The Destruction of the Apostate Church - Revelation 17

[@dawnjerger847]

Praise the Lord, CCP is back! Happy New Year-hoping we meet in the clouds in 2024!

[@annehopkins2079]

wemt to a 'pemtecostal' church christmas carols, in their foyer they had a life size navtiity display, mary had a 'halo', they gave a welcome pack to everyone which included a rick warren and a joyce meyers booklet, I actually tossed it in the bin and was disgusted in the display, as I came out of a cult (rc) which displays halos and such , also lucky to have 1 person to say hello, I went there because MANY churches here in an area of Melb didn't even have a Christmas Day service , it's crazy some don't even believe we in the last days , others won't use the KJV

[@plainwhitepaper3898]

How ignorant are people, I mean believers? Mark I:38,39 Christ went in to All the Churches and taught the Truth Kicking out demons. This was the reason He came. Then said after He leaves awhile, and comes back His house will be 7times more wicked. No? Parable of the man who sweeps his house clean of demon, and the demon goes out and finds no rest, then returns with seven more demons more wicked then himself and enters the empty house. Question, Who kicks out demons? Matthew I3:22 The Church, Who else hears the Word? Mark 4:I8,I9 Also the church. The cares of this life, the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it, they become unfruitful. Matthew 23:9 and in vain teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. Or twisted scriptures.

[@robertcain3426]

At 1.09, Paul's letter to the Thessalonians is mentioned in repect to the 'falling away' as your translation states and you attribute this 'falling away' to be the tribulation. I think Paul is referring here, not to the church, but to the world - 'those are perishing'. For, the Greek word used here is 'apostasia' which means to rebel/revolt and this is referring to a resurrected rebellion which first took place at Babel. And not either a falling away of the church or the rapture. Also, the significance of the numbers is given to identify qualities of the characters and are; The number seven in scripture is symbolic of completion/complete/whole. So when it refers to the 'seven churches', it is regard the complete/whole church. When it is specified that the beast of Rev 13:1 had 'seven heads' it is a reference to it being the COMPLETE chrinological line (lineage) throughout history of the Gentile kingdoms (Daniel) which were to come and unite the world in rebelliin to God, as which happened at Babel. The number ten is symbolic for 'government'. And the significance of the 'ten kings' is a world unified government, again, as the unity which was attempted at Babel. Cheers

[@Lonewadi6242]

TY, CCP

[@robertcain3426]

Yes, it is a resurrected Babel. This is my view, for what it is worth and for who would view it. The antichrist/the man of lawlessness is not a 'man' - singular. It is 'man preminent'. The phrase, 'man of lawlessness' etc, is the use of 'personification'. Likewise, Rev 13:18 is not referring to 'a' singular man. There is no 'a' in the Greek text. It should be translated as man/mankind/humankind. Some translations have correctly ascribed it this way, though not many. This error has been propagated through erroneous tradition throughout Christendom. It is mankind/humankind - a united kingdom of man, himself, as at Babel, united in rebellion against God the Creator and his Messiah. 2 Thess 2:4, 'He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God', is speaking metaphorically. It is to say that he man/mankind will think himself superior to everything. His version of what is truth opposes the Word of God. The keys are given in the book of Revelation itself. *It is a kingdom 'which once was (at Babel), now is not (at John's time of writing) but will come again (in the last days), Rev 17:11. *It is the kingdom that is 'an eighth kingdom, which belongs to the seven'. The seven is the chronological complete beast of Gentile kingdoms which were prphesied to come, through Daniel, and unite the world in rebellion (apostasia) to God as first attempted at Babel where God said, if they be united like this, as one, nothing will be impossible for them. It is the resurrected kingdom of Babel, signifed by being assigned the number eight, since the number eight represents resurrection, a one world government where mankind becomes his own lord and master of his own destiny. *It is the kingdom 'which was wounded by the sword, yet lived', when God went down to Babel and 'wounded man/mankind's effort to unite, as one, by confusing his language and dispersing him over the face of the earth. Man/mankind has his own gospel to preach to the world, which opposes the Word of God; liberty, equality and fraternity, apart from God. His gospel blasphemes the Word of God calling it archaic, barbaric and even unrighteous. The word of man purports to save humankind apart from God and his Christ, Jesus. This is the deception which will be worshipped as truth by all those who are perishing, because they loved the darkness instead of the light. Cheers