The Definitive Guide To TQ's All-New 2022 HPR50 Drive System

[@nickkane5571]

So as Steve says full power ebikes are a different sport, these low power ebikes allow a 60 year old like me to ride as much as i did when I was 30. For me its all about fun exercise. I still want to exercise and pedal hard but I need rewards to encourage me to keep doing it.

[@federaldelii]

With these high tech bike people discover the beautiful nature of earth 🌍 again. Getting out of their automobile 🚗 boxes 📦 and feeling the freedom of going beautiful trails

[@nitraM321]

what an amazing trail !! that’s my style, easy flowing,,no jumps, im old :’

[@ilovephotography1254]

I love to see this motor on an Urban/Commuter type of e-bike.

[@ThomasSchmitzSPFC]

I wish they put this TQ motor on a Trek Slash. I would buy it right away!

[@acarp4766]

Probably gonna come out with one next year... Just like Spesh did with the KSL. Love that bike.

[@eddieschouten6861]

Now finally there’s a virtually near quiet ebike motor. Just gotta wait for it to add half or double it’s NM of power😎

[@curtiscooksey1340]

Rocky Mountain Power Play does that.

[@markroberts7866]

So basically if you’re riding an analog hardtail like me and like how a normal bike feels on descents, want to try a full sus but your 47 year old knees hurt peddling to the top of Fod this might be the best of both worlds in mtb terms.

[@getstrongby4038]

Haha its a conundrum! I just went for the full fat rail as I couldn't resist

[@MrMartinSchou]

3:40 - You can't spend the last few segments talking about how quiet the motor is, and then BLAST music when showing off the bike in a segment without any speech. "LISTEN TO HOW QUIET THIS MOTOR IS! IT'S SO QUIET WE HAVE TO REALLY PUMP THE VOLUME ON THE MUSIC!" 7:32 - No, we can't hear your camera man running next to you, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BACKGROUND MUSIC RUNNING WHICH IS LOUDER THAN THE BACKGROUND NOISE! What's the point of talking about how quiet something is, when you refuse to actually demonstrate how quiet it is?

[@halfbrain86]

Check rob rides emtbs review. There you will hear it.

[@md.moinulislam9467]

Very innovative and unique technology with a popular mtb bike brand.....!

[@Offroader74]

Now we wait for the TQ80. I'm pretty sure they have this in development. This technology is amazing

[@CarkeekW]

I hope it ends up being a 90

[@federaldelii]

I wait for TQ300 till 2035 😅

[@miless2111sutube]

A very interesting bit of kit. It is a shame that the claims of silent running are undermined by the video always playing music whenever the opportunity to listen to the bike is presented.

[@davidking3699]

Be interesting if they bring this same harmonic pin ring technology to a more powerful version in the 80-100Nm range for the heavier rider or bigger climbs...

[@mcsol01]

They (TQ) did that already a few years ago. Look up their HPR 120S motor with 120 Nm torque :)

[@acarp4766]

I cant wait to hear more about the soon to be competing Fazua and yet to be talk about Mahle x20 systems

[@bananabear009]

Looks pretty revolutionary. Hope it would live up to it’s promises

[@rgd1977]

Nice advert but I’d probably go for the Pivot Shuttle SL in this category.

[@billderas3420]

I have ridden the new Trek EX-e and did find the motor to be virtually silent; however, the freehub noise while coasting was a tad louder than expected.

[@KristianSchoeler]

just needs to be paired with an Onyx hub then ;)

[@CurvedSlightly]

"This video is a paid-for presentation and brought to you by, TQ..."

[@graemeremington3700]

Love it......Best Ebike I've had!!!

[@nickclarkuk]

I’d love to see a higher power version of this

[@cben86]

They have one. It’s called the HPR 120S

[@nickclarkuk]

@@cben86 the 120s is not a harmonic drive though. I am wondering if the flexspline component would find it difficult to be flexible and durable enough with more torque going through it.

[@davisbradford7438]

@@nickclarkuk I just checked their site. The 120s also uses a pin ring technology which is essentially a harmonic drive based on how they describe it.

[@davisbradford7438]

@@andythealien1 I think the HPR50 is an iteration on the motor drive system design of the the TQ120S. It's lower power, lower RPM, and tuned for quiet operation.

[@swissride4k]

Unbelievable!!! Thanks for Sharing

[@embn]

Glad you enjoyed it! It's very exciting technology to see in the world of e-biking!

[@paularthur6456]

I'd like to know if the motor is rebuildable or disposable like the new shimanos.

[@brianneumann8848]

Is it reliable?

[@BigMal76]

The Harmonic Pin ring concept is not entirely new , i have seen a similar design in the Automotive industry fitted to electric variable valve timing and variable gear ratio steering. Great design for use in mountain bike and will benefit many going forward

[@Roaming50]

The new TQ is certainly an interesting motor and I wish them success, however Trek and TQ must be paying you a lot for the amount of content currently pushing this stuff.

[@asifitmatters1]

Well EmBN appears to have become nothing more than a marketing tool for a few select brands.

[@federaldelii]

@minerva What are you talking about? They are marketing all of them. Bosch, specialized, Shimano motors. All the world there are only motors of a number of a hand. With these high tech bike people discover the beautiful nature of earth 🌍 again. Getting out of their automobile 🚗 boxes 📦 and feeling the freedom of going beautiful trails. So you can only be happy to live in 2022 🎉🤘🏻💯

[@andymoss4285]

If you look at the thumb nail you will see it’s marked as an ad. Same as the factory walk through, and the fazua videos. It’s sponsored content. Man’s gotta eat 😂

[@asifitmatters1]

@@andymoss4285 you can’t review some and then “advertise” others. It’s destroys any trust you build for the reviewer. I think this is the wrong direction for EMBN.

[@andymoss4285]

@@asifitmatters1 if you look on every news website, you will see “sponsored content”. It’s the same thing. Nobody watching these videos is paying. So the people reviewing need to earn money to live. This is how the wheels keep turning I guess. So long as they are honest about what is or isn’t sponsored Im ok with it. Maybe it should be more obvious though.

[@PrivilegedPat]

I’ve found even with my pretty quiet Powerplay with the Dyname 4.0 the most of the noise I notice is the chain through the guide.

[@BikingBadwithTC]

Hoping to see the motor available on all mountain / enduro eMTBs.

[@nitraM321]

50nm, it’s made for,light cross country style bikes, but what would be nice is TQ making multiple models, 50, 70, 100 nm or there about

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

my bbshd is practically silent when freshly greased and 1500w. Never had the slightest issue with error messages and I often submerge the thing.

[@chhadmi]

Its not silent when pushed hard and already there have been failures with the motor anc warranty repair issues

[@rjahn3000]

really what failures?

[@tomcagle5324]

How about a TQ 65 for the Trek Slash-E 160?💸 Then add a 475-500 Wh battery at 42 lbs...totally possible for '23-24🤟🍻

[@nitraM321]

if i had to buy a new bike now, i would buy one with a TQ motor, mission accomplished EMBN :) good that i have three more years to go on my Rise, i hope Orbea will build their next bike around this motor, and Brose, fix your motor or u are a goner,

[@halfbrain86]

Orbea Rise with a TQ motor 🤤

[@elderwitch8632]

Hm buy bike or new house.. ? 🤔 so whens the latest tech coming out, aka realistic pricing.

[@CurvedSlightly]

When a motor doesn't provide much power, they are fairly quiet by design, that's fizzics, baby.

[@kilowatt8521]

I guess you haven't ridden a Levo SL then.

[@danvalicek]

Damn, that Fuel EX e is sexy af. Finally a bike that looks like a bike!

[@rjahn3000]

I have a 9.5 I have 60 miles on the bike and love it. I would like to know details on the battery, do you fully charge it while in storage and must it be kept at certain temperatures. Trek's documentation regarding this is lacking. Cheers.

[@nickclarkuk]

I looked up how harmonic electric drives work in robots and it made my brain hurt a little 😂 but well worth it.

[@dumpyosaurus6765]

apologies if this question was asked before, but what type of battery technology is it? lfp, turnery or otherwise ?

[@buforc2020]

What is the lifespan estimated to be on the drive unit?

[@pipito588]

so where in the video is the part about engine silence or did I not see it?

[@RideShagbark]

This would be great on eGravel style bikes with the weight size and lower power output. Any Gravel, Road or Commuter style bikes coming out with this system?

[@AlexandraOrtizdeFargher]

Gravel bikes I don’t get it? Road but getting the leather fist in the bum. Hmmm.

[@craigbest8644]

I'd quite happily have one, bar/stem combo would be switched out straight away tho.

[@neilbower123]

I've got a Trek Rail 9.8 & love there extended boost in eMTB mode. Does this motor have something similar? Tia

[@nickclarkuk]

I hope the flexspline component in a harmonic motor does not limit the torque that can be efficiently and reliably put through it

[@The_Privateer]

Hyping up a 'silent' drive motor... and not having raw audio of the motor running. Brilliant move! Also... the harmonic and/or cycloidal gear reduction drive was invented in the 1950's - it's certainly not anything resembling 'advanced technology' or under any sort of patent by anyone any more.

[@Guesswhokk]

It a shame with audio sampling. It a refined Harmonic version as stated it require many gears, which rattles and wines if using traditional harmoic drive bolted to a bike, but this doesn't (which is the innovation bit, patented as claimed).

[@rjahn3000]

I have one, the motor is not dead quiet but much more quiet than any other one out there.

[@DadMichoMurphy]

@@rjahn3000 How is the power compared to the (noisy) Specialized SL motors?

[@rjahn3000]

@@DadMichoMurphy I have not ridden a Levo SL but they only have 35nm of torque vs 50 on the TQ.

[@DadMichoMurphy]

@@rjahn3000 ok cool - so the 35nm of torque goes a long way on the SL, trying to get a feel if this is actually better

[@bamlopez1492]

Can I throw in a request for us in the US? Since your channel has been a global delight, can you maybe mention or flash the Imperial conversions when talking about metric measurements for us less intelligent US viewers? Thanks

[@kayakutah]

Is this the all new TQ motor that came out months ago, or is it really all new?

[@luizcarloszimmermann5505]

A melhor Ebike em termos distribuição de massa ; mais diribilidade positiva = ótima bike

[@CurvedSlightly]

What he said.

[@luizcarloszimmermann5505]

@@CurvedSlightly handling very good this bike ; I not speak Englich ( não falo Ingles , estou tentando aprender : very dificult for me ; I have 63 years old

[@55mblindy]

HPC rules🎉

[@idontlikeit.7822]

Looks like bookoo fun. Send me two on you

[@nateums]

how much does the bike weigh?

[@neilmacdonald2470]

Why get so excited about trying to make a ebike as light as a normal bike? Give me power and good software, weight and sound means nearly nothing when I’m full chat down a track. Ive come from racing motorcycles for the last 10 years so a 25kg ebike feels as light as there is anyway! Plus after a two stroker in my ears for all that time means I don’t hear the ebike motor either. Maybe you cyclist’s just need a bit more time in the gym!?💪😉 and some ear plug’s if it’s that loud! My kenevo seems spot on for me so let’s not get to carried away trying to go down one route as there are many of us who want to carry on with the big boy bikes! As long as they keep making stuff for all of us, we can all keep having fun, because that’s all that matters.

[@w.josephcarpenter1374]

All very well a mountain bike what can you offer the commuter rider ?

[@geckonia]

I turn on ANC works great 😂

[@Indictedheart]

I hope one day to have as many bikes and run a youtube channel like this. But I am still on the cheaper engines I ride a Custom Luna X2 V2 Ludicrous

[@ShredQuest]

Amazing new tech! Why did they have to use the macaroni and cheese color way tho 😂?!

[@embn]

100%! It was so exciting to see what TQ has been working on! The HPR50 motor is pretty revolutionary for lightweight EMTBs! The colour is great! 😅

[@Guesswhokk]

Smaller, lighter, low noise and minimal, shouldn't it focus on Road / hybrid bike frames than full sus MTB?

[@acarp4766]

I'll probably sell my KSL and get the SlashE when it comes out in a year or so (just like how spesh marketing waited a year for the KSL). Unless the rumors are true and the new Mahle SL 2.0 is compatible with my current KSL frame! (Please god please!)

[@kevincanham3078]

I'm not paying 6000 pounds plus for a ebike with 50nm of power

[@chickenclips]

Thanks for sharing

[@asifitmatters1]

Whats the price got to do with the amount of torque??

[@cg1983]

Yah true … I’ll pay more for more…. Lightweight

[@davefreeman9347]

I just paid 4800 which I think is really reasonable 👍

[@Wolvie10]

Is there a higher powered version of this motor no the way?

[@igorgoga7985]

how quiet is the motor? Just listen to the music blasting!

[@photobooksandrecords]

To be fair the Yamaha motor is pretty much silent and actually has power 😂 How much did they pay for this advert 😅

[@BHARGAV_GAJJAR]

all this is ok but why show ads to KZbin viewers when they are already paying KZbin company money for no ads ?

[@Pete68T]

Trek Bikes with this motor are Too Exspensive in UK,I Know Good E Bikes are Mostley Exspensive Items ,But these are Next level,No Alloy Frame Version Either ? I Wonder if Manufactures Ever Consider What Realy Happens to there Products Value, Once they have Brought out Yet another New Bike/Motor Every Year. If Like Cars and Motorcycles there was Some Way of putting Propper Used Values on E bikes instead of Just Letting E Bay Decide What there Worth Then The End User Might be able to Afford these New Versions ,But in my Exsperiance You Loose A Fortune Every Time you Try To Upgrade as it is Just Pot Luck if Anyone Wants Your Old E MTB.

[@jakelesnake]

How ridiculous is it to brag about how silent it is and then play loud rock music over footage of it on the trail 🤦

[@mxengineer1]

Any comments from the TQ R&D people about a more poweful TQ motor with harmonic drive?

[@mountaincruiser817]

Seen enough moobs for today.

[@Tony_P]

best comment! 🤣

[@DaBinChe]

Now I'm just waiting for this motor to come out on other brands/suspension design. Just don't like the single pivot design

[@paal6846]

Neat video, but its the 999th generic one of a TQ without a Fazua ride 60 comparison... cmon guys, thats the main thing we want. Not the same BS we can have A N Y W H E R E else online ;)

[@CarkeekW]

104 challenge time

[@ShaneHarderPhoto]

Note to the editor, when you’re talking about how silent it is, please let us hear that instead of music. Incredibly annoying.

[@Kenneynrg]

Wouldn’t it be great if drive units could be modular like say every other component and a choice could be made to change out to a updated unit from any manufacturer !!

[@jaycarneygiants]

So funny how certain ebike riders want silent and invisible motors... I wonder why that is?

[@embn]

A minimalistic design approach is always great for things like weight and rider experience, but maybe people don't want to admit they're being boosted up climbs!😅😉

[@jaycarneygiants]

@@embn exactly 😁

[@user-of9px7gg9e]

Advertisement. Content not independent may be biased.

[@MAXlMUS]

8:04 - wow that sucks

[@gzahnd]

You certainly talked a lot about how quiet it is, but you talked over it the entire time. Put a mic by the motor, ride, and let us listen.

[@chrismade123]

NO displays are not in right position, its blocking the posibility to put bike bags there! and its not true that talking next to other motors is a problem.

[@neilvan3779]

Bait

[@donjon1733]

talking about the noise level while music is blasting. ugh!!!!

[@asifitmatters1]

This doesn’t feel like a review or a guide, but like a home shopping channel segment for the Trek Fuel. It has all the tacky segments from “experts”, engineers and a presenter who appears to be able to find no faults at all despite being “independent”… EMBN needs to do better. You are losing part of your audience…

[@mikebirkett010]

Ahrgggggggg Fewer, not Less.........

[@djvojtan]

Next time don't wear a black t-shirt when you're showing off a black motor ;)

[@newbeginnings8566]

EMB are really losing the plot.. The other day we had the Bosch Racing Motor - they said it was faster and more powerful - it was neither... Next we have the near silent motor drowned out by load background music so we can't appreciate it.... They seem happy to take advertising money for new products that don't offer anything better or new... They are happy to tell stories and cover up details to fool us riders..very disappointing practises EMB...

[@martinschaake1638]

c'mon really,,, How old now is Bafangs BB range with power to burn, ohh and seriously quiet! Get your head out of the sand EMNB.

[@drTeddyJo]

too many cases of motor failures!

[@editname3502]

Seems so odd to me but these guys always wear a baseball hat so they appear youthful

[@embn]

The secret to looking young! 😅😉

[@KevinFoley]

A bit over-baked

[@dani777dani]

they stole harmonic drive and udated as harminic pin drive :)))))))))))))))))

[@lazarusdifiore1187]

talk less about brain size and weight please

[@sylvainbernaers]

then they cannot hear your are a fake