The END of the Lebron Jordan GOAT Debate 😱🤷‍♂️

[@seanzibonanzi64]

The same people that say LeBron beating Kareem for scoring record makes him GOAT never considered Kareem the GOAT when he held the record

[@JaMorantfan420]

That’s what I’m saying

[@madmartian2]

Not to mention the league has eliminated any meaningful defense. So I don't wanna hear about LeBron's scoring.

[@markmeloni2388]

MJ had the best Career. He made Nike huge. He made the NBA global. He was part of the Dream Team. He won Gold as a College Student. He went 6:0 in the 1990s.

[@sidjones16]

Greatest take I've heard. The only reason the record lasted as long as it did was because nobody actively went after it besides LeBron.

[@markmeloni2388]

@@sidjones16 Look how close Malone was. Malone could have gone to a trash Team and go after that record.

[@tonygonzalez6908]

In 1998, MJ averaged 35 ppg and was a defensive player of the year. Nobody has ever done that. MJ was also selected for all-defensive first team 9 times (LeBron 6). A record MJ shares with Gary Payton, Kevin Garnett, and Kobe Bryant. MJ also registered 10 scoring titles. LeBron has 1 (one). So, MJ has 10 scoring titles and 9 all-defensive first team. It appears that in these accomplishments, MJ stands alone. IF MJ played 20+ years like LeBron, it stands to reason that MJ may have acquired additional scoring titles and additional all-defensive first team honors due to his fierce competitive nature. LeBron would still be chasing MJ. At 40 on a bad Wizards team, MJ averaged 21.2 ppg. Everyone knew MJ was going to score, and they still didn't stop him. MJ had to carry some teams (win or lose) all on his own just to be competitive. MJ never asked to be traded or moved to another team with more talent so he could be on a super team and win championships. MJ never tried to stack the deck. LeBron has. More than once.

[@jacksondruiff4511]

One thing you must consider is longevity every year lebron has improved his playmaking, scoring, IQ. There were years easily that they could have passed MVP to him but they likely shared it around to give those who didn’t hadn’t won a single ring to have in it comparison to him having more than one.

[@kennethmckee2351]

Jordan is the greatest. Why do we have this stupid debate?

[@billkittleman9631]

To this video maker THANK YOU for finally being the one to voice into a public forum what I believe to be the proper outlook - that being that, at “the end of the day”, Lebron is very likely the best to ever PLAY the game .. but when you put the three primary components of goathood together - individual talent, overall accomplishments, will to win - MICHAEL is the greatest as you correctly and respectfully pointed out

[@JoezyWellzzz]

Doc got it correct more so than anyone else thus far

[@JustinShelton-l3q]

LBJ will lose everything for juicing

[@melvinbutchhoot]

Kareem wasn't considered the greatest over Jordan when he had the scoring record. Why should it matter for Lebron?

[@scottmcnaney297]

Michael Jordan is the GOAT by every standard and every measure career scoring doesn’t matter for anything

[@SonicBoomC98]

Kareem had accomplished a lot more by the time he set the scoring record, so why is no one saying he was the besrt when he broke the record?

[@charlescane8723]

NO, LEBRON HAS THE GREATEST NBA CAREER. KAREEM HAS THE GREATEST BASKETBALL CAREER AND WITHOUT QUESTION, MICHAEL JORDAN HAS THE GREATEST IMPACT ON THE COURT. M.J. IS THE G.O.A.T. 💯

[@aybeehayden]

Mike played defense. Why is that not important in this debate?

[@Biostalker420]

Kareem had the scoring title when Jordan became the goat. Irrelevant

[@dstavrianos]

How can you possibly say this era of the NBA is the most talented ever? Just in that statement you lost all credibility.

[@george1654]

Thumbs down, LeBron just has longevity, which hurts his case. The longer he plays and doesn't win a Chip, he will be "The Greatest Stat Chaser of All Time".

[@ZeroHourDiscussions]

Maintained dominance? He wasn't even the best player during his prime. Lol.

[@oneofakind6295]

Kobe is more greatest than Lebron.Period!!!!

[@tianolodz2673]

Big no

[@ijakull6717]

big yes

[@Halolegend69]

Hell no 😂 Kobe great but he’s not up there with LBJ or MJ

[@oneofakind6295]

@@Halolegend69 for you to understand you hail Lebron just because his the scoring champ thats all and nothing more.No legacy to all the team he played with.Scoring champ but where are the championship rings.Kobe and Jordan aren't the scoring champ but they got more rings than Lebron.Jordan 6 out 6 championships.Kobe 5 out 7 championships.Lebron 4 out 9 championships.Lebron doesn't prove anything for being a scoring champ till now 3 peat was so elusive to him.While Kobe and Jordan has a 3 peat.So Kobe way far better than Lebron.

[@Halolegend69]

So by your logic bill Russell or hell even Robert horry is better than Kobe, mj or lebron 😂 but lebron may not have as many rings as other great players but the records he hold in the playoff & regular season as for the only play to record a triple double in points,assists, & rebounds. Yea Kobe got more rings but he wasn’t the best player on his team most of the finals he been too

[@tyrismaxey]

Why are we equivocating? Jordan is the GOAT-PERIOD! There is no second GOAT or kinda GOAT GOAT-A. There is the GOAT.

[@dontbemad.5435]

Great than Kareem, Kobe, LBJ, Robert Hory (idk why you’d allow this), Bill Russel shit on Jordan who’s about 3rd place in everything he does and not 1st in SHIT. Literally but average ppg and he’s tied with Chamberlain. Apparently ring count matters so hory gets to be on there Bron literally snacks everyone as an individual player. Kobe is literally the master of 1v1 even tho that’s all Jordan’s era played defense like no help d no 3-2 just 1v1’s that’s he’s actually been outplayed in before could u believe it?? But Kobe? Nope Bryant literally doesn’t lose matchups he loses games at best.

[@tyrismaxey]

@@dontbemad.5435 This is the dumbest response by a fucking casual I have seen in a long time. You don't know shit about basketball. Go watch some more KZbin videos kid.

[@dontbemad.5435]

@@tyrismaxey No. You posted the worlds dumbest comment ever. Straight up about to be 40 10 10 10 in year 20 the single greatest individual stat line ever. And you wanna talk about “Equivocating,” the only ones doing that is any doubter after Bron hits that mark. Talk about championships we gonna go and say Russ. Talk about skill and try to use stats to back it, Bron by a no contest margin. Talk about skill about work ethic? Bryant is stated by multiple including MJ and Shaq who even tho he agrees with my statement still defends MJ to be out of the stars on him. You don’t wanna admit that the bulls were literally the best built dynasty at the time and MJ was just the leader of it. No you just wanna admire Jordan and his legacy which is fine but unrealistic.

[@tyrismaxey]

@@dontbemad.5435 Don't @ me again stupid motherfucker! 40-10-10 lol WTF are you talking about? LBJ is NOWHERE near those numbers lol. Go Away!

[@CompOstang50]

​@@dontbemad.5435Quentin Richardson dropped 55 on Kobe. They went back & forth every time they matched up.

[@LEGENDTHEGOD25]

6 ring 6 finals mvps No game 7s 10 scoring titles in 15 seasons Played 82 games 9 times in 15 seasons 5 regular season MVPs All time leader and PPG regular Season All time leader PPG playoffs All time leader PPG finals All NBA first team defense 9 times Mike did all that in a short time span a longer career doesn’t mean greater career. Mike’s career is the reason he’s considered the goat. Lebron career was longer but it isn’t greater.

[@soldierforChrist1418]

And the fact that Michael Jordan went to college and won a championship 🏆 and stayed four years in college

[@xerotonin6776]

And played in the league of killers on the court, not sissies of the modern day

[@iziahrice7247]

​@@soldierforChrist1418he only did 3 years at UNC

[@Jamesjenkis-jh8jw]

​@@soldierforChrist1418 Don't 4get his dpoy,, 2gold 🥇🥇

[@SherlanRoland]

And we're still forgetting the 2 yrs he lead the NBA in Steals which " LECHOKE " NEVER DID

[@thesportshighlights1018]

Mike wouldn’t let you down in critical moments…

[@happygolucky4394]

Bingo!!!

[@rodneymckinnon9075]

MJ had plenty of help !

[@jahinparvez316]

What about the 90' ECF which went to Game 7, did Jordan save them? What about the previous 6 seasons?

[@afambasil753]

​@@rodneymckinnon9075 Whaaaaaa?? Scottie pippen drafted but couldn't made it to the all stars after the bulls 😂😂. Old Rodman who came in after the first 3 peat. Now LeBron who left the Cavs for Miami form the best trio but couldn't still dominate the league 😂😂😂. Went to Cleveland played with Love who was good in Minnesota and Kyrie the magician drafted took his game before LJ now AD Russ Melo Dwight etc in the Lakers rondo etc. Kareem with Magic Worthy Oscar Robertson one the greatest scorer in his era wtf you talking bout. Quit the bs and hate man

[@billybob5337]

*Nick Anderson has entered the chat*

[@quonyoung1280]

Lebron has had the most enduring carreer but mj had the greatest career hands down

[@waynemarsh1530]

Please elaborate....does Jordan have more points, assist, rebounds? I'm trying to see how he's had a better career than somebody who is literally 1 of 1 in all of basketball with 30000 pts 10000 asst and 10000 reb and the all time NBA leading scorer...some of this stuff shouldn't even be up for debate

[@quonyoung1280]

@@waynemarsh1530 well mj world record holding ten time scoring champion, mj only nba player in history to win defensive player of the year and scoring championship in same year, lebron never even won the defensive player of the year, mj highest scoring average in the nba playoffs in history, mj highest regular season average in the nba in history and did it all in a shorter period of time, lebron james was humiliated by tim duncan, derk novisky, and kevin durant while losing in championship serieses among others he lost six times in championship serieses, need i say more i mean i can are you ok i mean honestly lebron better than mj lol🤣he dont even look that good playing and he cant shoot freethrows lol🤣

[@waynemarsh1530]

@@quonyoung1280 Jordan also shot more field goals than any other player every scoring title he won. LeBron 6x all defense and top 5 5 times for dpoy. And losing chips to dirk, tim Duncan and Kevin Durant on an all time great team ain't that big one of a knock for me. We're talking about greats here with besides the Mavericks all being favored to beat Bron

[@quonyoung1280]

@@waynemarsh1530 mj 6 times undefeated in nba championship series lebron lost 6 times in nba championship series poor lebron come on man wake up.🤣

[@waynemarsh1530]

@@quonyoung1280 again Bron was only favored in 2 finals. Jordan in all 6 meaning he always had the better team. Context my friend....context

[@nasmaxfit]

MJ literally accomplished more in less time = better career

[@michaeljohnson2000]

Well said

[@beetea2886]

Not exactly. Bron vs MJ goat debate was already talked way before Bron played this many seasons. That means Bron already accomplished his own greatness in short time. MJ also played against nba players who were less skilled than today's on average take

[@nasmaxfit]

@@beetea2886 Bro, he literally has accomplished more in less time, what are you even talking about?

[@anthonyromeo1988]

Y’all crazy man. LBJ first player to ever come back from a 1-3 deficit in the finals. 8 straight appearances to the finals, 10 all together. Only player to win a chip with 3 different teams. Only player in history to record 30,000 points 10,000 assists and 10,000 rebounds. 4th in all time assists.. 32nd in All time rebounding…. Now he’s passed Kareem in total points.. This guy is a monster!

[@nasmaxfit]

@@anthonyromeo1988 finals apperances isnt an award… bron fans think participation is the same as winning 🤦‍♂️.

[@eastbee103]

If your career includes kyle kuzma shoving you in your back to make your defensive rotation, then it cannot be the greatest career!!

[@crharper25]

😂😂😂😂 Or you stomping up/down like a 15yr old school girl.

[@eastbee103]

@@crharper25 AHAHAHAHAHAHAGHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 dat stompin was wild!!

[@worldwidesportsfansmacktal8260]

WOW!!!

[@ravensmithe]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@YunaOrganics]

Dang I forgot about that one, thats equivalent to steve kerr pushing jordan to play D. Would never happen

[@TayGee-mh8eo]

It's a lie. No one would choose LeBron's career over MJ's. No one. Not even LeBron.

[@bimalpudasaini3576]

@Extinguish Idiot's MJ made Nike famous.

[@fredtacang3624]

​@@bimalpudasaini3576 And nba, global

[@oblitorix21]

​@Extinguish Idiot's Common sense trumps tht shit survey.. Mj is by far better than Lbj and he had a better career as well.

[@Dz-rg4vo]

👏🏾👏🏾Hence LBJ wearing #23

[@Dz-rg4vo]

Man if he did it in 10 years I’d be impressed. But 20 years 😂😂😂😂 he should have 100,000 😂😂 Fureal he’s such a freak of nature 😂😂

[@venom999333]

Scoring record means nothing towards the debate. If you don't have Kareem or Karl Malone ahead of Jordan as GOAT, then it makes no sense to put LeBron ahead of Jordan if he is #1 in all time scoring. LeBron already passed Jordan's scoring record a long time ago. There is no debate who the GOAT is. Jordan was/is THE GOAT. Jordan is the greatest player to ever play basketball. LeBron has the greatest longevity career of all time

[@FinnyWarbuckz]

Still ppl are reaching! They are trying their best to put him up there with Jordan just bcuz he is the best in today's era? And how can anyone have the greater career than Jordan only playing Like ONLY ONE full season in 82 games! Truth is: YOU WILL BE always wrong comparing anything that MJ did to him... y'all keep comparing him with the wrong name...trying to force this belief which simply just isn't true. Greatest career then Jordan...when Jordan played in all his games reg season and still performed even better during playoffs all while LBJ has done nothing near as close! You act Labron and Jordans name belong in the same sentence! 21 years ...no correction once minus how many games unplayed and missed! Better career.....YALL JUST WONT STOP lying to y'all selves! Just constantly looking for an excuse....wow

[@Duel26]

Players from Jordan's Era say he's the 🐐.....Players from Lebron's Era say MJ is the 🐐 lol. How can you be the Goat when your own peers don't think you're the best ever.

[@Jon-AlicesAdventures]

Actually majority of the modern day players say its mj

[@thecliffold5879]

​@Jon-AlicesAdventures that's what he said lol

[@CorderoThomas-l8c]

@@Jon-AlicesAdventuresyou smoking bedbugs or something

[@BennyMoret-zt5ll]

Yeeep, imagine, That This High Profiles Players *DWade, *Ray Allen,*Kyrie, *Anthony Davis, Westbrook, Melo, At Least 4 Of Them Helped Lebron Wins His 4 Championships, and Exactly Those 4 When Were Asked Who Was Their G🏀at inmidiactly They Said M.J. 🏀uuucchhh. That's Painful F🏀r his insecure,narcissistic EG🏀centric, Personality. 👉🏾en🏀uff Said. Mike J🏀rdan's the G🏀at.✍🏾

[@markmeloni2388]

Bird and Iverson says hes the GOAT. Thats enough proof.

[@mr8girth]

Lol if Jordan never retired and played 20 years this would not be a conversation at all!!!!

[@pl8500]

Dude retired 3 times. MJ was never going to play 20 seasons homie.

[@havefaithinjesuschristjesu1359]

Except he didn’t. We can’t keep choosing MJ over Bron using “ifs”. If I was a billionaire but I am not . Bron already surpassed MJ and it’s time to accept it

[@saltymonkey8874]

​@@havefaithinjesuschristjesu1359 lol passed him in what? Taking time off? The guy plays in a weak ass league.

[@tenthirty82]

If Jordan started his career in 2003, he would absolutely shatter the scoring record. MJ has the highest scoring average per game. He would absolutely crush this league because it’s far less physical and offensive players have an extreme advantage over defense.

[@tenthirty82]

@@pl8500 MJ played in a very very physical league where players didn’t spend millions on their body per year.

[@scorpiothegreat1]

Kareem had the greatest career. Why don’t people know basketball anymore?? He won In high school. He won multiple championships In college. He won 6 SIX championships in the NBA. He was a 6 time league MVP! SIX times. Multiple finals MVPS.

[@moorishbehaviors8929]

Hard facts. Lou is the owner of the greatest basketball legacy, and the single most unstoppableove invented. The mofo skyhook

[@derekbanks7377]

Dude what’s better having no tutor to show you how to do something then find out how to do it yourself then do it better then your contemporaries, or having a tutor to show you everything you need to know?? If you choose the later that’s MJ if you chose the first choice that’s Lebron!!

[@moorishbehaviors8929]

@@derekbanks7377 dude, the basics of the invention leads to the pillars of the innovation. Different and new isn't always better. B-Ron😂 doesn't have Jordans skill, or Kobe's or birds. He didnt need too he was born a demigod, big, strong, fast....they weren't. So I don't knock Bron, I just know bball and he don't read like the others. He different 👀👀

[@CompOstang50]

I've been saying for years that Kareem is GOAT.

[@fredtacang3624]

Definitely the goat before mj came along. That's why he's consistently in the top 2 or 3 in the goat debate

[@Perfection212]

Two different career paths.MJ stayed with the Bulls amidst the disappointments and failures early on in his career losing to the Celtics and Pistons in those Playoffs.He persevered and his team dominated the 90's.He did not jumped from one team to the other and teamed up with superstars to win championships!Much more MJ embraced the TRIANGLE OFFENSE system of Phil Jackson which is about ball and player movements.

[@leeedwards8323]

Spoken like a real man. And not crying, I need HELP.

[@d-rosejames4553]

He played two teams though. Well, he is Great and a Monster on the Court and all But to Me LBJ is just the most complete Basketball Player we can’t argue with that. Has higher score, rebounds, assists, blocks and Field Goal Percentage. MJ’s rings 6-15 seasons though but also Bill Russell has 11 and did it in 12 seasons. So That’s that, well again this is my humble opinion. LBJ mah GOAT! Lastly, still averaging 30, 8 and 7. 20th season 38 years old.

[@laserking5984]

Y'all gone give Jerry his flower's because Jordan would've left or retired if they didn't bring any players. I'm tired of this fake ass narrative. Lebron never wanted to leave Cleveland but the owner was not willing to win like Jerry Krause

[@pthegreat792]

Mj did stay with the bulls he just had the bulls recruit players to help him win where Cleveland wouldn’t do that for lebron so he took his talent else where Also the business was handled differently back then so you can’t really compare the how many teams each of them played for. At the end of the day I say this is what puts lebron ahead of mj to me. Mj didn’t win those rings on his own so 6 rings 2 threepeats don’t make him the goat. Jordan miss the finals 9 times In 15 years where lebron made the finals half his career. Has better stats in most categories and had a way higher expectation coming into the league than jordan did with out ever playing a year in college Mj had no pressure coming in at all

[@00Aroha]

@@d-rosejames4553 yeh bro so your saying when the game is on the line you want to give it to lebron? Lolol come on bro I’m a lebron fan but I know who I would want to win the game.

[@John_3.16]

That was definitely the most political answer of all time.

[@freddysaucedo8650]

Jordan got knocked out of the Playoffs by the Bad Boy Pistons again and again year after year getting roughed up getting punished every year but he kept coming back little did the Pistons know they were helping a man become better become stronger pushing him to his limits eventually he overcame and swept them and would go on to become the GOAT. LeBron got swept in the finals came back the next year... no wait.. he took his talents to South Beach to join two other all-stars so they could win 7-8 rings or whatever they said The 1st year they made it to the finals they not only lost but he got outplayed by Jason Terry 😅. That's where it ended That pretty much killed his chances of surpassing MJ to become the GOAT

[@lifncar28]

💯 🤣🤣. You can't unsee that. D Wade and Bosh were the only ones trying. LeBron quit. MJ would never do that.

[@freddysaucedo8650]

@@lifncar28 And to pour more salt on the wound Bron and D Wade mocked my boy Dirk doin the little fake coughs 😂😂 that time Dirk was sick which caused him to channel his inner-Jordan and take things personal... Lmao Dirk went and snatched that Championship trophy they thought they were gonna get 😂😂

[@quonyoung1280]

The bulls got knocked out but jordan allways performed flawlesly, dont think we can even come close to saying the same about james, 😉 lebron had several legendary meltdowns i mean come on man wake up and come back to the real world james good as mj lol🤣

[@Sjsjssjjsjsj-wjdkyk]

@@quonyoung1280lebrons average 29 points per game every finals so your wrong

[@quonyoung1280]

@@Sjsjssjjsjsj-wjdkyk this is quon young and i dont really know what you are talking about🤔🤣

[@Oldscule62]

Lebon gets the shiniest participation trophy for longevity. However, MJ is the best and greatest player to ever do it.

[@__shoe__]

Lol no lebron is the best of all time

[@Juanphj14]

@@__shoe__ no he isnt

[@Va11idus]

LeBron is possibly the most overrated player ever.

[@yahuahforever3169]

👍🏿

[@zeus9527]

MJ > Lebron. It’s not even a debate

[@dnatech4477]

Jordan made you look slow, Bird made you look stupid - James Worthy

[@rafidammar5822]

both make plumbers look like an nba player

[@Sportyclipz2]

Bro your talking when Jordan went 65-77 with the wizards

[@DotCom-yg8mm]

Lebron made you look weak

[@dnatech4477]

Kiddie, it's past your bedtime@@DotCom-yg8mm

[@jordanren2949]

And Kareem made u look small

[@abibutw9666]

The debate is about who the “Greatest” player is, it’s not measured by just how well you performed in the NBA, it’s also how you’ve changed basketball and influenced people around the world. MJ🐐

[@Criglet7]

Everyone knows if Jordan played more years he would have won more championships!!

[@mpound97]

He would've had the all time scoring record easy...

[@franzmutuc9272]

100% Agree with you👍🏻

[@FireAttack0811]

Then why didn’t he play longer huh 🤔

[@ExtremeZeption]

​@@FireAttack0811he was 39 when he was in Washington. He also battled the worst knee injury.

[@FireAttack0811]

@@ExtremeZeption okay but history don’t care about that unfortunately

[@justusreigns8391]

Just give Lebron’s fans his damn participation trophy already. The rest of us know the truth.

[@chadbrisco4042]

It's not about participation trophies. It's about respect. Why does Skip Bayless have Lebron at number 9 all time still? Why do some people continually say that Lebron is not top 10 all time and continually put the likes of Tim "Boring" Duncan, Shaquille "Lazy" O'Neal, Kobe "Ball Hog" Bryant, Magic "Party Time" Johnson, Bill "League of Scrubs" Russell and Wilt "One Man Show" Chamberlain ahead of Lebron. Some people have even claimed that Hakeem Olajuwan, Kevin "Ring Chaser" Durant, Karl "No Rings" Malone, Oscar Robertson and Stephen Curry are ahead of Lebron James. At this point, they're probably not sure Lebron is top 20 all time. Lebron will retire with 40k points, 10k assists, 10k rebounds, 2k steals and 1.5k blocks. He's first all time in points, fourth in assists, thirty-second in rebounds, tenth in steals, ninety-third in blocks and third in triple doubles. He has four championships, four NBA MVP's, four Finals MVP's, 18 All-NBA Teams, 6 All-Defensive Teams, 19 All-Star appearances, 10 conference finals championships, 2 gold medals, a scoring title and rookie of the year honors. The only thing missing is defensive player of the year. This is by far the best resume in NBA history but I do agree that Michael Jordan is the GOAT. There's no question Lebron James is second greatest all time but people still aren't sure he's even the best of his era because Steph Curry has four rings, Shaq has four rings, Tim Duncan has five rings and Kobe Bryant has five rings so people use this to say they're all better than Lebron James. This is sickening.

[@justusreigns8391]

@@chadbrisco4042 I actually read all that. You make some fair points but when it is all said and done this is all opinion. And many of us just don’t see it your way. Some NBA players past and current have Lebron as the 🐐. But the vast majority of players and fans don’t see it that way. It is what it is. And there is far more than dpoy he is missing. He’s missing years of all defensive teams, not to mention rings. He maybe top 5 but there is an argument that can be made Kareem was better and so was Kobe. His longevity is one thing but he is missing something that keeps him out of my top 3.

[@anthonythompson3951]

Best statement in this time wasting debate... 👊🏿✊🏿

[@chadbrisco4042]

@Justus Reigns What is he missing exactly that's keeping him put of your top 3?

[@chadbrisco4042]

@Justus Reigns DPOY is really the only thing alluding him but he was screwed out of dpoy in 2012 and 2013 just like he was screwed out of MVP's in 2010, 2013, 2016 and 2017. It kinda seems like someone out there is really trying hard to keep Lebron James from approaching Jordan. I guess Lebron got sick and tired of it and used his in-game approach Jordan in a different way then MVP's, DPOY's and All-Defensive Teams.

[@phlip7421]

Give me MJ’s career. He was achilles on the court! Few legends in sports. MJ, Ali, Ruth. 🐐’s! I don’t care at all for a long lasting, dimly lit candle for a career! Give me the flame thrower.

[@coreythomas3633]

Bill Russell was Achilles on the court.

[@user-ko3sd9qj2h]

​@corey thomas in what way 😂 MJ averaged 35 while getting a DPOY AND MVP in the same year.

[@scotty2hotty29]

lebrons career is a lot better, he isn’t a ‘long lasting dimly lit candle’ he’s been shining bright his whole career, averaging aroujd 25+ for 20 seasons str8

[@user-ko3sd9qj2h]

@@scotty2hotty29 you literally talk about ppg when Jordan left the bulls with a 33+ ppg average. Amazing.

[@alphaomega1351]

Had Jordan went into the league straight from high school 🏫 and didn't retire briefly during his father's passing, who knows how many more championships he'd have. He would've definitely passed Kareem's scoring title. 😶

[@electric8668]

The campaign to make Lebron the GOAT is nonstop. So I'll ask name things Lebron does better than Jordan? I'll wait

[@kdogg716]

Losing in the FINALS is one thing LeBron DEFINITELY does better than Jordan.....lol 🤣

[@unboxtea7257]

​@Dave Frymire let's be honest Brady became goat after winning later on in his career he won 3 super bowls in his late 30s and early 40s and 2 of those rings he was in his 40s lebron still playing and he's got 3-4 years of playing he wins 2 ring goat debate over

[@CompOstang50]

Make ass players much better, win with non HOF coaches, pass, shoot, trust his team, understand the game, parent, stay out of trouble, make money. I can keep going. I'm 47. I watched Jordan's entire career.

[@electric8668]

@@CompOstang50 Dude Jordan did all of those things. BTW you can watch deaf people communicate in sign language and still not know what the hell they are saying. Obviously you did the same with Jordan's career.

[@ZappakeR]

pass, rebound, and be a dad.

[@trufacts8934]

Respect For Both.. But M.J... Is The G. O. A. T.. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@304lilh]

I cant respect lebum I'm sorry. Team hopping, always flopping, 4-6 in the finals. Always complaining about needing more help.

[@BennyMoret-zt5ll]

@@304lilh Agree 100%. Plus in His Peak, At Age 26 or 27 Already 7 or 8 Years On The League, and That Year All His Klutch Sports's Mouth, Even Himself Were Crying About The Defensive Player Of The Year, Been Given To Marc Gasol, Ain't To Lebron But Look His Historical Meltdown, Not DWade, 26.7 Ppg, Not Bosh 20.Ppg 11 RPG. Both Teammates Were All Stars Calibers Performers, Offense and Defence, But The Self Proclaimed G💩at, Put instead The Choker👑 Crown.Both Sides Of The Courts Offense n Defence #1 Allowing a 33 Over The Hill Journey Man, At That Moment Was in His 13 Or 14 Season Been an a Role Player, Coming From The Bench, Start Once an a While, But a Hard Nose Hustling Guy At Only 6 - 4 190. JASON TERRY He Took A Prime 6 - 9 250 Pure muscle lechoke James and Outplayed,Outhustle, Outclutch,Outeverything. LeQuitter James, After Game #3 The Next 3 Were All Jason's Shows, and How Together With Nowitzki and Teammates Upset Miami. MAVS 👉🏾Nowitzki 32 Ppg. TERRY 19 Ppg, Miami DWADE 26 Ppg C-BOSH 20 PPG LEBRON 17.5 Ppg. 8 Points in The Most important Game Of His Life, and Came From His Mouth, Cause Minutes Before The Game Was Ready To Start Lebron Said To His Teammates, Guys We Need To Play Like Isn't Tomorrow, Like is The Most important Game Of Our Life ESPN Got That On Record and Video... In Case For The Mounting Evidence... ✍🏾

[@superiorgaming9399]

​@@304lilhThank you for speaking the truth. Hopefully more people will realize this.

[@304lilh]

@@superiorgaming9399 no problem.

[@jbfoster9838]

Jordan isn’t the greatest at 1 single thing in the entire game of basketball but he’s y’all’s goat 😂😂😂

[@traecheese1507]

MJ took 5 years off and still the GOAT

[@olimercer835]

He took like 1/2 years

[@derekbanks7377]

Delusional at best!

[@traecheese1507]

@@olimercer835 how ever many, LB didn't take nun, and MJ wasn't getting swept either

[@Appollo45667]

​@@traecheese1507 mj got swept two times you casual

[@traecheese1507]

6-0 casual

[@TommyCorleone]

Most talented league than ever ????? Lol What these guys are a joke lol Cant play defense lol no fundamentals no moves, no posting lol just shooting 3's 60 times a game means more talent lol allow Larry Bird, Craig Hodges, Dale Ellis, Glen Rice and etc put up 10-15 3's a game and lets see who is more talented lol ignorance is such a trend today !!! LEARN THE GAME

[@FarebrothaChronicle]

The league doesn't have the best talent ever. It has rules that don't allow you to play defense. So, naturally, we get all hyped up over all the scoring. If these good/great players were played in an NBA similar to what Jordan played, many of today's top players would be marginalized.

[@user-xb4fm5rx8h]

Basketball fans are the only fans that don’t believe in sport evolution lol, the skill set of current players are wayyyyy better than the ‘80s and ‘90s. Jordan had no comp at his position.

[@user-xb4fm5rx8h]

The guards Jordan went up against back then was posting up from half court and looking down at the ball while dribbling. Hard/flagrant fouls isn’t defense either.

[@sidjones16]

​@@user-xb4fm5rx8h Reasons why you are completely wrong: 1. Players of previous eras had to keep their hands over the ball when dribbling. If their hand was anywhere else it was called palming/carrying = a turnover. They also have been routinely mocked on Inside the NBA for excessively traveling. Watch any of the recent Skills Challenges during the All Star Game and tell me that looks like evolved skills. The midrange game and legit post moves have all but vanished. 2. It's an objective fact they changed the rules of the game to increase scoring. 3. The game is less physical. Less wear and tear. Almost all of the players who've played 17+ season all played between Jordan and Lebron's eras. Meanwhile players drafted around thefirst half of James' era can't stay on the court. 4. If players have evolved and become more skilled, why is it only on ONE SIDE of the ball? The scoring has gone up. There's more 30ppg scorers this year than the last few yrs combined. If players have truly evolved then they would have gotten equally as skilled defensively correct? The difference in eras would then be relatively imperceptible correct? The only reason ppl disparage previous eras is because of the white players. Yet many of the same ppl claim there's racism against Luka and Jokic. Make it make sense.

[@user-xb4fm5rx8h]

@@sidjones16 I’m not reading all that lol, u wasting ya time writing paragraphs. Nobody is gonna change my mind ab old school hoops. Most of them niggas was skillfully subpar compared to modern players😂

[@BennyMoret-zt5ll]

Agree, First Example, The Joker, if He Played in The 90s With Back Then Rules, Been Guarding By Defensives Centers, Of The Likes Of David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Ewing, SHAQ, Mutombo, ZO, Etc,Etc, Playing 90% Of The Tme in The Paint Area, Like The Mayority Of The Centers in Those Years, His Numbers n His Level Of Dominance Will Never Be Like Nowadays,👉🏾 Another Thing, Iverson, Rodman, J Rose, R Allen n Others Guys, Said if The G🏀at Michael Jordan Played in This Era, He Could Be Dropping Between 45 to 50 Ppg if He Want it, imagine He Put 30 plus Ppg For His Career, And The Year That He Put 37,1 Ppg, He 🏀nly Attempts 62 3 Points Shots, That's Less Than 1 Per Game, And He Clearly Explained Why He Didn't Shoot More From 3 Points Line,, Cause it Could Takes His Normal Game n Strength, That We 🏀 Fans Known,👉🏾Penetrations, Slashing To The Basket and Take Off, and Dunk Post it, His Defender and Eat Him Alive in The Paint Area, With His Variety Of Moves, Fakes, n Tricks On His Bag. Plus The Fade Away Shots, His 20 to 22 Feet 2 Points Jump Shots, (He Doesn't Need it,) But Always Reporters Were Asking, Why He Don't Shoot More 3s And in 1992 Again Came The issue Specially in The Finals When Some in The Press Were Arguing That Drexler Was Better 3 Pointer Shooter Than Him, and We Old Enough Know What Happens, He Made 6 👉🏾3s in One Half, For a Finals Record, Then in The 95-96 Season in His First Complete Season After Retirement in 93, He Practices More His 3 Point Shot, And Has His Careers Best 42.5% and an a Big Sample, What I Want To Said is, if Michael Jordan Wanted To Be a 38 plus % 3 Pointer Shooter, He Could Have Done it, But in The 80s n 90s Wasn't The Party (3s) Time That's Nowadays in The NBA,That Even The Waterboy Shoots 3s... 👉🏾 a little j😂ke, Those 80s n 90s Every Team Has 2 or 3 Players That Were Exclusively in That Role, With The Bulls Were Craig Hodges, Steve Kerr, Enough Said, Michael, Fly #23, Mike, His Airness, Air J🏀rdan, 👽 Michael is The Undisputed and Absolutely 👉🏾G🏀AT.✍🏾

[@wpriddy]

Jordans teammates = 11 all-star appearances Lebrons teammates = 130 all-star appearances and counting.

[@CompOstang50]

THIS RIGHT HERE!!!! He makes everyone around him better, whereas Jordan could not.

[@saltymonkey8874]

​@@CompOstang50 Lol what? They were all-stars before he even played with most of them.

[@Stackt1980]

Lebron might not even last 20 seasons if he played in the era Jordan played in. To retire and win 3 straight after a full season under belt. No ones ever accomplished and be back to being the best player again. Flu game to eyes closed ft shots, Barry Sanders layup against 3 NJ Nets defenders in the air is unreal! This man did it all and with style. The most famous sports logo in the world. Jordan = Goat. Lebron= One of the greatest!

[@BernardBethea6339]

Lol your so funny lebron only went to teams that were already stacked with stars everytime he did have that he bounced he is like a child always crying I need help

[@differentfins]

Another stat is career free throws. Lebron was gifted about 4000 more points at the free throw line than Jordan.

[@bernardjackson8880]

Being in the league for 20 years has helped his career more than anything and is the main reason for the scoring record. To say this league is more talented than ever is ludicrous. He literally has no arch rivals to name just a whole bunch of young'ins who have a hard time being all around ball players like back in the day. Doc was average at best, so his opinion is just that his opinion. Blessings

[@Peakfreud]

Being in a Softer NBA certainly helped and extended his career

[@simonsamson9967]

Scoring record. It took him 20 seasons to do it. What if jordan played the nba after highschool not after college and does not retire twice and played over 20 sessions as well.

[@korver_]

jordan led the league 10 times in scoring. lebron led it ONCE

[@ramohnalez3725]

👏👏👏

[@Pimping9167]

Jordan wouldn’t need 20 seasons to get that stat

[@webeducation]

Huh, so if I played in the NBA for 40 years scoring 10 points a game, then that makes me the greatest? What are people smoking.

[@RyanTooClutch]

@@korver_how many times has Jordan led in assists ? Oh okay

[@jasonmardoniomeza1711]

The league is going through a growth spirt as far as younger players coming in. Plus with the rules changes not allowing defenders to play hard clean defense you have a great set up for Lebron to pad stats. He's great don't get me wrong and his ability to still play at a high level physically taking care of his body is impressive but I'm sure sports medicine has improved for athletes in the NBA since the 80s. Lebron has achieved alot with alot of pressure on him coming into the league at 18 years old but saying he surpassed those expectations is a bit of a stretch. He under achieved in Miami with the talent on that team. Had Lebron won 4 rings playing his whole career in Cleveland then I could say yes he did live up to those expectations but he switched teams to join superteams so to me its not the same.

[@Tigerbrown44]

If you want to look at a whole basketball life, not just NBA, then Kareem is the best. If you want to look at who had the most impactful NBA career, it’s Jordan, if you want to look at Stat padding then it’s Lebron.

[@shlomobelafonte5613]

Kareem is not the best. Played a long time just like Lebron. Only led the league in scoring once. Just like Lebron

[@bcamplite621]

Jordan is clearly the better player, I didn’t even know that was up for debate. Greater career is where the debate is. Honestly I would take MVP’s and Championships because these measure peaks at any given time, individual and team. I’ll take these over any accrued records like total points because these are more a longevity and endurance award than anything.

[@bakerfresh]

Like Best COMEDIAN ever was just some hack doing doing Walks in a Bar jokes for the last 50 years...with next to no audience in a secluded city in Alaska?!?

[@claustrophobicturtle]

The goat can't have the most turnovers ever!

[@alphaomega1351]

In a league that is more talented than ever? Huh? What type of drugs you on? These guys don't even compete are all buddy buddy, play no defense, and literally shoot 3 pointers 70% of the time. 😶

[@faizpaingco2166]

His Airness will always be the G.O.A.T..

[@jdgenius912]

Shorter career, more accomplishments. Doc is being political, it’s clear what the answer is.

[@siblue37]

if Lebron was in Jordan era he wouldn’t be the greatest cause Jordan would make sure .. he wouldn’t get any championships.. like most of the hall of famers we know..🤔

[@bootyholelover5639]

Jordan had a more aesthetically pleasing style of play. He seemed to float, yet explode at any given moment and he was so technically sound and Artistic with his movements. He never seemed lost or out of place compared to LeBron, who seems sluggish and more of a "brute force only type of player". Nothing pretty or fancy about Lebron's game. Just straight up charging the basket or shooting over someone.

[@beezer370]

你说对的.

[@jaymac4448]

Exactly. Jordan didn't have to create contact to score.

[@CompOstang50]

​@@jaymac4448lies you tell.

[@steveguse4481]

The man knows hoops. Don't forget the sometimes defense mentality. Jordan was locked IN start to finish every single game.

[@Sjsjssjjsjsj-wjdkyk]

This is just hating at this point lmao

[@benjaminwebber196]

Every basketball player always be compared to Michael Jordan. Even lebron wears his number. Let that sink in

[@dennissmith7214]

Shaq was never compared to Mike, wily was never compared to Mike Giannis is never compared to Mike, magic bird were never compared to Mike and countless others so you point makes about as much sense as two hot nickels🙄………..let that sink in!

[@benjaminwebber196]

@@dennissmith7214 in so many ways every basketball player that came behind Mike had to be compared to either his style or being able to best him. Let that sink in.

[@terrancepeterson8278]

Every basketball player is not compared to mike. It’s okay to say some are but not all

[@benjaminwebber196]

@@terrancepeterson8278 in a sense you're right but if a player reaches a certain height in their career they will be compared to Mike because people call him the goat. So logically everyone really I'd looking for someone to compare to him. At least my generation. I'd love to see someone out do him. You know how much work that'll take. What I said was very true. Stop trying to cap off someone's comment and make your own and see either how good or bad it does.

[@benjaminwebber196]

@@dennissmith7214 giannis is being compared to Mike as being the only two basketball players to win both mvp and defensive player of the year. Like it or not it's a comparison. At least something I compare. Shaq was part of a three Peat something that he can compare to Mike or I can compare. Get your facts together before you come for a person because we say things without facts

[@albooga]

One is the best. The other is the greatest. That doesn't work

[@VE_Sporty]

Doc said it perfectly👌. I totally agree and respect with what he said.

[@brendonhowe2158]

No he didn't say it perfectly at all. Why is everyone giving LeBron a free pass in la? He is missing the playoffs and being an 8th seed for 4 out of 5 years. Jordan at 38 was doing similar things but didn't make the playoffs because of a terrible supporting cast and a season ending injury and yet everyone to this day still holds it against him. LeBron is not dominating at all and low key has a pretty talented team it's just that he only can play one way.

[@fredtacang3624]

This will be another bird-magic thing, the rivalry that actually saved the league in the first place Nba will milk this mj-bron 'rivalry' for all the revenues and mileage it can bring the league

[@shabazzT]

I respect what he said but I disagree

[@VE_Sporty]

@@shabazzT lol i just said somthing random cause I was early

[@xonyz3033]

@@brendonhowe2158 you call ad good?I mean.....?

[@brettjohnstone696]

Sport as a team, is about winning. Sport as an individual, is about winning, & personal achievements / awards are a bonus to celebrate hard work. MJ has 10 scoring titles, LJ has 1. MJ has more MVP & Finals MVP, & more Rings, 3 peated twice. What award do you get for longevity & logically scoring sh_t loads of points while losing a lot?

[@DorseysResource]

What they don't tell you is MJ has more top tier records that have not been broken. MJ has more MVP's, rings, a defensive player of year, and has better free throw percentage vs Lebron which is important in terms of clutch at the end of games.

[@rodneymckinnon9075]

Wilt Chamberlain is the King !

[@nbagoats4819]

@@rodneymckinnon9075 No rings.

[@patrickmotleyjr4754]

​@NBAGOATS check again fam...wilt has 2 rings...with 76ers and Lakers...but Jordan still the GOAT

[@bullyv]

"At a certain point, the radiance of even the brightest flame is outclassed by the flame that just won't go out" -JxmyHighroller

[@sasukekurosaki6183]

🤓

[@McW71]

​@@sasukekurosaki6183 😐

[@Ace1Yoda]

💡

[@juanluis7310]

But that flame will never outshine the brightest flame 😂

[@mozdaboz]

The other flame won't go out because it has a lot of firewood and just recently it is asking for more but the Nets owner cockblock it lmao

[@D_Baller11]

nope mj clearly has a better career so mj has the greatest career of all time but lebron is the greatest player of all time end of debate

[@norwoodhammond650]

Lebron receive the career achievement award 👏. Jordan is the GOAT!

[@lifncar28]

🤣🤣

[@dreamerwakes8679]

Ha!!! I was the 23rd like 😅

[@dreamerwakes8679]

Go MJ

[@malcolmzackery3099]

Dude, the nba doesn't play a lick of defense in this era. Jordan is no question the 🐐! Period!!!!!

[@duperfat5646]

Easy to play defense when people cant shoot anywhere outside of midrange. The distance is literally 2-3x further now on the shots people take. Not only further, but also more accurate and on higher volume. The area would be 2x2 or so, so 4 times the area has to be defended in today’s game.

[@kalel8188]

I think people forget that

[@leeedwards8323]

BIRD WOULD AVERAGE A TRIPLE DOUBLE EVERY GAME. MJ WOULD AVERAGE 50 POINTS A GAME IN THIS WATER DOWN KOOL-AID GAME TODAY.

[@joesullivan5508]

@@leeedwards8323 typical old school era dick riders😂mad that the average talent nowdays is better then that old ass era😂

[@leeedwards8323]

@joesullivan5508 Bootlicker, you don't know shit about basketball.

[@thomasmcelroy4061]

“A league that is more talented than ever” is a pretty big statement. The drafts of the mid-80s were pretty stacked: MJ, Pippen, Mullin, Barkley, Malone, Olajuwon, Robinson a bit later. Draft class of 96 is well documented with their guys, with Duncan in 97 joining them. The 03 draft class was also stacked pretty good: LeBron, Wade, Bosh

[@leeedwards8323]

That dude smoke some 1 and gone.

[@chefffcurry7376]

MJ has never had "PED" alligations and LeBron has, end of discussion MJ is the G.O.A.T! #MJ>LBJ

[@lilken21]

If I could snap my fingers and pick whose accolades and accomplishments I’d want, I’m taking Jordan’s. Not even a debate. That fan shyt is just fan shyt. It’s different if you’d have to pick for yaself.

[@madazza]

Imagine the record's Jordan would have set if he played for 20 year's

[@xXLOADEDdiaper]

Exactly

[@icemanx5085]

If he came out of High School to the worst team on planet earth he would a legend on every timeline. He would be a Nexus Ball Player

[@nickjones3860]

Exactly!!

[@ZappakeR]

and he got suspen, i mean played baseball in the middle of his prime!

[@jeremycrothers9792]

So it is lebron's fault Jordan had to take 2 breaks 🤔

[@konkola3295]

Jordan is the goat. The most feared player in NBA history. He never sat out for load management and never coasted through the regular season like Lebron. Jordan will always be the goat.

[@chadbrisco4042]

@Konkola Wilt Chamberlain is the most feared player in NBA history followed by Shaq and then Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

[@jahinparvez316]

Jordan did load manage. He took 3-4 total seasons off throughout his career

[@anthonyromeo1988]

@@jahinparvez316 💥 💯

[@aro245]

@@jahinparvez316 😂🫵🏼🫵🏼🫵🏼🫵🏼😂. you funny mf you. kick those mf facts my brother

[@aro245]

@@chadbrisco4042 facts baby. f this dude talking bout. jordan the most feared. 😂😂😂😂 great comment.

[@hakeemolajuwon4352]

How can LeBron have the greatest career when he can't even match up to Duncan's career?! This is ridiculous

[@amabellebascar5482]

Bitter

[@KrispyKleenex365]

If not for Ray Allen …Tim Duncan would 6-0 in the Finals , have 6 Rings , Back 2 Back Champion &, UNDEFEATED vs Lebron

[@TheTurtlebot]

People makin shit up at this point how u gonna have the greatest career and not be the greatest

[@tankwhite.7036]

Exactly sound so stupid yet morons think it's a great answer.

[@Juanphj14]

Because MJ has had a much bigger impact to the game of basketball

[@tankwhite.7036]

@@Juanphj14 it's called marketing!

[@joshelliott4451]

Mostly becuase his great career didn't come with that many great accomplishments... 0 dpoy, 1 scoring title, and a losing finals record..... but he was there for a long time.

[@drj1573]

I’ve seen both of them play and mj was just different. Lebron better career but Jordan’s the best player to put on a jersey

[@DsLmaNiaC]

There was no debate to start with.

[@cameronrichard41]

Stop with the bron participant greatest of all time. There is only one goat and that is Michael Jeffrey Jordan

[@crookedspinemusic]

“League that is more talented than ever” 😂😂😂😂

[@Don2woshiftey]

Fr like MJ played now he averaging like 18-22. Bron plays back then he’s averaging like 34

[@crookedspinemusic]

@@Don2woshiftey 🤣🤣

[@irshadpthenryprimetimehenr4356]

nba is terrible 80 and 90 s way better LeBron does not play defense

[@meepp8281]

@@Don2woshiftey this made me giggle 😂

[@guyschill2059]

​@@irshadpthenryprimetimehenr4356😂😂

[@kingpin4235]

Lebron need a lot of help and jump to another team.

[@tankwhite.7036]

Golden State - Curry, Klay, Green, KD Boston - Allen, The Truth, KG, Rondo San Antonio - TD, Manu, TP, Kawhi But LeBron need help, duh!

[@kingpin4235]

@@tankwhite.7036 nigga. U dont know basketball . See he loss again today crying for foul 😂

[@tankwhite.7036]

@@kingpin4235 While dropping 41pts at age 38. Get off your knees and let LeBron wife do her job!

[@kingpin4235]

@@tankwhite.7036 Loss is loss nigga need more trade u got that japanese nigga now

[@tankwhite.7036]

@@kingpin4235 You sound like a complete moron, I know you took that short yellow bus to school!

[@cee7345]

Blame the bulls management for breaking the team up, had MJ played longer his career would have been better and the scoring title much respect for lebron career but MJ the goat

[@georgesariego1388]

Dude you mj sexuals always brag about mjs 6 rings so lbj has the best career and the best player you say no u don't know basketball

[@benjaminanacay3148]

I mean he played the longest so yeah, he can break KAJ scoring record. But these two played in different era of basketball. I don't think LJ will last if he would've played during MJ's time.

[@Mrkoolaid333]

Take away breaking the scoring record how great is it really 🤣 if it wasn’t for Ray’s and Kyrie’s 3’s Lebum literally should be 2-8 in the finals! Them are Facts my N’s✊🏾

[@dontbemad.5435]

Ok? So what if Rodman wasn’t there to rebound? Or Pippen wasn’t there to be THE best second option? Or if literally any of the support cast was trash? Literally most of the bulls that year hold outstanding records, Jordan just being the best out of. Jordan would never be able to walk in Kobe or Brons shoes and do what they done proof by his lack of rings without Pippen and toe. And proof by Brons abundance of rings without wade kyrie an out of prime ray Allen or literally anyone he wins a chip with. He turns average stars into all stars the only ones good enough on their own was Wade and Kyrie simple.

[@Mrkoolaid333]

🤣🤣🤣 another delusional Bronsexual 🤣🤣🤣 there ain’t no Kobe or Lebum without the greatest player to am ever live MJ23 ✋🏾☝🏾

[@dontbemad.5435]

@@Mrkoolaid333 I swear to god… and there wouldn’t be Jordan without Larry or Johnson one of those two whippin Jordan’s ass and being his worst nightmare for a straight 3 seasons you dick head.

[@Mrkoolaid333]

Awe look who’s mad now 🤣🤣🤣 you need to follow yo own rules foo!

[@jamesscott3509]

@@dontbemad.5435 What abundance of rings does LeBron have without Wade, Irving, or Allen? He only has one and he wouldn't have that one if it wasn't for Anthony Davis, an out of his prime Dwight Howard and a strong supporting cast/bench of good role players that understood their assignments.

[@galaxyfrenzy5425]

there's nothing to debate about. Bron can't never be at the level of MJ. Physically and mentally they're that different.

[@omnitheus5442]

😂😂😂

[@apryllemelodysuyo2072]

Mentally MJ but physically, obviously Lebron.

[@tonemoney1733]

Lbj only got length of career over MJ and that's while get less mpg and playing less games in a season

[@taharqaheru145]

No comparison. MJ is The 🐐

[@asgardaudio]

The league isn't more talented than previous years. Rules have changed to make scoring and guard play a priority.

[@blueheath6653]

When LeBron became better than Kobe

[@cojack636]

2007

[@Tajeezy13]

@@cojack636 big lies

[@blueheath6653]

07 you got to be crazy

[@dsboy4120]

2018

[@blueheath6653]

No

[@urazsoktay5275]

Jordan is the best basketball player ever and he is also the goat.

[@tlest1993]

One of the reasons why LeBron lasted this long in the league is because of the new rules. In Jordan's era, they played more physical than today's era. If you graze a player today, you're going to the line to shoot free throws.

[@TheAxon8888]

Then why is no one else like LeBron nowadays.

[@tmfijiibeatz2460]

you mean balco?

[@1322fulgore]

​@@TheAxon8888lame response

[@truthis612]

Doc needs to find a formula for winning when it counts.

[@Anonymous__Prime]

Lebron would have quit basketball if he had to drive to the hole in the 90’s 😂

[@ShaDusK]

So you think MJ has LeBron numbered in strength? LBJ can play PF and C positions..

[@Anonymous__Prime]

@@ShaDusK what I’m saying is Lebron is bitch made #leCryBaby

[@Justme_babajjjjja]

​@@ShaDusKstop lying just of he flops way to much and complains way to damn much to be center and isn't he getting dominated by a center that cant jump a inch off a floor and doesn't MJ era definition of real basketball

[@304lilh]

@ShaDusK in today's game not in the 90's. Don't be ignorant!!!

[@d3adyoutubeaccount]

Are you crazy? Jordan was able to drive when he was 235, LeBron is over 250. Just say you don’t know ball

[@ivanaparte1852]

Really don't know how Lebrons Career beats 30+ ppg and 6 champions trough 13 years at his best along with 5 mvps and 10 scoring titles and so on

[@drelombongo5480]

I'm still Team KOBE. I just don't see how LeBron is better and I didn't watch much of MJ.

[@cojack636]

16-6 head to head while outperforming him in most of the games while also having more regular season mvps and finals mvps. Along with better numbers across the board both accumulative and average. Accolades, numbers and head to head match ups all favor LeBron James. As far as skills, Kobe has a better handle and a higher ft% that's about it. That's how LeBron is the better player. Hope that helps...btw intangibles like leadership and being a good teammate and the ability to do more with less is just the cherry on top.

[@drelombongo5480]

@@cojack636 exactly my point. Stats matter very little for me because there are a lot of players with good stats and plenty of silverware because they were in the right teams. As someone that predominantly watches soccer/football, I'm really big in the skills cuz. For me it's all about the skills, I need to be entertained and LeBron does very little for me. Kobe on the other hand made go outside immediately after the game and I'll try replicating what I just saw. Thanks for the clarity though.

[@Scuffed_kid]

Kobe 🐐tho

[@yrjdarien9764]

Duhh

[@Akashic85]

you trippin kobe is like mj lite, hes hella good, but nowhere near goat level status like lebron and mike are.

[@Scuffed_kid]

@@Akashic85 as mike once said 5 beats 4

[@Akashic85]

@@Scuffed_kid you have a self contradicting argument. if you're going to bring up rings, mj's 6 beats kobe's 5, eliminating his claim for being the goat. also, we're not even counting the fact that 3 of those rings were when he was gettin carried by shaq. so going fmvps, lebron still has more. of course, the goat debate is more than just rings, but i doubt you'd have even consider other factors else you'd have realized that these mj and lebron are clearly 1a and 1b, regardless of whatever order you put them in

[@yemoochy9553]

Most Skilled player of All time shy of just a few Accolades and he would be alot more peoples Goat, but Kobe still does have a case

[@rodnejean9880]

I give lebron credit for is longevity not in term of many seasons played and games but in term of how he maintains his body ,Mj played till 40 not because of his body maintenance but because of his talent ,and knowing the fact that mj played 9 (82) even 2002-03 he played 82 games that’s speak volume of his longevity

[@coveringspread]

4-6 is considered dominance? I see nowadays participation trophies have more value than actually winning.

[@supr4rce]

They did an analysis of who was more clutch with the game on the line with the last shot in the last seconds of a game-Michael Jordan had a 52% rating, Lebron’s was 22%. People seem to forget that NBA players play for championships, not scoring titles, most rebounds, most blocked shots, assists or steals….championships! None of that amounts to anything if a player’s career is full of doubt because he switched teams to purposely link up with 2 established all-stars to win rings, then goes back to Cleveland to purposely link with a young superstar PG Kyrie Irving, then to link up with all-star Anthony Davis in LA, which has now amounted to the biggest clown show in Lakers history. Then every milestone he’s ever accomplished has culminated in a losing effort, including this scoring title achievement which was topped off by the Lakers losing to OKC. Lebron’s greatness is a product of modern society’s lack of critical thinking and need to create something awesome where there isn’t anything truly amazing to see. By the way, if you compare Kareem and Lebron’s careers based on the age they started playing national level basketball (18 years old), Kareem spent 3 years in the NCAA and collected 3 championships and 5,000+ points. Lebron has no NCAA championships and Kareem technically still has 5,000+ more points and various other achievements Lebron will never have! If these modern day people want to celebrate a really good player, then let them! But 4 rings on 3 different preemptive teams and a season in which he couldn’t even get the Lakers into the playoffs….isn’t GOAT material.

[@MrDarkweaver]

Jordan's peak was higher than any other player in NBA history in terms of his dominance. Wilt had all the numbers but it didn't translate to winning. All the advanced metrics give Jordan the edge. LeBron's consistency and longevity are unparalleled. He is arguably no 2 on the list, but at their peaks I'd Michael over LeBron in any basketball situation.

[@jeffhayes605]

Jordan’s career put the entire NBA into world wide superstardom. Elvis or the Beatles were the Michael Jordan of rock n roll

[@jovanwilson6433]

No one wants to play like or be Lebron. At the time everybody wanted to be like Jordan, and i heard a 9yr old yell out Kobe when throwing something away. Case closed

[@1322fulgore]

Lebron fans can't stand most nba players say Kobe closest to Jordan than Lebron. They fat couch potatoes who didn't play like them so they not credible. BTW the way I won't read or respond to anyone's comments

[@BmoreLoc]

Disagree. LeBron is a great player, probably the best of the post Kobe era. But, he passed Kareem in a time when the 3 was much more a part of the game and has made 2237. Kareem held the scoring record for 38 years while only making one 3 pointer his entire career. Not to mention the 3 point shot was implemented in 1979, so Kareem didn’t have the option of a 3 ball for half of his career anyway. That being said, Kareem actually scored more times in his 20 year career than LeBron to reach that point total. He also shot a .559 field goal percentage to LeBron’s .505. As far as MJ vs LeBron, I just think Mike was an assassin. LeBron, as great as he is/was throughout his career, I’d take MJ in a heartbeat in a finals series over LeBron any day. That’s just my opinion.

[@MadeMan376]

how you mention all these players without mentioning wilt chamberlain😂😂😂😂

[@thecall0ut]

Lebron: most playoff loses all-time ✔, most committed turnovers all-time ✔, most shots taken all-time (but he's pass 1st?) ✔, most missed shots all-time ✔, only player to be Swept in 3 finals series ✔ worst +/- in NBA finals history -86 ✔ 2nd worst NBA finals record all-time 4-6 ✔ that's not a top 5 player all-time......

[@lemonlime3688]

People tend to compare careers, not skill. This is a valid take by Doc

[@redder4275]

So how can you have career if you do not have skills.. Jordan is more skillful than lebron...

[@lemonlime3688]

@@redder4275 that’s not true, lebron is WAYYY more well-rounded, arguably a better defender (Jordan was good but his defense is overrated bcuz he had Pippen and Rodman), a better shooter, way more efficient, and has never had teammates as good as Jordan did

[@lemonlime3688]

@VibesStar007 He’s ARGUABLY a better defender, also he’s a way better shooter. Also i’ve been watching it for a fat minute. Also The HOF players he’s played with? Let’s go over them Dwayne Wade: Got 2 rings as the Robin to LeBron. Also he sold BAD in 2014. When he played for the Cavs, he was old and didn’t do anything. Chris Bosh: Same as Wade, but never went to the Cavs. Ray Allen: A great shooter who did the same as the previous two. Dwight Howard: Was old and barely played when he was on the Lakers. Kyrie Irving: Helped win a ring with LeBron after being injured in the 2015 Finals, but then he ditched him for Boston. Anthony Davis: Was an All-Star for the Lakers in 2020, but hasn’t done much since Derrick Rose: Played with LeBron when he was old as crap and after those injuries. Carmelo Anthony: Was old as crap and never did anything for the Lakers, and they finished as a trash team when he was with them. Russell Westbrook: Has played 6th man minutes for the Lakers and has been hated for not being as good as he was, even though he’s playing as a solid role player. Shaquille O’Neal: Played half a season with LeBron when he was old and way beyond his prime. Kevin Love: Helped with the 2016 ring mainly as a defender and rebounder, and sometimes a shooter. (If i forgot any lmk) Then let’s look at Mikes: Scottie Pippen: Top 5 small forward of all time and top 3 defender of all time. Also a great playmaker and a good scorer. He guarded the best players in the majority of Mikes career. Dennis Rodman: The best rebounder of all time and a top 3-5 defender of all time. Guarded the 2nd best players for the 2nd three-peat, or would lock up whoever was in the paint. Tony Kukoć (I’m pretty sure he’s in the HOF): A good scorer and defender. Never was a great, but he impacted games. Let me know if i forgot any. Edits for misspelling.

[@lemonlime3688]

@VibesStar007 you ain’t even read it 💀 also just because he’s played more in the 3 point area doesn’t discount his 3 point shooting, that’s like saying Curry isn’t as good a shooter as Giannis because he plays more on the 3 point line 😂 it makes no sense. also don’t get into a debate with someone if you aren’t even willing to hear their points. plus we ain’t even brought up comp yet, and that’s a whole different ball game. Mike is great, maybe even as great, but he’s not better than LeBron

[@Va11idus]

​@@lemonlime3688 what a dumb take... Obviously playing in an era focused on 3s is going to make you better at 3s. Are you high?

[@nickgrennan1164]

I feel like that's a perfect way to explain cause usually when someone's comparing the 2 for who's goat they back their opinion with from a fan stand point and usually follow it with talking trash bout the other which is ridiculous. First of all when comparing the 2 you need to look at it from a realistic stat/fact based outlook not as a a fan and should never take anything away from the other players greatness because in all honesty they're both goats in there own unique ways!

[@fitzroy6970]

SMH,first of only one goat can exist,secondly comparing then using stats is foolish since there are problems with just using stats,the best way to compare 2 players is by watching what each player DID,the final results and the time frame in which they did it and what they accomplish in said time frame,if you take Lebrons 1st 10yrs and Jordan’s 10yrs and compare u will see they are not even in the same universe,add lebrons other 10yrs and the results remain the same

[@fredtacang3624]

This will be another bird-magic thing, the rivalry that actually saved the league in the first place Nba will milk this mj-bron 'rivalry' for all the revenues and mileage it can bring the league

[@fredm.9031]

This generation is delusional. This isn’t even a debate and is almost disrespectful. Even with all the rule changes to pave his way Lebron still isn’t nowhere near the player MJ was. He’s just played a long time.