The DELTACAST: Ultimate Spamton Sweepstakes Post-Mortem [Part 5]

[@Dorked]

This is **Part 5** of the Deltacast, featuring me, Andrew Cunningham, MysticSlime, JaruJaruJ, HalfBreadChaos, Out_SiN, and Shayy (but not in this video). If you wanna check out the whole playlist, head right here: kzbin.info/aero/PLf-nz6f9VlIXyqD-ose5Cm7GQdVv-BzH9 Watch the next part here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJfCZpiio891q8k If you'd like to see more of my Deltarune-related content, I have a playlist of analysis and theories here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gabIeZp3j8iJZpI As well as character analysis content here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aofJeZt4nZaWbsU You can support me over at patreon at patreon.com/dorked and check out my Undertale webcomic at invertedfate.com/chapters Background and Sprite Artist HUECYCLES: huecycles.com/ twitter.com/HUECYCLES MysticSlime: kzbin.info/door/tV-Oh0FNWldfeqZCpdYO0g HalfBreadChaos: kzbin.info Out_Sin: kzbin.info Andrew: kzbin.info/door/YNu9Y31EV77TD8qTX_BIsA Dorked: kzbin.info twitter.com/derpisms invertedfate.com/chapters patreon.com/dorked JaruJaruJ: kzbin.info/door/JdPii8rHjrcCqWJgwRRk1Q Shayy: www.twitch.tv/shayy kzbin.info Assistant Editors: Molly m: kzbin.infovideos Weger: kzbin.info/door/oz7xwHtvnTy3aKFO8rfyUg

[@goatgod7545]

HELLO! I, ASRIEL, AM NOW PRESENT EVERYWERE! REMEMBER ME FROM THE NULL_2 CHAT/COMMENT SECTION?

[@alienenthusiast]

This has been a wonderful podcast, I hope y'all can come together and do another one at some point. :) Also I just wanted to say thank you, I noticed you tend to pitch in and help open the floor for HalfBread's discussion points, I'm sure text to speech isn't easy in an active discussion, but you helped them to be more included into it, so thank you.

[@lisabilby2006]

Ok, Hear me out here, What if, Spamton isn't copying Swatch, but rather, He's copying *gaster,* hm? it would make more sense why the IMAGE_FRIEND face and the Eyes from the website all share the eyes despite not having a connection to spamton, right?

[@i8dacookies890]

You know what else is yellow and pink? The Undertale Spare text color, there's a Froggit that lets you turn it from yellow to pink.

[@Dorked]

Ooh! Nice catch. :D I can't believe we didn't think of that.

[@ItsYee64]

Wow

[@aresrivera9744]

@@Dorked and you call yourselves the Delta cast lol . That’s actually the first thing I do every time I play undertale is change it to pink

[@Dorked]

@@aresrivera9744 In my defense, I always play with yellow names, so I forgot the specific shade of pink. :P

[@doritos4956]

I mean thay is cool and all but It doesnt have to do anything with spamtom and gaster at least as of now so I dont really blame them for not thinking of it

[@YouMayKnowMeAsNate]

9:52 Andrew said it best: “What he lacks in concrete lore, he makes up for with his lack of concrete lore”

[@Envy_May]

LOL

[@alexsheppard237]

I've quoted this multiple times since he said that.

[@Person-guy-thing]

HalfBreadChaos is such a good theorist, it seems that they know every speck of detail in the Undertale/Deltarune whether if it’s in the code or not. Always great to have a person that thinks outside of the discussion to compress evidence and strive to have one solution, you’re great as well! Seems that you are the one to change and discuss topics that really need some answers. Love this DELTACAST

[@PhantomGato-v-]

Bread was one of the last members of the Deltacast (behind Mysticslime) that I discovered. However, when I found them, I instantly fell in love with their quirky video style and very concrete lore pivots.

[@Klui_]

@@PhantomGato-v- Bread is fantastic, I remember getting the Spamton is Cat video recommended when it first dropped and thinking it was a shitpost only to be left flabbergasted, they put out some of my favorite theories

[@PhantomGato-v-]

@@Klui_ I'm not even kidding, Bread just responded to me like an hour ago and I didn't see until like 15 mins ago lmaooo

[@Klui_]

@@PhantomGato-v- Hell yeah!!! I'm still going through all parts before leaving my comments, this is such a wonderful collab, love to see so many people who care as much for this game as me discussing

[@HalfBreadChaos]

* The sight of all these fans writing such wholesome comments on everyone's channels... It FILLS you with Determination!

[@RemnantCult]

When Spamton A. Spamton died, I cried and have not been the same sense. This wonderful collaborative discussion put on tape will help ease the pain. Thanks y'all!

[@Dorked]

Happy to provide catharsis for the tragedy that is Spamton A. Spamton! May be find peace in the ether.

[@elizabeth_x51]

@@Dorked May he rest in pipis

[@Zyxdee]

RIP

[@TheFlyfly]

O, good Spamton A. Spamton You are, oh you are A scars in my ample rectum My scams, and my aching heart Will bathe forever in your centrum In the hopes that one day, the mighty [[Angel]], will grant you and me The perfect [[Heaven]], for the hundred year sleep

[@Zyxdee]

@@TheFlyfly beautiful words

[@betia4915]

i must say that watching the sweepstakes was the most close that i was to being in drugs that i ever was.

[@Dorked]

The Spamton Value Network is... an experience, for sure.

[@bigbadgammagnome]

As a fan of WayneradioTV, it was just another day lmao I think the stream where he got kidnapped by Homer was the one that freaked me out the most, problem due to all the Simpsons episodes playing all at once Sensory overload nightmare Seriously though he does these weird kind of streams on the regular haha

[@Dorked]

@@bigbadgammagnome I really gotta go watch more of their stuff. The production values were really impressive!

[@gordonramsayfan327]

@@Dorked Impressively unimpressive lol

[@bigbadgammagnome]

@@Dorked Wayne's video of him playing IM MEEN is pretty funny, not as high production as Spamton Value Network tho. He did something called Amazon Dark that's more insane. Probably the closest to SVN is a stream he did where he hired a medium to speak to his dead son Joshua from beyond the grave. Joshua is a computer boy who died because the program they used for him was taken down from public use, however they were able to bring him back briefly. Some other wild shit happens. It's a good time

[@CasualSunGod42]

Wait, if Gaster influences the secret bosses' eyes or something- "Only eyes blinded by darkness can see the way..."

[@AshenDust_]

Guys quick check Ralsei’s eyes

[@purple_cat7836]

i mean yeah, i think that’s the case. also the fact that characters related to him seem to have eyes and a face in general that resemble him (you can see it in rouxls kaard and seam for example)

[@userNEREMAR]

Oh shit. Oh fuck

[@q.s.w.9074]

​@@AshenDust_ They are pink, Oh no

[@bethshepherd9234]

Speaking of the significance of Spamton's eye colours, following how light works in real life, if you add magenta, yellow, and cyan lights together it makes white. If you move in the opposite direction, red, green, and blue are the closest to black. The lightners are cyan, magenta, and yellow...ish. The darkner characters are so far green and blue (Ralsei and Lancer). Spamton's two eye colours are only missing cyan to be white, like light. Which Kris happens to be in the dark world.

[@Dorked]

Ooh, very cool observation there. I wonder if Toby plans to go anywhere with this... HMM.

[@bethshepherd9234]

@@Dorked I think where his vision overlaps through his glasses he should also be seeing red all the time, as if you add magenta and yellow as pigments it becomes red (the colours combine differently if they are light, or if they're pigments, as they will either add or subtract colours. When you add them they become closer to white, if subtracted, they become closer to black).

[@bethshepherd9234]

@@DefinitelyARobot They're secondary colours in additive colours but they should still add up to white. They're closer to white than they are to black

[@lezoki8579]

I dont know if this is common knowledge or not but the basis of undertales story is based off of irish mythology. The tuatha de​ danann (monsters) were driven underground by the milesians (humans) The tuatha de​ danann are often described as fallen angels or descendants of fallen angels, which are neither good or bad. Following that logic, would make all monsters fallen angels. But following undertales logic, humans can be angels too. Which means basically anyone who fell into the underground/was driven underground or is a descendant of someone who was counts as some form of fallen angel If you apply that logic to deltarune along with everything deltarune has said about angels, you get an essay I cant fit into a comment It's definitely some food for thought

[@Dorked]

Ooh, that's a really cool observation! Thanks for sharing. :O That could have interesting implications.

[@riluna3695]

As a fan of the Korean-made, Irish-inspired, English-translated RPG Mabinogi, this hits pretty hard. All the more-so since I modeled one of my many characters there after Frisk. (I worked very hard to get the title "The Poker-Faced" from the Chain Slash questline :D) And I mean, the idea of the Milletians being uniquely capable of resurrection-based immortality holds between both games as well.

[@DogDogGodFog]

Lmao no you might be the first person on Earth to even suggest this

[@riluna3695]

Yeah I meant to ask that, actually. There's certainly a connection between the two ideas, but do you actually have reason to believe that Toby Fox modeled Monsterkind off of this Irish Mythology deliberately? Or does it just seem like a logical conclusion because they're such similar concepts? Because those are two very different statements. You seem to be saying you know for a fact it was deliberate. I'd be super curious to hear how you know that.

[@lezoki8579]

@@riluna3695 fair enough it does sound really deliberate, it's a really bad habit of mine. Nah its just an assumption, my wording is just crappy

[@NRobbi42]

Another connection to make that Bread brought up in a video is how that weird basement smile resembles a Cheshire cat, then after it disappears, the teacup ride appears. Not sure what to do with this Alice in Wonderland reference, but it's something to stick a pin in. Also, the eye colors match up with Spamton and element 6 is [Puppet/Cat], but again there isn't really anything to do with that information yet. Also mentioning Noelle's mom, I didn't think much about Noelle's "Holiday family ninja style" remark during the sweepstakes and thought she was just being a dork, but if what Alphys said about not needing the police because of the Mayor is true and the thing that attacked the bandits at night was also Noelle's mom, then she might actually be a badass 😬

[@schalomforever]

I'm surprised that everyone makes the Cheshire cat connection and mentions that Spamton's element is [Puppet/Cat] yet no one talks about Seam! They're a cat and they kind of have meta knowledge about the game too and know about the secret bosses. Now how do they know about the secret bosses if they aren't involved in them by themself? Maybe there's a connection 🤔 Also we never see their eyes. Maybe they are/were yellow and pink ^^

[@NRobbi42]

@@schalomforever That was actually also brought up in the video along with the many "Schrodinger's Cat" references in Deltarune so far.

[@schalomforever]

@@NRobbi42 Well that must have slipped my attention 😅 Thanks for pointing out. I might need to rewatch the whole thing anyway :) I hope they'll do another podcast together in the future ^^

[@pancakes8670]

I actually had a mini theory about Jevil and Spamton sharing visual similarities with Gaster. The idea is that by selling your soul to someone in Deltarune, you are warped into sharing visual similarities to that person. My evidence was that during the Spamton Sweepstakes Livestream, it is heavily implied that Spamton A. Spamton sold his Soul to the real Spamton. Not to mention in the Q&A, someone asked Spamton "Why do you look like that", to which Spamton responded essentially saying "Give me your soul and find out" However, the livestream isn't canon at all, so I don't think this theory is true. Maybe it's an idea worth keeping though?

[@schalomforever]

That would maybe explain Seam's similarities to Gaster. Heck, even Rouxls Kaard kinda looks a bit like the mysteryman 🤔

[@Anj9999]

That’s really interesting! Reminds me how in the genocide pacifist ending where you choose to stay with Tori Frisk will wake up and smile at you similar to how Chara is seen smiling

[@D_YellowMadness]

I feel like Undertale's corrupted pacifist endings pretty much confirm your theory. If that's true, that makes Chara's jump scare face all the more odd since it has similarities to Gaster but that actually lines up with my theory that Gaster used Chara in some way after their death to make the determination extractor. I always found it really weird that the machine you use in the true lab has a red soul on it for no specified reason & it's just never brought up. No one even has a red soul in Undertale except Frisk. Chara's could've been red but we have no way to know.

[@soluna4784]

@@D_YellowMadness actually, since the SOUL depicted on Chara's coffin is red, and the other fallen humans' SOUL colors are on their coffins, we can reasonably assume Chara did have a red SOUL

[@CheesyLizzy]

28:58 I think people just don't want to randomly bring it up, but Asriel's a very safe and nice topic to bring up, especially since seeing Kris would make npc's think of Asriel When I was in middle school, a very close friend's mom died of a heart attack, leaving their dad to continue raising the family on his own. I gavs my condolences and went to the funeral, but after that I never purposefully brought it up because I knew things were hard enough on their family

[@octo5042]

it seems that deltarune theories go one of two ways: Either it goes really in depth -- analyzing patterns and trying to grasp at lose ends -- connecting anything and everything to speculate upon. Or two -- circling back to the nature of Toby Fox's writing, where anything could be a troll or a red herring, and proceed to push the perceived "threads" under the rug.

[@Boomerkbom57]

One thing about Dess I want to add is that in Noelle's room, the reason why she has a calendar where every day is Christmas, is probably because she was trying to find her sister's page after it was taken down (The error message page) by searching December Holiday, but the only search result was Christmas. The reason when it's on every page is either because she checked everyday, or just generally checked it over and over again.

[@Dorked]

I actually did a video discussing this last year! That was back when people were still like "but what if her name ISN'T December?" ANd now we have proof that it is. xD Huzzah! But also very mysterious.

[@StormyDeltarune]

With the smiling face in the basement I never thought it was Spamton simply because Spamton can't smile like that and again he just can't enter the basement

[@OCTAMAN]

I absolutely feel for Out_Sin near the end when you guys were running in circles talking about Dess being forgotten, he absolutely nailed it with just stating “guys… it’s been 2 days in game, why would she need to be brought up?” I could tell he wanted to speak up that whole time.

[@starlite5154]

25:11 That's interesting to say because, I always thought Gaster is what was Grandpa Semi in its earliest stages, but when he got cut, the concept just morphed into Gaster overtime

[@furrykittens9312]

Loving this! While we're talking about darkness enveloping the house, I thought of a weird "meta" implication if it does get to Kris/Asriel's room. Remember that drawer whose contents vary depending on your save slot? While they aren't the most exciting items in the world, those differences might in principle impact the dark world in some way in Chapter 3. If this mechanic is ever going to be expanded on in some way, Chapter 3 would probably be the time.

[@Dorked]

Ooh, the drawer IS an interesting point. It would potentially bring something distinct to each save file, if that was the case.

[@CalamitasCalliope]

This whole podcast has just made me realize how insane it's going to be when the whole game drops. It's going to take dozens of hours to get a decent grasp of the story, and then countless more to find all the extremely obscure events and conversations that can happen

[@eldmusic]

I think people might not talk about Dess because it feels indecent. Bringing up someone who has disappeared would very probably be in bad taste. Not to mention, we know how Dess’s disappearance affected people other than the Holiday’s. It’s implied Asgore resigned from his position on the force after her disappearance, and its Very possible that that might have been what caused the rift in his and Toriel’s marriage.

[@letticelattice]

12:12 An interesting thing about this line that I didn't see get discussed is that it's a slightly altered version of a line from the end of Hamlet: "And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!" I doubt it really means anything lore-wise but it's still interesting to note that it isn't a totally original Toby Fox/RTVS creation (depending on who was responsible for that particular line).

[@ravenb3048]

Yellow eyes are an interesting motif. Undyne, Sans, Jevil, Suisie, Spamton, Swatch, Tasque Manager and the face in the basement all have yellow eyes.

[@birdflox1337]

Toby Fox almost certainly at least reviewed the Spamton Sweepstakes event to make sure nothing crazy inaccurate was being said, but I personally doubt he directly wrote the script. I've watched a lot of RTVS event streams before and the dialogue just oozes with Scorpy-style humor, as well as Wayne's usual improv. there are also at least a few people in the group who are big fans of the games, so that explains a lot of the deeper references.

[@dwerical]

This series has been great so far

[@Dorked]

Eyy, thanks! It's very long, but we had fun. xD

[@ffringle]

One more thing I want to put out there: what if the wave and ocean sounds was the sound of the dark fountains? The “what if we can get darker than dark” line on the website with the ocean noises may be a reference to the dark fountains. When Kris created a dark fountain in chapter 2, it also sounds sort of like a ocean wave or if you were under water.

[@Fishiest]

this is how i learned that having a fear of power outlets isn't normal

[@Vivat_Veritas]

I really like the way that you guide conversation and make sure everyone is listened to. In a chaotic and potentially emotionally-charged discussion, you keep people on track and heard. Really cool!

[@sanstheskeleton3279]

This is an epic crossover lol

[@Dorked]

Yeah, it's really cool how it all came together.

[@schalomforever]

I think it would be cool if Dess was trapped "out of bounds" but in the light world and in order to save her the Delta Warriors have to become aware that they're in a game world too; maybe Kris already is and is looking for someone (aka the player) who can sequence break the game since they aren't able to themself just like we humans couldn't do it to our world even if we were aware of that (exept for Neo in the Matrix for example) The reason why it could be possible is that I have the theory that the "Dess-vanishing-accident" happend while the kids were in the woods messing around at the bunker (maybe to find Ice-E idk). It's known that Kris has trauma from that bunker and there's also a connection to Gaster because of the garbage noise that plays there. Since it's kind of established at the beginning that Gaster is meta aware and aware that the light world is a game world (survey programme, goner maker...) I think that at the bunker there would be tools to mess with the light world structure if he had realized that it's a game world too.

[@krazyivan9733]

Angel with tattered wings. Noelle, in the Weird Route, was inching closer and Closer to BECOMING the Angel, but ultimately, she didn't make it to that point. That's why she's the Angel with tattered wings. Her wings sprouted, but she couldn't fly. Makes one think about the idea that the player is the Angel's Heaven, which is one way to describe *the person place or thing that causes,or will cause, or would have caused, the Angel (which is a title bestowed upon a character, not a character themselves) to manifest.

[@nedmelee8108]

This is so great! I love all the differing angles you guys take to piece this unfinished lore together, whether Andrew's more logical analysis, bread's deep knowledge of the game, or Jaru's speculation for future chapters, you all play off each other really well! Really hope u guys make more in the future

[@PhantomGato-v-]

Then again, Dorked is very good at character analysis and broad searches!

[@nedmelee8108]

@@PhantomGato-v- agreed, I like what they all bring to the table, especially her analysis on Kris and Susie post Snowgrave, it makes perfect sense that Kris would create the dark fountain with Susie, Toriel, and the police as a form of insurance against another weird route situation.

[@OCTAMAN]

I love Out_Sin’s down to earth nature in this. Like when he got them back on track by talking about how it’s only been 2 days in game and that dess doesn’t really have a reason to be brought up by the minor characters. He’s clearly the least knowledgeable of “deep lore” but he has a very good realization that this is a video game first and foremost. And seems to be portraying his thoughts and theories through “how will this look in game?”

[@CraftyLilSoto]

Wait, aren’t the Spamton eye colors the same as the spare colors in UNDERTALE? Like, same hex code and everything? Wonder what that could mean…

[@Arkraiden]

Either it does mean something, or as it was noted somewhere during this whole thing- apparently Toby occasionally just uses the same colors for multiple things. The Yellow and Pink specifically seem to be the default MS Paint options for yellow and pink, so the Spare colors may have been the same scenario.

[@D_YellowMadness]

I'm gonna pull a crazy & say that "The angel's hymn." is hinting that "The angel is HIM." It's probably not true but I'll look smart in several years if it is.

[@ArcaneOblivion]

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else comment about this, but... While the colors switch in a few instances, Spamton usually has a yellow left eye and a pink right eye, while the thing in the basement has a pink left eye and a yellow right eye. Smile Friend isn't Spamton, but rather another character. Maybe part of the [Cathode Crew], but that's speculation.

[@ArcaneOblivion]

(Left and right from the characters' perspective.) Awesome podcast, btw.

[@janLilin]

Spamton NEO has a pink left eye and right yellow eye most of the time, and as you said, it sometimes switches in the shop.

[@Mr.Auternick_006]

Here is a little thing i wanted to talk about, 2:59 so Spamton and Jevil have the yellow color in their eyes and Sans eye blinks blue and yellow, so far every character connected to Gaster has yellow eyes!

[@Spamkromite]

How cool is to video jump to the chapters distributed across the people that were in the podcast? Over 9000 levels of cool ⚡

[@Paradox-Pixel]

I wanted to comment on Spamton's eye colour and the "thing" in the basement. So, Spamton's sprites have Left lens Pink, Right lens Yellow. The "thing" in the basement and the eyes from the chair have Left lens Yellow, Right lens Pink. What's interesting is Spamton NEO's eyes are also Left lens Yellow, Right lens Pink. It's really odd, I don't know if this is an inconsistency by Toby or a hint towards something. Anyways, great podcast! All you guys make great content! :)

[@TheFlyfly]

maybe the NEO body had a different inhabitant before Spamton entered, and the face is that character checking us out?

[@ElysiaEsper]

overall i think Waterfall becomes more and more significant with each Deltarune chapter update/lore drop. so many fun value events happen there, ocean.ogg is there, Onionsan references a very old song they heard from the sea but cannot remember the name, the other water audio that drips is the same audio in Waterfall where you are walking past the actual waterfalls with falling rocks- now also associated with the blue chair w/the coat on it, Suzy is referenced by Clam Girl there, it's the first place we hear about the Delta Rune & the Angel of Death, & there's definitely more i'm missing. also, during rhe Sweepstakes, the post that has the random door and all the blue stuff- i think it's also supposed to reference the ocean & create a deeper connection to a mysterious place that contains a mysterious door. it's always been a very mysterious place in Undertale. i'm not saying it'll all come back around to UT (i don't want it to), but just that more things are crossing over in into DR in even more mysterious ways.

[@rachelwilson9261]

I'd watched one or two of your videos but wasn't really aware of your channel, but I loved you during this series, especially with the points you made and your diligent fact checking, so I've been watching more videos on your channel. I'm happy seeing that that clearing of misconceptions remains, especially in your character analysis and fandom mandela effect videos. You and your videos rock! - New sub

[@Dorked]

Thank you so much for the sub and for the kind words!

[@TulipsinAntartica]

I always interpreted Jevil's face to be a weird ass mask with a mouth opening, which could explain why we can't see his eyes if the yellow-pink motif becomes a recurring theme among special bosses.

[@shybandit521]

Like the computer color wheel, they need cyan to create white light.

[@seycro]

i like how I can hear hours and hours of deltarune speculation and theories, and i love every second

[@lassoedthesos5529]

That Delta-cast wasn't lying, that hell's roar sure can bubble from the depths

[@zixvirzjghamn737]

wait... jevil has yellow eyes. spamton has yellow pink eyes, THAT MUST MEAN WE FIGHT RALSEI NEXT. ralsei has pink eyes. we have a gradient. yellow, yellow pink, pink.

[@AwesomeMutation]

It was so calming listening to your guy's voices and then I just heard the unused berdly theme at the end

[@Dorked]

HAHAHA... I just needed an appropriate length music for the end screen so I was like "OKAY BERDLY"

[@cyram4489]

My crackpot theory is that the secret boss will be Torial's joke book or her sock drawer 😂

[@neonotterpop2528]

I've had an exhausting day, and what better way to relax then to watch fellow nerds nerding out over my favorite nerd game :3 edit: i'm not done with the podcast yet so i dont quite know if this was mentioned or not, but the book of hymns and the hymn of the angel could be a teaser to a future secret boss

[@whim165]

I never even thought about Dess being thematically similar to the "cut content" of Gaster and his followers. And yeah, Out_SiN has a point with nobody talking about her for two days, but still, so much about Undertale and a extent Deltarune is based on the sense of the game know there's a player and how much do they know about the world. If Toby hid this from us until this point, is fair game. Well, thats what I think anyway lol. This podcast came out great, it helped me think and make sense of a lot about Spamton Sweepstakes (still wandering what happened to Spamton B)

[@mind_savagekat8387]

I'd like to say, they said Spamton can't go into the basement, but he can. It's just that he can't put himself into the device while still being in the disk. But this also begs the question; How did he get the suit in snowgrave? Another person would have to help Spamton for him to get into the suit.

[@tloks8737]

1:45 the pink and yellow flashing cat sign in the City. that might be a little more important considering cat petterz

[@greatsaiyaguy8868]

I can't believe Noelle is a reference to the 1986 Slayer song "Angel of Death" from the album Reign in Blood

[@RPGtourguide]

38:45 You mentioned the idea of home movies. I think that would be an interesting option for the chapter 3 secret boss. If a darkner were created from memories of Kris’s childhood, that could make for some heart-wrenching scenes for them and possibly Toriel. I could definitely see those falling into the same “forgotten, unused” category that Jevil and Spamton did. Not sure how that would manifest into a character off the top of my head, but I like the concept.

[@characookie241]

Yes yes yes yes yes! This is one of my favorite ideas for the chapter 3 secret boss, and I haven't seen it anywhere as a whole character aside from my own creations.

[@nachosanchez3623]

Dark, Darker yet Darker as a signifyier of the concept of layering dark worlds inside dark worlds sounds very, very interesting. Given the current implications that dark worlds are metaphorical for fantasy worlds, and the quasi-obvious anti-escapist cautionary tale implications, and uuuuuh EVERYTHING about undertale fandom, the concept of creating Darkworlds inside Darkworlds (worlds of fantasy inside of worlds of fantasy, giving life and intention to the incidental inanimate objects that exist as secondary tools for the fantastical beings of a world that were actually already inanimate objects given life... while convoluted this must sound at the very least familiar to us) sounds inevitable and ripe for exploration, and the idea that gaster awaits us in (at the very least) a third layer of fiction resembles the hops and games inside games that were necessary to even know about him in his very first incarnation. This is extremely solid material it would surprise me if Toby didn't play with it at the very least a little bit. I think that dismissing too quickly the notion of the Pink and Yellow eyes transcending Spamton would be misguided. The Swatch glasses thing being a red herring sounds extremely Toby Fox. I don't think it's weird that people link Gaster into "all theories" because it seems almost explicit that Deltarune as a game is a Gaster experiment to connect a "player" with Kris through the soul, which would mean he is extremely present in our story. "The Angel" is quite probably a role, probably the level of power that Asriel achieved in the pacifist route, but it probably requires the player to channel their will into a particular storyline. I don't think Noelle is literally The Angel, but more likely a strong candidate for the role (one of the main ones probably) and the fact that she is particularly susceptible to player manipulation would support neatly this theory.

[@RosieTheRo]

ngl "the bite of '97" made me laugh way too hard lmao

[@rachelwilson9261]

28:59 NOOOO THEY FOOTLOOSED DESS

[@weegiblook7953]

40:06 toriel's sock drawer is the secret boss of ch 3. change my mind.

[@TheFlyfly]

_I finally got the wildfire in my sock drawer under control!_

[@ThePopsSystem]

About the chair, I have seen someone saying it's the shadow mantel on it? And the eyes (image_friend) might be Mike or whoever was friends with Spamton? It's the "friends" option in Spamton's shop where he talks about Mike iirc. About the Gaster (in fanon) being forgotten and Dess not being talked much, it draws my attention and bothers me because of the whole theme of deltarune's "Don't forget." Wonder how this would end up. Also about the drawing Alvin drew not showing up in the Dark World? This is my interpretation: What's the most top right room and also the final room you see in the chapter 1 Dark World? The Dark fountain. Alvin works for the church. The background music for the fountain is called "THE HOLY".

[@krisspychissp]

35:08 everything else aside for a sec imagine how terrifying being trapped in an endless black void is and then hearing suddenly scratching. That would be so horrifying

[@questionmarkquestionmarkques]

hope you guys come back after ch3+4. i really loved this and have seen it multiple times despite normally disliking podcasts

[@ffringle]

I have a crack theory that definitely might not be true as we get more info, but as of now this theory makes the most amount sense to me: I think that the chair and coat is sort of a teaser for the next secret boss, which could be Mike since it’s hinted that he may play a major role in the next chapter. It’s shown that Mike and spamton used to be friends, right? And that all the secret bosses are shown to have a connection to Gaster? The “what if we can get darker than dark” line on the website with the chair may be Mike revealing to spamton (because of the yellow and pink eyes at the end) some critical information that gaster told him? Maybe the creepy smile in the basement was actually Mike’s face, and when spamton and Mike separated, he began wearing pink and yellow glasses to pay tribute to him? Again, we don’t have a lot of information but I just wanted to put this out there as a sort of explanation

[@mayhemical]

another thing im not sure if you know the smile is in is, early on in the berdly fight it was gonna have barricades randomly appear to stop u from hitting him but they normally just had Q for queen on them but there was a 1 in 200 chance for it to change to having that smile on it too

[@RainbowJester]

so far have watched 1-5 and these are all amazing! Im so glad all of my fav deltarune / undertale theorists came together to talk about this!

[@Gooberpotomous]

I think the cabinet in the classroom is the card castle and Susie* and Kris falling is them shrinking in size(?)

[@Grim-c8n]

HAHAHAHAHA, BLOOD BLOOD! BLOOD BLOOD!!!! I SHALL LEAVE A COMMENT ON ALL PARTS, SPREADING MY CHAOS ACROSS THE DELTACAST! So I strongly believe monsters in Deltarune don't bleed due to one line of dialogue in Chapter 1. If you knock on the doors near the alley, a monster child seems to be on the other side of one of the doors. They talk to Kris about how they heard that Kris is the only human in town and then they ask Kris if it hurts to be made of blood. This strongly connects Kris being human to being made of blood, however I suppose it's possible that only a few types of monsters bleed which is a way that some monsters could bleed while Kris's bleeding could still be seen as rare, but that just kinda seems like a stretch to me. The simpler answer tends to be the more believable to me so I'll stick with only humans in Deltarune bleeding for now. (Which is ironic considering I'm a big supporter of the Sans Undertale being from Deltarune theory and Sans bleeding tends to be used as evidence of that, but honestly idrk)

[@Barakon]

Maybe it has to do with perseverance & justice? All of them seek justice for how they were wronged, all seek freedom. Jevil is Justice & patience.

[@ZannyAisling]

The idea that doors can stop a dark fountain makes me hope kris ran around after chapter 2 ends stabbing the floor of every room in their house...

[@skyrimlover777]

I wish Andrew was a bit more open to theories that pick up on the Christian themings that are very much present in the game. I get it would just open more questions and complications and or doesn't answer anything, but it's still worth acknowledging to some degree.

[@OCTAMAN]

Yeah I noticed that too. He seemed very defensive and visibly got the others uncomfortable from how hard he shut the theories down. Like clearly Christian symbolism is playing a role. Not as a focal point, but as themes. And themes can help us give us an idea of interpretation or expect what’s to come. Completely shutting those ideas down like that was just strange. Shoutout to Bread though, Bread was not having it lmao

[@EliasPluto]

That’s true but I think in most of the other times shut things down it was pretty reasonable We only have 2 chapters and we shouldn’t jump to big crazy conclusions It’s like trying to guess the full puzzle when we only have a 3rd of the puzzle pieces I think his role in the group is sorta reeling things in to consider the full picture lol And the Christian stuff might be personal and we didn’t know if the others were really feeling uncomfortable with it His whole thing is sorta setting out facts for the rest if the community, making some theories and ideas more approachable and summarising wider ideas in the fandom lol

[@lassoedthesos5529]

What if Asgore losing his spot as chief of police is a direct consequence of failing to find a missing Dess, the vindictive mayor of the city having that power in-hand

[@EliasPluto]

I love rtvs sp much and Jara not liking the stream is so hilarious to me I live the whole thing so much, it’s a mix if rtvs’s absurd irl shit, Toby’s humour and spamtons “off” and weird feel I love it

[@charbomber110]

I never got why people talked about the smile thing in the basement too much. I've always assumed and probably always will assume that it's not *physically* Spamton or anyone being there but just a weird thing to creep people out if they notice it.

[@Sleeper_6875]

Loved this all sm, excited to see what develops in future chapters. Great job to everyone for resolving the tension that arose for a bit there, and it’ll be fascinating to see how big the lore drop of multiple chapters will be

[@ChezburgerGuy]

My groundbreaking theory: Deltarune is Undertale Alphys’s fanfic

[@wolfkitty42]

Yeah, but it doesn’t star her and Undyne in a domestic life.

[@czech_ring]

@@wolfkitty42 that comes in later chapters

[@ironlass5652]

This series was awesome, I really loved it!! :D Was great seeing so many talented people, including three of my favorite deltarune theorists interact and talk about the sweepstakes event! Will you guys do more content and podcast episodes together, or was this a one time thing?

[@OddyOddity-ob2uv]

About the yellow and link colours... There's a group of line stickers featuring a weird clown. It's been referenced by jevil a lot (Metamorphosis, I Can Do Anything etc.) And there's one sticker where the clown is holding two balloons. Yellow and pink. I don't think it's very lore relevant, but it IS weird.

[@KyleGK01]

I fell asleep watching this video and now I have to watch it again

[@CheesyLizzy]

23:54 People also think Gaster was forgotten because of how the game reboots if you try to name yourself after him. I personally like this headcanon but acknowledge that it is still only a headcanon

[@newtondood]

Why is no one talking about the fact that spamton's yellow and pink glasses are the exact same colors as the names in undertale can be when you can spare them? Normally they are yellow, but the froggit in the ruins can change them to pink.

[@Dorked]

I'm aware of the pink names- I just never play with them, so it didn't personally cross my mind to bring it up as I'm just not accustomed to the specific shade of pink. In hindsight, it makes sense, tho.

[@newtondood]

@@Dorked I just wonder what significance it could have in relation to spamton and his glasses rapidly switching the two... It's a long shot that it'll even be relevant or even brought up, but here's to hoping!

[@sagacious03]

Excited to watch this big analysis video! Thanks so much for uploading! Might comment more later!

[@mmgmagic]

Something interesting to note about the wristwatch is that it also links Noelle through a different way as well. When talking to Noelle at the hospital after Snowgrave, the player has the choice to give her back her wristwatch and thus prove that it wasn't a dream. Just some food for thought.

[@omegahaxors9-11]

Just now noticing that smiling face would fit Gaster's face. Compare that to the mystery man sprite. Also noticing that the eyeballs also look like mystery man's hands as well. Maybe MM is upside-down Gaster. EDIT: And the left side of the left eye being dented slightly seems to follow the MM's face as well.

[@godbroccoli11]

Why does my brain keep translating “MM” as “Mommy Milkers”

[@TulipsinAntartica]

17:50 blood is produced in the bone marrow

[@sahilhossain8204]

Ah yes Deltarune post-spamton sweepstakes momentum 100

[@TheFlyfly]

love the technical difficulties screen

[@dreamer4842]

16:41 No monster has blood, they are all made out of dust or magic or something. in chapter one(?) there was even an npc that that asked Kris "does it hurt to be made out of blood?". the only exception is Sans but he's a wildcard anyway. edit: never mind it was already mentioned

[@wiliyy]

about the eyes, how curious that the most difficult characters in each chapter and undertale have yellow eyes. sans yellow and blue, spamton yellow and pink, jevil yellow and yellow xd maybe it's a pattern, maybe not

[@Xesh]

Rang the bell, can't wait to see more from ya

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

Is that Pink a default of MS Paint? It doesn't seem to match as I recall but I could be wrong.

[@D_YellowMadness]

I think the second dark world is based on the desires & feelings of Noelle & Berdly because they entered it first. I think the only times that world reflects Kris, Susie, & Ralsei are when it's caused by their internet history or their actions after entering that world. Which raises a question: Why is there a puzzle that contains the same "word" that was in Sans' word search & why is there a chance of hearing Sans' voice in the puzzle room? Has Sans been there? Or more likely, Papyrus? Did Papyrus make the second dark world? Was he the "hypothetical" large person hiding in the closet? Is he the knight like people have been saying? "That's my closet. There are no skeletons in there. Except me sometimes." It would explain why it's full of red cars & why both dark worlds have deadly puzzles. The first dark world even had puzzles with button panels, spikes, & teamwork. Papyrus loves puzzles, button panels, spikes, & the power of friendship. It's also implied that Rouxls didn't design those puzzles because he's the one who vandalized the sign explaining explaining one of them. Who likes explaining puzzles & making signs? Lanc- I mean Papyrus.

[@professoryeetus8955]

42:26 he said it! he said the thing!

[@jonhybgoodsc3926]

I don't know if you see this but my theory of why Ralsei is able to follow you is because Kris wears a hearth shaped neckless like how Chara and Asriel did in UnderTale

[@matti.8465]

Monster Town seems like the type of perfect religious small town where nothing ever goes wrong...and when something tragic happens, everyone acts like nothing is wrong. That's my view on the Dess situation. To be honest I still don't trust Father Alvin and the monster church. I think there's something very dark underneath the town's cheery exterior.

[@freyaschenberg1225]

just typing this down as a bypassing theory from things yall discussed in this, but if we assume that all dark worlds exist simultaneously with the concept of the spsce between them being the dark/the code/along those lines, and gaster has some sort of influence over it, and if we also roll with the theory that asriel and dess knew about dark worlds and fountains and even explored them when kris and noelle were younger, then what's to say dess didn't disappear during one of their adventures? maybe she "got lost in the code" as we've phrased it, and that's part of why noelle is so obsessed with glitches and video game easter eggs, because that's what she thinks her sister disappeared because of? if gaster is the one "controlling"/"seeing" between the worlds, then that could be why the people he has influence over (assuming he has influence over spamton and jevil), more exactly spamton, also know of dess's existence and taunts noelle with it? and even continuing, maybe that's why asriel left hometown to attend college, because he felt like he couldn't stay this close to where (presumably) his best friend disappeared? tldr: this obviously needs more fleshing out but i definitely think it's a possibility that dess disappeared when adventuring in dark worlds with asriel, and now is trapped in the code/between dark worlds with gaster (and the ones he has influence over) being aware of her existence?

[@johanstenfelt1206]

The Basement Face made me think of the Cheshire Cat.

[@zeo4481]

3:30 ... Ralsey has pink eyes we ONLY ever see when Susie toys whit his glasses after we leave Queens basement for the first time ever. Edit: not particularly relevant but if Toby was making that connection between characters whit Pink and/or Yellow eyes that'd be wild. Also Sans' eye is sometimes yellow during his attacks and/or when we are trying to escape his ,, special attack" too early.

[@lassoedthesos5529]

As dumb and obvious as it sounds, the fact that we can take Susie with us to the dark worlds could be incredibly important. Combine that with the fact that several bits were added in to show both that the dark worlds existed previously as well as some implications that we, or someone has been to them before, and the last, final question to add to the mixture "what happens when you create a dark fountain within a dark world. Mixing all 3 of these could be the basis of a theory where Dess, hanging with Asriel, and us, and maybe Noelle as well, went into the dark worlds, tried to make a fountain inside, and lost Dess as a result, though as far as I know, the only evidence for the dark worlds existing before is darkners relationships with each other, and the only evidence of us having gone to one before is the Kris save file, and other then that, it's a lot of conjecture, but I think it's an interesting concept, considering we don't know what Kris knows, and that fact will likely be used against us later

[@pteroid11]

Oh my god the everymen are a hivemind!

[@Moonsick.Morgan]

You also find the grey door in waterfall, which is where ocean.ogg plays.

[@Dorked]

I'm pretty sure ocean.ogg is different from mus_water.ogg, which is the sound that plays in certain parts of Waterfall (e.g. the riverboat).

[@Moonsick.Morgan]

@@Dorked Ah, you're right. My bad

[@funkyvansh]

Both jevil and spamton have jaundice

[@sagacious03]

1:11 Swatch has dialogue at least implying Spamton impersonated him: "Ah, my outfit. Yes, the monochrome look is quite suitable, isn't it? Black suit, colored glasses. Many people have failed to imitate this look. Some even going so far as to attempt to impersonate me... In order to get the... Oh, nevermind. Macaron?" 16:02 I just realized there's been kind of a debate over "Do Monsters have blood" because of that kid in the window who asks if humans are made of it, but Susie says everybody bleeds & has an unused bleeding animation. Are we sure this "Have or don't" thing about blood could be addressed to monsters, or is it Spamton fishing for a Human/Lightner with a [HEART-SHAPED OBJECT](A SOUL)? Is this an admission that monsters have blood, or a ploy by Spamton? 16:22 "Didn't get ported over"? 19:59 What if the tattered wings aren't the angel's? As in, Noelle is the angel, & Susie is the tattered wings. "Being someone's wings" can mean supporting them, & Susie is pretty rough, but she still has a romance element with Noelle. 21:10 Lol, HalfBreadChaos. 22:33 Was any dialogue skipped during the "technical difficulties"? 22:58 That is suspicious, even outside of Kris & Noelle's family, who would know her, & Kris's classmates, who Dess is out of the age range of.... Well, maybe Asgore doesn't mentioned her because of failing as a police on a missing child/person case, & the cafe folks talk to Kris because they're there. Burgerpants talks about Asriel, but I'm unsure he'd be friends with Dess. 27:25 But we can assume Kris remembers Dess, despite not mentioning her, for obvious reasons, right? Kris, Noelle, Asriel & Dess hung out before, & there's nothing suggesting Kris doesn't know/remember who Dess is when someone mentions her. There's no Noelle asking Kris "What do you mean, 'Who's Dess?', Kris?" or something. Though, there is the "Dess" line of conversation of Rudy that could imply unfamiliarity, but I'd bet there could just as easily be for player convenience, or to imply whoever's controlling Kris may want that information, be it out of unfamiliarity, or other info. Right? 30:45 Explain, please?! 32:32 Maybe it could be only those close to her, like her family, are close to her? It's flimsy, but I think that it's a possibility, since a lot of fiction puts value on emotional bonds. 33:06 Lol. 34:20 IIRC, Japanese is a language which can often function with no pronouns, especially informally. 35:25 Lol. 39:21 Lol. 39:55 That'd be interesting. 40:35 Lol, a good point here. 41:03 Interesting concept. 41:45 I know they fell into the Castle Town Dark World, but what about the Cyber World Dark World? 42:04 Oh yeah. Say, what's the outro music? Anyway, thanks for this great analysis video! I appreciate the chapters, & I love seeing all of you come together, & I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of this brainstorming. Although, considering all the talk of houses & Noelle & such, I'm surprised no one brought up anything about the shadow the Wet-Nosed Bandits encountered? I guess it hasn't been given much development, so people don't think it's much. Anyway, subscribed! Onto the next part!

[@ibraheemnaseem6390]

Its Berdly (rejected) from chapter 2's soundtrack.

[@Dorked]

I always figured it was just the mayor, but HBC had a video about it possibly being Ice-E that was pretty fun.

[@sagacious03]

@@Dorked Thanks a ton for answering! You mean the shadow the Wet-Nosed Bandits encountered being Ice-E? I mean, I remember that theory fondly, but I'm not sure how much it was serious about, let alone if it was for speculating Ice-E was on the Holiday property.

[@asdfsadfasdfasdfasdf4180]

6:58 actually i thought it would be fun if yknow how poeple make the microphone have that face what if tenna was recording the basement for some god knows what reason

[@noahnaugler7611]

You mean to tell me Toby Fox is taking notes from Scott Cawthon about sprite and text colours?

[@EliasPluto]

I doubt it but that thought is hilarious