The Death of Dislikes | Cynical Reviews

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[@jessetorres8738]

I don't get why there needs to be a Dislike button. Why share the hate?

[@milktea6676]

First furry

[@Rammni]

@@jessetorres8738 It’s a way of showing feedback, easy & convenient to use as a way to see the quality of a video as well as the overall reception to a video.

[@fatherpucci8170]

Thanks for don't Forget me.

[@JimmehRulez]

@@jessetorres8738 its criticism

[@matewostadesse281]

My favorite part of KZbin's defense for taking away dislikes is when they said it's "too protect" small creators. When in fact, big corporations, like KZbin itself, are the ones that get the most dislike bombed

[@octogonSmuggler]

Reminds me of how Netflix removed the rating system because no one thought Amy Schumer was funny.

[@imyourdaddy5822]

I'm pretty sure the White House isn't a small creator

[@bananatiergod]

Either that or the creators who are actually problematic, controversial and harmful to others like the Paul brothers, JayStation, Fine Bros., toxic family channels or any of those Elsa X Spiderman fetish channels

[@garcemac]

Yeah. They only removed the numbers to suck Disney, Warner Bros. EA, Activision etc festering anus. Considering at least one of those companies *cough* Activision *cough* are directly responsibly for at least one suicide and pay zero taxes - you'd think the former DO NO EVIL company would step up. When in reality Google should be shut down completely. Just like Bell was back when people gave a fuck. Shit, Google is not even remotely close to being a useful search engine anymore.

[@GrayDogNowIDK]

You hit the nail on the head

[@FilAnd01]

It’s quite obvious that the real reason is because advertisers and politicians don’t like having their ads and stuff disliked honestly. KZbin listens to advertisers not creators. Advertisers can choose to advertise somewhere else and strangle KZbin, creators can’t really go anywhere else.

[@carpo719]

All of us on KZbin know that to be true, but all of the mainstream audience and creators have no interest in the small guy. They want to dominate the platform we created. Fuck them. It's bullshit. I've been making videos for ten years, I like dislikes because they give perspective on the value of a video. I guess that's all out the door now

[@AgentClank]

I never really understood how that works. KZbin is a monopoly for creators, but not advertisers? Who is KZbin competing with for advertising? Is it just a case of big money eating loss to force someone else's hand, as ironic as KZbin being the one whose hand is forced is?

[@Jason_Altea]

@@AgentClank It's because KZbin is the largest video streaming platform currently with no signs of that changing. Because of that, advertisers get more attention by paying KZbin to promote their ads than otherwise.

[@megatwingo]

Odysee. That's a good alternative with negative votes.

[@FableWolfe]

It is absolutely a political and economic choice. KZbin couldn't give a shit about creators.

[@OneTopic]

When I work out at the gym I have my phone in my pocket and I would always question whether my leg was hitting unsubscribe or if I was being effected by the same bug, but… as long as KZbin says it’s fake it must be the case. 🙃

[@sabiangriffin3713]

I love it when I see another creator I'm subscribed to on another unrelated channel

[@mogmeiquel]

KZbin is, after all, the Decider of Truth. Anything and everything they say is true. Don’t question it

[@merlinmeurer5339]

It cannot be, it is written!

[@puan1211]

💙

[@jord_2wYT]

Should have given them £17 a month so you can do something wild and crazy like, lock your phone 😯. "Sick of ads? Just pay us and we'll take the electrodes off your nipples."

[@graveyardghost]

My problem with the "it's a anti-harassment measure" claim is that that's not how trolls work I'm 100% convinced that trolls that are targeting smaller creators won't just go "aw shucks dislike button is gone, guess we have to quit", no they'll start commenting abuse which is way more detrimental to a creators psyche than a dislike

[@ijustlikebees]

Yes! This is so harmful

[@AndrewManook]

Also dislikes can be seen through analytics.

[@opalchat4539]

Don't give them ideeas! Maybe they will use it as an excuse to hide the comments too.

[@jamestomato1744]

And if that too is removed, they'll start reporting videos or abusing other systems until youtube is used ONLY to watch videos that appear with no feedback and/or interaction whatsoever.

[@BoleDaPole]

This wasn't done to appease controversial youtubers or to curb " online harassment" Major advertisers raised up a stink after thier ads got disliked and thought it was bad for thier brand therfore threatened to not advertise as much or at all on KZbin.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I'm worried they'll remove subscriptions in the future because their reasoning will be that "all creators must be treated equally"

[@Krejii05]

Subscriptions get removed: “brooo i had over 5 mil before they removed subbbss”

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

@@Krejii05 bionicle is beter

[@SpoopySquid]

I mean they already don't show when channels you're subscribed to upload half the time so would we even notice?

[@GeraltofRivia22]

That is coming. Remember, they already removed the detailed subscriber count from public view because people could see drops in subs after a controversy ala James Charles.

[@catmandogboy]

@@youtubestudiosucks978 Bionicle is Lego

[@Umbramus]

Love how youtube conveniently ignores that 99% of the reason people hide likes is because they just did something controversial and don't want to be called out

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube has to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@gustavgnoettgen]

@@comyuse9103 Guess they might go for those who "abuse the report functions" then.

[@trybunt]

So.. KZbin is disabling criticism against themselves? Lol, it's a bit weird. KZbin: we are getting rid of dislikes Everyone: we don't like this KZbin: this is for the best Everyone: no, we don't like this KZbin: I'm glad we could come to an agreement 🤝

[@comyuse9103]

@@gustavgnoettgen maybe, but they will have to react somehow if enough people do something to protest this stupid change.

[@daniboy4153]

I'd say their just silencing anyone that speaks out on anything.

[@fourthhorsemendeath218]

RIP dislike button. You will be missed for allowing us to display an opinion

[@fatherpucci8170]

Wait They are killed me or fired me ?

[@dustyrose192]

i use an add on cus i dont like change so i can still see the dislikes

[@lianakriebel]

Also for helping us figure out the best user-uploaded version of a game walkthrough or music video.

[@reapershadow2966]

@@dustyrose192 how to get the addon i want it too ;-;

[@AscendantStoic]

You can revive the dislike count from the dead using a browser add-on, works like a charm.

[@atraxian5881]

They did it to help small creators who get piled on, such as Disney, EA, Ubisoft or the White House.

[@fatherpucci8170]

But I'm one who helped small creators I'm one make them try harder and become better.

[@generichuman2044]

Yep. We're not using youtube anymore. Now we're using CorporateTube

[@dodgyhodgyo4]

@@fatherpucci8170 Hey I remember you, how's the coffin treating you?

[@waltercomunello121]

*they* are paying the big bucks to YT, not creators. YT will do whatever those big wealthy groups want they to do. creators might be even indirectly paid by those big companies, through KZbin.

[@fatherpucci8170]

@@dodgyhodgyo4 well not really bad it's cold

[@sentienttapioca5409]

So, let me get this straight. The dislike button was disabled because people were using it to 'target' content creators purely because they don't like them or what they stand for. Because they... y'know... /dislike/ them and the content they produce. Who ever would have guessed?

[@FPSDIESEL]

I for one am very happy youtube has made this site safe from dislikes, everyday I would wake up and be shot in the face by a dislike ratio. It placed me in crippling dread but now that it's gone I only get shot in the face when I open up my analytics and see my career in the form of a top ten list of most to least successful videos while youtube doesn't tell me why anything happens! Thanks youtube I feel much more stable.

[@kaldurskipper6821]

I knew this was about to go south, but you still had me laughing by the end😂You're right though. As much as getting bad news sucks, people have to learn to accept criticism too so that we can improve. Can't do that by ignoring it, though I will admit again that hearing it can hurt. Hurts less than being the only one who doesn't know

[@Gilby1385]

Hahahahaha! Oh, wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder! *_HAHAHAHAHA!_*

[@mariodelrio2387]

@@kaldurskipper6821 yup

[@Oniqueen]

KZbin removes dislikes for the sake of KZbinrs. Meanwhile Totally Not Mark had 150+ videos removed due to copyright claims and now has to manually have every one of those videos reviewed one at a time. THANKS KZbin! /s

[@AscendantStoic]

Shows clearly where their priorities are at, and it's definitely not protecting the "small creators"

[@Dinossword]

It removes criticism for one, and they could had a system where had the option to remove likes and dislikes, but why remove the dislikes as a whole?

[@MythicaIl]

@@Dinossword They already had a option to hide the like and dislike button

[@Dinossword]

@@MythicaIl Yeah, why remove the dislike ratio?

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube has to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@planetsliveinsidethemoon1600]

IMO the worst part of all of this is that no matter what, KZbin just won’t listen or revert the change. Even with several big creators speaking out about it, YT’s too big to fail at this point, and so they couldn’t care less about the creators and the viewers that make their platform what it is.

[@addex1236]

While yah this change was to protect company's dropping ads for the product as in videogame and movie trailers

[@izzyj.1079]

@@addex1236 And they'll still be left confused when their shitty products fail

[@addex1236]

@@izzyj.1079 Its more to control the press prevent story's such as X trailer most disliked video on KZbin

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube _has_ to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@saloosh777]

They don't listen because despite the YT community and viewers complaining about it, they don't do anything extreme like switching to other services or cancelling their YT Red subscriptions and such. YTers won't leave the platform and will continue posting videos filled with ads just fine. Viewers will go watch those videos + those ads too.

[@wariot4416]

Here is a genuine solution to the dislike feature: Give creators the option to decide for themselves if they want to enable or disable the dislike button. Why does KZbin have to decide what is best for everyone?

[@channel45853]

No, if you were able to disable the counters, it should be both. You don't get to show your good without the bad.

[@comyuse9103]

@@channel45853 which is what we already did.

[@channel45853]

@@comyuse9103 yep, but now KZbin wants to reward not taking criticism

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Because then it looks bad and people can call companies out for doing it. Same thing happened with the remove both likes and dislikes feature.

[@ShatteredGlass916]

Because they already have those feature if i'm not mistaken

[@sekarmaltum1695]

I SEE A PATTERN: politicians: "we care about our citizens" millionaires: "we care about the poor" ceos: "we care about our employees" ads: "we care about the consumers" youtube: "we care about our creators" ... yeah, nobody is buying it.

[@level20eevee75]

so, so, true.

[@sadie8834]

Actions speak louder than words.

[@MisterJang0]

"If a service is free, then you're the product." KZbin's customers are advertisers, not us the users, because we don't pay anything. KZbin is 100% doing this for advertisers and it doesn't surprise me one bit.

[@SpoopySquid]

When it comes to Facebook, KZbin etc it's our data that's the product which is sold to the highest bidder. We are the strip mines

[@ZeeNastee]

Big companies protecting the reputation of other big companies. Isn't it heartwarming?

[@Potato-pc4tj]

Yep it’s always sooooo nice to see friends have each other’s back 😒

[@irenemax3574]

The algorithm will no doubt rate this as a positive comment.

[@ohno8398]

🎆 The power of friendship 🎆

[@sauleiwanderapfelstrudel]

class solidarity

[@kingbash6466]

It’s shocking how the rating system for KZbin has gotten this bad in 15 years. Like imagine simplifying from a five star rating system into a like & dislike system, only to then get rid of the dislike part, which renders the likes completely useless.

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube has to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@Wilus0]

@@comyuse9103 this is a good idea.

[@comyuse9103]

@@Wilus0 not mine, just spreading the good word! when strikes happen people ddos the application sites when the company tries to hire scabs, gumming up the system with pure numbers is the only way the little guys can fight back

[@Claeleth]

@@comyuse9103 but if they get drowned in reports, doesn't that mean they won't be able to take care of real cases?

[@quicksilverchaos4122]

@@Claeleth yeah...I think this would be a bad idea. especially overreporting for child abuse.

[@pikamew6960]

On a serious note, I worry about how this will effect teenagers especially now that extremist content won’t have much of an indicator to show that it’s generally disapproved of. There’s countless dangers that can come from something like this & social media is once again showing that they don’t care about the safety of the children using their platforms.

[@binatitagain]

Agreed! Same goes for health 'hacks' and advice.

[@TitanosaurusFan75]

This should have been brought up.

[@elfodelputoinfierno]

Tutorials that require you to download things as well

[@gustavgnoettgen]

Well, y'all are now officially considered "haters".

[@TitanosaurusFan75]

@@gustavgnoettgen how so? The original post was about how removing dislikes would promote more extremist content in the algorithm to developing teens. So I don't see how your argument stands.

[@fyrewatermelons]

I remember the days when you could dislike comments and KZbin would even hide comments if they had a high enough dislike ratio or if it was reported multiple times. Then they got rid of that perfect system in favor of Google Plus comments.

[@insertcreativenamehere8554]

"our goal here at KZbin is to give everybody a voice" they say as they take away peoples voice

[@debzykvids]

It's decisions like this that make me want to start a future channel on alternate sites rather than here. May this video get viral and spread the message loud and clear!

[@34_Israel]

Good luck with your career on Dailymotion.

[@christopherjones5446]

The only message independent creators like yourself can send is to move, en masse, to platforms like Vimeo or Dailymotion. The problem is, independent creators need that big audience and, sadly, that’s KZbin. It sucks.

[@StopFear]

You can start it but you know no substantial audiences will be found outside of KZbin. KZbin is something you use by choice, and coincidentally this is still the most widely used and most accessible platform. Yes there is Vimeo and whatever but you know most viewers and potential is still here.

[@christopherjones5446]

@@StopFear So, in conclusion, KZbinrs like Cynical Reviews shouldn’t bitch. Or get a job that doesn’t require them to sit in front of a camera with action figures behind them complaining about how this producer or that director raped their childhood. Turn on the camera, do your rant, plug your swag shop, and call it a day.

[@darkminstrel2041]

I think the next move should be to rename the platform. Facebook is getting Meta, KZbin should be TheirTube, because it sure as hell isn't yours anymore, is it?

[@songbird6414]

This is funny to me, because it also completely invalidates the like count. If you can’t tell how many people disliked it, then who cares how many liked it? It’s a completely ironic decision.

[@maxicornejo9675]

This is exactly the effect that it had on me. I have not realized how I stopped caring about the likes a video has until I read this comment. Now whenever I scroll my sight goes straight to the comment section. What a way to make a feature irrelevant.

[@evanhanley6437]

KZbin just has to keep changing things that don't need to be changed. Its beyond ridiculous. They need to focus on copyright, monetization, channel hacks, bots and so much more. They should stop protecting film production companies. Loved the Fallout 4 text in the background.

[@ishy6875]

They're looking out for the big businesses they don't care about the voices of their community.

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube has to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@SwimmingInSunlight]

@@comyuse9103please stop spreading this idea under each comment, it's a terrible solution as it'll delay videos that actually need a quick takedown from being found among the report spam. And after that KZbin will just shut down the reporting option, it's not like they'll cave to some demands of users abusing their system 😅

[@comyuse9103]

@@SwimmingInSunlight nah

[@warlordofbritannia]

Can’t wait for KZbin to start going: “We have never had dislikes. We have always had only likes. Corporations have always been your friends.”

[@nastassjaminson5040]

1984 lookin ass

[@alexdonahue7342]

Additionally, creators will likely be harrassed to release a screenshot or something of likes to dislike ratio on videos... On extreme ends, channels might be hacked to have like to dislike ratios "leaked." Although I know that's extreme so I don't believe that's going to be super common.

[@frozie4615]

most frustrating is definitely how youtube knows that we're dependent on this platform for video content and so they can do whatever the heck they want. a perfect example of how monopolies are mostly bad for consumers

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube has to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@DefinitelyNotCursedPen]

I don't know, won't it make the actual terrorism videos seem like less like a threat?

[@comyuse9103]

@@DefinitelyNotCursedPen actual terrorism is tracked by actual agencies, this just keeps youtube in the clear with ad partners.

[@jennpao1999]

We should have do something like dislike December to protect it and just stop entering KZbin, it's not that hard

[@caoilfhionndunbar]

Im honestly debating switching to Vimeo

[@jackdaone6469]

It’s worth noting that this is likely being done to try and demoralize us from speaking up. Even when dislikes are low, the fact that you know you’re not alone even when you’re part of a minority encourages people to make their voices heard.

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube has to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@MinqApoc]

This might backfire spectacularly because when has trying to demoralize the internet ever worked? Internet people are known for doubling down and rebeling against such plans and strategies.

[@Projectarchan]

@@MinqApoc Yeaaaah....trying to demoralize the internet is a futile effort

[@misterzygarde6431]

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if KZbin removes the ability for non-verified channels to post videos or if a bunch of disgruntled users raided KZbin HQ.

[@dragoncat3499]

Well there was an incident in 2018 where a disgruntled creator shot 3 employees at the KZbin HQ and then shot herself because she was angry with KZbin's policies and how often she got demonitized for apparently no reason. We might see more incidents like this in the future if KZbin doesn't quit making such moronic decsions.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

@@dragoncat3499 one can only hope

[@wd3185]

@@DistractedGlobeGuy I'm upset at KZbin, too, but it's fucked up to hope for the deaths of employees who probably had no control over big decisions like this, so I can't side with you on this one.

[@Sorrelhas]

The verified thing is a really good idea, why the f*ck did you say it out-loud

[@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard]

Wasnt that what fucking Pornhub did with only berified users being able to upload content? Which caused, in turn, nost thab half of the contwnt there to be gone? Specially animated porn? I remmeber the fiasco that was

[@BrianTonerAndFriends]

As a creator, I've always found the dislikes helpful. They've let me know when a video I've created is trash or not. How am I to improve my content? I've also had some folks who would chronically dislike my videos, but I was always just happy with the engagement.

[@tessaelmore8819]

I feel that not only should KZbin bring back the dislike option, but they should even have a percentage rating under the thumbnail so that we as viewers can know if a video is even worth our time and not give it extra views, but I can now see how that is so much to recommend.

[@fabiank.2604]

As soon as you hear a variation of 'we've heard your concerns and we're taking these concerns VERY seriously...' you can be sure that what follows is a lie. It just means: 'Calm down, we know you're angry. We expected that. We don't care. Let us just carry on with what we were doing.'

[@fabiank.2604]

By the way...I liked this...but does it matter?

[@KingPK]

When someone says "we did research that showed X" and doesn't provide that research for others to scrutinize, I immediately squint my eyes at them.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Even if they provided the data, it's so easy to fake.

[@jamestomato1744]

If they did provide data, it'd look something like what Apple showed off when they were showing the power of the M1 chip. Some graph with a line, and unlabelled axes that is effectively useless.

[@SisuGirl]

One of the worst ideas, for sure. There have been many bad ones dealing with monetisation, removing DMs, & no ad revenue if content is marked as “family friendly”…yet the non-stop (adult) spam is increasing & blowing up comments. Well done. 👍🏻

[@JoshuaWillis89]

I genuinely think KZbin has decided that properly regulating their site is too expensive and just want to keep/implement the policies and functions that take the least amount of effort to maintain. They clearly do not care about creator/user experience at all.

[@max_punch]

Damn I miss the youtube chat, worst part is you didn't even have a way to save ur convos (unless you screenshot everything)

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube has to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@Zsuluap]

@@comyuse9103 They never respond to any reporting in my experience. I have reported crypto scammers and others a million times. But they earn money for every view on every video. So there is no reason for them to really take down channels.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Your "Why dislikes are important" segment really summarizes why I think KZbin is ran by impuslive teenagers. they literally don't have any foresight and seem to not know their own damn platform

[@fisher3317]

no, they're just prostitutes who sold out to advertisers. Big money makes whores of all of us.

[@oneofthefools0]

I hope everyone gets the extension that let you see dislikes again. i'm not sure enough people will use them to really make a difference, but at least it's something. It really is insane though that youtube does not seem to care about keeping people on their platform 🙄

[@flygirl6048]

"give everyone a voice" look, buddy, people have a voice. If their voice sucks, people should be able to say so. Ughhh KZbin makes everything so much more complicated while blatantly ignoring the dumpster fire they've already created or otherwise not addressed.

[@comyuse9103]

oh god, this is gonna make boomer bullshit worse. shit like the covid conspiracy nonsense doesn't get downvotes on facebook so the boomers see it and just assume it is fine and dandy, now the same thing will happen to youtube.

[@DogDooWinner]

@@comyuse9103 I haven't been on Facebook for 2 years. I remember there was an option to put the annoger emoji. I think we're ignoring the actual issue, idiots going to idiot because everything on the internet 100% real. I like trash fires. Breathatarians, gravity and/or moon denialsists. Not moon landing, the actual moon. All great stuff. They're still idiots believing idiots.

[@flamestoyershadowkill]

@@comyuse9103 the nanochips are a redundant and stupid idea because we are probably track people through their phones

[@JoshuaWillis89]

Ok, so a creator can already disable likes/dislikes if they are genuinely bothered by the negative feedback or if they are being targeted, right? Dislikes already count as engagement, so I know a lot of creators don’t really care one way or the other. KZbin already solved the problems they’re claiming to solve here.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Why not report-button-smash some racists, flat-earther and p0rn on KZbin? At least that helps us get a bit better of a plattform. A bit healthier.

[@bitnewt]

A bit suspicious to remove an extremely useful feature, supposedly for the "mental health of small creators", instead of addressing the concerns creators actually have about incorrect/malicious copyright strikes and demonetised educational content, which would probably do a lot more to help people's mental health.

[@Craigels]

Just throwing it out there.... If KZbin refuse to have the dislike number up, okay. What they should do instead is keep the like/dislike bar that was underneath. Make the bar thicker so it is clearer. And leave the number of likes. Then it is at least meeting in the middle.

[@evilchildren1102]

Dislikes: We're supposed to help people! KZbin HQ: We're supposed to help OUR PEOPLE!! Starting with our stockholders, Bob! Who's helping them out??

[@diehard7517]

The way youtube treats its' creators is similar to an abusive relationship where one person can't leave the other despite how badly they are treated. Except, in this case, youtubers can't leave the site because they simply don't have anywhere else to go and not because of emotional attachment.

[@artykeldeo]

that’s still abuse, just not emotional abuse

[@diehard7517]

@@artykeldeo that's exactly my point

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

They’re throwing trash in the community well. At least, that’s the underlying trope people are associating their actions with.

[@diehard7517]

@@dashiellgillingham4579 but the thing is, no one can really do anything about it. KZbin doesn't give a crap about what users think or say. Because where else will you go? They basically monopolised this area of entertainment.

[@urgae9125]

Eh, I'd say it's more than emotional attachment (say, their partner is physical, and they're worried of being redrum'd. Or maybe they have no money at all, thanks to financial abuse.) Despite my issues with the way your analogy was worded, I agree 100%, though. Hell, financial abuse is something a person in a relationship, and a person on KZbin are both affected by.

[@jackdaone6469]

Getting rid of Annotations also sucked because it allowed creators to quickly correct themselves about something in their video without having to pull it down and reupload, too. Not to mention the fact that it made one of PurpleEyesWTF’s episodes of Code MENT lose some of its best jokes that were told via Annotations.

[@BovineDesigns]

Man I didn't even see his vids before they removed annotations, I can't believe there used to be even more jokes in them!

[@5555Jacker]

Don't forget interactive games where you'd click on annotations to make choices. Good old times.

[@SpoopySquid]

And remember Markiplier's huge choose-your-own-adventure collab a few years back? How would you even play that now?

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Challenge-Time!! Go through the c-section and like random comments for the Algorythm!!

[@jamestomato1744]

ALSO they had the ABILITY to have you disable annotations of they were annoying so THEY FIXED THEIR PROBLEM FOR WHY THEY REMOVED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE but no....

[@generichuman2044]

I am frustrated with how often youtube seems to ignore actual issues and decide to just implement changes nobody wanted instead. At the moment there are issues with content stealing, people profiting off of famous deaths, scams and excessive spam bots but they just ignore. "Should we work on the numerous issues that effect our users and creators almost every day?" "Nah, screw all of that, let's just remove dislikes even though nobody wanted it and it doesn't help anyone in any way."

[@BiBiren]

Now they made Dislike button as useless as Comments Dislike buttons

[@dnister_nymph]

I never actually dislike videos, even if I hate them, but yes, I used to look at the likes/dislikes ratio to indicate whether a video is worth watching

[@amordesdemona]

In my opinion it has nothing to do with harassment. They don't want you to click off videos and potentially click away from the website. They want the viewers to watch videos fully instead of clicking away when they see it's a useless or overall bad video.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Challenge-Time!! Go through the c-section and like random comments for the Algorythm!!

[@julianathejaded7051]

I just dont get what the issue is... shouldnt we be making our own decisions anyway tho and using our own brains to decide whether we like or dislike something? Why do people want to rely on the opinions of others to make a decision if they are to like or dislike something? Its strange to me this way of thinking... I thought going with the herd and being influenced by bias was suppose to be a bad thing, and forming your own opinions fairly and applying critical thinking was a good thing, now apparently its not. I can decide in 2 minutes if a video has value to me or not. The opinions of others is irrelevant. And maybe thats what they were trying to do.. stop mob mentality and bias and give everyone a fair go. God forbid you use your own brains guys..

[@Vesnicie]

I was going to ironically dislike this video, but then I realized that irony and all other forms of subtlety are lost to the algorithm, so I liked it.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Challenge-Time!! Go through the c-section and like random comments for the Algorythm!!

[@SpaciousSneeze]

KZbin’s removal of dislikes reminds me of when teachers in elementary school would punish the entire class for one person’s wrongdoings. Without the bad, the good disappears.

[@lebro4401]

Reminds me in highschool

[@Athomass]

There has to be a way to push back. Generally for me it's less engagement/viewing of KZbin, but unfortunately that hurts a lot of creators.

[@JonBrown-q9e]

i was part of the test release for youtube dislikes (against my will), no survey, no option to opt out, no nothing

[@trebletv3867]

This is literally just a big corporation protecting other big corporations. I wouldn't be surprised if they took away comment sections in the future tbh.

[@chopsandtoots]

I'm glad you've taken the time to talk about this. I don't understand why they made such a moronic decision.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Corporations. Plain and simple.

[@waltercomunello121]

@@KeybladeMasterAndy and money.

[@Rationalific]

I understand why. Honest feedback from people hurts the "narrative" that the corporate and government elites are trying to create. (For example, Biden speeches voted down, horrible movies that hate their audiences voted down, etc.)

[@chopsandtoots]

@@Rationalific painfully accurate

[@silith7027]

When Activision Blizzard released the introduction video for their newest World of Warcraft Real-money-shop mount, it got disliked so heavily that Acitivision Blizzard privated the video before it got totally out of hand. There you have who KZbin is protecting with removing dislikes.

[@that-idiot663]

I really wish ads weren’t allowed to turn off comments as I am showed many scams and can’t go to the comments to warn people

[@droycon]

I like how there are a million reasons for why dislikes are great yet I can only think of one reason for they are “bad” and KZbin only looks at that reason and decides to ignore everything else.

[@AlexielRaziel]

I'm old enough to remember when Facebook had a like and a dislike button. When Facebook got rid of the dislike button everyone pretty much have the same sentiment that it was the worst thing ever that they decided to do

[@SpoopySquid]

Oh how naive we were

[@Wisehowlgames]

I really miss the community translations. It really helped broaden a lot of international creators and was responsible for the Vtuber boom. Mind-boggling that youtube would drop it when so many of those aforementioned Vtuber corps invest so much into KZbin.

[@acheron16]

"KZbin's mission is to give everyone a voice" So we're gonna do that by removing the option of voicing your dislike of a video. Only blind acceptance and consumerism allowed here!

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Challenge-Time!! Go through the c-section and like random comments for the Algorythm!!

[@philobetto5106]

this was done because Biden was getting slammed with dislikes and he should be!, but this shows the truth and that's unacceptable

[@ninjafrog6966]

“You won’t even notice they’re gone in a few months” Nope, still a terrible decision

[@ruffr4bb1t]

They won’t actually tell us why - being big television companies are posting their videos here and we’re getting dislike bombed. So they but a stop to that I guess… make the big man happy as KZbin always does

[@roloboog]

What’s interesting is how I’ve been desperately trying to find my dislike count in yt studio, but can’t. Either they lied or they just really don’t want my feewings to get hurt.

[@TisPopRock]

If you add your videos to a playlist, go into KZbin studio, go to the playlist tab, and click on the playlist you can see the like-dislike ratio

[@generichuman2044]

The youtube executives continue to baffle me with their decision making. Over the last few years, every change they've made seems to take the site backwards and is hated by creators and users.They talked about potentially doing this month's ago and despite heavy criticism, they did it anyway. If there was any sort of competition, youtube would have failed a very long time ago. This site is no longer about broadcasting yourself. It's about pushing music and TV clips. This change only helps big corporations and simply angers users and the majority of creators. At this point they should just change their name to CorporateTube.

[@octogonSmuggler]

It's also about the 'shorts' which are mostly just from Tik-tok.

[@generichuman2044]

@@octogonSmuggler exactly. There used to be vine and now we have Tik Tok. If I wanted to watch a series of short clips, I would go to a site that is specifically for that purpose. I come to youtube for longer videos and sometimes even full length documentary style videos

[@rbnzo25]

Yeah things I search for now that I searched for years ago are impossible to find now because everything is just fucking T.V clips

[@5555Jacker]

There is some competition, my favorite alternative so far is Odysee. But its main weakness, along with that of most other platforms, is people don't get money from ad revenue. You could get tips from users, but it's probably not as great. I wouldn't make a video sharing site my job, but this is probably what makes it hard for many big creators to switch platforms, now that they've made KZbin their main source of income. Still, it can be used as a way to backup one's videos.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@5555Jacker Odysee is too controversial for most advertisers unfortunately. Too many spooky right wingers.

[@idealisticcynic06]

Been waiting for this honestly one of the stupidest things youtube has done- Also i just thought of how twitter doesn't have a dislike button and that has just gone so well for everyone edit: fuck me i had no idea they would actually use that as an unironic argument oh my lord

[@comyuse9103]

yeah the effects of fucking twitter and facebook should be all the proof everyone needs to say dislikes are a good thing.

[@snelldor1474]

Copyright takedowns, demonisation, strikes: Still exists. Removal of dislikes despite the number of concerns that could occur: We did it boys, we solved bullying.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Why not report-button-smash some racists, flat-earther and p0rn on KZbin? At least that helps us get a bit better of a plattform. A bit healthier.

[@johnh.mcsaxx3637]

@@loturzelrestaurant Reporting is also broken. Peluchin, the youtuber who killed a cat in his video, was reported left and right for years before he was finally taken down.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@johnh.mcsaxx3637 Broken indeed. But not yet totally useless.

[@TrickyMario7654]

KZbin: You won't be able to see the dislike count now. Browser Extensions: Allow me to introduce myself.

[@hafstendo5619]

Thank you youtube for protecting small youtubers like HBO max, Disney, Nintendo and Netflix. Thank you so much KZbin

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Critical Drinker does that too.

[@silashurd3597]

@@loturzelrestaurant I love that dude!🌟

[@MultiEnemis]

For all those interested, there is a Google plug-in that brings back dislike (not sure how it works, but it does show dislikes on new videos). It's called: Return KZbin Dislikes.

[@leostellations4914]

Indeed, as long as the dislikes on the video hadn't been hidden before the change, the add-on will work with any video

[@waltercomunello121]

installed.

[@guynamedrick4419]

@@waltercomunello121 Is it for mobile?

[@comyuse9103]

it goes offline the 13th. but they say they will have an alternative by then, a wrap for youtube so people can still see the add-on's dislike count.

[@lawrencevalero8111]

thanks. this is helpfull. its weird af not seeing the like disike ratio

[@chainlink2459]

I honestly feel sorry for the people in those official KZbin videos who have to give these reports. Just being thrown under the bus for the hatred of millions of people.

[@gabrielrussell5531]

Hiding dislikes is nowhere near as detrimental to my tubing experience as removing the ability to see which videos I've already watched from the related videos.

[@BlazingOwnager]

In the youtube announcement video I ran into one person in the comments who was saying it was a wonderful move because she was constantly dislike bombed and harassed. 30 seconds of googling said user showed she was a dedicated copyright troll that would strike videos that didn't actually violate anything out of petty spite and people called her on it. Someone who goes and kicks the hornet's nest multiple times then cries they got stung.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Why not report-button-smash some racists, flat-earther and p0rn on KZbin? At least that helps us get a bit better of a plattform. A bit healthier.

[@AbrahamSamma]

We the unwashed masses do not deserve the dislike button. That's the message I'm getting from KZbin.

[@KenDawg25k]

It probably helps controversial KZbinrs like Nikacado Avocado, That Vegan Teacher, and many others terrible KZbinrs to thrive on this platform

[@thecinematicmind]

Thankfully didn’t help Falconic Chaos.

[@Galidorquest]

I believe it's mostly political since we're currently in such politically divided times. After all, KZbin actively tries to promote left-wing propaganda and removing the dislikes will make it look good.

[@jackdague1792]

Honestly, Imma take particular issue with the comment that other platforms lack a dislike button. Instagram was made to get away from negativity, if I remember right. You can see that people enjoy your content, not that they don't enjoy it, which feels better and, with shortform content like that, is ultimately harmless. Twitter is about finding the content you want to consume and following it. You wouldn't need a dislike button because you're not getting recommended dozens of new tweets from other creators. Reddit has a dislike button, and it's incredibly valuable for keeping down the bad memes (doesn't help though) and smiting bad comments. KZbin is about exploring creators to find content that may be new or fresh. That's why it recommends so many videos on the right, many of which are from channels I don't watch at all. That's the whole point of the infamous Algorithm, to decide what kind of content would most likely appeal to you. So dislikes are incredibly important for deciding whether or not a video that KZbin fed to you with a silver spoon is worth your time or not.

[@childrenofgrub]

So, they removed one problem, and made 5 more

[@devingunnels3251]

I'm a big history buff and love to browse KZbin's rich selection of history videos. Unfortunately, some of these videos give false or misleading information, and a high dislike ratio is often the first indication of that. Now only the comments can clue me in to the validity of a video's info, and damned if they decide to remove that too.

[@joshuariddensdale2126]

Instead of focusing on dislikes, KZbin needs to start preventing videos of infant monkeys being abused and tortured by their cruel owners from being uploaded. Videos of infant monkeys ripped from their mothers arms at birth for the sole purpose of being sold off to the exotic pet trade.

[@myriahkeays3846]

Why don’t they just make showing dislikes optional at the very least? Then all these so called “targeted channels” can do what they like. It’s still not a great idea, but mildly better than forcing dislikes away altogether. The KZbin can still see their own dislikes anyway so what’s the point??

[@ThatWeirdFinn]

You could totally hide your own likes already.

[@rejd24]

They could also make it so if you hide your dislikes you also hide your likes too.

[@justyouraveragecorgi]

@@rejd24 Which already exists. Bruh, KZbin

[@rejd24]

@@justyouraveragecorgi it doesn't exist. You don't even have a option to turn dislikes on or off let alone make it so when you turn dislikes off likes are also off. - what I mean is that you can't have one off and the other on. You either have both off or both on.

[@jsas2047]

@@rejd24 yes, like it was before.

[@chainlink2459]

CJ: *WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE NORMAL?!* KZbin: _screams and removes dislikes_

[@anar8343]

As if we hadn't been suffering enough with COPPA now we gotta deal with KZbin removing dislikes?!

[@bbtb785]

Inactive subscribers SHOULD be removed from the subscription count after a year of dormancy. Too many dinosaur content creators have an embarrassingly imbalanced Subscriber to Views ratio.

[@theWarVet]

20:22 "Because money." Exactly.. That is the chief concern for any corporation. All their extra noise is just them attempting to dress a pig as a princess.

[@SirBolsón]

That's freemarket capitalism for ya.

[@fernandosimon5621]

Yes small creators like HBO Max must be protected. That guy in the video had a face that screamed "Can you smell the shit coming out of my mouth? Cause I can!"

[@slamg4618]

2025 KZbin: “We’ve decided to remove the comment section to protect the mental health of our creators since the creators might get comments that will make them feel bad.” 2029 KZbin: “We’ve decided to remove the like button to protect the mental health of our creators since some people might get more likes than others and that might makes them feel bad.” 2033 KZbin: “We’ve decided to hide the number of views a video has in order to protect the mental health of our creators since some videos might get more views than others and that would make some people feel bad.” 2037 KZbin: “We’ve decided to remove videos from our platform to protect the mental health of our creators.”

[@personanongratis]

That's going to happen sooner rather then later!

[@huntarthebarbarian8407]

2044 KZbin: “we decided to remove KZbin from our platform to protect the mental health of our corporate overlords-I mean, creators”

[@flamestoyershadowkill]

and more and more extension will be made to add those functions back mainly for brave, firefox forks, etc

[@Gilby1385]

2099+ KZbin: "We STILL won't even think about removing the "Made for Kids" restrictions."

[@BrianStorm742]

KZbin straight up patronises its users. Yes, there is hate bombing, and it's bad, but here's the thing: I, as a fully functional human being, can identify the difference between a video that's bad and one that has been hate bombed. If a trans creator tells about their personal experiences as a trans person raising a child or whatever, and the video has a humongous dislike rate, I am perfectly capable of discerning that that's probably the result of conservatives not liking the creator and/or the content and 4chan having been recruited to ridicule them. If a completely inoffensive tutorial has a lot of dislikes, that's probably not hate bombing but simply a case of it being a bad tutorial. Like, I don't need KZbin holding my hand through all of this. I can tell when a like/dislike ratio paints a fair picture of a video.

[@comyuse9103]

yo i am hijacking this comment to say; start reporting videos for terrorism in addition to disliking. or child abuse. anything that youtube has to respond to, if we fuck up the systems that keep them on the right side of the law and in the good graces of evil corpos they will start paying attention.

[@warlockgod66]

I never got why they left the thumbs up for the video instead of taking away both of them

[@SarahAbramova]

So to protect voices, they silenced the voice of the audience.

[@NicolaeHolley]

It was actually really cathartic to sigh together, thank you.

[@pressplayulysses]

At this point, it will be a huge (and I mean, HUGE) miracle if KZbin actually listens and restore the dislike count.

[@Galidorquest]

They probably never will since they took away the option to downvote comments as well back in 2013. I believe it's mostly political. The people at Google & KZbin are biased left-wingers and this change helps make content from promoted outlets like CNN look good.

[@alzerbardoz1953]

I have one question. If KZbin doesn't want dislikes, then why did they even install them in the first place.

[@fatherpucci8170]

Because I was in KZbin for 15 years But Suzie fired me.

[@alexwilliams3765]

@@fatherpucci8170 There there. You can get a job at McDonalds

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@fatherpucci8170 learn to code lol

[@fatherpucci8170]

@@GeraltofRivia22 wait you give me ideas I can made own story or own comic.

[@exodust3114]

As well, seeing a video is disliked can help the creator to create better content in the future as they can see they’re doing something wrong

[@DABishai]

You can still see the dislikes for your own videos, so I’m not sure if KZbin’s whole “creator mental health” argument is very convincing.

[@monkewithinternetaccess6107]

I don’t get the surprise. Were people really expecting KZbin to have a good idea?

[@Niobesnuppa]

No surprise, just disappointment.

[@MixMasterLar]

Waited the whole video to see if you landed on the conclusion that it's to protect ads and corporations, and am glad you did. I immediately suspected as such when the announcement was made. The actions only make sense through these lens.

[@rainbowtrash3428]

KZbin doesn't care about its users and its creators. Your reviews make my day and I hate that people who don't release such quality content need their "feelings" protected.

[@karlslicher8520]

Google falsely advertises ad-free premium membership that's still got at least two ads per video and most of the content listed as 4K actually steaming at 720p.

[@TrainsTer-91]

The only way to get angry at this 1- remove your youtube red/premium subscriction 2- get an adblocker. Really, remove it for content creators you really like but keep it on as long as you can 3- review 1 star youtube if you already didn't We have to strangle them until they listen to us.

[@meloneatingwolf1882]

The worst part is that it’s automatic, creators with integrity can’t show dislikes. Also the banning of comments can be bad outside of just bad videos, but also social interactions and conversations.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Why not report-button-smash some racists, flat-earther and p0rn on KZbin? At least that helps us get a bit better of a plattform. A bit healthier.

[@Galidorquest]

@@loturzelrestaurant Flagging usually doesn't work these days with anything other than p rn. And it especially doesn't work on the comments anymore.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@Galidorquest Try flagging some p0rn using lesbian-folks as s-objects and see what happens.

[@wilberforce95]

KZbin's idea that anytime a video gets dislike bombed it's because of malicious intent and not just because the video or creator sucks is hilarious. What about people who spout misinformation or racism? Should they be allowed to "have a voice," as they put it? Ridiculous

[@GeraltofRivia22]

I think they should have a voice. But others should also have a voice to challenge them. Silencing people doesn't change their beliefs.

[@meganwillard4709]

KZbin: "Our creators mean the world to us!" The creators in the question: *the one who give them the most money*

[@cantbcaroline]

Watch them get rid of comments in the future because “they’re there to help the *small creators* not get abused and attacked”