The Deprogram Episode 16: hUmaN cApiTaL FLigHt

[@beanburrito7569]

It be really cool to see things get added to The backdrop over time maybe inside jokes of the podcast lol

[@bullymaguire1087]

A map of Wisconsin

[@tylerblue9691]

Im in full support!

[@onion599]

Dragon dildo behind a guitar.

[@mikey_gc8]

Black BMW with Black Rims outside please

[@itsukizy]

a cat with catnip next to yugopnik lol

[@deadcard13]

I love how, once there was a shortage of workers in the US, the anti immigrant crowd got significantly quieter.

[@samuelwilkin5]

I'm loving all the details in the image like the Parenti and Lenin books.

[@grishmak20713]

Cletus being Hakim's go to for an American name has sent me to a different plane of existence.

[@consensuslphisk]

As a Wisconsinite you have my permission to mock it whenever you want, not that you needed it. All your random examples of American being from Wisconsin is the funniest shit to me

[@michaelsweet6709]

What part of Wi, I’m from Milwaukee

[@Naheed_Ahmed14]

Mashallah daddy The Deprogram has uploaded.

[@not_doxing_myself]

the Arabic guy named bob reminded me of my own great grandfather who immigrated from Galicia and he mixed up his name at Ellis Island, so he has his last name as his first name and vice versa, and no one realized this until a friend of mine from Poland pointed it out

[@blutwurscht12]

Thank you daddy Yugopnik for the honorary Slav Status

[@LeZylox]

hahah

[@julians.2597]

we are truly blessed by the one true Slav

[@untraceablefgc-9mkii251]

I already listened all episodes on Spotify, i shall commet for the algorithm!

[@Ghdfshhs]

Algorithmic response

[@dualidea]

Algo

[@nabihaahmed1738]

Real nigga

[@bigjosh4951]

16:50 you say that employers don't have to guarantee immigrants pensions, but you don't even get a pension here if you're white. I totally get your point, I just find that funny

[@tylerblue9691]

I’m 21 and didn’t even know pensions existed until this year I thought they were only for soldiers in the revolutionary war

[@reversedragon3]

would love to see chapo or "breadtube" guests on so they actually have to face some perspectives they wouldn't usually consider like, debates are boring, but if they suddenly find themselves in the middle of casual conversation on a topic they'd usually run away from, that could be interesting

[@alvaromontes3314]

In Spain we lose a fuck ton of very trained profesionals to northern countries because of the lack of oportunities. Our country is rich yet we're beeing colonized by northern Europe, we're their fucking party spot and it's fucking humiliating

[@Frippa340]

same here in Italy :(

[@TheTriCkRoyal]

Esperemos que la cosa mejore

[@SatchelChannel]

@@Frippa340 Vero compagno... io stesso voglio andarmene in Germania come ingegnere di processo. Spero che il mio andarsene aiuti un futuro ingegnere nella lotta di classe

[@xabieraldeabehal3425]

Ojalá el capitalismo caiga pronto

[@brunoactis1104]

Mencionaría al genocida imperio español, pero pasó hace demasiado tiempo y soy latino con alto porcentage de adn español que se remonta a la colonización, así que en teoría estoy más directamente relacionado a los culpables que vos jaja.

[@XandarionSunrise]

An acquaintance of mine had a Ph.D. In Archaeology and a Master's in Education in Bulgaria, came to the states and works as a cashier in a hardware store. I also used to work in a doctor's office where two of our patients were a couple from Algeria. The wife used to be a professor of organic chemistry, and the husband used to be an accountant. Both of them were unable to transfer their professional credentials to the US and are working menial jobs for minimum wage. It's shit.

[@radiofreered]

32:39 “If you’re listening to this, you’re basically a fuckin’ Eastern European”

[@lulianjuliuswassbach]

echt jetzt xD

[@KekusMagnus]

1:01:45 yup, same problem here. Both of my parents were Phycisians trained in the eastern block and after moving to the west, they had to redo medschool in their 40s again. Truly a grueling experience

[@joshualamberth8966]

wow that is absolutely ridiculous

[@billdipperly6435]

had an ex name her kid braxtynne and I asked her why and she says "oh well I wanted something unique" I'm like, unique doesn't mean good

[@ta_.r0878]

I feel like it would be really cool if you could feature a guest in the art everytime you have a guest on the episode. No matter, I love this podcast comrades. Keep doing great!

[@juliancoenen4917]

The balloons thingy is a huge problem in the Netherlands, cuz it isn’t regulated like other drugs here.

[@CinCee-]

I was at a club in amsterdam where they were selling those balloons

[@Otzkar]

Isn't it kinda regulated by the fact that you can buy them for making whipped cream in almost every supermarket? Sure there's no age limit on it but it's still getting taxed and distributed through authorized sellers

[@beccagrantham5978]

We call them "Whip-its" in my part of the US. I've done it. It's fun, but I personally don't understand how anyone could get hooked on it, cause like Yugopnik said, it's literally like a 15 second buzz and in my opinion, it's not super intense. I did a bunch of them one time and got a pretty bad headache. I feel like they really could have bad effects on your health if you did it enough, I just don't know what the effects are

[@benjamins.10]

I'm loving the podcast, guys. Please upload more episodes to KZbin when you make them.

[@mastematt]

I think the analogy of some areas of the world being depopulated as people move to the global north also works with the rural parts of America. My own life kinda mirrors that, with growing up in a rural part of Florida, then joining the military to escape poverty, and eventually landing in Chicago, my human capital escaped the poverty trap of Florida, but at Florida's expense

[@thesunthatneversets4579]

This like the ML version of Chapo Trap House

[@franciscomagalhaes7457]

Can confirm, after the troika's intervention in Portugal after the 2008 crash, I believe it was in 2011 when we had around 150000 recently licensed medical professionals emigrating, mostly to the UK. It was the most severe bleed of highly skilled labor since fuck-if-I-remember during the dictatorship period.

[@Shinji_Dai]

Hearing Yugopnik describe whippits, it was big in the early 00s here in the states--at least at raves.

[@quarfg]

This is the last episode before I’m caught up! Can’t wait for more

[@UnrequitedFriday]

Hell yeah! Now I can play these on my TV while working!

[@UnrequitedFriday]

Also I love the background visual. I like imagining you guys living in an apartment together having misadventures of the common day proletariat

[@UnrequitedFriday]

"Hadji" was a derogatory term used due to an old stereotypical character in the Johnny Quest cartoon. I like the idea that it inadvertently ends up being a respectful term in the culture they try to use it as a slur in.

[@emanuelneagu14]

@@UnrequitedFriday the racist intention is still despicable

[@UnrequitedFriday]

@@emanuelneagu14 oh absolutely. I definitely wasn't meaning to seem to excuse it. It's used for disgusting reasons.

[@emanuelneagu14]

@@UnrequitedFriday of course, I didn't think you were. I only thought you genuinely think people don't know the term is meant to be offensive and it seems to everyone like if it was genuinely respectful. Them pronounciations being as far off as you could imagine, never even trying, that is always very disrespectful.

[@garyfookins9968]

Love this cast and their unique perspectives from around the world

[@Nooobus_]

Madhallah daddy The Deprogram has uploaded.

[@ComradeMishenko]

Hello from Idaho, at least Hakim acknowledged our existence. 25:16

[@vLunarTides]

New to the podcast and decided to watch from the beginning. Great conversation!

[@noname-bu1ux]

The Oum Kalthum poster behind Yugopnik ❤️❤️

[@colonel__klink7548]

To really clarify, outsourcing doesn't benefit the governments at all because corporations are incredibly slippery with taxes. They can redefine "profits" until they pay no tax. All the tax that they cannot avoid is centered around *labor.* So outsourcing as I mentioned in another comment is a way of a rich person draining the wealth from his community AND government AND the target of outsourcing. The labor isn't paid, so the market shrinks, the government isn't getting any taxes so it starts struggling with debt and makes cut backs so the market shrinks more and the only person in the situation improved is the rich guy who outsourced.

[@warbear3863]

I used to work for a smoke shop and it was 5 minutes to close one night. This lady pulls up fast as fuck and almost hit my car that had my gf and son in it, apparently she waved at them. The speed racer ran inside and asked for some nos carts and asked me if I did them, I told her no and she went “oh well, I guess it’s not for everyone. Festy life✌️😗”. I was stunned…

[@RedFlagRevival]

"Talk theory to me" lol

[@la7maga]

None of you have a cat?! And you call yourselves communists?!

[@rokdri9983]

Truly the absolute state, the deprogram deboonked

[@georgekostaras]

I remember Richard wolf covered this a bit. With the political will it’s very easy to nationalize companies

[@mikey_gc8]

Binged all your stuff on podcast, now it’s time to hit the YT views ✊

[@TheWorkingClassroom]

Interesting thought. Why can I type "jor" and the first result recommended to me is "Jordan Peterson" but I have to fully type "yugopnik," myself, and at no point does it attempt to recommend his 94k subscriber channel, I have to seek it out, yet right-wingers insist they're censored?

[@CraigKeidel]

Did you mean "yogurt"?

[@ΒασίληςΒλάχος-τ3κ]

50:48 this is something i never got, like it should be the other way around.If you are somehow able to remove the connotations we have attached to these words, and purely listen to the sounds, doesn't ''expat'' sound extremely rough, and it has ''exit'' in it, so you'd expect it to mean someone who was banished away from his country, and shamed. Is that just me? Probably...

[@ContourGlobe]

You guys are the best

[@liviszhang1652]

The boys have a point on people start using English names when they visit US for a period of time. I have seen this phenomenon especially in churches. My dad, while visiting me, was named "John" even though he was in the church only because he was curious about the place. That being said, for people who are not sold on the "American Dream" or "Western Ideals", introducing themselves with English names is just for connivence. It can be because a given name is not at all important in certain cultures and for some individuals, and they will only care about how other pronounce their surname, and they get tired of how people butchering their name. It can also be because that some languages are not phonetic, so some just don't give a fuck how others pronounce their lettered name since "others" couldn't understand their original name anyway. In my personal case, 1. I was tired of people butchering my name and calling me Molly - Elizabeth (don't ask me how that happened, cause Idk) 2. I was really weird out on I had to choose a feminine or masculine name in English. 3. So I made up a name that sounds English (so they could pronounce it), and I don't have to explain what my given name means (no one understands anyway).

[@jansecj9472]

man, I love this trio

[@shadeaquaticbreeder2914]

46:11 lol when people talk about how names in other languages like the native languages are common here for it but how you talked about one name meaning the protection of god and I always think at first that yeah those are cool but in English I feel it would be really weird for your name to be something like - price to be, warrior, god's protector- would sound really weird so what I am wondering is how do those names sound in the native languages? Do they sound like Sally and Brad or do they sound as crazy as they do in English??

[@billyhuang6648]

Speaking on the name changing aspect of immigrated labor: You literally get ostracized if you have a difficult-to- pronounce name, also less job opportunities, difficulty connecting with others etc. I get your point, it's kinda like submitting your identity to westernization, but also habibi, think about who made this hostile environment that's so intolerant of anything that it doesn't consider self in the first place.

[@plagueofcarcosa3796]

Came here from Soundcloud since this episode was missing. Luv 2 c my comrades having a nice backdrop for the video while we all combat liberalism

[@Blessed_V0id]

I struggle with addiction. I can be sober, and am only smoking tobbacco, weed and drinking alcohol. I totally agree with Yugopnik. The question is, is it resilience that has kept me on weaker substances, or being broke?

[@michaelsweet6709]

In one of these early episodes a book was brought up I believe by Hakim and it had Walmart in the title, does anyone remember the book mentioned

[@IronKnight2402]

The Peoples Republic of Walmart?

[@michaelsweet6709]

@@IronKnight2402 yes that it,I went back and listened again. I have it ordered and on the way. Thank you for responding.

[@Itharl]

I normally listen to this on my phone with earbuds but either the sound quality is worlds better on youtube (I highly doubt that) or I just discovered I need new earbuds.

[@nanashi420]

We have those nitrous cartridges in the US as well. We can buy them at smoke shops and they are used for homemade whipped cream in canisters, but you can huff them and they make you feel tingly and stupid for a bit, it reminds me of when you get too drunk in gta 5.

[@CinCee-]

Liquid mdma?? sounds great!

[@roylong2059]

As an Idahoan I volunteer our state for mockery. We deserve it.

[@shadeaquaticbreeder2914]

There are a lot of white construction workers here in Ohio still but you mainly see the Mexicans being used for certain things bc they will do it so much faster. And as far as I know in Cali for ex a lot are used in farming and nobody out there would stand in the sun all day bending over picking berries or whatever. Which also makes me wonder how it is in other parts of the country...

[@nearby222]

What's the reason for not being able to go to Taiwan? Why would they stop that?

[@Setharius]

Sounds like Yugo learned about nangs. Someone who isn't me suggests you dont do it with lsd

[@rolandshelley5165]

I dont get people around me that just dont care.

[@gokugomez1037]

I love y’all ♥️

[@billdipperly6435]

as a Hunter working in IT I take offense to this episode

[@dumpster-kun7132]

I feel called out with the moh comment from hakim. I go by a shortened version of Al-Houssein(this not how my full name is spelled) because people couldn’t pronounce my name here in the land of the free. I’ve always wrote my full name whenever my name is asked for at school though even if all my teachers call me by my shortened name. I also tell them my actual name before giving the shortened version if they can’t pronounce it. I’m not Arab by the way, lots of cultures steal from Arabic/Islamic names lol.

[@matt5726]

At this point there are 60 episodes and I'm playing catch up. I'm going to be so sad when I catch up then I'll have to wait weeks for the new ones. 1st world problems! :)

[@ivanoffw]

When I was given a briefing on travel to Kuwait, the term Hajji was used quite a bit, and my guess it was expressed as a slur. For context, I am a veteran of the U.S. military (2001-2004)

[@nichtanonym3393]

Thanks for the pas on the back. From Germany. The reason we don't do allot of war anymore is because our army is incompetent. For example our helicopters rust when they fly over water. It is mostly used to give millons to lobbyists.

[@CinCee-]

Hakim you better never come to NYC there are alot of "Mo's"

[@slashingrobin665]

N2O = whippets

[@TheMoistestNugget]

can americans apply for asylum in cuba? that’d be pretty funny to do

[@JustJanitor]

I had a root canal on my front tooth and they just used novacaine

[@anarchogarfieldist1652]

Is there a reason this one isn't up on SoundCloud? Is it like a KZbin Exclusive or is something fucked up on my end?

[@davgg9621]

Its on spotify and KZbin only, (Podcasts are free on Spotify even without subscription)

[@anarchogarfieldist1652]

@@davgg9621 thanks

[@liviszhang1652]

26:15 Well, if there is a Taiwanese listening to this podcast, I don't think they will be offended at all.

[@danascully5960]

Y'all never heard of "whippets," I guess. Good on you.

[@SaulRichter1917]

White construction worker here 👋 I make $70 an hour laying flooring.

[@UrbanArmada]

Must belong to a good union or have a very generous boss. Either way congrats.

[@Otzkar]

Nitrous oxide is a lot of fun but usually you don't hallucinate like jt said since it's usually consumed in lower doses.

[@AustinJosephTamargo]

They were selling nitros in balloons in 2015 in Chicago and other cities in the US when I followed this Phish tour don't judge me I'm not a hippie anymore

[@dl-zf9dj]

Luv u guyz ❤

[@Ash-so2sr]

I have a very specific question for Hakim, and the rest, Hakim had openly denied dialectics as simply a philosophical excuse or a simple hypothesis not based in the real material world. Hakim is an idealist as obviously he believes in an alternate reality from material world (heaven). My criticism is the following, dialectics as explained extensive in Engels anti during, and obviously Lenin etc... For a Marxist is a proven condition of matter in motion, as Engels Said "dialectics are abstracted from the processes of observing the natural world" so for example the tension of atoms where neutrons, protons, electrons, anti neutrons, anti protons etc... All take place in the building block of matter the atom crating a unity of opposites . So that is a very specific instance of one of the rules of dialectical materialism (unity of opposites) seen in nature as well as for example light behaving both as particle and wave . However hakim denies this. And hakim denies dialectics exist in the material world as on objective rule which goes against the dialectical materialism which is the scientific basis of Marxism. So please I would like you 3 could address this point specifically. Are 3 rules of dialectical materialism observed objectively in the material world? Yes or no? 1.unity of opposites 2. Quantative change leads to qualitative change 3. Negation of the negation For a Marxist dialectics are the driving process behind development, and these rules were observed as universal rules of matter in motion. To deny dialectical materialism as a true existing objective condition of the material world is to deny Marxism.

[@aquaaqua2755]

I am irredeemable 😢

[@georginaeliano206]

This topic about the refugees is true!!!!

[@Quarbit]

my brother's name is hunter lol. he's in med school though, not IT

[@Goat_gamering]

46:00 Oh boy can hungarian names get really fucking stupid with that. Szűcs (profession) into Szücs Hatvani (From the city of Hatvan) into Hatvany Szécsényi (From Szécsény) into Széchenyi

[@beccagrantham5978]

I love how when you turn on the captions, "fuck" is censored but "pussy" isn't 😂

[@beccagrantham5978]

Also I've been binging these episodes and every ad I get while watching these is for like "Turning Point USA" and "PragerU" and it's hilarious that the algorithm thinks that is what they should recommend for me, even everything I follow and watch is leftist content 😂

[@Wistalee.A.A.I]

Isn't the "kong" stands for communist in viet kong?

[@thomaspollack7451]

Brooo I wanna go do nitrous in clubs in Yugoslavia

[@emmasilver2332]

I thought the weird spelling of names was just a Utah thing

[@emmasilver2332]

For the overthrow of the Almighty Algorithm!

[@ceterfo]

I don't forget here in the United States the prairie n word shiii y'all didn't think we just have one did ya.

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

wtf is a prairie n word?

[@harvster997]

funny to hear about all the business people doing GBH considering the only other time Ive heard of people using it as at gay orgies lmao

[@colonel__klink7548]

When people argue for illegal "unskilled" immigration and list the reasons I always respond "but what will we do without da slaves!?" My father in law walked across the border because there literally wasn't enough food. He lived in a little shack with 15 men and little other than a full belly and a boss who would threaten ICE at the slightest complaint. He said "this is what I came here for?" Fortunately he's doing better now but his story illustrates they are brought in *to be slaves.* The problem with the deprogram guys here is they seem to think slavery is somehow beneficial to a country. That it's somehow highly productive and produces a thriving economy, the historical record is... it doesn't. Few are more accustomed to various forms of slavery than the US right? And you'd go "Aha! The us is so wealthy and powerful! It must be because of slavery!" No, no it is not. Why did the north win the civil war? Because the north's economic power was roughly ten to fifteen times the neo roman slave economy of the south simply put. Look at a map of the infrastructure density. The record in the US and the UK show that these slave owners don't invest in railroads or factories, things that they don't understand they simply buy more land and more slaves. They don't even care for what they have, burning through land and human beings as "part of the process", resulting in the need to drive westward, the trail of tears and the civil war over the Republican demand to contain slavery where it already existed. Because all the free men had to compete with slaves and there was no investment in anything other than slave labor the US south in the 1850s was described "as desolate as post Napoleon France." If you think about Marxism's perspective of the key contradiction in capitalist society this makes sense. Capitalists want to pay as little as possible, however if the general population has no money to spend then the market doesn't exist. So each year the south got poorer and poorer and the slave owners got increasingly heavy levels of debt, resentment against the north (that they were dragging down too) was rising before the Republican victory. There's even modern parallels. When the US decided to start exploiting east Asian slave labor (sorry but if the workers live in the factory complex and they keep nets up or bars up to prevent the workers from jumping to their deaths it's slave labor. Foxcon is not the only offender) the industrial heart of the US got gutted. If you overlay a map of opioid abuse with the rust belt it's almost an exact match. Further American capital is waking up to realize they actually... didn't benefit much from this arrangement especially as they lost fortunes in 2008 when this destructive process caused it's first explosion. When the deprogram guys try to claim "the western wellfare states are paid for by that exploitation" I always laugh because *no, no they are not.* In every case, from India's exploitation under the British Emprie, to the US exploiting Chinese and Central American slaves it has resulted in a small cadre of people draining wealth from both societies for their personal benefit making everyone but them poorer. it's a nice narrative that US imperialism benefits it but it doesn't, it benefits a few rich people and no one else.

[@readmarx420]

Going to have to disagree jt. As a young white boy in South Carolina my mom was a construction worker.. in fact about half the people that I know that are in construction are white about a quarter of them are Mexicans the rest are black

[@CraigKeidel]

Yeah I think it depends on your local demographics.

[@thomaspollack7451]

He was talking about GHB and that is not MDMA!

[@Joeysteeeel]

Based

[@shadeaquaticbreeder2914]

13:27 for the "they are coming for our jobs" bs it has always made me mad mostly bc they are mad at the wrong thing. You should be mad that the system allows corporations to bring in people from outside your borders bc they will work for less and do the jobs Americans largely don't want to do and/or would push back the most against. That runs into the entire problem we have with always having a, what do you call it, labor force that's without work bc then you can't stand up to your corporate boss and demand more and better conditions bc they will just let you go and bring someone in for the same or less. The best argument against this I have come up with is to try and put everything back on to the bourgeoisie. Tell them that the immigrants are coming over bc the corporations are bringing them over for cheaper labor so you need to stop them lowering your wages and give you worker rights so that they can't take your jobs.

[@nazbolharold8487]

yes based

[@scottykassel495]

Y’all should Colab with chapo trap house

[@philadelphiawalksptsd]

💗

[@kaboon3489]

I wonder if you guys would consider getting some breadtube people on this podcast, it'd be pretty awesome.

[@iamnohere]

I: Seconding this!

[@runarbaldursson6680]

I'd love to see Paul's ego on this podcast

[@Ibrahim-wq8cf]

أحلى بالصوره شيء الفصفص

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

ههههههههههههههه منجد

[@Pizzanicv]

I love you 😘

[@bakshev]

I have a few points I'd like to share about immigration. It's normal for men especially to be conserned about immigration. It's not so much a cuck fantasy as it is mate guarding. To the average man of country A every woman from that country that's of a reproductive age is a potential mate. Therefore it's logical that men will attempt to have as little competition for those women as possible. Why brown/black immigrants are such a problem is because of how radically different they are from the white man in general. It's a completely different culture. Which means that any mixed children will not be a part of the white culture, but the culture of the father. Repeat that over enough time with enough mixed marriages and the original white culture disappears. Just like white settlers destroyed the cultures of Latin America. And yes the conquistadores used a lot more than just breeding them out, but that doesn't mean that breeding someone out isn't a valid form of destruction of a nation/ethnicity.

[@CraigKeidel]

Sounds like a cuck fantasy with extra steps tbh

[@pained_pp5234]

Yall should definetly talk to @againstjapanism

[@btjh1855]

Mashallah daddy The Deprogram has uploaded