The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - Mankar Camoran's Paradise speech

Great voice-acting by Terence Stamp.

[@Z3r0K1ll4h]

His voice is so epic.

[@billygraham9267]

It's even better in French. I love Tamriel AE DAEDROTH

[@irieite9666]

If the molehill.... wont come to Terrence..... Then Terrence WILL COME TO THE MOLEHILL!!!!

[@160rpm]

I love how he says Stonn-darr

[@Falkriim]

Yep, Terrence Stamp. Same VA as the Prophet of Truth in Halo 3.

[@SergenteHartman2356]

“I promise I wont get spiritual” Me after one sip of Sujamma

[@spaceonisorceress4406]

And still you do not mention the Sixth House, the Tribe Unmourned? :(

[@Falkriim]

TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH!

[@Neelmay13]

It is revealed in his commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes that he may actually be able to use the Thu'um as he described that he could speak in a new language and after three days he could speak fire. This, coupled with the fact that he can wear the Amulet of Kings, may imply that he is Dragonborn or he's making things up who knows.

[@vladorsomething8147]

He is Dragonborn but not in the way you think. He used Mehrunes Razor to turn himself into a Dragonborn.

[@marzbigman]

@@vladorsomething8147 How? I am genuinely curious.

[@SeptimArchive]

@@marzbigman by cutting his soul using the Mehrunes Razor. You can ream more about this in both UESP and Imperial Library, just search about Mehrunes Razor or Mankar Camoran.

[@marzbigman]

@@SeptimArchive Yeah, I already searched that months ago. I have to appreciate the reply though. Thank you. :)

[@SeptimArchive]

marzbigman you are welcome.

[@jakedge3]

the tragedy of mankar cameron is that he told this entire speech to a guy who neither could comprehend what he was saying or cared. he just wanted to smash stuff and then cameron's face.

[@ineedapharmists]

I like it when he says " You think I mock you? Not at all."

[@FallenEpic]

Mankar Camoran is doing a neat lil' ideological and theological slight of hand here. The basis of his argument is that Daedra are gods because they cannot die (true, they cannot) while the Divines or Aedra or not because they can die (also true, they can). The reason for this is that the Divines partook in the act of creation for Tameriel itself. In order to make a world in which life can die, and thus change is possible, the creators need to be capable of death likewise. The myth that he references that is in every religion and culture of Tameriel is Lorkhan tricking the other gods into creating the world because either they did not understand the cost of making a mortal world or they did not understand how much they could have to give up of themselves to make it. Once they realized what he had done to them they tore him apart and cast his heart into what would become Morrowind. Regardless, the Divines are "everywhere" that isn't Oblivion, they are the creation and act and speak through it. This is also why, despite being mortal, that when they come out in full force against a Deadric Lord they curb stomp them. Dagon tried to fight Tameriel itself when he fought Akatosh, you cannot destroy the very thing you are trying to conquer.

[@matayanacona]

you forgot a necessary pause before: "he is daedroth!, TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH!"... an epic moment of the game

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

It's ironic because it is typically only the Elves that vilify Lorkhan. Most humans know Lorkhan as the god of humanity, Shor or Shezarr.

[@williamt.sherman9841]

Imperials also don't really recognize Lorkhan. Nor the Brentons- only the Nords worship him. Remember the Imperial pantheon is based on the Elven Pantheon. Tiber Septim however may have been empowered by Lorkhan.

[@hughmann7262]

@@williamt.sherman9841 I'm pretty sure tiber septim is lorkhan.

[@grimkaizer8417]

@@williamt.sherman9841 Two years later, but St. Alessia took half of the Elven pantheon and half of the Nord pantheon as a compromise after allying with both during the slave revolt.

[@shupliance]

@@hughmann7262 more likely that he was a shezarrine, not literally lorkhan

[@defeatstatistics7413]

@@williamt.sherman9841 Bretons revere Sheor, and Reachmen of eastern High Rock revere Lorkh. Briarheart rituals are even echoes of Convention.

[@neonrelmsproductions4224]

This guy probably has the second best buildup of any villain in Elder scrolls, and then he's killed in like 2 seconds.

[@theperfectstranger3961]

I find it so funny than Mankar Camoran got the names of the different planes of oblivion wrong. Coldharbour is the plane of Molag Bal, and Quagmire is Vaermina's.

[@dwakefield1486]

Haha, I know right. Otherwise that speech was epic.

[@TheNN]

For the case or Lorkhan it actually is not that far-fetched to consider him a Daedra considering that Lorkhan and the Daedra came from Padomay and/or Sithis.

[@sertan138]

@Ben Hodson Can you give sources? I want tı look into it.

[@hawkeyenextgen7117]

Aleksa Petrovic the ten moon shadows of Mephala?! Bitch please!

[@Sputin]

@Ben van de Graaff I thought it was Alduin that banished the Leaper Demon which ultimately led to the creation of Dagon.

[@jazzx251]

I love Sean Bean's performance in this game as well.

[@irishcream9004]

This is not him

[@tk7977]

@@irishcream9004 That’s why he said “as well”

[@randomdude4816]

"Farewell, you've been a good friend in the short time that I've known you. But now I must go, The Dragon waits."

[@knightr0685]

@@randomdude4816 what

[@Alpha1200]

The first time I heard this speech I didn't realize how fucking earth-shattering it would be if it were true. Or well, if it is true. We don't really know for sure.

[@jollyproductions8314]

The beauty of it is that the only reason it’s not true is because of the belief that it’s not. Mankar wanted to reshape the world for no other reason than that he could, Dagon was more of a means to an end. (If you listen to him and read through the commentaries)

[@vibes5805]

Well... it's weird. So many realms in the Aurbis are principalities, with its laws of reality dictated by the patron of it. Like how Sovngarde is the Aedric realm of Shor, or all of the Daedric principalities. Mundus was very much a group project - Lorkhan was the designer, Magnus the architect, the Aedra the building blocks. We can't just define Mundus as Lorkhan's principality, as he isn't the only one who made it. If anything, Lyg is the Daedric realm of Lorkhan, not Mundus

[@Bergen98]

I mean, was it true? Dagon was easily defeated by Dragon-Akatosh, really glad this guy didn't see his daddy getting served

[@springheeljak145]

It is true

[@TheIGITnBLUE]

Bask in the glory of Terence Stamp's voice acting!

[@AjourChannel]

"You came for the Amulet.TAKE IT THEN!" * stands up casually and the player waits patiently *

[@TheStrongVirus]

Just finished Morrowind, again. Realised that Mankar Cameron is basically the Dagoth Ur of this game. A character sounding so above you, yet, so lost.

[@daroth7127]

Idk, that speech makes alot of sense with regard to Lorkhan's plane of oblivion being Dawns beauty (Tamirel) the more you research it the more his speech makes sense, its fascinating.

[@TheStrongVirus]

@@daroth7127 I think it makes sense. But we (the player) know that there's deception and clouding of judgement afoot. It would be cool to have the choice to join the Mythic Dawn as an alternate ending, have the Oblivion Portals still open in endgame, Mehrunus Dagons invasion still fails due to a sacrifice by Jauffre who destroys himself and the amulet to stop the deadra, after you've killed Martin Septim. In that ending all the high powers are mostly dead or in paradise and people tolerate the fact you are the only person alive that knows what happened after the aftermath. But are unsure about your involvement or allegiances, because no one knows. Deadra still attack you, Blades might attack you, Mythic Dawn remainers won't... Continue game as if you didn't "close shut the jaws of oblivion" but also didn't leave them wide open.

[@MikeTooleK9S]

as a boy i did not appreciate such forbidden knowledge. thanks todd.

[@TheApartmentScrapper]

Terence Stamp was the antagonist in the two greatest video games of the mid 2000s. Dude is a legend.

[@Falkriim]

Love how both of those roles were highly religious nutjobs too.

[@hamizanyunos1502]

Wasn't he also General Zod in 1980 Superman 2?

[@jackhallander6706]

Mankar is clearly an r/teslore user.

[@raziel6304]

To be honest, Mankar did won his battle against the septims. He destroyed the Septim Dinasty after all...

[@hildaenjoyer8862]

@Arbiter Of Truth He got his ass kicked and failed to merge reality into Oblivion. He likely chalks it up as a failure.

[@theace8502]

@@hildaenjoyer8862 but why? He still caused chaos and change. It's 100% a win in his book, albeit not exactly what he wanted but he still achieved his sphere

[@jamesedleymusic]

I’m relieved that they gave him a unique voice actor and it wasn’t just Craig Sechler… again.

[@filescout266]

Craig Sechler would have done a tremendous good job if they only have him the bosmer voice roles. .. the game would have sounded a lot more different..

[@whatscupdog9743]

Man wouldn’t it be hilarious to fight him after finishing the shivering isles, now he is to fight one of the Daedric princes.

[@Piegoose]

Wow I did that and I didn't even realize this lool

[@Sellipsis]

Really bothered me that they reserved all those unique tree models for Mankar's Paradise rather than having them in Cyrodiil to bring a little more diversity to the tree life.At least Unique Landscapes fixes that. Also, how many other people just marched right up to him and attacked? Kinda felt they should've frozen your character in place for his final words.

[@knightr0685]

Fr

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

Gotta be that guy but... I like that Paradise has the unique tree models. It gives it an otherworldly feel from the rest of the game. It's beautiful, yet eerie. Like a Daedric version of Heaven.

[@TheNN]

3:40 Best line of his whole speech.

[@Johny40Se7en]

Good old Terrence Stamp with his incredible voice acting, bringing Mankar Camoran to life =)

[@JC_Denton_]

4:22 I couldn't help but grin at the generic battle grunts

[@KanonHara]

Have you heard of the high elves?

[@RyanKaufman]

Mankar had two followers. Alduin had none. You had no allies, maybe one if you played it right. You had four against Alduin. Mankar was a mad man driven to insane worship to a god he had no way of understanding, but tried hard to do so. His shattered mind was his strength and ultimately brought him to his death. Alduin was generic "Ultimate evil" thing. I like Skyrim and all. I love the upgrade to combat, graphics, animations, and it has a great atmosphere. But Mankar was a hard act to follow.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

Alduin was the darkside of Akatosh.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Alduin had a shit ton of followers. You just didn't fight them in the same time as his. And I'd argue that the nuanced villain of Skyrim is not Mankar Camoran, but Ulfric Stormcloak. Both fought to right the world in their own way, were strongly devoted to their gods, used anything and everything to win, and in the end, both are rather easy boss fights.

[@filescout266]

@@HolyknightVader999 I don't think Ulfric is the villain (even if I don't side with his ideals), but the thalmor instead, since he will possibly achieve his goal if you take in consideration the empire have things way worst to worry than losing a kind of shit territory to the local rednecks. Especially because there is no more septims to do chosen one stuff in the charge of the empire.

[@matiasvonbischhoffshausen1307]

Mankar Camoran's fight in Paradise was the best I had in Oblivion

[@theace8502]

Old comment, I know, but Dagoth Ur was better than both

[@zroutube]

He is wrong on the lore on multiple occasions, but the delivery is still awesome, and I love that someone thought as I did and made a video!

[@apothe6]

HE IS DAEDROTH TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH

[@Francoberry]

such good voice acting in this game

[@Mrjimmybuckets24]

“Tamriel...the realm of change.”

[@juanma8030]

Great voice indeed

[@haloromance14]

A game that got Sir Patrick and Mr Stamp. How could we not fall under their sway.

[@justaweepingangel.]

I was waiting for him to say "Kneel before Zod."

[@settenovetre]

There is something I wonder, besides why he got the names of the Daedric realms wrong: if Tamriel, Dawn's Beauty, belongs to Lorkhan, then why is Dagon's invasion of it justified, why is Tamriel Dagon's birthright rather than Lorkhan's?

[@Hagashager]

Because Lorkhan is dead, Cameron thinks Lorkhan is a Deadra and Mehrunes, being a Deadra, is entitled to take back Deadric lands. Bear in mind Cameron's realm is a farce. This is all a lie propped up by Mehrune's Dagon to convince his lacky that he's the good guy. Mehrune's Dagon would've utterly destroyed and razed Tamriel had he won the Oblivion crisis.

[@vibes5805]

The answer is simple: Lyg. Lyg, one of the previous attempts at Mundus, was created solely by Lorkhan. Mehrunes Dagon was created in the fires of Lyg. Therefore, it is not a huge leap of logic to call Dagon a child of Lorkhan, hence "birthright."

[@francoisdecharette9844]

@@HagashagerSorry for my ignorance how can he be “dead” if he is a daedra

[@Hagashager]

@francoisdecharette9844 Lorkhan is not a Deadra, he is technically an Aedra, a very dead one. The Aedra are the ones who sacrificed portions of their being to make Mundus. Lorkhan was sacrificed by the other Aedric gods after he tricked them into sacrificing part of their being to make reality. Lorkhan was split in half. His lower half became the ground, the upper half became the sky.

[@legioonalainen]

such a good speech yet easy and quick fight

[@yiany]

Nice job you did with the Phantom Zone, General.

[@theysaidmeme]

Very true, they could have made the final battle with Alduin much better by having it be only you battling him, the other three Nords that you had learned Dragonrend from are more of a hindrance than anything else, always in the way of your attacks. Plus having to wait about 15-20 seconds between every time you and the other three Nords use Clear Skies 3 or so times to clear the mist before the battle itself starts makes it even worse. I liked the battle atop The Throat of the World better.

[@filescout266]

Skyrim Quests have this annoying frame that always make you feel like a disposable tool doing things that other people could be doing for you.

[@garmagictes5399]

4:49 Mankar Camoran: *makes the speech he's been preparing for hours * Hero of Kvatch: *ignores him and walks around the room to level up athletics *

[@springheeljak145]

Mankar was right, Tamriel is Lorkhan's plane. The Aedra fought him and stole his realm. The whole world is a crime scene. His body is broken in two, up in the sky as the moons. His heart was cut out and fell in Morrowind, his blood spilled in Cyrodiil. TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH

[@Ro-nu7vv]

Not really they all created Tamriel, but yeah they were tricked by Lorkhan which was his main goal

[@Falkriim]

I actually felt bad destroying Paradise, always wanted to join MC’s Mythic Dawn.

[@danko6712]

why😂

[@Falkriim]

@@danko6712 I don’t know, I liked the place haha, I thought it was a genuinely nice looking realm. As for joining the Mythic Dawn I just think its a cool cult.

[@legogoldenglider6684]

Friendly reminder that Camoran is voiced by Zod from Superman II

[@theysaidmeme]

He most likely had enchantments on the apparel he was wearing that gave him 100% Chameleon.

[@assassino1480]

It is so satisfying hearing Stamp pronouncing Lorkhan as 'lore-CON' instead of 'lore-CAN' or 'LORE-kin'.

[@CyBerCat6410]

Music is godly 😢

[@dovahkiinskywalker3607]

Kneel deluded kryptonian, kneel before Stondarr

[@JamesCarmichael]

A great villain could be right. A great hero proves him wrong.

[@joshuagraham3196]

Honestly I believe that Mankar Cameron was a more interesting villain than Dagoth Ur

[@gothicseawitch8772]

Dagorh ur was charming in his own right

[@MrSoup-zs4rd]

Wait Coldharbor is Molag Bal's plane not Meridia

[@MrSoup-zs4rd]

***** just rewatched it and holy shit Mankar needs to pick up a goddamn book or something because hes not even matching up the daedric princes to their realms properly. Also, that Daedric hes 'speaking' is pretty basic and he says he understands a lot?

[@vladorsomething8147]

"He was nuts" You think it's that simple? Heh. The dialogue was written by Michael Kirkbride himself. He knows what the hell he's talking about. He wrote most of the Morrowind lore and the Knights Of The Nine DLC for Oblivon. He is also behind the "Thalmor" and the Thrid Aldmeri Dominion + the Great War from Skyrim. Just think about all the metaphysics from Morrowind that HE has written. Also C0DA. You think Mankar's dialogue is just the words of some "nuts altmer"? No. His beliefs might be wrong, but there is a deeper meaning behind them. Never forget that whatever Michael Kirkbride (MK) writes ALWAYS has a way deeper and metaphysical meaning. Always.

[@jollyproductions1105]

Chances are, Mankar has a skewed sight of how Oblivion is divided up, considering he believes Dagon to be the greatest of the princes and that Dagon was betrayed in The Dawn. Which judging by his writings in the Mythic Dawn Commentaries, he was on his way to CHIM but he looked at the Aurbis from a strangely daedric perspective instead of seeing the whole picture. Limiting himself to a daedric perspective of Nirn, Mundus and Oblivion. Instead of seeing the Aurbis as it stands from the height of The Tower.

[@goodnewseveryone5382]

thinking about meridia sitting in coldharbour. she'd kill herself.

[@PrayingSeraph]

Gurubashi Arena Master MK's post Bethesda work is non canon

[@PanfishingJournal]

Kneel before Mankar

[@Terrakinetic]

I wish he would react when I appear with Sheogorath's Regalia and Staff.

[@rafasc94]

at 1:19 he names some princes and their realms but coldharbour is molag bal realm

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

1:17 ya you got like all those realms wrong. I think this guy is just nuts and is rambling.

[@Jeridiculous]

The Coldharbour of Meridia? wat

[@rodrigoagustin7625]

He is deceived. Or perhaps, Coldharbour if the defiled corpse of Meridia used now as the realm of Molag Bal, the god of rape.

[@JRLeeman]

He got the realms with the wrong princes...

[@KingSpartacus]

I really love this speech! The plot and stories in Oblivion are amazing. Skyrim is a meh. Bethesda sacraficed amazing stories for amazing graphics.

[@Torgomasta]

Aeden Harmstrong Someone else gets it! Skyrim hasn’t a soul.

[@defeatstatistics7413]

Disagree. Everything in Skyrim is a myth echo. Trapping a dragon in Dragonsreach, like Olaf One-Eye. Leading an assault down a sheer cliff under a lake, like General Talos at Sancre Tor (Stormcloak fort assault in Falkreath). The Greybeards even call you Ysmir. Everything in Skyrim is an echo of a myth that came before it. Even Mercer leaving you for dead while Karliah flees is an echo of Gallus' fate.

[@Ro-nu7vv]

​@@defeatstatistics7413i think skyrim is a build up to elder scrolls 6

[@Gabagool101]

Just donned on me Mankar is the British actor from yes man

[@scarletdragoon3190]

"it is tamriel, the realm of change, brother to madness, sister of deceit." is there any lore or theories about the connection between Lorkhan, boethiah and sheogorath?

[@mmyr8ado.360]

Lorkhan used deciet or hiding the truth to make Munudus a reality. When Lorkhan was found out, the other Aedra killed him, removed his divine spark and from that act came a 'Sithis-shaped hole' which is madness in of itself.

[@brandonbugbee5309]

I really hope Mankar is in The Elder Scrolls VI. like he makes a comeback or something

[@ghofspa1]

You forgot to mention Harkon and Miraak. In any case, the reason why both Oblivion and Morrowind fans bash Skyrim endlessly is that as the newest game it receives most attention.

[@rtohiu9632]

ghofspa1 it truly has the best gameplay which makes it more popular and more enjoyable imo. oblivion and morrowind , arena and daggerfall have the better stories.

[@ben3129]

Did bungie play oblivion then say we need terrace stamp for halo 3?

[@volosblur8430]

the logic is very convoluted

[@ilm7bs828]

عمي مانكار

[@HamanKarn567]

I could not agree with you more!

[@MEGAyognauts]

TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH!

[@bus1nessmajor]

Alduin, the king of the Dragons, wasn't a good enough villain for you?

[@matiasvonbischhoffshausen1307]

Mankar Camoran's cult managed to kill the Septim bloodline, leaving the Empire without a ruler, the Dragonfires in darkness, and the barrier between Mundus and Oblivion broken. By the time the player finds the Emperor's last son, one city has already been destroyed by Dagon's forces, and then the amulet needed to relight the Dragonfires is stolen. Camoran had everything planned before doing a move. Thanks to the Mythic Dawn's spies, he had discovered the Emperor's escape passage, the location of his three heirs, and find out where the Amulet of Kings was taken. If it wasn't for the Hero of Kvatch, Tamriel would have been destroyed completely. Alduin's plan consisted mainly of returning dragons to life and letting them take care of conquering the land while he absorbed souls in Sovngarde and other places he might have attacked, like Helgen.

[@turgutmetealtuntas834]

1:18 i thought cold harbour was Molag Bal's realm?

[@theace8502]

Was a script error on the part of Michael Kirkbride. Ofc, in universe you could simply say dagon just deceived him so

[@Torgomasta]

I find it strange nobody is willing to entertain the thought that Mankar is right about whose realm Coldharbor really is. If tamriel’s real name is Lorkhan, why isn’t it a possibility that the people of Tamriel got something else wrong?

[@willl676]

Because Bal himself tells us. What would he gain from lying? A kick off of fooling someone? He's been telling us for ages, the prank would've gotten stale by now.

[@williamt.sherman9841]

Tamriel's real name is not Lorkhan is the name of the missing God of Tamriel who heart was ripped out and is a critical plot devise in many of the Elderscroll's games. Lorkan is known the the Nords as "Shor" and is the god of the underworld and a patron of the dead and Lord of Soveinguard.

[@vibes5805]

We visit both Meridia's realm and Molag Bal's realm so... pretty hard to fake that lol

[@talosseptim592]

You cannot stop lord Dagon well I think the dragon god of time has something to say about that

[@TheStatisfiedOne]

Talos Septim dagon still managed to succeed in What hè is know for.. and that is change. Because of the Oblivion crisis everything changed in tamriel

[@shango6621]

@@TheStatisfiedOne facts lol

[@RyanKaufman]

You bring up two DLCs. I could also bring up Oblivion DLC, but I didn't. You're not wrong, you're just not right either.

[@Dismantled95]

Atleast there was Alduin

[@abandonedchannel9970]

TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH

[@thesmiler1579]

1:20 quagmire

[@Ro-nu7vv]

Gigiti

[@luckyabdurrahman1085]

3:30

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

What does he mean about Tamriel being Dagon’s? He was born in Lyg not Tamriel.

[@viscera_atrocity]

Tamriel is a reflection of Lyg, and a successor to, following a previous kalpa. One could argue, then, that they're similar enough that Dagon has the same right to destroy all Towers and 'liberate' Nirn from Creation again, as he did with Lyg.

[@Ro-nu7vv]

​@@viscera_atrocityDagon destroyed 2 towers or 1 depending on what happened to the amulet of kings

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

@@Ro-nu7vvhis Daedra did destroy the Crystal Tower and with the amulet destroyed the White Tower is deactivated.

[@samalvey8168]

I honestly just wanted him to shut up. A deluded egomaniac who nearly destroyed Tamriel and led to the Empire's near-ruin, good riddance to him.

[@tylertheultimatebadass87]

His reasoning is infallible, yet he clearly is looking for a fight What a fool

[@tylertheultimatebadass87]

No seriously, I would join him if he gave me the chance

[@bigcazza5260]

coldharbour of meridia? is that a reference to meridias role in eso or a mistake that then became meridias role in eso. coz serana says coldharbour = molag bal's realm. and he raped her, so thats a pretty reliable account tbh

[@Cinguangomatic]

A great antagonist. But not the best, since Dagoth Ur exists

[@theace8502]

Kneel before Mankar

[@Cynidecia]

Nah.