Undertale's FORGOTTEN Ancestor - Moon Remix RPG Adventure

[@Dorked]

This game is severely underrated, so I hope you enjoyed this first impressions video! I may have more to say about Moon in the future, especially in the larger video I have planned on metanarratives. If you wanna see more thorough breakdowns on cool gaming stuff, such as leitmotifs in various games, I have a playlist here: kzbin.info/aero/PLVzdARAAbX5FxPBAKFL83C_F88pbqNmOW I also recently put out a video on the Deltarune summer newsletter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJbEXoOcaNmpa80 While I am looking to branch out into other games, I plan to do so while balancing the UTDR videos, too! You can stay updated on my Patreon at patreon.com/dorked I'm also getting my Paper Mario VODs ready for the VODs channel, and I may put up Part 1 later today or tomorrow, perhaps.

[@noobfart]

are you a channie

[@aerth6946]

Thank you for bringing attention to moon! One cool thing is, most of the team behind this gem banded together as an indie studio! So now we can show support and buy their stuff!

[@4notherguy]

What game did the studio make ?

[@Dorked]

Yeah, it's really awesome to see the studio still hard at work on other games! I heard that another game of theirs is going to be localized in the future, and that's super awesome.

[@kilicool64]

Calling them most of the team might be taking things a bit too far. The three most important people behind this game were Kenichi Nishi, Taro Kudo and Yoshiro Kimura. Out of those three, only Kimura is working for Onion Games. Some other developers are also employed there, but Onion Games is just one of several Love-de-Lic successors, even if several other successor companies have since died.

[@Dorked]

@@kilicool64 I was actually watching a Thor in High Heels video and it sounds like Love de Lic's creatives split into multiple smaller teams, some of whom also produced games for Nintendo? So that's really interesting.

[@kilicool64]

@@Dorked Yeah, Nishi was a founding member of skip and was one of the directors of the first Chibi-Robo. Before that, he also directed Giftpia, a Japan-only game Nintendo published. But skip shut down a while ago. Meanwhile Kudo was a founding member of Vanpool, who made the Tingle DS games and acted as a supporting company for other Nintendo-published games before recently shutting down itself.

[@GoshiWorld]

I want to mention another game that I have played pretty recently called Bad End Theater The story of the game is that you're a patron at the aforementioned Bad End Theater and you're watching the performance on the stage It isn't an RPG it's actually a visual novel, but the world follows RPG logic. One of the characters in the maiden is supposed to be kidnapped, and the "evil" Overlord isn't actually evil and actually instructs her minions to avoid the humans The game is very interesting and I really do not want to spoil that you should just play it for yourself

[@Dorked]

Ooh, never heard of that one, but thanks for bringing it to my attention. It sounds intriguing. o:

[@GoshiWorld]

​@@DorkedI'm glad it does I feel like I could probably make a very interesting video

[@Wilker_uwu]

i loved Bad End theater when i watched it :3 i still wanna play In Stars And Time someday tho

[@rudithedudi1757]

Really cool to learn about Moon and how it inspired Toby's work, I didn't realise it was such a massive influence that it even references Love and the danger of "experience" as key aspects of the game. The fakeout opening sequence also reminded me of Deltarune, since that also opens with another protagonist ("Hero"/the custom goner character) and a completely different setup, until the real player character (the kid/Kris) is revealed through their mother talking to them in their room (where in Moon the kid goes to bed, in Deltarune Kris gets out of bed!)

[@theepic1944]

Moon was ahead of it's time, the game is like the boys if it was a fairy tale rpg.

[@Dorked]

Yeah, even if I've only played a little bit so far, I'm already blown away by how poignant it was, ESPECIALLY in the context of when it released. The PS1 really was RPG central, so to have a game like this on the console is so bold and interesting.

[@dac6400]

omg yes!!!!! moon video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i literally finished the game for the first time yesterday and scoured the internet for content related to it and now this comes out!!

[@Dorked]

Awesome! :D I definitely gotta play more. I'm still super early in the game, but once I have finished it, I'm sure I'll have a lot more to say. It's already got a strong hook. c:

[@dac6400]

@@Dorked just finished the video, i totally agree about the gameplay loop tying together so nicely! hope you enjoy your time with the rest of the game. be sure to use a guide if you need it, moon can get really cryptic and confusing sometimes with what you have to do to progress. i'll definitively try to tune in to your streams of the game if i can!

[@Dorked]

@@dac6400 Yeah, I found a steam guide that has spoiler tags, so I may consult that when I stream it again. It might lead to a bit less floundering about. xD

[@dac6400]

​@@Dorked lol yeah thats the same guide i used too

[@peenywallie]

What looks to be a spiritual successor to Moon, "Stray Children" was announced in the recent Japanese Nintendo Direct. Spread the word.

[@Dorked]

Oh yeah, I heard about that! It's great to hear it'll be getting localized, too. c:

[@DragonitaPurple]

Seeing games treat creatures, especially dragons, as nothing but obstacles to slay always bothered me even as a kid. I had no idea of this game's existence, it's such a breath of fresh air and i'm definitely going to be following your streams/vods playing it! =D

[@Dorked]

I hope to get back to it soon! The Persona 3 DLC just dropped and I wanna get through that as soon as I can to avoid spoilers. Then it's back to wholesome Moon times.

[@katiesquid]

I finished moon recently and the ending really stuck with me. Can't wait to see what you have to say about it!!

[@Dorked]

I might know vague spoilers about the end, but it's been so long, and I'm excited to see the full context. If I can find the time, I'll try to stream again this week, methinks.

[@Yuti640]

It'll be really fun to hear you talk more about this game in a future video, this game looks so cool!

[@Dorked]

It's such a neat experience. Definitely takes some getting used to, and playing without a guide is tricky, but it definitely has a lot going for it.

[@JackitK]

As someone who's witness this game 100%, I full heartedly agree with Moon being underrated. The developers have a thing for less conventical games with a lot of charm. You definitely see the inspirations Toby Fox took from this game from the moment you begin. I'd love to hear your opinions once you get further into the game because there's a lot of twists and turns and charming characters I think you'll enjoy if you're already enjoying the game, despite some gameplay mechanics that feel a little dated to some. Oddly enough, I first saw Chulip first, a game that shares a lot of hands with Moon. So seeing that before Moon was certainly an experience. If you watch a playthrough of it, you can really see the Moon inspirations throughout that game as well. Even if its more focused on the gameplay loop Moon provides rather than the meta narrative. Only other game in their library I'm immediately familiar with is "mon amour". There's nowhere as much to it as Moon or Chulip, but I think it works to the games favor. As it can stand on its own as a charming weird little game that would make flappy bird proud. It's also typically 9 dollars [US] so its a cheap way to get a taste of what the devs at Onion Games are like.

[@Dorked]

It's definitely a game I'd love to revisit at a later date in other videos. I can already tell that I've just barely scratched the surface with Moon and there's still a ton to explore. Still, even if I floundered around a lot in the playthrough so far, it's been a rewarding experience.

[@Plasma885]

I knew about this game and saw a bit of gameplay and shifting the hero perspective but i did not know how good it was, thank you

[@TheIndigoShine]

What a beautiful interesting video game there. An adventure of kindness and saving. Transforming simple RPG elements and giving them another perspective, a quite dark perspective. But you are given the light to make things better in the world. There are quite a lot of crazy things RPG make you do. Like honestly some of FFIV you kinda kill lots of very sentient creatures and animals, like Goblins, Sorcerers, or a giant worm minding its own business. (It's just sad that their business opposes yours, so they all have to be slain. (Like a giant worm... It just want to eat, a goblin is too small to protect themselves so they need a knife and need to find people to take advantage of, a sorcerer might be cursed by their own powerful magic that governs their mind...) Everyone finds their way to live in a chaotic world. But do they deserve death?

[@supercoolest-handsomeboi420]

Ey yooooo This game is seriously underrated!!!!!!!!!! it deserves a level of recognition on par with Earthbound~!!!!!!!!

[@GL_099]

Oh YES! I know about this game because it's original creator went on to make Little King's Story, my favorite game on the Wii. It really captures that surreal aesthetic they both have. I can totally see how Undertale got its inspiration from it. I'd been meaning to check it out since it got a switch port, too. Glad to see it get more attention once more. That and Little King's Story. Do not sleep on that.

[@Dorked]

I've actually not heard of that one, so thanks for bringing it up! Perhaps I'll look into it sometime.

[@Александр-ц5с8у]

Wait, holy shit! This is a game from devs of dandy dungeon, i played that game to death on my phone and laterbon steam It is really interesting to see their earlier work, from perspective of someone who played dandy dungeon and is now hearing about moon, devs are really big fans of rpg's, though who isn't?

[@arcaneScribbler]

Moon is a _fascinating_ game. Its time and schedule mechanics, the contrast between clay 'monsters' and the rest of the world's denizens, the theme of 'real' and 'fake'... the ending sticks with me.

[@Dorked]

I'm excited to experience more! I know a little about the late game, but a lot is gonna be a big surprise to me.

[@groetaer]

this is funny cause i recently read about it being one of it's inspirations

[@Dorked]

Yeah, it's something you can find if you do some digging, but it's not one of the big ones people talk about, e.g. Earthbound and OFF.

[@scootie_scoot]

MOON !!!!!! YAYYYY!!!! Tobys praise of moon got me to play it, GOD it’s good.

[@scootie_scoot]

I will say, in conjunction with its translation and port to switch, which was also inspired by toby. Everyone go play moon!!!

[@Dorked]

Love to spread the love for this overlooked gem. :) It's such a neat experience.

[@nicblueberry6360]

This was great! I always listen to the patreon release and then the KZbin release when it comes out, hopefully it helps with the algorithm. 😊❤

[@Dorked]

Oh, thank you! c: I'm sure it'll help, and I also appreciate the support via patreon.

[@Rodowain]

I'd heard a bit about this game before, but seeing all this has now made me really interested in checking it out! Great video as always!

[@Dorked]

Eyy, thanks! c: I hope you enjoy it, if you do end up giving it a try. It definitely takes some adjusting, and a guide might not hurt, but it's such a carefully crafted experience.

[@authorbat5562]

I’ve only just heard of this! Looks like my kind of game!

[@Dorked]

It's totally worth checking out! Generally it's pretty cheap, too. I think it usually goes for 15 bucks on sale, and 18 otherwise.

[@KipperTheNinja]

Everyone knows Earthbound but no one remembers that Moon: Remix RPG Adventure was just as impactful as Earthbound when it came to Undertale

[@khersy]

I’m not that good at writing, but the writing on your script here is really good

[@MHF013]

Undertale is my favorite YIIK-like game.

[@vashtijoy]

M O O N, that spells Moon RPG Remix Adventure. 👍

[@Wilker_uwu]

i feel like Moon also had some influence in Petscop, the "Caught!" text feels very similar, but idk much about petscop besides reminding me of the game Zephyr Star

[@Dorked]

Yeah, I think that's entirely possible! I've seen a few others compare the two.

[@mudkipmatt3793]

Honestly watching the gameplay footage I felt like I was watching another petscop video essay XD

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of Undertale's FORGOTTEN Ancestor - Moon Remix RPG Adventure momentum 100

[@jonathanhowells7864]

Have you heard of Frozen Heart? It's a fan made Snowgrave Noelle fight (primarily playing as Susie) and it feels pretty in character

[@Dorked]

Admittedly, I haven't kept up with a lot of UTDR fangames recently, so there's probably a lot I haven't seen.

[@kaialone]

Anyone who really likes Undertale has to play Moon (or not idk, its your choice)

[@avandorhu-3389]

I do have to wonder if the hero we start as in the intro of the game is what inspired the concept of "the knight" in Deltarune. If that's the case, I also wonder if it could inform us about what the Deltarune knight will be like. Maybe they'll be a flowey like being, but instead they see themselves as the "good guy?"

[@taiasoncole8148]

What a great video. I'll definitely add this game to the list.

[@PuddleOfCats]

On the Topic of other games that use metanarrative, Jazztronauts is a gmod addon that plays like its own game While most of the metanarrative is on the surface, as you hop between workshop addons, I still would say it counts in my eyes

[@groetaer]

good job on changing the pfp dorked

[@gabrote42]

I'd love to watch the vods in the vod channel ^^

[@clxix172]

Really gonna need to check out this game at some point! This sounds amazing!

[@Dorked]

Hope you enjoy it if you do end up playing! c: It takes some getting used to, but I found it a worthwhile experience.

[@aleksandramirkov9725]

Amazing video, i think I will play this game

[@Dorked]

Nice! :) I hope you'll enjoy it.

[@Keitoded]

I've never heard of this game, sounds pretty interesting!

[@wmdsyuze1387]

Its always nice to see more people talking about moon! Once you finish the game, might you be interested in seeing the old scrapped ending? I think you would find it interesting as it is very different from the final ending. And despite that, it still seems to have parallels to Undertale.

[@wmdsyuze1387]

Scrapped ending kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXSxf4uBqbFjZ8Usi=2z1cBnDrUim4M-7S

[@Dorked]

Ooh, that does sound interesting! I'll have to check it out when I have the time.

[@PlushPilla]

@@Dorked Coming back here because it's very nice video. About the "scrapped ending", there are two videos in the Onion Games KZbin channel (You have to turn on subtitles) where the creator explains the original story of the game and why it was cut due to a rework of it (Beware of the spoilers). I think the ending we got is much better fitting to the message that the game tells and tests if you learned it.

[@jonathanhowells7864]

Any idea when you will do your first Undertale Yellow video because I would love to hear your opinions

[@Dorked]

I do have thoughts on UTY. I'm just not sure when I'll actually sit down to talk about it. I really should see about getting those VODs up on my other channel, though.

[@Your_dear_friend9999]

Moon's protagonist look so close to Madjick from Undertale. My it be reference? (considering that in unused sprites in the files also has levitating gloves)

[@Dorked]

You know, it's possible Madjick was inspired by a mix of this design and maybe the Final Fantasy black mages. :O

[@ruskah0307]

"undertale's forgotten anscestor" and yet i aint even seen anyone talk abt brandish, almost ever

[@IvoryMadness.]

I didn't knew about that game!

[@Dorked]

A lot of people don't, so I'm happy to spread the word. c:

[@chrisonewiththesalt]

Petscop-aah caught-text.

[@commenteroftruth9790]

okay so I guess I should play it

[@cack1e]

this is really cool. the game sort of reminds me of chulip. i wonder if chulip couldve been inspired by moon too? edit: the director of chulip is a former employee of the company that made moon & worked on the game!! that probably explains the similarities

[@CatSlapps]

Hey dorked Your video are great But can you do analysis on the undertale location book .It have so much undertale lore on there,and it canon by Toby.

[@PlushPilla]

What's your favorite MoonDisc? Mine is Emotion 2.

[@Dorked]

I really gotta sit down and listen to them properly, haha. I didn't get especially far, so there's a ton to uncover, but this game has such lovely music. A lot of it's genuinely so relaxing.

[@Susiezilla]

Will you post the moon stream on your stream vod account? 👉👈

[@Dorked]

Planning to! I just am kinda debating if I wanna edit out the parts where I had to start over to just post the whole thing as is, tbh.

[@Crypticyokai]

I know its a game thats been talked about more than this game but you should talk about the mother series ESPECIALLY the original mother 1 which doesn't get enough love unlike earthbound

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Huh, what a fascinating Game, i hope it gets more recognized. Do you know of Bunny Graveyard by the way?

[@Dorked]

o: I actually have not heard of that before.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

@@Dorked oh, then I recommend it, The Game has only One Chapter still, but it’s still worth checking out.

[@kaleeshsynth9994]

Toby fox probably learned Japanese to play games like these

[@Ra-ss5pn]

I'm putting a comment to support the video, I'm not watching because I didn't play the game yet and I don't want to get any spoilers.

[@romanrepublic1356]

Comment for the algorithm

[@Dorked]

Eyy, thank ye. c:

[@WillVill111]

👍

[@noze503]

2:44 What Dragon Quest game is this?

[@Dorked]

It's the DQ3 HD 2D remake! I think I just grabbed footage from one of the trailers for the B-roll there.

[@SoldadoCatolico]

This one of the cases where the OG is superior to the product that it inspired.

[@brastionskywarrior6951]

Yo why this have so few views in one day. I swear noone have taste

[@Ender0214]

Vid was posted 3 minutes ago, this is the earliest i ever been to a video. Couldnt be for a better person:)

[@Dorked]

Aww, thanks so much! c: Hope you enjoy the video.

[@RemyBujnoch]

omg so early

[@Dorked]

Welcome to the early crew. B)

[@brastionskywarrior6951]

Another game toby FRAUD stealed from!!!!! Look at what he stole from this undertale… hes a halloween hack

[@yotobist]

first

[@itsentdev]

actually I was earlier but I'm not annoying like you :P

[@yotobist]

​@@itsentdev On my screen I saw myself as being the first, and I couldn't resist the temptation to comment about it -w-

[@Mark-fc7tu]

So, it's an RPG that mocks people for unironically playing and enjoying RPGs?

[@Dorked]

A game deconstructing and unpacking RPG conventions doesn't mean it hates people for playing RPGs. It's just presenting a different perspective. The people who designed the game worked on some really beloved games like Super Mario RPG and Chrono Trigger.