There is Only ONE God - The Godhead, CHIM and Amaranth - Elder Scrolls Lore

[@pizzas4breakfast]

The dwemer realized they were in the matrix and logged out

[@chimp2100]

Dwemer last online 1E 668

[@AngraMainiiu]

More like they bricked themselves on the Numidium!

[@ff7omega]

They alt-f4'd

[@the_dropbear4392]

No the numidium just deleted their account

[@JessesanMan]

Or perhaps they began to zero-sum, but then they bonded to the Numidium, and now the near-entirety of Dwemerkind are stuck in a perpetual logic loop where there is only one question being forever asked that they will not let themselves answer. "Am I?"

[@tyjordan4101]

Imagine you're lying down on your couch taking a nap. You're having a long and vivid dream about a vast universe filled with strange creatures. You've dreamed the entirety of countless generations and aweinspiring events, yet you have no control over what actually happens within the dream. Then suddenly a seemingly insignificant character within your dream looks directly at you and says "I know this is all your dream. I know I am not real. Now I am as real as you." I don't know about you, but that would put a quick end to my dream.

[@tyjordan4101]

Tonal architecture makes perfect sense now. When you speak a Thu'um, summon a sword by song, or play the various Dwemer "instruments", you are directly influencing the god-head's subconscious, thus altering the dream. Meddling with tonal architecture and achieving Chim could greatly disturb the dreamer, turning his dream into nightmare, or even worse, wake him up.

[@ericcloud1023]

This comment is exactly how I imagine CHIM going down with Vivec

[@tyjordan4101]

It makes me wonder why Vivec disappeared. Did he get off his ego trip and zero sum? Did he intentionally leave because he knew his presence put the dream at risk? Or did he simply get bored and abandon the dream to go start his own?

[@kaimagnus5760]

Vivec went to have his own dream about a prosperous technology driven world that had been unceremoniously regressed back into a primitive state by war. Aka Fallout. That dream has now turned into a nightmare as the massive use of mods and console commands has turned his dream into Fallout 76 and now he's rolling around mumbling "No, make it stop!" as he desperately tries to wake up. But he sadly can't go back to the dream he was once a part of so he's stuck with it.

[@mercybellafiore3677]

Vivec never Zero-summed, or at least not as we would think of it. The loveletter from the fifth era recalls Vivec's teachings and mentions that "twice Vehk" appeared from the Void after countless years. My best inference is that Vivec chose to leave the mortal world after Dagoth Ur died and met up with the old version of himself from the previous dream, reappearing to the mortals before the Landfall and intentionally causing a Dragon Break due to both Vivecs arriving at the same time. This would allow the loveletter to reach the Fourth Era and inform the mortals back then about how to avoid Landfall. If you don't know what I mean by all this, read through Kirkbride lore. I probably sound insane if you aren't knee deep in this already, lol

[@EliteDragon528]

God head *wakes up* "hey you. got caught in that imperial ambush? Same as us?"

[@hamburgerdan101]

bruh

[@irisinthedarkworld]

This made me choke

[@EliteDragon528]

Iris VP lmao my B fam I couldn't help myself

[@yuber6205]

endless loop lol

[@robertdicke7249]

briliant

[@WomanSlayer69420]

The Dragonborn discovered CHIM... when the player raged so much on legendary difficulty that he accidentally hit the "~" key while smashing his keyboard.

[@Noisetank007]

All of the protagonists possess chim simply because they never truly will die due to the power of save/load

[@BigPanda096]

@@Noisetank007 Dark souls would like a word with ye

[@Noisetank007]

@@BigPanda096 about what? dark souls thematic death mechanic? lol

[@Snoogen11]

@@Noisetank007 I do love the idea that all of your "deaths" are real, and when you reload the save, you are jumping into an alternate universe where you can try again.

[@andreyandrov7810]

@@Snoogen11 That's what fascinates me so much about the concept of Chim, save / loads are pretty much momentary experiences of Chim, where you gain foresight, or jump back so you can solve the battle, puzzle, decision.

[@aondasuave2914]

In some reality, an orc called Roe Jogan is talking about it while smoking vaporized skooma

[@DragonWinter36]

c0da makes it canon

[@darkmatterpancake]

"You ever tried skeever meat?"

[@TheChrondosia]

This comment made me lol.

[@BinkleXVI]

"Jamius, summon that up"

[@roachdoggxv8920]

Talking about it with a breton named Eloneg Mmusck who started to send skeevers in steel cans to mundus using levitation magic

[@jondesoo8055]

"I know this: if life is an illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me."

[@Phiro00]

good way to think, nice

[@shanewilliamson5905]

You have just made it to Kim. Welcome to the enlightened. Next stop, Amaranth.

[@gabrielm.942]

Shane Williamson hold up, there’s one thing in saying it, and understanding it.

[@headgames3115]

cogito ergo sum

[@drogosbaggins9800]

I prefer the quote from avatar the last airbender: "Death is an illusion. And so are pants."

[@jwhitely7]

Bethesda: Hits blunt "Ok, hear me out..."

[@jwhitely7]

Half the Bethesda staff zero sums. Remaining staff were too brazen to zero sum and go on to make fallout 76 😜

[@nickname8619]

not bethesda, but michael kirkbride! which is practically bethesda.

[@darthrevan2410]

😂😂😂😂some good shit pass that

[@DioBrando-mr5xs]

@@nickname8619 MK actually admitted to taking drugs when making some lore

[@AlexD-nn2md]

Lol more like "drops a tab"

[@yogenyurei]

God head = Bethesda Chim = modding the game to what you wish it to be Amaranth = creating a game world of your own making

[@Siilk70]

Godhead Todd Howard 🍷🗿

[@exorias625]

dude chim is ~

[@memecrusader_2123]

Hey that could also mean that Fallout is also a dream thought up of the godhead technically speaking. There is evidence the two are loosely connected and it would make since is say Tiber Septim actually achieved Amaranth and dreamed of fallout. That'd could also mean every single Bethesda IP could be a dream of a separate God head

[@isaachester8475]

@@Siilk70 Toddhead

[@Uforianer]

I would say chim is something different, something more abusive like Morrowind: Fortify Attribute intelligence alchemy loop, using jump 255 spell on self and making your own fasttravel system Oblivion: negative reflection stacking, 100% chameleon enchanted gear, Skyrim: restoration enchantment bug, "fortify enchanting" potion "fortify alchemy" enchantment loop

[@cookie-chan3960]

Imagine waking up from the dream on a carriage and hearing: "Hey, you there, you're finally awake..."

[@cirosa6754]

bruh

[@jaycrownshaw3902]

​@@cirosa6754 even better, you hear "Wake up, we're here. Why are you shaking? Are you ok? Wake up. Stand up... there you go. You were dreaming. What's your name?" - Jiub

[@Death089100]

Great job copying the top comment

[@Archetype77]

@@jaycrownshaw3902 I'd rather hear that.

[@scorpiOHscorpiHO]

What if the playable characters are just the Dreamer controlling an Avatar in the Dream?

[@simontheblind8417]

Good author's metaphor for "be inspired by this universe I've created, to go and create your own."

[@DioBrando-mr5xs]

That's exactly what c0da is

[@simontheblind8417]

@@DioBrando-mr5xs I'd not heard of c0da before. Thanks so much!

[@tarponpet]

Hah... "good author"... kirkbride?

[@Joyride37]

Nicholas Oefinger it can also be interpreted as a post-modern story if looked at from the perspective of the characters. The ones that achieve CHIM and Amaranth are now self aware enough to escape the dream and the author’s pre-determined story for them

[@slaytanicsabbath]

Amaranth is the construction set and you sacrifice your game time to make mods.

[@yaeshogun69]

It's like lucid dreaming: some people when they realise that they're dreaming just freak out and wake up (zero sum), while some others immediately start to shape the dream to their liking (Chim)

[@lsswappedcessna]

Had my first lucid dream a few weeks ago, it was pretty shortlived but I enjoyed playing God for a little while. I levitated around mostly because I didn't know what else to do, and I knew that the dream would be shortlived. I imagine that's a bit how CHIM feels. You can do something useful, or you can just float around a bit because you're not the most creative god, and then decide "fuck it" and let yourself zero sum. Granted, it having been my own dream I knew I wouldn't be dead when I woke up.

[@rokturi]

most people learn lucid dreaming to bang their crush... WHICH I HAVE NEVER DONE... maybe..

[@yaeshogun69]

@@rokturi same af tried every single method but it just doesn't seem to work for me, maybe it's my ADHD? Dunno

[@rokturi]

@@yaeshogun69oh, i meant it as it actually worked for me, but i feel kinda ashamed about it lol

[@everyonehatesme6564]

@@rokturi I actually once dreamt of fucking a pretty good looking woman and when I woke up, I found my pants filled with semen

[@David_Asimov3778]

This entire theory of the elder scrolls world, Nirn, being a dream brings up a bigger question. The Godhead is "dreaming" existence, when you dream you are still observing it usually through your own eyes. You see and interact with the inexistent world. Is it possible that the the Nerevarine, The Hero of Kvatch, and The Dragonborn, are all just how the Godhead observes and interacts within the dream?

[@GTRRSS]

Yes.

[@fgfhjfhjfbhfghf5771]

F in the chat for for the Eternal Champion and the Emperor's Agent

[@Draco-pv8ie]

"I."

[@TheDarkstar3601]

And when Godhead spotted a glitch, he achieved chim in his own dream, and thus was able to exploit the shit outta everything.

[@Drexus76]

It doesn't have to be through "your" eyes.

[@midnightryder36]

This is what your friend starts going on about while messing around with Skooma. Stick to the Sweetrolls, people.

[@RedneckSith]

With moon sugar icing...

[@bbgamegodpnw]

*injects thousand year old hist sap*

[@terrancejfry497]

Holy shit!LOL!

[@bryanlatham4508]

Idk, gimme some hist leaf to smoke and then maybe we can talk

[@midnightryder36]

@@bryanlatham4508 I know a guy in Riften. I can hook you up, man.

[@TheHangedMan]

People who play and get invested in the game eventually zero-sum when they stop playing. Modders have achieved Chim. People inspired by Elder Scrolls games who eventually grow to be game developers themselves are Amaranth.

[@zerosparky5996]

Tuosan lol

[@Felahliir]

The player is the dreamer.

[@notyouraveragegamer4559]

@roadhouse669 and I’m the god of Uncle Sweetshare

[@zerosaber257]

roadhouse699 the only important pantheon to me are sexlab creators

[@DomyTheMad420]

*SON OF A*

[@Coratlan]

So bethesda bugs and glitches are canon theyre just Godhead's weird part of his dreams

[@incognito7609]

yup

[@beebo-]

the dragonborn: *gets flung into orbit by a giant* the godhead: *chuckles in its sleep*

[@hughjass2640]

Yep, Godd Howard said it himself. They're features.

[@seneca983]

What about console commands?

[@Aristocles22]

@@seneca983 Lucid dreaming. Basically a kind of limited CHIM.

[@bhambabean1192]

“And I heard the voice beyond time, beyond space” “And the godhead called out to me, demanding my attention,” “SAY MY NAME!” “And I answered,” “Todd.”

[@Brush421]

"you're god damn right"

[@yansilva23]

It Just Works!

[@NCRVeteranRanger]

Godd Howard is the one true god of the Elder Scrolls universe. 😂

[@TheSleepingSeer]

@@Brush421 "You're _Todd-_ damn right."

[@sethleoric2598]

​@@Brush421 * "You're Todd Damned right"

[@shadybrain3424]

"those that achieve Chim tend to care much less about the world around them" I solved it guys, bethesda achieved chim, its why 76 sucked so much

[@michalk.9174]

Todd Howard has achieved CHIM and transcended his mortal existence. The actions of him and his company are beyond the understanding of foolish mortals such as us. Fallout 76 is a masterpiece, but only true gods can understand this.

[@viveka2994]

@@michalk.9174 All Hail Godd Howard

[@timetraveler0002]

more like they zero-summed

[@viveka2994]

@TheZoneRanger yes

[@cosuinofdeath]

TheZoneRanger nah there’s a fuck head above him that literally drove the original head of the company out after the guy brought him in. What’s Todd gonna say to his boss dude likes making games but he eats alot of shit for it.

[@blindly444]

God head : your not real Me : I am God head: how are you real if this is my dream Me: it just works

[@mongo7106]

“I think therefore I am”

[@MethuselahWinter]

Real is as real does.

[@prieterico]

C H I M achieved

[@thelouster5815]

Under Nightmares Todd Howard defies all gods.

[@viper45428]

Apple's new logo

[@AdmiralMcGravy]

>One true god >no mention of Dagoth Ur N'wah

[@Nemo7The7Pirate7]

How could they forget a god?

[@fuckitweballin759]

@@Nemo7The7Pirate7he's a god, how could you forget a god? What a grand and amnestic innocence

[@Lugg187]

What a grand and intoxicating innocence

[@qzamap3870]

shame on them, sweet Nerevar

[@chapter8657]

You sir, are a hero

[@cattthecarrot7704]

Godhead: *wakes up* *Hey, you, you're finally awake*

[@cryptic7844]

Underrated comment

[@MathewBrunetta]

lmao inception?

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

In the chronicles of narina last book Aslan who is Jesus says the dream has endned now is the morning

[@SHDUStudios]

You walked right into that Imperial ambush, just like us and that thief over there.

[@Coldsteak]

you joke, but the idea that the main character of skyrim dreamed up the events of Oblivion is pretty cool

[@jimmothypakistan5223]

Fudge muppet are always there when I have a sleepless night

[@seanraby7479]

For me, it's because of FM that I have sleepless nights!

[@arlecchino932]

So he IS working against me!!

[@billcipher147]

You're gnot a gnelf.

[@Kirbyroth]

@@arlecchino932 better achieve CHIM before Merunes does or will you zero sum and Minimarco takes your place

[@neverendingparty2060]

Right there with you

[@wjp1238]

The God Head is conscious, and its been trying to communicate with its dream for as long as Tamriel been around. And there are ways to communicate with the God Head. For example: *S K O O M A*

[@tuffjiggly8566]

Nah you gotta get that pure moon sugar. People have been cutting their skooma with salt piles and redwater these days

[@Moonknife]

~

[@mundusvis1224]

That’s what the khajiit are doing, they use moon sugar to comunícate with the moon gods.

[@aSandwich.13]

666th like

[@nigelthornberry3568]

The only true path

[@mammon_is_god]

Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily merrily, life is but a dream. We've written nursery rhymes to tell you. No one listens.

[@rodrickgarcia6970]

Good one .

[@simeondawkins9685]

and yep lol they put it in books movies the lot most people it goes wayy past em i knew as kid told other kids at school and was called a freak lol at least i was awake

[@darkimcfly5648]

Simeon Dawkins but if you’re in a dream how can you be awake bro...

[@1LuvMLPFiM]

*MEGA W O K E*

[@TheZombiesAreComing]

​@@darkimcfly5648 Those are called vivid dreams, dreams so realistic that you can scarcely tell them apart from reality. There are also lucid dreams in which you are fully aware that you are dreaming which grants you control over your dream

[@mchapman2424]

"I think, therefore I am." It's the most powerful statement that I believe in the real world. No matter what the "real" truth is about our existence, that sentence remains true. I think zero summing is the elder scrolls representation of Nirvana from Eastern philosophy, and CHIM is the representation of Descartes' famous quote.

[@rmt3589]

4 Options: 1: I don't exist: Zero Sum 2: I exist yet don't: Chim 3: I am the godhead: Dagoth Ur 4: Ignores facts: Flat Ear- I mean Mortality

[@MethuselahWinter]

Existence is pointless and irrelevant to enjoyment of life

[@MethuselahWinter]

Lúzia A Morta Why do you say that lol

[@michaelinsomanywords3647]

5: Hotel: Trivago

[@dimitrigoryenko2901]

@@weetbix4497 Yes.

[@mfathurhaqihaqi6261]

Or the fifth option: 5. No, I'm going to create my own dream: Amaranth

[@RaunienTheFirst]

There's a theory that Lorkhan achieved CHIM, and almost achieved Amaranth, but decided to build Mundus as a way of showing other beings how to achieve it. The patterns and structures of the universe are replicated on a smaller scale on Nirn: the wheel, the tower and so on, the path to CHIM laid out in hidden ways. But this required the various spirits to give up their power and immortality. The proud Daedra refused, instead building realms from themselves to rule over as gods. The Aedra sacrificed themselves, willingly or unwillingly depending on your interpretation, stabilising Mundus or becoming the mortal races while Magnus and the Magna-ge fled. The Eight held onto their power as much as they could, becoming, like the Daedra, gods of this new realm. But they cannot achieve CHIM in that state any more than the Daedra can. Proud "gods" obsessed with their worship unable to dream of anything beyond, while the mortals are the dreamers, the creators, the true inheritors of Lorkhan's legacy and knowledge. Tiber Septim, Vivec, and possibly the entire race of Dwemer achieved it, spitting in the faces of Aedra and Daedra alike.

[@peachyjam9440]

I'm pretty sure that's true but Amatanth is fanfiction and the Dwemer didn't achieve CHIM, they turned into shades

[@RaunienTheFirst]

@@peachyjam9440 they might have achieved CHIM and zero-summed. And as far as I'm concerned, whatever Michael Kirkbride writes or accepts is canon.

[@peachyjam9440]

@@RaunienTheFirst No..... Kirkbride wrote lore for Morrowind, anything he wrote after he left the company is not canon and is referred to as c0da. I love Kirkbride's writing for Morrowind but anyone who claims that his fanfiction is canon is wrong

[@peachyjam9440]

You either achieve CHIM or zero-sum, I don't think it's possible to do both

[@DioBrando-mr5xs]

Lorhkan, being unable to die, could not acheive *CHIM*. He made Nirn so others could achieve *CHIM*

[@fnfdmgjfndf]

For the past week I've become semi-lucid every time I dreamt, and have spent hours of dream-time hovering through whatever dreamscape my subconscious conjures up, trying to explain to the (lacking a better term) NPCs that they're in a dream I'm having. Either they never listen, or my randomly chosen disciples are consciously rejecting the revelation I'm trying to push unto them because the existential crisis would shatter them. I think I need to cut down on the Elder Scrolls lore.

[@lsswappedcessna]

I've only ever had one lucid dream, a few weeks ago. I didn't know what to do, so I just floated around the room for a bit before letting myself zero sum and wake up. I want to do it more. Sadly, I hardly ever dream.

[@jinglejangle1533]

This is the greatest most interesting shit ive read please post your dreamscape god fuckery stories i need to read them

[@fnfdmgjfndf]

@@jinglejangle1533 I mean it's been... A while, but I vaguely remember some of it and I'll try to write it down when I have the time.

[@IStolePillows]

And then everyone clapped.

[@starmorpheus]

@@IStolePillows Everyone's cheeks were clapped

[@Thecoochiemaster]

I really like how actually applicable a philosophy this is. It's a combination of intrinsic valuation nihilism and taoism; achieving chim isn't actually knowing whether everything is objectively real or not real, but that it doesn't make a difference in what you are experiencing, what you're able to witness, understand, and interact with. If everything is fake, it doesn't make this apple in your hand feel any different, it doesn't make it taste any different. Knowing that the apple in your hand is fake when you hold and taste it, is indistinguishable from knowing that the apple in your hand is real when you hold and taste it. If we go the route like in men in black, where there's an entire universe in the gem hanging from the collar of a cat, does it matter that we're an entire subatomically sized universe dangling from the neck of a titan? We can't witness or interact with it in any way, so it is not our reality. You recognize this indifference between objective reality and illusion, and with it that you are a conscious and thinking being, capable of actions, thoughts, and feelings completely independent of the ultimate goal of reality around you which is entropy. You recognize that there is no absolute goal or objective, and the god-like powers of chim is representative of being able to create your own goals, objectives, and values for yourself. You get to decide what is worth working towards, as everything you work towards is observably reality by the only input of witnessing reality that is possible, and that is you. It's self-actualization. Now the cool part is that it tosses in something beyond self-actualization, which is ascending to a status of god-head, dreaming an entire reality; becoming the absolute power and creator of everything while not being conscious or in control of it in any significant way. This is you, recognizing yourself as an individual, but also recognizing that you are also inseparable of a greater order that is the natural dynamic of everything. You are both, in control of everything, and in control of nothing. An individual, but also indistinguishable from everything. So do what you want kids. If you want to help people and create a better world to perpetuate behavior that encourages others to do the same, so that everyone can have the most pleasant and beautiful version of this experience of a ride we call life, do it. If you want to focus on yourself and do what's best for you regardless of what others might think, more power to you. You are simultaneously the creator in a sandbox game, and a participant only able to experience and participate in that sandbox game at the same time. Sorry if this is stupid aha

[@adamcummings20]

This is beautiful

[@Thecoochiemaster]

@@adamcummings20 ty ty, I’m happy someone finally read this :’)

[@FlutterMike]

Wow. That was impressive 👏

[@charliescene42069]

Well said

[@awsomebot1]

lmao what a fking dork

[@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant]

Just when a person starts to think their lvl 568 wizard is such a badass...I'm afraid to even load Skyrim now for fear that he has zero-summed and all my save files will be gone...

[@lsswappedcessna]

how many fucking times have you reset skills, bro?

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Console commands are CHIM, joining Bethesda is Amaranth.

[@andrew_cunningham]

​@@NieroshaiTheSable Since Kirkbride no longer works at Bethesda, does that mean it's possible to achieve Amaranth and then subsequently _lose_ it? Or did he just find the next level beyond?

[@TheRealHelvetica]

The Elder Scrolls takes place in Todd Howard's head. That's why it's called the Toddhead. "The Orcs laughed at me for being president of the chess club... well who's laughing now? Yes I was part of the chess club"

[@shadowofseattle1338]

God Howard! Master of the Toddhead!

[@wjp1238]

Wait hold on pause: What if the Dwemer came to the realization that they were in a game instead?

[@finesseandstyle]

Well that's how they zero summed

[@mrklutzy6191]

@Brendefiler zero sum theory is literally the most logical and has the most evidence pointing to it

[@d.j.cassidy1642]

There's another theory that the Godhead is Bethesda

[@izmakk4006]

It could very easily just be Michael Kirkbride's dream.

[@psyopawarenessmonth2100]

@@finesseandstyle If they zero summed wouldn't all memory of them and everything they created disappear

[@essex3777]

I like how CHIM, Zero Summing, and the Amaranth could be an actual philosophical idea IRL. The idea of a Dreamer-Creator God isn't unique to TES, Lovecraft's Azathoth is probably the best and foremost example of that.

[@newbie504]

But this IS part of "real life": Hermeticism in particular follows the same philosophy as in we as creations of the ALL, a mind-like being that created everything to know itself in the process. The universe (or multiverse) is just the stage(s) for this experiment and every action, every decision adds to that. Our primary purpose is to achieve something like CHIM, the first step being the creation of the Astral Body, a body of light that can leave the boundaries of the physical plane and interact with the various beings (aedric and daedric alike) to expand our consciousness and refine the astral body until the diamond (or solar body in other sources) is achieved. In this state, we become Gods, part of the creation as rulers and creators ourselves, although it's impossible to exit this reality, because there is no existence beyond it. But we can choose to unite with the ALL though, something called mystical death, in which you zero-sum in a sense that your ego dissolves completely along with your individuality.

[@themysteriousprogrammer9158]

Believe it or not but in Lovecraft's works its never actually said to us that Azathoth is a dreamer-creator god, its a myth based on the fact that Lovecraft's work is based on another authors where it does have a dreamer-creator god, although even then the supreme archetype makes more sense to be given that wrong title so how Azathoth got it, no idea

[@gravity8087]

There are many philosphical streams that deal with these ideas, like advaita vedanta, solipsism, trika shaivism.

[@HunterBidensHandgun]

It is real philosophy. Elder Scrolls lore is pretty much a fantasy version of Hinduism or solipsism

[@CatastrophicDisease]

It’s just Advaita Vedanta, so yes it does exist IRL.

[@pritishtarafdar]

I think the entire point of including this in the lore is to reflect the way a gamer approaches their universe. Will you be someone that plays the game chaotically and unrealistically because you acknowledge it's a game and not real, essentially "zero-summing" your playthrough in the sense that it will be non canon to the larger series? Or will you look at this piece of obvious fiction, and in the face of that knowledge, still immerse yourself in the game and believe your character and the npcs are real, playing as the last dragonborn and having the power to reshape the world of the game as you see fit, essentially achieving CHIM? And in acknowledgement of the dwindling interest of gamers, eventually you'll lose interest in the game and your playthrough and move on to something else, as all who achieve CHIM do.

[@Stormscythe378]

Hmm...Well than by this standard I have achieved CHIM. I still think of Morrowind as my one true home.

[@goatskin4487]

Not that acruate considering majorty of what you do in skyrim is non canon at least the fact that the dragon born did it.

[@TSotP]

I think Bethesda played a very great hand by adding this to the lore, it allows for everything TES games are known for. Even Thomas The Tank Engine dragons, AK47s and access to the games console. It is also a great 'get out of jail free' card for the developers if they screw the plot between games (just like Dragonbreaks are) Now, no matter what happens in one of their games, it's all supported by the lore. Mods, cheats, bugs, plot holes, artistic divergence... All of it.

[@jamesmccloud7535]

Modders are basically people who achieved CHIM and change the world to their liking

[@gamesux420]

What if a whole universe is created and dies every time you go to sleep and wake up?

[@apricotmadness4850]

@Darth Revan Damn, you just gave me an entirely new perspective in dreaming. One that both perplexes and frightens me at the same time. Thanks for that... I think?

[@arandomzoomer4837]

that would explain the Kalpas

[@manithierry-mieg7600]

And thé people in your dreams would have ancient prophecys about the end of the world

[@Fredtalica]

What if you were only created this morning, and all of the “memories” you possess about your past were a fabrication implanted in you to make it seem like you’ve been alive for a while?

[@BlankEmporium]

@@Fredtalica Imagine living your entire life from birth to death knowing all things are fake and shall one day cease to exist once some ancient, lovecraftian entity awakens? Would you never put in any effort and let your family and friends fade away? Would you continue on and try to forget the reality of this fantastical illusion? Or would you risk your standing in society and any if not all of your potential future connections in order to try and warn others? Would any of it matter in the end?

[@TheSamuraiEddie]

The God head is a raider who’s tripping out from too much jet

[@Scotttjt]

The jet will make you jittery...

[@niko_8208]

@@Scotttjt would explain the amount of earthquakes

[@Yuki_Ika7]

And the end of a Kalpa is the raider dying then later respawned is beginning a new Kalpa

[@Maxranviir]

Always felt like The Godhead is a metaphor for the player, ultimately the player controls the world they play in, how they experience it and interact with it.

[@afungai1649]

I think it’s supposed to be a metaphor for BGS and the former employees who build this world, actually. Because if you really think about it, TES (and every fictional universe ever made) are kind of like the dreams of those who make them. At one point the entirety of the elder scrolls only existed in a few people’s minds so it honestly makes perfect sense. However, I think we (the player character) achieve chim because we realize that what we’re playing is not real and it’s just a video game on a computer monitor.

[@yashirobe918]

We as a player have Chim and we interact with different histories of Tamriel through our player characters in Elder Scrolls games. Something like Assassin's creed where we use an historical figure's DNA to experience their memories

[@taps8781]

So....Talos is like the Neo of TES universe.

[@ashtondillard6214]

And vivec.

[@quattro4468]

Vivec came first.

[@ashtondillard6214]

@@quattro4468 tbh tho I'm pretty sure talos was like infinitely more powerful tho. Just because of the fact that vivec was a living God. Where as talos became a ACTUAL AEDRA and achieved chim. Along with the fact that he didnt give his power to create mundus. So you put all those facts together and that mean he can potentially be more powerful than all daedra and aedra and everything else

[@bbgamegodpnw]

He was like "being mortal, nah "

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

@@ashtondillard6214 doesn't he embody shor though.

[@midas2092]

Dragonborn is when a player plays with min maxed builds utilising enchanting. (And having their character speak fluent M E M E.) Chim is using console commands. Amaranth is modding. Fallout 76 is the godhead trying to wake back up but putting themself in a coma after breaking their nose on the coffe table.

[@tephlin1405]

This comment should be popular for that last part.

[@the_dropbear4392]

CHIM isn't commands. Amaranth isn't modding

[@eothorn3217]

@@the_dropbear4392 CHIM is modding and Amaranth is console plus lots of mods.

[@the_dropbear4392]

@@eothorn3217 it's really not

[@eothorn3217]

@@the_dropbear4392 more that than the other.

[@JohnBrown-pq9tj]

"You should have a firm grasp of CHIM now." I do, and I'm on the brink of zero-summing.

[@kimdokja320]

Did you already zero-sum?

[@rjh5203]

that's too bad, i achieved chim and am now flying around tamriel turning various political leaders into hundreds of cheese wheels

[@teathesilkwing7616]

⁠@@rjh5203that’s crazy I’ve been flying around turning cheese into leaders. No wonder I never seem to get anywhere

[@tuwoast]

cool video dude

[@MetalSombie]

I really like this, it gives me a very cozy feeling to an already cozy game experience

[@MiksusCraft]

I think like Godhead is everyone who creates world of Elder Scrolld, then the player is just soneone who achieved Chim, but don't want to be a God, but want to be a Archmage, Head thieves guild, a listener and kill emperor, because he can. And after all raise a family and have a wife. Or be a member of Great House and kill two Gods plus Dagoth Ur.

[@tylergalligani6450]

I'd assumed this was the intended metaphor

[@poppijoni]

I also think this is what they mean. The Elder Scrolls universe and all its inhabitants, gods included, only exist in the imagination of the player. When we cease to play (or think about) the game, the universe ceases to exist.

[@TheTurophile]

I believe there's an interview with one of the writers somewhere where they admit this was the intended reading

[@glasscanon8758]

In this theory I would imagine the “gods” are the part of the godhead that would survive “waking up” which is why they don’t zero sum. Each “god”, daedra, aedra, etc is a different aspect of the mind of the godhead which means they can’t zero sum. Hermaeus Mora is memory and knowledge, Boethia the parts of the mind more selfish and plotting, so on and so forth. Perhaps those who achieve Kim rather than zero sum are the godhead lucid dreaming. It can get interesting.

[@Arkimedus]

I believe they'd all survive, think about it like this, the "gods" hold so much power because they represent the largest cohesive 'chunks' of the divine dreamer's being. Still, the entirety of the dream is created in the mind and of the mind of the dreamer, from the smallest to the larges aspect, so although the placement of a grain of sand may not be as prominant in the near infinite consciousness that makes up the dreamer, it still plays a role in the whole of the dreamer's consciouness. I dont think anything 'dies' when the dreamer wakes, rather I think all that was in the dream merely 'changes' back into the form that it once held as a piece of the divine consciousness of the waking dreamer.

[@Onuiwa]

"I reject your reality and substitute my own."

[@kriegerstrauss5842]

Ultimate play of the 'reverse' uno card

[@matthewcahill4475]

"The only difference between science and screwing around is writing things down"

[@NightHealer8284]

Ah I miss Mythbusters

[@Nonzerotonin]

Nice! Dungeon master!

[@f1nalapoc]

Heres something to ponder. Sheogorath is probably the most powerful daedra. What if he is the god of madness because he has achieved chim. And nothing in the world matters to him but, his madness is attempting to find amusement in it all. This would explain why he can *literally* do anything. Most of the time breaking the rules of power and physics (as they are in the elderscrolls universe).

[@violetvisionz7330]

F1nalapoc I was thinking about this too wtf

[@guitubagrips9719]

Its been explained that jyggalag was the god of order and the other daedra cursed him to be mad. Hermaeus mora is the god you wanna look

[@beastwarsFTW]

@@guitubagrips9719 That explains why he sounds half asleep all the time.

[@MethuselahWinter]

The wabbajack is CHIM power on a tiny scale.

[@rafmonkey96]

Nyarlathotep

[@Interdacted]

I imagine Todd Howard looking at these videos eating Popcorn like, "Kekhehehew. I am the God Head."

[@scrimshaw7470]

The Todd Head

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

@@scrimshaw7470 Godd Howard

[@norddorian5791]

But still YES I WAS IN A CHESS CLUB

[@SarahSnow99]

you know how the cycle of time repeats itself, and how Alduin ends each time cycle, and then a new one begins with a brand new world with new creatures and continents and such? what if that's just the Godhead waking up and going back to sleep each night, and each dream sequence is a new iteration of mundus?

[@Xo-3130]

The dream resets. The dream is the Godhead. It doesn't awaken so much as is. Tge forces of Anu and Padomey are liken to aspects of itself. The two forces of what was once its mind and being. When Alduin resets reality everything begins again and plays out in a new cycle. Roles shift around, heroes are villains, villains are heroes. Kimg are peasants, Aedra are Daedra. The only things that are forever the way they are is Anu and Padomey and through them the oversoul of lorkkan and Akatosh.

[@z1z3R]

@@Xo-3130 Then comes the Dragonborn and kills Alduin dus puting Godhead in a state of coma.

[@isaachester8475]

@@z1z3R I don’t think Last Dragonborn really prevented any World-Eating. Alduin was actually just trying to rule, otherwise why raise the other dragons? LDB just stops him from ruling, and doesn’t absorb his soul. So I think his soul went back to Akatosh and will return at some point to eat the world, at that point no one can stop him.

[@pervenchemusic]

@@isaachester8475 Yes that theory's pretty much been confirmed. All alduins "death" did is prolong the inevitable. Fate is something that's explored in Skyrim, and Alduin is fated no matter what to destroy the world so the time cycle can begin again

[@perspektywazmian3162]

If I remember correctly - previous versions of Mundus were unstable, therefore Alduin was neccessary. But if present one is stable... I think the Godhead is in coma now.

[@ashtray0belief]

I came here to refresh my lore for this Elder Scrolls story I'm writing, not have a freaking existential crisis.

[@hunters266]

I feel you

[@roflguy114]

Imagine. Your character realizing he is your character in the game. He realizes it. Still continues. You are the dreamer. You have the power to use chin by reloading slaves before you slaughter a town. The power to use commands to mold the world around you.

[@Thecommander248]

How did that crisis work out for you?

[@jamesmccloud7535]

@@roflguy114 Exactly, you can use commands to fly, kill people, spawn any creature or item you want, resurrect etc. You can also use mods to change anything you want in the world to your liking. You can act chaotically and just kill everyone because you know it's just a game anyway or choose to still immerse yourself in the world despite the knowledge you have.

[@baddragonite]

"I am achieving chim and amaranth..." *turns off console*

[@connorluff180]

Bad Dragonite console turns self on

[@braydenleclerc5529]

Connor Luff that’s how dagoth ur existed I think

[@omegagilgamesh]

One way I've heard Amaranth and Chim explain is: Chim is when your dream materialize, while Amaranth is where the dreams of your dreams materialize. BTW, Michael Kirkbride has confirmed that no one, in all the Kalpas, have achieved Amaranth.

[@caav56]

Didn't Jubal and Vivec achieve Amaranth in C0DA, though?

[@Accreal]

@@caav56 they achieved chim, they would've had amaranth if they created their own realities

[@Heaven0854]

@@Accreal this is a late response but I hope you fact checked urself. They did indeed achieve amaranth after becoming the new man

[@TheLegendaryMemeKing]

Maybe TES VI’ protagonist will achieve Amaranth 🤔

[@oliparker6256]

You know the Skaal from solstiem, they talk about the allmaker. Who is he? Is he real? Why do they not believe in the aedra or daedra despite having a long history with the hermaus mora?

[@the_dropbear4392]

They believe in them, the just don't worship them they worshipped anu

[@asparagoose8992]

If I remember correctly herma mora is considered “the demon of knowledge” so he is considered just that, a demon

[@shauntempley9757]

I think they worship Anu, but by another name. They know they are in a dream, but do not invoke his name. Because they do not wish to be forced to accept or reject the knowledge. That leads to zero sum or chim and must come from the realisation that Anu is the dreamer of the kalpas.

[@Scradhy]

plus the obvious reference to nordic mythology and especially odin, the "allfather"

[@shauntempley9757]

@Legendary Vocalists Partly. But Mora getting the knowledge was key to stopping a threat that could interfere with the bigger fight with Alduin, since Meraak's story starts when you go for the Greybeard's Horn. That shows the entire story on Solstheim, and Mora's two encounters with you all come before the final fight with Alduin, while being aided by the three heroes that stopped him in the past.

[@coltoncrain5375]

So would the Elder Scrolls themselves be glimpses into this godhead's knowledge?

[@hyperionman420]

The Elder Scrolls are said to exceed both Aedra and Daedra, this implies that neither​ group of deities created them. The only thing above them is the Godhead, so it's likely that he created the Elder Scrolls as glimpses of his knowledge. So yes, probably.

[@Argonak1]

To be in a dream state and leave fragments of stories in the future left behind for those in the past. That's a mind boggler.

[@peachyjam9440]

1. Godhead is c0da, it's not canon lore and it's not true 2. There are many entities above Aedra and Daedra: Sithis, Anu, Padomay, Anui-El, probably Lorkhan and Magnus. My guess is that The Elder Scrolls are Magnus' 'blueprints', they have the same symbols on them as the Eye of Magnus (it's only my theory tho, it'm more likely than Godhead because he is completely non-canon but we don't have enough evidence to know for sure)

[@coltoncrain5375]

@@peachyjam9440 what if they are all just different aspects if it's unconscious mind. The human subconscious is said to process around 8,000x more information and thoughts than the conscious mind.

[@peachyjam9440]

@@coltoncrain5375 So? Maybe he can create a multiverse in a millisecond with his unconscious mind? We have no idea how powerful his mind would be so saying it processed 8000 times more while he's sleeping doesn't change anything

[@rossjones3561]

The Dwemer couldn't have zero summed because then all traces of their existence would also disappear. Such as their ruins, artifacts and influence. Zero summing is the literal removal from all time. Everything that you did never happened. You never happened.

[@macole4958]

Well said. Yagrum Bagarn lives..

[@weirdreportt]

To the point, that's why it doesn't make sense that Dwemers were Zero-summed due to the fact that their cities and works still up to the modern age. And also Bagarn still lives,

[@nickname8619]

fudgemutt, yet again, spreading misinformation

[@garett2813]

People assume that Zero-Summing is retroactive, but that's it - it's only an assumption. And there're actually proofs that it isn't. One in-game (Four Pretenders) and one out-of-game (Eight Aedra, Et'Ada, Eat the Dreamer).

[@avatareternal3204]

Nick Name He did say it was a theory. And are we sure that zero summing wipes out your past as well?

[@chrisboucher1987]

I love how in-depth they've gone with these games' lore.

[@SageSixFlabs]

The lore of this game is far more enticing and in depth than any lore or story ive ever devled into. What incredible writing.

[@FnRenner]

Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series is worth a read through or 42.

[@gargola1887]

It rivals a dance of ice and fire

[@d.j.cassidy1642]

Well technically any series that breaks the fourth wall can be incredible

[@jamesbhollingsworth5452]

“Like the Dream no longer needs it’s Dreamer” -Pelinal

[@allendearborn9236]

So if the godheads in his own dreamland then isnt he like the lovecraft azathoth

[@bakedcrystal915]

Allen Dearborn yep

[@JosephSmith-lm4ri]

More complex windfish?

[@luffydexter9705]

yes yes yes

[@arbiterskiss6692]

That's what I said.

[@Ake-TL]

Juggled Lotus while concept is borrowed, it’s different enough

[@BAGELMENSK]

I honestly feel like there's something to chim. Whenever I watch videos about it I feel peace. Just the part about holding onto yourself in the face of overwhelming odds. It's like a very complicated parable for the metaphysical concept of becoming an adult?

[@kirvu9677]

I'm thinking the same.. too. It's like relishing in the presence of an old friend.. or a stranger that you feel you've known for years. Walking in the sunlight on warm sand.. and feeling the breeze question you as you walk.

[@DJl3iohazord]

Just remember “I think therefore I am” and you should be fine.

[@Draco-pv8ie]

Cogito Ergo Sum. One of my personal mottos.

[@matthewlewis8297]

I took a different message from the end of c0da - The highest awareness achievable is the realization that they are in a video game. Jubal Lun Suul, looking down at the remains of Nirn: "See there? That’s where all of us used to live. But not without a price. Dead language, old meaning: The Arena. " Notice the capitalization. Talos and the Dunmer used to live in The Arena - that is - TES I. Now they live in a rough draft of a comic book. Talos is referred to as TAL(OS), and as "a virus." Jubal is in a state of constant emerging realization of the medium in which he lives, which is why he can wield comic speech bubbles as a weapon.

[@johntrevy1]

I had a strange dream once that I was in some kind of pocket dimension and I could see about 100 or so metres in front and all around me, beyond was nothing but blackness. It was already dark, but I could somehow sense that the blackness beyond was not just simply due to lack of illumination but because there was nothing there. Anyway it seemed that there was a natural disaster in that this pocket reality was collapsing, but people were just standing around calmly. But there was one person who asked if I would be visiting this place again as they would like to see me again, but my response was "That may be difficult as when I leave here I am not sure if you or this place will even exist anymore". I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but I wonder if afterwards they even asked if they could come with me back to the real world.

[@MisterDragelof]

Did you brought them with you?

[@johntrevy1]

@@MisterDragelof No.

[@johntrevy1]

@Darth Revan Yes I am, why?

[@psyopawarenessmonth2100]

You immortalized a vague version of them with your comment

[@kevdawg117]

I already achieved this when I started naming my character the same name and keeping him the same race in all the elder scrolls I’ve played

[@SUPERSH00Mz]

I can totally see one day they make the last elder scrolls game and at the everything ceases to exist then it cuts to a fmv of todd Howard waking up after "resting his eyes" at his desk

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

He passed out during chess club since he was sleep deprived. Everything relating to not just TES, but Bethesda itself, was just a dream he had during chess club one day.

[@purpleey]

​@@BroadwayRonMexico "Who's laughing now"

[@rhettorical6128]

“Tell me one last thing, is this real? Or has this been happening inside my head?” “Of corse it is happening inside your head, but why on Earth should that mean it isn’t real?” That’s probably how I would rationalize it in order to achieve Chim.

[@Drexus76]

Doesn't "reality" exist in your head too?

[@Delete240]

@@Drexus76 your perception of reality exists inside your own head

[@horushyperion76]

Goddamn Harry Potter being based in philosophy; i be damned

[@smeni9495]

​@@Drexus76 were you born in 1988?

[@Drexus76]

@@smeni9495 lol, no, but this username is old and I wouldn't say I'm a nazi anymore either. Born in 86.

[@Scotttjt]

"When the dream no longer needs it's dreamer."

[@SmallFries01]

Amaranth is achieved whenever TES manages to have an impact on you, the Godhead(the gamer). It changes the godhead and immortalizes the game in the real world through you.

[@scootza1]

"You're the image of someone's intelligence" *By the Nine, this is the work of Bethesda staff*

[@thegamingpigeon3216]

I'm so early, the Fudge in FudgeMuppet is still a cocoa bean

[@Argonak1]

CocoaMuppet

[@BDM276]

you might want to look up Fudgemuppet on urban dictionary.

[@NuddMastersonChinoborous]

H M Oof, that one hurt a little

[@thegamingpigeon3216]

@@BDM276 Oh I'm well aware

[@johnathansfacew8528]

What do you mean Fudge we all know the God Heads name. G H god head = Godd Howard

[@sanguinedusk]

@Theophilus the homeless If TES VI is bad, I'm seriously gonna mail bethesda game studios a paper full of "FUCK YOU".

[@marcusjr80]

@@sanguinedusk don't forget to smear the letter in shit, so that they wouldn't be confused of the letter. You know, that their game is a literal shit.

[@sanguinedusk]

@@marcusjr80 lol ok. But lemme just wait a few years and see how the game is.

[@pathfindersavant3988]

Nah, Howard is a backwards usurper like Mankar or Dagoth Ur

[@nickname8619]

@@pathfindersavant3988 how does that make sense? he literally made everything possible

[@Interdacted]

I imagine TES: 6 intro "Hey you, wake up. Heard they caught you trying to escape Hammerfell."

[@COctagons]

So the Godhead is basically Azathoth.

[@billfred9411]

Finally i see some one point this out that's not me. Not many people even mention how much of elder scrolls lore is inspired by lovecraft. You can even look at the Daedra and Aedra as the godheads first children like Azathoth and all his children.

[@billfred9411]

@amarsatori Look at hermaeus mora as well. He is a mass of tentacles and the oghma infinium is basically the necronomicon.

[@awendigowithinternetaccess4400]

@@billfred9411 Old Herma-Mora is basically Yog-Sothoth.

[@DracoSafarius]

@@billfred9411 I mean, yes, this, but the "godhead" doesn't even exist in Elder Scrolls. This is out of universe fan fiction. The highest up it goes is into Anu/Padomaic entities, and even then that's arguable past the Sithis generation for ES

[@billfred9411]

@@DracoSafarius The godhead is never directly mentioned but there's stuff in game that hint towards it and backs it up. The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec is telling you that reality is a dream and the only way to achieve Chim is to accept that and also have so much self worth that you still exist after fully understanding it. Heimskr in skyrim even takes a direct quote from the many-headed talos. The lore is a total mess when you dig deep but i think there's enough lore in games to say that it isn't all out of game lore.

[@Detah_]

Imagine if all the people that mysteriously disappeared in real life actually zero summed

[@d.j.cassidy1642]

That's actually suppose to happen during the last book of the Bible. or in our case, The End Times. It happens to babies, kids, and saints

[@_Cerb_]

* put on lorebeard * Though I know that its there to attracts viewers, just fyi thats actually City-Face in the thumbnail, not Godhead, he's one of the eight monsters (or offsprings technically of Vivec and Molag since they came out of Muatra) that Vivec slain, well theyre probably not actual monsters but instead symbolism and analogies used in the sermon to explain an idea. And actually I swear I read somewhere that theres a lore about this Godhead. He's (probably) the "original" Anu who achieved Amaranth. This really sounded like someone's headcanon but, this "original" Anu experienced extreme sadness because of a tragedy that was caused by certain someone (or brother) whos name is Padomay. Anu's sadness is so great to a point where he somehow achieved Amaranth and dreamed the elder scrolls universe. EDIT: Nvm I found it This "Anu is the previous Amaranth" theory actually kinda implied in "A Children Annuad" where the book stated: "...Nir became pregnant, but before she gave birth, Padomay returned, professing his love for Nir. She told him that she loved only Anu, and Padomay beat her in rage. Anu returned, fought Padomay, and cast him outside Time. Nir gave birth to Creation, but died from her injuries soon after. *Anu, grieving, hid himself in the sun and slept.* " This "...and slept" (kinda) hints that the whole next paragraphs after that are actually took place in Anu's dream. The whole Nir, Padomay, and Anu before he slept probably actually meant an actual person's name (not planes or deities) in the previous "dream" of different Godhead. Anu achieved Amarant, and in his dream he dreams of himself, Padomay, and Nirn in his own view (hence why Padomay is considered as "negative")

[@stealthboy5767]

Wrong

[@nickname8619]

@@stealthboy5767 explain before contending

[@lazercrusher48]

*Interesting*

[@Jimmyinvictus]

@@stealthboy5767 would you care to elaborate? Or is it "wrong" because you don't like the concept?

[@DioBrando-mr5xs]

@@stealthboy5767 This is actually it

[@lol_vevo]

I like how this whole thing mirrors art and inspiration. It all starts with someone's dream. Most people just experience the dream without thinking too much about it, but a chosen few get inspired by the dream and become dreamers themselves, infinitely creating more dreams and inspiring other people. This is both the cannon for The Elder Scrolls or how videogame development happens.

[@bigcat5348]

MK was heavily influenced by Hinduism, Thelema, and copious amounts of drugs.

[@d.j.cassidy1642]

I don't think someone needs drugs to question reality

[@arempy5836]

@@d.j.cassidy1642 "A talking dog! What were you guys on when you came up with that!?" "Rotisserie Chicken"

[@tysonkk9084]

The only drugs MK took was tobacco and alcohol. Albeit he took so much he started having delusions when he went into withdrawal.

[@ishankumar6230]

The idea of release is inspired by Hinduism/Buddhism with the idea of Moksha/Nirvana and the idea of the dreamer is inspired by Azathoth the Dreaming God from Lovecraft

[@gaurav.raj.mishra]

@@ishankumar6230 Hinduism says were part of a dream too. To be precise, according to Advaita Vedanta we are part of a dream dreamt by Shakti.

[@luizhenriquealves9755]

Sees video. Me: Hey this looks interesting! 3 minutes into the video. Me: Well this went full lovecraftian real quick

[@aniken6877]

Luiz Henrique Alves ya

[@ketameme2651]

Joe Rogan: "Yeah, but have you tried DMT?"

[@vivecthepoet36]

Vivec: "I am DMT"

[@BaalFridge]

joe rogan as a skooma addict in the streets of ES6 confirmed

[@bbgamegodpnw]

Bruh elder scrolls is just a chimp on dmt

[@Talock2000]

In a DnD campaign from years back my character learned that he was a dream of a lesser being(me) in the mind of the Overmind(dm) rolled 3 nat20 to see if my character could hold on to himself he did and went on to become something else. There is a lot more to this story but that’s the just of it

[@aiocein4794]

I know I'm a few years late with this, but if you're still around to tell this story id love to hear all about this character's story and what happened when they did achieve something of that status

[@Talock2000]

@@aiocein4794 this character has gone on for almost 20 years now so a lot to go over, he basically became a being detached from the weave of fate and kinda became a re-occurring character in many of our games over the years of all genres as a guide or even being some of the player characters patrons, he even sent a shard of himself to be reborn to help save the ancestors of his family. He has had a lot of adventures and would take a small book to cover them all.

[@leomaldonado8334]

@@Talock2000 more please

[@TheLegendaryMemeKing]

@@Talock2000that small book idea is a great idea do it please.

[@danielvictor3262]

@@Talock2000 holy shit

[@jty9631]

I imagine that if you achieve Chim, you would indeed feel disconnected from it, but more in the sense that you get bored of a game once you've unlocked all the cheat codes. Eventually, you learn why the game is designed the way it is, and you either throw away your cheat codes (reincarnate as a mortal), or you feel satisfied to watch the players have fun, (spectate).

[@devingendron2287]

8:05; I dispute this, it is very doable to have strong feelings and sincerely care about characters in fantasy; just because they aren’t “real” doesn’t mean they don’t matter. Especially in a world where it is possible to transcend the “dream” and become real, which the achievement of CHIM is as you have described. In that context, it doesn’t matter that they aren’t “real”, as each has the potential to become real. Honestly, the existential terror (Which is the proper word for this) associated with the knowledge of the godhead that you ascribe is...honestly I’m not impressed. Recognizing that everything is meaningless and nothing you do fundamentally matters? That’s the first step of nihilism; what you do with that is your own business. And there are for more options than “Lie to yourself” and “give in to despair.” I would argue the true strength, the truest path, is to assert that even the fact things don’t matter doesn’t matter; that at your own scale your actions matter, so all this cosmic stuff is pointless. You assert your existence in the face of an unfeeling detached universe not by denying truth, but by asserting that even meaninglessness is meaningless.

[@slotzoffuntrue]

Congratulations, you achieved CHIM

[@pervenchemusic]

Very true. You can apply a lot of this to real life, how technically everything is meaningless, but that belief itself is personal and so becomes meaningful. The application of meaning put upon everything in life is what helps makes life beautiful, and the same can be achieved by having no meaning to it, thereby enjoying it without rule

[@Quick-Silver206]

As a writer of many characters who I care for, am I not an all powerful being within the context of the story?

[@HarshDude126]

You don't get it. There's a big difference between simply thinking the world is meaningless and realizing that you are not a real person.

[@Marnmirjarl]

Look up Absurdist philosophy and Camus, it’s what you have described above, and is basically CHIM

[@5pointslow901]

"And as one realizes that one is a dream figure in another person's dream, that is self awareness." Timothy Levitch, Waking Life

[@doodoodoo3151]

Wait... it’s all Godhead? *Always has been.*

[@Thecommander248]

*zero sums*

[@funbrothers3053]

we need 1 more like

[@Ivan--Drago]

@@funbrothers3053 5 people ruined it smh

[@funbrothers3053]

@@Ivan--Drago yeah i'm sad now.

[@krzemo644]

Only on PC one can achieve CHIM.

[@weirdreportt]

Damn right

[@jaym6996]

When godmode is actually godmode

[@marcusxane4709]

Play console ESO. Take 500 skooma. Chim

[@darthrevan2410]

😂😂😂😂 how about x box it is a pc 😂😂😂😎

[@xeonespydonum4995]

@@darthrevan2410 a heavily moderated pc.

[@matt4048]

When a Khajiit stands atop the highest post and achieves CHIM. "I see no God up here... OTHER THAN ME!".jpeg

[@Raccoon-gy6vc]

"J'zargo is one true God"

[@aidenfrost10]

Read it in a Khajit's voice, makes it sweeter

[@Hearstbane]

Maiq the one true God bro

[@mochalavender9398]

Wait.... What if Maiq actually achieved Chim somehow? But instead of doing what most people do, he chose the life of an eternally wandering nomad, exploring every reach of the dream, wishing to only experience it all...

[@Raccoon-gy6vc]

@@mochalavender9398 Maiq is tired now, go bother somebody else.

[@crimsonseraph3543]

I’ve been absolutely loving the way your life videos have been going! Keep it up!

[@Anchor-Supreme]

The Dwemer all left so they could achieve amaranth and begin Elder Scrolls 6 development.

[@corvus71]

"He's beginning to believe." or in this case, beginning to understand, not believe.

[@augustusegg7324]

The Godhead must have one hell of an imagination

[@spacemanspiff6332]

I've always believed this. Sometimes I think I'm the sleeping man. Sometimes I think the universe itself is the dreamer. Either way I'm just glad to be part of it.

[@mrmcface713]

Cringe

[@spacemanspiff6332]

@@mrmcface713 You feel better now little buddy?

[@mrmcface713]

@@spacemanspiff6332 Somewhat, I feel mixed about what I said. On one hand it's true I do find it to be cringe but on the other hand I understand that the way I delivered what I said was rather rude, sorry about that g.

[@keirantalent]

Imagine standing before the God Head, and it speaks: “Got something I’m supposed to deliver to you, your eyes only.”

[@Atmatan]

"Hurry up, I've got shit to do"

[@bjaxfl]

It’s amazing how an elder scrolls video can lead a man into a spiritual awakening 😂😂

[@aniken6877]

HeroOfAn Apocalypse Yeah I agree n

[@dimitrigoryenko2901]

I'm convinced this was the entire purpose of the TES universe being downloaded into Kirkbride's mind during the week long acid trip that produced much of the lore behind Morrowind, CHIM, and Dragonbreaks.

[@arempy5836]

@@dimitrigoryenko2901 Not an acid trip. He said he lived off of beer, cigarettes and pizza for that week. It's pure Kirkbride madness.

[@Lazurath101]

Elder Scrolls is basically Hinduism for video gamers

[@_Reverse_Flash]

Gnosticism too.

[@TheRealChemlock]

yes, it's a shame more people don't recognize the wealth of real cultures, histories, and mythologies that the Elder Scrolls so harmoniously draws from.

[@Doodmeister0]

BoyWondering How so ?

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

BoyWondering As someone who chose to come into theism and philosophy after growing up without, I appreciate TES even more in how it explores existential and mythological themes.

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

I love how it has aspects from many mythologies, yet has no direct allegories or parallels, everything is unique.

[@tmi9885]

So, a mix of Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, Tolkein Legendarium, and Hinduism doctrine.

[@MethuselahWinter]

David Pizzuto Religious Martini 🍸

[@srifenbyex]

CHIM is actually figuring out how to access and work the command console

[@eolhinforest7736]

Sounds like membrane theory from physics/cosmology, particularly how one universe can calve off from another. I love it when physics and metaphysics, after a long journey, end up in the same place, just from different directions. :D

[@tanrata8658]

The Dream: The game. Zero-sum: Losing immersion with the game and no longer playing. CHIM: You start modding the game. Becoming a Godhead: Making your own game.

[@CuriousLumenwood]

“Just some light ideas for your brain to sort out while you eat your breakfast” First, why you gotta sounds so ticked off that I’m enjoying a good bowl of cereal while listening to a British guy talk about metaphysics for 10 minutes. Second, I feel personally called out.

[@awendigowithinternetaccess4400]

🤣

[@laurenc5306]

Australian, not British 😝

[@The.Frumious.Bandersnatch]

“We don’t care when people die in our dreams.” Obviously you’ve never had a girl friend dream about you cheating on her and her spend 3 days mad at you because of dream you 🤷🏻‍♂️.

[@z3r0cedh]

sounds “fun”

[@jordandennis6794]

Women being women

[@landonyarbrough4820]

The player *is* the Godhead. We are the dreamer living the dream of Elder Scrolls.

[@General12th]

Technically, the player's computer is the Godhead. I couldn't experience any Elder Scrolls content without my computer.

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

J.J. Shank Then what would that make us if the computer is the godhead, comparatively?

[@General12th]

@@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750 Maybe the computer and I are two halves of the whole godhead.

[@niko_8208]

@@General12th the computer holds the power, while the player is the wielder of the power.

[@user-ys3jq3uf4p]

Ah so my ps4 is one of the dreamers

[@LupusGelos]

Surely this dream puzzle has a very simple solution? The one who achieves chim and is actually now able to alter and control the godhead's dream, has now actually become a personality within the godheads mind. All you need to do is increase in power over time, and take full control of the conscious mind of the sleeping godhead. And once that is done, you merely need to wake him up. Once woken up, you now ARE the godhead, and have escaped into the real world whatever it may be. You may not be "real" to begin with, but you can BECOME real.

[@averinus7706]

What if there is no real world

[@LupusGelos]

@@averinus7706 then there's no such thing as a fake world either. Can't be asleep in a dream and then "wake up" still in that dream world

[@nickkharati9688]

This is roughly what seems to be the end result of Sharmats conquest. If Dagoth Ur would win, eventually his mind and House Dagoth would become the only ego that exists in creation, thus he would become "the reverse Dreamer".

[@aidenfrost10]

@@LupusGelos nah nigga you gon' donate a 100

[@Arkimedus]

I think everything that exists already *is* the godhead, merely some 'pieces' are larger, and others smaller aspects of the whole. Mhen a mortal, or any entity gains 'power' in the plane, are they not just gathering together a larger portion of the dispersed godhead's consciousness, allowing themselves to effect the world simply through being *more* conscious than the majority of existence?

[@rafaelgoncalves7898]

god head wakes up without an arm and an eye left: the medic: you've been in comma for 9 years.

[@rogehmarbi]

V has come to

[@Shady_Inktail]

also the medic: "and THAT is why i lost my medical license!"

[@crusty_]

*S N A K E*

[@Moopie12]

My interpretation of CHIM and zero sum is that they are actually the same exact thing. The moment you realize that you are in the dream, you become the protagonist of said dream. The godhead himself manifests in your person, just like how when we dream we have a form within the dream, which is usually ourselves but not always. So the moment you realize you are in the dream, you gain the lucidity powers. Zero sum is what happens if your first thought upon realizing this is "that means I don't exist" because you essentially use your god powers to erase yourself. CHIM on the other hand is when you say "that means I am the manifestation of the godhead" and so you aren't deleted, you just gain absolute control over the dream.