The End of Sony APS C? Shortage?

Is this the end for Sony APS-C. I share some thoughts about the topic
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[@mossycreek4478]

I currently use A6000 and I am thinking about updating to the A6600 hopefully sometime this year!

[@gregalston99]

I still shoot with the Sony a6000 and it works great

[@Thunderbird1337]

The Sony 16-55 2.8 and the new Sigma 18-50 2.8 are such killer-lenses for Sony APS-C, you simply have no equal full-frame alternative with this small form factor. Also with the great Sigma f1.4 prime lenses you have full-frame performance in a very compact form factor. This alone is such a big reason for APS-C, I can't imagine that Sony will drop APS-C. The demand is there, for good reasons.

[@anonymousl5150]

The sony 16-55 2.8 isn't exactly compact though. It really needs a mark 2 with OSS.

[@Thunderbird1337]

@@anonymousl5150 Compactness is relative. For what it offers, the lens is very compact. There is no other APS-C lens with this range and image quality in this size. If you want it smaller, like the 18-50 2.8, you have to take compromises. 16mm vs 18mm is a huge difference. OSS would only make this lens bigger, don't think people would like that.

[@michaelmike1519]

iam still using my A 6000 :). still great.

[@Bermudaoficial]

I been trying to buy the a 7c cant find one no where.

[@GrantTheftRealAuto]

I switched from a7II to a6400 cause the lenses are so expensive for full-frame and add so much weight and bulk that it's not justifiable for me.

[@imflyingbytheseatofmypants]

still using my a600 with my tamron 17-70 and love it! should I upgrade to new aps-c body?

[@NCPhotography]

I actually use an a6600 with the Tamron 17-70 for doing weddings and quinceaneras. It is a very affordable setup costing only about a little under 2k total and my clients purchase photo first packages and pay extra for home video style coverage (It's a culture thing and I don't know how else to explain it.) But that is a great little setup with the added bonus of the crop factor actually being an asset because it lets us use a 2.8 and have it act like an f4 or something I haven't done the math but it lets me get more stuff in focus while gathering the same amount of light. I do a lot of parties and events for people who come from mexico and they are not accustomed to a lot of background blur in their videos or pictures and trust me I found it weird at first too but hey it pays my bills.

[@that1cameraguy]

Thanks for sharing your experience with it. That's great.

[@Thunderbird1337]

Well, not sure if this is correct. Yes, with APS-C you have higher Depth of Field at a given aperture. But a full-frame sensor usually has better ISO performance. Maybe the better ISO performance compensates the loss of light when using smaller aperture (for more DOF).

[@NCPhotography]

@@Thunderbird1337That is pretty much true it's a fine balance and you just have to light your subject as best you can.

[@b47d16]

@@NCPhotography yeah I use apsc because i like that I can be at 2.8 and still gather the same amount of light a 2.8 lens will on full frame but have more in focus. I noticed that people dont really like or care about a blurry background. Apsc helps with group shots as well because I can be at f2.8 and have more people in focus. Id rather have more in focus than have people out of focus, cant fix that in post. But yeah most people dont care if its shot on full frame or apsc, they both produce good results that people will be happy with

[@lkfxfotografiavideo177]

Most people that use full frame have all these theories of APSC not good enough, I'm currently using an a6400 and an a6300 for portraits, weddings and quinceañeras, they like the work a lot! I'm not from Mexico 🇲🇽 but most of my clients are I had to get used to the whole photo - video package 😬😬 is cool en doable

[@DrDuu]

I think there will be no end of APS-C. Keep in mind the big price step to Fullframe and also the weight increase. But for sure Sony has to update the APS-C immediately.

[@that1cameraguy]

I was hoping for an update to the a6600, but things might slow down for the time being.

[@user-qj4zr1pj9y]

will zve-10 be available ??

[@ipsun1632]

I like his old hairstyle.

[@GregorMima]

Sony a6000 is still my daily driver. At some point i will move to the a7rIV, im cropping alot and running with the Sony 35mmF1.8 on my little a6000 ... And great you´re back, Happy New Year!

[@stefanhodes9209]

Great thoughts and love the teaching perspective.

[@toomanyhobbies400]

I love my A6000 + A6500. To avoid switching out lenses in the outdoors, I even invested in a used Sony NEX-6 from KEH. The size and weight of APS-C just makes sense.

[@dgross2009]

Same 2 cameras I use. 6600 always seemed like a step back for me and more pricey. Never liked the removal of the pop-up flash. Use Tamron 17-70 most these days but have tons of primes

[@ThatBoxingGuy]

Yup, still enjoying my a6400 with 20 f2.8 pancake, 50 f1.8 oss, and 18-135mm zoom. I like the small setup of apsc, plus the price is friendly on my wallet :)

[@super-eth8478]

After researching for a loong time I decided to go with a6400 and it's not available anywhere, I am so frustrated . Do you think I should wait or get any other camera ??

[@trekkeruss]

If you are dead set on the A6400, you can always look at the used camera market. My A7III was an open box item; so was the first lens. The other lenses I have are both used but mint. I have saved about $1700 over new.

[@benuovir]

Why would the shortage only affect the apsc?

[@PhoonBucgeneMY]

Still using A6400 with Sony 18105. Great Combo

[@davect01]

I'm not interested in Full Frame. I'll be using my A6400 until it dies. I might upgrade to the A6600 at sone point but that's it. I much prefer the size and not interesting in the larger Full Frame and the native Full Frame lenses can get really expensive. People have been crying the end of Sony APS-C for years now. Sony clearly is focusing on Full Frame but that does not mean APS-C is dead. This hault at the factory should not be seen as more than it is for now.

[@ausmartin1]

Best Travel camera Sony APS-C with 16-55 2.8 G master. Was waiting to upgrade from A6500 to A6600. Hope they keep the format as it is lighter weight and more compact than Full Frame.

[@JulezDeJesus]

I have the a6600 with both of those Tamron lenses you mentioned. I just upgraded to the a7iv tho so I'll probably be using that one more now.

[@PaulFeinberg]

I don’t think APS-C is dead. This chip shortage is really messing with them right now. I remember they had a Paton for a new APS-C camera and it was never released last year. I am guessing this chip shortage delayed that. I think the ZV-E10 replaced the a6100 so no need for them to make that. Crazy that they stopped production on a new ZV-E10 though. Hopefully only this year…..pretty crazy.

[@johnsoncityaerialphotograp7201]

Agreed, the zv-E10 was a top seller so it shows how bad this shortage is slowing things down

[@PaulFeinberg]

@@johnsoncityaerialphotograp7201 yea they have to make room for all these other top selling cameras like a7siii, FX3, and A7iv all of which are on backorder and make more money than the zv-e10…..it’s crazy!

[@JS-wz3km]

Does the a6600 have the same backfocus issue the a6500 has at long focal lengths?

[@that1cameraguy]

I'm not sure. I don't notice any issues with that while filtering through all my student's images using the a6600. Granted their only shooting up to 180mm with the Tamron most of the time.

[@JS-wz3km]

I see issues above 250mm. I have a SEL70350G and a SEL70300G. I'm tempted to get the a6600 for animal autofocus but I don't know if this is corrected at those focal lengths. Thanks for the feedback! If you figure out how to deal with this, I would love to see a tips video.

[@casianosd]

Good to see you back Danny!

[@reboot7507]

I just started with camera journey with my A6000 this year. Should I just get full frame lenses to be future proof?

[@Thunderbird1337]

You are ruining the whole purpose of APS-C when using just full-frame lenses. The purpose of APS-C is being smaller/ lighter than full-frame. Besides that, full-frame lenses are usually in a different price category than the old A6000. It wouldn't make much sense to combine high priced lenses with a low-price beginner camera. There are a lot of great affordable lenses which fit perfectly with an A6000. If you really want to switch to full-frame someday, sell everything then. Lenses are relatively price stable. So there's no reason now to buy expensive and large lenses wich are not meant being used for your camera, just because you could eventually switch someday in the future.

[@donquique1]

Get the sigma 16mm f1.4 crop sensor. That lens is so good. I routinely put it in the a7r2 in crop sensor mode and my best photos has to be in that combination. Full frame lenses are expensive and heavy. Plus the sigma crop sensor trio is just killer.

[@Thunderbird1337]

@@donquique1 Yes, the Sigma f1.4 trio (16mm, 30mm, 56mm) is an absolute killer. The 56mm is my absolute favourite lens, I use it all the time. But I sold the 16mm. For me personally it doesn't make much sense, it's the biggest/ heaviest of the Sigma trio and for landscapes the 16mm are quite limiting and f1.4 not needed. The Tamron 11-20 f2.8 is the much better solution for landscapes/ cities/ travel photography in my opinion. But ok, different price category.

[@reboot7507]

@@Thunderbird1337 not if there are no more apsc cameras to Upgrade to in the future. As I definitely plan to upgrade in a couple of years. Let's see.

[@reboot7507]

@@donquique1 OK will have a look at it. Only thing is it doesn't have image stabilisation and neither does my camera.

[@rubbrdux]

I don't own any full-frame Sony's currently, preferring the size, weight and cost factors associated with apsc bodies and lenses. I still use the 6000 and the 6500 as well as my Sony RX100-5A (travel). Would I like to move to full-frame? Possibly, but the cost factors are huge and I'm still not using all of the capabilities of the apsc line. Perhaps others are in a similar boat? Happy New Year! ;-)

[@PEMphotography]

I use my A6600 for video only now. For photo I switched to the A7R4, I primarily shoot landscape and real estate.

[@raalaa121]

Shooting M/43 here after religiously using FULL FRAME for 3 years. I just love how light weight myset up is and inexpensive in comparison to FF.

[@teachingrounds]

Today in valid comparisons you need to consider not just apsc vs full frame but also the iPhone 13 pro. Frankly it’s the camera of the year! I love my 6400 primarily because when it’s coupled with a 70-350, it does something that my iPhone 13pro can’t do. That focal distance with ibis/oss using clear image zoom is amazing. If I used a full frame camera, that glass would be expensive and heavy and couldn’t be handheld.

[@Ashleyapples]

i want an updated color science a5100, i love that color size form factor and a very very easy flip up screen

[@amermeleitor]

I think in the future Sony will manage to make a full frame camera as small, cheap and light as a APSC, something like the A7C, but smaller and cheaper. I think people would prefer a full frame sensor over an APSC when the price, the size and the weight are the same

[@sleepless51]

The problem comes with the FF lens variety and prices I think.

[@amermeleitor]

@@sleepless51 more money to Sony! Sony could sell "cheap" lenses for full frame. And now there are some alternatives like the Yongnuo 35mm f2 and the 85mm f1.8 that are dirt cheap and good enough

[@sleepless51]

​@@amermeleitor I haven't heard about Yongnuo, definitely will check, but even the FF Sigma or Tamron lenses are a bit pricey.

[@amermeleitor]

@@sleepless51 I have the Yongnuo 50mm 1.8 for Sony APSC, it works perfectly fine, even the autofocus. I will buy the Full Frame 35mm and 85mm soon

[@ruff1draft]

Currently shooting on a Nikon D5500 and I have recently bought the Sigma 17-70.

[@rictar_rat]

still rocking my a6500 and so invested in APS-C glass (sigma 30,56 f1.4 tamron 17-70, and the Sony 18-105 f4 G),it would be hard to go full frame and APS-c meets my needs 90% of the time, though my next event i am renting the a74 and the new tamron 35-150 f2-2.8 too see if would be worth the change, i do have 1 FF lens the tamron 70-180 f2.8 which you already mentioned is awesome on aps-c and FF bodies, anticipate staying my with a6500 or getting a 6600 or if they ever release the a7000

[@chryseass.5143]

Nice to see you back! I recently picked up the Sony a7C and two weeks later bought the Tamron 28-200. I love both! The a7C handles like my old a6500 in terms of portability. I haven't touched my a7iii since. I am hoping that Sony further refines the C series once they work through all the supply chain issues ( probably will take a couple of years...)Tamron is definitely killing it with their latest offerings.

[@wingcreator]

Hopefully, there will be a C with RIII's 42mp or IV's 33mp?

[@chryseass.5143]

@@wingcreator Throw in a better EVF and a front dial and I will be lining up for it! I love the portability of the A7C. It's already a great camera for an EDC.

[@wingcreator]

@@chryseass.5143 Yes, Sony is really not up to scratch with its EVF in the entire A1 / 7 / 9 series. Boy, I checked my friend's Nikon Z, the EVFs are crazy cool (like a DSLR finder) even with its first Z6. Really shameful Sony is scamming on such an important area even though its GM lenses are getting smaller, lighter and with many fast motors built-in. A front dial and joystick are really needed.

[@chryseass.5143]

@@wingcreator Yes, all the reviews of the bad EVF (they're not lying!) almost put me off picking up the A7C. I have gotten used to it but it could really do with an upgrade. Sony didn't position this camera in their lineup as well as they could have. With a few tweaks, even if the price had been a couple of hundred more, it would have been perfect. Maybe Sony is saving the improvements for the next iteration? Let's hope so!

[@EmotionalTrance]

A7c EVF is really crap when using expensive glass looking through a crappy small EVF

[@QuietOC]

I am not using my APS-C stuff. The A6x00 bodies don't work well for me.

[@jhirse3547]

I started with an a5000 five years ago, added an a6000, and then an a6400. On the lens side, my collection consists of the 12mm Samyang MF, 16mm Sigma, 35mm Sony f1.8 OSS, 56mm Sigma, Sigma 18-50mm f2.8, Sony 70-350mm G, and the 1650 kit lens. So from this list, one can see that I'm quite deep within the Sony APS-C system. That also comes from the trust (or hope?) that the Sony APS-C market is still working in it's mid to high price range for the next 5-10 years or so. With the current situation I just hope that Sony puts some of its R&D to provide a substantial update to the line within 2022-2023. If they don't, I'll keep all my stuff anyway & use it till it's all finally dead. And then I'll never buy Sony again, as I do not reward betrayal. But I don't think Sony will give up that market segment and it's substantial share in it, as this would be extremely stupid. But I understand their current situation and focusing on the flagship models makes sense. So is APS-C dead? Maybe, maybe not...

[@kenthansen5422]

I only use a6300, use sigma linses and som vetage linses to.. i love it. Hope sigma will make a 50-200+ soon.

[@that1cameraguy]

That would be nice, I'd like to see some other options other than sonys 55-210.

[@goran.mp4]

So Sony is basically slowing/stopping production on most of their affordable cameras? A real shame. I understand the more expensive cameras have higher profit margins during the chip shortage but when some of us want to upgrade we don't want to drop thousands of dollars for a hobby.... *edit : grammar*

[@trekkeruss]

When I decided to get back into photography (eons ago I used a Minolta SLR, which I still own) I went with the A7III, in part because of the reviews, and also because I figure if I am going to carry and use a camera, I may as well use the "best" available. Size and weight was not a factor at all; the 70-200mm F/2.8 is neither small or light anyway. Otherwise, for snapshots, the ol' iPhone is good enough.

[@AustrianGeek]

Order some more 6600 as long as they are available - They are great. Used one for over a year or even 1.5 years (and had a 2nd one for a few months). Its a classical "no brainer" price / performance / features wise. Huge pros: No overheating in video mode (tested it also through the summer at 30°C air temperature multiple times up to over 3h each test), reaches easily over three hours of non stop 4k recording - Therefor two batteries are normaly enough for a whole shooting day. And the internal stabilisation, headphone port, EVF (though small at least there is one) and the non existing 30 minute video recording limit are kind of the "icing" on top. You can really concentrate on shooting with this model (which is great for learning - The hardware shouldn´t limit your creativity ^^).

[@Moocharoo]

I've been using Sony cameras for the last few years, mostly I use the A6600 and ZV-1 for video as they are much lighter and easier to carry than full frame and the image quality is exceptional. FX3 would be a tiny bit better perhaps but really for KZbin, the average viewer can't really see much of a difference. APSC, smaller, lighter, cheaper + very similar image quality = no brainer!

[@calebwhite681]

I'm SLOWLY getting away from aps-c just because I use like....4 full frame bodies for astrophotography and astro timelapse. I agree, I can't believe the A7 II was still having new copies made lmao. That needed to be retired to allow other bodies some manufacturing space. I think Sony should go to all full frame AFTER they get enough cheap full frame lenses out (jokes lol). I still love how small my a6300 is though, it's crazy after using a 6D, 7R II for astro, going back to the a6300 for some video....it's tiny! Plus It's the easiest for me to take up in my paramotor. Still, the A7R II wouldn't be hard to fly with so I'll probably let it go soon

[@Ls3Atomicvette]

Great video, I am still using my Sony 6000 if I do upgrade it will be the 6400.

[@nightdonutstudio]

It might be or at least not their priority. Their cinema line is moving to full frame as well. Fs7, fs5 was very old now. I doubt they will release new s35 camera.

[@TVe200]

I still have an a6500 and a lot of APS-C lenses. Tamron 11-20 f2.8, Sony 16-55 f2.8 G, Sony 70-350 G, Sigma 56 f1.4 (and Sony 16-70 f4, not worth anything now). I also own 3 full frame lenses and waiting to get my a7iv. I still want an APS-C camera for bird photography, faster and with better AF than the a6500.

[@networm64]

Almost same situation! But waiting for something faster than 20fps and AF better than A9 also hopefully a bigger and taller body to be better for holding long lenses. And why not a 100-300 F4 which accept teleconvertors? Or a 400mm f5 or 200mm 2.8? These are essential for both fullframe and apsc

[@JS-wz3km]

I get annoyed using my 6500 for birds. It tends to focus behind the subject when I use a 350mm lens and the focal length is greater than 250mm. Have you had this issue? It's been great for everything else though.

[@that1cameraguy]

I was hoping for an APS-C camera in a full-frame style body.

[@TVe200]

@@JS-wz3km Yes I stuggle with the same. When I get the a7iv I will test the 70-350 in APS-C modus on a7iv before I sell it. I suspect that the problem is a6500. With birds we seldom have time to focus manually.

[@TVe200]

@@that1cameraguy Me too

[@MsoMalakand]

Wawo I needed Sony camera for vlogging video KZbin channel

[@wingcreator]

Never like M43, APS-H (although my first serious DSLR was 1DII), APS-C much mainly due to lens choices and poor ISO performance. Also, having come from the film (all 135, 120, 4x5, 8x10 formats used), the 135 formats "mm" are etched into my blood. So not really missing Sony APS-C mode (owned an A6000 briefly) as I have started from A7 --> A7RII -- A7RIII / III and now A7IV. At the end of the day, use whatever you are happy with.

[@Hindsight101]

I'm selling my 6400 but I'm keeping my 6600 mostly for a webcam. For everything else I use Sony full frame

[@johnsoncityaerialphotograp7201]

Not gonna be a great 2022 for our Sony squad (or any camera manufacturer) for sure.. probably some good announcements, but later delivery into 2023 🥲

[@robertm3951]

I actually use full-frame and micro four thirds. Micro Four Thirds gets me twice the distance. Full-frame gets me twice the depth of field. APS-C is right in the middle but I have not found a camera that suits me. If only the 90D had IBIS.

[@ronschuddeboomdigiscoping3693]

I use an A6300 when digiscoping wildlife( have a look at my channel) and i love the small form factor of aps-c and honestly i was waiting for the new A…… body to come…

[@IMDABROWN]

You brought up “is aps-c dead” 3 years ago. Since then 4 Sony aps-c bodies, and a few lenses. Sigma and Tamron has made a ton of lenses. But now with the chip shortage I think your question is now an inevitable possibility. At least for a 2022.

[@that1cameraguy]

I know right. It could very well be the end.

[@A1000Truths]

I stopped using Sony APSC and switched over to Fujifilm for all my APSC needs.

[@RiccardoGabarriniKazeatari]

At a6600's price, why not go for canon RP with the small 24-105? At least for some bodies. There aren't many economic lenses for canon for sure, but it's still ff, and the 24-105 is very versatile. Also, with the 35 1.8 they would be absolutely able to tell/appreciate the big difference between aps-c and ff

[@Garbid]

AF in a6600 is superior, fps, battery life. And lenses are much cheaper. I have a6600 sigma trio f1.4, viltrox 23 f1.4, samyang 12f2. All I need is just second body. Will wait for new sony apsc if they will come with dual card slot. If not then second a6600.

[@that1cameraguy]

If they had an Aps-c style RF system like the EOS RP I might have considered it since I could re-use much of the equipment. For now, I will continue to use the DSLR's I got in the class till they break.

[@b47d16]

Canon rp is alright, its still a decent camera but for a hybrid setup the a6600 is a far better camera for both photo and video. I'd go for the canon R6 at least if im going canon route

[@pavelxbushmakin7252]

What about Tamron 18-300 and 18-400 ?

[@SretloW]

Canon comes with the R7 and R8 this year I guess! That will be great cameras for your class!

[@LuisGMusic661]

Damn I miss being in your class...a jumbo jack and 2 tacos

[@FingerTriggr]

love my 6600

[@kstrohmeier]

Shooting the Fuji ASPC cameras. 3rd party autofocus lenses are becoming available.

[@Garbid]

I like fuji concept. Dual card slots, colour, film emulations... But .. I need best AF available. At the moment in apsc it's sony. So I continue my a6000 with a6600. If sony will come with dual card slot apsc will buy it immediately.

[@kstrohmeier]

@@Garbid Totally understand. I also had an a6000. At the time there were few dedicated lenes. Great form factor.

[@vhc7764]

I believe it's a Sony ploy to push sales of their full frames (including the A1)...most are gathering dust on retailer's shelves. Frankly, I may reconsider Sony after the BS Nikon recently pulled prioritizing NPS customers over non-NPS regardless of dates the NPS pre-order was submitted.

[@rboydphotography]

Aps-c is here to stay, this hurdle will eventually pass. Sony are likely just prioritising all their biggest pre-orders while they have limited chip supply. Aps-c is its own system and is great for the less professional minded and even the professionals who do not 'need' a full frame system. There is a big market for people who are thinking about moving out of mobile photography to a specialised system.

[@daktadre]

I literally purchased an A7ii couple months back dude, don’t scare me 😳

[@that1cameraguy]

I'm sure you'll be good. I think the issue is if your camera ends up having issues and there are no parts for repair.

[@daktadre]

Fingers crossed 🤞 it holds up for some years before I upgrade

[@auroraflash]

OMG APS-C!

[@frankfeng2701]

Sony's aspc line is just lackluster/stagnant compared to their FF line. One could even get better overall result with super35 mode on a7r4 than with their best apsc a6600.

[@LoverOfTech]

Cameras like the A7C have killed of apsc in Sony eyes. They don't care for it no more

[@that1cameraguy]

I hope that's not the case, APS-C has definitely not gotten as much attention compared to Full-Frame.

[@SL-jo4om]

As a Fujifilm convert (from Canon DSLRs 5 years ago), I feel that Sony would be savvy to just cancel their A6xxx system and declare APS-C "dead". It might be a better marketing ploy than the status quo, which (to my eye) makes Fuji look better and better with every passing year. Then again, maybe Sony engineers think that APS-C sensor technology may soon enough catch up to FF... Anyway, I think one lesson your students can benefit from is to learn to use whatever gear they have and not blame the gear for their own shortcomings. Cheers!

[@_ac_7649]

dude!

[@classicboy97]

Fujifilm would like to have a word lol

[@that1cameraguy]

LOL.

[@pop1348]

Sony is making no effort to help APSC to stay alive the 16-55 f2.8 is still too expensive Tamron and Sigma are keeping the APSC alive... Not everbody can put 1000 Euros in a G master lens... APSC is a good compromise... Maybe Fuji for my next camera...

[@BHoodProductions]

Say it aint so

I don't care about your sony story, i use what i have and have no truble

[@MajorMotions]

I think your students will benefit off FUJI

[@mattgray9297]

APS-C is dead. 💀😆

[@marksummers5504]

The end of clickbait videos

[@davidgarrett5242]

So why the click bait where or when did they say they where ending apsc cameras right now they are only suspending the a6600 they are stoping the a6100 come on dude cut it out

[@TVe200]

It is not only a click bait. Sony have released absolutely nothing for APS-C for the last 2 years (except yet another vlogging camera). So we definitely have to wonder it they are killing APS-C slowly.

[@Garbid]

@@TVe200 i think they have shortage in sensors and etc. Fuji and other brands are close in apsc. So they need to come with pro apsc body as xt4. As for me if they will add dual card slot into a6600 it will be enough. Best AF in apsc. Good lens choice. ISO performance. Z battery and dual card slot will kill all competitors.

[@motebike]

Yes, it's the end of APS-C. Full frame is the NOW.