just Want to Watch the World Burn: Alfred (Michael Caine) advises Bruce (Christian Bale) about the Joker (Heath Ledger).
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With the help of allies Lt. Jim Gordon (Gary Oldman) and DA Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), Batman (Christian Bale) has been able to keep a tight lid on crime in Gotham City. But when a vile young criminal calling himself the Joker (Heath Ledger) suddenly throws the town into chaos, the caped Crusader begins to tread a fine line between heroism and vigilantism.
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TM & © Warner Bros. (2008)
Cast: Christian Bale, Heath Ledger, Michael Caine
Director: Christopher Nolan
Producer: Christopher Nolan
Screenwriter: Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan
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[@parallels9010]

“Some men…just want to watch the world burn…” one of my favorite lines of all time.

[@reganator5000]

Also the earlier 'you hammered to the point of desperation, and in their desperation they turned to a man they didn't fully understand'. Because Alfred already knows that the mob hiring the Joker isn't going to end well for the mafia bosses, because the sort of man who wants to watch the world burn isn't so fussed as to who's in the flames.

[@kps.77]

This! And when Bruce asks how they dealt with the bandit and Alfred said - "we burnt down the forest!"

[@MPfit2]

Next tattoo

[@philippusviridi6527]

This sums op the democrat party in a nutshell.

[@SamuelBlack84]

I know how they feel

[@zvicm]

"some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." - Alfred Pennyworth

[@feet9100]

Agreed 🔥 📛

[@reganator5000]

Though he does kind of overlook the reasonable moral perspective on his example (i.e. a man taking a stance against corruption who couldn't out-bribe the british government. Few people can, given we already stole their money)

[@user-en1mj8uc5f]

Sounds awfully similar to the Terminator

[@laughtergang246]

Entropy

[@Wh4L205]

The Dark Knight Script writer has entered the chat*

[@kevinperkins4376]

“It’s not about money. It’s about, sending a message” ~The Joker~

[@TheGoodLuc]

"Everything burns."

[@TheJoker12323]

"You think I care about money, doc? I just want my monsters!" ~The Joker~

[@abisheksarkar]

I thought that was my dialogue during clash of clans. "It's not about the loot, it's about sending a message."

[@thewanderingronin5433]

Alfred was spot on. Joker was the first time bruce faced such a pure and chaotic evil, that's was without rhyme, reason, or purpose. The type of person who'll commit atrocities and laughs while doing and when asked why, he'll say " for the hell of it"

[@equivalentexchangeisalie5726]

True. The complete opposite of Ras and his moral code.

[@b3n583]

⁠@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726definitely. He wasn’t like Bane & Ras Al Ghul who wanted to put everyone at an economically & socially equal status. He cared for nobody’s social or economic status. By destroying morals and government, he could unleash humanity’s true nature. And humanity would do whatever it takes, even eating and killing each other, to survive. Joker in a sense reminded of Kim Jong il from Team America.

[@FourLuckyLeafs]

When asked he’ll say “because I can”

[@thespinosaurus2972]

But wasn’t the actions of joker seem like trying to show peoples true selves ? In the boat experiment he expected one group of people to blow up the others,And this is further supported by the intergoation scene I believe.

[@thespinosaurus2972]

I mean sure he is the most evil out of batmans enemies but he doesn’t seem to be doing this for the hell of it

[@cesaralejandro7725]

Alfred saying some men just want to watch the world burn is so true. Some people don’t care about money, and just want to hurt people.

[@teddybruscie]

Not even hurt people as much as just creating chaos or destroying a system. I think people refer to Ledger's Joker as an Anarchist. I don't know how accurate that is, but if that is the case his goal is destroy the system by any means necessary. Or he's just a chaotic mad man who neither wants to hurt or not hurt anyone.

[@juanzingarello4005]

Its a perfect encapsulation of the type of antagonist the Joker is. Other enemies fit the bill too. I think of Vile from the Megaman X series when he says "Mayhem, Doom, and Destruction. That's what we were built for."

[@operator9858]

that all sounds great...except the bandit wasnt a bandit and was just trying to protect his home and who couldnt be bought, and it was alfred who actually burned down the forest didnt he? and the real magic here? none of you noticed and cheer him as the hero.

[@randomfullywonderful]

Democrats.

[@cesaralejandro7725]

@Garda X facts

[@StepaniM]

One of the most powerful and scary lines in cinema in my opinion. As kids, villains were just villains, and heroes were just heroes. With time, we learned that heroes are flawed and that villains are wounded. This was the first time since childhood that our generation (born in 1990-95) saw one of the best known monsters brought to the big screen and he wasn’t a wounded child or broken man. He was the same kind of monster we knew villains to be as children. Someone who just wanted to watch the world burn.

[@t34r]

Not every villain needs a sad motivation. Sometimes it's also cool to see a villain who is unapologetically evil.

[@zacharytrosch3406]

This is deeper than that. The cackling cartoon villains of our childhood were evil because they wanted power, they wanted to rule the world, or they had the specific aim to destroy or take over something. Joker's evil is more terrifying because there is absolutely no driving force behind it, except chaos for chaos's sake.

[@christianjimenez199]

​@zacharytrosch3406 The spiritual realm exist, was Alfred was getting to is so much deeper than we can imagine

[@Sanarthain]

Not rly, If you see Joker the movie you can get a good point in why this villains are villains too.

[@christianjimenez199]

@Sanarthain Heath Ledger resembled something different, it displayed reality in some way.

[@jackhsu3458]

Alfred: "You crossed the line first, sir. You squeezed them, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand. With respect Master Wayne, Perhaps this is a man you don't fully understand either." Such powerful words, Batman maybe tough and skilled, but compare to what Alfred has been through, Batman has a long way to go.

[@theoutlawking9123]

Alfred is former SAS, a trained killer. Bruce is afraid to spill blood, he's a child, not in Alfred's league.

[@martianknight6341]

@@theoutlawking9123 -high 5-

[@TheCHILDRENofTV]

@@theoutlawking9123yes and yes

[@mediumchungus9662]

​@@theoutlawking9123always cracks me up when children like you make comments like that 😂

[@seanrodrigues8184]

​@@mediumchungus9662🤓

[@pandaman1331]

I really liked the chemistry between Alfred and Bruce in this trilogy. Christian Bale and Michael Caine aren't just great actors, their dynamic was great. Couldn't have been cast better.

[@lordgoro]

Look up "the Prestige"

[@pandaman1331]

@@lordgoro Already seen it multiple times. Great movie, perfect cast.

[@equivalentexchangeisalie5726]

@@pandaman1331 Have you seen the Illusionist with Edward Norton? Watch that too.

[@Foxtyl]

Hmmn I think Gerald Butler would of been more amazing as Batman. Michael ahh just spot on. 😊

[@pandaman1331]

@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 Thanks for the recommendation.

[@DinoJake]

"Some men just want to watch the world burn." The more time goes by, the more I'm convinced how true these words really are.

[@kiplingordon]

Couldn't agree more 👏🏿

[@laughtergang246]

Entropy only goes up

[@w_419]

Like Harvey said "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

[@nomenestomen3452]

Yeah, i bet this phrase have 80% of all MAGA's tattooed under their right axle.

[@Seba-yv2sl]

That thief in Birma, how did you catch him? We burned the forest down ~ Alfred

[@ronaldgrall8100]

Burma

[@themagroom]

@@ronaldgrall8100Myanmar

[@ronaldgrall8100]

@@themagroom ramree island

[@themagroom]

@@ronaldgrall8100The Battle of Ramree Island is the scariest story of all time. Good pull, Ronald!

[@ronaldgrall8100]

@@themagroom F yeah

[@dtay8913]

It's sadly poetic you guys uploaded batman videos today and we find out Mr. Kevin Conroy has passed. Rest in peace Batman.

[@dominictrujillo3323]

No... Batman is dead? 😢

[@bighand1530]

@@dominictrujillo3323 Unfortunately.

[@claudia-uy5gk]

Rest In Peace ❤

[@mq5731]

Mark Hamil will never do a Joker impression ever again…😢

[@Hunts4luv]

The greatest part about this scene imo is that Alfred fundamentally misunderstands the thief as well, which is really the entire point of the story. The government was using the gems to bribe the local tribesmen in exchange for loyalty. The thief removes the gems to presumably remove the bribery and in response the government burns down the whole forest in order to catch him. The story reflects the entire movie and adds to the unreadable multilayered aspect of the jokers character. It indirectly reveals his motives.

[@easy0828]

Wasnt Alfred a British spy? It would make sense that he helps the "government"/junta in Myanmar with corruption, killing freedom fighters and all that.

[@danielbetru2826]

This is my interpretation also. It's amazing this goes over most people's heads. The bandit is misunderstood.

[@dloc3576]

But didn't you just repeat what Alfred had already said? Or do u mean AT THE TIME, Alfred didn't understand the bandit?

[@horrorking6409]

I’m a little confused

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

You have no idea if that the bandit actually did that to help the people. If he really desired to have done that then he probably would've made it known that he despised the British regime and wants them gone, but he never did. He just enjoyed raiding and stealing as a hobby.

[@JustBobbyZ]

God this scene is so perfect. The way the music builds after Alfred says his speech and it pans to the Joker laughing

[@espi371]

Right? Every shot and use of soundtrack is well thought out.

[@GhostEye31]

"..My friends and I were working for the local government." Alfred juat casually dropping that he used to be a mercenary without making anything of it.

[@aquietone2895]

Powerful

[@Baseds_Backup_Account]

"There's nothing worse than a person with nothing left to lose."

[@johnstjohn1987]

This Movie was a MASTERPIECE. God Bless you Christopher Nolan.

[@epic9203]

"Some Men Just Want to Watch the World Burn" is probably the most honest thing said about the Joker and is the most accurate. It doesn't matter what his past is nor his backstory of why he is who he is. He just is what he is....

[@darania1]

Joker is Chaos Incarnate & Batman is Justice Incarnate...

[@felipecel]

RIP Kevin Conroy, the batman's definite voice.

[@bighand1530]

He will be messed

[@charlygray4166]

I’M BATMAN

[@anthonybraeckman3960]

Same with Arleen Sorkin and Richard Moll

[@march.7561]

There's a cool detail about this movie. Alfred talks about a bandit who stole precious stones (a very valuable currency) and threw them away, saying that some men want the world to burn. Later, Joker stole milllions of dollars and literally burned it.

[@Nantosuelta]

Michael Cane is one of the greatest actors of all time and this is a great example of his true talent

[@dontstop2517]

Michael Caine my god, such a way to tell a story.

[@operator9858]

ya...he can even convinced everyone that the other guy who couldnt be bribed and didnt want to see his land ravaged was a bandit and all things evil while he was the one who burned the whole place to the ground so they could get rich. what a microcosm for our way of life ya?

[@lithobreak3812]

​@operator9858 it seems that the bandit in the story was unrelated to the tribal leaders, if he was a freedom fighter he would have used money from selling the stone to fund anti colonial efforts, but that is besides the point, as trying to pin a motivation or alignment on the bandit is missing the whole point of the story

[@TreeckoBro]

It's a sad truth that there are indeed people out there that cause misery and suffering for the sake of it. No reason for it. No justification.

[@King_Of_Arkham626]

A line that perfectly describes me when I'm playing GTA

[@Zombiesnyder13]

"GREED IS FOR AMATEURS"

[@w_419]

"Disorder, Chaos, Anarchy... NOW *THATS* FUN!"

[@user-FUCKYOU18]

US lobbyists don't care about you

[@S.D.323]

I understood that reference

[@yitivitzen5239]

This is what makes this Joker and many other jokers scary, they have become an unstoppable force. They are men that have nothing to lose. It is to the point that even death isn't really a factor for them.

[@princessolmeca2933]

"Some men just want to watch the world burn." *In the Minds of Evil begins*

[@stevem.2311]

^^^This line and the line from Begins: "You've never tasted desperate..." - Falcone Are my absolute favorites! I still use and think of these lines in my daily life.

[@t.n.h.ptheneohumanpatterna8334]

One o f the best trilogy ever

[@smaranbhaktawara3905]

Chills down my back once Alfred said that quote

[@ianroth7178]

I saw a tangerine playing with a ruby the size of a child

[@25_26]

akcomar

[@RafaelAlmeida-dp1tb]

I saw a ruby playing with a child The size of a tangerine

[@husky3g]

Michael Cain should have gotten an oscar for his performance as Alfred in The Dark Knight. Having actors as good as Christian Bale and Michael Cain lead a superhero film makes them absolutely ludicrous. They're so good. I really believe that the reason these movies were so successful wasn't because it was Batman. It was simply because the script and the actors were perfect. I understand bringing in action stars for these movies - but people forget the reason that people love the characters in comic book films is because of the characters, not the action. If your actor can't portray a realistic version of the character that people believe, sure it can still be fun but it won't give people an experience of being in the situation. I feel like Bale's Batman was 100% thrown under the bus. Sure, they traded a lot of the actual comic canon of the character and the more "detective" nature of Batman to the wind for action and story, but I feel like this character could have been so much more. I am still sad that we've not gotten a Superman film that accurately portrays Clark and gives him a personality. The closest anyone has ever come was Tom Welling and he refused to don the cape ever again after the Smallville finale.

[@equivalentexchangeisalie5726]

That's how superhero movies used to be made. Director and character driven. Spider-Man 2, Dark Knight etc.

[@cthrekgoru]

This is the most awesome description of Joker.. . So simple but so accurate...

[@LoveHandle4890]

It’s a cycle of rebuilding and destruction and rebuilding and it never ends either.

[@Wherethehellarewegoing]

Not only was the line an instant classic and would've been even outside the meme/social media generation but the delivery of it is stunning

[@nickmedley4749]

Still get goosebumps…what a great line.

[@canadianturtle7240]

The delivery of that line was perfect. Great work, everyone who was involved in this scene. The actor, writer, director, y'all made cinematic history.

[@matane2465]

"Criminals aren't complicated, Alfred. 🎶They're a superstitious cowardly. They plan and plot but always get caught.🎶"

[@WDF51]

"Some men just want to watch the world burn." - Alfred (The Dark Knight)

[@vengeance3996]

My childhood Batman 🦇🦇🦇

[@JFP1988]

This line describes the Joker so well. Especially after seeing the joker film and the Jokers origin story it makes so much sense. What would money and fame mean to a man who was rejected by the world, a man who's whole life was a lie, even his own mother betrayed him.

[@weirdo1060]

Joker villain from The Dark Knight and the Arthur Fleck from the Joker are not similar. The former is cunning and ruthless whose damage came from careful planning. The latter is impoverished and deranged whose damage came from circumstance.

[@Rust_Rust_Rust]

Those are two different jokers. Those movies don't take place in the same universe

[@alexgremlin3680]

"Some Men... just want to watch the world burn." The words that make a villain who they are.

[@kyufc3s]

*"well. because he thought it was good sport."* the subtle sarcastic tone in this serious quandary is what got my attention, the rest is the sundae with the catch line being the cherry on top.

[@libertas_americana]

The irony of Alfred saying that. How was the bandit caught? Alfred and his friends burnt the forest down lol

[@kotarofuuma5608]

Alfred already told him that he can't changed joker, he can't be cured. The longer you let him lived, the more lives he's gonna take. Sometimes killing is necessary. The ideology that bruce trying to keep didn't apply when he's fighting superman, his literal friend just because superman has different ideology.

[@theoutlawking9123]

Exactly, it's funny that Bruce still hasn't learned what he needed to from that story, what Alfred was tryingto tell him: stop giving madmen chances!

[@rons1099]

Every line every scene in this movie was HEAVY

[@Local_yokels_monsters_myths]

Academy award winning acting, love that “LIMEY”!!! JJ

[@mcnyregrus]

Although that song is played at a different place in the film, the song "Watch the world burn" is also the best song on the soundtrack.

[@lolosghost1643]

I like how Alfred tells a story from his past that kinda suits the situation there in now

[@88ratul]

The Dark Knight is not a movie . Its an experience like no other. Everytime u watch it again u get to learn something new..

[@Titus_Vespasianus]

Sounds like he's describing Donald Chump..."they turned to a man they don't fully understand..."

[@Myrdden71]

Epic story and delivery by Michael Caine.

[@jamesmadison7551]

I think we all at one point of our lives "wanted to see the world burn."

[@Jackson_G]

“Some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men, just wanna watch the world burn.” -Alfred Pennyworth, The Dark Knight, 2008

[@johnreeveswilliamson7228]

I love that bit when Alfred is basically describing an absolute evil psychopath and while he is Bruce is just staring at the Joker on tele and he’s laughing.

[@braydenfarrell1177]

He isn't describing a psychopath, he is describing an insurgent whi conducted a series of military operations

[@connorkane1542]

Michael Caine was such an amazing Alfred, glad I saw him in my lifetime

[@mikebuck1897]

Great scene

[@SnacxAttac]

I love how he says 'some'. Alfred has been through all out the world, and all that he's seen, it's only the 'some' that shook him.

[@sportjames23]

I still get chills from this line.

[@aphapppaa]

Even afrer so many years I think this is the best film adaptation of Joker. The Joker is pure chaos. Every seemingly elaborate and genious plot is merely means to an end. Sow more chaos and mayhem. Truly "some men just want to watch the world vien"

[@ghostyface44]

Gonna miss his iconic acting

[@priscillaglenn6071]

So true 👿🔥👿🔥

[@Baseds_Backup_Account]

"All it takes is one bad day to drive the sanest man to lunacy."

[@Baseds_Backup_Account]

"That's how far away I am from the rest of the world, just one bad day."

[@Romnonaldao]

In a Batman movie the most important casting is Batman. The second most important casting is Alfred.

[@JD-ro4qi]

i love the parallel. in the gcpd’s desperation they turn to a man they didn’t understand and couldn’t be reasoned with and gotham’s crime lords did the same with joker…

[@thesimpsons17]

Most perfect description of The Joker there has ever been

[@hutyra_509hutyra4]

What makes it even better is that Joker admits to this later in the movie.

[@cindyr8656]

Alfred is literally talking about the men in charge of the world in real life. They don’t care about anyone or anything. They just want to make the rest of us miserable. That line stuck with me since 8th grade and I realized how true it is with people around me sometimes.

[@janneheimonen2595]

alfred is right someone thinks about money and someone dosent care about money❤

[@x100bullets]

This moment is great at conveying the power of a nihilistic movement

[@Baseds_Backup_Account]

"It's a lot scarier when there's no motive."

[@leandrobotchkarev7693]

Some men see a cup with water and see it half empty. Others see it half full. The Joker is the guy that tips the cup over

[@QuelloVeloce7]

You hammered me to this point

[@ryanames2442]

One of the greatest movie scenes of all time

[@randomfullywonderful]

He said "men" instead of "zers" and "thems", this movie couldn't be made today!

[@RySenkari]

Explains why there's so many videos of people smashing stuff for fun, when it's possible to get entire libraries of games, movies, and shows on a cheap smartphone, the kind of thing that would've kept me from ever being bored as a kid.

[@dominykasrudokas4034]

That scaning of face and trying to understand how to defeat Joker is really good choice of showing two adversaries. Batman is fighting criminals and tries to do it logically, woth advantage on his side. In other side, Joker cannot be scanned, reasoned woth, he is chaos and anarchy in living flesh, he has a plan, but relies on his skills as an agent of chaos. Logic vs chaos

[@Pengouinn]

That why im tired of these people pretending that the joker is misunderstood. He's the chaos incarnate.

[@jakehanson216]

I love how Alfred casually talks about his mercenary days

[@Baseds_Backup_Account]

"Targeting me, won't get their money back." Bruce, this is far more than just about money at this point.

[@jhlasound]

Too many times Hollywood comes up with stuff that perfectly describes the real world, while in the real world they don’t believe it. This speech is one of them . Evil is often simple

[@Cherryxbox]

I freaking love this line thank you so much Alfred and Christopher Nolan!!!

[@w_419]

That perfectly encompasses the nature of the Jokers character and why out of all the villain's that Batman has, HE is in my opinion the most dangerous and the most terrifying. The Joker doesnt do the things he does because of some cause or ideology, not for vengeance, not for profit or financial gain, not for power, not to be superior, not to prove that he is smarter than batman and certainly not for love. He does it because its fun.

[@friendlyneighborhoodnoob]

The Dark Knight movies are filled with memorable lines

[@vrex]

Everyone takes these words for granted and points to how Alfred is a true mastermind who can really read Joker like an open book when, in reality, he couldn't be further from the truth, and this scene is supposed to paint Alfred as a pompous know-it-all.

[@Navigator10016]

Words to live by.

[@LoveHandle4890]

As of 2020, a lot of people wanna watch the world burn.

[@nicksamuel8324]

He's like a dog chasing tangerines; he wouldn't know what to do with one if he caught it.

[@S.D.323]

or is he a tangerine chasing dogs?

[@AbSt3141]

"All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day." - Joker

[@gordoncameron8222]

The cutaways to Joker's face on the computer monitor add a lot to this scene.

[@nicksamuel8324]

Some men, just want tangerines.

[@KG-kq9tk]

1:08. I really like Bruce's quick reaction here. Bale's acting choice, wether intentional or not, makes it look like Bruce understood right there, before Alfred was even done speaking. Bruce is smart. It "clicked" eight there, and he immediately looks up at the screen to stare at Joker, realizing what he is. And he lets Alfred finish the story only to confirm the point to himself plus his basic manors and respect for Alfred of course. And then of course filmmaking wise, the audience needs to be told as well. But you can see Brice immediately snap into focus as soon as he "gets it" and realized what he's really dealing with.

[@LoveHandle4890]

1:08- 2020 in a nutshell.

[@DaScorpionSting]

If Ra's was alive he would've told Bruce to just kill the joker

[@nossenkanter]

Of course, that's the brilliance of this sequel. It's showing the sacrificial path Bruce has to take to uphold his creed, after rejecting that of the League of Shadows.

[@crypt0sFX]

Then he would be no different from Ra's.

[@theoutlawking9123]

​@@nossenkanter Yes, his hands remain clean but his city suffers. He remains the "good man" while the innocent bodies pile up.

[@theoutlawking9123]

@@ajitadonismanilal9105 Then Bruce is one guilty SOB.

[@archsyntropy6547]

@@ajitadonismanilal9105 All ideologies are prisons in an infinite universe.

[@fahtv3034]

I see as people who went thru alot and it always goes one of 2 ways like whats also said in this movie... you ether die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian.. some people just get tired of it after awhile.... and i dont think unless u have serious mental problems does a person just wake up one day and decides to go that route...

[@fahtv3034]

On top of that alot of what we would call villains both real and fictional except for the real crazy ones have been thru something crazy or a serious of things which can drive a person mad without the right support which not everyone has.... basically villains aren't born they're created with the exception of really mentally crazy people who just will or could never understand basic human emotion, right from wrong or some type of principles at least

[@Baseds_Backup_Account]

He deserved an Oscar for that line alone.

[@SilverFang2789]

Anyone who still asks "why does any version of Joker do what he does," needs to rewatch this scene because Alfred perfectly explains it. Joker sees the world as a cesspool and just wants to watch it burn. Why? Because he hates order.

[@lordgoro]

as do I

[@Ronn_V]

the same can be said ab Mrs. Robinson

[@leejee88]

i remember reading this analogy in the lovers and enemies batman story line

[@IcedDog]

What a brilliant scene, Michael Caine is great

[@Dewebje]

Story goes that when Nolan asked Caine to play Alfred, he refused because to him it was just a butler. But then Nolan told him Alfred would be way more and Caine agreed. This scène is an example of why Caine was the right choice.