The Disney Lightwhip Controversy

We’ll discuss the Acolyte’s lightwhip as used by Vernestra Roh on today’s Star Wars video.
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[@santiago_yudait]

The most stupid thing here is that people think is a new thing in star wars

[@andrewreynolds912]

I never heard of it until now I thought it was new but I doubted it because theirs a lot I haven't heard

[@chairmanofthebored6860]

Nah the stupid thing is people thinking Disney Star Wars is Star Wars.

[@rebelgaming1.5.14]

​@@chairmanofthebored6860A: They own Lucasfilm. B: By owning Lucasfilm, Disney by extension owns Star Wars. C: They've produced all SW content for about 12 years now. Therefore yes, Disney Star Wars is Star Wars. You don't have to like it if you don't want to, but it is. Also I find it funny that people complain about the Sequels reusing the Death Star thing when Legends has the Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher, Eclipse I, Eclipse II, Centerpoint Station, and Turbolaser yields that by all means should be turning planets to dust. Also bringing back Palpatine. Legends did that twice I think.

[@ironmaiden93ofangmar]

Exactly. It's a strange concept, but it's taken from Legends. It's not a new Disney invention.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

It’s always the fake fans crying.

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

When you're over 40 it's tough to keep your lightsaber up and not limp

[@EdibleClown]

Herbert had a lightsaber whip years ago 🤣

[@frankfuller975]

🤣

[@peger]

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. Including the way to make you lightsaber straight again :D

[@canisblack]

I think you mean "Schwarz," not lightsaber.

[@Samuel_S_Hirsch]

That happens when you masturbate too much. I'm not joking around. Being dead ass serious..

[@Sephiroth144]

Lumiya: Am I a joke to you?

[@Sephiroth144]

Also, GIFFANY? Look out, Soos...

[@juliusbossman7280]

Damn, beat me to it

[@Coyote_Bongwater69]

He mentioned her

[@DarthCuddlefluff]

"N-no Ma'am. You most certainly are not!" *very worried look*

[@chewy99.]

That’s not a light whip, it’s just a bunch of long electric wires.

[@lukerope1906]

Lumiya's lightwhip was first seen in Star Wars #95 which came out in 1985, not 1977.

[@biegendesrohr9550]

I was about to correct that, too. The comic series just startet in '77. Thank you! By the way I saw the comic with Lumiya in a comic store here in germany maybe in '86, I don't remember exactly, might have taken them a while to translate it. I never had it myself, but when I startet looking it through and reading it, I couldn't stop, because the story was so full of tension and the concept so cool. It burned itself into my mind ^^ Greetz from germany with force!

[@Deuteromis]

My brother has that comic

[@Vidiocity92]

Like don't we have Zyggerian lightwhips or something already? People really get upset over nothing

[@AJSai3007]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the Zyggerians from the Clone Wars. I think that’s a nonlethal variation of the weapon, considering it has only been shown to electrocute as opposed to slice through things.

[@ShahMartinez]

Came here to say this ❤

[@Daemon2k15]

Those are stun whips used by zygerian slavers

[@mitchellhayward6492]

Glad someone else mentioned it. Zygerrian lightwhips are fundamentally better than "lightsaber-whips" as a concept, in my opinion.

[@Daemon2k15]

@@mitchellhayward6492 no they arent. They are ment to cause pain to subdue a slave. Like it took 6-7 whips at once to subdue an angry Anakin

[@Luks2820]

I remember that when I was a kid, when the Phantom Menace was about to release, I used to draw a lot of "alternative lightsabers" and one of those was a whip. Back then I thought it was the coolest thing. I think kids will probably like it a lot, even if grown ups don't for lore reasons or whatever.

[@GmodPlusWoW]

Personally, I want to see more usage of light-shields. I want to see a Force-user with a light-shield on each arm, partly to be a wall in the midst of battle, and partly because it'd be funny, while also being both cool AND art, to see someone bashing people with dual shields.

[@EGRJ]

I came up with a similar whip/lightsaber combo, around the same age as the TOR character. And I thought I was being original. It's probably still in my Deviantart gallery.

[@Vidiocity92]

This is the best mentality ❤️

[@daveyjoneslocker4703]

They’ve been in the lore one way or another forever

[@brickcraftproductions3065]

It's funny because back then, when I was a kid, I used to draw Crossguard Lightsabers long before it appeared in that Star Wars The Clone Wars Game for the NDS and The Force Awakens, anyone Remember that Clone Wars game for the NDS?

[@sudologic]

No HOME: Resonance at the end? Did someone falsely claim Eck again?

[@jasperhorne]

I thought my sound dropped out for a second, I really hope this isn't the case again.

[@joshuadarrow]

"where is eck's outro, is it safe? Is it alright?"

[@MichaelWarman]

Whenever Poochie isn't on the screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Poochie?"

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

This from the same crowd who "love" and "miss" George's Star Wars era and yet forgot Lumiya and Silri exist. Bro what?

[@11481]

Never heard of them. Clearly they were mainstream favorites.

[@unincognito3689]

@@11481 proving his point mate 😂

[@ilo2224]

those same people don’t even know the old Extended Universe never even had a set continuity

[@undead_corsair]

The hatedom* does a lot of cherry-picking with their criticism of the new and love for the old. Lotta people want to act like everything made when George owned the IP was perfect and sacred, when even George himself made up some real nonsense. And much of the EU was really stupid. They also like to act like everything Disney makes is trash when it's just a mix, which is what Star Wars has been ever since they started making media outside the OT films. Star Wars has always had its good bits and its lame bits, any mature fan has gotten used to ignoring the bits they don't like. *(my word for the part of a fandom that seems to hate the thing they claim to like more than they enjoy it)

[@callumpears1523]

​@@ilo2224 it 100% did. Sure, there were some changes and retcons over the years but the majority of the legends stories did form a fairly consistent continuity.

[@kronosaur417]

For a good visual representation of how I think a light whip should look in live action, I think I’d go for something along the lines of those used by Whiplashes in Iron Man 2.

[@VestedUTuber]

I'd say the fan-made duel "Child's Play" would be an even better example.

[@herodaresfire4512]

I thought Lumiya's was different parts all over, so depending where you made contact, you would get hit by metal, leather, or energy, but that Githany's was entirely energy, like Vernestra's is now.

[@Wright805]

You are correct. Lumiya used a 'cat o' nine tails' type whip with a mix of matter and energy strands. Githany and Vernestra used single strand energy whips.

[@tweso1499]

@@Wright805Luke had to create a shoto in conjunction with his own lightsaber to have a chance against Lumiya’s lightwhip. He didn’t need it when he finally killed her when he (wrongfully) assumed she killed his wife Mara Jade. Gotta love her mind games

[@owentsao4860]

observing the conversations around this is a really good way of seeing who's hating on disney just for the sake of hating on them. because you know damn well none of them said this when Githany had one in the Darth Bane novel.

[@khal7702]

not everyone read those books

[@mileshostetler2469]

@@khal7702well perhaps they should, they are available online as audio books and are worth the read!

[@sambridgers9543]

Or Lumiya in the Marvel 80s comics and Legacy of the Force.

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

Disney is litteraly evil so they deserve it anyway. They are bigots and also promote genocide. (All of the Genocides not just the one you are hearing about right now)

[@panzernerd8486]

​@@khal7702The Clone wars and Rebels had them too

[@metalhedd]

Vern's whip in the books is normally a regular lightsaber. She then switches modes and it loses rigidity and becomes flowing energy. How this is explained technically? It's not but that is generally how they explain it in the books.

[@curzon9619]

Wow, that actually makes this example dumb, even when I didn't have an issue over it before. Wtf lol

[@seivernoname-tz9uh]

Only source I could find was for the tabletop game, where it only said that the blade containment field itself is what's being flexed and manipulated

[@profpuffofficial2]

force manipulation of containment field and communication with the crystal

[@FrozenJedi38]

Yeah Vern said she got the idea and blueprints from some vision in the Force in the middle of the night

[@FourByteBurger]

I mean, lightsaber whips have been a thing since fucking forever ago....so why are people upset by this? I personally think they're badass and should've been implemented in canon a long time ago

[@Atalas5]

most of them probably only know the movies and shows.

[@Fiddlefiddle5000-qv1ly]

​@@Atalas5 its almost the same drama when people thought that general griveous was revived for the tales of the empire series but they forgot that flashbacks exist and forgot that clone wars exist.

[@EdibleClown]

Some people need a bs reason to bitch about Disney

[@michaelbread5906]

Honestly, I want more force powers used in live action. When push/lightning hands are the ONLY powers used regularly, I am left severely disappointed.

[@Jimmymcnulty4]

I think the idea is pretty cool. Unfortunately the acolyte is a dumpster fire and I will not be watching that garbage. Maybe it will make an appearance in something else

[@EggBoi_8]

My lightsaber toothbrush is the scourge of all cavities.

[@BugRib]

Also, the scourge of all teeth. And tongues. And just all faces and heads, as well.

[@AzerbaijanOficial]

Lightsaber axe, lightsaber flyswatter, light saber sandal, lightsaber trident, lightsaber broom, lightsaber fruitpeeler, lightsaber paintroller, etc.

[@chrisreilly1290]

I always thought the whip was a bad design that could accidentally cut the user in half. Also never understood how it would work, thanks for the emitters chained together explanation!

[@clintonspx1200]

user would get touched about 20 times in a battle. It's a stupid idea. Same for nunchucks.

[@banzeyegaming2234]

Basically, Force users cheat.

[@aurtosebaelheim5942]

If I had to justify it - it allows an unskilled duellist to reduce a fight into a pure test of evasion for both parties (which is a skillset you already need if you expect to get shot at). You don't need to learn offense, parries, tells, or how to counter any fighting style, just keep that whip moving and keep dodging it. The wielder has an advantage in that they can leverage some control over where the whip goes and they're holding the off switch, meanwhile the opponent has an advantage in that they have a weapon with which to defend themselves. If we assume the wielder can dodge their own attacks indefinitely, their opponent must push through the whip zone to win the fight (or shoot them, the whip seems like it wouldn't be responsive enough to provide sufficient protection against sustained blaster fire).

[@moredac2881]

I remember being like 10 years old and reading a legends book where a sith had a light-whip like the canon version instead of the Luymia version. Wish I remembered the title.

[@betterlatethannever4529]

The first book of the Bane Trilogy has one in it

[@NebirosKnight]

If there isn't a hand on the end like those 90s sticky hand toys I don't want it.

[@BugRib]

Hey, that's a great idea! Lightsaber hands! Still waiting for a lightsaber tongue! Can you even imagine how awesome that would look? (Might be a bit difficult to wield, though...) Lightsaber eyeballs would be pretty neat too!

[@ScalpelCSG]

Death by french kiss, duh.

[@TTRPGSarvis]

Is the lightwhip stupid? Yes. Has it been a long-standing part of Star Wars Canon for multiple decades? Also yes. Folks claim to love the expanded universe, but conveniently forget all the very dumb things it contained.

[@erickhart8046]

Bout time we see lightwhips in live action. I remember seeing them in the comics back when.😊

[@Underworlddream]

It depend on if they can make it look good in live action, some thing don't transfer well when they change medium.

[@serlusacan3880]

A lightsaber whip sounds way too dangerous to use

[@superiorrule34]

Yep the closing weapon is the Indian whip sword which a practicer needs to train for years less they hurt themselves.

[@just2hi4u39]

too* dangerous

[@pupulauls]

And a normal lightsaber isn’t dangerous at all, of course

[@bluehero-96]

Which is why most Jedi don't use them.

[@ghiggs8389]

Imagine light nunchucks

[@blacktoothlongwalker1037]

Wait'll they get a load of my lightsaber pizza cutter.

[@m310grass]

Lumiya's light whip was unique with the additional non saber tendrils and the fact that hers had multiple strands, most lightwhips in legends are similar to the one used by Vernestra

[@tweso1499]

““Like Githany’s whip!” Bane exclaimed. Githany eschewed traditional weaponry in favor of the very rare energy whip: just one of the many traits that made her stand out from the other apprentices. It operated on the same basic principles as a lightsaber, but instead of a steady beam, the energy of the crystals was projected in a flexible ribbon that would twist, turn, and snap in response to both Githany’s physical motions and her use of the Force. “Exactly. The energy whip is far less efficient than any of the lightsaber blades. However, nobody ever practices against the whip. Githany knows that her enemies’ confusion at being confronted with the whip gives her an edge.”” - Darth Bane: Star Wars Legends 3-Book Bundle: Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, Dynasty of Evil (Star Wars: Darth Bane Trilogy - Legends) by Drew Karpyshyn a.co/hcbOhOB

[@panzernerd8486]

Lol, they were a huge part of the Zygerian arc of The Clone Wars and also were in Rebels in Season 4

[@Wright805]

Nope, those were shock whips, not light whips. They can't cut anything, just electrify the target.

[@panzernerd8486]

@@Wright805 Oooooh, ok. Thanks. I didn't knew they were different

[@LukiKruki]

@@Wright805 Wish there was a character who saw lightwhips and electrowhips and had an idea to make toggle version of these two.

[@deltan42]

I remember reading one of the young obi-wan novels like a decade and a half ago had one. They've been in EU/Legends for a long time.

[@jasonjordan8376]

People hating on this because “Disney is ruining Star Wars” are just exposing their lack of knowledge. When I heard this was going to be a thing, I immediately thought “oh cool, I loved that story arc in the old comics where that chick gave Luke all he could handle with her combo whip.”

[@VestedUTuber]

I mean, Disney screwing things up with Star Wars and this not being an example of such aren't mutually exclusive. Disney's made some very questionable choices with the franchise. They've also made some good ones. The net result has overall been negative, though, although not necessarily _as_ bad as some people might claim.

[@Sesuaki19]

@@VestedUTuber The sequels sucked but the rest were fine, and maybe book of boba fett, that wasn't exactly good to say the least. Personally I didn't like Andor, it felt nothing like star wars but others loved it

[@rarescevei8268]

​@@Sesuaki19I think Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka and a few parts of the Mandalorian sucked, but not everything is bad, like some people claim.

[@bigjawline9235]

​@@Sesuaki19 lol andor is the only good star wars show,no way u like kenobi

[@Sesuaki19]

@@bigjawline9235 I like Kenobi, it felt like star wars, unlike Andor, my father who grew up watching the ot also had the same opinion.

[@JanstonCordell]

I hope it's portrayed like Lumiya's whip and not a flexy beam. The latter is just too cheesy for me.

[@trollerpilotxiv3079]

I feel like light whips in general are a pretty cheesy concept

[@flap.d.jack247]

half of the entire franchise is cheesy concepts

[@VestedUTuber]

@@flap.d.jack247 "the entire franchise is cheesy concepts" fix'd. Some bits may be comparable to a fine brie, while others to gross "american cheese product", but it's still all cheese at the end of the day. :P

[@ElladanKenet]

Speaking of Lumiya and her lightwhip, a lesser known fact, she was the original student/apprentice of Darth Vader. She started as a rebel spy, who joined Rogue Squadron, was ousted and abandoned for dead, then rescued by Vader, rebuilt and trained in sith ways. This is before the solidification of the Rule of Two as an actual thing. Lumiya considered herself really and truly Vader's sith apprentice, and the true inheritor of that legacy. Which is why, as her student, Solo/Caedus is also a Baneite sith. And why Lumiya did not tolerate or work with the One Sith of Darth Krayt.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

She was an Emperor's Hand sent to spy on the Rebels (and seduce Luke) before the rest of that stuff :)

[@ElladanKenet]

@@ZoeMalDoran Actually, she didn't become an Emperor's Hand until after her time as a spy. Before that, she was just Vader's prodigy.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

@@ElladanKenet hmm, guess my source is incorrect. Oh well, not the end of the universe

[@mattstorm360]

If i recall, Obi-Wan had lightsaber Nunchucks and designing wacky light sabers isn't that odd but everyone eventually turns to the old fashion light saber because that's the tool of a jedi.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

lightsabre nunchucks? That sounds like the San-Ni staff used by another Force Tradition - 3 metal cylinders connected by flexible energy binders, used for basic blunt force damage or electric shocks depending on what part you hit the opponent with

[@Chris-os3nt]

Before i watch this: I’m pretty sure there’s a lightswhip user in legends.

[@josephperez2004]

Yup. Got her statblock in my old 2000s Star Wars Saga Edition TTRPG book. And the people complaining call themselves nerds...

[@LukiKruki]

They also are among Nightsisters in The Clone Wars.

[@rayhanmaulanabayusakti4219]

Don't forget the zygerrians

[@SergeyWaytov]

And THAT is why I was first to call Legends versus Canon separation a litigious loophole to dodge getting dogpiled Online by army of angry Nerds, people nowadays don't know a thing about EU Lore, and Light-whips been around for a LONG time there. Well, that, and a chance to sneakily siphon interesting ideas when you need a goodie, ESPECIALLY when yet another of their attempts at creating something, FLOPS harder that is for Stormtrooper to hit anyone important😂😂

[@pmahnke90]

I am pretty sure the Night Sisters in Empire at War had light whips as well.

[@neoalurcard]

I think it'll act like a regular whip. I recall her being able to have it wrap around her when she was deflecting blaster fire in one of the books.

[@lord_egg]

Disney is doing a lot of stuff wrong with Star Wars but why is everyone always attacking the wrong stuff?

[@s0ph053]

I’m suddenly questioning why any actual Jedi would wield such a weapon, it sounds awfully cruel.

[@averywhitaker3513]

No more cruel than a normal lightsaber

[@s0ph053]

@@averywhitaker3513 The lightsaber is built for precise cutting through control and discipline, the light whip is built to cause more wounds, in some cases even ones that don’t cauterize.

[@averywhitaker3513]

@@s0ph053 they... simply aren't. The one in the video that had multiple tendrils and destroyed an eye and neck, was wielded and made by a sith. Note: sith and jedi are different things The damage caused would be the exact same as a lightsaber blade unless the lightwhip was turned off. And they definitely are not imprecise or uncontrolled. If a wielder used one in either manner, they would not make it to combat, they would die immediately. Arguably, because of this, a lightwhip wielder fundamentally MUST be much more precise, disciplined, and in control of their weapon than those with a standard saber

[@s0ph053]

@@averywhitaker3513 It will take far more than just discipline to control a near weightless whip. Not to mention the fear factor and advantage against other lightsaber weilders is something a Jedi shouldn’t need.

[@averywhitaker3513]

@@s0ph053 something like telekinetic powers and precognition, otherwise know as The Force?

[@KrisHandsome]

The idea that lightsaber whips are a dumb random Disney thing is crazy. I remember seeing Silri with a lightsaber whip in Forces of Corruption as a kid and thought that was the coolest thing in the world. Didn’t know it was THAT old of an idea. First appearing in the 70s is wild.

[@11481]

Still dumb and random. But you’ve proved not a Disney original. Disney copied a bad idea from the EU. Not exactly a flex.

[@KrisHandsome]

@@11481 In what way is it a bad idea? There are thousands of things in legends that are objectively dumb. Lightsaber whips aren’t one of them.

[@nickiminajfan1100]

​@@11481you said in another comment you hadn't even known the characters who used it Quit larping as someone who read the EU comics/books lol.

[@bryanmanuelbaes7871]

​@@KrisHandsomelol this. They couldve had sabers coming from someone's wrists and knees like in visions. Whips aren't the end of the world

[@curzon9619]

From the 80s, not the 70s.

[@nilok7]

Why would a Jedi be using a Lightwhip, a weapon intended to confuse and deceive an opponent in a duel? Not only that, it can't if you intend to use it to defend, you are limited to a small area, or wide sweeps which risks causing damaging or hitting people nearby. This is one of the least Jedi weapons to use and makes no sense in context.

[@nightwolfnordberg9476]

Personal prefens

[@Marvolo14]

@nilok7 Vernestra addresses this issue in the High Republic books. She got the schematics for her saber from a Force vision. The hilt can project a traditional blade and a light whip. She spends the book worrying about whether the dark side or light side sent her the vision, and whether it was right for a Jedi to use a light whip. It turns out that shortly after building the saber her and some other padawans are stranded on a jungle planet with acid rain and the lightwhip is able to clear the dense jungle foliage faster than a traditional blade which allows her to get the group to shelter from the acid faster. Them surviving also ruins some nihil plans. The Force gave her the vision so she would be equipped to save the padawans and foil the nihil. I recall her also pointing out that Sith didn't invent the lightwhip. And Vernestra addresses the increased danger of using a lightwhip. The concentration and control required to wield it responsibly is high. The user has to be aware of precisely where the entire whip is, where it's going, and where any bystanders are within its range at all times. With skill and the Force a lightwhip can be as presice as any whip. They can be used for defense and offense.

[@anthony7697]

Actually - it does make sense if you really think about it. Let's be real for a second - from the first movie (episode 4), we see Jedi having no qualms with confusing and deceiving anyone, three words: Jedi Mind Trick. Even in Episode 1 with Qui-Gon rigging the dice to land on blue for Anakin. You can try and justify all the things that can be gone over cause it's a way longer list than that - but they still confused and deceived people, let alone opponents. In terms of defence - lightsabers as is have a relatively small area with which to block a blaster, you could, in theory at least, rotate the whip around to in essence create a larger area like a shield even if you still have to move to block same as any other Jedi. If the force is being used in conjunction to control it (as mentioned in the video) then it is significantly less likely as is to hit unintended targets - to say nothing of someone that has mastered it's use likely already has enough control and precision to not do that anyway - such as in the real world where some skilled enough with a whip can knock a cigarette out of someone's mouth without hitting them. Lastly - there is the question if it is normally able to 'cut' the same way as a regular lightsaber, or is it at a setting in which it can make contact but not cut through an opponent - which would mean it could instead be used to restrain an opponent rather than killing them, which at last check, would be a way more Jedi thing to do to restrain rather than cut down. But then again - as Obi-Wan would say, that's 'from a certain point of view'.

[@nilok7]

@@Marvolo14 Them changing it so the lightwhip wasn't created by the sith is weird, since the sith where the first ones to use it. It's okay to say that the jedi adapted it from the sith to use the lightwhip to gain an advantage, as the sith created many weapons the jedi adopted like the early physical force blades made with force (sith) alchemy. It seems far to convenient and hand wavy.

[@unincognito3689]

⁠@@nilok7 I mean, that info is legends. So they’re only changing it in canon because it’s the first one we’ve seen. The same with the force weapons. We haven’t got a canon version of that. And technically the Je’daii used them first. The dark Jedi we’re able to make force sabers because it required dark side. But the Rakatans invented them. But the Je’daii were the first to invent the light saber.

[@seancrowley3142]

Darth Bane’s Sith love interest had a lightsaber whip…I forget her name off the top of my head. He ended up killing her though with all the other Sith 😄

[@Wright805]

Githany.

[@tweso1499]

““Like Githany’s whip!” Bane exclaimed. Githany eschewed traditional weaponry in favor of the very rare energy whip: just one of the many traits that made her stand out from the other apprentices. It operated on the same basic principles as a lightsaber, but instead of a steady beam, the energy of the crystals was projected in a flexible ribbon that would twist, turn, and snap in response to both Githany’s physical motions and her use of the Force. “Exactly. The energy whip is far less efficient than any of the lightsaber blades. However, nobody ever practices against the whip. Githany knows that her enemies’ confusion at being confronted with the whip gives her an edge.”” - Darth Bane: Star Wars Legends 3-Book Bundle: Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, Dynasty of Evil (Star Wars: Darth Bane Trilogy - Legends) by Drew Karpyshyn a.co/hcbOhOB

[@antonakesson]

I think even in Legends Lumiya's whip was basically one of a kind weapon. The other lightwhips used by Sith seems to have been just modified lightsabers. Personally I don't mind since I grew up with these kinds of weapons in Star Wars. To me it has always been part of Star Wars so it doesn't come off as goofy to me. It was also never overused so it didn't really get old either.

[@tkc1129]

I think you are right. It might look pretty bad if it looks like a normal lightsaber, but flacid. The Lumiya way is probably the way to do it.

[@ben501st]

The cover of Jedi Apprentice #11: Deadly Hunter has lived rent free in my head for over 20 years. A lightwhip is shown prominently. For those of you who remember the prequel era before the clone wars, it's time to schedule a prostate exam.

[@VestedUTuber]

Easy, easy. I grew up with pre-clone wars Prequels, but I'm still in my early 30s.

[@aaroncarney7733]

I mostly partake only in ultra hardcore Star wars groups...haven't heard of this controversy and write books on frame by frame mistakes.

[@ExileTwilight]

Like most things that get blown out of proportions, it's likely people like Eckharts ladder farming the loudest and most extreme opinions like it's a hate movement.

[@delrunplays2903]

@@ExileTwilight Now that you mention it, I didn't hear about these complaints until this video. The only controversies I've heard surrounding the Acolyte is the director's apparent lack of familiarity with Star Wars (though it's usually pointed out that Andor, iirc, similarly had someone unfamiliar with Star Wars) and her close association with Weinstein. Oh, and the usual concern about injecting modern politics without filtering it through an in-universe lense.

[@rayhanmaulanabayusakti4219]

Same, I watched JJ plagiarism and he never talked about this controversy

[@YoungThugame]

What happened to the outro song

[@McCrapweasel]

Let's just call it a floppy lightsaber.

[@tweso1499]

““Like Githany’s whip!” Bane exclaimed. Githany eschewed traditional weaponry in favor of the very rare energy whip: just one of the many traits that made her stand out from the other apprentices. It operated on the same basic principles as a lightsaber, but instead of a steady beam, the energy of the crystals was projected in a flexible ribbon that would twist, turn, and snap in response to both Githany’s physical motions and her use of the Force. “Exactly. The energy whip is far less efficient than any of the lightsaber blades. However, nobody ever practices against the whip. Githany knows that her enemies’ confusion at being confronted with the whip gives her an edge.”” - Darth Bane: Star Wars Legends 3-Book Bundle: Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, Dynasty of Evil (Star Wars: Darth Bane Trilogy - Legends) by Drew Karpyshyn a.co/hcbOhOB

[@porg-fv8vi]

I think this been around since the EU. But i think the weirdest thing with star wars was when sith used lightsabers to fly. It was funny but weird. But that star wars to. It can be dumb but fun

[@artnull13]

Blame that manchild Filoni for that 😂

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

​@@artnull13what has Filoni to do with this

[@intergalactic92]

My first exposure to a lightwhip was in the Jedi Apprentice novels (series starring Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon prior to Episode One), where it was wielded by a Bounty Hunter. It’s depicted as a single flexible whip which can be energised to duel against a lightsaber or left inert to simply strangle someone (Obi-Wan). I always thought it was a cool weapon, and it was one of the most memorable moments in the series.

[@Manunido]

My personal gripe with it is that it doesn’t feel very Jedi to use a whip considering what whips are traditionally used for

[@dhaburuk6494]

Agreed. Rule-of-cool only goes so far.

[@natmarelnam4871]

that's dumb.... Jedi aren't aware our "Galaxy", plus that hadn't happened yet - To them, we're the future. Everything is "real world" with Disney SW fans.... you guys ruined it. You made it the crap that we already live with.

[@dhaburuk6494]

@@natmarelnam4871 You're not exactly wrong. Even so, fiction is full of real-world elements without explaining why in-universe. Media is usually crafted with the audience in mind, after all.

[@Manunido]

@@natmarelnam4871 don’t quite understand your point. If you watch the clones wars you see whips being used on slaves (which was pre Disney). so yes, it does exist in the Star Wars world

[@Comuniity_]

​@@natmarelnam4871you do realize George Lucas has literallt said the Rebel Alliance is based on the Viet Cong and the Empire is the US right?

[@davantebarbain3216]

A lightwhip is a thing but a lightsaber that can turn Into a whips would be new

[@Jandraden]

Old man Herbert had one of those in Blue Harvest

[@primecoconut4204]

by far the most brutal whip saber is Darth Lumiya's, the decription alone is literally a flogging whip, the energy aspect of it is just an intimidation factor. That's what makes her even terrifying to go against. The rest of just...meh. They just took the regular whip and slap some lightsaber effects

[@anthonyverde1522]

Before I watch this, anyone who knows Legends at all knows these have existed for years in writing. I don't understand why people get upset over shit like this, it shows they don't know source material and they don't care to learn it. It's just about hating disney at this point and I haven't watched ANYTHING they've made since The Last Jedi.

[@orrinfreeman5672]

0:45 did Eck just refer to this video as “the battle”?

[@danabell2709]

We'll see. I always thought the concept was silly but how they handle it in the show will make or break the whole thing I think. The ball's in the hands of the House of the Mouse now :)

[@thunderbee]

it's honestly great to see star wars reincorporate stuff like this from the old continuity, I remember when the Light whip saber was introduced in the mystery's of the force anthology. It was actually invented by the Sith in sector i800 to subjugate people into mining a material known as ko-tan and was actually planed on being apart of Mace Windu's so that he and Anakin would have common ground but it was never brought up int he movie because of time constraints.

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

Eck, It's not too late To whip it Whip it good

[@bladejohnson4784]

mann not having the outro music there is tragic, hopefully you can find a worthy alternative

[@paulchavez3039]

The concept of also being able to guide or control the energy's path and trajectory with the force as well as physically with the hilt is awesome and terrifying. It's like force tentacles at times. Almost alive.

[@DSIrocker]

The original marvel 70s and 80s comics and everything about them are my favorite parts of expanded Star Wars storytelling tbh

[@WhoTookPlockrock]

Short answer: kinda, but it's a longstanding tradition in Legends content so the reasons people are complaining about this are invalid.

[@TheDarkness169]

As much as I dislike Disney for basically butchering years worth of great star wars history (and potential future), it's fucking cringe AF to see people so biased that they just hate on an idea that was already established in star wars lore. So much for being a "true star wars fan" lmao.

[@tonyblitz1]

Ah good old memories of browsing wookiepedia. The dual phase lightsaber always captured my imagination because I imagined the frantic change of pace in a dual when an opponent suddenly had a claymore length lightsaber. But I also never found it present or mentioned in any games or content.

[@glenturner1668]

A segmented light whip could be very cool.. kinda gets wrapped around a thing burning / melting it. Then a pull back, cut it in half moment. Maybe visually like that guy from iron-man 2 on the racetrack..?

[@ericp4573]

Bro got punished by KZbin algo’s for this video 😂😂😂

[@Revan_Reborn]

Lightwhips have existed in Star Wars since 1985. they're probably older than you are.

[@HumorDash]

Best way to make a light whip for dualing purposes similar to the rgb lighsaber you can buy online. multiple 4 inch polycarbonate tubes chained together and each one has bluetooth sensors that go back into the hilt. So you press the button and they all turn on.

[@rileymosman2808]

I'm not a fan of a lot of Disney Star Wars decisions and not a fan of light whips, but I actually love that this is getting included both from a lore and filmmaking perspective. It'll be cool (if they do it well) to see how the whip changes the choreography, and with very few exceptions I like when widely accepted EU/Legends stuff becomes cannon.

[@datboirj5185]

The light whip was a thing in legends, not that it’s not dumb but I wouldn’t call it Disneys idea

[@Tuskin38]

He didn’t say it was

[@ScorpionNova]

no one was saying it was

[@AW-ix5qg]

Next I want to see the sailing boats in space come back.

[@depressedTrent]

Disney is never gonna give us Treasure Planet 2...

[@AW-ix5qg]

@@depressedTrent what? I was talking about Star Wars. Look it up, there was a Star Wars comic book run with sailing ships in space.

[@BugRib]

@AW-ix5qg - I mean, Dooku's ship used a solar sail. Which is actually a real technology used by NASA in a few actual spacecraft...and a great way of accelerating at a rate that makes snails look fast...so long as you have a star at your back...and you're already moving at orbital velocities. But, you know, physics works different in the SW universe, I guess... 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@tweso1499]

@@AW-ix5qgespecially Farfalla’s flagSHIP 😆

[@AW-ix5qg]

@@BugRib I'm not talking about solar sales. The comic had Spanish galleon style ships in space. I want that in live action. After the space whales this is right up modern Star Wars' alley.

[@natali_wolffe9012]

Like, I've been doing a personal worldbuilding experiment off the prompt of "what if I was told to write episodes X-XII" and one of the things I thought of was alternative lightsaber designs, but trying new concepts or different renditions of existing designs. For instance, Lightsaber Sais, featuring angled crossguards to direct the opponent's blade. Lightsaber Scythe, like a saberstaff, but the emitter at the very end is on a hinge so it can rotate inwards and be parallel with the staff. Lightsaber Bayonet, a normal blaster rifle, with a lightsaber emitter under the barrel. These exercises are cool because I think the only thing sillier than the alternative lightsabers is the idea that lightsabers can only look one way.

[@Poke-ladd]

They had energy whips before with those slavers in the clone war series I think they can counter light sabers to some extent

[@DaRatier]

Glad to heard a logical and informing video about the lightwhip. If the Acolyte can pull it off right or not is another matter, but for people to go into such a rage about this weapon type online is very immature really. It shows a lot have forgotten a lot of the unique, exotic, strange and stupid things the old EU/Legends has. The current content of Star Wars is varied, having a lot of highs and lows, just as it was in the past.

[@cursedflash36]

#AskEck I think Lucasfilm should pursue adapting George Lucas's sequel treatments in comic form and getting Lucas himself to consult on it. This may sound like an out-there idea but Lucas was clearly unhappy that the story of his sequels was never told, he's had a life long love of comic books as a medium and even though he's retired, he's always been happy to consult on projects whenever Lucasfilm have asked him to (Solo, The Mandalorian, Dial of Destiny, etc). For Lucasfilm's part, they're fine with producing non canonical content like Visions and the rumored 'What if?' series. Marvel Comics are also currently publishing 'What if?' Alien comics and Dark Horse recently published a comic adaption of one of James Cameron's old drafts for an Avatar sequel, so I don't see why Lucasfilm can't get either company to give Star Wars the same treatment. It could even be nice way to celebrate the upcoming 10 year anniversary of the beginning of the sequel trilogy, taking a look at what it could have been. So, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think it's an idea Lucasfilm should pursue?

[@thgar4850]

Shira Elan Colla Brie first appears in the original Marvel Star Wars run in issue 56 (this was November 1981 w/ cover date Feb 1982) or post Empire. She is a double agent for the Empire. And "dies" in issue 62. The first appearance of Lumiya was not until Issue 88. The first time we see the lightwhip is issue 95. The famous cover with Lumiya fighting Luke is issue 96. 95 and 96 are both 1985 or post Jedi.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

I have a star wars book from before Disney bought it, called The Jedi Path, which accepts Lightwhips as a variant of Lightsaber, alongside double bladed, dual phase, lightsaber pikes, and Light Clubs

[@weppon5266]

No. Don’t say “Disney’s”. It was created it legends. It’s “Star Wars”

[@AuthorWorldbuilder]

Maybe watch the video before commenting

[@lunakingsley.7247]

That's part of the point. Some Legends fans are hypocrites

[@Planag7]

That you weren't actually looking at the video before you comment because you're so hurt by Disney aren't you Such a sad little one.

[@_robustus_]

There’s all kind of stupid shit in star wars.

[@_robustus_]

There’s all kind of stupid shit in star wars. It has been its own worst enemy from day one.

[@witherwolf3316]

Electrowhips aren't new to Star Wars. However an actual lightsaber whip that emits the same plasma energy as a lightsaber would be much harder to use as an effective weapon. Electrowhips are generally used against unarmed targets, to torture slaves or prisoners, and maybe, if you're really desperate, to disarm an opponent. But they have multiple drawbacks. For one, they're only useful within a very specific range. Any further and the whip won't reach, and any closer you risk being struck, either by a fist or a lightsaber, or disarmed. And due to the nature of the whip and the arm movement needed to use it, it's unusable in close quarters environments. Whether it's on board a ship or in a dense forest you can't use it without it getting caught on things. With a lightsaber whip you have all of the above problems plus the added risk of having long coils of burning plasma whirling around, causing extreme peril to you, your environment, and any allies that might be standing near you. On top of that there's no telling how effective a lightsaber whip would be at deflecting blaster bolts. Due to the extra time to move it in front of you compared to a lightsaber I don't think it would be a very effective defensive weapon. With its confusing and destructive nature I really just can't see this as any kind of weapon a Jedi would use. And for some reason electrowhips get called lightwhips sometimes despite being much closer in relation to an electrostaff.

[@Teag_Brohman15]

this whole thing pretty much confirms that the Fandom Menace will only cite Legends when it's CONVENIENT for them.

[@deverenschultz7942]

I would really like to know how a short lightsaber would help defend against a whip? Like, wouldn't you want something more like a long pole to catch the very whips and hope it wraps around? Or maybe some kind of sword catcher or even a claw? With a short lightsaber, wouldn't that just give you less length and area to potentially static block?

[@ExileTwilight]

In context of the story I believe he used the 'tanto' specifically to catch the whip and keep his other hand free to attack with. Were there better options? Probably. But in the context of the story Luke was already well-versed in using a traditional lightsaber, learning an entire new weapon for one opponent seems a bit much.

[@deverenschultz7942]

​@@ExileTwilight 'catch the whip', I guess I just don't get it. Maybe I need to read the story. Is it like easier because he has all of the whip parts on a shorter weapon ? And a shorter weapon is just more manageable? -Lighter, -less likely to cut yourself - better leverage on the 'strong' of the blade -ect That kind of stuff?

[@deverenschultz7942]

Is it like a 'strong of the blade vs weak of the blade' kinda thing? Anybody know what I'm talking about...?

[@cheesydanishgaming3333]

I wonder What form would be best for the lightwhip? I imagine Ataru since it requires free flowing movements and acrobatics with it being a deadly consistent movement But could other forms be attributed to the weapon?

[@tonyclements1147]

The Ferengi in TNG had a variant as well.. Energy whips used in the 22nd century had a yellow energy pulse while 24th century versions were blue. (ENT: "Acquisition"; TNG: "The Last Outpost"; LD: "Mugato, Gumato") I know the ST and SW aren’t the same exactly, but the idea of an energy whip isn’t new to sci-fi.

[@eds1942]

Lumiya and her light-whip were technically s-material until the EU authors adapted them into their continuity as the EU didn’t officially start until 1994, with the exception of the Thrawn trilogy and the Dark Horse comics. My question is, now that Marvel comics are officially canon, does that mean that their old Star Wars comics are part of the new canon continuity or just part of Legends?

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Marvel Comics (like DC) publishes titles in Volumes. This was the basic differential before timelines and multiverses became popular. So, no. The pre-Disney Marvel Star Wars comics are not retroactively canonized. They were a different volume, different timeline, different galaxy.

[@eds1942]

@@AngeloBarovierSD Thanks

[@platypusfox73]

Legacy of The Force was where i first learned about this strange weapon, but i always liked the battles that came out of it.

[@thetoondevil]

I remember back when clone wars was fresh, there was various light saber designs that was created. Whips, scythes, even light saber nunchucks existed. Supposedly these models werent as commonly use as they requires much more extreme training to use.

[@sneakymcgee]

i was actually super excited to hear the light-whips are coming back. They’re some of my favorite weapons in legends.

[@TheBlackBrickStudios]

This really do be one of those 'tell me you're not a Star Wars fan without telling me' moments isn't it?

[@sam3drinks]

I will always maintain that anything can be good or cool until proven otherwise

[@KaijuBiologist]

My favorite whip wielder was Darth Maleval of the Legends stories. He used a shock whip and a light saber simultaneously. And he looked scary as hell, too.

[@zacharyfett2491]

Stares in Lumiya.

[@manfrommontreal]

Lightwhips have been in LEGENDS for forever.

[@MildandLazyGuy]

Yeah but I bet you it will just be a floppy light saber in acolyte.

[@Mana-ray635]

As a legends fan, i was honestly teally hyped to see a lightwhip again

[@jamesh2321]

I remember that comic! Oh man I had completely forgotten that until I watched this video. But I do remember the lightwhips in the 2nd Edition RPG... I forgot the name but they were in there. I figure a light-whip could act something like a real world Urumi, the flexible sword-whip from India. Those things are awesome to watch but they're dangerous to an unskilled user, just like a lightsaber.

[@monkofbob]

I think adding all the different styles of light weapons reinforces the purist theory of why the Jedi use light sabers. It’s much easier to keep a target at bay with a pike, especially in a group.

[@brianmoyachiuz905]

I do like seeing "functional" lightsaber designs like the light-whip and hopefully old designs like the light tonfas and hopefully bring in new one like saber sais or nunchuck sabers

[@atrution]

*Looks across the room at Star Wars table-top game minis, Mistryl Shadow Guard flourishing single beam lightsaber whip.*

[@martinwestern3334]

There has been lightsabre whips in legends for freaking ages

[@JeffreyJusticeLosey]

I always found the lightwhip quite exotic and fun as a concept, especially as first visually introduced in the comics. Visually wild and a good contrast to the elegant look of the normal lightsaber. I remember playing an all-Jedi campaign in the Star Wars RPG: Saga Edition tabletop game, set roughly 100 years before the Clone Wars - my character was the only member of the group from a different Force Tradition: a Zeison Sha warrior. This tradition had next to no trust in the Jedi Order, but his goal was to embed himself as a plant among the Jedi Shadows. He wielded a discblade and specialized in telekinetic force powers and using computers, wheras the rest of the party were focused on lightsaber combat and piloting. Ultimately, he acquired 2 lightsaber crystals from Ilum (phond and pontite, randomly determined) and captured 4 enemy sith lightsabers; pragmatically, he purified the synthetic crystals of the Sith sabers, turning them yellow. The pontite crystal normally being highly sought after by Jedi, it was odd chance; while the phond was a real wild card that threw me off. I chose to construct a greatsaber (phond), two lightsaber tonfas (pontite and synthetic), and three lightwhips (synthetic). Of course, this is all highly irregular and the other Jedi were puzzled by this. Using the Kinetic Combat power to wield the lightwhips, and primarily relying on the lightsaber tonfas in conjunction with the Force Shield power, the character was essentially untouchable. When a shielded opponent appeared, he would first use the greatsaber to break through the shield. I managed to convince the GM to let me start with Borg Construct cybernetics (as a near-human with cultural cybernetics), which I then put all my credits into upgrading and integrating with a space suit, heavily modified visual wrist comm, and hidden slicing tools. The other Jedi in the group all were rather traditional, so I was typically a fly in the ointment of the GM. I would always try to find alternatives to combat, while the others would usually instigate. I miss playing that character.

[@charles52able1]

Vernestra Ro's lightwhip does convert into a regular saber when she uses telekinesis to make the whip rigid. To me this is the best of both worlds. It can still be used as a whip or more defensively to block blaster shots.

[@AlessandroRodriguez]

I'm more worried that the quality writing will bring us, but for the weapon it will be handled like a lasso, when is not, will use "force float" to keep it in the air or it will selectively not melt the ground or maybe the writers have not even seen a video a whip user to notice how the whip touches the ground and the user multiple times when in use or that is a lot more boring than people think.

[@anthonyyoutubefan7567]

Yeah: This lightwhip/lightsaber whip will either work or bomb. My biggest gripe with this development is that a 15-year-old Force-user was 1. Given the title of Jedi Knight, and 2. Allowed to fashion her own lightsaber, when she's not even a Jedi Master. All flies in the face of what Lucas' storytelling originally depicted. A tricked out whip as a weapon is very cool, but I'm not sure if this "new thing" is going to wow the general audience and the long-standing fans. We'll see...

[@chhudson1215]

Another variation from Legends is Ona Nobis’s laser whip from the Jedi Apprentice series.

[@triplezeroxz5875]

2:20 Your description of the lightwhip is actually personal to Lumiya herself. Regular lightwhips only have one emitter and one band of energy. Lumiya's was special because it had *One* energy whip (the actual lightwhip) and multiple physical whips attached with metal blades and such for cutting and tearing. It was a sort of Cat'O'Nine tails. Her weapon had the physics of a physical weapon and an energy weapon *At the same time*, and that's what made it so deadly. No other lightwhip was designed that way before or since.