The Disturbing Reason Vitani Looks NOTHING Like Her Brothers…

[@misspinkpunkykat]

"Where's you pretty daughter, Nala?" always seemed so personal

[@PestilentAllosaurus]

Yeah because of Kiara.

[@Toshinegawa]

"Vitani!" 😠

[@rayagranum2780]

Right?

[@14omoon]

This gives a whole new look to it 😮

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

Teenage pregnancy guilt.

[@LaissezFairyWriter]

The way Nala said her name so vigorously shows they have a history. And out of all Zira’s cubs, Vitani is the one who looks adopted. This also explains why she was so willing to accept Kovu when Nuka wasn’t. If neither of them were Zira’s kids.

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

I mean Vitani being more accepting of Kovu could also be because they are closer in age and Vitani has nothing to lose from him being king.

[@bisquio]

someone could say something in the same manor just to be rude- it doesnt prove anyone has history- this is a stretch at best

[@annataymond9529]

For some reason I thought they were all adopted

[@jayvonnoelsmith8445]

Yea true

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

Vitani looks like her mother lol.

[@HuskyQueenWarrior]

I recently discussed this theory in one of my videos. While it may be possible, I personally believe that Vitani and Kovu were twins from Zira's second litter with a rogue male lion during Scar's reign as king after Nala rejected Scar's proposal to her thus running away from Pride Rock. And another thing: in fanart Zira's mother is often depicted as having blue eyes, so recessive genes are a possibility.

[@daniellemusella1594]

@WolfPawStar88 That was my theory, too, when the movie initially came out, and I still feel this way. Scar definitely struck me as the type, who'd want his kids to call him by his name, rather than "Dad" or "Father" - think Jackson family patriarch, Joseph. It's been theorized that a premature birth or pregnancy complications caused Scar to look more sickly than Mufasa. It'd then make sense that, when he saw these traits be passed on to his firstborn, Nuka, he dismissed the possibility of naming the cub as his heir. Not wanting to chance that a second time, he ordered Zira to wait for a rogue male, who looked similar enough to him, to pass through the Pride Lands. That encounter produced Kovu and Vitani. Even though Zira said Kovu was the last cub born before the banishment, the twin theory still makes sense. Birthing two cubs would, obviously, take longer than birthing only one. Zira's labor could've gone on for more than a day, with Kovu taking longer to arrive than his sister. The birth happened, Scar named the male as his heir - he also seemed like the "boys come first" type - and Simba showed up the very next day. Within a week after THAT, the banishment happened. (3/26/2024)

[@HuskyQueenWarrior]

that's actually very well thought out! Good point.@@daniellemusella1594

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@daniellemusella1594Plus lions normally have litters of 2-4

[@daniellemusella1594]

@@AzraelThanatos Yeah. Also, Nuka's sadness and resentment at being passed over would continue a cycle, which was unknowingly begun by his paternal grandfather, Ahadi. The cherry on that sundae would be the fact that a YOUNGER sibling was being favored. (3/27/2024)

[@jackies1004]

Wow you're very smart.

[@caseydreamuslpsandmore2582]

It is a good theory yes i do believe the Zira adopt two of cubs. I think Nuka is the only one that was Zira's cub.

[@jayvonnoelsmith8445]

Yea true

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

Nuka was actually Scar's son.

[@bloodpoolssecret4249]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 bruh same difference

[@cheese_16]

​@@RedRoseSeptember22Not

[@YoungJackie424]

She’s actually scars & zira daughter she looks like both parents

[@joshuacoldwater]

They actually DID address this in the film, Vitani and Nuka are her and Scars kids. Kovu, however, is neither of their children. Nuka outright states that he was a wandering child that Scar found and took in. The other two though are DEFINITELY Zira and Scar’s.

[@rileygarraway87]

Agreed that is how I took it

[@Legendary.Potatos]

I was looking for this comment

[@90ejb]

Thank you. I don't know why people would rather believe this depressing theory when the actual movie has the answers.

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

The only reason Kovu isn't Scars cub is because that would make he and Kiara cousins. But Vitani and Kovu are likely littermates, soooo.

[@reaver622]

Kovu is Ziras son but he isn't Scars son.

[@d-padqueen1103]

I can tell you EXACTLY why Vitani looked nothing like her brothers right now. The artist used a different style of drawing "lionesses" to male lions to begin with so audiences can recognise the gender of the lions. Then with this story, the artist had to differentiate Pride Rock lionesses from non-Pride Rock lionesses. THE END.

[@dominic_19077]

Lionesses look quite different from lions in real life. ;-) But, yeah, they did specifically draw the outlanders and pridelanders dfferently - until one scene in the end when Kiara and Kovu were pointing out how they don't look any different.

[@reyvillegasjr166]

Talk about being a Buzz Killington..😲😕 lol

[@Tries_To_Draw]

I beg to differ, she is the only lioness who looks remotely like nala apart from nala mother

[@dominic_19077]

@@Tries_To_Draw, does she though? I feel like both Kiara (her daugher) and Sarabi (Simba's mother) look a lot more like Nala than Vitani does. BTW, Nala's mother is named Sarafina.

[@Talvi_Sota]

@@dominic_19077I think this was especially used for the cubs since cubs don’t look all to different

[@bartonbrevis3831]

Alternate version; Vitani is Nala's younger half-sister. Scar-x-Sarafina. Vitani would have kept her as 'One of' Scar's heirs.

[@marayabond-clark7868]

Do you mean Zira in the second part? But yes, I like this more. Although I'm not sure because I felt like Serabi and Sarafina would have been too old to have cubs by then, but who knows.

[@bartonbrevis3831]

Yes, Zira. My err.

[@amandahibbs3690]

@@marayabond-clark7868depends on the ages of the lionesses at first and last litter, its at age 3 lions are fully mature enough to breed but i don’t know when they become too old for it since most pass away before that point

[@jacqueenofthenight]

This seems more believable to me... Although I still think that artistically Vitani looks like a little Zera clone 😂

[@Stick_and_stone]

Honestly, visually I think they just look different to depict their personalities + set them apart as characters. Lion king isn't the type of movie series to have complicated lore.

[@FeyreAshryverMikaelsonGrayson]

I think this theory is unlikely mainly because Vitani looks too much like the rest of the Outlanders instead of the Pridelanders dispite her fur and eye color.

[@priscillajimenez27]

Don't forget she starved like they did too and wasn't well taken care of

[@skyeyoung4446]

My theory is that Vitani is the daughter of Tama, one of the lionesses in the Lion King comics.

[@kodylouise4849]

Disney already confirmed vitani and Kovu are related to Zira just another father. Nuka is scars only child. The father was a rouge lion who looked like scar. As to nobody could question whose kids they are. Who knows if scar even knew if she cheated or not tho.

[@FarmerTrio725]

My theory is vitani and kovu were taken from other lions by zira

[@SamuelDickenson-gr3xz]

Well one thing that contradicts this is the inconsistency with Nalas eye color. They're green in the first film and the show but blue in the second movie. Also you seem to forget that Vitani seems to be Kovus older sister. Though that might just be implied.

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

Vitani and Kovu are littermates.

[@marybenson189]

​@@blobbertmcblob4888 in the second movie it's said that kovu wasn't biologically scars just some cub they found and adopted

[@raquelvoorhees3571]

Tani doesn't even have blue eyes her eyes are lavender.

[@LisaTigressHardy]

Actually blue-green aka Teal in the first movie like her mother Sarafina. They were inly green i t he ine shot where she us stalking Pumbaa in the grass and when she runs out they are back to teal. They are blue in the secibd movie yes.

[@spooktoonz]

This theory honestly doesn’t make as much sense as you might think. -the deleted scene with Scar asking Nala to be his queen is not canon, since it was deleted and it’s never acknowledged in the film. -Even if it was, in the scene itself, Nala rejects mating with Scar. And directly after she rejects him, we see her leave the pridelands to go find help. Therefore, there would’ve never been an opportunity for Scar and Nala to have mated.

[@ContonCityNews]

Tho it's still a possibility as even without the scene, it's clearly implied that Scar had an interest in nala or was intended to I definitely believe that 1 or 2 of those kids (Kovu, Vitani and Nuka) are his kids and a lioness abonded them or Simba banished them

[@spooktoonz]

@@ContonCityNews yes but it’s implied in the scene that Scar had only started taking an interest in Nala right before she left, so it’s unlikely. I suppose it isn’t impossible, but I still find it unlikely. I do also believe that Scar could definitely be Nuka’s father, and maybe even Vitani’s.

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

The scene is in the muscial on the Westend and Boardway.

[@spooktoonz]

@@AnnaBellaChannel I don’t think the musical is canon to the second film though.

[@wolfwoman5229]

Just because something is deleted from the actual movie

[@StockportTurners]

It's because she was with a different partner at the time of Vitani's birth. And also, Vitani looks like Zira.

[@Kaira90211]

The "cut" scene that you showed clips of is not, in fact, cut content. It is an incredibly well-done fan animation made in reference to a song from the Broadway Musical. The song in question is called "The Madness of King Scar".

[@raineterni2219]

He showed the finished fan animation, but the storyboard made by disney of this exists - and that was cut from the movie.

[@ChocoMothYT]

I was looking for a comment saying this lol

[@QUEENOBSCURE]

@@raineterni2219 ya but that fully diffent....as to what he used..he could have just used cut ref

[@bellaclark4420]

No, it was an actual deleted scene that was left as a storyboard and some fan remade

[@DraconimLt]

Oh come on. Vitani has Zira's ears and longer face! The reason she looks nothing like Kovu and Nuka is that they are both males. Also, Nuka says he has a different father to Kovu, so Vitani is either only full sibling to only one of them or half sibling to both if she has a different father too.

[@japanesejackalope]

I know it’s a theory but I think it’s unlikely simply because it’s Disney but it would be interesting. They dropped the Scar and Nala scene for a reason so I can’t see them wanting to even imply anything either. I do wish they would have given us more cannon story it would have been interesting.

[@weeb535]

But that doesn't prove it is or isn't cannon. For example, the lion guard isn't cannon for a lot of people.

[@littlesongbird1]

There is also a theory that Vitani was Nala's half sister (same mom and scar was Vitani's father) it can still explain why she mocks Nala later in the movie. Perhaps she was mad that big sister didn't fight her to stay in the pride.

[@japanesejackalope]

@@weeb535 Yes I know, I’m just saying it dose not feel likely though. I’m not saying it’s 100% untrue or not cannon, it could be but I just don’t think Disney would even attempt to do a storyline like that.

[@Creation_Mode]

Yeah but disney isn't so innocent, there is also a deleted scene in which scar flirts with Nala, praises her body. When you think about it disney is full of dark themes.

[@weeb535]

@@Creation_Mode but is that scene cannon? That's the real question.

[@raventhorn9287]

Because of that war scene dialogue, I actually do believe in this theory. Also, Disney wouldn't have even MADE a disturbing scene like that if it wasn't meant to be cannon.

[@spooktoonz]

That’s why it was deleted… because it was disturbing. Deleted scenes are not canon in any film unless the film itself acknowledges them. Plus, in the deleted scene itself, we see Nala leave directly after she rejects mating with Scar. So there would’ve never been an opportunity for them to actually mate.

[@IBeMelissa]

It WAS supposed to be canon that Nala left Pride Rock not only to try find help, but because she was escaping Scar's advances as he wanted her as his queen, not Sarabi. Now whether or not they did mate and she secretly had Vitani...that's all fan theory but it would be disturbing because that insinuates Scar r'ped her.

[@tramainedalejr.7183]

Don't forget kovu is adopted because the first born is not ideally fit. His death symbolized that

[@dumbfukx]

from what ive read nuka was apparently sick, thus the termites/fleas infestation and zira's decision to adopt kovu thinking nuka wont make it, for some reason i have a theory why everyone was so thin, that they were mostly feeding him because it would make no sense he grew up into a healthy lion and not looking thin like them

[@tramainedalejr.7183]

@@dumbfukx Well yeah but I was talking about his mental state his willingness to prove his worth in the most impulsive way possible like scar if Nuka have bide his time and waited to make his move and let Kovu slip up. His mother would have shifted her favor on Kovu and he would have had a chance to prove himself worthy. In other words Nuka lacked patience and was not using his mind his emotions got in his way and that is why he met his fate to Boulder Kun

[@princesspikachu3915]

@@tramainedalejr.7183It was a log that crushed Nuka. Log-kun not Boulder-kun.

[@tramainedalejr.7183]

@@princesspikachu3915 my bad it is has been a long time since I seen the movie

[@nishelletaylor1641]

Kovu didn’t die that was scar

[@theromanticpanda285]

No The reason why Nala left was because she wanted to avoid further advances and ending up pregnant, not that she'd have been already pregnant. In the creepy scene that ended up cut from the movie, we clearly see that Nala fights back early enough and leaves immediately when Scar tries to force her by announcing her his queen in front of the other lionesses. If Scar did have cubs, it was with Zira.

[@Miss-HoneyBun-LOL]

"Where's your pretty daughter, Nala?" "Vitani! 😠😠" Always hits hard after seeing this

[@Bjorgsparta]

Cant believe the fandom is still alive. Good ol' days..

[@marymagdalenedevout]

Vitani has violet eyes not torquoise blue-green like Nala… so in my theory she is the daughter of Tama and Tojo ❤

[@flashharriet5531]

Kiara and Vitani have the same colour fur but Kiara is younger than Vitani, EWWW!!!!! Vitani and Kiara are sister in laws if Kiara was Vitani’s sister but who are Kovu and Nuka’s father? All three of them said ‘Scar’ then in the lion guard Kovu said to Kion “Zira has completed her circle of life”. Why didn’t say “My mother has completed her circle of life”

[@kittybuns1226]

That would mean that kopa, which is Nala’s son. would be half siblings

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

Lion guard isn't cannon, there are literal magic powers lol.

[@tkyng2885]

It’s clear Nuka is Scar’s father and he said “Scar isn’t even his father he just took him in”

[@flashharriet5531]

@@tkyng2885 why did Nuka say Scar and not father?

[@tkyng2885]

@@flashharriet5531 Nuka has very close similarities to Scar and it makes sense why he doesn’t like Kovu. His father didn’t choose him because he looked sickly and weak so he chooses another cub who looks close like him

[@madisonmadgen8921]

Vitani looks nothing like Nala she just has the same colouring as her like most of the lionesses do (all the lionesses have similiar if not the same colouring). Nala has a way more filled out face while Vitani takes on the Outlander look. From what l know Vitani is the second born of Zira and Scar but because Nuka was weak and Vitani was a girl Scar REJECTED both as his heir and asked Zira to get another one (another cub) which is where Kovu then comes in. Plus if Nala is actually Vitani's mother no doubt Nala would NOT have gone to look for Simba out of shame. Also if Nala was Vitani's mother Zira for sure would not have accepted her into the outlander pride, plus not to mention when Nuka says "he's not even our brother" he says OUR, Nuka is older than Vitani and therefore would know if she was related to him or not. Not to mention Nala has supposedly had 3 cubs already Kiara, Kopa, and Kion l doubt there was a 4th. Also the scene where Scar approaches Nala because he needed an Heir is very easy to explain: Sarabi was obviously going to stay loyal to the pride and Mufasa even though he is dead, and with Sarabi being the Queen and rejecting Scar he knew he would have to pick someone else, Nala was the perfect option for him because she is independent and obviously didn't follow everything her mother and the other Lionesses said including Sarabi, so Nala was the perfect target because she was indepenent and didn't always follow with the others. Although this is a good storyline there is just too much facts to debunk it.

[@siobhanmcgoldrick4549]

True she's more boney like Zira

[@anakinskywalker6666]

I wish they'd have brought Lion Guard back for another season and even had Vatani and kion hangout together

[@littledarlings865]

Vitani is just a prettier young version of Zira. 🙄

[@Zaranisabigdon]

So your telling me that in the books simba’s non canon son,Kopa fell in love with his half sister?

[@betheheroofthebook]

Well hard to say, in the serie they made Kopa as Kion, Kiara's young brother, but he fell in love with a lioness who lives far away from the pride's land. Not with Vitani

[@always.Pastel]

​​@@betheheroofthebook Idk why I hate kion's and Rani's couple I'm very mad when I imagine or see that😔

[@jjthemystical1049]

Okay if you watched Lion King 2. Scar had no heirs. 0. Nada. Zilch. He picked Kovu as the best of the cubs. Scar never had cubs

[@animelover2428]

No nuka is scars only cub

[@priscillajimenez27]

Maybe because Kovu is a boy

[@JackalopeBunny]

Nuka is his cub, but rejected by Scar since he was messed up. Kovu and Vitani were adopted. So its possible Kovu and Vitani are not hers or Scar's.

[@24klogan86]

@@JackalopeBunnyI’ve always suspected that Nuka was scars biological child💯

[@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV]

Well a female may just not qualify as heir. As simple as that.

[@John_1920]

Hmm, Nala's stomach does look a little larger and wider in the jungle than when she's standing next to Simba on the Pride Rock at the end of the movie.

[@coreyz.2800]

Now, I could have sworn it was established in the movie that Kovu is Scar's son, directly. But it has been a while since I last watched it. At the very least there was a clear theme that he, above all the other Outsiders, was the "chosen successor"' to Scar's legacy. He certainly bears a very strong resemblance to Scar (as does Nuka) so it seems reasonable to assume they're biological brothers and that Zira is their mother. While it may simply be a matter of "hard living" Vitani strikes me as being older than both Kovu and Kiara, and sufficiently so as to make it unlikely that she would be born after Nala reunited with Simba. Part of this may just be that there is no timeline set in stone as to exactly how long after defeating Scar that Nala gave birth to Kiara at the end of the first movie. We do know, for obvious reasons, that a significant period of time passed from when Simba fled into the jungle to when he returned to the Pridelands. If we are to assume that Vitani really is Nala's daughter my theory would be that she was born shortly BEFORE Nala left the Pridelands, and that Nala's departure was as much a "scouting mission" as it was a desperate desire to distance herself from Scar and his "unholy seed" (much as many women today wish to have nothing to do with a child conceived under traumatic circumstances even to the point of having that child's life ended). It wasn't fair to Vitani, obviously, and that surely would feed her bitterness if she were to learn of their relation later on. It seems entirely likely that after returning with Simba and dethroning Scar Nala would have had no interest in raising Scar's child despite the cub also being her own. She could have simply told Simba that Vitani was one of Scar's offspring and he'd banish her along with the other Outsiders without much thought to who the mother of this cub might be. Zira then would take Vitani under her tutelage and feed the bitterness, anger, and resentment towards Nala while fostering loyalty to her e.g. "unlike that arrogant, pretentious lioness who abandoned you I have been here for you and I made you strong." It is also possible that Scar would have been the one to plant the initial seed of bitterness towards Nala by telling a very young Vitani that her mother abandoned her, and depending on exactly how much time passed after Nala fled the Pridelands to when she returned Vitani may have been old enough to recognize her mother from Scar's description of her but kept her distance. While it is possible Nala and Simba originally had no intention of banishing any cubs sired by Scar as they had not done anything wrong just by being born seeing Nala so quickly move on to Simba and a new cub may have spurred Vitani to lash out, maybe even attack Kiara at some point between the end credits of the first movie and the opening of the second, and to prevent any further attempts Simba would exile the offspring, and Zira was waiting to welcome them into her own pride. This could explain the venom in her voice when asking "Where's your pretty daughter" and why Nala knew this outsider's name despite Vitani only being a cub when she was exiled, yet didn't seem to know Nuka or Kovu (again, to my memory and it has been a while so I could be mistaken). Having been gaslit and manipulated by Zira and possibly Scar as well Vitani could reasonably have been under the impression that Nala abandoned her for not being "good enough" but "the daughter of the pretty-boy you replaced my father with was worth holding on to." And the way Nala snarled Vitani's name wasn't disdainful or dismissive as one might be towards a mere "enemy," it was angry and vengeful, indicating a deep, personal, and arguably righteous hatred towards her which would certainly make sense of a young Vitani had attempted to eliminate Kiara in a fit of jealous rage.

[@missindependent4711]

The movie made it very clear that Kovu was not Scars cub. In the beginning of the movie, right before the other lions sung to Kovu. The oldest son was expressing how he was annoyed with watch Kovu and he mentions Kovu was not Scars son, "he just took him in".

[@coreyz.2800]

@@missindependent4711 it has been like 15+ years since I last watched the movie so that part completely slipped my mind. Now that you mention it I can picture the scene between Nuka and Vitani.

[@JuliaMiner]

Fun fact: all of the new characters in Simba's Pride are named after their personality or traits of themselves or their pride Kovu: Scar Vutani: Battle Zira: hate

[@CadenceRae2020]

The only thing that we know for sure is that Nuka is Ziras kid with scar because zira is kovu but scar is not Kouv dad, because Nyla said the second movie, he’s not and I definitely think Vitani is Nala baby there’s just so much proof and the way they interacted in the second movie and I think scar forced his way on to Nala because she would never do that with him

[@m.a.ddragon939]

I think you should have mentioned the fan animation “The madness of King Scar” by Eduardo Quintana since you used their animation when discussing the Lion King deleted scene. This animation was not by Disney. There is a storyboarded and voice acted deleted scene of Scar coming onto Nala *and* the offical broadway musical makes a song and scene inspired by the deleted scene. *AND* that is the audio that the fan animation was then animated to. But this KZbin video doesn’t use the deleted scene storyboard as background footage, it uses Eduardo’s animation instead.

[@jacqueenofthenight]

That's very good to know!

[@BreannaBarnhart]

I'm not gonna lie that was very good reasoning! I actually new about it. But just think about it...Vitaleny as Nala's daughter?.....

[@KingLegendaryHero]

Zira: attack. *Nuka apears* Simba: (back slap) YEET!

[@laim5946]

this made me rethinking the whole image of nala and simba

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

I just wanna say I don’t think Scar went after Nala, I think he went after Simba’s mom because she would’ve been the strongest lioness while Nala was still a cub

[@ShadowOnTheWall666]

This is an interesting theory and the 'pretty daughter' jab does feel quite personal but a few points don't sit right with me: 1. I believe Vitani does share traits with Zira, their coloring and the shape of their ears. I have always thought she and Kovu were twins. Though I can see them and Nuka being half siblings because he's so much older that he was probably born during Scar's reign and might even be Scar's biological child. I can see Scar rejecting Nuka despite being a blood heir because Nuka had no brawn and might have had a mental defect. Scar also preferred Nala's children, so it could have also been a 'The Other Boylen Girl' thing but because she rejected him Kovu was the next best choice gene wise. 2. The Lion King clearly doesn't follow real pride rules otherwise Nala would be Simba's sister or have been eaten as a cub as you pointed out and Nala is too righteous to abandon a child just because of who their father is nor Simba rejecting a clean slate who could be raised with no knowledge of Scar. I can see him going overboard to keep the knowledge of Scar away from this cub and perhaps keep a closer eye on them than his own cubs but he'd love them because of the part of them that is Nala.

[@BakuBlader100]

I always thought she was an orphan cub that was taking in by Scar like Kovu was. I wasn't so sure about Nuka though either being Scar's biological son or another orphan cub he took in.

[@mako799]

Vitani looks much more like Zira than like Nala. Like... way more.

[@terrelljohnson4107]

Exactly because that's her mother

[@TrueEnergizerBunnies]

I always thought she was supposed to look like Zira. Zira had light fur. She could have gotten her eye color from her father because it's stated in the movie that Scar wasn't Kovu's father which means he isn't Vitani's father either if they were meant to be from the same litter

[@SpockVR]

To add on to this, I recently watched the broadway show. And there was a scene where Scar was talking to Zazo about how he needs a queen. When Nala walked in he started getting closer, and said how she should be his queen. Not sure if this I connected.

[@AtinukeAkindejoye]

My theory is that vitani is the daughter of zira's sister and i also belive scar would prefer another lionness

[@big_g2126]

Well I did see the deleted scene and yes scar asked Nala to be his concubine, but she refused and then ran away from the pride lands and that's as far as it was taken

[@GypsyHeartDemon]

Kovu isn't scars kid mentioned by Nuka, Nuka is Scars, Vitani who knows

[@imiinnerhalb4002]

I think Vintani looks just exactly like Zira

[@leonorakristinerozalinamll9473]

She is NOT Nala's daughter!!!

[@ViolentNightshade]

Nuka aside, I always just assumed that Vitani was Ziras cub and despite being raised as siblings was betrothed to Kovu in the same way Simba and Nala were, and it felt like Vitani hated Kiara because she took away her chance to be “queen”.

[@lili-wj6om]

The brothers aren't related. The one that is related to scar is the crazy looking one

[@caitlindulas8281]

Haha the crazy looking one

[@animelover2428]

I don’t think vatani is nalas if she were she wouldn’t have that tuft of nfur on her head or those fully cheeks I believe that zira truly is vitanis mother my theory is that zira got pregnant from a random male lion and had vitani

[@kwithcat]

I mean in the broadway, there was a whole song about Scar harassing Nala and that’s why Nala left Pride Rock

[@deannerodriguez2208]

My doubt in this theory stems on how Nala responds to Vitani's "Where's your pretty daughter, Nala?". The way Nala said "Vitani!" sounds angry, no sorrow or guilt. If it was intended that they are mother and daughter, shouldn't Nala respond a little guilt? I assume Vitani says that to mock Nala that Kiara is not present during the attack and that Nala is too soft to allow their daughter to fight... Or Vitani hinting she's gonna attack Kiara, hence Nala's motherly instinc kicks in...

[@LeahRobinson-fg4lu]

This theory is accurate. There's a delete scene where Scar tries to force himself onto Nala. I feel so bad for her.

[@DraconimLt]

Tried. Failed. She then left the Pridelands immediately. So this theory is NOT accurate.

[@siobhanmcgoldrick4549]

Yeah it's discusting

[@WayneKigen-rm3hj]

I love lion guard and it's powers

[@TheQuietOne95]

I mean Scar and Mufusa are canonically known to be brothers and yet are entirely different. Vitani not looking identical to her brother isn't entirely unwarranted. I don't think she was her mother - if anything, perhaps they were sisters.

[@robincarey6341]

This theory relies on lions only having one cub at a time. They don't.

[@lizzabee_18]

They don't in real life but the only time The Lion King depicts the birth of a cub, there's only one cub born. Examples: Simba and Kiara

[@robincarey6341]

@@lizzabee_18 It's probably about keeping stories simple over realism but it does stilt how far certain theories can go. I'd have liked a bit of sibling rivalry after Simba's return to the pride, something to mirror Scar and Mufasa.

[@Edward-nf4nc]

I say there is very clear evidence that she is not Nala's daughter, and that is the dark ring of fur around her eyes. We see it on Zira and all the female Outsiders, but we don't see on Nala or any of the Pridelander females.

[@priscillajimenez27]

Because they were malnourished

[@BrandonWestbrook-c9y]

Or Vintani can be nala’s sister?….

[@yamisart]

In all those years this has never crossed my mind 😱 Nala is basically her mother's clone. What if she tried to save Nala from Scar's desires and had Vitani as a result. And Zira took her because she has Scar's blood

[@jessicas.4898]

Interesting. When I first saw Lion King 2 I immediately liked it more than the first. I like the Shadow Land or whatever the dark area was called's pride and this theory is really interesting.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

I think it’s more likely Nala would have had Vitani prior to leaving to find Simba, with her leaving possibly being because she didn’t want to have another cub with him, then when Simba took over Vitani was taken away by Zira.

[@cinderpsycho1985]

this adds reason for Vitani being the lion guard as its the role often by those of royal blood but not bound by the throne to take the role.

[@laurasonberg3455]

can we add the fact that the leader of the lion guard is someone who is the sibling of the ruler, Scar to Mufasa, Kion to Kiara , Vitani to Kiara , so Im i would think there is a family connection

[@saritasteel3178]

I just hope that Kopa, the true firstborn of King Simba and Queen Nala and the True Crown Prince of the Pride Lands, appears in the movie of The Lion King 4: The Lost Prince, he will be the new main protagonist of the movie of The Lion King 4: The Lost Prince, while Vitani, the middle and only daughter of Zira and the new leader of the Lion Guard, she will be the new deuteragonist of the film The Lion King 4: The Lost Prince, as well as the girlfriend and future wife of Kopa, and finally, Scar and Zira will be the new main antagonists of the film The Lion King 4: The Lost Prince, as well as in the case of Scar, he is the arch-nemesis of Simba and Kion and he will also be the first arch-nemesis of Kopa, and in the case of Zira, she is the arch-nemesis of Kiara and she will also be the second arch-nemesis of Kopa.

[@ohemaafosuaah8906]

But we can’t ship

[@animelover2428]

Wait there’s going to be a lion king 4

[@melissazsigrai.221]

Where’s lion king 3.

[@casandrabeck9653]

​​@@melissazsigrai.221 lion king one, lion king 2, lion king 1 1/2( which is number 3)

[@vinamax]

If Kiara, Kovu, and Vitani are meant to be about the same age (with Kovu and Vitani being slightly older) this doesn't fit. Nala would have had to abandon her at birth and get pregnant with Kopa/Kiara immediately upon finding Simba, but even so Vitani would be much older than Kiara by the time she meets Kovu. Another possibility is that she was Sarafina's cub with Scar or another rogue, but Sarafina died so Zira fostered her -- still, would have to be a very runty cub and born after Simba's return.

[@siobhanmcgoldrick4549]

Alot of diffrent thoughts run through my head all the time even before i watched these things about nala and scar

[@Foxy-un7hy]

Well, technically one of the lines in Lion King2 did cut me off it's when that one of the lionesses said we're as a pretty daughter

[@fairyfoxey9438]

The deleted scene was supposed to be right before she ran away to find simba. Her running away in the deleted scene was her leaving to find simba! This theory is one of those that looks correct as long you squint your eyes and ignore all the things wrong

[@ScreamingSturmovik]

Vitani doesn't look that much like Nala, her eyes are a deep purple rather than a shade of blue and the little beard and smaller jaw i think the golden yellow coat is more to distinguish the main cast as almost all the "good" main characters have it (Simba, Nala, Kiara) although if i remember correctly all the lions have it early in the first lion king

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

Adults should be barred from theorizing about children movies. It should be illegal. Also Simba would take care of any cubs that were not his himself if we are talking about IRL behaviour of lions.

[@Kion-b1as]

I saw the deleted seince where scar said ‘’hey nala let’s get married and have little cubs’’

[@danarobinson6500]

kova isnyt her child. kova was in the pride rock and fell in love with vitania then she kept him to get back at kind thgat was there at that time.

[@SkylerMeyers]

I can't believe Nala kept a secret from the other lions she should tell them the truth

[@lindobuthelezi7504]

Mufasa and Scar are brothers but look nothing alike. The outsiders look different from pride landers probably because they are malnourished or something

[@Crasher1982]

I love these. Where people think about characters in our beloved movies and tv shows and say their theories about them.

[@alicealderman1049]

While i only have watched lion guard and haven't even touched lion king 1 or 2 i just can't see Nala giving up Vitani and i can definitely see her defending Vitani from banishment she just seemed like the type to defend all of her children to me (whether she wanted them or not)

[@darthyetgon]

I always thought she was Nalas sister or simbas sister just fathered by scar to where Kovu was scars and Nalas

[@danielledewitt1]

Kovu states that Scar wasn’t his father.

[@praveenshipramaanvishrimal1485]

Another reason why Nala didn't tell simba could be that she thought simba won't love her

[@garthbrown5725]

When do we see mufasa movie see Nala as a cub

[@elfiefromangelcity6142]

While there was a cut scene about Scar going after Nala, it never got animated. That was fan animated.

[@Moneyroenmn-cf5wq]

Or she can be maybe nala sister or the other female lions that can be they cub

[@benjaminthemandmsgeneral5376]

Simba didn't know that Nala had Vitani before Karia so is Simba the step-dad to Vitani that's my theory

[@SNHA-n5v]

Your theory makes no sense

[@michellemiddlemiss9890]

There also the fact vitani was able to take over the Lion Grund after Mama and Sambas cub left ,

[@Moneyroenmn-cf5wq]

I always thought why do always think what happened to Simba mom Simba mom and dont say nothing about nala mom and all the others female lion in the pride has to voice like i never hear them speak that makes me think are the lions from the lion king 2 are the same female lion from the lion king 1

[@Furrykitty10020]

You know nucca is the only kid if them

[@marayabond-clark7868]

Honestly, this all makes sense to me. I always wondered why Vitani's eye color didn't match at all and why Zira never acted like a mom to her. I think it works because Scar would want to continue his own bloodline after becoming King, and he would have gone and slept with all the lionesses of age to have cubs. Vitani looks like the perfect combo of Nala and Scar now that I think about it, and it does make sense that Nala wouldn't want to raise a cub from someone like Scar, who forced it on her, while Zira would raise any cub related to Scar because she loved him and wanted to continue his power. Also, Nuka (the older brother in Simba's pride) was the biological child of Zira and Scar - it also makes sense he's older because Zira slept with Scar first by choice before he decided to make the other lionesses sleep with him - but he just wasn't "strong enough" to be a leader so that's why Scar chose another cub that was born to be his heir -> Kovu. What's always been weird is while Kovu was Zira's biological son, Nuka says, "Scar wasn't even his father, he just took him in" in the movie, so it's really a mystery who Kovu's dad is because we never saw any other male lion. What I assume is that because Scar's first biological son was so wimpy, he sent Zira out to go find a strong rogue male, get pregnant by him, and come back so that his heir would have better genes.

[@laurynalana1876]

One thing you gotta wonder is where was Nala’s father along with Nuka & Vitani and Kovu’s father or if they each had different fathers, each kid looked nothing alike.

[@t-stonezthestonaman461]

I have a question that hopefully you could answer in another video. Why didn't Zira and her outlanders pride didn't come to Scar's rescue in part 1 since Zira had already given birth to Nuka by then?

[@SonarTheBat]

I always assumed Scar was the stepfather of Zira's cubs.

[@dahliarose6986]

Also with biology, it's true that mother lionesses are most common to abandon their cubs with other mother lionesses and they all usually try to have their cubs around the same times in the wild for the case that when hunting lionesses do all of it and need someone to babysit. So it's possible that Vitani was left with Zira because Nala was ashamed or because she went hunting for more food and to find a new home. But once she saw Simba again, she definitely went back into heat and basically made herself ignore her 1st cub and hide her away so she can't be killed by Simba. Normally the new male to the pride kills the cubs from previous in order to establish his pride.

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

Perhaps her mother was Sarafina, which would make her and Nala sisters.

[@tkyng2885]

The time difference is to key. Kiara and Vitani look around the same age so she can’t be pregnant twice in the same year.

[@misspinkpunkykat]

Animals in the same litter or twins can have different fathers.

[@tkyng2885]

@@misspinkpunkykat Can they tell who’s the father?

[@imogencory9591]

Lions can be pregnant up to four months so it's quite plausible that she could have had both of them in the span of only a year.

[@tkyng2885]

@@imogencory9591 That would mean Scar waited til she was old enough

[@ravenouself4181]

Have You guys even watched the movie? Vitani and Nuka are the kids of Scar and Zira. Kovu was adopted. THIS WAS ALL EXPLAINED IN THE MOVIE!

[@lunaamore2713]

Oh wow! This would explain why vitani enjoyed taunting Nala When she said "where's your pretty daughter nala." It has a whole new meaning now. Wow!😮 She wouldn't want nothing to do with raising scar's cub. Scar Chose Zira for loyalty, He knew Nala wasn't loyal. He wanted his cub raised by someone who would raise them loyal to him.

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

Also Scar was at one point the leader of the Lion Guard so having his daughter become the leader of the Lion Guard makes everything come full circle again.

[@augustrio1875]

I have to wonder tho, if nala was vitanis mom, zira could have also kidnapped her knowing that she was scars child, and didn't even give nala a chance. With zira being manipulative she may have made vitani think she was abandoned and not know she was taken away. Simba and nala don't seem the type to just give up on a child like that.

[@RubbiDuckiLuci]

I always thought she looked like a mix of Scar and Nala.

[@night4138]

I always thought, based on how the ages seemed, Vitani and Kovu were twins and never thought that Vitani was Nala's If this theory is true, it would technically make Kovu also Nala's(if me thinking they were twins is also true) and that opens a whole new can of worms.

[@ironwolf5802]

One slight problem, Nala wouldn't be able to have cub so soon after having Vitani. They seem the same age so wouldn't have been possible. Even if Nala had her before leaving the pride lands, it would have probably be full year to have more cubs if she abandoned Vitani. Leaving quite the age and size gap between Kiara and Vitani.

[@MelodyPeterson-h2o]

Vitani never felt like Zira's kid, especially since their lineage is brought in to question in the movie. This makes sense to me. Vitani never acted like Zira's daughter.