The Death of Cinematic Universes

[@Cartoonshi]

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[@QuilLocke]

You're not the only one, mate. I'm sick of them too.

[@super48r]

got paid by the snail

[@kiroshow]

got paid by the other critters

[@topcatfan]

Weren't classified military documents leaked over arguments about the historical accuracy of that game

[@super48r]

@@topcatfan yep thats a normal tuesday for WT players (i can relate)

[@kingbash6466]

I still find it funny that out of all the cinematic universes that are still standing, it's the Monsterverse that's had the most success and praise outside of Marvel.

[@Wh4tIfN0]

A franchise made by fans, for fans. It’s what made many projects good, and the monsterverse is no different

[@leithaziz2716]

Lizard Sweep. (jokes aside, I am happy people are enjoying it and that it's kept momentum. I love Godzilla.)

[@liamphibia]

I mean we're just focusing on two recognizable and prominent monsters so far but yeah you're 100% right.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Godzilla has had a cinematic universe depending the era really.

[@devofficialchannel]

Helps that Godzilla is pretty much already a profitable cinematic universe in Japan. And it's not like they tried to cram in every single Toho kaiju into one film (even King of the Monsters used a few iconic monsters), though it's probably due to them needing Toho's permission to even use other kaiju besides Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra and King Ghidorah. Even most of the villains besides King Ghidorah (and Rodan, to an extent) are all original kaiju (i.e. the MUTOs, Skullcrawlers and Skar King)

[@eyesack2007]

great video, can’t wait for the cartoonshi cinematic universe

[@fbiagent..]

Hope it comes soon tho

[@Sharkkingstudios23]

The CCU

[@OptimisticSturmmann142]

​@Vector_DashMaybe. I'm still waiting for War Car-thunder-shi game

[@mastername5373]

The CCU is already here and this video is part of it.

[@God-T]

DC needs to learn, slow and steady always wins the the race not fast and crazy. Marvel approach was humble in building the franchise.

[@__Konboi__]

I like to think that the Monsterverse is that one kid chilling in the corner while the bigger ones like the MCU and DC are the popular kids that always gets in deep trouble.

[@memescoffee3173]

Monsterverse is like Spongebob making the single krabby patty while the others are king neptune making a bunch of bad tasting patties

[@VolcanicSpacePizza]

I'm imagining Godzilla and King Kong just sitting on a bench at the park kicking their feet while all the others are basically death brawling on the jungle gym.

[@sssspider]

The Monsterverse is successful because it has no pretensions about what it is. It knows what audiences are here to see (cool action scenes of giant monsters beating the shit out of each other) and delivers exactly that, with the bare minimum of boring human plot lines that nobody really cares about to tie the action scenes together. Unlike with comic book movies, the creators don’t seem like they’re embarrassed to be associated with the source material.

[@SandwitchZebra]

Monsterverse team knows that the audience wants to see big lizard and big monkey fight each other and other big monsters.

[@dillydraws]

@@sssspider tbf. Kong skull island had great human plots and characters

[@MasonProductions12]

Calling the Sonic movie franchise the Sonic Cinematic Universe is the equivalent of calling The Big Bang Theory franchise the Big Bang Theory Cinematic Universe because they made Young Sheldon

[@just_an_elli]

The creators have already said that's what they want the franchise to be in 5 years. That's the only reason Knuckles got a show, it was a "test run" of sorts to see if people would be interested (and the show did EXTREMELY well)

[@nellewoodruff6337]

​@@just_an_elli i hope the next one ACTUALLY HAS THE TITLE CHARACTER BE THE MAIN CHARACTER. If we get a tails show or something only for the wedding lady or wade being the focus I'm gonna flip

[@just_an_elli]

@@nellewoodruff6337 Sonic X literally had an episode where Knuckles taught someone how to be a warrior and it was one of my favorite episodes of the entire. The humans aren't the biggest issue, it's the way they're written. I'd rather have what you just described, but if we HAVE to have humans, then they need to be likeable/realistic

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but you’re right.

[@ironmaster6496]

​@@just_an_elliYeah Knuckles and Hawk was a great episode and ironically that character really should have appeared more. It's funny how Sonic has both the best use of the humans (the mentioned along with Topaz and Rouge) and the absolute worse (Chris literally being more prominent than Sonic himself)

[@brandonking5111]

I'd like to point out that Godzilla as a franchise has been a cinematic universe since the 60's. Mothra and Rodan were their own movies before fighting/teaming up with Godzilla.

[@raheemaslam7363]

Hell, all of Toku is kinda a cinematic universe

[@zemox2534]

AND IT IS STILL BETTER THAN THE ENTIRE MCU​@@raheemaslam7363

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

Facts 💯

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

​@@raheemaslam7363exactly super Sentai/Kamen Rider is a big example

[@touhoufan7071]

@@raheemaslam7363 Add Pretty Cure to this mix Standalone seasons with crossover movies as the big extra thing

[@usuallyangry]

The cinematic universe bubble hasn't "burst", it's more of a "sprung a leak and slowly loses all momentum while studios try to patch it up with wet tape".

[@ohwell1547]

I think dissolving toilet paper is more of an apt analogy than wet tape

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

Cope😂

[@usuallyangry]

@user-bt9yh8jn1q You look familiar. Haven't you deepthroated boots in front of me before?

[@lazyvoid7107]

​@@申月営無営月無営有申True cry that Monsterverse didn't failed

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

@@lazyvoid7107 Cope

[@MrSplashMan0]

Couldn’t have said it better myself. It started out as an incredible idea and then it became the cinematic equivalent of seasonal rot

[@ivoneo2806]

Well there are or could be ones that aren't that imo

[@MrSplashMan0]

@@ivoneo2806yeah definitely, most of it has potential

[@ccelite3782]

MCU was cool because it was one of the first to do it. Back then, it was mostly solo movies or X-Men films. Seeing a movie were multiple heroes from multiple movies coming together NEVER happened.

[@adaezeh1059]

Agreed

[@stevenmcburney8167]

@@ccelite3782it did happen, just once at the end of a phase. It was by phase 3 they started having solo movies involve other superheroes as guest appearances

[@germanscience7246]

Cinematic universes: *dying* Big lizard and monke: come, this is no place to die

[@lucasthehedgehog799]

And im all for it

[@TommyPrime4]

Monsterverse yeeaaaahhhhh

[@MisterDuby]

I’m surprised Scoob wasn’t brought up. That one could’ve been a really good Scooby-Doo movie but it tried to be a Hanna Barbera Cinematic Universe straight away with Blue Falcon, Dick Dastardly and Captain Caveman. And it flopped so bad that the next entry got written off for tax purposes

[@liamphibia]

That one crashed and burned in an instant only to be forgotten about.

[@jskywalker58]

Who ever asked for a hanna barbara cinematic universe?

[@nellewoodruff6337]

​@jskywalker58 that's my b. I wanted a hong kong phooey movie but the monkey's paw curled hard. Sorry

[@kitothekito915]

Dick Dastardly???

[@X2011racer]

And the next entry is Coyote vs ACME?

[@Schwoomy]

As someone who really likes the Sonic movies, I refuse to call them a cinematic universe because that’s 100% just a corporate marketing decision and nothing else, it’s just a self contained Sonic movie series (same goes for Matt Reeves’ “The Batman cinematic universe”, again, that’s just a self contained Batman movie series, it doesn’t matter how many spinoffs there are, it’s still just a movie series if it’s on only one ip)

[@staringcorgi6475]

If they made an alex kidd movie that crossed over with sonic than there is a cinematic universe

[@O.D25]

7:30 funnily enough, when the Sonic Archie comics gave Knuckles his own Comic series it pretty much just became it‘s own franchise with many characters and villains.

[@Schwoomy]

That’s the Penders-verse

[@nellewoodruff6337]

​@@Schwoomy for better or for many parts worse

[@NicheXCC]

​@@nellewoodruff6337It was the worse, pointless piece of Sonic media i've ever read.

[@filip8099]

But that's the thing, it was a Sonic character first, that's what he became known for. It doesn't have the same "cinematic universe" effect, as cartoonshi said, it would have the "cinematic universe" effect if it were one with other Sega characters.

[@aff77141]

Companies just want to take advantage of fan culture without actually giving it any respect or listening to what people genuinely want. That's exactly what all of this is.

[@glimmerstantroop46321]

When I get invested in a cinematic universe, I genuinely feel OBLIGED to do all the research possible so I know everything. I know it's not necessary at all, but I keep telling myself it is. So yeah, I totes agree. Especially considering a lot of em are just cheap grabs for views

[@langadube9611]

Something I've realized when trying to tell a great story. Start simple, don't overload the audience with information early and build from there.

[@kaobunn]

that's what's sonic is doing tbh

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

@@kaobunnyess

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Sometimes less is more

[@Jptric0489]

It's funny how radioactive lizard has arguably the second most successful cinematic universe today.

[@FernandoMazzo175]

Radioactive Lizard AND Big Gorilla*

[@demontamerbf18]

Worst thing is the people making movies nowadays seem to lack the ability to stop messing things up, they keep doing what it's obviously not working for them.

[@Elvusmiw]

I think what hurts a cinematic universe is instead of of having the same writers that planned out the universe in the firsts place, the studio brings in new writers. I mean remember in spiderman home coming peter learns you dont have to be an avenger then in infinity war suddenly hes an avenger? Another instance I recall Wanda vision and multiverse of madness. Multiverse of madness pretty much ruins wanda and her sacrifice.

[@Pythagoras180]

Right, MoM tooootally ruined Wanda "That won't change how they see me" Maximoff. It can't be that she was already bad, can it? Also, Spider-Man learned he should stick to doing what he's doing as an independent superhero, but that's kind of irrelevant when the universe is at stake.

[@Elvusmiw]

​​@@Pythagoras180ok your right but I'm right too about different writers and the fact marvel pumped out shows like no tomorrow.

[@dillydraws]

@@Elvusmiw Then you have the monsterverse directors all nerding out together

[@XD-sc4ix]

Agreed they should have kept the writers who built the MCU in the first place instead they replaced them with rookie ones

[@Kingdom850]

Guardians 3 almost suffered the same fate when the Russos killed off Gamora in IW. Luckily Gunn was able to work around that.

[@andresalonsomartinez3070]

Godzilla is one of the few Cinematic Universes that has a conclusion, not by being cancelled in any means. It did conclude with the Destroyorah movie, at least one itearation of Godzilla, tough.

[@lucasthehedgehog799]

Thats what i love about the Heisei Era of Godzilla Its the only era of Godzilla that has an ending

[@firstlast-ey4ly]

@@lucasthehedgehog799 To be fair, the Showa Era has an ending as well. Destroy All Monsters concludes the entire Ghidorah arc and is set in the future, making it feel like a finale.

[@thespeedyyoshi]

It’s called “the era of flexing one’s properties” 😅

[@jo-gl8hf]

I find it funny that monster verse is still going while DCEU is death.

[@darkron288]

I feel like the only cinematic universe still going strong is the monsterverse, mostly because of its erratic schedule and not being connected to much, there has only 5 moves in 10 years ,plus each movie is mostly unconeccted minus one or tow plot points

[@gamerfan8445]

And that should probably be the bench work for cinematic universe.

[@ilikeeverything.5900]

I would say the Sonic Movies are still going strong but they technically aren't cinematic universe

[@BinodiniMahapatra-pz7vv]

Monsterverse does a few things right. Proper World building with movie after movie, show after show preventing oversaturation by doing too many projects in a short span of time affecting quality and production, changing tones and themes with each movie. Godzilla 2014,2019 and Kong Skull island are all unique in terms of vision,tone and direction cinematography soundtrack with more seriousness. Godzilla vs Kong and GxK leaned into more wackier goofier side. That's why it's so successful

[@ComplexGhost]

The Problem is that it starts out well, then gets so generic and pushed that its not an event anymore, its just a forced movie with not enough time in the oven. It's clear that companies now dont care if its written good, as long as its pushed out. I think the Monsterverse (Which is a personal Favorite) could be fixed if they fixed the writing and kept some of the human characters. Im not saying its Good or Bad, but i think that it could do better with Returning Human Characters and Not killing off monsters in their debut. There is always problems with specific Universes, however the biggest problem is that the Companies dont see it as a "Cool Thing", they see it as a cash cow.

[@ivoneo2806]

People can still make it a cool thing if they make things that no one done before and make it unique imo

[@MrAwsomeness360]

*_"kept some of the human characters"_* As someone who is a Godzilla fan, I'd like to point out that changing humans casts from film to film is something the MonsterVerse inherited from the overall Godzilla franchise by proxy. The classic Toho films did this too, and it can be a bit of an issue sometimes.

[@dillydraws]

@@MrAwsomeness360 It's funny that most humans in the monsterverse only show up for two films or less.

[@caldervanegas240]

I appreciate the monsterverse love! Godzilla and Kong are goated

[@carlwapper]

The Cinematic universe cliche has been used too much, and most fans will think they will go downhill!

[@mrsparkey]

The fact that the monsterverse is peak is something I never knew I needed 15:40

[@KaijuKillerdude]

I’m surprised that the Godzilla MONSTERVERSE is now the most successful cinema universe as of this year. HELL YEAH 🔥🦖

[@OG.StrawberryGoat]

Hollywood: -essentially becomes an extra expensive content farm- Also Hollywood: Why don't people get invested in movies as much anymore?

[@lazyvoid7107]

Bait

[@jojomond7828]

The too much content section also points out the major issue with getting into marvel and DC comics in general Its next to impossible for the casual man/woman to get into them cause of how interconnected they are and how big events will just have sub stories you'd have to read in order to understand anything Its a complete mess that idk if marvel or DC can fix

[@leithaziz2716]

Marvel actually did create a stand-alone continuity in the comics for a bit to try to mitigate this problem: The Ultimate universe. The major problem with the run is that outside of Ultimate Spider-Man, the other stories were getting critically panned. I really don't recommend the early Ultimate X-Men run.

[@jojomond7828]

@@leithaziz2716 yeah it didn't last and stuff from the ultimate universe like Miles eventually went over to the 616 universe

[@cybertramon0012]

I don't think Marvel or DC can really fix that problem. They both make attempts when they realise the continuity is so entangled even they can't keep track of it, by basically restarting the world again with a crisis event. Start the heroes over again, establish a new baseline and cut out all the confusing history. But then they add more and more events that tangle up the continuity again, so they have to reboot everything again. It also doesn't help that they keep trying to get shock from killing their characters while at the same time don't want to kill off anyone popular; this has gotten to the point that nobody expects them to stay dead. When Kamala Khan was killed, people were only wondering how long it'd take before they bring her back.

[@XD-sc4ix]

​​@@cybertramon0012you brought another big problem with marvel and DC comics. stagnancy they abide too much by the status quo and any change they do is only temporary, a main character just died? Boom now he's alive and well, a villain has redeemed himself and become a hero? Nope can't do that he's back being evil, Spider-Man's life is actually taking a good turn? Nah f*ck him let's have him lose the love of his life by getting cucked by a nobody. Like why am I supposed to care about these big events if they're gonna make them null in a few at best months?

[@cybertramon0012]

@@XD-sc4ix This status quo is because the characters that people will care about are the popular ones, and since they're popular people will want to keep reading about them, so they can't let anything be permanent. Especially if life sucking is a part of their character, like Spider-Man. Hence why they got rid of his company that Otto started in his body. I also just considered all the convoluted stuff they come up with to change and then fix characters. Like if a hero becomes evil, he'll turn out to be a double agent. Except he's actually a triple agent. Except that's just a robot double, and the real hero's been a prisoner this whole time. Except he gets killed. Except that's a clone of him, and the real real hero has been trapped in another world. Etc., etc.

[@eway44]

When I heard Sonic was gonna be a Cinematic Universe, I really *really* hoped that meant a Sega Cinematic Universe. Meaning we would get movies based on games like Shenmue, Space Channel 5, Puyo Puyo/Madou Monogatari (since Sega has the rights to those and has been the one making those games for years), Virtua Fighter, Sakura Wars etc. I still have a tiny sliver of hope. But I know it's not that. Its just a Sonic franchise.

[@zeny5159]

I don't understand how the DCU failed so badly. The bluprint that was the cartoons Justice League and Justice League Unlimited was right there

[@rei-tosb]

i'm tired of cinematic universes these movies i'm tired of being caught in the connection of their plots

[@lol3342]

Dr. Manhattan 🔛🔝

[@LightningAdrian]

Then, don't watch it then, if you don’t want to.

[@rei-tosb]

it was a dr manhattan misquote i dont know why i have to explain the joke here already

[@LightningAdrian]

@@rei-tosb Whatever, don't get it.

[@lazyvoid7107]

​@@rei-tosbMonsterverse failed cry

[@lovetrain2455]

And now Chris Pratt is teasing a Nintendo Cinematic Universe with the future release of the Super Mario movie sequel, I can't wait for people to either roll their eyes at it or unhinge their jaw like an eldritch being at seeing Master Hand being the Thanos of it

[@Cubeytheawesome]

I mean, at least it’s something I can care about. Marvel means nothing to me

[@mrconroy4672]

Eh, I don’t think it’s going to be like that. The Mario movies are going to be their own thing and own take while keeping things seperate with the Zelda movie.

[@ccelite3782]

That could work in all honesty. Build up to a Super Smash Bros. movie

[@patricknotstarf7678]

its gonna be straight ass but ill still watch it lol

[@cuckookirbyfan7192]

I'm sure he just meant that they're just making movie franchises based on a bunch of Nintendo IPs, but aren't trying to make an interconnected world considering that the Zelda movie is live-action while the Mario movies are entirely animated. I mean, I know animation-live-action hybrids have been done before, but still. I...I'm sure that's what he meant...

[@sharkanenoa5928]

Don't forget Micheal Bay was trying to set up a TRANSFORMERS CINEMATIC UNIVERSE By the 5th movie and only two movies got off the drawing board

[@lazyvoid7107]

Misinformation it was Paramount but shutdown the group and rebooted maybe

[@anonymoustroll2432]

Still part of the timeline except Transformers One.

[@ЪвИнтернете]

Still waiting for the crossover in the Cinematic Universes Cinematic Universe. 🔥🔥

[@OptimisticSturmmann142]

CUCU!

[@dylansharp8471]

Huh?

[@aravindmuthu5748]

Watch the Super showdown/Fantficatia by ArtSpear...

[@fairlyoddenginecreations]

Why can't movies just be stand-alone movies anymore OH WAIT, THEY CAN, AND HAVE SUCCEDED AT DOING SO

[@WitheredDayZz]

It's kinda funny how The Monsterverse is the only cinematic universe that's doing fairly okay and it's because they only release a movie every few years

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

The DCAU has been doing pretty well

[@phillnyetheplaylistguy3759]

They give the cgi departments manageable workloads

[@MrAwsomeness360]

@@MASTEROFEVIL No it hasn't, stop lying.

[@lenny_boxx4206]

also Godzilla has technically done that Cinematif universe formula before Marvel except they're different continuities separated by Eras like Showa Era Heisei Era Millennium Era

[@MrAwsomeness360]

​@@lenny_boxx4206 Technically, Universal created the cinematic universe concept first with their classic monster movies. Toho refined the concept; Marvel perfected and popularized it.

[@SWDude2710]

I'm glad to still be a big Kaiju fan and see the Monsterverse doing super well these days. I still love Marvel and DC, but it stinks that they've been royally screwing up so much. Not even franchises like F&F are safe from this issue, despite that one not being a CU like the DCEU and MCU.

[@Mattmurdockk431]

Universal Studios had an interconnected universe with their monsters in the 30s-40s already. Continuity was fuzzy but they all belonged to the same reality and interacted a lot.

[@kaobunn]

i think regardless of if the sonic movies are called a cinematic universe or franchise, they seem to be building their universe quite well in the same way the monsterverse is, which is what i see a lot of people compare it to rather than having a ton of required content to watch, you're watching self contained stories that can still link, and the way they're handling sonic movies in particular seems to be doing really well for them, and i dont think it should be highlighted as a failing "cinematic universe" the movies are beloved, sonic 3 is probably one of the most anticipated films ever, they're box office hits and the universe is being slowly built over time rather than just shoving something like rouge, amy, the chaotix, bean, bark and metal sonic into a movie and then giving each of them a TV show i mean hell say what you want about knuckles but it's a self contained story that isnt required to watch and i can really appreciate it, they just wanted to do a solo adventure with knuckles because he's so popular

[@CEOMisterJohnSaxon]

Well said. I agree!

[@train123z]

Calling "sonic 3" one of the most anticipated films ever is quite the stretch but yeah everything else is true

[@kaobunn]

@@train123z i disagree, i think its pretty big, a lot of people are hyping it up and begging for the trailer

[@train123z]

@@kaobunn yeah but that doesn't make it one of the biggest ever it's a mostly contained fandom

[@abbaparaja1906]

I think what makes the monsterverse stand out over the rest is most likely the fact that it had a history much longer way before mcu was even a thing way longer back when toho made king kong vs godzilla 1962 It also worth mentioning warner bros had made a setup between both of them before godzilla 2014 was released and kong skull island 2017 had made a setup teasing for the next godzilla movie sequel

[@anth636]

Another thing that bugs me is when people try to connect movies that clearly weren’t connected through half-baked fan fiction passed off as “cinematic universe theories.” Did you know Boo from Monsters Inc. time traveled back to medieval Scotland and learns black magic setting up the events of Brave and the rest of Pixar’s “cinematic universe?”

[@XD-sc4ix]

Bro I need the source where is it? This is "sans is Steven from Steven universe after dying of old age and coming back to life as a skeleton through gem magic" level of dumb

[@darienaustin8718]

What's really funny about Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is that James Gunn said that if they hadn't already written Thor off the team in Love and Thunder, he still would've written it like he still wouldn't have included him. Or brought him up at all in the movie.

[@Immersionbreak779]

Gotta love a new cartoonshi upload

[@lazyvoid7107]

Meatrider

[@soupbane1688]

totally agree. i think its sucky how it's starting to invade games too, where i see people expect a studio's new release to be tied into a previous title and whatnot

[@AgentLevitar]

Honestly, with the MonsterVerse, it is doing something right even with the TV shows. Currently it only has two but their philosophy for the shows is that they are like spice to a dish. They help add context or deepen the show's lore a lil bit but they are not at all necessary watches for the main films. Some fans would argue that the comics are also necessary but tbh that's only for ultra nerds (like me). That aside, the films can indeed be enjoyed without having to read all the comics or graphic novels or TV shows which allows the viewer to watch or read them at their leisure if they wanted

[@DrAwe-fi6we]

Remember when Warner Bros were trying to make a Hanna Barbera Cinematic Universe but they were so impatient that they jumped straight into the crossover stuff with the first movie (Scoob)? And then how they wrote off the near-finished sequel for tax reasons? I don't like WB is what I'm saying-

[@XD-sc4ix]

The movie flopped soo hard it crashed and burned in nuclear fire leaving only the nuclear shadow of it as a reminder that it in did infact exist

[@spicy701]

Honestly i have been watching your content for a couple year (4 or more) and i just want to say how proud i am of you and how much you have grown and improved

[@Butwhythough881]

It’s also worth noting that Marvel’s movies had all of its characters living in the same locations and same universe. The rules of the universe are still. For the most part, consistent. The problem with something like say a potential Nintendo Cinematic Universe is that multiple IPs are separate universes, they don’t have any interconnection or consistent rules and a majority of them don’t really have a focus on story/plot, the main component of a cinematic universe or any movie for that matter. The issues with an NCU dig deeper than just “following the Marvel formula.” Also most Nintendo fans only wanted it for the novelty of it’s existence, not because it has strong narrative potential.

[@ghoulchan7525]

I mean Link and Samus had a cameo in mario rpg. The problem is just. The Zelda series spans 1000's of years. So the mario series might just be a tiny blip on the zelda timeline. Metroid too.

[@dragondelsur5156]

​@@ghoulchan7525 Cameo doesn't equal being in the same world, Capcom does cameos all the time, PlayStation is doing the same much more recently too but none of them imply the games share the same world.

[@ghoulchan7525]

@@dragondelsur5156 the thing with Cameo's is. sometimes it is a real thing in universe. other times it's not.

[@dragondelsur5156]

@@ghoulchan7525 I was going to go on an entire tangent about how Nintendo's series overlap each other timeline wise, but I think it's easier to say that a cinematic universe wouldn't be possible given the circumstances of each series. The cameos are just pure fun on the developers part, again, PlayStation and Capcom do that all the time. Marvel has it easier than most because their heroes already share a universe, Thor is immortal and Captain America was in a freezer for decades. Nintendo doesn't have that privilege, Mario already overlaps itself with Pokemon because of how obsessed everyone is with the creatures in that series. People want a "Nintendo Cinematic Universe", but do only because of the novelty.

[@ToastedCrumpy]

As a Monster-verse fan, it makes me happy to see it’s pretty much the only universe aside from sonic (which doesn’t even count) that’s doing well.

[@samflood5631]

My honest opinion, the MCU should have ended with Endgame.

[@ParkerCS2]

Yes I agree! I’m sick and tired of the MCU! I just want good standalone stories instead of homework that leads to the next thing. The MCU I now could care less with and don’t intend on returning to it. I vote with my wallet and choose to not support the dying MCU! Sorry but Disney ran it into the freaking ground.

[@SpinyRat]

my problem with cinematic universes is for some reason when a company is making one they think they can't do anything else, preventing movies and shows using those characters or stories without it being connected to the "main universe" so we don't get something the average person can go watch without some prior knowledge of the media before hand. simply meaning it's more likely to lose fans in a community then to gain them because to a newcomer it's like homework, where they have to watch every little thing before hand just in case the thing they actually are interested in might have a story beat that's only explained somewhere else

[@ParkerCS2]

Exactly normies don’t wanna be forced to do homework. We also are tired of homework

[@G55544]

The monsterverse is just chugging along And every time a new mv movie comes out it’s an event while a new marvel movie is another slop

[@dylansharp8471]

Slop seems like an exaggeration.

[@G55544]

@@dylansharp8471 look at the marvels and quantemania

[@BinodiniMahapatra-pz7vv]

​@@dylansharp8471it is not anymore. Look at secret invasion,the Marvels and she hulk

[@monsterguyx6322]

Dear Hollywood, One good movie now would be better than the promise of ten bad movies in the future. Sincerely, All of Humanity.

[@devofficialchannel]

I'm glad that Deadpool & Wolverine is the only theatrical 2024 MCU film out now. And I agree that Monsterverse is actually the better shared universe, because they DIDN'T try to copy the MCU.

[@MrK-tp1gr]

In my teenage years, I used to watch almost every movie that came out of the MCU. Now, after all the other Movie universes as we as MCU one becoming a mess, I simply give up. It truly became not only tiering, but also it was simply too much. Some stories can be made over and over again, but sometimes people simply must ask themselves when to stop.

[@dylansharp8471]

Mess is a bit of an exaggeration.

[@aff77141]

I'm not only to the point of being tired of cinematic universes, which I've never been fond of because why spoil the story of one group by enmeshing them with a completely different world and vibe, but sequels too. They're pretty much never as good as they ought to be and instead often ruin the first movie or series, while giving everyone the "well it's canon so you have to acknowledge it" NO I DONT, AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ME.

[@aff77141]

Like even batman vs superman, kong vs godzilla, stuff like that - I get it, it's fun, but also doesn't make any goddamn sense. Why are we pitting two characters that may as well be from other worlds against each other in an actual movie? That's something you save for reddit boards, ao3, tumblr, youtube. Not actual canon.

[@lazyvoid7107]

​@aff77141 GVK didn't failed so

[@dillydraws]

@@aff77141 And now Godzilla and Kong are best buds :)

[@XD-sc4ix]

​@@aff77141soo who's gonna tell him that Godzilla vs king kong has been a thing since the early 60s? Also batman and superman have always existed in the same universe what are you talking about?

[@cory2477]

5:07 It has been clearly stated( in the mid 10s) that they planned to make a Sinister Six movie. The Amazing Spider-Man 3 was intended to be the Sinister Six movie. Venom was always going to happen because Avi Arad wanted Venom to appear on the big screen, likely due to merchandising reasons.

[@metal6948]

I don't mind Sonic having a cinematic universe, because there are endless Sonic storylines and characters to work with. Honestly I'll give it a pass as long as it means we get a PG-13 rated Shadow the Hedgehog movie with guns and sentences randomly interjected with mild cursing like "where's that DAMN fourth chaos emerald"

[@XD-sc4ix]

Honestly even though I know Jim Carrey has retired i just hope they bring back Robotnick at some point

[@metal6948]

@@XD-sc4ix He's signed on to Sonic 3.

[@XD-sc4ix]

@@metal6948 then I sure hope Eggman is alive

[@thespinodino]

Love how 90% of the comments are regarding the MonsterVerse. Shows just how well that franchise does it.

[@ParkerCS2]

We need more than just Godzilla and Kong crossover films. The MonsterVerse needs some more individual films and I don’t want the MonsterVerse to lose momentum and not have a longer lifespan as despite the success of the recent 2 films eventually audiences will grow tired of the same formulas just like superhero films. Godzilla frankly could’ve been removed from GXK and nothing would’ve changed as he was just a background character every 30 mins for 5 mins each and frankly the film could’ve been just another Solo Kong film like Skull Island. I’m fine with crossover films. But we don’t need a third crossover in a row and only have Godzilla X Kong crossovers for the rest of the MonsterVerse in terms of the films. We need another Godzilla solo film and a proper second solo Kong film to be options as well to keep the franchise fresh and alive. Just saying the truth

[@Ijustusethistocommentstuff]

For some reason, Kamen Rider is now going through something similar to Marvel. For Gotchard, you have to now watch: -Gotchard, the TV show -Gotchard vs. Legend -Gotchard and Geats' crossover movie -Kamen Rider Outsiders (Which also requires you to have watched a lot of other series to understand what the fuck the series is.) -Kamen Rider Decade -Kamen Rider Zi-O (Both because you have to understand Legend's backstory, and why he is, you know, using past Rider powers, AND you have to understand that Decade is fucking dead for Outsiders) -Probably more when the summer movie happens. Just to get a BASIC idea of the timeline. That's also not mentioning how Decade and Zi-O need you to have an understanding of Heisei phase 1 and 2 Kamen Riders, respectively.

[@taeoutaba1837]

Other than say Majade's first transformation you don't really need to watch anything outside the crossover movie with Geats. If you removed the recent Legend content from the main story you wouldn't be missing much since as of now it doesn't have a big impact on Gotchard's plot. Outsiders is it's own side thing for people who are already caught up and isn't mandatory to watch for needed context in Gotchard. Kamen Rider Decade was made to attract newcomers into getting interested in the previous seasons of heisei phase one. It's only recommended in the fanbase to watch all of phase 1 just to better appreciate the callbacks, cameos, and alterations made for the AR worlds. Zio is an anniversary season and the last of the heisei era. Naturally, the big finale will be paying tribute to the entire era. Everything outside the yearly rider season is side content and they have been doing crossovers for years with other riders, with sentai and other toku franchises. At bare minimum, you won't be losing anything of importance by not watching outsiders from the single cameo of Zein that serves nothing to the main plot of Gotchard. You don't need to watch the brave special, the snipe prequel, Chou Super hero taisen, or Kamen Sentai Gorider to appreciate Ex-aid's main story, and the same goes for majority of rider seasons

[@BombBombora]

Kamen Rider has always been connected tho, no? Even then, every series besides Decade and Zi-O is self contained. The crossover stuff is usually reserved for the side content, like the movies where multiple riders team up.

[@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger]

No more comic-related movies. The concept has been beaten to death, I could go the rest of my life never hearing about another and I'd be extremely happy for their absence from society.

[@TruliLoveli]

Ngl, I love the cinematic universes ❤ it's always fun to see how creative they can get in that universe✨️

[@spritezilla_the_bebop]

I think the DCEU's biggest problem is that their characters have PERFECT arcs and motivations in the comics and animated shows-they just have a really hard time adapting those characters to live action for some reason (Ex: Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, etc.)

[@chidieberenwadike4165]

Before the MCU, I experienced the Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe from the 50s-70s. Cartoons like Yogi Bear, huckleberry hound, top cat, dick dastardly, quick draw mcgraw, atom ant, secret squirrel, and others. I think people overlook those classics, because they were one of the gems of cartoons.

[@b4ooks233]

It’s also the fact that it’s not really a mystery anymore to where the movies are now going, Marvel literally showed everyone what their making and now it’s just “wait till secret wars that’s when it’ll all pay off” type of deal.

[@thibaud1832]

I love that Gunn will launch the new DCU right at the time everyone got sick of cinematic universes

[@Unluckq]

Happy national creativity day! Thanks for creating your content, it's some of the most enjoyable and entertaining media that I've consumed. We genuinely appreciate your work man, have a good day!

[@anothergamer112]

The current state of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is what people _think_ Kingdom Hearts is. Impossible to follow.

[@lazyvoid7107]

Bait

[@dylansharp8471]

@@lazyvoid7107 What now?

[@dylansharp8471]

Not really sure if it's THAT hard.

[@maxfriends5660]

0:13 I'm glad I never got Disney+

[@TheLegendaryMovieCritic]

The Marvel & DC cinematic universes went down in flames & only the MonsterVerse staying strong! The Dark Universe was the biggest failure of a universe!

[@dylansharp8471]

Flames is a strong word.

[@RitoReyes2033]

Congarts on 200k cartoonish love ur videos and bluntness 😂❤

[@dudewithachannel1163]

I'm at least glad this was a trend that required talent and hard work to set up. When they tried rushing it like TASM or Dark Universe, they died quickly. The MCU put in the work and earnt the love of general audiences, it's pretty much why their films are still making money, I'm hoping the same happens for the Monsterverse and DCU

[@maxfriends5660]

Marvel Cinematic Universe: 2008-2019. It was a good 11 years. 😔😞😓😩😫 At least that's longer than every other Cinematic Universe.

[@dragondelsur5156]

The thing with cinematic universes is that they require A LOT of planning ahead from schedule, and the ability to adapt to sudden changes should something go south. Marvel understood this and they left their phase 1 movies be independent films first and parts of a complete saga second, the build up to Avengers was unexpected and earned because of this approach. Obviously the more it grew, the more it limited the writers, but the fact they had actual time to plan was a given, even if some movies gradually started to lose quality. Disney+ is a curse to this approach, because now aside from having an entire universe already set in stone, they have to work 10 times faster because of the mouse's demands. I'm honestly glad that the cinematic universe trend started to die, but now the hip new thing is videogame adaptations because of the Sonic movies (thank god Sony didn't decide to kickstart a fucking PlayStation Cinematic Universe, ain't that right Chris Pratt?).

[@dylansharp8471]

Curse?

[@dylansharp8471]

What about Chris Pratt?

[@zillauniverse7208]

It’s funny how the Monsterverse managed to become successful by releasing one project every 2 to 3 years.

[@Rainbowhawk1993]

“Do not pause the video.” Shows EFAP. Is that a Don’t @ Me?

[@TreatSan]

I would also like to thank... - Directors that just wanted to make their OC project happen and picked the 'Character qwerk' they could find closes to it - Telling folks to read the source material, weather or not they actually made a carbon copy of said material or just fudged around it to get their 'Passion project off the ground' - The insane amount of directors picked for a lot of these not fitting the tone that was set - Never establishing a through tone and relying on 'Twists' or 'Gags' to fix troubled scripts/Dead space - And Sudden Agenda changes that cause re-writes as far as the Bill can stretch~ Honestly it's sad, a lot more then nought, Multiple movies are now drowning in their own [REDACTED] due to trying to tie things all together, but theirs's no plan for it, or they can't sign Directors/Actors/VA 's/Writers on for as long as these studios 'THINK' a project will take, these aren't Video games where it's abit simpler to make them connect together (Especially just like with movies you ACTUALLY planed something out for that length of time, from the beginning and didn't try to 'stick it in after the fact') but we're getting series started with Titular characters left out due to Lincsing or just cause folks want to play with the 'Cool one' even though that one needs the other 'Boring' character to be included. Soon enough we'll have someone try to get a Vegeta Movie off the ground, without Saiyan's involved and somewhere he'll yell being the Prince of all Saiyan's but they forgot to establish any of that.

[@berimb0l076]

With the current Godzilla series being brought up reminded me how the showa era of Godzilla did the MCU arc decades ago. Started off with multiple stand alone characters and stories who eventually crossed over in ghidorah the three headed monster. Had a few more solid outings and a endgame with destroy all monsters. Then steadily fell off with the over saturation of movies and having shows be connected like zone fighter. Eventually causing toho to stop because it became unprofitable even after trying to save it by bringing back ishiro Honda and akira ifukube for terror of mechagodzilla.

[@felippogaglianoneneto621]

To be honest, a Sega cinematic universe uniting Sonic, Alex Kidd, Golden Axe, Shinobi, Streets of Rage, Virtua Fighter, Shemue, Yakuza and other franchises like those woundn't be a bad idea if well executed. Same goes for Nintendo. The problem is that movie studios these days don't want to build upon every single separate franchise before creating the crossover movie, they just want MCU's box office success right now.

[@Leonkennedy19992]

Companies just want to create a fan community without making content for fans

[@billcipher147]

The main problem I see with the MCU is that they very obviously had a plan when they began making these movies, with a clear beginning and end for every storyline and character arc. I say had because it's quite obvious that everything we grew to love about the MCU ended with Endgame, and everything that came after that just feels kind of... tacked on. You can tell that none of this was part of the plan, and that the only reason why it's still going is not because of some grand creative vision, but because of Disney execs holding the writers at gun point, forcing them to keep going so they don't take their cash cow off of life support. And as with every long story that either has no planned ending or was forced to continue beyond it, it was bound to devolve into a narrative mess with a massive drop in quality. I called this years ago, and sure enough, that's exactly what happened. Which is a shame, because I genuinely miss the "golden era" of the MCU.

[@ParkerCS2]

I also miss comic book films and series, whether part of a shared universe or not, could still individually be enjoyed on their on without forcing heavy connections like phases 4 and 5 have been doing with tv shows and films being forced to all be required homework. Also the characters we grew to love such as Tony Stark and Steve Rogers are gone and replaced by “diverse” replacements who are generic one note copy cats who have no flaws and perfect, and the heroes who are still around from phases 1-3 like Thor and Hulk have become nothing but jokes. And Doctor Strange was the third main character in his own second movie because it was mostly about Wanda and America and he was just a supporting character with not character arc needing to protect a girl he doesn’t know from another character who was ruined by making her irredeemably evil to the point where I don’t wanna see her again because they made her so evil and unreasonable for no reason without thinking logically. And don’t use that dark hold excuse, she by her own accord killed innocents. She became a psychopath. Wanda needs to never come back because she doesn’t need to go unpunished for her evil psycho actions killing innocents. Sorry for the rant lol point is a lot of legacy characters who are still around after Endgame have been ruined including Rodney who turned out to be a Skrull thus he never got to say goodbye to his best friend Tony Stark and ruins that whole thing by making him not knowing of events since Civil War. Tbh, the earth 199999 continuity needs to just end and put out its misery. Don’t even bother with Secret Wats. Just reboot without needing an in universe explanation and having the previous continuity still be canon to the next continuity. Reboots shouldn’t be forced to have those. It’s overbearing and overwhelming

[@asaknight321]

The only thing that's gonna drag me back into the MCU is if they go back to what made it work, make actual meaningful stories, and release only 1 or 2 products a year so the average human can process it OR if they make a good doctor doom. Preferably Both.

[@dylansharp8471]

"make actual meaningful stories" Excuse me?

[@lenny_boxx4206]

Monsterverse did in fact avoid the oversaturation problem that being where the movies release schedule go from 2 to 3 yeara apart

[@XD-sc4ix]

Also the tv shows like monarch and the skull island cartoon are completely optional you don't need to watch them to understand the later movies despite both being prequels

[@lucasthehedgehog799]

​@@XD-sc4ixtrue

[@probablyjinxed]

“sonic 3 better have shadow the hedgehog jump through the screen and blow me off if you have that kind of confidence.” joke’s on you, a…..CONCERNING amount of people are into that shit.

[@bonnieplushtuber5517]

I feel like the only CU that I feel still works has to be the monsterverse. It isn’t overly expansive and is very grounded. Literally. They have their monsters and they can do whatever they want with them. If they want they can add more new creatures. It doesn’t bloat the story by keeping its plot holes open but not disrupting the main storyline. The only CU that hasn’t made me feel like I was eating cold burgers in a dumpster being held at gunpoint.

[@zakuraiyadesu]

Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!

[@filip8099]

Great video. Any cinematic universe can captivate the public's interest, even if the content is not very well known, if it is well crafted, written, planned and developed from the beginning. The "Hanna Barbera Universe" would have been cool and interesting, "The Dark Universe" would have been too, if they had started with good, well-written films. Lots of good ideas going to waste because of poor planning and bad films. Filmmakers are terrible these days and the companies are only greedy for money, that's the major problem.

[@Bum-t9x]

Oh shit 200k congrats

[@WiredY06]

I think there's still hope for the MCU. All they have to do is THREE things... 1. Replace the fallen Icons - Ever since Iron man and Cap stopped appearing, it's left a big whole in the movies connecting stories. They need to bring PERMANT Iconic Marvel Characters to replace the wholes they left. Like a Wolverine that will appear for more than one movie. His suit looks AWSOME too. Maybe add OG Hulk Back. Nerd Hulk is so oversaturated now. Bring back the monster in Ragnarök. As well as make the Fantastic 4 the new height of power in New York. Like how the Avengers had their own tower. 2. STOP CONSTANTLY INTRODUUCING NEW CHARACTERS WITHOUT TOUCHING THE OLD ONES. 3. STOP THE CONTENT COASTER. NO MORE SHOWS. Just Movies.

[@Sammy-34079]

i really dont care what u say i still love marvel and dc since i own there 2000s-2010s of marvel and dc movies blu-ray discs

[@WiredY06]

@@Sammy-34079 K?

[@wisdommanari6701]

Love your content as always Shi

[@ThatdudeIsgonnabecomeahe-yp2ju]

I miss the MCU Phases from 1-3, those were some of its best.. and a few in the 4th phase but not all

[@ParkerCS2]

I want both Marvel films and series that are completely standalone like Joker and The Batman set in their own worlds and not tied to MCU and also MCU projects that can still function being watched by themselves like the good old days. I wanna see a Matt Reeves type Iron Man film to distinguish from the RDJ films for example. Not that it tonally needs to be like The Batman just stating a reboot of Tony Stark Iron Man that isn’t a copy and paste and does something different and doesn’t try to copy the irreplaceable RDJ version. Like going from Michael Keaton to Christian Bale to Ben Affleck to Robert Pattinson versions of Batman having their own takes.

[@bending4me]

dc* not giving a shit about what ezra miller has done is batshit insane

[@abiodunsulaiman2297]

DC*

[@bending4me]

@@abiodunsulaiman2297 ah thanks

[@XD-sc4ix]

FR Ezra Miller should be locked in alcatraz's isolation cells for life the dude would unironically barge into your house and shoot you just because he wanted a sandwich and he didn't feel like buying it at a store or something

[@TheRealJoshie]

Well, I have a feeling that these Cinematic Universe's are only going to become more common.

[@masterseal0418]

Here's my thoughts: If The Mummy(1999) started the so-called Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe, it would've predated the MCU by 11 years. Hell, Universal's Monsters IP is nearly a century old since it was an interconnected world establishing notorious but iconic characters such as Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster(and not Frankenstein, you dud), The Wolfman, Creature of the Black Lagoon, The Mummy, The Invisible Man, and so on. They would've actually nailed the 'cinematic universe' trend first, with Marvel rushing in upon more successful films made after The Mummy's 1999 remake trilogy, and the cult-classic Van Helsing. I even find the Dark Universe to be wasted potential as well, due to the reasons above. The 2017 Mummy adaption was so mediocre, the ideas on the connected films were abandoned after. Universal hasn't touched this concept since, and have made good movies based on either side-characters or indie productions of their classics such as the 2021 Invisible Man, 2023's Renfield, and so on. Also for the Monsterverse, I hope Legendary could get Toho's permission to add Jet Jaguar, Biollante, Gigan, Hedorah, and other kaiju, which means more audiences of tokusatsu or the Godzilla franchise can be brought in due to this amount of fanservice. Seems like a plausible idea, so I'm not the only person who thought the same. Toku fans on social media have the same high hopes so the Monsterverse would peak even further. Marvel should really realize their mistakes as of now.

[@zincpodzzz]

Take a drink every time he says cinematic universe

[@jakubtrapp3509]

tbh there shouldnt be cinematic universes THERE SHOULD BE JUST FRANCHISES like everyone khows that in a cinematic universe everything has its meaning and if you dont khow what color as the shirt of the protagonist of the tv show that appeard in the comic in a movie then you dot khow anything about the cinematic universe in franchises you just watch the series you want or play the game you want if you want the story you can try all of them but you dont have to to get your pay off and a satysfying conlusion to the overarching story like look for example POWER RANGERS it has crossovers with eachother (most of the time) but it doesnt mean you need to watch samurai to understand dino charge you dont have to remember where did power rangers originated beacause each story has its own version of the origins cinematic universes are too complicated in comparison to franchises i mean the only times you need to understand power rangers is for the anniversery like megaforce but again YOU DONT HAVE TO REALLY yeah it migth be a bit more confusing but YOU WOULD GET IT

[@alex-8736]

I do think Guardians vol3 is ruined by the fact that if you didnt watch the avengers movies you deadass dont know why between te second movie and the third one one character just randomly doesnt have memories anymore, that doesnt make it standalone

[@ParkerCS2]

Exactly also you find out in Holiday Special that Mantis is related to Peter. And the Guardians’ conflict with Thanos ends in the two avengers films that they are in. So GOTG3 is not a satisfying conclusion to a trilogy. The trilogy as a whole isn’t cohesive because the 2 avengers films plus their appearance in Thor 4 and the Holiday Special. So yeah GOTG3 is not standalone

[@fakehappyfilms]

i’ve always preferred the more self contained movies. i’d like to sit and watch a superhero movie without needing to do homework first. i don’t wanna watch the last aquaman movie to understand the new batman movie so i can then understand some obscure tv show which is required viewing for some reason. so tired of cinematic universes 😭

[@williamwood5566]

Recipe for a good cinematic universe: - Few solo movies/ franchises to capture a wide audience - recognizable characters - ACTUALLY WELL PUT TOGETHER MOVIES - time/no over-saturation

[@williamwood5566]

Example of this is the Monsterverse, pretty decent movies that lead up to great crossovers with recognizable characters with 5 movies and a 1 or 2 tv shows over ten years.

[@lenny_boxx4206]

​@@williamwood5566Thats why despite being quiet pessimistic with the MCU these days I know i can still rely on the Monsterverse giving me good entertainment