The Dumbest Disney Controversy

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[@chaddfrancis2179]

Great video.They're growing on me.

[@0ueddecillion718]

Fun fact: when you call someone fish in my country it means gay

[@chaddfrancis2179]

@@0ueddecillion718 You're from the Caribbean?

[@0ueddecillion718]

@@chaddfrancis2179 yeah

[@chaddfrancis2179]

@@0ueddecillion718 Cool,Same here.

[@thesupernaturalhouse]

fun fact: Priya, the one in yellow/orange, was suppose to have a queer arc with the emo girl at the party and we can stills see elements of this, like how Mei Mei puts them together at the party to dance and the faces they give Priya and how they got along almost instantly

[@Mrcleanfrfr]

Queen or queer arc?

[@somejellyfish]

@@Mrcleanfrfr Why not both… *evil gay laughter*

[@skylarthompson299]

And I think there was going to be a love story kind of Miriam and Mei. I’m not saying Turning Red is bad without the rep it’s still a good movie but it could’ve had more gay rep.

[@xxx-ie9ic]

@@somejellyfish we stan a queer queen! :p

[@Nerd704]

@@skylarthompson299 Feels like the most likely version is that there was a love story with Miriam that got cut by Disney and they came back with you can have a queer moment just not the main character! So they edited that part out and put the Priya part in and then they all but edited that part out too. There's a line where Mei yells "I Like Boys" which is super out of place since that's something her mom and family would expect. But if it was originally "I like boys AND GIRLS" the line makes a lot more sense. It's no wonder that the Pixar employees were basically in open revolt against Disney corporate for their censorship bullshit.

[@Volantredx]

A thing to remember is that a lot of Homophobes see queerness as a kink not a facet of someone's identity. To them, a gay man isn't a man who loves other men. He's a man who indulges a kink that involves having sex with other men. Telling kids about queerness is seen in their eyes like telling kids about BDSM kinks. You'll never be able to get them to see otherwise because they refuse to understand the difference.

[@nutella7162]

That's why one of the first things someone will usually say to insult a gay person is target the sexual part of the relationship (even if the person in question is aroace, a virgin etc.). Something along the lines of "I bet your bf gives it to you good, I bet you two buttfuck each other every night". They think of it as two wild animals using each other as holes. To them the idea of two same-sex people genuinely loving each other is impossible. The first thing they'd think on the mention of a gay couple is some shady nightclub filled with drug addicts and cigarette smoke with people fucking in the toilets and not a cozy couple cooking dinner at home. It's that preconcieved notion that views gay couples as inherently more sexual (and that sexual part being "worse" than straight people's) that's harmful

[@mayateeemm5728]

i tried to comment something similar but it got deleted, i guess i used a filtered word? but yeah i agree with you

[@HimitsuHunter]

Yep, basically this.

[@onyxtheowl24]

Thank you for the insight

[@bobydigital2450]

That's dumb. It isn't a trait of personality. You being gay won't change who you are. What do you expect all gay to throw glitter at you. Calling it a kink is too much but calling it a personality trait is straight up vile

[@SarcasticEverything]

I’ve seen way too many dumbasses online complaining about shows like The Owl House for “sexualizing” kids, all because it’s a non heterosexual couple. And that mentality has just been confusing me since I first saw it so it’s nice to see a video like this talking about it

[@santosic]

I never understand that mentality since The Owl House does nothing more than showing two teens falling in love in cartoonishly hilarious (and yet endearing) ways; literally nothing different from any other Disney property EVER that has the same thing happen to heterosexual couples. Literally nothing else is different except that the couple happens to be of the same sex. In other words, The Owl House treats it completely normal, because it is, but somehow that makes those idiots rage up. Change Luz or Amity into a boy and I guarantee you those same people wouldn't even look twice at the show. Absolutely bizarre line of thinking they have.

[@BillErak]

Homophobes have been using the gay = sex argument since forever. Portraying queer people as pedophiles has always been a strategy for them.

[@yesyesyesyes4923]

There is literally no sexual elements in The Owl House

[@SarcasticEverything]

@@yesyesyesyes4923 that’s why those claims are so dumb

[@kirskiell1432]

B-but they held hand-ds.. and they bl-ush.. and they ki-kissed on the CHEEKS!!! *faints from seeing such sacrilegious acts*

[@xXImikoXx]

The same people that say, "Stop shoving sexuality and orientation down kids throats!" Are the same people that ask 6/yo Billy if the little girl he met on the playground is, "His new girlfriend." It's not "sexuality" they're offended by, it's the idea of homosexuality.

[@jaketan8485]

Yes, I'm telling you this people are making excuses.

[@soyjoyy]

They need new excuses - animation studios are starting to ignore their bs.

[@moistisprobdead]

a main reason i don’t have any friends who are female because everybody starts saying “ooooooh he has a girlllfriend”

[@xd._.28234]

true,my mom ironically barely told me those love stories or she wouldn't ask me about boyfriends(I'm a girl) being little,like who tf asks a 6 yo about having couples,they didn't even develop their love interest yet... And it's sus to ask a kiddo who barely can clean itself to ask such things. It's weird. But ofc us the rainbow ppl are the odd ones. LMFAO ok😂

[@xd._.28234]

@@moistisprobdead me but the contrary 😂😂😂

[@harriyanna]

ok last comment, but thank you for the statement about racism. this is something that i have had to deal with from such a young age, before i hit my double digits. if kids of color experience it, then white kids can learn about it. im so tired of white parents shielding their kids from the subject of racism, because it results in them growing up and not understanding/realized why it's wrong and don't know how to interact with poc without being offensive.

[@FunFilmFare]

True. Literally why suburbs were invented . For racist White families to keep their children in a Whites-only bubble.

[@payt00n]

@@zxn5452 because a lot don't? It's a literal fact lmao you can look up the statistics yourself hun

[@ghostprince4284]

@@zxn5452 (Tch!)Typical YT Person Response

[@tarotsushima3332]

@@zxn5452 One: She's a black woman. Two: There is a discussion to be had on just how many parents handwave racist actions that their kids display to poc children. From being an Asian kid who had to deal with other kids pulling their eyes to taunt them, Middle Eastern kids who get called terrorists as well as Muslim kids, black kids who get disparaging comments about their skin or hair and Indigenous kids whose concerns about Thanksgiving & Columbus Day get ignored as well as mocking powwows and the all encompassing problem of having your cultures, food and clothing/hairstyles mocked by other kids and when issues like these are brought up, parents are more quick to say "They're just kids, they don't know any better!" than to say it's wrong. The amount of backlash I've seen against a recent Disney Junior show that revolves around a young black girl that has lessons about microaggressions and such just shows it's a prevalent problem. And you pulling the "Well not all white people" bs doesn't help solve it.

[@nutella7162]

@@zxn5452 This is an anecdote, but I knew several kids (now teens or adults) who were sheltered from the topic of racism, either because their parents were overly conservative and outright denied it or it was shrugged under the carpet for being too mature of a topic or irrelevant to their society (speaking as someone who lives in a country with population that is 99% white). There are many kids that have never seen a person of a different race in real life. That's when we had an exchange student from Kenya over, many kids just didn't know how to act

[@FaeFactor]

"... And having LGBTQ characters in a show can't make your kids gay because they already are." Right you are my friend, it just made me find people who were, and made me then realize that I could be very much gay. Edit: Wow, this has gotten a lot of discussion. Representation in media for me has gotten me to question more about myself. Raine Whispers made me ask about non binary stuff (also look at them) and kinda got my to start going down a path of self discovery. That's the original meaning of this comment that I just now understand how to communicate Edit 2 cause why not: Also representation has helped normalize something that I considered different when I was younger. When I was younger, I grew up with buddies that used gay in a bad way, so that is what I had connected to it. Surprisingly (not really), good representation like this made my younger self realize that there are other ways to live. This later made me question things about myself that I never thought of. I then later met people who helped me through answering these things. Probably need to stop coming back here to this comment

[@frankreasoning7993]

This is a value disagreement. Conservatives believe kids lack any sexuality and default to base norms of heterosexuality because it's the way to propagate a family. Liberals believe kids are born with a specific sexuality and have to be given examples of them to realize what they are.

[@gameking8809]

you are wrong. the number of gays is much higher nowadays then in the past

[@quinndepatten4442]

goated line actually

[@brandonwilliams6221]

Translation: My sexuality changed but I’m going to pretend like it was some pre-destined thing to push a non-sensical narrative and not have to admit that my peer group shapes who I become because then I won’t be an independent special free-thinking person.

[@endlesssummerpictures6329]

@@brandonwilliams6221 wait you genuinely believe that people are not born gay…you’ve got issues my man

[@moviehermit5631]

What's extremely annoying is that if they had Mei-Mei get into a generic relationship with Tyler with the explanation of "he only bullied her because he liked her", then all these people immediately thinking of gay kids having sex wouldn't have a problem with it at all

[@VelvetCamn]

When I was watching the movie, I was praying to god they wouldn’t do “if he/she bullies you, it means they like you” trope. In Society, it basically tells you “they could like you, so you should think that it’s a healthy relationship”.

[@Rosa-he6xb]

I’m glad they never did that, I mean I feel like he should’ve had a bit more buildup before the group deciding to adopt him into it(I like to imagine Tyler being like the girl’s annoying little brother in the group), but thank goodness they never decided to pair him with Mei or any of the girls.

[@aljsthings]

Their logic makes no sense and I'm annoyed by it

[@jeremyusreevu237]

@@aljsthings They just hate homosexuality displayed in any form, and will call it out, regardless of the context.

[@nolangerrans6083]

To be fair that type of thing totally happens, even if it’s dumb that it’s often portrayed as normal and a positive way to express feelings. Heck it happened to me, although I’m a guy who had a girl who was mean to me, not the other way around

[@Shikuuma]

And yet, when you come out as asexual/aroace, they get upset that you don't want to have sex. SO confusing. 🤦‍♀️ Edit: I hope this comment didn't come off ad negative to others. If it has caused a misunderstanding, or perhaps put me in a bad light, I deeply apologize. Love whoever you want, live the life you feel most comfortable with.

[@ChocolateLoveKitten]

Honestly. You just can't win with these people.

[@Shikuuma]

"How dare you have sex?!" "Mom, I'm asexual..." "....BUT, YOU NEED TO MAKE A FAMILY! I WANT GRANDBABIES!!!!!" It's sad how many stories I've seen that go like this.

[@thegoodwitchluzura]

An example of this is Jaiden Animations.

[@Shikuuma]

Ah, yes. One of the most sexualized KZbin creators comes out as Asexual? How DARE she? And how dare she feel uncomfortable with these strangers lewding her? It's so disheartening.

[@KaminoKatie]

@@Shikuuma You can always adopt

[@thesupernaturalhouse]

yeah I don't get why turning red got such bad reviews, I guess I get why they call it cringe but at the same tiem- don't pretend you weren't that cringe when you where 13

[@SpacePrincessPuppet]

I'm not gonna pretend I'm not sometimes equally cringe in present day.

[@bobydigital2450]

Honestly for me it was a lot of weird review that made me uncomfortable to see this as it was describe as something akin to big mouth but tamed. I was expecting children grinding or something was pleasantly surprised. I think it's coming up after Encanto

[@allmigthygoddess939]

I don't think most people are used to "Slice of life" animated movies. They are more used to the classic good vs evil stories.

[@Bolderox]

Watched it with my GF, and the thing that got me afterwards, was for how the story was all about mei and the female side of her family, and her friends, but the dad had the most powerful part in the movie to me... accepting all sides of themselves, even if they can be messy. That was the climax, twerking in front of a godzilla mom to have your family release their pandas to help mei with her mom and understand her was neat, but didn't hit a cord with me unfortunately like the dad scene.

[@followthewhiterabbit884]

Everyone was cringe with 13! No, you not? Liar!

[@acethetics3878]

I would argue that most of these relationships people are complaining about aren’t cases of sexuality, but romanticism. Crushes, holding hands, hugging, kissing, etc. are not sexual acts, but romantic acts, which confuses me even more as to why people still use the argument of “stop teaching kids about sex”

[@gameking8809]

"Crushes, holding hands, hugging, kissing, etc. are not sexual acts, but romantic acts," wrong

[@d.padm3582]

@@gameking8809 again?!? you really ran out of things to say, this is very lazy trolling

[@thedarklrd6714]

@@gameking8809 find a better hobby

[@iknowwhatyouare102]

@@gameking8809 Do you even know what grass is at this point?

[@xd._.28234]

real, there's still people hating school for telling in biology how life works just because they feel it would disturb their teens... in 2022 like stfu

[@saramorgan4744]

I never quite understood why some people think that watching an LGBT couple in a show would make their children gay... Like, I was exposed to basically nothing but straight couples in media and guess what, I'm aro-ace even tho I never actually saw that anywhere! If it wasn't for Pinterest, where I found the label, I would surely believe that something was wrong with me; where are the feelings that mass media insist I should have? Why have I never been atracted to a single person despite romance apparently being the ultimate goal of life? And you know, this is why representation matters. To assure us that we are not broken and that being heterosexual is not the only way in life.

[@yulee3266]

@@ExeErdna from what i can tell it varies from kid to kid they pick up on and copy certain things and don't do for others

[@ExeErdna]

@@yulee3266 It's how we learn honestly. We copy what we like and ignore what we don't.

[@Rain-ov9dg]

Exactly! On the flip side, I've been aware of non-hetero couples since I was a young child and had access to media with lgbt+ couples. So by their logic I should be bi or gay or something other than straight, and yet I am straight. There are many people out there who were only exposed to straight couples and have known they weren't straight. Their "logic" just doesn't make sense.

[@redpanda6497]

Same! That's why I didn't get what was "wrong" with me.

[@billykaplan9915]

Funny story when I was young i only see one gay kiss on my whole life and ended gay but when I was a kid i didn't knew what to think about gay people i thought it was weird

[@yesitsmeagain5511]

I remember showing my little brother (8) the owl house when it first came out, and he didn’t even flinch at the fact Amity and Luz were in a relationship. He was honestly more concentrated on the weird creatures. Kids do not care about gayness. Because they don’t realise it’s not accepted by everyone. Kids are gullible and extremely accepting! That’s why we need more diverse media

[@oxo1]

I've always felt that kids are more receptive and laid back about diversity in media than what a lot of adults think. For example: Paranorman. I watched that movie years back and I watched a few clips a while ago to jog my memory and I think I did take notice that the jock, Mitch, admitted to having a boyfriend at the end of the movie as a kid. I wasn't drilled in with any negative feelings towards the LGBTQ+ community by my household and I am a standing ally today. It just wasn't brought up to me at the time. To me, Mitch dating another man wasn't seen as sexual or disgusting. It was just normal. Passive. In my younger years I was also really interested in animated short films. There was quite a popular one called In A Heartbeat, where one boy greatly admires and loves another student. I assume he's popular as well. I thought of that as natural too, while also being quite adorable. Then there's the viral reaction channel with "KIDS REACT TO IN A HEARTBEAT" and even they're quite positive about it. I learned about the LGBTQ+ community through a lot of KZbin videos as a child and it never had a bad impact on my life. To me, it was the same as boys kissing girls. There's not much of a difference on paper because you're kissing a person you like, no matter the gender. Hatred and discrimination is always taught. Whether through family, friends, social media, school, anywhere in the world. But acceptance can grow there too.

[@daniapfel9673]

@@oxo1 Yeah

[@Ghostface1998]

The fact people were hating this film just for the animation style I was like bruh you haven’t even seen the movie I haven’t seen it yet but I saw clips and it looks cute and funny

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Not to mention these people have clearly never seen bad animation in their lives. If they saw even a frame of a Dingo Pictures movie, the people who are hating on TR's animation would melt like the wicked witch of the west.

[@mrcoffee2634]

@@jeremyusreevu237 They were taking about people hating the animation style not it being bad animation that is a different thing all together

[@SoupsSB]

The animation was one of the highlights for me, I don't get why its hated

[@jeremyusreevu237]

@@mrcoffee2634 That's what I was saying too. Like, I get why people wouldn't be in love with TR's animation, I personally think it's just ok, but the fact that there are people who think this is the worst animation ever, when Dingo Pictures, Food Fight, and god knows what else exists makes me cringe in anger.

[@demetrian7856]

@@jeremyusreevu237 Illumination. Their style is so ugly, and I wish they would change it. The animation is the highlight of all of their movies, everything else being mediocre, and the stylization makes me really sad. They have such talented people but they've forced a standard on them.

[@pokuhmoo9415]

Avatar: Has a 12 year old boy (who is technically 112 years old) Kissing a 14 year old girl Random Consumers: that's fine Owlhouse: has two girls of the same age holding hands Random Consumers: NOOO! Unacceptable

[@thunderpantz]

Big Avatar fan, but yeah.

[@yourmom6383]

@@thunderpantz same here

[@Jesus-hu4lq]

Yep. Wait isn't the other character in the relationship nonbinary

[@arabellasterwerf7980]

@@Jesus-hu4lq There is an older WLNB couple in the show. Eda and Raine! They are both ex's, but they still have feelings for each other. There is some drama around them. Both are adults. Raine is Non-Binary and uses They/Them pronouns in the show!

[@brickercustom]

I think Brock's sexual harassment would be a better example of double standards, considering Aang didn't grow or age while frozen.

[@neimahound]

THANK YOU. I remember years ago it was preached to me that queer couples in my media was "super sexual" when they barely did anything beyond holding hands. Shortly after I saw Happy Feet... which has TONS of suggestive humor and was advertised as being for the very young because its all hetero. The hypocrisy made me so mad. I've been making this argument ever since.

[@mr.x2567]

Oddly enough, that movie really was basically a story about growing up while being different in an unaccepting world.

[@matheussanthiago9685]

@@mr.x2567 seriously, you can take the donkey to the water, but can't force it to drink even if you spell the message ppl you choose to not fucking see it

[@jackb.207]

In nature penguins can be super Gay, they can form gay couples and steal someone else egg to have a child on their own. Call it forcefull adoption.

[@gameking8809]

it´s more about the iimplication.

[@d.padm3582]

@@gameking8809 (double i) this one doesn't even make sense

[@harriyanna]

people have an issue with lgbtq rep in kid movies and shows but didn't see a problem with agent honeydew in dexter's laboratory dating a monkey.

[@nerdylab8746]

EXCUSE ME WHAT??!

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Because our parents didn't care what were we watching. As long as we were quiet everything was fine. So it was up to us to question the weird shit we were watched on TV as kids. Today's parents are to controlling over what their children are watching.

[@ExeErdna]

Parents didn't watch Dexter's lab and kids didn't really talk about it Honeydew and Monkey. It's like how Cankers sexual harassment just slid right on by. Or why Cow and Chicken existed...

[@KingBobXVI]

@@valentinkambushev4968 - I think that's still largely the case. Parents aren't watching these shows for the most part, it's "concerned mothers" groups catching wind of it and spreading the word to be outraged.

[@okamijubei]

@@KingBobXVI I think the proper term with those mothers are called 'soccer moms'.

[@pacman5698]

Renegade Cut said it with his She-Ra analysis, and I think it can be applied with the idea many don't want to see problems exclusive to women shown in popular cinema as well. Saying "I don't hate (marginalized group), it's just that children shouldn't be seeing them!" is a form of prejudice no matter how much they try to dress it up. That line of thinking inherently makes an argument the very idea of someone existing is inappropriate and vulgar to the rest of society when the norm is not and thus has less of a right to actually be shown in public. Which, yes, is a prejudice. There are plenty of ways to be bigotted against others without directly stating your hatred of them outright. Furthermore, explaining these issues to children isn't anymore hard to explain to them than the other examples of intense stuff regarding adolescence and sexual orientation that are deemed normal. It's like a story somebody posted where this father took his kid to see the Batman and he was fine having his child watch all the violence and physical beatdowns, but it's only when there was a scene implying a character was bi when he took his kid out of the theater.

[@xblade149]

Thanks

[@hellblaze10]

We are strange and contradictory beings.

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

@@xblade149 T H A N K

[@xd._.28234]

Each time i hear it I'm like 💀 and if i ever become a parent : " I'll make the kid know to be truly far from people of your kind!! No, ofc i don't hate you guys, I know you guys can arrive to be nice,i just find you all hella inadequate to be listened by a kiddo, just in case of turning them into a douche and with sociopath traits and no empathy at all!"

[@dustydaboi]

I get so confused when people bring up Luz and Amity from the Owl house when talking about 'sexualizing the kids'- but never mention Dipper and Pacifica in Gravity Falls or Star and Marco in Star Vs The Forces of Evil. It's sounds like homophobia, not protecting the children. (Edit- I thought Pacifica and Dipper where together, it's been years since I've watched it)

[@ExeErdna]

Because it goes beyond base homophobia because they clearly ignore toxic hetero relationships because they never watched either show.

[@matheussanthiago9685]

@@ExeErdna good point tho

[@matheussanthiago9685]

and btw, who in their right mind can watch cute animated girls being harmlessly cute together and get mad? I mean, seriously, how sad do you have to be to spend time and energy seething at literal fictitious girls???

[@faith4657]

Dipper andPacifica were a thing, I never knew that was that shown in the show cuz I never saw it.

[@hyalophora]

Dipper and Pacifica aren't together though

[@aljsthings]

They say people who added gay characters in their shows/movies are dirty minded but they're the ones who thought of sex in their minds first 🤦‍♀️

[@jackb.207]

What can i say, everybody wants to get some

[@KokaKola633]

@@jackb.207 bro get out 😭

[@jackb.207]

@@KokaKola633 we all down bad inside

[@squeaks5677]

@@jackb.207 what you know about rolling

[@msm8434]

True!

[@mcmuffinbooper2333]

I find it funny when you bring up the double standard you get folks saying "Well I'd complain whether it was gay or straight!" But then you never see this claim being confirmed. You almost never see the straight ships between minors or best friend characters being bashed

[@Jenna-in4br]

I've seen people say that.

[@Underworlddream]

I think their was a thing with New SheRa with Entrapa and Hordak. People thought it was creepy that a teen or Preteen was hinted to be in a relationship with a older man. Later on one of the guys who work on the show said she was basically a really short adult in a Tumblt account so people won't be creep out. So that was the straight ship that people objected to.

[@BLeePrit]

@@Underworlddream Yea Entrapta is actually around 30 but she's a nut so it's hard to tell.

[@bengi8907]

@@BLeePrit Another issue is that she is labeled as a princess as her parents are dead, but shouldn’t she be a Queen then? Princesses are usually teenagers and young adults. Then again Frosta, who is a ten year old is a ruler but still labeled a princess. Is the title Queen not important in She-Ra?

[@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife]

on the matt walsh video concerning disney with the new lightyear movie and turning red, in the comment section i was talking to a person who said that people could choose if they are gay or not.

[@internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77]

Disney: (Thanks an organization linked to Uighur detainment in the credits to Mulan) Parents: "I sleep" Disney: (Shows girls being friends and even simping after boys but apparently they were 'too affectionate' with each-other) Parents: "ThInK oF tHe ChIlDrEn!"

[@isaiahvaldez3330]

Parents are colluding with the CCP confirmed

[@jackb.207]

Nobody cared about mulan

[@sunnyscript1224]

@@jackb.207 or their concentration camps, apparently.

[@jackb.207]

@@sunnyscript1224 i mean it's on brand for Americans to not care about concentration camps. Cough* WW2

[@devingendron2287]

5:23 As an openly queer high school teacher, I want to note the joy I got out of learning that there is a teacher in Florida whose response to the law banning discussions of gender and sexuality in the classroom was to...refuse to discuss gender or sexuality in the classroom. By only using gender neutral language for themselves and their students and not discussing any sorts of relationships including not acknowledging the existance of straight people either. Malicious compliance is one of my favorite forms of resistance to unjust laws, when outright getting rid of them isn't an option.

[@brainsteroids8043]

I support you! As a teen of high school age, I really want to watch you succeed. If you have any friends or are in any circles of people with people who share your profession in Florida, try to get the word out! Every teacher in Florida needs to get that memo. Like me, a lot of LGBT+ kids in school don't or haven't had good home lives... they need a safe space. I hope you're doing well, and I hope the same for your students. I think young people are some of the most important people in the world, and how they use their potential depends on what we teach them.

[@barabimbaraboom7830]

Can't you just let kids be kids? maybe decide later on? maybe encourage table tennis instead?

[@CharlotteSWeb-oh7ou]

@@barabimbaraboom7830 Those phrases mean nothing and are in response to nothing. LGBT kids have a right to an education that includes them and fetishing the Victorian ideal of "innocence" only makes it so that abused children have no language for what has happened to them.

[@barabimbaraboom7830]

@@CharlotteSWeb-oh7ou What age are we talking about? 13+?

[@passionate_possum_pal]

@@barabimbaraboom7830 that teacher is letting kids be kids, they aren't discussing gender or sexuality ever at all. They aren't pushing them one way or the other.

[@crumblyairship]

i haven't even watched The Owl House but it always confuses me when people bring up Lumity with the whole "sexualizing kids" debate. from what i've seen of them, Luz and Amity are as pure as any couple can get, gay or straight. they're just two kids falling in love with each other

[@parisheidi3119]

The most "sexual" thing they have is when Amity kissed Luz on the cheek.

[@aljsthings]

@@parisheidi3119 literally Aang and Katara kissed on the lips twice and they have no problem with it but a kiss on a cheek is "sexual"

[@matheussanthiago9685]

to quote me from another thread about lumity ''how sad do you have to be to spend time and energy seething at literal fictitious girls???''

[@faith4657]

@@aljsthings actually no aang and Katara never actually kissed on the lips until the ending of the show, it was just a lot of cheek kissing.

[@beanilla5575]

@@faith4657 they were HEAVILY implied to have kissed in the cave of two lovers episode, aang kissed katara before he left in the day of black sun episode and he also kissed her during the recap ember island players episode. so they kissed on the lips 4 times in the series and those kisses were shown 3 times

[@jharmond3874]

There is a movie called "But I'm just a Cheerleader" and it's about a high schooler being sent to a conversion camp for her being attracted to girls. A part of the movie commentary is how homophobes tend to make it all about sex and sexualizing the youth when it's not. I actually recommend checking it out it's a unique film, to say the least.

[@1blossom3]

OMG I LOVE THAT MOVIE

[@Winter0721]

OH THATS WHY IT TURNED UP ON MY SUGGESTION A LOT FOR 2 YEARS BEFORE I GOT KZbin PREMIUM It knew :0 🏳️‍🌈

[@barabimbaraboom7830]

but what if the homophobes are born with a gene that makes them homophobes? you have to be tolerant, no?

[@Winter0721]

@@barabimbaraboom7830 w-what?

[@Nicejokeright]

Are you blind to all of the bullshit the alphabet community has been trying to shove down children throats since this year started?

[@hazbinotakusimp2182]

It was funny because I watched this movie with my grandma (whom raised me) and at the part when the mom showed her disgust for 4Town after Mei asked to go to the concert, my Nana said "my dad was the exact same way about Elvis when I was young because he was sex hahaha" and then later "your mom wanted to go to a concert with her friends" and I asked if she let her go, she laughed and said "no of course not" then proceeded to tell me that my mom ended up just running away from home to see the concert and was gone for 3 days. I was just... Really Nana? You didn't see that coming? (my mom was a rebellious type)

[@elenafriese891]

Ok, that's adorable (I think, my reading comprehension isn't entirely here today)

[@davidcobb1171]

Let me just say, the whole "sexuality equals sex" argument is just a right-wing talking point.

[@julianmarco4185]

What is your sexuality? / Who would you have sex with? Seems pretty similar to me...

[@ianandrews8530]

i wouldnt even go so far as to say its a right wing talking point id only go so far as to say its a talking point especially for homophobes who just are really uncomfortable with any mention of gay sex let alone children having gay sex

[@firelordwaffle2987]

@@ianandrews8530 The idea that gayness is inherently sexual goes beyond being uncomfortable with the sex part alone.

[@marissam3176]

They are the same people that can’t separate aesthetic attraction, romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or platonic attraction in their minds.

[@gameking8809]

and also a fact

[@itsaUSBline]

Definitely agree with everything said here. It's really odd how gay pairing are all treated as inherently sexual, like it's some sort of kink, while straight pairing are generally always considered totally wholesome and non-sexual unless we're explicitly shown them having sex (which of course never happens in media aimed at younger audiences). I do think there's something problematic about equating sex with unwholesomeness, and Americans have a lot of strange hangups about the topic as a whole, but that's neither here nor there in regard to the discussion at hand. But like, why use Turning Red footage for most of the video when there's almost no LGBT rep in the movie whatsoever, beyond the subtext of Priya and the goth girl dancing together for like a second onscreen? Strikes me as a bit odd.

[@sorleytarrys8501]

But this goes both ways. Claiming that Luca and Antonio are gay Just because they behaved like boys normally during that age or Isabella beeing lesbian Just because she didn't wanted to marry Mariano ist also stupid. Tyler on the Hand, the Concert at the End of the Movie was my first wtf Moment followed by Tyler must bei gay.

[@brandonwilliams6221]

It is a kink. Not a single gay person I’ve met has proved me wrong. The idea that we should listen to people who would be the *most biased* on this subject is ridiculous.

[@kelinky-sama1603]

@@brandonwilliams6221 Under what pretense? The very existence of people who follow the dual attraction model (AKA distinguishing between sexual and romantic attraction) suggests being gay doesn’t equate to sex at all. I’ve met queer people who aren’t interested in sex, some who are uncomfortable with the mere mention of it, but who still date folks of the same sex. Clearly it’s not because it makes them horny. “Not a single gay person I’ve met has proved me wrong.” Hey bud, in Stat we call that a convenience sample. I’ve never met someone with a Scottish accent; does that mean those are fake too? If your point is that queer circles tend to be kinkier than non, well yeah. Imagine that - circles that have been labeled as taboo for perversion, finding community with OTHERS that have been labeled taboo for perversion! But again, non-kinky queers are out there. Unless your whole point is that butt-fucking is kink? In which case hey, to each their own, but consider that what can and can’t be identified as “kink” is based on your own biased viewpoints and what you’ve been conditioned to perceive as commonplace or “normal.” It’s not exactly a steadfast rule.

[@strawburryjamz2974]

@@brandonwilliams6221 Its not a kink. Sorry you only know Sexual Gay people but that doesnt represet all gay people and not all aspects of gay life is sexual.Some gays dont even like nor care for sex. You're talking about being baised when you're opinion is baised bases on The people you have met. All gay people arent the same we are all unique individuals. Straight doesnt equal Kink Just like how gay doesnt equal that either. They are both sexualities can be be portrayed in a sexual light or A non sexual light. You just choose to Not Look for examples of non sexual Gay people and stories. You clearly have zero idea what a kink is.

[@strawburryjamz2974]

@@brandonwilliams6221 Gay- The word gay means two people of the same gender, a man and a man or a woman and a woman, who love each other. It describes a boy who wants to have a boyfriend or a girl who wants to have a girlfriend. “Gay” can refer to either men or women but it is sometimes used just to refer to gay men. Kink- In human sexuality, kinkiness is the use of non-conventional sexual practices, concepts or fantasies. See the difference Kink is purely sexual being gay simply isnt now re think what you just wrote

[@balesplace]

The argument that LGBTQIA+ media is ‘shoved’ in peoples’ faces is even funnier when you consider that for the last however many years, straight couples and stories have been ‘shoved’ in all of our faces, yet no one complains. It appears in Disney princess movie, fairy tales, most love stories in major movies, the nuclear family, and straightness being the norm in our society, yet some people complain that noooo, just because a marginalized group is finally getting acknowledged, it’s a personal attack on them.

[@billykaplan9915]

That's actually a good point they told you that you should have a nuclear family and love a woman yet that's hiding reality of the vast world we have single mothers and single fathers exist and kids should learn to appreciate their family and learn that any type of family is valid

[@Techydad]

I'm a straight male, but even I know that representation matters. Part of the reason I know this is because I'm Jewish and nearly all media I watched growing up had all of the characters be Christian. Then came Rugrats. Suddenly, we had a Chanukkah special instead of a Christmas special. And a Passover special! A Passover special!!! Yes, I was a teenager by the time Rugrats came out, but it was still amazing. Here was the main character celebrating the holidays that I celebrated instead of Yet Another Christmas Special. Did this Chanukkah special somehow invalidate the thousands of Christmas specials/songs/movies that already exist? Of course not. It just gave me something to look at and recognize as being like me. The same is true for LGBTQ relationships. If I was looking for straight characters to relate to, I'd have my pick of way too many to list. But until recently, an LGBTQ teen wouldn't have had anyone to relate to. Thankfully, that's changing. More people being able to relate to more characters is a very good thing in my book.

[@hopefullyhopless]

Honestly, the movie was decent. Not amazing, not horrible, and any real sexuality undertones was overblown. The fact that we all give this so much attention is what makes it an issue. Just let the story be.

[@cherrydreampalladin9784]

I think the movie was a typical "good to watch if you have a free afternoon movie" if you can get past some rough scenes at the beginning of it. I'm surprised that such a simple movie about a group of girls has sparked so much controversy and discussion.

[@hopefullyhopless]

@@cherrydreampalladin9784 my daughter enjoyed it and other than the last song staying with me for a day, I did not give it much more thought. Hahaha

[@snugglethighsjammers]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!! I’m glad more people are talking about this topic as the assumption is freaking stupid and downright hateful with how some people choose to believe that just cause sexuality has sex in the word that’s all it means when that couldn’t be stupider

[@kirskiell1432]

Sextant 🥵

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

It really doesn't matter which side you are to be stupid. Sean O’Connell(a critic) was slammed relentlessly because he couldn't relate to the character(so his review was mild, gave it an average score , not good not bad), they say he has white privilege so he can't understand minority, some even call him homophobic

[@solsystem1342]

@@aokhoinguyenang3992 that has literally nothing to do with the comment... this comment is about people who don't want LGBT+ rep not review scores...

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@@solsystem1342 That's right, it was about representation, that's why it had to be at least a 9/10 to please people. So they haunted him until he apologized, delete his original review(in which he had already admitted he's not the target demographic & if you are, you'll like it more than him)

[@DrMFoster7]

It's the only thing he did in the video. There's no actual content applying to the movies he's talking about, he just said "other side bad" and "gay people exist" for the whole duration. Liking this is equivalent to liking someone just saying you're right for 14 minutes with an ad read in the middle.

[@somejellyfish]

Thank you for the amazing video as always. Happy to see another’s opinion on the movie who is thinking LOGICALLY.. (especially when it’s one of your opinions). Also, the Tesla thing is amazing. I love it so much, helping others and the environment, and giving so many people the chance to get a brand new Tesla (which looks super cool).. like that’s amazing.

[@recognizablebrandname]

Aye, helluva boss fan

[@somejellyfish]

@@recognizablebrandname YEEEES.

[@sebastian69216]

HI STOLAS

[@deathmastersful]

I hate how the extremes are the ones mostly being covered. Hi, I’m a Floridian. I used to be a substitute teacher. I’m bisexual. I’ve have seen both extremes and fucking hate how they are talked about on both ends demonizing everyone on both ends and in between. The “date say gay” bill is a bill that stops sexual talk for k through 3rd grade kids. I have seen teachers try to literally indoctrinate kids into being gay when they have no idea what it is. Yes kids are smart, they can think for themselves, but we live in a SOCIETY that teaches kids to listen to adults. So if an adult is telling an impressionable little kid to be gay then that is bad. I have seen teachers take a neutral stance where they explain a few things, but vague enough that they go to their parents about more detailed information like the kid is suppose to. Also people getting mad because 2 boys have a caring relationship that borderlines being gay is also very stupid. Though extreme homophobia is the exception not the norm. Some people are understanding while others are just idiots. We need to stop giving voices to the extreme idiots and find a middle ground Also if you quit your job because you can’t teach kids about lgbt stuff in elementary school then you are the problem.

[@godless7571]

@@deathmastersful You hate both extremes? So that's why you talked about the "leftist extremes" for multiple sentences and had one sentence for the "Right wing extremes" of course then saying that barely anyone thinks that way. The bill was literally called don't say gay. I have never had any sex talk in my classes let alone any stuff on lgbtq sex. And how were these teachers " trying to literally indoctrinate kids into being gay when they have no idea what it is" Maybe k through 3rd graders should know about gay people and if you think that means teaching them about sex then you are the problem.

[@KaiserNeko]

Thank you for making a video about this specifically. It means a lot to hear more voices being upfront and steadfast that sexuality=/=sex, that LGBT+ kids deserve LGBT+ characters in their stories, that normalization of these aspects is good for EVERYONE, and that there is a huge fucking double standard.

[@SailorYue]

I hate how people can get when 2 same gender characters are closer than friends that they immediately go to the gutter. Like that's the biggest salt I've seen for Steven universe, everyone was all up in arms like "it's an allegory for sex grrrrr" and... It's... Not? Atleast I never saw it as that! Like... 2 people the same gender can be close friends, not everything in media is about that

[@AlphaPizzadog]

Clearly it couldn't be purely about romantic love because otherwise Steg would have never happened. Its just about having such a close bond that you literally become a personification of that relationship and shared traits and ideals.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

Yeahhhhh...I subscribe to the idea that fusions are just relationships in general, friendship and familial love included.

[@vilmublues752]

@@MrAuthor3DS That's what the creators confirmed fusions are. Representations of different types of relationships.

[@matheussanthiago9685]

it's almost as if their projecting some repressed degeneracy or something

[@MrAuthor3DS]

@@vilmublues752 Ah, good!

[@MrsBunny-hg4yg]

7:57 Whenever someone said “Oh they’re too young!” I always bring up Ponyo and Sauske from “Ponyo”. They were both literally 7 years old and no one has a problem with it because they are a boy and a girl.

[@randomness5986]

I confess, there was a point where I felt like the whole 'they're trying to shove gays into everything' was a thing. However, it's not because I had anything against the LGBT+ community. It's because I saw it as producers trying to 'represent' these people in order to placate them and expand their audience by trying to appeal to that demographic. I have nothing against gay representation in media, so long as it comes from a genuine place. When I first started noticing this trend of shows having gay characters, it didn't feel genuine to me. It's like how shows that are geared primarily towards boys will have a girl character as part of the main group so that girls will have a 'reason' to watch it. Fortunately, I've noticed that this is becoming less and less of an issue. The genuine representation of concepts like female empowerment, gender equality and non-straight people is getting better. It just ticks me off that there are still people out there who want to keep kids completely in the dark because they don't like the idea of two dudes holding hands or two chicks being literal girlfriends.

[@KaminoKatie]

I feel like Psychonauts 2 should be the golden standard for LGBT+ rep in media

[@respectwahmen]

While I do agree that disingenuous representation of these topics does suck, i still feel it is better than nothing. It does what it pretends to do; normalise these things. I predict that eventually it will just become norm to include diverse range of characters. Wrong intention right outcome?

[@ExeErdna]

@@respectwahmen "trash representation" is a sign things are getting better. Since not all rep needs to be famboyant and in your face, if it's boring to out and out "bad" that's good rep. Since good rep means all is allowed not just what makes X look the best for the people to consume.

[@jackb.207]

Tbf i would love to see more gay couples and whatever but not in the side lines yelling "We Gay! *kiss* sigh *thumbs up*"

[@gameking8809]

strangely they only want to represent certain minorities while others are completely ignored

[@AnglesSol]

Honestly, we as humans, agree in a majority for whats is “the right way” to do things and end up denying the minority for not thinking the same or similarly and we then end up making excuses or thinking of a way that justifies why it’s wrong. In an alternate timeline things could be the exact opposite and we would have the same issues but in another coat of paint.

[@KaminoKatie]

So it's really more of a humanity issue in general?

[@AnglesSol]

@@KaminoKatie Pretty much yeah, I mean we are the only beings we know of that have the capacity to use our brains and have a sense of consciousness to question about anything that revolves around us instead of being carried away by primal thinking.

[@solsystem1342]

@@AnglesSol except we're not... plenty of other hominids have existed and many animals survive though adaptation and critical thinking. For example some birds (forget the name) craft hooks for fishing out insects and you can tell were they're from based on the design of the tool.

[@ExeErdna]

@@solsystem1342 What's Angles Sol is talking about isn't adaptation or critical thinking. It's self-centeredness due to their comforts being testing. Humans love removing pain from their lives, yet that also creates social blindspots and awkwardness. That things can lead into misplaced pride, enviousness towards nothing and anger towards the petty. AKA "The Right Way" "I was raised this way so you're wrong!" that's Pride. Being upset because others are validated is all three and goes both ways. This is left over tribalistic mentality that kept us alive because if you didn't conform and uphold what worked you'll most likely die. So yes in an alternate world, hell even now you can see how both sides act when the characters sexualiy isn't expressd how they want it.

[@deerinheadlights7179]

@@solsystem1342 we are the only ones on this plane at least as far as we know that actually have reason and can think. Sure, animals can be trained and they can develop new instincts... it clearly does not equal the reasoning that helped us have inner and social conflicts or create books about manners or teh concept of fashion. What you have descried is not really critical thinking.

[@bee4123]

thank you! it drives me insane when people think lgbt characters will make their kids queer. guess what? i grew up watching straight couples and i still ended up being queer myself. plus seeing a real life, wholesome and happy queer person or couple on screen would have probably made growing up a lot easier. let ur kids enjoy media meant for kids that happens to include lgbt representation because you're either showing them they what they already feel is normal or you're showing them that people who feel that way are normal and should be treated the same as anyone else.

[@faith4657]

That is true. But not all parents think that way though, there are some parents that are okay with it but not old parents are like that. Not all parents want to expose their kids to that level of worldview yet, because to the kids themselves maybe maybe even to the parents sometimes a man and a woman who always be the default couple pretty much all the time as it started from a man and a woman and maybe it'll end with a man and a woman we don't know, so they basically just want to show their kids that this is okay. Plus not all parents want their kids to be raised by the internet, is their job to take care of their kids not the internet. If a parent wants their kids not to watch TV they will do so and then they don't care for anyone that isn't in their house. So me personally I don't like to force other parents to do things, or voice complaints because they're not letting them watch this type of this or that me I just say it's their choice their their kids, the reason your kids how they see fit and they should choose so and I don't like to butt my heads into that. Most of the time I even suggest most people shouldn't even do because it's their kids not theirs you know I'm talking about.

[@Lechgang]

This movie went through so much shit for no reason.

[@jesusofsuburbia3675]

I much rather have it be a hidden gem than going through so much drama. The show doesn't deserve this much arguing

[@simonessays]

I can’t tell if he’s saying “Luca and Bruno” as a joke or if he just forgot Alberto’s name

[@bagofmoss4710]

I wanted to kinda make a comment laughing about it but I felt like I’d get backlash like “that’s not what this is about you missed the whole point of the video!”

[@onyxtheowl24]

I am a gay teenager. And this argument makes NO SENSE because I am apart of the group they are “trying to protect”. I have a partner who was assigned the same gender at birth, though we both identify as non binary now, and we have NEVER had the dirty. We just do little pecks on the cheek and pet names. Because we are young. I’m 14 and their 13, we’re too young to do it. But seeing representation in media of people like me. Makes me so happy. People see me! They want to support me! Then scared conservative Christian families will tell people that this is “harming” and “s3xualizing children” when all its doing is telling queer youth “hey! You exist! Your not weird! Your okay! You deserve to exist and not want to....Unalive” while it’s telling heterosexual kids “Hey! Please don’t bully these people, their children just like you! This is normal, just as functional as straight romance, and you shouldn’t bully them unlike what your parents might shit out of their mouth hole”. So people trying to take away that representation, those rights. Calling it child mistreatment, it hurts.....Really. I feel powerless. And people are using me as a political tool. Because of course if people think that treating children terribly is bad. So they use us and say that it’s dangerous to transition, or to be accepting of your child, when the opposite is true, if you don’t support your child they will want to be their own demise, I’ve had so many dark thoughts because of my family, thinking it would be easier to not live. Conservatives doing this shit don’t really care about the children, they only care about keeping their precious status quo even if it hurts people.

[@jaclynlevy5644]

So well written. I wish you and your partner all the pecks on the cheek and frolicking through the forest and everything you deserve as a young couple figuring life out together.

[@barabimbaraboom7830]

sorry to hear, try table tennis instead..

[@independenthistory1621]

Who’s gonna tell them that heterosexual is also a sexuality?😂

[@barabimbaraboom7830]

i think we call that normal...

[@alvar4547]

@@barabimbaraboom7830 so edgy

[@musilovesbooks]

@@barabimbaraboom7830 heteronormwtivity be like:

[@scourgeface]

thats the point. theyre hypocrites

[@drunkenplatypus7299]

@@musilovesbooks ya how dare you say its normal you bigot

[@RoseyVamp]

Wait, so the ACTUAL gay friend who was vibing in the background the whole time and even was shown to have a thing with the goth girl was pushed aside so people could ship the two REALLY GOOD FRIENDS? One of which is the main character and is shown throughout the movie to only have interest in boys? Y’all I’m fine with shipping whoever but some ppl are blind af 😂😂😂

[@ZanathKariashi]

in fairness, 90% of shipping is crack-pairs anyway. 10% with some actual sense behind the reasoning are boring and obvious.

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

To be fair, they were supposed to be a lesbian couple but Disney decided that they wanted to be stupid

[@Valorian6167]

Everyone should have a character that they can identify with and if we stop censoring these characters and their relationships then maybe we can all understand one another better. Personally I would like to see more characters have romantic relationships that have nothing to do with sex because I believe that some people focus more on emptying their nuts than the person they're with

[@ExeErdna]

Personally I want to see them try to do something devoid of romance for once to see if they really got writing talent. Or they're using romance to fill time becuase that's what romance is used for the media to waste time. Too often it isn't taken as seriously and makes you feel like you're watching some soap opera.

[@julianmarco4185]

Where is the princess with alopecia or the ugly princess or the princess with the bad voice that can't sing?

[@firelordwaffle2987]

@@ExeErdna I don't think it is to waste time. But I do think a lot of writers seem to think that one is required, and will often slap two people that look at each other together for an ending.

[@ExeErdna]

@@firelordwaffle2987 It pads time for sure when you realize if you can cut out a romantic subplot and the show doesn't change. Or gets better because it wasn't there. "Here's two people and lets just shake some relationship drama on them"

[@StarryOak76]

Funnily enough for your icon, but as a kid and to this day I still adore Derpy Hooves because she was a character who was blonde and had strabismus just like me who the fans just universally adored, it made me feel loved.

[@CarlytheWolf23]

I love how much certain people who are against certain things say they are the ones who think logically when they definitely aren't and obviously can't since they just sum up certain things to be something else entirely. I hope more people start thinking truly logically rather than the way they are on whining about a harmless movie.

[@brandonwilliams6221]

The pot calling the kettle black.

[@CarlytheWolf23]

@@brandonwilliams6221 but I'm not whining about something harmless, the mindset that sexuality is equal to or means sexual intercorse can be harmful. That and not informing your children on things they may experience such as menstrual cycles can also be harmful. So no I'm not whining about something that's harmless as the people who hate the movie for these things are usually those who would keep things from their children such as the talk or preparing them for periods or just anything really, which usually ends with the child discovering it for themselves without anyone to help them understand it. I do understand why you called me hypocritical, but in this case it doesn't work. Assumptions only lead to making an ass out of you and me as the saying goes, some assume being gay means they are doing the do constantly or the act of it, when that is not the case, so that is why I don't think it is logical thinking to assume such things without proper education in the topic.

[@MynicknameisViolet]

Het sexual media is literally everywhere. In films, music, commercials..in family jokes about their toddler kids having kids and dating. And we are the weird ones? Honestly, hets need a reality check.

[@brandonwilliams6221]

And people complain about it ALL THE TIME! Stop acting like everyone who isn’t you is in some sort of hivemind.

[@AnotheraccountonYTlovesyouall]

@@brandonwilliams6221 a lot of people think it’s normal

[@DeletedUser_0000]

My mom is extremely mad at Disney and other companies for thinking about adding LGBTQ members in a movie because “Kids shouldn’t be exposed to literally exactly what you said. I should send them this video lol

[@breadcrumbhoarder]

“Because why say it when you can make money in China” is actually the Disney animation studios motto lmao

[@ryankramer8779]

OH MY GOD! You took the words right out of my mouth. I commented about how HB 1557 isn't an "anti grooming bill" and some idiot replied to me and said, "Bro I can tell that you didn't read the bill" where I responded with three parts of the bill that contradict his claim and proving to him that the "Parental Rights in Education Bill" is an anti LGBTQ+ piece of legislation and that "Don't Say Gay" is an earned nickname

[@sarahfishyfish1]

how does the bill specifically discriminate against gays? I thought it made it illegal to discuss any sexuality (including straight) without informing the parents you are doing so

[@ryankramer8779]

@@sarahfishyfish1 technically if these lawmakers and their supporters were consistent about it then yes it would. However, many people especially from red states like Florida tend to carry a double standard towards sexuality, mostly in favor of heterosexuality. Boy and girl have a crush on each other? Yeah, that's totally normal and there's nothing wrong with that. But two boys or two girls have a crush on each other? No no, that is inherently sexual and inappropriate because sexuality=sex (it doesn't) even though heterosexuality is still a sexuality. Going into specifics outside of the double standard, there are two other things to bring up: 1. This bill would require any staff who have knowledge of a kid's LGBTQ+ identity to report it to the parents. Even if the parental figure in question isn't very LGBT friendly which is VERY DANGEROUS and strips the child of their agency to come out whenever and wherever comfortable. 2. Clubs that are secretly pro LGBT spaces would have to relinquish that status and expose themselves to the parents, again not all of them being LGBT friendly. So in conclusion, on a technical level the answer is yes, discussing any sexuality would be illegal under the bill. But in the state of Florida and the world at large, straight people and couples are held to a different standard than LGBTQ+ people and couples so the law won't be equally applied to all sexualities which means that the law is in fact discriminatory to gay people and other LGBTQ+ people

[@sarahfishyfish1]

@@ryankramer8779 I think this is the fundamental political divide on the issue - Red States believe the parents own their children until they are adults, so the parents should not be withheld information. Whereas Blue States believe children belong to the community, so anyone should be able to contribute to how they are raised. But the framework for anything being secret and withheld from the parents has the potential for child grooming if abused. So it comes down to the people rather than the law. If only we could outlaw bad people, the world would be so much better

[@ryankramer8779]

@@sarahfishyfish1 1. Though I think there is a grain of truth to be found in your first point, I don't find your take on the divide to be 100% accurate. Yes, people on the right believe quite a bit about "parental rights" and practically being dictators to their kids. But on the left side of things, no, we don't think that ANYONE should be able to contribute to a child's upbringing. But we do believe that children should be taught certain things by professionals like teachers. Not all parents can be trusted with important topics like LGBTQ+ and even sex education which is why they are taught at schools. We have schools to teach kids what not all parents are capable of teaching or what not all of them desire to teach. 2. As for point number 2, there are cases where secrecy can lead to bad things like grooming, but they're too few to justify a crackdown that will make life all the more hell for LGBTQ+ kids. Not to mention that many proponents of the bill unironically believe that teaching kids that people other than heterosexual and cisgender people exist is grooming children. And as for the grooming part of this, I might recommend checking out what the Republican Party in Tennessee has been up to in recent weeks because it certainly shows that 1557 was not about grooming and that it was about LGBT discrimination after all. Again, in a vacuum the law wouldn't be bigoted at all. Authoritarian in spots, but not bigoted. However, this bill exists in an environment with a history of LGBTQ+ discrimination and was written and passed by anti LGBT lawmakers and officials with the purpose of shutting down discussions and making life hell for LGBT kids

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@ryankramer8779 Yeah, that sounds like it set a dangerous precedent.

[@euryf1ns309]

I assume that the people that think that sexuality = sex are also the people that are more exposed to mlm and wlw through the fetishisation troupes of such couples. So, they immediately jump to that conclusion because they aren't used to the concept that gay relationships do not only apply to sexual relations.

[@LowbrowDeluxe]

Anyone who had a problem with this movie over those issues needs to be kept away from children. We need to stop appeasing them, they're outright damaging their own children and/or trying to damage other peoples. And yeah, that's the same thing they say about everyone else. So what. It's not a both sides issue, it's not a slippery slope, they can be as sure as shit as possible in their 'faith' that the sky is green, they're just wrong and we need to stop trying to find common ground with their insanity.

[@faith4657]

If you're going to keep butting heads with these people it's not going to stop, they are going to keep coming back and they are going to keep fighting back. Whatever you say now won't change it I'm sorry that's just the truth. And I'm also an advocate for their children you may say that they're damaging your children but how they protect their kids is their own stuff, because they themselves are the ones they're gave birth to their children they want to fill their children with their worldviews as in their kids not the worlds. It's a parent's job to love and take care of their kids not the worlds and whatever is happening in their house is for them and to be solved in that house. You may see it as them damage in your kids they don't see it. And for other people's kids their choice how they want to raise their kids my choice how I want to raise my kids, your choice literally anybody's choice how they want to raise their kids no one is wrong when it comes to children most of the times, because they just want the best for their kids. You may want to stop this propaganda and this nonsense that's going around but if you try to force people into liking something or a worldview they're just going to hate it, you have to ease them in have patience. Otherwise they just never going to change, and if they don't want to change good whatever it's their choice you shouldn't try to force it on them as long as they're not hurting anybody.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Damn straight, we suffered through their crybaby nonsense all throughout 2020 with the pandemic, the elections and everything in between.

[@brandonwilliams6221]

They’re saying the same exact thing about you twat-waffle.

[@joyc.e.7511]

PREACH. I'm so sick of people denying scientific facts and being allowed to discriminate against other people on the basis of religion.

[@darkscarflame4822]

@@dalekrenegade2596 not gonna lie all that sort of stuff happened back in 2016 as well

[@u_just_summoned_a_menace]

As a Floridian and apart of the lgbtq Community I saw what’s been happening I just was like:wtf?

[@thesupernaturalhouse]

Same my guy

[@nerdylab8746]

I feel bad abt the situation, but at the same time, of course it was Florida (no offense to u tho👍)

[@u_just_summoned_a_menace]

@@nerdylab8746 No offense taken my state is like so crazy

[@matheussanthiago9685]

@@u_just_summoned_a_menace you live in the one state that feels to US what the US feels to the rest of the world stay strong pal

[@u_just_summoned_a_menace]

@@matheussanthiago9685 Yea it’s getting harder to stay strong but I can do it!

[@shao-ningwu9209]

"It's too much" I mean, come on, almost everything has been about romance from the beginning of human civilization and I as an aro/ace didn't complain. I absolutely hate the oversexualization of... well everything.

[@ExeErdna]

This, is how I feel and I understand I can be very dismissive when I see it. like "watch they're gonna do some cute people shit" or "Hmmpt that relationship isn't gonna last at all"

[@derpstudios7500]

The fact that so many people don't like gay people because they think gay relationships are purely lustful is disgusting, I know people who are both gay and asexual, do you know what that means? They like the same gender romantically but DON'T want sex. Being lbtq+ doesn't = pervert! Get over yourselves people! Just because you like your sex doesn't mean everyone does. 👀

[@tundraghost429]

Honestly can’t agree more with this video. Personally homophobia is just one of those things that’s just a waste of time and energy. Just like transphobia, racism, and whatever someone’s fear of different skin color called. I honestly don’t understand why anyone would have this fears and they should definitely go see either a therapist or a shrink to deal with it.

[@solsystem1342]

"Idk what a cisgender is but it definitely shouldn't bring a child into this world!" Lol

[@matheussanthiago9685]

@@solsystem1342 not to redditmoment, but r/accidentallyally

[@brandonwilliams6221]

People who say what you just said are often just as racist from my person experience as a black dude.

[@tundraghost429]

Huh I didn’t think about that

[@PK-Radio]

Bruh I thought turning red was about a kid turning into a red bear or something

[@lemonofcake]

it is

[@Flamefrosty]

Red panda

[@thegoodwitchluzura]

Mei's friends: Red panda!

[@valentinkambushev4968]

No, it's about getting your first p@#$%@.

[@alexf225]

Panda not bear

[@lynnboartsdye1943]

Another layer to turning red is this idea that children are these pure sacred angels untouched by the horrors of the real world, first of all untrue. kids are mean as hell and are still figuring out there’s more then the sense of self they learned as babies. Second teenage hood is a very awkward in between of adult and child because it’s the stage in our lives where we’re learning what it means to be an adult and the baggage that comes with it. It’s like there’s this expectation that we’re supposed to remain pure till we turn 20. Obviously there’s nuances and boundaries to talking about sex in relation to teens and tweens but generally having these discussions is a lot more help then harm.

[@stardust9871]

As a straight person I love this media Hell yeah sexuality does not = sex and queer people deserve to be represented AMEN

[@gameking8809]

they are already overrepresented and sexualuty is definitely related to sex

[@stardust9871]

@@gameking8809 Dude you are so wrong on all accounts that I don't think anyone is taking you seriously.

[@yourtrashtalkingbro9118]

@@gameking8809 Straight people are overrepresented too. What's your point?

[@seventeenseventythirteen7465]

@@gameking8809 Straight people have DOMINATED media for the longest time and still practically do. Shows with a main cast of almost entirely LGBT characters is rare and even those pale in comparison to shows involving no LGBT characters at all. Also straight is a sexuality, it's heterosexuality. So you're saying that all forms of media where a boy and girl are in love automatically means sex. Like they're just doing it the entire show because they're in love. Non stop, every time they're on screen it's just banging. And whenever another straight couple is on screen, BANG, more banging.

[@something3119]

The bee movie: exists Homophones: this is fine Gay: exists Home of phones: O: THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!1!!

[@nicholasrodinos4701]

Grandpa Phil gets sent back to the 4th grade and has 2 children as dates. Republicans: I sleep now. LGBT kids in a cartoon: Republicans: THE WOKE MOB IS AFTER OUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@josephstone4842]

“It’s the same cliches, different couples.” Stood out to me.

[@joonbee]

I absolutely lost it at “as long as you’re not a bottom, it’s cool” 💀

[@thegoodwitchluzura]

I mean, it's true. The Romans were completely okay with Caesar being bi, just not that he was a bottom.

[@KaminoKatie]

It's bottom oppression

[@lexkek5625]

50% of the population are bottoms

[@DeadMech1]

@@KaminoKatie Bottoms exist to be oppressed. They like it. :P

[@matheussanthiago9685]

​@@DeadMech1 hey, the line separating subs from bottoms can be thin, but it exists

[@vilmublues752]

To quote some Internet person, homophobic people sure seem to think about gay sex more than many gay people do.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Just ask Ted Haggart.

[@dirteapaw3832]

Parents: I will not allow my child to watch such sexualized nonsense *clutches pearls* Also parents: *Buys Son Call of Duty where he will proceed to learn every racial slur under the son from someone 3 years younger than him* A lot of us learned about sex from are friends...well friend, we all had that one friend where masturbating wasn't really a hobby it was more of a career choice. I grew up on a very religious island (yes I said Island) where romance, sexuality and sex wasn't discussed, they just expected us not to find out, when I first learned about masturbation my parents thought the house was haunted loud moans at night ectoplasm everywhere the occasional loose door handle furniture pilled up against doors (I was very cautious)

[@CombustableLemon]

It would have costed you NOTHING to not say this.

[@dirteapaw3832]

@@CombustableLemon I know but I'm charitable like that daaling

[@AnonimusQualquer]

Your description of being loud, not cleaning your mess nor returning furniture to their place is the opposite of being cautious to not get caught. Your parents were just dumb or incredibly naive

[@damkylan3]

I think I embodied the Joey meme as I read this comment. Just kinda smiling at the well-made point at the start, and then widening my eyes in horror as it continued. I like your style, though. I brought some cursed knowledge into a thread myself a second ago. "Some men just want to watch the world burn."

[@dirteapaw3832]

@@damkylan3 Ahaha, I tend to have the same charm as a fart in a crowded elevator so I'm glad you respected the bravery to pinch one off in a crowded elevator. Thanks bruthur

[@ThaMxUp]

why do people think showing gay characters would turn their kids gay? I grew up with a fuck ton of straight centric media and despite that I am gay as all hell.... I'd Imagine the inverse is probably true as well

[@creativerealms]

This topic shouldn't have to be necessary, and yet it is. Thanks.

[@9ightdreamer]

Sexual straight: I dont see anything wrong. Sexual non-straight: AAAAAAA, THE DEVI- Bruh its the same thing but just with different genders. Have some common sense entitled people. (I hope this comment isn't offensive, let me know if this was cause I felt uncomfortable commenting this-)

[@ussinussinongawd516]

What if it's an asexual couple hmmm

[@9ightdreamer]

@@ussinussinongawd516 That proves to entitled folks that sexualities arent always sexual.

[@ShadyGirl-ng6hg]

Hold on. Is that a Cuphead Show reference?

[@9ightdreamer]

@@ShadyGirl-ng6hg Yes lol

[@jesusofsuburbia3675]

No be as offensive as you can be These entitled people are dumb no debate there.

[@mharlon09.]

The double standard is interesting, people complaining about Luz and Amity but literally overlook that technically Aang was a 112 year old kid dating a 14 year old (I'm all about Kataang, though) but they're just hypocrites.

[@rosedrawsstuff]

Finally, someone mentions the huge age gap between Aang and Katara. 😂

[@mharlon09.]

@@rosedrawsstuff right, I just gotta say that even though Aang never grew mentally he was still that age, and let's say if the romantic interest would've been Sokka or Zuko instead, people would've been throwing hands. I still love Aang and Katara together.

[@xxx-ie9ic]

The thing is, those 100 years didn't count for Aang at all. He was frozen and didn't age in the least, physically or mentally. The fact that he's 112 years old is more of a technicality, as he was never able to age. This leaves a 2 year gap between him and Katara, but I still personally found the ship weird because of their different levels of maturity. Not saying that Katara was always mature, but she still seemed a lot more mature than Aang at times. The scene in the Ember Island Players where Aang gets upset and nods at the "I thought you were the Avatar's girl!" line and proceeds to try to kiss Katara without consent... was pretty yikes to me. I feel like they both should have had more character and relationship development for the ship to truly 'work' at the end. Just my very controversial two cents :P

[@rosedrawsstuff]

@@mharlon09. True. I, also, like the ship between Aang and Katara- I hardly ever ship unless it's canon or it makes sense, haha.

[@rosedrawsstuff]

@@xxx-ie9ic THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT, LOL

[@yumesoro2218]

Honestly, I have seen more people complain about the character designs, than anything lgbt in this movie. Maby the algorithms just love me so i dont get any big drama recommended to me. All in all i watched the movie, thought it was cute, and moved on.

[@Underworlddream]

I seem people complaining about the character design, which was made worse when some people on Twitter claim that the design and CalArt Bean Mouth was base off of Miyazaki art style. I was trolling people when they made that comment by photoshoping bean mouth into Graveyward if the Firefly scene. Nothing about lgb stuff, only that they made her a boy crazy perve that like to draw shirtless guy and the turning red being a analogy for puberty and her showing it off for money. This from someone that watch critical and hate review on this movie. So I don't know where they are hearing this.

[@hope-cat4894]

If you go down the rabbit hole of nonsense deep enough, you'll see people comparing the red panda to Satan. Stay on your side of the internet, it's safer from the madness. 😵

[@adeptdamage3669]

I do think the film looked like shit.

[@jackb.207]

It looks like grubhub(the food delivery service) ad, i actually seen more people complaining about people complaining about the gays in that movie than people complaining about the gays in that movie

[@Underworlddream]

@@jackb.207 it actually reminded me if the Harley Quinn seriers Snyder Cut scene , people were saying how the Snyder Cut fans were angry and people was using it as a excuse to bash the Snyder Cut fans. In reality the Snyder Cut fan where talking about it and saying how great that they were being acknowledged by the Warner Brothers and how it was helping spread the message about their movement. The Snyder Cut fans even made copy of the cartoon shirt so they can sell to raise money for charity, but the narrative people was spreading was completely different from the reality. Basically people already have a preconceived negative Idea about certain groups and people, so they are bashing or arguing against something they THINK the imaginary version of the group and people they don't like are saying.

[@breawycker]

Lumity though 🙏

[@FunFilmFare]

Pretty sure those parents complaining teach a very particular notion of LGBT+ folks to their kids. They want their kids to learn BS, not facts

[@08VL]

@@existingtoexist your lucky

[@NotAPostingCartoonist]

I’m Christian but I like different representations of cultures, sexualities, and religions. I may not generally share in the mentality of some of these people, but I like when they are given a chance to talk about it.

[@door.4975]

based

[@KaminoKatie]

I most certainly agree with you on that(I'm a Christian who is just so happen to be autistic)

[@NotAPostingCartoonist]

@@KaminoKatie dude, my brother is also autistic. That’s an amazing coincidence

[@justaguywithnoface6370]

this was the (I may not agree with ur opinion but I still respect it) comment I was looking for 👍you win a cookie🍪

[@MademoiselleRed1390]

Nothing says homphobic to me as fast as 1) parents worried something might turn their kids gay (as if that's how it worked lmao) and 2) starights suddenñy being unable to enjoy media only because of the possibility of queerness.

[@pexsimon5064]

I noticed you said repeated times Luca & Bruno, it’s actually Luca & Alberto, Bruno in the movie is the voice in Alberto’s head that tells him to stop doing dumb stuff.Loved you video btw :D

[@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600]

It’s really funny how conservative Christian fanatics were accusing the movie as demonic for showing Chinese folk religion to the audience, but then defend a group of them singing Christian music to a bunch of people in a flying airplane 30000 feet in the air

[@MegaChickenfish]

"just because I don't like X doesn't mean that shows _for me_ aren't being made" probably the best summary in the video. You get some of that same weird defensiveness with video games that have been around a while in the same vein as franchises, where people get an idea for how it "should be" and defend that. Don't stake your identity on media. They do what they want, you decide if you want to support it.

[@juniperyea1471]

A new show called 'Heartstooper' is being released on Netflix, I think you would find it quite interesting because it is based on a graphic novel that is a coming of age story. It is about 2 boys finding they are attracted to each other, and I believe it is already getting some backlash(And hate, but not much), but it is a really wholesome story.

[@topazmoss1393]

thank you so much for going over this, its awesome to hear people call out the stupidity of homophobes :}

[@jackb.207]

Right? Like think about it logically, straight men should love gay men cause they eliminate themselves from the competition for whamen, right, that's why straight men should hate lesbians but they love them for some reason, where is the logic? But seriously, gay men eliminate themselves from the competition and gay women wouldn't like you like that anyway so why being homophone?

[@lilrqlovesanime650]

Oh yeah This was a MESS to sit through when the movie didn’t even come out yet. People needs to pull their heads out of their asses

[@meatball.9710]

There are so many bigger problems in the world. Why is this the thing people hyper fixate on? Also lgbt+ stuff is hardly be forced on people. Name me 5 movies with aspec characters while I name you every movie with allo characters. We have only scratched the surface of representing lgbt+ people in film.

[@topazmoss1393]

hey guess what, *multiplue issues can exist in the world at once* shocking huh?!

[@dalekrenegade2596]

@@topazmoss1393 Yeah, but a bunch I f morons want to make LGBT Q an issue for no real reason besides maybe their feelings are somehow hurt.

[@threadyprawn8944]

Everytime I see or hear the homophobes randomly go straight to, "They're teaching sex" whenever there's just an innocent gay couple makes me so confused. Why are they so fixated on sexualizing things and why are they viewing literal children couple like that? Why the fuck are they thinking of kids like this and basically anyone in real life too, that's very concerning and makes me question more on their perspective.

[@audreylynn7585]

"speaking of horrific-" STRAIGHT INTO AN AD I GO

[@audreylynn7585]

and not your ad either, though that came after i skipped the first one

[@violetjade64]

i think “orientation” would be a better term to use instead of “sexuality” tbh

[@violetjade64]

since queerness isn’t limited to just sexual orientation (romantic attraction does not equal sexual attraction; young kids liking other young kids is romantic attraction), plus the roots of the word sexuality do actually refer to a sexual concept… i know orientation and sexuality are basically synonyms in this context but using the word orientation instead would lessen confusion

[@mabelsan1133]

Yeah if I ever have kids I'll probably use "orientation" so that I don't have to dodge questions on "what's sex" 😂

[@punkypony5165]

I can always have faith in Sarcastic Chorus to have good takes.

[@SarcasticChorus]

You clearly don't follow me on Twitter.

[@daniapfel9673]

@@SarcasticChorus Glad you're a supporter of the LGBT

[@Kanekonagase]

To right-wingers, it's only sexual if it's not a hetero couple. If it's a boy and a girl liking each other, it's ♡~romance~♡

[@basicsimp8798]

Seriously, I think it's just a way for Conservatives to paint The LGBT representation in a bad light. No one complaints about heterosexual couples in kids movie or series as sexual but when it's about Anything not straight, it has to be sexual and explicit.

[@gameking8809]

" I think it's just a way for Conservatives to paint The LGBT representation in a bad light. " They do that themselves by targeting children

[@JewelWildmoon]

5:36 *My lungs* 😂 Also apparently an argument I've been seeing is the fact that Sexuality has "Sex"/"Sexual" in the name and therefore that makes any representation of it purely sexual. But that's the dumbest thing considering "Sex" literally just refers to your gender. The actual term they're referring to is "Sexual Intercourse" but we just say "Sex" because it's shorter. Homophobes will go to any extent to make the community look horrible and it's sad.

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

I hate "it's not for me, it must be bad" That logic is just frustrating to even process in my head

[@brandonwilliams6221]

I’m willing to bet you use that logic constantly. It’s innate to the majority of people. You just don’t like it in THIS situation.

[@zuzannamalik9897]

Adults when their child is in a nursery school: "oooh honey, do you have a boyfriend?" Also these adults: "oH nO!!!1! This 13yo child is discovering it's sexuality?!?1!!1!1 Disgusting!!!! Gays?!?1?1"

[@zuzannamalik9897]

And by "sexuality" I mean also "the person they're holding hands with" jsjjdhd

[@honeybun8823]

Thank you for making this video, it helped me to explain to a bunch of homophobic people why they need to stop throwing a hissy fit about POC and LGBTQ representation

[@rachumsmcone9184]

I really love the point made about the hand holding. It's always good to see some just genuine affections in all shows. If someone needs a hug, their hand held, or a shoulder to cry on, shouldn't be sexualized especially since not everyone has the luxury of living in the mythical nuclear family.

[@brandonwilliams6221]

It’s people like you that make the nuclear family such a “myth.” Everything you just said only applies to females exclusively. If a guy does it, he’s shamed by both genders.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Words cannot describe how much I agree with this video. Not since the Silent Night Deadly Night Controversy (It's a guy dressed as Santa, not the actual Santa!) have I seen a movie controversy this stupid.

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

“Being gay is sexual” Wait- is this my mom? I wanted to hear this because it doesn’t make me feel ‘crazy’ like my homophobic parents tell me

[@jacquelinewright868]

Why do conservative people hiper fixate on the gay sex???🤔 Kind of sus ain't it🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@theasinclaire52]

I find it ironic that Disney is putting "representation" in its movies but allegedly gave money to support a "Don't Say Gay" law in Florida.

[@mattwolf7698]

True, they've since come out against it though. ...After it passed. And now these weird conservatives think Disney is supporting child sexual abuse and also aren't happy that Disney said they will put more LGBT characters in movies.

[@bigleo7724]

Parental rights and education bill get the name right

[@dalekrenegade2596]

@@bigleo7724 Regardless the result is the same.

[@gayratkidfromiowasomehow5584]

I had my brother ask me "why can't you make normal straight characters?" when I told him about my story that has a straight character in a wheelchair. Hmm? Maybe because I'm a gay, genderqueer person who can barely relate to straight characters unless they've gonna through a similar experience to me (also because me and my friend like wheelchairs and want to make it as fast as a car because that's funny to us.)

[@Multi-FandomMadness]

Woah that is some serious ableism coming from your brother

[@gayratkidfromiowasomehow5584]

@@Multi-FandomMadness Coming back to this after almost a year of figuring myself and my brother, I'm realizing that "yea. My brother is somewhat of a piece of shit." I especially figured it out after I came out as trans/ nonbinary/ agender. So yea, I can now add some ableism to the list.

[@lymenaid]

It speaks volumes when they say “stop shoving the representation in our faces” and they’re talking about the fucking morsel of unstated, ambiguous gay people holding hands in show finales.

[@Applemangh]

The example I always fall back to is Hey Arnold, because it's a show I grew up with. Helga is allowed to crush on Arnold to an absurd degree and eventually they even share a kiss, and it's all "cute" or "funny". But then Luz and Amity hold hands and apparently that's equivalent to to graphic sex on screen. When homophobes say "I'm just against ALL portrayals of sexuality in children's media," it's an absolute lie. Maybe the person saying it doesn't even realize that they're lying to themselves.

[@paniccleo]

In Turning Red they can have the child characters have obvious crushes and romantic feelings of giddiness about the members of the boy band and the boy that works at the convenience store because it's hetero, but you apparently you can't have that same thing or even less between same sex attracted people in Disney because suddenly it's weird and perverted.