The Disaster of Adin Ross and Kick.com

[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

Check out the newest episode of the Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boakaJ5ugMmdl5o

[@IceSpiceyIcey]

Hola

[@tacotime3094]

Hello

[@urlocaleshay]

Yuuuur

[@tacotime3094]

@Don't Read My Profile Picture Not this again

[@militantpacifist4087]

MEOWTH! THAT’S RIGHT!

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

You know, I'm thankful that I am at an age where I barely know half the "celebrities" that Mutahar and Charlie often highlight whenever drama strikes and I am much happier for not knowing any of them. That doesn't mean I can't laugh at their misfortunes whenever these celebs do something stupid. And also, just hearing Adin attempting to pronounce words his mind can't comprehend made my soul leave my body.

[@budgetbajur]

It's a weird trend where most top streamers nowadays are dimwits.

[@killjoytroy]

@@budgetbajur specifically the ones that always think they’re spittin facts

[@MikeJ122o]

Seeing rich idiots fail and mess up their career brings satisfaction to me. I'm broke af. Big influencers who are bad people on the inside (ex: Elon pushing his right wing political views onto his platform) will fail and fall off hard or gain a child audience.

[@jimmyramirez7377]

@@budgetbajur half the time they’re just ordinary people living in society, until anyone like them or you, get the spotlight

[@budgetbajur]

@@jimmyramirez7377 haha, no.

[@MortimerZabi]

I just hate how some travelers don't realize that when you're in a foreign country, you have practically zero legal protections because the local constitution doesn't apply to you. You should be at your best behavior. That streamer in Japan was doubly annoying because Japan has very strict substantive and procedural criminal laws even if you ARE a citizen--for starters the cops can interrogate you without an attorney for a certain number of hours depending on the charge. Lord, you're a guest whenever you travel. Your existence hinges on the tolerance of the people around you. Your freedoms don't exist. Act like a civilized human being because no one is obliged to do the same to you and it's only reciprocal morality that keeps you safe.

[@jonusaguilar8156]

I feel like it should also be a basic common courtesy to not be a Logan Paul.

[@PhonePhone-sf8te]

He isn't a traveler, he fled america for legal reasons and has been living in japan for 8 years, taught preschoolers, and does hard drugs while streaming. also he can't speak more than 3 words of japanese even after living there for 8 years.

[@EnaTenkiyoGamer]

@@PhonePhone-sf8te ouch

[@MortimerZabi]

@@PhonePhone-sf8te damn that's even worse, Japan will crucify you for drugs.

[@09RHYS]

Well said dude 👌🏻

[@MacMens0100]

I hate how alternatives to youtube/twitch are always like "hey if you got banned come here" when you could do the least to be better than either site

[@AltraHapi]

Mixer had some things to differentiate from twitch/youtube but that also died off

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

@macariosmensah7133 lol, good point. "We'll take all the other streaming service rejects"

[@CaffeinatedFrostbite]

@@bulkvanderhuge9006 they arent rejects. they are people who were banned for bs reasons because twitch is garbage

[@AD-lh3jk]

@@AltraHapi what was unique about mixer?

[@AltraHapi]

@user-bp9fe8ns6c at the time had some of the best latency from the stream to the viewer, also had some sort of system where you could controll or affect the game the streamer was playing

[@Armo_93]

I was going to say Adin has the brain of a 12 y/o but that's an insult to 12 year olds. He said Kick has no terms of service. I'd laugh my ass off if he got banned from it after getting perma'd from twitch. That's honestly what he deserves.

[@matguimond92]

more like brain of a 9 year old who thinks he's all bad for swearing and staying up late

[@worm1533]

He would never get banned from Kick because he's the main reason Stake (i don't know the official spelling) made the platform. He and other gambling streamers are what the platform is for.

[@housemouseshorts]

also says men can't be raped and can not be victems of abuse or sexual assult. Thats far more disgusting.

[@ntl219]

Don't you think Adin gets paid to do all this? It is like the YE situation on steroids. He self-sabotages his image like crazy after Andrew Tate's stuff.

[@oz_jones]

@ItzSyakirin get your meds

[@Madashell1200]

He's got that attitude where he got away with stuff for so long that he thinks he can do no wrong now.

[@dumbassdude8372]

" I dont condone porn" proceeds to display porn

[@Dstryrr]

Just like a certain bald guy that Adin Ross looks up to 💀

[@hsbhvbhchsachhvxvashvchzvc8214]

@@dumbassdude8372 he just does whatever Andrew tate does LOL like I’ve probably never seen someone with less substance than adin ross

[@zunzwak4482]

He was banned even tough he wasn't streaming as he got warned prior to being banned, that he would be banned if he continues with the self improvement content. Also there are only 2 genders.

[@FRareDom]

@@hsbhvbhchsachhvxvashvchzvc8214 nah tate is smart, adin was already stupid before that anyways

[@dragonise13]

Hi I’m Paul.

[@internettrash5120]

Hey, Paul 🪓

[@HattieJosh]

Hello Paul, how are you

[@zutril]

Hey Paul I’m Paul

[@seigyert5245]

Hi paul

[@yigakong1187]

DNA Productions

[@doctorgears9358]

My tinfoil conspiracy is because Kick is so intertwined with the gambling industry, they managed to prevent the hammer coming down onto them. Sports betting is one of the biggest sponsors for the NFL, after all. It's irrelevant where the site is hosted. If an industry that has billions of dollars pumping through wants someone to fry, someone's going to fry.

[@AnnaVictrix]

This is interesting. IMO all sports are rigged. Not the athletes but they even found that “one” ref with mob ties and claimed it was only him lol.

[@TheUnreliableNarrator64]

I could agree with this forsure. I didn't even think about it like that. If the NFL gets money from them for a sports book why would they go after them for 100k people if the profits are way higher from the bets. Maybe they found a loophole....

[@kinghassy334]

good point

[@snowmorgan4115]

@@TheUnreliableNarrator64 cause sports bets doesnt effect the sports?

[@snowmorgan4115]

@@AnnaVictrix it has nothing to do with sport bet sites. the bosses bet with themselves, thats why they rig it so the big boss doesnt owe the other boss a mil or two for lossing. people really look to deep into things

[@SomeBsMovie]

Someone already pointed it out, but Kick might just survive by people falling into the gambling scam.

[@EC-bp6qn]

Im gonna cream

[@TheDarkResurge]

gambling scam? explain how its a scam?

[@TheCommanderTaco]

​@@TheDarkResurge maybe not so much a scam, but money laundering perhaps? It could be argued as a scam as they are promoting themselves as a platform by the streamer for the streamer when it's a possibility it's just to advertise gambling ( especially if it gets proven a big investor 9f theirs is a gambling site which as was pointed out in this video there is already a link pointing too that).

[@ArgelTal_]

@@TheDarkResurge its literally gambling first of all. and second, the streamers get higher chances and even money to gamble, from the online casinos, so it looks for people watching, like you can win more. Luring people to gamble there too and getting addicted. Its propably not textbook scam, but its still something that should be forbidden.

[@ReyOfLight727]

@@TheDarkResurge it is a scam. Gambling rules is "the house is always wins"

[@mojiyoru6441]

Now that I'm an adult, him playing actual porn to a bunch of his presumably teen audience is so weird. As a teen I would have thought it was funny. But now it's just weird

[@AnDr3w066]

Seems like those teens need better parents and not his fault at all

[@thegrimharvest]

@@AnDr3w066 Half agree. Equal parts of blame to go around here. Also... "I do not support (×). I don't. I do not endorse it. So what (×) do you guys want? How old are you guys?" Wow. No words.

[@AnDr3w066]

@@thegrimharvest not at all. An adult is doing something legal that it is for him to do and he is streaming a gambling game on a platform that is supported by that. The streamer is not a babysitter. That is on the parents. As far as P goes. The age verification process is up to site to monitor not the streamer. He is just entertaining. The responsibility is on the parents to make sure kids don’t watch adin ross. The responsibility to age gate his stream for gambling and p is on the platform.

[@thegrimharvest]

@@AnDr3w066 Agree the platform should have some form of age verification, fair point. Didn't cross my mind that the end user could be required to age verify. If the site uses an age verification system more substantial than "what year were you born in? Are you sure you were born in 1927? Promise? Ok. Good enough." Then, yes, under those circumstances, I would agree the streamer doesn't have the obligation to make sure his stream isn't being viewed by minors. It would be reasonable to expect that the website had done the basic due diligence to prevent such a problem. And if minors were able to get around the site's good faith reasonable attempt to prevent access, then the fault lies 100% on the parents. If the age verification is "Are you 18 yes no? Is it legal to view this in your location yes no?" and we're going with "the honor system", sure, it's still largely the parents' fault, but Id say that the streamer still holds some accountability. 80/20 split parents/streamer, even 90/10, but the streamer still ought to bear some small part of it. Just my take. Granted, the site itself would/should bear responsibility too, but they might be able to legalese their way out of responsibility by dumping the blame onto the individual streamer, and odds are they almost certainly would, if they could. What I find interesting, from the clip provided, is him asking for everyone's ages involved. To be fair, that might've been a joke on his part, and I simply didn't pick up on it. Because what it looked like, at least to me, was that he was uncertain about the age range of his audience and was trying to CYA. I still find it absurd to claim not to support something, then turn around and ask your audience if they want you to engage in or interact with that exact same thing, but that's just me trying to be consistent. I'm not in the position of a streamer being dependent on keeping an audience. But even if I was, I still wouldn't livestream "gently caressing" videos, especially if there's any chance a minor was watching my stream. I wouldn't want to get invited with a no knock Party Van surprise mechanic and have to deal with the possible legal consequences. I especially wouldn't want to try my luck in court with "but the kid clicked yes twice, your honor!" defense. That, and the fact I don't support or endorse it, and even if I did, I still wouldn't be livestreaming it for an audience of people I know absolutely nothing about. That's asking for trouble and seems entirely unnecessary, especially if I was making my bank from promoting gambling to crypto bros and addicts (arbitrary Patrick Star "what's the difference?" joke)

[@AnDr3w066]

@@thegrimharvest again the streamer literally doesn’t. The streamers job and responsibility is to entertain that is it. A streamer has no responsibility to some minor with bad parents. The streamer has no responsibility to what age verification methods that a platform should implement. That is the responsibility of the platform since its their platform. Its unrealistic to put an entertainer into a guardian position over complete strangers.

[@SadNYGuy]

Adin Ross is a perfect example of why not everyone should have a platform

[@OfficialXVideos]

Ah yes, this man must be so strongly against porn to stream it.

[@TheCommanderTaco]

One must face the abyss to confront it lol.

[@evoluckievo]

@@TheCommanderTaco adins a hypocrite he called packgod a pedo and then said he didnt

[@OfficialXVideos]

@ItzSyakirin man you gotta stop reading whatever gay fanfiction you is reading

[@evoluckievo]

@ItzSyakirin ??????

[@evoluckievo]

@@OfficialXVideos he had no grammar bro didn't even watch the vid.....

[@MysticMylesZ]

Unfortunately, the people in Japan disturbed by the 40 year old teen might not see it as a Kick thing and more of a Content creator as a whole thing

[@zepo82]

Well they got Pewdiepie, at least he calmed down and was never that bad really.

[@ozzyprod9332]

@@zepo82 what even happened to him? Now imma gonna look how many subs he has

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Yeah.

[@nothingtoseehere8771]

And they wouldn't even be wrong, I don't get why streamers making an ass of themselves in foreign countries became a trend.

[@TheLonelyMoon]

honestly the whole site reminds me of those homework we did as a kid about "what would you do if you were a president" "im gonna ban school" "free candies" "unlimited gaming time"

[@Supraem]

March 5th, 2023

[@shen4379]

@@Supraem Why are you posting random dates in this video’s comment section?

[@acshuley]

March 5th, 2023

[@TheLonelyMoon]

March 5th, 2023

[@shen4379]

March 5th, 2023

[@easy_eight2810]

Adin Ross got like multiple bans before a permanent one meanwhile we don't even know what Pyrocynical got banned for, Twitch's consistency at its finest.

[@shahan484]

Pyro is banned? Wow

[@kroh7742]

"Fat Pyro mod incident" is the reason for ban 😔

[@andrewryan2928]

​@@kroh7742 it was on KZbin

[@itrymybest1]

pyro didn't get banned, he had his partner program taken from him by twitch after they allowed him in

[@StevePhoenix]

I love how they promote Kick for its "clearer" ToS and yet Kick's guidelines for sexual content are significantly more vague than Twitch's.

[@Astrothunder_]

sex addict

[@thetrashcanman7537]

Oh yeah so much more vague like how twitch only suspends women having sex on it for 7 days but permabans people for being misogynistic

[@navyscroll]

yeah but they don’t enforce it nearly as hard as twitch lmfao

[@matthewofmoo22]

Bro i heard someone got banned for streaming porn on something called "Kick" and my immediate mind though "oh they mean the messaging app thats now filled with scammers and catfish "KIK" which has tons of cam models on it what's the big surprise?" this guy picked the absolutely worst name

[@katherinec4360]

When I heard about this in a different video, I thought it was Kik. Then I see it spelled out an I'm like.. ohhhh ok yeah that's a weird branding choice

[@wallyhackenslacker]

KIK? The same KIK from the left-pad fiasco? Oh my, how the turntables!

[@cheefqueef6494]

Damn, I remember Kik

[@SwooshJush83]

Same lmao I was so confused

[@miomimomiro]

I thought this too. Like when some tubers talked about ”Adin making a new deal with Ki(c)k” my first thought was ”KIK? WHAT KIND OF A DEAL WOULD YOU EVEN STRIKE ON THERE?”

[@Captain_Bobvious]

I see the potential with Kick, but I had this exact thought earlier today. I think they could potentially have the money to sustain things for quite a while, honestly depending how far in the red they're willing to go. But the bad apples are going to end up spoiling the bunch. Adin Ross is picking some insanely weird hills to die on, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up banned on Kick too at some point.

[@randomuserame]

He can already be banned on Kick for streaming adult content, live sports is also banned..... they just don't enforce it becausae they need an audience so they can go to advertisers and say "look how many viewers you can advertise to" and then the advertisers will say "you need rules against XYZ, then we're in" This is EXACTLY what YT did. They built a "lawless" environment to attract people, and then once they had them, they started killing off competitors before they get get started, while simultaneously eliminating the "bad apples" that interfere with advertiser money. Except now they have a market share that's so large that they switched to Phase 2: transforming YT into the next "host body" for MSM, hollywood, and elite-controlled entertainment. The entire point of Google buying YT those years ago was to eventually turn it into the next tv where they get to decide who gets famous, when, for what reasons, and just generally control the "fame apparatus". Independent creators was NOT the actual intent, and is in fact the WORST thing to have in Google's YT, because they can't control information or the spreading of "unapproved knowledge". While Stake isn't google, and they might not have the "phase 2" they will still need to take on advertisers OR peddle gambling to literal children in order to maintain the "95/5" split... which is unsustainable otherwise. And peddling gambling to children is something they WILL be answering to governments for (and so that won't last).

[@NrettG]

Active growth on Kick is insane as well. I hope Kick succeeds because they make the requirements for affiliate extremely easy. It's only 75 followers and 5 hours of streaming which for the followers will just flow like a river once they start following.

[@zeening]

@@NrettG wut????????? i thought their whole fucking thing was *EVERYONE GETS A SUB BUTTON* now you suddenly need to be a fking affiliate?????

[@NrettG]

@@zeening Dude it's two requirements and you can get it done. Can't give money to everyone who doesn't do a simple task.

[@navyscroll]

hes not getting banned on kick

[@theroyalcat7010]

Parenthesizing Drake as a "Toronto-based rapper" is so utterly hilarious to me

[@amazingme894]

Lmao im still wondering why he chose those words

[@megamangman]

It was a cringe, very out of touch way of describing the largest artist in the world currently.

[@ndimuafrica]

@@megamangman your comment is cringe.

[@megamangman]

@@ndimuafrica nice comeback, champ.

[@shahan484]

@@megamangman Drake is definitely not the largest artist in the world lol. He has some bangers because of tiktok trends but not everyone listens to him. I'd even say Taylor Swift is bigger than Drake .

[@theBoomerDoomer]

Every time I watch a video like this, I get just a little bit closer to putting all of my electronic devices into an industrial shredder and moving to the mountains to live out my days as a hermit.

[@07kamichamakarin]

Gambling is not merely banned for no reason but since mass of fans of this dunce are also on a risk of becoming gambling addicts and ruin their lives, it's a good thing twitch banned it... and Adin.

[@thebullofkiev8824]

India is a walking L

[@letsgotomarsman]

Ok cry baby

[@flintfrommother3gaming]

​@@letsgotomarsman Ok, let's go to mars type guy

[@SuperMuffinNinja0]

You kinda sound like you are crying about crypto gambling or some idiot though dude.

[@weissni]

@@letsgotomarsman its true why tf should you promote gambling

[@alecholland]

Adin, a 20 something dude with a negative IQ and kindergarten level language skills, is the perfect spokesman for Kick 😂

[@elisam.r.9960]

@Syakirin.34. What kind of Wattpad fanfiction am I reading?

[@1fellswoop614]

@Elisa M.R. gacha kids wildin

[@FraZzJ]

He's already filthy rich so he doesn't see a need to filter or moderate himself. He's gonna sink himself, and possibly sink Kick with him.

[@EnaTenkiyoGamer]

@@elisam.r.9960 a bot

[@pureog1479]

Him trying to pronounce ultranationalist was sad 😂

[@aussierule]

Adin the type of guy to just sign the dotted line without reading a single word.

[@ghoultooth]

@@endsequence94 😂😂

[@sublime90]

because he doesnt know how to read

[@ZaWrldo]

Dylan Danis level

[@chadmarx7718]

Tbf, he literally can't read

[@lasskinn474]

tbf if you can't read and nobody read it to you either the contract isn't enforceable.

[@klok1014]

Imagine creating a streaming platform thats generous to the streamers and allows them to earn much more money just to get Adin Rossed

[@Skoopyghost]

As a gambling addict who kicked the habbit. Fock people like Adin Rose. You don't know how you sleep at night.

[@dopebossgamerz]

It was bad before it got Adin Rossed

[@hunteroxendine4610]

Bro didn’t even watch the video lmao

[@FaeAvalon]

This comment is funnier than it should be 💀😂

[@brobocops]

Imagine making a 28 minute video shilling for Twitch and the status quo, Muta and Charlie playing internet police is so fucking cringe.

[@westcoastboy4970]

how does a foreigner go to another country and yell at them to speak english lmfao

[@SaltyAsTheSea]

On a planet with possibilities numbering those of the stars and more, we're doomed to host such humans with the brain capacity on par with some lowly aquatic creatures. It's inevitable, and so we must remember to learn, and never stop, lest we become the swamp crawlers and primordial cretins we so greatly despise. Stay intellectual friend-o :) and remember to understand the background that may have formed his idiotic words. Plus, someone will always be there to kick their ass if they don't decide to be open enough to learn, lol.

[@sharkhammr]

​@Cutthroat Alex what fucking tourists have you met that demanded Americans speak their language? The worst I've ever seen is them saying their English isn't good and asking if you speak their language.

[@lizardman7718]

@Bill Clinton Enjoyer yeah it’s actually the opposite lol. I’ve seen WAY more Americans mad at foreigners (non-white foreigners to be exact) for not “assimilating” to American culture than I have seen foreigners trying to “change” American culture.

[@jira6423]

@cutthroatalex7291 are you living in real life or incel forums?

[@Zeunknown1234]

Most likely incel forums.​@@jira6423

[@RobinLundqvist]

I would love to see that guy blasting skrillex in the New York subway at night instead, then see him keep that same attitude when it isn't somebody shorter and skinnier than him. One can only dream.

[@thesultrystrangerdanger6824]

I'm glad I made it into adulthood never learning what "Skrillex" was!🥳🥳🤔

[@ArDeeMee]

@@thesultrystrangerdanger6824 It’s just dubstep, nothing fancy. People blow everything out of proportion, as per usual.

[@WillOnSomething]

Try doing that on the MBTA in Boston, you'll get your ass kicked in several different ways.

[@thesultrystrangerdanger6824]

@@ArDeeMee I'm 35 I don't really know wtf dubstep is....

[@mr.crowgamer6250]

That adin dude not knowing what fascism is is literally our whole generation nowadays a bunch of uneducated grunts

[@dougsmalls5459]

Yet you and your ilk embrace Marxism and communism; the most evil, deadly ideologies in existence

[@hiperion_1416]

Tbf most people attacking him doesnt also know what fascism is

[@TheCommanderTaco]

If you think that is terrible check out Critikal's video on him. The dude literally gets confused at the idea that a guy can also be a r@#$ victim.

[@mr.crowgamer6250]

@@hiperion_1416 idk if that was some kind of aim towards me lol I defo know what fascism is 😂 I’m a history nerd so I know about all different type of government forms throughout history but yh

[@hiperion_1416]

@@mr.crowgamer6250 no, It wasnt towards you

[@ItsTickingTime]

I love how the website is basically the exact same, but they literally just use the opposite color for their accent colors.

[@Supraem]

April 28th, 2023

[@isthatyoursomnomnom]

The slow, public self-destruction of Adin Ross is going to make a lot of content creators happy.

[@diligent3825]

Eat ur words just watch…

[@OrQuattroIDK]

I'd say it has been rather quick

[@Nocturnewashere]

@@diligent3825 Unnecessary dickriding

[@priffu5160]

@@diligent3825 I think a lot of people would love watching that boy fall from his golden pedestal

[@aurealite]

@@diligent3825 "eat your words?"

[@DVNGXR]

Honestly hope some of these new companies actually see some success. Twitch and KZbin need some competition, having basically monopolies allows them to do whatever they want and ignore their communities and creators.

[@hunterklaras8043]

I know rumble been growing and have there own cloud and is competition with KZbin

[@vheataylorsyorkies7215]

Yep I agree, competition is good, and twitch has been top dog for way too long. A little good competition will hopefully force twitch to get their act together

[@okilladmityouarerightbut4827]

@@hunterklaras8043 rumble isn’t bad I just wish they would make the UI more streamlined like how KZbin’s UI is

[@jazzratoon]

Adin Ross is like someone telling you in school "I'm gonna skip school and become a great streamer for everybody." and forgets the everybody part.

[@ypp736]

the only way Kick can survive is by gambling & porn advertising.

[@Hank..]

Watching Adin Ross struggle to pronounce "ultranationalist" reminded me of that Drake and Josh clip of Drake saying "South Ah-Ma-Rica"

[@Shadow.Darkraven]

I don't think I want to be on any platform where someone sniffs the chair where someone was just sitting lol

[@Ligmaballin]

Yet here you are

[@navyscroll]

ur on youtube theres so much worse things here lmfao

[@yammt3148]

Adin's really fallen off the wagon since his husband's arrest... .

[@meowser1905]

And they don't allow conjugal visits either

[@yammt3148]

​@@meowser1905The Matrix got 'em.

[@meowser1905]

@@yammt3148 Adin can fuck Andrew if he goes into the Matrix?

[@Mortreed]

nah its his sugar daddy

[@Precookedfish]

Ever since his girl left him hes been showing how much of a smooth brain he is

[@09RHYS]

Hey Muta! Just wanted to say a big thanks for all your videos man, I've always really enjoyed your content and I've definitely learned a great deal over the years from you! Keep up the excellent work as well as the positive and based vibes bro. Also give my regards to Nux & Oompa for the incredibly stellar podcast you guys make every week, it is a strong highlight of my weekend for sure and I really appreciate all the work you guys put into your channels & being all-round great people. I hope you have a great year in 2023 man and wish you all the very best! Big love from the UK ❤️☮️🇬🇧 "But Mutaaa" Tbh I agree with you 100% on every point you made here as well without question. He really is an absolute muppet.. lmao 😆

[@kevinross6235]

Alternative streaming platforms seem to attract some pretty unhinged people

[@iamperplexed4695]

Like deer people and furries. Can't get more unhinged.

[@mostradamus108]

@@iamperplexed4695 you can get way more unhinged than that. Like furries with an affinity for …well, an affinity for the former Axis powers.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

It's the law of last platform. Any new service will immediately be swarmed by people banned off the last platform unless they enact the same stuff that kicked off those banned people and fail to distinguish themselves in the process. This is why getting ban-happy is never a good idea. You punt these people off into the dark corners of the internet where they take refuge and breed.

[@Barbaturixsson]

​@Syakirin.34.😂😂😂😂😂 laugh at this man

[@agenericaccount3935]

​@@mostradamus108 Thats not very unhinged.

[@DankGank]

Kick is blitzscaling, like Mixer. Once thr growth slows down, Stake and the other investors will push for profitability and Kick's split will end up being just as high as Twitch's

[@tomh6010]

I think the only think you may have missed is the fact some 'advertisers' just don't care; I can honestly see kick getting filled with adverts for random shady start-ups and and popups saying 'horny women are in your area'. If they don't care about what content is being shown on their platform, why would they care who they advertise? Money is money, and as long as it doesn't directly compete with Stake there's no reason to worry about what the mainstream advertisers would want.

[@ghostassassin1107]

Letting Adin Ross on your platform was just asking for trouble. But that gambling man has gotta go somewhere because Twitch no longer allows it.

[@AnDr3w066]

Trouble? You meant to say viewers.

[@Jet_Art]

Had a radio host make the decision to move from twitch to kick because of the financial push and 95% and same day incentive. And even went as far as trying to convince me to stream there. Saying that you could stream whatever you want to kick as well. Eventually I gave up just trying to illustrate the point when they not only the radio host but the entire subset of creator's he was pulling were roasting me because I was an idiot for not moving to kick. I just prefer to not put all my eggs in one basket for it to drop out of said basket. History repeats itself after mixer.

[@ArDeeMee]

Good on you for refusing to move to the page financed by stealing from addicts. 👍

[@black_horse_lover2655]

So, where are your eggs?

[@mephdlop]

If Kick is really taking such a laissez faire approach to moderation on copyrighted materials, there's a good chance that its not running out of money from investors/sponsors that does it in. I can see them being done in by being stripped of their section 230 protections for failing to moderate in good faith, thus opening the floodgates to being sued alongside their streamers.

[@syraxiis8692]

Funny cause the Supreme Court just kicked back down a bill that would have held these sites accountable for it's moderation.

[@dieauferstehung]

its literally a Promotion site for Stake, owned by stake they make money off of the misery of others of Gambling addicts

[@hung8969]

Kick will go away. But it will bleed investors first. All I watch on kick is illegal rebroadcasting

[@jesuszamora6949]

Well, it'll likely stick around as long as it's based offshore, which it almost certainly is. It'll be interesting how long it lasts as a loss leader, though.

[@jeltje50]

I applaud you for using laissez-faire

[@gamergirlblu5278]

Thinking about copyrighted material not being able to be streamed, it reminds me of how I got called a complete and total dunderhead (in the mean way) because I didn’t know rickroll was copyrighted. I was just upset you couldn’t rickroll streamers anymore, I didn’t know this copyright all songs on twitch thing was such a big deal. They didn’t have to be so harsh about it, though...

[@Code7Unltd]

Sounds like Mutahar forgot about the "Cookie's Bustle" situation...

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

The fuck is a dunderhead?

[@TacticalSanta]

This is mainly a problem with DMCA and ridiculous copyright around music. Twitch would get a crazy amoutn of DMCA notices so they mute your vods if you play copyrighted music.

[@gamergirlblu5278]

@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Am I speaking in the language of the old ones? Edit: saw this, laughed, looked up the definition to make sure my brain didn't misremember and I don't think I've ever laughed that hard before

[@s4juliette]

Tbh i think "dunderhead" is a pretty light insult for not realizing a song would be copyrighted

[@mikifauns]

15:59 Him trying to pronounce "ultranationalist" killed me.

[@yesnutches]

I think we can all agree that it doesn't matter what type of music they're playing, If they're palying it loud on a speaker in public places they are the worst.

[@chronenojysk5107]

I find it funny how Kick does not allow “Suggestive Content” while Twitch is very relaxed with 18+ Content.

[@hunterklaras8043]

There been sexual content on kick also btw

[@chronenojysk5107]

@@hunterklaras8043 the TOS if enforced and with proper moderation would prohibit suggestive content. But on Twitch, there are alot of Artist who draw Soft-Core Porn, along with Vtubers with bonga donkers.

[@marvingomez9564]

@@hunterklaras8043 I just checked and theres a literal "pron" stream

[@bogwitchsophie]

I'm a line editor for a newspaper. This "man" can't say "ultranationalist" and makes more in a day than I will in a decade. Wild.

[@SaltyAsTheSea]

What a time to be alive

[@navyscroll]

more than a decade lmao

[@dashindutt]

But in all seriousness, isn't it kind of stupid that streamers have to rely on Twitch or KZbin. Why maintain the status quo of advertisers being spooked by loose canons? Why not push for a world where newer brands come through on these platforms with minimal amounts of censorship and hopefully overtake the big brands. Isn't that the point? To not let bigger corporations tell us what is good, safe and what isn't? I really want to state that I feel disappointed going online today. I've deleted Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. And I've never really used Twitch either. Content creators on KZbin get strikes for no reason and they are always in fear for their livelihoods. I want to live in a world where Gillette has no choice but to advertise on a platform even if the content is risky because otherwise Manscape can take away its market share. I dont want to live in a world where KZbin is controlled by what Gillette's PR team agrees with and disagrees with.

[@Necro0o0]

Because of the same reason you are here. KZbin is just pure monopoly at this point, even if you wanted to go to another site, there wouldnt be content. Its sad but its the truth

[@CriticPerfect]

i ain’t reading allat

[@JangoBango18]

Lol Gillette's PR team's budget probably dwarfs the entirety of Manscapes valuation. Not even close. Money talks.

[@davidlazerz8564]

"I want to live in a world where people have to pay for my megaphone and where people can't ignore my hatespeech." KZbin clowns like yourself need to tone down on that makeup.

[@nc0fr]

The major advantage for those platforms is Economy of Scale, as media encoding and distributing (especially video and real-time streaming in various qualities and resolutions) is costly (KZbin was still a net lose for Google for years). Nobody can afford these costs (Google could support as it helped increasing advertising business and stuff), making it almost impossible for newer brands to survive for at least a year! The same goes for moderation, as announcers will still prefer not advertising than advertising on risky markets (philosophy of association...).

[@SixStringXero]

I had this sneaking suspicion when I started seeing the articles popping up around Kick. Checked it out once just to see the categories and of course "slots" was the top category. Then after seeing an article with Adin Ross attached to it that basically gave it all away right there.

[@letsgotomarsman]

Cry

[@SaltyAsTheSea]

​@@letsgotomarsman ?

[@brandonjones8059]

I can always count of Muta and Charlie to fill me in on all the internet’s hot gossip.

[@arnoldstrong3548]

adin really misses tate and now is in a path of self destruction

[@MRbug_423]

I was just about to say. Adin the guy who tried to be the next Sneako and Tate's left hand, and now his master mind daddy is now in prison all the little Tate clones are all now headless chickens trying to figure out what went wrong

[@santosarr]

honestly hes gone insane.

[@187onaPigeon]

@@MRbug_423 Very funny how you blame everything on Tate. Let me guess. It's also Trump's fault? The problem is young men not knowing what to do with their lives. They have no purpose, or at least have the feeling they have none. But Adin isn't the smartest, that's 1 thing. Can't even read lel

[@ZeroDim]

​@MRbug he's in jail hasnt been convicted because there isn't enough evidence to do so, so the Romainian Government is holding him and keep extending his court date until either they find enough evidence to convict him or reach the maximum limit of days they can legally hold him for

[@MRbug_423]

@@187onaPigeon I don't know much and Adin's side. But I know after Tate blew up Adin quickly jumped ship and shilled for him with out questions

[@cmac6136]

Meeting Andrew Tate ruined this kids life. Lmao

[@z3r0117x]

Guy got paid a 140m bag?

[@leetrisk]

tate had no say in this decision, nor did he mention anything about adin leaving twitch

[@borryx401]

@@z3r0117x you mean the dude that was against porn, but streamed it to a bunch of 12 year olds?

[@ghostedafcp8305]

@@leetrisk ur stuck in the matrix kiddo

[@niras1860]

quite the opposite, he got a 140m deal and his physique looks better then it ever did. You can say his mindsets bad all you want but saying it ruined his life is a complete lie

[@thebasquez]

Hi! Welcome to "Banned from Twitch" TV. Great to see you using our platform for some unapparent reason!

[@patrickracer43]

Honestly the reason why all these alternative sites fail is because they end up being the safe harbor for those who have been banned from the mainstream sites, and advertisers do not want the people who are deemed to be the dregs of society

[@KickdotcomMikey]

Hey brother man, big fan! Thanks for the nice shout out at 2:00 lol, I do want to say though, couldve used my penta kill clip! All love man, see you on Kick soon! :)

[@briank8198]

#1 Zeri NA

[@champyy01]

Bro you caught on cam #1 zeri NA!!! ❤

wow look where kick is now waiting for the day seeing him on kick too... 😂

[@whitesonswoodcarving7217]

Number 1 wizard on KICK!

[@champyy01]

Only magician wizard streaming on kick! Check him out guys 🤘💯

[@Swag9]

Adin Ross lowers my IQ

[@evoluckievo]

he deserves it

[@navyscroll]

but you clicked on this video about adin ross, dawg has - braincells

[@Swag9]

@@navyscroll Speak to me when you older than 18

[@evoluckievo]

@@navyscroll its against him your EXACTLY what mutahar said "people are just going to go the comment section and say something"

[@stevencurtis7157]

Hearing Adin Ross butcher the description of the ol' axe & bundle was like hearing a little kid read about how a library works but they don't know what a "wibarian" is.

[@shapuku1674]

If Kick is owned by Stake then money won't be a problem for them at all. Kick becoming a solid competitor to Twitch and getting more notoriety (ideally for good news and not Adin idiots) also brings attention to Stake by seeing how many people are using it on Kick = more money. The 95/5 split honestly makes me want to start streaming cause SHEEEEEEESH

[@Griza_bella]

The only issue is copyright lawsuits is bound to happen. There's going to have to be a TOS at some point to prevent copyright issues and loss of money caused by lawsuits. I am all for this streaming site to be success since Twitch and KZbin is getting too greedy and corrupt, without actual competition, they'll just stick to their ways.

[@admiralkaede]

yes but heres the thing 95% with like 4 people or 50% with like 40 people whos using kick to watch the streamers will far outnumber the viewers

[@shapuku1674]

@@Griza_bella Oh definitely the TOS and enforcement of it needs some work. Hopefully the lawsuits would fall on the streamers for breaking the TOS and not damage Kick as much, but I'm not a lawyer.

[@Tommmmmmmmmmmm]

yea until Stake tells Kick to rig the algorithm and place Stakes paid gambling steamers at the top of every page.

[@shapuku1674]

@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm possible, but I feel if they wanted to they would've already.

[@Hawk_Bro]

If I had a dime for every time muta says "at the end of the day", I'd be rich...

[@Ryan-kl5pt]

Muta, you, your videos, your content is some of the best on the internet. We appreciate you and how far you have come in terms of switching gears when you had to (making different types of videos) the deep web browsing will always be my favorite (specifically the deep sighs of disappointment when you came across Jesus facepalm quality stuff) keep it up bro you are the GOAT 🐐

[@dawsonrudis4642]

Adin was definitely the kid that started sweating when he got called on to read

[@evillecaston]

I get that people want Twitch to have competition (and they do need it), but I really wish they kept that same energy while Mixer was around. It was far superior to Twitch in every way but sheer numbers. For a brief moment, Twitch seemed to have a fire under their ass with the Ninja buyout. Sadly, not much has changed since Mixer went under almost 3 years ago... Now we have Kick and...who thought this was a good idea? It's just Twitch but worse. Even if the revenue split is better, it won't matter if you can't find revenue in the first place.

[@seanpoulton2446]

Mixer was great. The problem is that sometimes we forget how good something until it’s gone

[@EnaTenkiyoGamer]

You're everywhere! 🤨

[@MrHat.]

I miss Mixer 😔

[@skeley6776]

Wasting all their money on 2 streamers instead of getting hundreds of small till medium consistent streamers was extremely dumb.

[@wushdishmeen]

Thank you Muta for saying EXACTLY what I was trying to scream into the void of KZbin comment sections. This is ALL about Train getting back into gambling and profiting off children. Adin is already doing slots and gambling on Kick. Stake lost a fortune not having the Twitch avenue to promote anymore since Twitch banned Stake, and so Train the degenerate is now teaming up with this shady "Stake" corporation to get his gambling addiction going again. Stake has enough money to get DRAKE to sabotage his image by partnering with Stake (a company out of a shack in curaçao) so you know they are laundering and passing 100s of millions around. They can offer such huge bags that they are making people like Adin just go for the money because that's all Adin cares about. ADIN ONLY CARES ABOUT MONEY.... not people or fans or "being a better person to be a better role model". Put money in front of Adin and he fumbles and caves every time..... kid is an imbecile

[@AnDr3w066]

Yeah they are profiting off of children that have parents and are the ones responsible for them. Touch grass

[@TheDarkResurge]

Train has enough affiliates to not need to stream gambling lol. Good try though stay mad bro

[@ssponjosito]

Aiden Ross always seemed like that one kid from high school that never grew up and is still a jackass in his 20’s lol

[@jessed2544]

A year later Adin just had the Republican Presidential nominee on his Kick stream. This is the worst timeline.

[@willyb8840]

So if Kick goes under that means Adin’s career basically does as well, atleast he’ll be recognized globally as the first man ever to reach negative IQ points

[@yeezystreetteam]

adin will flee to romania. i swear alot of these major gambler promoters are playing a different version of the slots games, there's no way you can play the way they do and always somehow end up with more money. it doesn't add up.

[@daddybear8849]

Yeah in some cases the Casino pays the player to play their machines and they "Miraculously" keep winning. Paid Advertising

[@yeezystreetteam]

@DaddyBear88 I was watching that roshtein guy yesterday on kick out of morbid curiosity and it's basically just him saying "1 more game" literally 80 times and somehow he would get a big hit. I think the sports bets are real and somehow the slot games are rigged to compensate.. I'd love it if someone on the inside spilled the beans but chances are everyone on the inside is corrupt

[@TheDarkResurge]

Should watch a train wrecks stream, Guy never wins and is down hundreds of millions

[@kevinlopez3414]

Andrew Tate really brainwashed him lol

[@WigWoo1]

This whole time I thought they were talking about KIK not Kick.

[@awp_shazbot]

It's common knowledge that trains in Japan are literally treated like a library so if you're in there blasting music and being loud someone is going to ask you to shut up especially if you're a tourist.

[@basivic]

They are beginning to realize that life isn't all rainbows and butterflies when everything isn't handed to you on a silver platter.

[@basivic]

To elaborate, most of these successful streamers probably have little to no real life experience prior to blowing up on the internet. They are basically children thrown into a life of instant wealth and fame.

[@BitMan1010]

Well it better be

[@sarkast1k]

kick is as much of a competitor to twitch as truth social is to twitter, only a certain kind of people are gonna be on it and with way less traffic

[@hunterklaras8043]

Eh tbh it turning into twitch 2.0 but with gambling

[@groundbreaker91]

People like Adin Ross actually make me lament for the human race. I can't even express how much it actually hurt seeing Adin talk (or at least try to) and knowing that at no point in his life will the thought ever cross his mind to try and improve himself.

[@hezi5729]

He more successful than you’ll ever be in your life. He has more money than your entire bloodline. Let that sink in. I think he’s good.

[@Antonjlavey]

Why are you so mad about this person he seems like a nice dude and trying to motivate others to do their best. Yours hurting because you're still in with your mother and getting bad grades

[@hyperdude144]

​@@hezi5729 We'll see in 3 years, how successful he is. Can't wait for the sunny V2 vid on him.

[@rhyswilliams6299]

​@@hezi5729 I like how your only defence for this guy is he has more money than you so your just jealous. Like having money gives people automatic good person sticker. Ever heard of I dunno Charles Manson, Hitler, Epstein all very rich people who were complete scumbag criminals. Putin is probably richer than Adin Ross doesn't make him some sort of role model lol.

[@navyscroll]

@@hyperdude144ill bet hes still pulling 100k+ in 3 years

[@zscout370]

Also besides the super bowl, I would imagine people would have used this to stream the Premier League in England if that rule was not put in place.

[@SmoltingWassie]

Came here for Muta’s take on the situation and didn’t leave disappointed. Greatest YT’r alive ❤

[@EquinoxGate]

Bro just copies penquinz.

[@stewie4467]

@@EquinoxGate if you watch either to form your opinion unironically, you're just admitting to being an algorithm slave LOL

[@TheCommanderTaco]

The funny part of Adin breaking TOS on kick by going to the hub is he is breaking more then one form of TOS because most if not all the videos on the hub are copyrighted works lol. Unless he is pausing the video and providing commentary lol. Also as Critikal pointed out he knowingly streamed porn knowing kids are watching his stream. That is breaking laws on showing inappropriate material to kids. The question comes in is that it was reported he had his stream titled as 18+, so could he be legally held liable. I don't know much on kick but do they have an age setting for streams so under 18 wouldn't be able to access or an age requirement 18 or above ( because from how Critikal described the sight you apparently can just get blasted with porn on the front page lol). If not then I think Kick itself can be legally held liable for a lawsuit.

[@evoluckievo]

just like the super bowl and there is worse actors on there and to bring an audience of 13 and below

[@marvingomez9564]

yes, you can get "pron" straigth from the home page, whey you click on one of the streams its does give you the clasic " are you 18+?" but the thing is that the thumbnail shows chicks getting railed... on the home page before you even get the chance of login in or confirm your age in any way

[@evoluckievo]

@@marvingomez9564 still he knows his audience is underaged and the "are you 18+" is a stupid legal safety net

[@TheCommanderTaco]

@lucki I checked out the site, and since it does ask for age verification I suppose that would give him and the kick team legal leeway. As Marvin said the problem comes with the thumbnails, then unless they change the site to ask if you are 18+ right away or make sure if anyone labels their stream 18+ to not have their thumbnails out in a spot where no "unverified" age person can see ( like how people tried to argue for twitch make an exclusive mature section) lol.

[@evoluckievo]

@@TheCommanderTaco at this point twitch can be considered better

[@TheJordanK]

Thanks for clarifying who Drake was. I didn’t know who he was

[@jesushimself7887]

Is it just me or does every streamer who gets banned go to some third party website just for it to fail a few months down the line?

[@andreranch6161]

Wait its called Kick? My god I thought KIK was making a comeback LMAOO

[@AbdefFable1]

Dude in Tokyo was a douche but the Skilled slander was uncalled for

[@junfa8686]

He ruined dubstep and that video is a perfect example of his fans that helped ruin said genre.

[@DavidQuessy]

At the end of the day, if I don't hear muta say "at the end of the day" then factually it's just not "the end of the day"

[@Jonny_bo1]

When I first looked at kick the first thing I saw was a gambling stream, it’s not like it was just off to the side no it was front and center on the featured tab and below that was the top category and low and below there was a section for gambling. So yeah from what I’ve seen it’s just a version of twitch that supports gambling

[@the.ghost.behind.u]

It's astonishing how much adins entire personality has changed after hanging out with the Tate Brothers.

[@navyscroll]

hes always been like this if anything got better and started working on himself after he met them

[@ObsidianKingSlade]

Why we acting like doing pushups is a bad thing???

[@Capsta111]

Roam was not built in a day. Great things take time. Twitch is like 15 years old. I'm sure in time Kick will do VERY well. Might even be a project that will one day interest you

[@xvxvcaspervxvx]

If it wasn't for Charlie and Muta, I wouldn't have known these internet spectacles even existed! I TA for 6th graders and even they know how to say words like 'ultranationalist'. I guess the saying: "Just because something is popular doesn't make it right", really shines here.

[@Jeffmac420.]

Oh Jeez Rick, I can't Believe Muta's Moving To Kick.

[@mememan1138]

It’s a good day when muta posts

[@DCJ9]

Facts

[@eliluborsky4827]

@basedred3919 damm guess u will never have a good day

[@EnaTenkiyoGamer]

Sure is

[@JonathanShidler]

Kick? I was thinking it was kik. Jesus. And with a dude streaming porn on it doubled my assumption it was Kik.

[@burdenking]

The first time I think I've heard of kick was from a batman parody of Joel haver's "Joker's most devious plan yet"

[@kickingitwithtimmyb]

Adin Ross to chat "what do you want to watch on pornhub" lol

[@Vinni-2K]

adin: i dont support it also him: so anyways lets watch some porn

[@killmonger8058]

What happened to you muta? You can check I been subbed since 2015, Your content completely change which I think is cool and whatever content your happy with making I'll watch, but I miss those old days of creepy pasta dank web browsing super Mario etc

[@ghoultooth]

You just answered your own question. The internet and creators have mostly moved past creepypasta and the like, it’s just how it is.

[@riffcrypt8438]

Will be looking forward to Train's response to this. Superbowl watch party was because he was watching the broadcast through Stake as they had the rights for their sports betting. The initial motivation for the site was due to Twitch coming down on the slots section but the reasoning for it is a lot more than merely funneling more leads to Stake. Train isn't just lying through his teeth about wanting to make a decent alternative to Twitch that offers better revenue splits and clearer terms of service, so he can twirl his villain moustache with casino crypto money. He himself has said the site is still growing and in beta. Streamers breaking TOS or exploiting Kick as they're growing isn't the fault of the website.

[@Plumtopia]

*goes to Japan* "Speak English" "No" "R@€ist!"

[@killervipersteve8901]

After learning that Adin Ross is unable to read, maybe that was the reason he broke Twitch's TOS. He literally did not understand the TOS.

[@Lanier2369]

Why do these people never have any self awareness? I've never seen anyone who got kicked off a platform saying they know why they got kicked off. I've never seen anyone who got kicked off of KZbin or twitch it Twitter or anything come out and basically said 'oops my bad shouldn't have said/did that stuff'. It's always other people. Other people are woke or can't deal with the 'realness' or whatever.

[@AnDr3w066]

They know why. They just disagree which is the woke bs that people get tired of.

[@Lanier2369]

@@AnDr3w066 not touching my point but thanks for playing.

[@AnDr3w066]

@@Lanier2369 I did. Sorry you couldn’t keep up. It happens with the emotional types

[@lasskinn474]

well if you have multiple infractions, that other people aren't being kicked off for, then you really don't know what the exact thing was.

[@driznardelunyar5199]

Listening to Aiden Ross' attempt to pronounce anything with more than two sylybles is more painful than inserting a cactus into my urethra

[@stargazing209]

sylybles

[@deepsee3779]

Sylybles

[@fateric007]

Mixer had the backing of Microsoft and it failed. What chance does this site have?

[@aprah]

The only thing I do disagree with is the "private company free speech" argument, I believe major sites like KZbin, Google, Twitter etc with millions of daily users SHOULD be more lenient on free speech, as the internet turns more into an essential tool in our lives. Obviously banning the extremes, but free speech is necessary. An example would be the bans on KZbin videos relating with COVID information not aligning with CDC's guidelines when their "guidelines" and research changed so much since 2020

[@KL53986]

Quite funny that that platform had better policies than Twitch and its seemingly random bans