The Entire History Of NBA GOAT Debate, i guess

[@Marshall1q.]

alright so we forgetting Thanasis Antetokounmpo the player who really changed the game

[@futsaltm.v]

You mean Giannis

[@taylorsilver2566]

OK jokes aside, if Thanasis doesn't come to Milwaukee with Giannis, he doesn't come over from Greece at all. Giannis was happy in Greece and had no reason to move without family.

[@beminem]

@@futsaltm.vit’s a joke because thanasis is a scrub

[@Andrew-cn7zy]

@@beminemyea but in the buck’s last 10 games thanasis has a better box score than jordan kareem kobe shaq wilt and bird combined

[@sndchamp9949]

I wish bro just stayed in the G league he’d get wayyyyyy mess hate

[@createcraftdestroy6942]

i feel like he’s been edging us with that Wilt 100 Pt vid since the ABA-NBA merger💀

[@Tbougie67]

Fax bro😂😂😂

[@ModernTwoThree]

SOON

[@soundarchitecture10]

Pause

[@JOHNBROWN-fp4gn]

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[@geordiejones5618]

One thing about Wilt, on top of being a perfect foil for Russell and the Celtics, there was a time where people showed up to Wilt's games just to cheer against him. He might have been the first "love to hate him" major athlete and he's much less arrogant than all the others in that category. Him and Russell would stay at each other's moms houses when they played each other too. Their friendship, rivalry, falling out and reconciliation is so crucial to NBA lore. When they were gone the vacuum almost killed the NBA, only to be saved by Magic, Bird and Jordan.

[@ruzgar1372]

They literally built the strongest team ever to stop Lebron and even failed once. Let that sink in.

[@nicolasm.3708]

What a joke 😂…

[@yeezet4592]

The lost their fourth game on purpose so they could celebrate at home. Same as the Celtics this year. The cavs weren't even competitive that series compared to the rockets

[@melloBound]

That kid turned out to be jeremy lin 😭😭😭

[@Tbougie67]

I’m weak😭😂

[@ModernTwoThree]

It did

[@kookiehughes8940]

Crazy how all the way up until 1984 the GOAT was always a Celtic or Laker

[@PistonsBigBen3]

Ye

[@shaneisninja]

Not that crazy. They're the 2 most accomplished basketball teams for a reason. Sports in their infancy is rough to gain attraction and talent. They face a lot of failures. Look at the UFC right now. 30 years in, you ask someone who the real goat is, they say JBJ or GSP. Other answers like Silva, DJ, and Khabib are respected but the conversation leads back to two sides for a majority.

[@YakDPOY]

Not remotely crazy, it's been known for ages now

[@dane9398]

and even crazier is how its still a laker

[@andrewarnold9751]

Up until about 1993. MJ wasn’t really in the conversation until his first three-peat.

[@lonk7629]

Khris Middleton, Jordan, Gianni’s, lebron

[@ModernTwoThree]

Jordan sneak

[@Marshall1q.]

bro wheres thanasis

[@politepupper111]

gianni's the kumpo

[@luckifan401]

bro snuck in mj and lebron

[@How23497]

Bro tried to sneak in MJ

[@lukeshaffer9316]

There’s a certain stat you’re leaving out of Chamberlain’s career: 20,000

[@cantpleasonist]

15:27 Magic won 5 in the 80s.

[@kilometer212]

yall dont fw twothree vids like i do

[@ModernTwoThree]

I dont

[@mogus581]

not like me tho

[@Titaniam4]

modern jam

[@rob_008_4]

Not true he’s my pookie fr

[@SkylineR33mt]

I liked this comment but felt bad coz I was like #24

[@Evan_Mobley_is_the_GOAT]

Bob Pettit was the first mvp

[@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk]

Fr?

[@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk]

Well Mikan was NBL (nba before merger) mvp. And “lost mvp” in 1949-50 look it up.

[@Evan_Mobley_is_the_GOAT]

@@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk I didn’t know that

[@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk]

@@Evan_Mobley_is_the_GOAT now you know

[@cratwinterz200]

3:14 I wasn’t going to ‘um actually’ but you said something else I want to comment on, so you get this as well. Mikan was not around the beginnings of professional basketball. Professional basketball has about 50 years of pre-NBA history, and guys like Bobby McDermott, Leroy Edwards, and Hank Luisetti we’re all called the GOAT pre-Mikan. Mikan just started his career a little before the NBA formed. The reason for the comment though is to point out: Mikan never won an MVP. The leagues first went to Bob Pettit, and while Mikan did play in the 56 season, he only played about half of it before returning to retirement.

[@victoraiyanyor8676]

Check it in google

[@Damielz]

You both did a great job. Great video

[@sinkohhdemayo8710]

Wow we gonna skip over Kwame brown and Yao Ming smh

[@kennethxu1789]

yao disrespect is crazy bro locked up shaq

[@tObito687]

is yao really seen as a scrub? i've always thought of him as a good big. even though he could abuse his height he still had a sweet mid range shot in his arsenal. good all around player

[@ModernTwoThree]

Respect kwame

[@jit1709]

me realizing this vid is essentially his top 10 of all time prolly

[@ModernTwoThree]

Eh kinda but not really

[@jit1709]

@@ModernTwoThree nah tho ik rankings prolly isn’t rly ur thing but i love to see a vid of ur top 10 or 15 greatest players of all time

[@tpsam]

​@@jit1709missing Hakeem and this is my top 10 with obviously mj as goat etc

[@jit1709]

@@tpsam i got hakeem 9-11 range like him bill wilt with not in order 12-15 dirk drj wade west behind em

[@Stealthbanana58]

What a great video!

[@cadelmao]

damn this made me respect the older generations, great video as always

[@getinmyrizla5999]

Good vid bro

[@ModernTwoThree]

Thanks dude

[@KariConn-v3d]

You hit the nail on the head with Kobe. I'm actually starting to see why some people like Kobe so much. I was always a huge Shaq fan growing up (who had a much higher peak than Kobe imo) and so I had some resentment towards Kobe and never considered him to be like THAT; ballhoggy, inefficient, usually came up short in the clutch, gambled on defense; but he did have a certain swagger to him that I think appeals to a certain personality type. Perhaps a part of all of us that is admirable that has grown on me. And his work ethic is hard not to admire.

[@monkeyman1437]

3:50 you forgot to mention that George Mikan also instituted the 3 pointer in the ABA which later became part of the NBA.

[@EliRowell9]

Two three might be my new nba KZbinr jxmyhighroller don’t have the good upload schedule

[@ModernTwoThree]

Damn thanks he’s a legend tho

[@waka_6464]

Stop edging the wilt video brah

[@YakDPOY]

Same Jxmy's vidoes there someone getting all in their feelings about the guy, I feel like TwoThree is straight, just sayin

[@richborn6700]

Jxmy always looking for a reason to but out a graph. Feels like I'm in math class every time ​@@YakDPOY

[@Axzide]

jxmy has zero ball knowledgev

[@MTNBAR]

I was told 3 different videos would be the next video in this one

[@ModernTwoThree]

Bird is next. Wilt is soon

[@nickhueper2906]

1:40 “Minion-anapolis” 😂

[@HalLeath]

I just watched a new highlight reel of Lebron! He is now my personal G.O.A.T.

[@mjboi3100]

you get better every time you post

[@ModernTwoThree]

Thanks bro

[@ruminator3570]

Back in the days with Bill Russell when Havelchik stole the ball he had just made an error that almost cost them the game. He said please can somebody get these goat horns off my head. So at that time the word goat meant villain. In old times a picture of a goat head was often, granted erroneously, associated with the devil. Now the acronym goat is associated with the highest good. Times change.

[@colbyforfun8028]

10 of the 12 players on here played and won championships for either Boston or LA

[@gasron1]

banger of a vid

[@gonzo_8]

Kendrick Perkins

[@ModernTwoThree]

Goat

[@FOWBOWZ]

In my mind, I'd love to see Giannis or Anthony Edwards in the future goat debate, maybe even Wemby. I always wonder what my child (if they get into basketball as a fan) goat would be.

[@savidcaralho]

Anthony Edwards won't even sniff this conversation lmao

[@EricLonghini]

New two three post, right hand putting up wilt in the bedroom numbers

[@ModernTwoThree]

Yessirrr. Pause but let’s gooo

[@Bilious303]

Its wild how a player can say "at the end of the day, its just basketball" while getting bounced out of the first round...and people will call that person the greatest...standards are so low now its sad

[@bealu9459]

mikan also hold the recor for biggest porcentage of points from a team with 16/18

[@nootnoot9810]

Great video but it drives me fucking nuts how you put an extra syllable in Minneapolis

[@ModernTwoThree]

Lol thanks I’ll work on my Minneapolis pronunciation

[@garcia_domi]

18:33 So shaq was drafted in 1984? but great video 👍

[@FOWBOWZ]

My grandpa would say Bill Russell, rest in peace, and my father would say Michael Jordan, but in my lifetime it's LeBron.

[@ModernTwoThree]

All fair

[@KariConn-v3d]

So many people call Shaq the "Most Dominant Ever" because he was virtually unstoppable at one time at his peak, then those same people knock Lebron for his longevity and say that MJ is the GOAT because his peak was higher (I disagree). Either way, if we're going by peak; it's Shaq. If longevity; it's Lebron. If it's a combination; it's still Lebron imo.

[@anakinskywalker7462]

This is how how i see it so Bill was the goat of his time then Wilt then Magic and Bird then MJ then Kobe then Lebron of there own eras and what they did for the game of basketball yeah i know there are many greats like Tim hakeem olajuwon and many more but the point is that's how i see the goat Debate is

[@LoganNagol]

Wilt and Bill played in the same time. To me the GOATs went from Bill, then Kareem, then Magic/Bird, then MJ, then Lebron.

[@PrinceTalonSabre]

Worth mentioning Wilt averaged more than 48 minutes a game in a season Also, playing against plumbers sounds more impressive than playing against streamers with 0 context. Plumbing is more physically demanding than streaming; the 40s must've had some jacked players 😂

[@tObito687]

an underrated part of those 48 minutes per game is that the refs called offensive fouls like they got a bonus for every one. the fact that a guy as big and strong as wilt didnt foul out almost ever in that era is impressive in itself. people put wilt and shaq in the same conversation for physical dominance but wilt had to play with a lot more finesse than shaq did.

[@ModernTwoThree]

Lol facts

[@combatvetusa]

Michael Black Jesus Air Jeffrey Jordan. Huh, that wasn’t hard at all. You’re welcome! 👍🏽

[@gengytoad2933]

Come back to this vid in 20 years when Wemby is the certified goat

[@SuperSikarlo]

People putting Kobe in the goat debate is always hilarious.

[@SilentMovements305]

People putting lebron in the goat debate is laughable n shows the naive n gullible mindset of the fans.

[@BlackJack32.]

@@SilentMovements305 kobe not top 3 foh

[@seriusblack4171]

Tbh the only reason Kobe is in the goat debate is because of his untimely passing! Anything other than that is completely foolish! He literally is Mike 2.0, besides the 81, he literally did nothing too different from Mike! So top 5-10 absolutely! Top 3, respectfully nah!

[@0vern9K]

He’s been in the goat debate it’s you ppl that started watching basketball in 2015 they think they know shi when you look clueless to any Long time nba fan

[@0vern9K]

@@BlackJack32.better then bron. 4 chips in 20 seasons. Most of them literally picking his team, teammates, and now even coaches

[@dionysise5008]

Actually there wasn't a goat discussion until the 90s. I remember people arguing whether Bird, Magic or the upcoming MJ was the best player on earth but I never heard about the goat title until MJs second threepit

[@KariConn-v3d]

Yeah... I'm pretty sure that the whole "GOAT" term was coined fairly recently with the rise of social media. I remember debating with my fellow highschoolers that Shaq was better than MJ during his early 2000s dominance, even though it seemed like it was less dependent on Championships back then. A lot of people tried to argue that AI was the best.

[@SprinkerMC]

What about Smush parker??? He literally combined with some random for 94 points I have rarely seen that before so immediate goat

[@82and0]

Bob Pettit was in the goat conversation in 1958. I know this from audio of the games of him in 1958. They were calling Pettit a the greatest. Also mikan didn't play fireman he was great

[@Soyo_Nagasaki07]

Jordan was in the conversation coz he was the only one who have a perfect finals record with no Game7, while having only Pippen who averaged 16 as his 2nd option...MJ also was the only one who have a two 3 peats in history. Kobe was also in the conversation coz he was the only one in all of the Top10 greatest players to have 2 back to back rings with no any help from allstars & Top75 players, unlike Magic, Bird, Russell, Duncan, Curry, Lebron, & Kareem who all have their Superteams. He also have a 3 peat like MJ, & with only Shaq as his 1st or 2nd option, like if Lebron won 3 peat with only AD as his 1st or 2nd option. I don't know why LeBalco was in the conversation. He only have 3 questionable rings with 3 Superteams, being the most to have a number of helps from many allstars & Top75 players. He also was the only player to team hop everytime to join with other greats, while still losing 6 times in the finals, which is the most in Top 10 greatest history. He also was the only great to have a disaster losing finals record, compared to any of all the greatest to do it all.

[@bigmacwithnomac3447]

w vid

[@ModernTwoThree]

W comment

[@Goldman_AWO]

Like you said nobody can decide who the GOAT is since every person looks at the game differently... for me it will always be Kobe that he proved that after being in the shadow of shaq he can still win the championship even without star players around him and his work ethic is something to inspires me to this day in any aspect of life but I think you forgot 1 player in this video ... maybe not the most stats filler there is but one of the greatest to ever play ... Jerry West ... there is a reason why he was chosen to be the NBA logo till this day

[@82and0]

Hope you realise the audio of wilts 100 point game exists

[@alifherrfian7183]

MJ - Peak GOAT Lebron - Longevity GOAT Kobe - People’s GOAT

[@prvb888]

MJ - Peak GOAT Lebron - Longevity GOAT Thanasis - People's GOAT

[@moneyman4740]

Jordan is the people’s GOAT , only people saying that about Kobe is youngins cuz he died , nobody was calling Kobe the GOAT pre 2020 , Jordan and Bron are still universally ranked over Kobe

[@thedargon6899]

@@moneyman4740except for the Jordan Stan’s that say Lebron isn’t top 3 and bron riders that say Jordan isn’t top 3

[@moneyman4740]

@@thedargon6899 yea those are pure haters , both are in the top 2 and i dont think its arguable as far as the 2 best , it just gets rocky for that #1 spot , i got MJ as the GOAT but Bron has a great case

[@moneyman4740]

@@thedargon6899 yea those are pure haters , both are in the top 2 and i dont think its arguable as far as the 2 best , it just gets rocky for that #1 spot , i got MJ as the GOAT but Bron has a great case

[@Prizm17]

9:00 it’s actually 3 words one of them is a compound word 💀

[@OO-ff4ek]

That’s all cool, but I figured out what team you are a fan of 🤣 😂

[@bealu9459]

kobe was also super big on china and a lover for football being friends with dinho and even messi

[@TipsTricksandTalents]

Sad no mention of the actual GOAT Brian Scalabrine the Red Mamba.

[@outpostbc4470]

I’ve watched about 30 seconds Vince carter and Steve Nash better be in here

[@Jouraxe]

Got to talk about Steph and Hakeem

[@yeezet4592]

No really.

[@katify8920]

Bro didn’t talk about Steph?

[@tpsam]

Literally not in the goat argument Welcome to the real history of basketball If he isn't better than LeBron how can he be in this timeline

[@katify8920]

⁠@@tpsamneither is Tim Duncan or shaq but he still talked about them 🤦‍♂️

[@wedoinit5392]

@@tpsamby that logic this video shouldn’t have anybody but MJ and LeBron

[@PistonsBigBen3]

25:09 he shoulda won that mvp

[@shaneisninja]

If im trying to think objectively, I choose Jordan. But Kobe is my personal goat. Rest easy man.

[@Polotiac]

Kobe in a goat debate 😂😂😂😂😂

[@valleyshrew]

You have to factor in that there were only 8-9 teams in the league in the 60s. So winning a championship then is worth at best 1/3rd of what it is now. Curry's 4 rings defeated more total teams than Russell's 11. The rules also make it much harder to repeat championships now so Jokic, Giannis, Tatum are being heavily under-rated. They're all way better than Wilt, Russell or Kareem. Maybe Magic & Bird start to compete with them on a GOAT list. Kareem only won 1-2 championships as the best player on his team, he got carried by Magic for the others.

[@rackball5858]

Kareem was carried in 87 & 88. Won Fmvp in 85 & was still considered a top 5 player at 38. Magic didn’t carry Kareem in 80. Kareem was mvp & was shafted out of finals mvp because of Magic’s game 6 performance. 82 they were both elite players.

[@samancegroupfinancials363]

What I do not undrestand is why LeBron gets all the credit for 2016 ring? WHO WAS THE GUY MADE THE FINAL SHOT WHICH LED TO CAVS CHAMPIONSHIP? Kyrie Irving!!

[@deadlylightningspirit4295]

Because he’s far better than kyrie. It’s not even close. Although casuals look at who took the last shot and base their entire opinion on that one shot

[@littyagain9402]

one shot dont make you more valuable it wasnt even the game winner… bron averaged like a 30 point triple double with 2stl and 2blk, just straighted dominated the last few games

[@GeorgiaDawgsLife]

Are you saying Steve Kerr and not Micheal Jordan was responable for the chip in 97'?

[@RandomGuywithdog]

Nah people slightly earliest than me by about 7/8 minutes saying w vid who obviously haven’t finished the vid, prob good tho

[@ModernTwoThree]

Maybe they watched it in 60x

[@RandomGuywithdog]

@@ModernTwoThree real

[@ruminator3570]

Forget The Big Fundamental. It's Tim the Freaking Demon Deacon Duncan.

[@ModernTwoThree]

Never heard that one might steal it

[@ruminator3570]

@@ModernTwoThree It's copyrighted. 😝

[@BlueiayYT]

If Tacko played in the 60s then he would be rivaling Wilt and Bill Russell

[@ModernTwoThree]

Fair lol

[@BlueiayYT]

@@ModernTwoThree A 7’6 310 pound guy would dominate i an era where all you needed was size

[@PistonsBigBen3]

27:58 But he still lost the game😕

[@WhelmedButReady]

Don't let all of this stop you from remembering that Patrick McCaw went 3/3 on Chips in his first 3 years in the league. #TheRealGOAT

[@dreivsall]

MJ is every NBA player's GOAT

[@ClappedBacon]

Not brandon miller's goat

[@rob.parsnips]

You should look at the Athletic’s player poll

[@LoganNagol]

I feel like you really oversimplified what made Bill Russell great

[@Only1Originals]

Where was Dr J? The face of the league in the late 70s going into the 80s

[@witness2.512]

So tired of hearing the BS "LeBron can play and guard all 5 positions"... based on like 1-2 highlights against Duncan & Gasol, shown a million times a piece. "Court vision second to none"?... Not even when compared to Magic, the person who proved he could truly play and guard all 5 positions, for an entire game, at the highest level. Or Larry Bird? Please remind me of the time any of those other GOAT candidates ever quit on their team during the NBA Finals, and moped at the end of the bench. Or used fake injury excuses, while simultaneously saying he didn't tell anyone about it at first because he didn't want to do just that? Putting LeBron right up there with Mike, and leap-frogging all those other candidates is the biggest fraud ever. I have 7th, and sometimes feel I'm being too generous.

[@dionysise5008]

I'm watching since 1986. I never saw a player more dominant, effective and all around than 2013-2018 LeBron

[@freshisyk3836]

Wow I can’t believe twothree thinks Patrick Beverly is the GOAT

[@ModernTwoThree]

Do you not?

[@jit1709]

i dont like engaging with this debate bc certain bias ppl just ruin it

[@ModernTwoThree]

Yeah just for fun

[@ajsmh1312]

The disrespect for not having my goats Jimmy butler and Jamie Jaquez jr 😡😡😡😡😡

[@ModernTwoThree]

They were too good to include

[@zoeboytipap]

Will he respond to my comment? Btw how is igoudala not on this list

[@ModernTwoThree]

Yes and too good

[@hoppy23]

Nba goat debate is dumb... top 5 debate is evens dumber and top 10 is a fucking joke

[@HighStakesBBall]

If you're old enough to witness multiple generations of NBA there is no question who the goat is, and it's not bias. And it's not lebron, I'll leave it at that.

[@ModernTwoThree]

Yeah it’s Norris Cole

[@1byaz]

Where’s Ben Simmons?

[@ModernTwoThree]

Too good to include

[@JaamiLowe]

U CAN'T HAVE A GOAT PLAYER IN A TEAM SPORT CAUSE THERE'S NO ONE PLAYER SCORES ALL THE POINTS GRABS ALL REBOUNDS ASSIST BLOCKS AND STEALS BY THEMSELVES AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID U WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO RATE THE GREATNESS OF A PLAYER BY BASKETBALLS OBJECTIVE NOT REGULAR SEASON MVPS OR FINALS MVPS BECAUSE WE HAVE WITNESSED THE VOTERS GET IT WRONG TO MANY TIMES LIKE LEBRON WINNING ANY REGULAR SEASON MVPS WHILE PLAYING WITH THE HEAT. SO I CAN ONLY RATE A PLAYERS GREATNESS BY THE OBJECTIVE OF THE SPORT AND THAT IS TO SCORE THE BALL AND THEN DEFEND THE BALL AND SINCE THAT'S THE OBJECTIVE U MUST ASK WHAT PLAYER HAVE DOMINATED ON A ELITE LEVEL ON BOTH ENDS OF THE BALL AND KOBE AND JORDAN IS THE ONLY PLAYERS THAT I KNOW DID THAT FOR AT LEAST A DECADE IF WE WERE TO ADD STATS KOBE HAS THE MOST POINTS AT HIS POSITION ALL-TIME KOBE HAS THE MOST DEFENSIVE SELECTIONS AT HIS POSITION ALL-TIME KOBE HAS THE MOST FIRST TEAM ALL PRO SELECTION AT HIS POSITION ALL-TIME. NOT TO MENTION HE DOMINATED A DECADE IN WHICH HE SCORED THE MOST POINTS AND POINTS PER GAME IN A DECADE FROM 2000-2010. HE SCORED 21,000 POINTS AND AVERAGED 28.8 IN THAT DECADE. SO STOP DISRESPECTING KOBE

[@Z1-Kramer]

Aight I’m the goat now in 2k25

[@janek2492]

what about Naz Reid ????

[@ModernTwoThree]

I forgot

[@asianKargador]

JORDAN ALL THE WAY HE'S JUST DIFFERENT

[@ModernTwoThree]

Fair

[@lilhazzze]

3:09 no bob pettit won mvp in 1956

[@PistonsBigBen3]

Post the truth about the 100 point game

[@jolte4]

The goat of basketball is twothree

[@ModernTwoThree]

Nah it’s jolte4

[@sylk8998]

yeah this script is half written by ai jesus christ so obvious

[@samancegroupfinancials363]

It is set, over 70 percent of all votes goes to MJ! what is it mean if not the GOAT!

[@michaelberenato911]

Kobe's the man.

[@liamgonen]

Idc my goat is Alex Caruso... you're just plain wrong 💯

[@ModernTwoThree]

He is the goat

[@Treeko55]

John Stockton is the best passer...

[@Treeko55]

And Luka is tall and can pass... Not just Simmons

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

HE TOP 30 ALL TIME: 1. Michael Jordan - the greatest player and the greatest career in NBA history. Most dominant offensive force and one of the games best defenders. 6x Champ 6x FMVP 5x MVP 2. Bill Russell - the greatest winner and greatest defensive force in NBA and sports history. A legend on/off court. The key to NBA first dynasty. 11x Champ 5x FMVP 5x MVP 3. Magic Johnson - the great PG ever (so far…). REVOLUTIONIZED his position and saved the NBA. 5x Champ 3x FMVP 3xMVP 4. LeBron James - the greatest longevity in sports history. One of the most dominant forces ever and top5 all round player. Still.. counting. 4x Champ 4x FMVP 4x MVP 5. Tim Duncan - best PF ever. One of the most fundamentally sound players ever. Played both ends at the highest level for 15 seasons. 5x Champ 3x FMVP 2x MVP 6. Kareem Abdul Jabar - owner of the most dominant go-to move on offense. The HOOK. The previous scoring leader and lead all points for 4 decades. The greatest BASKETBALL career ever. Prep to Pro. 6x Champ 2x FMVP 6x MVP 7. Kobe Bryant - see number 1 and dilute the athleticism and physical intangibles and that’s what you got. Arguably the greatest warrior in NBA history. 5x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP 8. Shaquille O’Neal - the most dominant ever. The immovable object/unstoppable force. Shaq was the definition of dominance. 4x Champ 3x FMVP 1x MVP 9. Larry Bird - maybe the most legendary on the list. Precursor to Jokic but better. One of the most skilled & clutch players ever. In any sport. 3x Champ 2x FMVP 3x MVP 10. Hakeem Olajuwon - back to back. The best of the mid90’s and second best player in the era. Hakeem is like Russell but with AllNBA offensive ability. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP 11. Wilt Chamberlain - the games most prolific scorers. Arguably it’s greatest defender as well. The man could do it all. Even lead the league in assist at 7”2. Wilt IS unparalleled. GOAT athlete. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 3x MVP 12. Steph Curry - the games most prolific shooter and one of its greatest scorers. REVOLUTIONIZED the game forever. STILL GOING. 4x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP 13. Isaiah Thomas - ZEKE. CP3 before CP3 but nastier and meaner. A warrior and one of the games greatest strategist and generals. Quietly a top5 passer. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 14. Oscar Robertson - the greatest all around basketball player ever. Could do everything at a AllNBA level. Changed the way players were interpreted and influenced generations. 1x Champ 2x MVP 15. Kevin Durant - the Slim Reaper is likely the most ideal offensive weapon ever. Can hit from anywhere, anytime over anyone. Hard to beat and impossible to match that level of offensive dominance. 2x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP 16. Julius Erving - The good Dr., the FIRST MJ (before Magic & Jordan), The icon and face of BOTH leagues that saved the game in the 70’s. Kareem was the best but Doc was a close 2nd. Underrated statistical brilliance. Was like a 6’7-6’8 Giannis but with a better jump shot. 3x Champ (1 NBA) 2x FMVP 4x MVP (1 NBA) 17.. Moses Malone - CHAIRMAN OF DA BOARDS. Arguably the best board getter… ever. Only Wilt, Russell, Rodman and Thurmond belong in the same discussion. Moses lead his people to the promise land more than once but was able to claim immortality in the early 80’s. His team lead by the dynamic duo of he and Doc dominated the league. Before Lakers v. Celtics it was 76ers v. Celtics-Lakers. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 3xMVP 18. John Havlicek - the GREAT one. MJ is 6-0. Ole Johnny is 8-0. The offensive force off the bench or starting that lead the dynastic Celtics to all 8. Early in his career he was akin to Jordan Poole role on Warriors 22’ team but better at everything but the 3 ball. Then in the late 60’s-70’s he sat in captains seat. His career is a unique mix. Played like Pippen with elite perimeter shooting/scoring, early career was early Kobe-esque, late career MJ/Kobe-esque. John’s game rose in the playoffs. 8x Champ 1x FMVP (likely 4x) 19. Giannis Antetokounmpo - it’s getting freaky… GreekMan is literally on the ride to potentially threatening Tim’s best PF title. If he can add a couple more rings to his already HOF profile he will likely be the new PF or TOP 5 player. Yea. THAT GOOD. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP 1x DPOY 20. Jerry West - The LOGO. Steph Curry before Steph. The man that built the LA franchise along Baylor post Mikan era. Jerry West was the blueprint skill base for players like Kobe, MJ, TMac, etc At 6’2-6’3 he torched his opponents his entire career and dropped plenty of dimes. The ORIGINAL combo guard. So damn great he LOST and still won FMVP… case closed. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 21. Nikola Jokic - the Joker is no damn joke. Genuinely a candidate for potential GOAT if his career pans out in the extreme positive like that of the top 10. Jokic is in a unique place being the greatest passing big statically NBA history (excluding Magic). If Jokic finds a way to fit more jewelry in his fingers, we might have to have a real discussion about that greatest Center of all time discussion. Yes. Potentially a top 5 player alert. 1x MVP 1x FMVP 3x MVP (should’ve been 3 consecutive but you know 22. Rick Barry - The ACTUAL “White Mamba”. Just predated the black one… Barry was the answer up until 85’ when you asked who the best SF ever. His game was similar to West but 6’7 and a better FT%. Controversial, cerebral and iconic. Had so much game he had to share what was left with his sons… 1x Champ 1x FMVP 23. Kevin Garnett - The Big Ticket. The 00’ Giannis. In every way but he had a better jumper midrange and beyond. KG was a monstrosity on OFF/DEF in his prime much like his modern comparison. Led the TWolves to relevance and led the 08’ Celtics to a chip. Truly the BIG TICKET. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 1x MVP 24. Dirk Nowitzki - DIGGLER. The one and only. The German Bird. THE Maverick. Dirk is one of the most beloved, iconic and acclaimed players ever. The 00’s stretch big supreme. Dirk was able to take the Mavs to immortality over 11’ Heat in arguably the most surprising run ever. Only Dirk. Forever the DIGGLER. Arguably, the GOAT Euro player. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 1x MVP 25. Bob Pettit - Big Blue was the first stretch 4 in the games history. That’s for starters. Pettit was a tenacious rebounder and highly skilled scorer. He was much akin to K. Love of his era but in better shape and played defense. Think a smaller Dirk who grabbed boards like Love but in the 50’s-60’s era. Not only that, much like Dirk, Pettit lead a historic upset over Russell’s Celtics. A true champ. 1x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP 26. Dwayne Wade - The Flash. Wade County. The greatest Heat in NBA history. Wade is arguably the best defensive player at his position and easily too3 (MJ, Kobe). Led the Heat to a title in 06’ in historic fashion against Dirks Mavs. Then winning a couple more as LBJ’s Pippen. His career was like Kobe’s… in reverse. Wade’s early injuries reduced his maximum career output but yet here he is… says a ton. 3x Champ 1x FMVP 27. Elgin Baylor - The PROTOTYPE. Before West, Julius, Thompson, Wilkins, MJ, Hardaway, Kobe, Carter, TMac, Wade, Ant etc There was Elgin Baylor. The first Air, the first Mamba, the first Half Man/Amazing, Flash etc Baylor spearheaded an era that hardly wanted his talents there but had no other choice but to be in awe of it. Think Harden, in shape but not as good of a playmaker, twice the rebounder and a better defender. That’s Elgin. *left a season before historic LAL title win 28. David Robinson - The Admiral. The USA’s biggest weapon in the 90’s was also one of the greatest ever. Made the spurs relevant pre-Duncan and post. Has some of the greatest seasons statistically. Think Giannis but 7’2 with a lefty and 15 footer plus an even better defender. 2x Champ 1x MVP 29. Karl Malone - the Mailman was LBJ minus the handles and vision. King of the pick n roll. 1x MVP 30. Charles Barkley - The Round Mound of Rebound was the Tasmanian devil in a basketball jersey. Prime 25 5 13 guy. Impact everywhere he went. OG DREAMTEAM member by the way… 1x MVP 30 (?) Clyde Drexler - The Glide. One of the most useful all around talents in nba history. One of the greatest two way players ever. Helped every squad he went to become a contender. 1x Champ * HONORABLE MENTION: McHale, Nash, Harden, Parker, CP3, Stockton, Walton, Payton, Westbrook, Drexler, Ewing, Sam Jones, Cousy, Pierce, Iverson, McAdoo, Frazier, Unsled, Reed, Webber, English, A. Davis ^GIVE HONEST FEEDBACK CRITIQUE ATTEMPTING A PERFECT TOP30 list

[@chuy6047]

Bron at 4 is crazyy he top 2 and he ain’t 2😂

[@thedargon6899]

Not looking after Lebron at 4. That’s unreal levels of hate

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

@@thedargon6899 hate? You’re emotional… what’s your argument

[@thedargon6899]

@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154 all time scorer, 8 straight finals, 4 finals MVPs, 2013 season, 2018 postseason run, most playoff buzzer beaters oat, 3-1, competed in a much harder era than other all time greats, all nba teams, all stars, 4 MVPs one of which came with the second highest per oat, Cavs team record went from 60 wins to 19 when he left, didn’t play with another top 20 player all time to get his rings unlike magic 3/5 fmvps speaks for itself, didn’t have a team of hofers in a low team nba like Russell. Only one here who has argument against him is Jordan. I think bron is the goat but I’m not irrational and gonna pretend Jordan isn’t right there w him unlike u who pretends lebron isn’t right there w Jordan

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

@@thedargon6899 you’re deeply biased as that’s ok. Just makes for a poor argument. Jordan is statically, commercially and historically the better player. There’s no argument for LBJ over him. LBJ is in a weaker league with more teams, easier rules, better pay & playing conditions whilst having less career success overall despite playing 6 more seasons… Russell played in the roughest era of the modern time. Not only that, he led a dynasty over talents like Wilt, Robertson, Dolph, West, Thurmond, Baylor, Guerrin, Beaty, Reed, Bellamy, etc etc for a decade plus. The greatest defensive force in sports history and at worst a competent offensive weapon. LBJ played with AD, Wade, Love, Irving, Bosh, and an onslaught of great role players. Two of his best teammates are top20 but one definitely is in DWade. Magic played with Kareem… who had a whopping total of 1 ring prior to Magics arrival… greatest playmaker/passer ever and could play any position. If not for and HIV he’s likely the goat. LBJ is an ALLTIME great but to say he’s higher than those three is a reach. However his story isn’t over, so there’s room for climbing the list still.

[@mohammedhussein-m1l]

what about mj...micheal jackson??

[@ebc817]

where naz reid?

[@ModernTwoThree]

Forgor

[@L.internet8]

60th man of the year

[@styzrr]

least obvious knicks fan

[@styzrr]

also ur consistent posting W content you honestly deserve like 5x the amt of subs u have

[@rob_008_4]

I love you twopookiesandme

[@ModernTwoThree]

Love u rob

[@bealu9459]

what about the future, id say wemby

[@eltigre687]

If wilt tried he would be the goat no argument

[@bealu9459]

shoudnt dr j and moses get a mention tho

[@arrowkeys2787]

I was thinking about hakeem

[@yeezet4592]

Yes. We forgetting the ABA here hard

[@tss9793]

Where’s Julius Randal

[@ModernTwoThree]

1st all time