The Difference Between Protestantism and Orthodoxy

“Our religion [Orthodox Christianity] is the religion of religions. It is from revelation, the authentic and true religion. The other religions are human, hollow. They do not know the greatness of the Triune God. They do not know that our aim, our destiny, is to become gods according to grace, to attain likeness with the Triune God, to become one with Him and among ourselves.” - St. Porphyrios of Kavsokalyvia, Wounded by Love (p. 94).
#orthodoxy #orthodoxchristianity #christians #youthministry #protestant

[@OrthodoxEthos]

For all to consider: Worship is not man-made, but revealed and handed down to us. It is heavenly, heaven-given. We don't make it up. We don't imitate or follow the cultural currents of our day (music, style, etc.) but we celebrate the timeless Mystery of the Kingdom which is the same yesterday, today and forever, as is the Faith Once Delivered. The Way, Truth and Life of the Church is Christ and He is not changing from age to age. This heavenly worship was given and treasured and insofar as there has been change over the 2000 years it pertains only to certain externals or the human side of the SYNERGY (cooperation) between God and man, not the core, the prayers, the eternal reality. Remember the ancient maxim: as we pray, so we believe. The opposite is also true: as we believe, so we pray. HENCE, our worship is NOT secondary, at all, or indifferent to our Faith, our spiritual vision and outlook as to WHO GOD IS/WHO WE ARE/HOW WE COMMUNE with HIM. Thus, the above videos point to a very great chasm between the heavenly, reveled worship of God, which is timeless and eternal, but shows forth in the One Church, and the changing, cultural conditioned worship found among many Protestants.

[@joshnyvox1525]

Beautifully said, thank you.

[@CALAMITYGURULASTDAYS]

I am so grateful to have been born of the One True Universal Faith and Church of Our Lord & God Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

[@muscularchristian2.0]

Beautiful explanation

[@frederickanderson1860]

Pure escapism from this evil world, yet you forget john chapter 3 v 16, God so loved the world not like your mentality that it's evil. Muslims do same what's the difference, how you know they are living the life before and after these ceremonial and crowd enthusiasm.

[@living_orthodox]

@@frederickanderson1860you make such fallacious claims and then fail to follow up on them. To think you’re comparing ancient Christianity (Orthodoxy is even on paper the oldest) and saying something so blasphemous? Jesus made it clear He also didn’t come to abrogate the law but to fill it to the fullest. God doesn’t change and neither did the manner of worship He set forth in the Old Testament. He’s the same today as He was yesterday and ever will be. So what will you choose? To continue to worship man centred humanism? Or Christ centred Theanthropism? Think before you make such statements and blaspheme God by your own ignorance on the matter. I say this with love for your soul.

[@AshishAntony-ys3iy]

Galatians 3:28 states: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@living_orthodox]

2 Thessalonians 2:15 would disagree with your personal interpretation which is erroneous.

[@xMidan]

​@@living_orthodox What personal interpretation was provided? Thats a direct quote.

[@ThomasBlack636]

You may find the Orthodox love division. They take great pride in being the “bestest” and are doing much to alienate Christians who are not pawns of Russia

[@BentleyPearson-hl2yh]

​@@living_orthodox I am new to orthodoxy, and have been protestant for the past 8 years, and it never fails to suprize me when Priests and Bishops are able to give answers, and how they respond to statements or questions. Ive been orthodox for about 5 months now, and I still feel like a newborn😂 Yet I am so greatful to have found orthodoxy, and I pray for those who miss understand it.

[@xMidan]

@@Silentbo_7 Where did I insinuate that? Now you're making false claims.

[@bipn_406]

The heart is what matters. I respect both.

[@propheticworship]

Bingo

[@bipn_406]

​@@FilmnAuraDefine "worldly"?

[@dimitriyalousi1015]

Amen brother

[@Don_C06]

The manner in which we worship matters. Do not follow your heart, for it is wicked.

[@justgaming4fun-]

So you think when David danced before God he was in a worldly manner ?

[@Akochang-f8q]

It's not about becoming Protestant or Orthodox but it's about becoming Christ-like. Look at what Bible tells us about worshipping and not what people say.

[@marcelkuizenga]

The bible is written by people. Use your brain.

[@Akochang-f8q]

@@marcelkuizenga who said other wise

[@marcelkuizenga]

@@Akochang-f8q You! You adviced not to listnen to people but look at the bible instead. But reading the bible is listening to the very ignorant and immoral people who wrote these stories. Doesn't seem very clever.

[@Akochang-f8q]

@@marcelkuizenga I said to be Christ like that's all thank you

[@marcelkuizenga]

@@Akochang-f8q You didn't write "Look at what the bible tells us..."? Try to be honest! Thank you.

[@leslielousma7913]

The more I study Orthodoxy, the more I find myself rethinking everything I know about my religious beliefs.

[@Child0fGOD]

Do you also study your Bible? God bless you ♥️😊

[@leslielousma7913]

@@Child0fGOD Absolutely!

[@xtra.squish]

Glory to God☦️💕

[@xtra.squish]

@@Child0fGOD it’s amazing the Orthodox and now what is known as Catholicism, schism, can both take credit for compiling the canonical books of the Bible ❤❤❤ Martin Luther destroyed it though hence why most Protestant Bibles only have 66 books and many verses have been botched😢

[@TheDreamClown]

@@xtra.squishReally!? That is so interesting do you have any examples? I was raised Protestant and am greatly considering converting to orthodox

[@griswoldthegoblin9420]

The Protestant one looks much more like a concert, one that will most likely distract from the main point that is worshipping.

[@DeadPool----]

Bc it is a concert lol

[@benabele3552]

Have you ever been to one? It’s definitely worshipping. I appreciate the sentiment on this video but this is why I don’t like Orthodoxy. Orthodox think they are THE only correct answer. There are many ways to worship.

[@frederickanderson1860]

Nonsense you afraid that this world will contaminate your souls, read gospel of John chapter 3 v 16 again, God himself loved the world in all generations, not hiding in a ceremonial building you forget he destroyed the temples forever. What building can contain his presence, like retricting his power.

[@kavky]

​@@benabele3552Because Orthodoxy is the correct answer, the name should have been obvious enough. That in the video might be "worship" but it's not worship of God.

[@benabele3552]

@@kavky thank you for a perfect example of what I’m talking about!

[@evanmarquardt7249]

Don’t throw all Protestantism in with mega churches.

[@olijomusic2481]

This is the truth. In this same way, someone could judge all christians, because some group of so called "christians" have been involved in wars, crimes and sexual assault.

[@jakeschwartz2514]

They always do this. The orthodox absolutely strawman Protestantism consistently, they essentially put videos of this and sin affirming churches as normal Protestant belief, which is obviously ridiculous

[@showtime1235]

what’s wrong w a mega church? is there somehow an issue with people getting together in large crowds to worship?

[@evanmarquardt7249]

@@showtime1235 not inherently, I suppose. But a lot of them turn into schemes to drain people of cash without having to pay taxes, instead of a place to be closer with God

[@RodrigoMera]

That's always what you say, but if it were not by the Protestant rebellion you wouldn't have this stuff, you are responsbile for all this, those are the fruits of the reformation. Deal with it.

[@leviz2644]

Why are there so many immature people in the comments? If you’re Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant - we all should act Christlike and not compete on who “worships the best”, there’s something really spritually immature about that. One could argue that the Orthodox and Catholic churches feel more heavenly (and I would agree on that), but worship is not only singing in chrurches, it is also serving others and, of course, we can sing in worship in other places like in our homes, on the streets, etc. But most importantly, God looks at our hearts and not necessarily our surroundings, when it comes to worship. All I see (from both sides on this video) is Christ-believing people who worship their Creator and Saviour. Our boast is in Christ, not in ourselves.

[@sergiosaucedo5834]

Reminds me of the Disciples arguing on who was the greatest among themselves hahaha

[@flouserschird]

We should also be using decrement on the true heart behind modern Protestant worship.

[@thiagocesar2749]

​@flouserschird your comment is simply pharisaical at its finest. You debasing the heart of a protestant simply due to secondary value systems, doctrines and beliefs, being the main problem with denominational divide in God's church today.

[@onlytixer]

​@@sergiosaucedo5834😂

[@sophi097]

I agree

[@mariavlahochristos7756]

Glory to God. When I hear the Orthodox chanting it is so heavenly!

[@tinaperich1260]

Exactly, chanting is paganic and based in Babylonian whore tradition

[@CrusaderofGodEditz]

Indeed

[@Presbapterian]

1. Chanting is NOT UNIQUE to Easterners. Many reformational churches also chant. Some Eastern Orthodox churches have also used musical instruments to accompany them singing. You can easily browse "Greek Orthodox Church with Keyboard Instrument" on KZbin. The use of musical instruments in the liturgy is NOT UNIQUE to the reformational churches. 2. Protestantism is a system, NOT an ecclesial body. Churches adhering to this system include Moravians, Anglicans, Lutherans, Reformed, Credobaptist, etc. They all affirm the apostolic teaching preserved before, during, and after the reformation. Similarly, Ecclesialism is a system, NOT an ecclesial body. Churches affirming this system include: - Genuine/True Eastern Orthodox - World Eastern Orthodox - Various streams of Oriental Orthodox - Old Believers - Assyrian Church of the East - Ancient Church of the East - Roman Catholics - Sedevacantists - etc. Each of them believes that their church alone is the one true church, and those other bodies are anathema. 3. Charismaticism is also present in Eastern Orthodoxy; you can easily find it in the St. Symeon the New Theologian brotherhood and other similar interjurisdiction societies of priests and laities. Fr. Eusebius Stephanou, Fr. Timothy Cremeens, and so many other priests.

[@CrusaderofGodEditz]

@@Presbapterian I prefer the traditional would be best.

[@absolutepixels3812]

So stupid of Orthodoxs to mix earthly body and heavenly body

[@christiang4497]

Both are beautiful. Where two or three are gathered in His name...

[@azarelnikhla1478]

Exactly, unite!

[@lodestar3984]

@@azarelnikhla1478Amen!!

[@bewoproductions9097]

Happy to unite. Jump in to Orthodoxy and we will take you in. We hold the True understanding. That is what Orthodox means. It is not just a title. It’s an Ethos. A Praxis. A lifestyle. And the only reality. We are in Christ because Christ is in us. When we take communion, we are Transfigured into the Life of Christ. We are then Resurrected. And we are brought into Sonship. You just don’t get that anywhere else. I know because I have been through all of the Protestant Churches. You don’t have what you think you have. It’s more than intellectual understanding and reading, and emotional rousing. Come unite to us. You will not be dissatisfied.

[@Bu-Bizu]

@@bewoproductions9097Romans 14

[@strife10301]

@@bewoproductions9097 that's not uniting. That's conforming .

[@meikadevries4803]

It’s so wonderful to see both sides of worship. I love both ways of praising God. It’s truly beautiful.

[@Johnhelldivereatz710]

Sadly most orthodox don’t see it this wau

[@Smoky_Shots]

@@Johnhelldivereatz710Orthodoxy has a superiority complex issue.

[@Johnhelldivereatz710]

@@Smoky_Shots that goes for most denominations towards each other

[@Smoky_Shots]

@@Johnhelldivereatz710 Sure, but I’ve interacted with denominations of all sorts and it seems to especially plague Orthodox imo. Not saying it’s not a thing in others.

[@Johnhelldivereatz710]

@@Smoky_Shots I usually see it a lot more in catholic Christian but I’m pretty sure it’s just the denominations on the internet

[@illustratoriusrex5949]

The awesomeness of Orthodoxy

[@CKZ.123]

The awsomeness of Catholicism

[@josephjacob3274]

​@@CKZ.123 Vladimir emissaries said it best. Western Christianity was not triumphantly beautiful. For Eastern Christianity, they did not know whether they were on earth or in heaven.

[@CKZ.123]

@@josephjacob3274 Who is Vladimir Emissaries, and which one is the best. Either way i love the way my religion is so, it doesnt change my pov.

[@zealousideal]

I think it’s beautiful too … BUT honestly not everyone sees it that way. I know many people that can’t stand it or that it doesn’t resonate with at all, therefore they did not become orthodox. The next problem is we need to stop being judgmental or thinking ourselves better as orthodox. Case in point, I know many orthodox that are NOT right with God and I know many protestants who are very holy people, so it’s not a church that saves you at the end of the day. Just saying. But yes, I prefer orthodox and happen to be one too. But I don’t see myself as any less than when I was protestant either.

[@user-qb3gm4pu2m]

Just to clarify, Im not Christian But ehm, is it really okay to use images of saints? How do you know God really saw real belief on them? Or why do you treat them like... As if thet had any power? Werent they just humans? Please, I hope Im not disrespecting anyone. Im simply curious

[@stephanieparsons1056]

Worship is part of an intimate relationship with Jesus through the Holy Spirit.

[@armando7257]

Yes I think both groups did wonderfully

[@spraitL]

I will ask you a question: If the people at the concert worship God (with the heart and spirit), feels the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is present and people are being healed + delivered, is that bad? I think what matters is your heart, and God sees your heart. Shall we really limit God, with that He may only be present if we worship Him like the Orthodox Church?

[@CoryW-h3q]

​@@FilmnAuraholy tradition doesn't save you.

[@erizaodoh1229]

But why was I filled with the holy spirit in such a worship atmosphere? I even prophesied and prayed and my father got healed from Diabetes non the less why did the Holy​ Spirit fill me???Was it wrong to be filled? Why were other filled too s@@FilmnAura

[@frankfranklinson]

​@@FilmnAurayour assuming they aren't, go out into the world (touch grass) get off youtube, spend time evangelizing to the lost, serve your community, become a righteous man of God, actually do Christ's work instead of spreading division. You got this.

[@PolishBigfootCircle11]

What does Paul say? There is neither Greek nor Jew. Do not discriminate against Christian brothers and sisters who worship differently than you. Do not take others captive with human traditions. Both are beautiful. What matters is that you are a new creation.

[@jozegrd4123]

@@GigiGhibaIf you think early christian churches were gilded with gold and made out of expensive materials is utter nonsense.

[@logoseven3365]

@@GigiGhiba No, Christ. They were forming orthodox theology, or were the Orthodox not done forming their theology?

[@logoseven3365]

@@GigiGhiba Yes, but, much of what the “Orthodox Church” does was established after that.

[@kreatorvon]

@@jozegrd4123why is your Bible missing so many books and why don’t you pray in the name of the trinity

[@curtwarner8505]

Protestants are not Christians though half if them aren’t even trinitarian and the other half dont know what that means.

[@Livuu.Emanuel]

We sin the same. And we all need the mercy of God

[@PentaRaus]

Ones is a feel good concert followed by a social club. The other is the original church.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

​@@PentaRausThere is nothing wrong with either.

[@EpicMLZ-oz4ne]

Search the internet about the Most Holy Family Monastery, and enter, there are videos and tests that can help you see the truth about false Protestant churches and which one is true.

[@lingonberry6500]

@@PentaRaus the early church definitely did not have extremely expensive chandeliers, so that we can feel good about the state funded money that built that church. We can play this game all day. The heart is truly what matters

[@laliveinterim]

​@@lingonberry6500 The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked..

[@epiphany6644]

If their hearts are sincere, and they worship in truth, is that not what matters?

[@lodestar3984]

Amen. Worship, if sincere, is always beautiful, no matter if it looks like a concert or a ritual. Because the focus is on Jesus, the most beautiful part of the whole universe

[@DianaMcFerran]

​@@lodestar3984Amen well said 🙏

[@Just-A-Based-Individual]

Problem is that protestantism preaches false doctrine on Christianity

[@RadRat1138]

No. You cannot find salvation being a heretic

[@renetuuliranta]

​@@RadRat1138 So you need to be orthodox to be saved? Why you think those people in the first clip are not transfigured by Christ?

[@CyprusHot]

As an orthodox - I won’t condemn the first because God alone knows their hearts and minds, but I pray they will see how pure orthodoxy is and come to the fullness of the truth.

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

That was extraordinary humble comment from orthodox. I am orthodox myself but too often i see internet keyboard orthodox warriors judging all people - even other orthodox. They give so bad image about orthodoxy. In reality in my country orthodox people are very kind and does not throw judgements on other people. Internet is deceiving sometimes .

[@Don_C06]

The heart is evil. The bible literally tells us to not follow our hearts

[@CyprusHot]

@@Don_C06 This is incorrect. God created our hearts. Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus replied: “ 'Love the Lord your God with all your HEART and with all your soul and with all your mind. ' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. Your comment is not good but that’s your choice.

[@Don_C06]

@@CyprusHot jeremiah 17:9

[@CyprusHot]

@@Don_C06 and ? You read the English without knowing the context of anything - so you aren’t an orthodox Christian and so you won’t know that the English translation is a mistranslation A quick look into the Orthodox Study Bible, though, will show you that Jeremiah 17:9 (Masoretic) is not in fact Jeremiah 17:9 (Septuagint); it is, rather, Jeremiah 17:5 (Septuagint), which reads in the Greek as follows: βαθεῖα ἡ καρδία παρὰ πάντα καὶ ἄνθρωπός ἐστιν καὶ τίς γνώσεται αὐτόν (The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man, and who can know him?). When we examine the writings of the Fathers, this holds to be true, as this is the text that they comment on. Their commentary, then, focuses on Christ. As an example, here is an excerpt from Against Heresies by St. Irenaeus of Lyons, which includes the verse in its proper translation: "For this reason it is said, “Who shall declare his generation?” since “he is man, and who shall recognize him?”But one to whom the Father who is in heaven has revealed him knows him, so that he understands that he who “was not born either by the will of the flesh or by the will of man”is the Son of man, that is, Christ, the Son of the living God. For I have shown from the Scriptures that no one of the children of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God or named Lord. But that he is himself in his own right, beyond all people who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King eternal and the incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles and by the Spirit, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of him, if, like others, he had been a mere man. But that he had, beyond all others, in himself that pre-eminent birth that is from the most high Father, and also experienced that pre-eminent generation that is from the Virgin, the divine Scriptures do in both respects testify of him."

[@henok8799]

Orthodoxy is the truth

[@ramario6195]

I’m going to my first Greek Orthodox church next Sunday. I’m so very excited, I got a very good feeling. 😀

[@Bombasticpi6xq]

​@@ramario6195Dude I love my Copic Church went for the first time was amazing. You'll love it.

[@danvickers2578]

Me to and I’m going to talk about getting baptised. Please pray for me to God my friends 🙏🏻 god bless you all in Jesus name Christ and Son of God amen 🕊️

[@paton991]

Christ is

[@Daubeny-pm8vk]

The holy spirit comes from the father and the son

[@Joshuah--]

God doesn't want your religious performance, or your fancy religious clothing, or your memorized religious chants... He wants your heart, and that's all He wants. He wants your loyalty, love, and fellowship, towards Him, and that all comes from the heart. ❤✝️

[@marias5088]

If you know what God wants, you must have seen Him, and you must have seen what others in Heaven look like. All the religious clothing and chants are done to honor God. This is how we, the Orthodox, honor God. You don't have to do what we do.

[@AveChristusRexZoomer]

There is a right way and wrong way to worship God. The first “worship” video shown is man centered concert with a “Christian” theme. Read Romans 12, Paul tells us worship is a living and holy sacrifice of our bodies as a spiritual service acceptable to God. The people in the video, though they may have a zeal, clearly lack knowledge of God’s word. Psalm 19:2 specifically teaches against that… Christianity is a religion, but is the the ONLY TRUE Religion. Don’t try to make Christianity into a new age “spiritual” thing.

[@strife10301]

@@AveChristusRexZoomer are you going to tell King David he's worshipping the wrong way?

[@AveChristusRexZoomer]

@@strife10301 King David didn’t worship like the people in the video, He didn’t form a concert. Read your Bible and pay attention to it.

[@strife10301]

@AveChristusRexZoomer you're telling me King David didn't have electric guitars, lights, and concerts? You don't say. maybe you read the bible, here, I'll help. John 4:23-24. He said, But the hour cometh and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father seeketh such to worship Him". Are you saying those "Concert goers" are not worshipping in spirit and in truth Brother? As for King David. 2 Sam 6: 14. " And David danced before the Lord WITH ALL HIS MIGHT"

[@ic7481]

The early Christians met in humble houses, wore plain clothes, and worked and lived "ordinary" lives. Their faith didn't show through their appearance, or how they worshipped, but how they lived their lives. Burning incence in a beautiful church, and wearing fancy clothes, doesn't make you any better than any other christian. What matters is the heart, and how you live.

[@redman73xz]

Amen

[@Eliyahu_777]

That’s not all the Orthodox Church is way more than that, we have a way more traditional way of life

[@opinionatortv6457]

​@@Eliyahu_777And that is just okay my brother, as long as you are in Christ, we are one

[@jackboehm8408]

@@Eliyahu_777 But that's what this Eastern Orthodox propaganda video is advertising though

[@Eliyahu_777]

@@jackboehm8408 I’m of the faith that’s really offensive to me bruh

[@tsftre1556]

Both saved by Christ by the completed works at the cross!!!

[@lodestar3984]

Amen!

[@raazirazz4216]

Both of them looks cool. Love from a Muslim❤

[@kyliecx]

@@raazirazz4216L islam

[@Tabita-1-2]

​I know you have a bad opinion of islam but as Christians whe should show the love of Jesus so that they have a good opinion of Christians or even repent if we are mean to them how do you think there gonna repent ​@@kyliecx

[@EM-ox3rw]

It’s not right to contrast these things as if only one is acceptable or glorifying to God. This is divisive, and I wish Orthodoxy would stop marketing itself in opposition to Protestantism.

[@spiritrider3348]

I went the AOG way and came away 'sucked in' by the subtle hand of evil. Cut your losses, which may be big, and look for an orthodox church my friend. St Paul Gal 3:1 O senseless christian, who hath beWITCHED........ The witchcraft is real, check your own flesh!!

[@EM-ox3rw]

@@spiritrider3348 I don’t know what AOG is, and I’m not sure why it means I need to be Orthodox…?

[@thomasc777]

@@spiritrider3348 tell that to the underground church in China -- which by your claim you think theyre being bewtiched because its not an orthodox church? Dont prevent people from entering the kingdom of God

[@0i0l0o]

From what i know, Orthodoxy is quite different than Protestantism.

[@lodestar3984]

@@EM-ox3rw AOG means Assemblies of God. It's pretty charismatic, being a branch of Pentacostalism. The denomination is not heretical as a whole, but ultra-charismatic movements can verge into problems pretty quick, as I'm sure you know.

[@berwynsigns4115]

As a Catholic I agree, be transfigured by Christ. You can be emotional too. But don't let the emotions be false/empty, and not lead to a changed life.

[@lodestar3984]

I can agree with this.

[@RadRat1138]

Following Christ requires a sober and serious mind

[@us3rG]

Emotions cloud judgment

[@thankyou62]

Emotions can cloud judgment, but it can also enhance judgment. Jesus wept, my friend. I’m not sure why Kantianism is so mainstream in the Church today, but it’s really a plague. Being stoic and smile-less does not make you holier.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

​@@us3rGYa, we should all just be sociopaths

[@bridgetbold6867]

God looks at the heart.

[@ruhmuhaccer864]

And the heart that is pleasing to him searches and acts according to his will.

[@pajcka]

I agree, but you also have a point of view.

[@OrthodoxEthos]

The purpose of Orthodox worship is to purify and elevate the heart and not just manipulate the emotions while leaving the heart dark and empty.

[@TOSKA-c6b]

​@@OrthodoxEthoswho says that's what we do? I respect orthodoxy, I pray, sing songs, chant, but you have the audacity to tell me it's not real for me?

[@Presbapterian]

Yup! 1. Chanting is NOT UNIQUE to the easterners. Many reformational churches do. Some Eastern Orthodox churches have also used musical instruments to accompany them singing. You can easily browse "Greek Orthodox Church with Keyboard Instrument" on KZbin. The use of musical instruments in the liturgy is NOT UNIQUE to the reformational churches. 2. Protestantism is a system, NOT an ecclesial body. Churches adhering to this system include Moravians, Anglicans, Lutherans, Reformed, Credobaptist, etc. They all affirm the apostolic teaching preserved before, during, and after the reformation. Similarly, Ecclesialism is a system, NOT an ecclesial body. Churches affirming this system include: - Genuine/True Eastern Orthodox - World Eastern Orthodox - Various streams of Oriental Orthodox - Old Believers - Assyrian Church of the East - Ancient Church of the East - Roman Catholics - Sedevacantists - etc. Each of them believes that their church alone is the one true church, and those other bodies are anathema. 3. Charismaticism is also present in Eastern Orthodoxy; you can easily find it in the St. Symeon the New Theologian brotherhood and other similar interjurisdiction societies of priests and laities. Fr. Eusebius Stephanou, Fr. Timothy Cremeens, and so many other priests.

[@ignitus7777]

We can't say a worship is true because of it's ancient look, true worship is in truth and in spirit!

[@TriggerStand]

There is no truth in protestantism, and there is no true presence of Christ in the video shown here, because of the lack of Eucharist

[@ignitus7777]

@@TriggerStand If you say there is no truth in Protestantism, you are also saying that the Trinity, the deity of Christ and other basics that you guys teach are also false

[@ignitus7777]

@@TriggerStand And there are Protestant churches which serve the Eucharist every week. And Eucharist isn't the only way to have communion with Christ.

[@TriggerStand]

@@ignitus7777 No, the Trinity, the deity of Christ and other basics of Christianity are 100% true. What I'm saying is that the principles of protestantism such as sola fide, sola scriptura etc. are false.

[@TriggerStand]

@@ignitus7777 Most protestants don't believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. However, the early church fathers taught otherwise. All these ideas are modern and have no basis in history, nor do they resemble what the early Church believed.

[@yunfeikwon]

Seeing the comment sections reminded me of the feud between the Pharisees and the Sadducees. We all worship the same God here but why do we have to ridicule and spite each other? If one says the other is just a fake and themselves are the truest then it's no different than racism. And ironically we are not against other religions but instead under the same God.

[@thatweirdkid08]

Amen to that! We all worship the same God, and we are saved by Jesus and not the church. Both of these videos are beautiful

[@asto5767]

Cuz orthodox christians on the internet were former atheists that are still infants of the faith and think they can talk over protestants because they decided to join the "one true church". Statistically, protestants are the most well read when it comes to the bible, followed by catholics and orthodox. They strawman a lot about protestantism but don't get that the majority of slavic orthodox christians only go to church for christmas and easter.

[@CrusaderofGodEditz]

I'm a Roman Catholic but I love y'all Orthodox brothers and sisters! We all have beautiful traditions, VIVA CRISTO REY!!!

[@CrusaderofGodEditz]

@@GigiGhiba Any proof that the Orthodox Church called the "Catholic" Church heresy? The Catholic Church is the true church, even history approved of this.

[@Teutonic__Knight]

​@@CrusaderofGodEditzthe Catholic Church in the Orthodox Church are the same we're just politically divided.

[@CrusaderofGodEditz]

@@Teutonic__Knight Right you are.

[@Brett.Crealy-kh1sk]

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own Master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)

[@propheticworship]

I love Orthodoxy, but am protestant. Both are worship as long as it's streaming from a pure heart. All due respect, You don't know that it's all emotional in the first video And I love the second video it's gorgeous and amazing. Both are worship. You would do well to remember the verse that talks about remembering not to judge another man's servant.

[@Bigsmoke.J1]

its not worship if your "pastors" dont practice the sacraments bro... or do they only serve the eucharist after the concert and smoke show ? lmfao

[@ThomasBlack636]

@@Bigsmoke.J1Classic orthodox pride and arrogance toward others.

[@strife10301]

@@Bigsmoke.J1 ok pharasee.

[@Bigsmoke.J1]

​@@strife10301 must be tough having your entire faith and salvation based on only your interpretation of the bible innit 😁

[@northstar2621]

Unfortunately I have to agree ​@@ThomasBlack636

[@markdavidangangan1111]

As a protestant , both type pf worship is Beautiful, Both is for our Lord and Savior Jesus ❤🥹

[@Marushkaanee123]

I always feel closer to God in small churches than in large ones with such crowds.

[@WMNofGod247]

Me too! I go to a baptist church and at youth we have like 20-25 people, a few of my friends and the youth leaders lead worship. I do not like huge gatherings, I don’t believe Christian worship should be in a concert. Jesus says we should build a relationship with him,

[@derpsquad1o142]

These comments put on display ever single reason why I struggle to continue my inquiry into Orthodoxy.

[@junicornplays980]

I'm Catholic, but I will say that "Internet Orthodoxy" is a bit different from Orthodoxy in practice. You're much more likely to encounter extreme opinions online. Sometimes when people discover something they get a bit fanatical about it. (Note, this is the same for Internet Catholicism as well). The book "The Orthodox Church" by Kallistos Ware is a good start for a more even-handed view.

[@derpsquad1o142]

@@junicornplays980 Thanks. I’ve had a few people near me convert and they display the behavior that you describe. I’ll look into it

[@philipgligorov5848]

​@@derpsquad1o142As a catholic who live in an orthodox country, I can say I am disappointed reading the comments here. But in reality we live very well, and both the catholic and orthodox community in oir country are in relatively good relations.

[@sumnik852]

This is the one and only 2000 year old Apostolic church. Either you like it or not.

[@derpsquad1o142]

@@sumnik852 give that response to Christ. When people turn away because of comments like this.

[@daniell.5483]

I'm a Christian protestant, and we believe our entire life is worship to God. Music worship is just a part of that. Be careful judging someones heart who is worshipping Jesus. Only God knows their heart. Blessings my friends.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

Yeah, it gets really annoying when Catholics or Orthodox Christians want to act elitist and better than other denominations. Ironically, that's but one of the many reasons the Protestant Reformation happened in the first place.

[@paytonnorris8129]

become orthodox, i was once protestant and i can tell you, orthodoxy is the only path to God.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

@@paytonnorris8129 You're a fool that thinks changing denominations is the same as converting.

[@jeffklemm1007]

I thought Jesus is the only path to God?

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

@@jeffklemm1007 He is.

[@danielarellano2495]

Both are true worship God knows the heart

[@Love_Hope_Faith]

GREEK CHRISTIAN ORTHODOX ✝️ FOR EVER LORD JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD HAVE MERCY ON US ✝️ 🙏🕯️📿🕊️❤️

[@lowballinn]

The one who worships unseen will be rewarded. What good is it to worship publicly but without the intention?

[@asto5767]

You could apply that argument on both forms of worship. Being proud about liturgy instead of accepting it with grace and understanding that westerners do not have this practice yet still seek out God is still something admirable. Psalm 96: 1-4 Sing to the Lord a new song; sing to the Lord, all the earth. Psalm 150:4-6 Praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and pipe, praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals. Let everything that has breath praise the Lord. Protestants worship with live music because of these verses. Are you going to say this is invalid now? The Bible is not contradictory

[@lowballinn]

@@asto5767 I know. Worshipping to actually worship is good. To show off or for status is bad. God knows your intentions.

[@asto5767]

@@lowballinn Yeah that's my point. One can make the equal argument that apostolics are showing off with the fancy robes, gold architecture and incense. Yet both forms of worship are accepted by God (Psalms talks about music)

[@lowballinn]

@@asto5767 👍

[@lowballinn]

@@asto5767 God bless you

[@anodoss2607]

I see 2 ways of worshiping but only the Pharisees idolize one way. While the Pharisees see rituals and traditions, God sees hearts open and pure to seek Him. 2 Samuel 6:14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

[@acekoala457]

Is that why the Apostles maintained the Liturgical Hours of Prayer that was practiced by the Second Temple Jews according to the Book of Acts? Because they were Pharisees? This is a silly comparison because Worship methods has always been a point of issue in Scripture. During Righteous Moses' time, During the Judges, During the rebuilding of the Walls of Jerusalem. People were killed for worshipping with strange fire by God and His Servants.

[@anodoss2607]

@@acekoala457 Psalm 96: 1-4 Sing to the Lord a new song; sing to the Lord, all the earth. Psalm 150:4-6 Praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and pipe, praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals. Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.

[@asto5767]

@@acekoala457 First address his point. If only one way of worship is acceptable, then how come God accepted nor didn't punish David for dancing in the streets? David was a man known for trying to seek God's heart. He LOVED God and danced for him in worship and praise. He clearly had the spirit of joy in him. Liturgical sacraments are great but that's not the end all be all of human expression for worshipping God. Think deeper bro, the Bible clearly has verses talking about playing trumpets for the Lord as loud as possible, not just acoustic chanting.

[@OrthodoxEthos]

“Our religion [Orthodox Christianity] is the religion of religions. It is from revelation, the authentic and true religion. The other religions are human, hollow. They do not know the greatness of the Triune God. They do not know that our aim, our destiny, is to become gods according to grace, to attain likeness with the Triune God, to become one with Him and among ourselves.” - St. Porphyrios of Kavsokalyvia, Wounded by Love (p. 94).

[@mrsnkg7904]

Amen. Dear St Porphyrios pray for us. 💖🙏

[@vanessac.7040]

Who was St. Porphyrios addressing this statement to? To his own people. But here we are posting this on the internet as if everyone is on the same page. To me there’s no true love in this post but the spirit of pride, arrogance of the internet world. Lord have mercy on us all.☦️😔 To continue the quote posted of St. Porphyrios on page 94… “These are things the other religions do not know. The ultimate aim of our religion is that they may be one. Here the work of Christ find completion. Our religion is love, it is eros, it is enthusiasm, it is madness, it is longing for the divine. All these things are within us. Our souls demand that we attain them. For many people, however, religion is a struggle, a source of agony and anxiety. That’s why many of the ‘religious minded’ are regarded as unfortunates, because others can see the desperate state they are in. And so it is. Because for the person who doesn’t understand the deeper meaning a religion and doesn’t experience it, religion ends up as an illness, and indeed a terrible illness. So terrible that the person loses control of his actions and becomes weak willed it and spineless, he is filled with agony and anxiety and is driven to and fro by the evil spirit. He makes prostrations, he weeps, he exclaims , he believes he is humbling himself, and all this humility is a work of Satan. Some such people experience religion as a kind of hell. They make prostrations and cross them selves in church and they say, we are ‘unworthy sinners’, then as soon as they come out they start to blaspheme everything holy whenever someone upsets them a little. It is very clear that there is something demonic in this. In fact, the Christian religion transforms people and heals them. The most important precondition, however, for someone to recognize and discern the truth is humility. Egotism darkens a persons mind, it confuses him, it leads him astray, to heresy. It is important for a person to understand the truth.”

[@Presbapterian]

Which Orthodox? - True/Genuine Orthodox churches? - World Orthodox? - Phanar or Moscow? - what about the Oriental folks? - Old Believers?

[@Child0fGOD]

​@@vanessac.7040thank you ❤ and be blessed in Jesus mighty name

[@payaso216]

You wanna become "gods" what pagan garbage is this?

[@King_Cosmic]

I am being baptized into Orthodoxy at the end of April, and I will be both emotional and transfigured because of Christ. Glory to GOD in all things.

[@Footballworld1644]

My orthodox church is holy ☦

[@ahmedDR758]

Idol worshipers

[@mihailprylepa6358]

Вы служите идолам но не Богу

[@ColeB777]

@@ahmedDR758Protestants are hindus

[@standingfortruth4043]

Yeah right, can't even keep the second commadment

[@ColeB777]

@@standingfortruth4043 you do know that God commanded Moses to make a statue of an angel right? When Jesus Christ came down to this earth that’s when we were able to make images because we could literally see Jesus

[@hehehehehehehehehhahahahah1598]

I love when orthodox and Catholics highlight the 1% of Protestantism that is like this. Go to any rural Protestant church and it is wayyyy different of a experience

[@Kenyanorthodoxy]

All protestant churches are heretical, it doesn't have fullness of salvation

[@xtra.squish]

It does not matter, Protestants are PROTESTant due to the Crusades. Catholic ≠ Orthodox same as you would not like to be lumped in with all the denominations. Go to a parish and see what the pre-denominational body is all about ☦️💕 apostolic and Catholic(universal for all) 🥰

[@havefaith4382]

facts they think protestant churches are like that one scene from the spongebob movie where he is holding the guitar lol

[@saadsaucin6619]

This isn’t even church it’s a concert from a Christian band. Very bias video

[@flouserschird]

@@saadsaucin6619Ahhh but you see, they will tell you, “it’s not a concert”. They get extremely offended when you devalue their “worship” into a “concert”.

[@Imasheep999]

Absolutely nothing wrong with being emotional over Christ, shaming other for worshipping especially when they are ignorant is wrong you were once ignorant. Yeshua cares more for the heart than anything. The desire for Christ is what he wants. Quit acting like the Pharisees brothers. You talk and awful lot like them.

[@asto5767]

It's because a majority of internet orthodox and catholics were once atheists so they're still bringing their atheistic proud zeal to our faith. They don't have the humility to understand and accept that they are infants of the faith and they still require breast milk, so they bash others who have been on the narrow path for much longer. Orthodox christians in real life do not act like this at all because they understand we're all on the same team. These new converts clearly have satan working in their lives trying to confuse and divert their focus from Jesus to inter-denominational feuds. And the proof is there because they act like bashing protestant Christians is bringing them closer to Christ. Mark 9:38-41 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

[@lucasendemann9193]

I am Catholic and If we have accepted our Messiah ❤Jesus Christ❤ of Nazareth as our lord and saviour and to follow his teachings and not veer off then we shall all unite in Christ. Although we disagree on some things like doctrine or worship. It’s important that we love our Saviour dearly and worshiping Jesus is holy and may the Holy Spirit guide us and give us clarity. ✨✝️Jesus is KING 👑 ✝️✨ I pray 🙏 for all my brothers and sisters in Christ whether they are✝️ Orthodox, Protestant or Catholic☦️.Our main message is Jesus and may he continue to bless ❤ and love you all!!!😊✝️🕊️🔥

[@therealmaskriz5716]

God bless you too. 🙏

[@lucasendemann9193]

@@GigiGhiba John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

[@robertsharonbonaretti2525]

​@@lucasendemann9193Didn't Jesus also say call no one Father but your Father in Heaven.

[@TLW412]

True worship is done in spirit and in truth. Neither is incorrect if done with a pure heart. Dont be deceived

[@saint5203]

The Orthodox Church is the body of Christ. End of story

[@CrusaderofGodEditz]

AMEN!!! VIVA CRISTO REY!!!!

[@alicia__carvalho]

Religiosity.

[@ahmedDR758]

Ok , end it

[@paton991]

Believers are the body. Do not hate your brother.

[@Theosdei]

@@paton991 Church is the body of Christ.

[@taylerthompson7559]

I truly believe got loves both styles as he wants our praise.

[@Jbandzthegoat]

As a Protestant it’s not good to generalize all Protestant worship like this because in my church we do not worship like this at all.

[@returnfreedom]

Repent and Turn to Christianity (orthodoxy)

[@Jbandzthegoat]

@@returnfreedom I am a Christian

[@OrthodoxEthos]

What is a Christian?

[@Jbandzthegoat]

@@OrthodoxEthos someone who believes that there is One God Jesus Christ is his son Jesus Christ died as an atonement for us and whoever loves and believes and follows him shall have eternal life

[@AppleOfThineEye]

​@@OrthodoxEthosSomeone who believes in the teachings of Christ. Hence the term "Christian" or "Follower of Christ"

[@cjgallardo957]

What is the difference? They are both worshipping the same God. The Bible says: Worship the LORD with gladness; come before him with joyful songs… Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name… Sing to the LORD! Give praise to the LORD! God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth… What are they doing wrong by worshipping God? Do not allow your religiosity and tradition hinder how God is working in the lives of others.

[@cjgallardo957]

@@GigiGhiba show me the Bible verse. Show me where the Bible implies this. I will wait.

[@acekoala457]

We don't worship the same God.

[@cjgallardo957]

@@acekoala457 There is only one God. I’m not sure what Bible you are reading, but the Bible that I read says God is the only God.

[@neko-chan1513]

Amen Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant as long as their worshipping Jesus that's all that matters ✝️☦️🛐❤❤❤

[@techelitesareadisease8816]

@@cjgallardo957 By that logic, the Muslims worship the same God, their Quran has the same sentiment. No, not all self-identified Christians worship the same God. The most obvious example is Jehovah Witnesses denying the trinity. That is a fundamental disagreement that cannot be reconciled or looked past.

[@thegreekhomestead]

Tha fact that in 2023 there are still people who debate about which dogma is the best, is ridiculous and mind boggling. The Church is the body of Christ, the ones that truly believe in Him, being cleaned by His blood, love Him and live for Him. Stop with this division nonsense.

[@johnvanderschuit]

By not joining with the Orthodox Church, it is you who continue to support division Protestant “worship” is prelest.

[@thegreekhomestead]

@@johnvanderschuit The words orthodox, catholic, protestant don't even exist in the Bible. These are man made labels about Christians. A Christian is a Christ follower. Full stop.

[@lodestar3984]

@@johnvanderschuit In what sense is it prelest?

[@Las3r_Cat]

do you mean "His blood" as in his sacrifice on the cross, or "His blood" as in the sacrament that every protestant denomination says is "symbolic?" is it "His blood," or is it just a symbol? There is a very important difference here.

[@lodestar3984]

@@Las3r_Cat I took it to mean His sacrifice on the Cross. But I may have just been misreading it.

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[@MaximusAugustusOrthodox]

Glory to Christ and Orthodoxy ☝️☦️

[@stravinskyfan]

glory to Christ alone

[@ead-pv5lb]

​@@stravinskyfanand his church

[@justgaming4fun-]

God doesn’t share His glory

[@joshitv6902]

Most people have forgotten why the Protestant Church was founded in the first place, namely to counteract the corrupt Catholic Church that has misused the Word of God for its own gain.

[@user-dv8bs7tb5c]

True... But as an pretty impartial new believer who is regularly attending a Protestant non mega evangelical church I still am very much interested in orthodoxy as the alternative rejection of Catholicism... The service is amazing... I have questions and a few jumps I have no idea if I would be able to get over like icon veneration and but overall I respect it. They seemed to have tried to do the right thing genuinely. I have a sit down with lead pastor at my current church soon and I'd love to do the same with an orthodox church after attending for a while

[@wonderbuilds6523]

@@FilmnAuraNope, Orthodox church has the same doctrinal problems as the Catholic Church (from the Protestant viewpoint) if not even more. I refer especially to the usage of icons as well as the filioque clause, the rejection of original sin etc. that’s why they didn’t simply join the Orthodox Church.

[@joshitv6902]

@@FilmnAuracry about it karen

[@FilmnAura]

@@joshitv6902 how about actually learn about Christianity instead of simplifying it to just needing the Bible lmao. You don’t know anything besides your little Protestant church near a Pizza Hut💀 actually read the church fathers and learn church history and you’ll never want to be a Protestant again

[@FilmnAura]

@@joshitv6902instead of straying away from the corrupt Catholic Church, the Protestants should have looked back into history and joined the original unchanged orthodox church. The Catholics strayed away from that. Now because of Protestants there are 40,000 different denominations that can’t even comprehend the Bible correctly

[@SupremeSuperiorStick]

As a Muslim I've always appreciated how seriously Orthodox Christianity seems to take the notion of embodying the nature of Christ through action and making tangible sacrifices for the fellow man. What usually bothers people from my background about the Christians we see is that their metaphysical beliefs don't seem to have a tangible influence on "bodily" action in personal life (often appearing indistinguishable from those of atheists), as if they've created a clear divide between the material and spiritual realities. The Orthodox don't seem to struggle with this in the way some other denominations do and I'm interested to look into why that is

[@OrthodoxEthos]

Simple. The grace of God.

[@Vapememes]

I say this out of love and concern, and don't wish to be rude, but I don't think it's right to say that only the Orthodox church allows for people to be transfigured by Christ (which is what seems to be implied by saying the first group is only emotional for Jesus). Many people's lives have been transformed by Christ in other denominations outside of the Eastern Orthodox church. Even if you think the first style of worship is not ideal (which I frankly agree with to an extent) it doesn't mean Christ isn't working in these people. If you want to say that a more liturgical style of worship is more akin to what the apostles practiced and is more reverent, please go ahead and do so! But do not deny the transforming work of the holy Spirit in others in the process.

[@Konvinced89]

This is a false dilemma. Idolatry is no better in venerated icons and opulent robes than in emotion-fueled concerts and sneaker-wearing pastors.

[@boomerking_8616]

Venerated icon to god is not a sin worshipp and veneration god instructioned god to create images Exodus 36:35-37:9

[@boomerking_8616]

Help this helps

[@AllDayML]

Unity without uniformity. God bless all my brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@princeterryjoshuahwhite6094]

You who pit one group of Christians against another are not wise. You do not need religious icons to worship the King of Kings. GOD is A Spirit and is Worshipped in Spirit. All can approach Him, who are willing to forsake all to find Him.

[@kiraalialeeonfairythegreenone]

Love the Orthodox faith... passionate, solemn, intense and beautiful. And within the orthodox faith, the male priests are allowed to marry. My grandfather(and some of his brothers and brothers-in-law)and my great grandfather were orthodox priests. To understand the fullness of human love within a sacred covenant should not be denied. 🙏💛😇

[@sujarandy]

Jesus is Lord! He paid for your sins! By the way, we were all sinners. (that’s our nature without God) Jesus died a very bad death for you. He was nailed to a cross. God (YAHWEH) wants your heart because He loves you. Jesus was the perfect Lamb to sacrifice because He had no blemish. In other words, Jesus never sinned but he died for our sins. He paid the fines for our sins. That’s so crazy because we sin so much in our daily lives! He rose from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit! Jesus was sent by God because He’s God’s own son! He was filled with the Precious Holy Spirit (God’s Spirit) so He had the power over sin! We can receive the Holy Spirit if we do these things: 1. Admit we are a sinner and repent from your sins (turn away from sin) 2. Believe that Jesus is God and He died for you and rose for you 3. Confess that Jesus is Lord. I love you, please take this into action. God loves you, Jesus loves you and the Holy Spirit loves you! You were in Their mind before creation. If you do these things you can have eternal life with God in Heaven! Look at creation, you can tell that there is a creator, the proof: creation. In the same way you know that there was a painter because you can see the painting. God is real and He’s coming to judge the world. It’s not by our own works we get saved but the works of Jesus Christ. Put your trust in Jesus and let the Holy Spirit lead your lives! I love you all, that’s why I am sharing this! I don’t anyone to go to hell! God bless you! Read the Bible!❤️🔥🕊😃

[@kenrodriguez5570]

We are not to judge worship of God, true worship lies in the heart, inclined towards God. God rejoices with both, as long as the heart is brought to God.

[@Child0fGOD]

Please! Watch out! Satan tries to get a foot in the door of the church to split us. Be humble and obidient to Christ, try to love God and your neighbours as yourself! God bless all of you ❤

[@gaetanemcgraw5567]

I am Roman Catholic. I adhere to the Traditional Rites of the Church... the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. I love my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. Comparing Christians serves no purpose at all. It only divides us. We all Love Jesus. We are all united through our Love for Him. Christ will gather all His sheeps from all four corners of the earth. Psalm 100:1-5

[@lodestar3984]

As I understand it, Orthodox Christians do not see you or I as Christians at all, so in their mind it would serve the purpose of bringing us to Christ. But I agree with you that it's pointless.

[@Psawyer555]

I guess I have more respect for Catholics now than orthodox people.

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

This is only difference in appearance. We know that in christianity we shouldnot judge according to appearance. Most important is what is the difference (if there is any) in love towards God and love towards other people including those who dont even know about Christ.

[@센터-x2x]

It doesn't matter whether the church is simple or extravagant. However, if a church has no spiritual energy, it is not a church.

[@daan260]

No, it's much more than that and appearance actually matters. It matters what you wear when you go to church, just like it matters what you wear when you go to a wedding or a sauna or any place you visit. You don't go to a wedding in swimwear and to a public sauna in a fancy suit. What you wear shows your mental state, effects your mental state and effects other people as well. This also goes for the building you worship in, the words that are being spoken, the songs, the physical movements you make, the things you smell etc etc. I mean it's still amazing and beautiful to see an entire stadium worshipping jesus, but it's also still suboptimal. It would be even better if all these people would be in a giant well designed church with a massive altar and all performing ortodox rituals. And even that is suboptimal, but we should at least strife for perfection.

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

@@daan260 i agree in all what you say my brother. And also protestants agree with that. Also they care about clothes and nice buildings. They just understand things differently. We can argue untill we die about what is the best way to serve the Lord. We have oriental orthodox, eastern orthodox, old believers, uniates, roman catholics, lutherans, anglicans, babtists, methodists, charismatics etc. Many sincere people seeks the truth from all of their heart and they end up in different churches. Why exactly MY understanding of real church would be true? Becouse I do understand history and theology better than others? I am EO but OO might be more authentic. I just dont have opportunity to convert to it. And who knows the exatcly right church. Who is that clever when christendom in 1500 has not been agreeing with that. I am not better than those people before me. I just say i cannot understand your ways oh God even that I want. Have mercy on me sinner. And have mercy on us all. I am not one to judge protestants or OO or RC or old believers or anybody.

[@swanson_8804]

Worship is worship and they’re both beautiful.

[@suoinchrist]

100%

[@ammazer1229]

I’d have to respectfully disagree

[@Thanos743]

Their is a reason why it is called praise and worship and I myself had witnessed the holy spirit in these type of so called concerts you guys call ,people cry and shout on top of their lungs praising the lord something which gives me goosebumps to this day I urge my fellow Catholics and orthodox brothers do not just blame it as concerts because of some lighting show but be open minded each and every denomination has its own tradition and we ought to respect it as Christians

[@tomk.2601]

I've experienced the Holy Spirit; numb, dumb struck drunken in the Spirit. It felt as though it suddenly poured over me. I totally fell out and could not keep or get it together until it was done with me. No control whatsoever. I was *VERY SKEPTICAL* before I was ... struck. The Holy Spirit is the real deal, folks.

[@Theguy1244]

@@FilmnAura I’d be extremely careful when labeling potential acts of the spirit as demonic. Ultimately you have no idea what is happening in a person’s heart at that moment. I’d imagine God can use even an “inferior” form of worship to work in a person. Flatly proclaiming it all to be a work of the devil is a slippery road to walk brother.

[@Thanos743]

@kakikukekoh did I say orthodox church dont move you when your they are worshipping? I just say some orthodox and Catholics peps should have a more rational mind and come up with something more constructive on which would we can make sense

[@Србомбоница86]

It's entirely demonic ​@@Theguy1244

[@Србомбоница86]

​@kakikukekohwe simply are not supposed to be emotional

[@PlayWithTheViking]

Orthodox church so beautiful

[@Tobi_Im]

I am a protestant And I have never saw a church like that.

[@JulHe_FIN]

It is pentecostal worship.

[@Teutonic__Knight]

Bro I seen a lot of Protestant churches like that lol

[@loonacyy2081]

I love orthodoxy and have considered converting, but do not discount the protestants, they are also worshipping Jesus. The lord looks at the heart.

[@Anne-mw7jw]

Praise Glory and Honor are yours Lord Jesus

[@pe9147]

While I respect the historical roots and intentions behind ecclesiastical hierarchy and liturgical practices, we must critically assess whether these structures inadvertently recreate the very barriers to God that Jesus dismantled. Jesus critiqued the Pharisees for erecting man-made barriers between people and God through elaborate traditions (Mark 7:6-8). Similarly, when church leadership or sacramental systems suggest we need human mediators beyond Christ Himself, it risks overshadowing the direct access to God that is central to the Gospel (1 Timothy 2:5). The New Testament celebrates the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9), affirming that every Christian has direct access to God through faith in Christ, without additional human-made requirements. While structure and tradition can enrich our faith, they should never become prerequisites that make God seem distant or inaccessible. The simplicity and immediacy of our relationship with God through Christ is the heart of the Gospel.

[@MassachusettsTrainVideos1136]

I disagree more people come to Church because of the worship that the Orthodox have

[@pe9147]

@@MassachusettsTrainVideos1136 I disagree. There are way too many people I know going from orthodoxy to being born again that have said how limited and held back they were from the father. All of the barriers create unnecessary complications which Jesus came to remove.

[@MassachusettsTrainVideos1136]

@@pe9147 Subjective experience I guess for the both of us

[@paulsims4108]

As a catholic I really like orthodoxy keep it up

[@TomasCano-z2x]

Amen ☦️

[@benjirexx]

Come on guys. This competitive spirit has got to stop. The heart of Christ is that we be united in Him. I don't think this type of attitude toward each other blesses God.

[@edwarddonaldspiesjr.8262]

I would rather DIE than live a life without my CATHOLIC FAITH! THE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!

[@warrenarthur5629]

Jesus founded the church, long before any statute of Rome. The gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

[@DavinaMaryMagdalene]

God sees the heart. Orthodox here I watch your content but there is no need to shame in comparison other denominations with subtle prideful undertones in order to reveal our beauty in worship. If they are not against us, they are for us. God rejoices in people who follow him. How we treat our brothers and sisters in Christ and honor his holiness, pleases him. Galatians 6:1-5 Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself. Share each other’s burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ. If you think you are too important to help someone, you are only fooling yourself. You are not that important. Isaiah 58:3-12 The members of Isaiah's audience were fasting for all the wrong reasons! They fasted to get things from God and hypocritically appear righteous.

[@acekoala457]

You're confusing criticism of method with criticism of person. God has set forth how we are to worship Him. Those that offered strange fire were killed by God and His Prophets.

[@DavinaMaryMagdalene]

@@acekoala457the forgive me for incorrectly mistaking one with the other. I will pray for those who are led astray.

[@12Mugur]

@@acekoala457 Hi ! I m Romanian Orthodox, and Protestants are against orthodoxy, they attack & criticize every orthodox video every chance they get … they are always present & annoying. Truth & heresy Does Not mix

[@OrthodoxEthos]

Protestants who worship in this way with rock music and emotional manipulation often feel spiritually empty and know deep inside that what they are doing isn’t bringing them closer to God. Many of them are looking for something deeper and more sober, something spiritual rather than merely emotional and sentimental. This is for them.

[@living_orthodox]

As a former Protestant, after “worship” I went home feeling tired and empty. Now as an Orthodox priest I am tired after services, but not the same way and certainly not empty.

[@DL-rl9bd]

Orthodox Church may not follow modern music and style, but it does follow that of the 11th century. So in the 11th century it was following the culture of that time and has remained there. I’m neither Protestant, Orthodox…or Roman Catholic, but the Protestant looks more authentic while the orthodox looks very religious, traditional, and archaic with people in costumes and a lot of extra bells and whistles. I don’t see why one has the moral high ground, when it’s the intention that matters.

[@OrthodoxEthos]

The liturgy of the Orthodox Church is based on the worship of the Apostles which has elements of both synagogue and temple worship of the Judaism of their time.

[@techelitesareadisease8816]

Religious, traditional, and "archaic" are all positive things. You are a Christian without being religious? Preposterous, ridiculous, and frankly laughable. New age ideas have bled into and utterly corrupted your perspective of the world.

[@rub23n]

how did you choose the 11th century? Lol. Maybe the 1st century?

[@TheBroLounge]

Why so much aversion to being religious? You call an orthodox priests garb a costume but do you call out the worldly dress of many Protestant churches?

[@asto5767]

@@TheBroLounge Cuz this is clearly an eastern vs western cultural dichotomy based argument. The only ones I see hyper fixating on the traditions and garbs are white people that want Christianity but with a more exotic, ancient feel to it. Us brown people understand both forms of worship as equally valid and don't try to sensationalize it. David danced and played instruments for God, but no one dances in an orthodox church. Was David wrong for this?

[@christinanaos9117]

Jesus Christ us Love. We are ONE in CHRIST United in LOVE AMEN

[@sunnyz2074]

Orthodox is the OG

[@samuelborchers8114]

Are both not done in spirit and in truth? One could argue that maybe the leaders of one or another are not, but surely you can’t accuse every individual of lacking spirit and truth simply because of the format!

[@witchreturns2263]

Ones come for the emotions, others for the eternal life and to speak with God

[@raymond7880]

Protestantism is a social club and essentially a rock concert. Its about ME ME ME having a good time. Not about me WORSHIPING the Lord.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

There's no reason someone's relationship with the Divine can't go both ways lol

[@northstar2621]

You have no idea what Protestantism is. But your goal is not to know amyway; it is to feel superior so I'll leave you to it. Enjoy, and don't let facts come in the way of your feelings. "ME ME ME"

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@northstar2621 I don't know how anyone can imply with a straight face that Protestantism is egotistical. I would think Catholicism, which relies on man being able to be equal to God, should be seen as the egotistical one.

[@asto5767]

orthodox Christians on the internet are modern day Pharisees that went "church shopping" because they see God as a marketplace, just like how the Pharisees turned the temple into one. You're selling a brand to gain followers instead of evangelizing the Gospel. How come Protestants do their part in spreading the good news yet Orthodox only stick to their own cultures? Even Catholics have the most mission trips yet Orthodoxy opts not to expand the kingdom. It's because there is a spirit of pride that works among you and refuses to plant the seed of God in people's hearts.

[@JonathanBuchnik-lt7vz]

The song they are singing in beginning is older than any form of Christianity. It is the Aaronic Blessing. The words they are singing are from the Bible. Much love from a brother in Christ.

[@225Joshua]

Both of these videos are beautiful.

[@robertwright2615]

Amen

[@PaperParade]

I used to think that stadium full of people singing Christian songs was the most beautiful thing possible, when I was Protestant. But now I see that so much better, a more perfect way, is possible; and that a Church that is truly One, who exemplifies Christ genuinely, is not only possible, but already exists and has for two thousand years.

[@ntlearning]

Not me. Can’t stand bhuddist chanting ….

[@austinditullio6682]

​@@ntlearning what?? This is a Christian channel

[@Razamaniac]

@@ntlearning lol dood

[@Presbapterian]

Wrong. 1. Chanting is NOT UNIQUE to the easterners. Many reformational churches do. Some Eastern Orthodox churches have also used musical instruments to accompany them singing. You can easily browse "Greek Orthodox Church with Keyboard Instrument" on KZbin. The use of musical instruments in the liturgy is NOT UNIQUE to the reformational churches. 2. Protestantism is a system, NOT an ecclesial body. Churches adhering to this system include Moravians, Anglicans, Lutherans, Reformed, Credobaptist, etc. They all affirm the apostolic teaching preserved before, during, and after the reformation. Similarly, Ecclesialism is a system, NOT an ecclesial body. Churches affirming this system include: - Genuine/True Eastern Orthodox - World Eastern Orthodox - Various streams of Oriental Orthodox - Old Believers - Assyrian Church of the East - Ancient Church of the East - Roman Catholics - Sedevacantists - etc. Each of them believes that their church alone is the one true church, and those other bodies are anathema. 3. Charismaticism is also present in Eastern Orthodoxy; you can easily find it in the St. Symeon the New Theologian brotherhood and other similar interjurisdiction societies of priests and laities. Fr. Eusebius Stephanou, Fr. Timothy Cremeens, and so many other priests.

[@austinditullio6682]

@Realyout There's Christ One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church(body)- Eastern Orthodoxy, and then there is the Heterodox. You're not in His church, my brother.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

I am a Lutheran and this is why I keep to the traditional services in my church. The less like the world my church is, the more I can rest my soul inside God’s house.

[@Lichcrafter]

Protestants: *exits Orthodox: "And I took that personally."

[@PilgrimXIII]

I grew up going to the concert churches and I’m gonna tell all of you who’re making assumptions… you’re pretty spot on. It just feels empty and exhausting, not to mention they have you getting up stupidly early so they can fit in all the music stars. And although I still love me some Stephen Crowder, I definitely was not wholly worshiping God when screaming the lyrics and jumping up and down to ‘Weary Sinner.’

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

LOL don't you mean Dave Crowder? I saw him live in 2014 during the Neon Steeple tour. He's a very talented musician but it's not worship music. I discovered Orthodoxy in 2019 and it was (and is) heaven on earth.

[@justgaming4fun-]

I believe it depends on the person. How is the persons heart on this moments, truly focused on God or on the atmosphere. Both can be true worship, that’s why salvation is individual

[@PilgrimXIII]

@@justgaming4fun- I’d argue that you are correct but this also goes back to Christ’s parable of the seeds. In certain environments, the seeds may grow only to meet obstacles. Ones that must be removed so that they can continue to flourish.

[@olijomusic2481]

However, it's dishonest to say that protestant churches are like that. There's some corrupt mega churches that are protestant, and there's also corrupted orthodox churches that support killing their brothers in Christ, in Ukraine.

[@stellam1137]

What matters is that all of them are giving glory to God

[@ChopinIsMyBestFriend]

You forget there’s small churches. Protestants aren’t all charismatic mega church concert attendees. Most are just in a typical baptist church or something and have a choir and hymn book which they sing a few songs then the preacher does a sermon for an hour. this isn’t typical

[@godsaveskyrieeleison5859]

Glory to God. One is a strip mall congregation and the other is a reflection of heavenly worship as is pleasing to God. St Paul saw this when he had visions of paradise. He saw altar, incense, prayer, choirs and ceasless prayer. Glory to God in the Highest ☦️🙏

[@Serquss]

I'm Catholic and I love my Orthodox brothers and sisters.

[@orthodoxia.occidentalis]

Orthodoxy is based and I'm a Catholic🇻🇦

[@acekoala457]

This is the official position of the 2nd Vatican Council.

[@havefaith4382]

why be catholic when you can be the original christian aka orthodox lol

[@solianaabera7475]

✝️ ❤️❤️❤️

[@YowaiMo821]

Christ is one❤

[@FiteTheGoodFight]

First one is entertainment. Second one is worship

[@reneekatsifos2641]

Glory be to Father Son and Holy Spirit ☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️ Kyrie Eleison!!!!

[@BillSikes.]

Beholders of the creed ☦️

[@evagorgonio3737]

Amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@OnlyBugmenWantedHandles]

Not having the apostolic liturgical form of worship and going off to use worldly machines and ideas in an attempt to praise God is like not having the apostolic authority of a bishop, and going off to use worldly machines and ideas to praise the church. We should always be seeking the deep traditional roots of the faith.

[@frederickanderson1860]

Nonsense you afraid you be contaminated with this evil world, read john chapter 3 v 16, God himself so loved the world in every generation, so you guys just take refuge in ceremonial tradition that is totally false impression of heaven on earth.

[@1970Akritas]

Many protestants are like the five-year-old child who, having played with their matchbox cars and their Tonka trucks, feels empowered to tell the adults who built the car, wrote the manual for the car, and have been driving the car all their lives, that they don't know how to drive a car. Ο έχων ώτα ακούειν, ακουέτω!

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@1970Akritas love thy neighbor is obviously not in your Manuel

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@1970Akritas sure you are in God's image.

[@1970Akritas]

@@frederickanderson1860 And from my comment you gather that I have no love of neighbor, huh? Speaking truth, friend, is an act of love. I would love for all to come to the knowledge of truth. That happens in the Church. I would love for all to be in the Church!

[@abrahamnasri5862]

Hallelujah ❤