The Errors of Sedevacantism

[@ironymatt]

When in doubt, look to what Our Lord sanctioned. No matter what anyone says to the contrary, He gave His authority to Peter, and by extension his successors. "Whoever hears you hears me, and whoever rejects you rejects me" - paraphrased, I don't recall off the top of my head the chapter and verse, but this and others when considered as a whole make it pretty clear what Jesus meant, so when the attacks come, as they have been for 2000 years, don't be deceived.

[@deusvult2302]

That didn't save the pope from heresy!

[@ironymatt]

@@deusvult2302 as you judge, so shall you be judged. Are you sure you know what you're talking about when you accuse someone who I very much doubt you've ever even met of something as serious as heresy? You aren't impressing anyone with your anonymous online denunciation, so for the sake of your own soul pump the brakes, ok?

[@nielsoconnel5136]

Exactly, that's why the Pope CAN'T be an heretic, and it's not the only verse that could add a layer to your point, however, the actual said "pope" IS heretic. Thus, he can't be the pope Now remember the saints are still living through beatific vision, and guess what, Pie XII, the last true pope, might be a saint Now you know that's just a hypothesis after all, I can say that I often doubt about my position, but I'd be doubting way more if I was endorsing VII and it's said popes

[@admaioremdeigloriam2466]

@@nielsoconnel5136 Assuming you're sedevacantist, there's nothing to doubt, my friend. Sedevacantism may, most certainly, lead one into *mystery* (that is, we won't necessarily be able to understand how something is possible. Think, ordinary jursidiction, visibility, etc.), but it will never lead us into ERROR, as it is founded on Catholic theological principles. In that sense, sedevacantism is entirely *theologically safe* . Even if we were to be wrong, we don't (at least you should not) hold the position out of ill will, and thus cannot be classified as schismatics just as those who objectively sided with the wrong pope during the Great Western Schism could not be called schismatics either (for, though they were objectively wrong in believing a claimant to be pope, they did not hold their position out of an ill desire of resisting lawful authority). Moreover, if Vatican II really is orthodox, and the conciliar hierarchy and popes are not modernists, but actually Catholic, given their whole theology on the salvation of those in false sects, remarks such as Francis to the atheist man's son, etc. can we really expect damnation should we be objectively wrong in our rejection of the post-conciliar sect given that we accept the whole of Catholic teaching, and *for that reason* reject the post-conciliar sect? It is for this reason that my conscience is clear and I am confident in sedevacantism. God Bless you, my friend.

[@kylerobinson5633]

From the way the pope says mass to the satanic symbols and pillers where he says mass from it is more than obvious he is not a true Catholic pope. The church has been infiltrated and has been for a long time.

[@Sean-lv6fx]

Sedevacantists and many traditionalist Catholics remind me of rabbinic Jews quite a lot. Meaning they both miss the fundamental importance of their respective liturgies/traditions, in that they both foreshadow greater realities. Jews don't recognize that Yom Kippur was merely a foreshadowing of the crucifixion of Christ, and sedevacantists seem to be blind to the fact that the Mass is merely a foreshadowing of the beatific vision. Sedevacantists mock the Novus Ordo Mass where valid consecration of the Eucharist takes place; Matthew23:17 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the sanctuary that has made the gold sacred? Without the Mass and the act of consecration the bread and wine would remain just bread and wine, it is the Mass that the sedevacantists mock that makes the gold/bread sacred. Christ calls the Pharisees blind fools for having a similar attitude.

[@josephreagan9545]

When they say that Communion in the hand is wrong (not just irreverent as some people claim but seriously wrong and that it is better not to received communion at all if you have to receive it in the hand) they remind me of the Pharisees who said Jesus was wrong to heal a man on the Sabbath.

[@g.weg.3723]

@@unam9931 Bellarmine taught that Jews and Muslims worship the same God as us. I think John Smith's argument is somewhat flawed (as many Novus Ordo attending Catholics also miss the point) but he does have some degree of a point. Many trads seem to have no supernatural faith, instead preferring sensationalism.

[@mariolimbaga5427]

@@g.weg.3723 Pope Bellarmine never said that for Jews and Muslims reject Jesus Christ which make them antichrist and therefore reject the father and the Holy Ghost

[@SuperSaiyanScandinavian]

thank you so much for this. Sedevacantism is unfortunately something I've come across as well and I wasn't aware there was a name for a bit and ended up watching a handful of videos stirring up confusion. Luckily I have seen some decent rebuttals to certain claims, but this is the best video I've seen also going into detail on what it fully is and the big picture as to why it's wrong instead of just tackling the odd statement. I'm new to the faith and have just been learning on my own for the past 4 months and don't start RCIA until the end of this month. I'll be sure to stay clear of that stuff so that I can at least get a proper foundation instead of muddying everything.

[@alexchristopher221]

Ecclesial traditions can change. Sacred Tradition is a different story.

[@Desert-Father]

@YAJUN YUAN The Magisterium interprets Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.

[@Desert-Father]

@YAJUN YUAN The Magisterium interprets both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, guarding both as the deposit of faith.

[@ntmn8444]

@YAJUN YUAN bro, if you want to become Catholic, just go to RCIA. You’re in all these videos. It makes me think you secretly realize Catholicism is the real Church of Christ.

[@leary4]

When I was a child the church was 20% of "mankind".....much of Europe is going to be atheist soon. I dunno where that puts ur "apostasy" as prophecy thing.

[@POCCNRCKNbY]

That’s in great part due to the explosion in population Asia has seen. Statistics require context.

[@leary4]

@@POCCNRCKNbY Asia has nothing to do with the decline in western europe. As for Asia, there was an increase in the faith in China but u could not call it large. Vietnam's population doubled since the war but the faith remains as far as I know about ten percent. I think Africa accounts for the percentage remaining large but their has been a slip in both real and per capita members globaly.

[@ntmn8444]

Yeah but the church is growing in other parts of the world, like Africa. But I wouldn’t say all of Europe has fallen away. I traveled through parts of Spain and Portugal and found there are still many good religious people there. I enjoyed praying with them in Fatima.

[@jayjat-df7sl]

2:52 You don't necessarily have to declare it. This is wrong. If you deny the dogma, you are an apostate

[@garyolsen3409]

Good comment. Every so called pope since Paul VI has either taught heresy or participated in pagan rituals, which is contrary to the 1st Commandment. That makes them apostate and separated from the Catholic Church and if you aren't Catholic then you ain't pope.

[@marcoricotti7359]

Sedevacantism is a much more variegated reality then the one you are addressing, surely there are true statings but the whole argument is not sufficient. For instance, not every sedevacantists believe the "Post Vatican II Popes" to be antipopes. I totally agree with your premise, at the current state those are matters of theology, to some extent they are studies around a matter that some theologians have written on (St. Thomas, St. Robert Bellarmin...) but it's all in real-time development, so i totally agree that someone who is trying to understand his faith must firstly concentrate on the basics, on dogmas and on defined doctrines. But going on into this argument of theological development i think this is a demonstration that your "they're fossilized" statement is just unfair, au contraire, the developments made around the theology of the Papacy in sedevacantists movements are remarkable, may they end up all as a cloud of smoke? It maybe, but only time will tell... And going on this path, you should have made a distinction between not defined doctrines and defined doctrines. The deposit of Faith IS FOSSILIZED and no one can change it because no one has the authority to do so, and if someone attack it and change it, then it is a statement to his "authority decline" because as Paul said "Anathema sit", so sedevacantists claims are that Vatican II theology has changed doctrines that were not changable (aka fossilized) because they were defined such as, in short, Religious Liberty and Compromise with the modern world (Condemned by Pius IX in Quanta Cura - Syllabus of errors), False ecumenism (Condemned by Pius XI in Mortalium Animos), Collegialism and Episcopalism (Defined as errors by the Vatican I Council) and others passages of Vatican II documents which pose questions in terms of their formulation as they seem ambiguous if not erroneous (Such as "The Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church" that should have been "The Church of Christ IS the Catholic Church"). Anyway the topic is large and not simple to tackle in under 15mins! God bless

[@jwaynecitizen]

Videos like this need to be boosted. If you search “How to become Catholic” a lot of the sedevacantist videos are the first results.

[@danielleeper8719]

Quick question, just like how Protestants are separated brothers, do you guys consider Sedevacantists your separated brothers?

[@701delbronx8]

Yes because it is seen as a form of Schismaticism like the Orthodox

[@EZEQUIELSTRELOKFLIPPY]

I do pal.

[@polkanietzsche5016]

Check mate.

[@christophersnedeker]

If they abstane from the Eucharist and believe there are no valid bishops or preists they probably are.

[@Onlyafool172]

Spiritually Yes, if they have sincere faith, thats in St Pius X cathecism 171 first part, but in all honesty people with hate for faith, will go to hell, so yeah sedevacantists will most likely because they lie about Catholic church intentionally to get more sedevacantists. Are going to hell, you guys are litterraly ruining the church, reform ir from the inside not outside

[@Efrain891]

The bible also says that not everyone who calls me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom but only those who follow the commandments. Not sure that the church being "bigger" is a valid argument against what sedevacantists are saying. Especially since the bible also says that the path to perdition is wide and easy and narrow the path to heaven and few will ever find it.

[@ntmn8444]

Like what? Pray tell. What are they saying that you think it’s valid?

[@francisgilson4429]

@@ntmn8444 What is valid about the Vatican II Sect counterfeit church and new religion?

[@Onlyafool172]

​@@francisgilson4429no literraly read cathecism of St Pius X WHICH you guys use thesis 171 first Part, we litterraly use the same faith, we litterraly just did vatican II because of you, ehontried tonforce baptize adult Jews, historically you guys ARE thr apostates, tridentine mass ended because of YOU and your apostate priests

[@finlaystovell7671]

If you actually think that these quotes are developments, and not substantial change, you are wilfully blind. CONDEMNED: Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. GREGORY XVI: This shameful font of indifferentism gives rise to that absurd and erroneous proposition which claims that liberty of conscience must be maintained for everyone. VS VATICAN II: This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. JOHN PAUL II: [F]reedom of conscience and of religion, including the aforementioned elements, is a primary and inalienable right of the human person.

[@cynthiamatthews]

God did give us the right to choose, between Heaven and hell. As it applies to that...

[@christophersnedeker]

Are you for forcibly converting people to the Christian faith? This is all that is condemning.

[@petros-petra]

​@@christophersnedeker By that logic you shouldn't baptize your children and force your beliefs on them.

[@joeb5502]

I'm curious about the claim that "the Church is growing". What is this based on? Is it just the number of people who have been baptized and/or confirmed in the Catholic Church? I would expect that number to keep growing even if the majority of its members were in fact apostatizing. I doubt that many who do apostatize call their diocese to tell them they are now apostates and to take them off the books. Is Jimmy's claim based on something more substantial?

[@nathanielcueto2339]

I would also like to know

[@zoomervince2457]

The Church isn't growing (at least in America), it's dying, I'll read off of Dr. Taylor Marshall's Infiltration, pages 161-164: Sunday Mass Attendance 1958: 74% of Catholics 2000: 25% of Catholics Infant Baptisms 1965: 1.3 million infant baptisms 2002: 1 million infant baptisms Adult Baptisms 1965: 126,000 adult baptisms 2002: 80,000 adult baptisms Catholic Marriages 1965: 352,000 Catholic marriages 2002: 256,000 Catholic marriages Annulments 1965: 338 annulments 2002: 50,000 annulments Priests: 1965: 58,000 priests 2002: 45,000 priests Ordinations 1965: 1,575 ordinations that year 2002: 450 ordinations that year Priestless Parishes 1965: 1% of parishes were priestless (549 total parishes) 2002: 15% of parishes were priestless (2,928 parishes) Seminarians 1965: 49,000 enrolled seminarians 2002: 4,700 enrolled seminarians Nuns 1965: 12,000 nuns 2002: 5,700 nuns Monks 1965: 12,000 monks 2002: 5,700 monks Jesuits 1965: 5,277 Jesuits and 3,559 seminarians 2000: 3,172 Jesuits and 38 seminarians Franciscans 1965: 2,534 Franciscans and 2,251 seminarians 2000: 1,492 Franciscans and 38 seminarians Catholic High Schools 1965: 1,566 Catholic high schools 2002: 786 Catholic high schools Parochial Grade Schools 1965: 10,503 parochial grade schools 2002: 6,623 parochial grade schools Catholic Parochial Students 1965: 4.5 million students 2002: 1.9 million students

[@nathanielcueto2339]

@@zoomervince2457 damn that's a major blackpill I'd like to see Jimmy respond to this

[@TameMercian]

And those USA numbers are even worse when you consider than the general population has almost double since 1964 meaning the total numbers should also have doubled all being the same. A great apostasy is the word for it.

[@norbertx9415]

The Church has been shrinking for the last 50 years. Akin is myopic. Remember folks, this man gets paid to uphold the institutional church he defends lest he no longer gets the shekels. He has no credibility. This is why charlatans like him won't debate the trad apologists of the trad clergy.

[@riptorn3591]

But if you change the definition of what it is to be Christian than anyone can continue to be “Christian” and therefore not apostate.

[@Adrians_Edits]

Very eye opening thanks! ✝️❤️

[@thecouple4180]

Wow, that was the most superficial and dishonest dismissal of the Sedevacantist position. If you recognize Francis as pope, you are deceived.

[@Athagn]

Amen Brother! Good job Jimmy, as always.

[@matheuspinho4987]

The pope and the bishops had apostatized when they say that there's no need for the convertion of Jews, bow down before pagan idols and celebrate rituals of the old mosaic law(which negates Jesus as the Messiah)

[@jamest.v6007]

@@TheDroc1990 Heresy has the equivalence to apostasy. Rejecting a dogma obstinately is the same as rejecting the whole faith. See satis cognitum by Pope Leo XIII.

[@markmead6742]

ie. vatican2protestant kabbalist antichrist antipopes and antibishops...

[@markmead6742]

@@TheDroc1990 You silly vatican2protestant kabbalist fool, The Catholic Deposit of Faith: Catholic Tradition, The Catholic Bible, and The Authoritative Magisterium, are what give me and the rest of The Catholic militant remnant, who correctly holds the sedevacantist position have such Authority, and just as Commanded. Wanna Debate The Matter? *vatican2protestant kabbalist and protestants in general are so easy to refute and rebuke but too spiritually blind and wilfully ignorant to realize it or admit it. Schism, Heresy *[even just one],* and Apostasy sever one from The Catholic Church, either by word or action, whether by declaration or ipso-facto excommunicated. Wake up sleeple! Kyrie Eleison 😔

[@admaioremdeigloriam2466]

@@markmead6742 My friend, I am sedevacantist as well, but I must advise you that your tone is not very charitable nor conducive to the conversion of others. There's a lot of context that people who are new to sedevacantism would be missing by reading your comment, and this can potentially scandalize. God Bless you.

[@markmead6742]

@@admaioremdeigloriam2466 . Everyone that I speak with, that holds your tone are heretics, and in charity I tell you that, so that you can correct your errors, and liberalism. No, doubt you are a false sedevacantist, but rather a heretic. Let's see, shall we? Likely you REJECT The Papacy, which is not the same as the sedevacantist position. And Do you buy into any, or all of the 6 basic Modernists heresies? ...namely: 1) faith alone 2) baptism of desire 3) baptism of blood 4) invincible ignorance 5) NFP 'natural' family planning And/Or 6) salvation outside of The One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? Dollars to Donuts you will be transparent, and as I have indicated, just from what you have initially said already, just a few minutes ago. BTW, in charity, I offer this Refutation and Sharp Prudent Rebuke. *vatican2protestant kabbalist, FALSE traditionalist, eastern "orthodox", and protestants in general are so easy to refute and rebuke but too spiritually blind and wilfully ignorant to realize it or admit it.* Any Questions? Kyrie Eleison 😔

[@PaulR3167]

Why are you afraid of attacks if what you believe is true? Debate the Dimond brothers, just defending Pope Francis's actions and comments alone, you're going to wish you were in another parallel universe.

[@jamesmondok8635]

The reason for Latin was and is to express the Liturgy in terms of Universality of the Church along with respect and reverence. The “NEW ORDER” Mass is absolutely terrible and lacks Tradition!!!

[@deusvult2302]

I totally agree it turned into a sissified, efeminized version of what catholicism really is a spectacle for evangelifish & atheists to join in on without being offended! This spectacle has nothing to do with true catholicism anymore.

[@reverenddick8562]

Plus, they support sodomy and child abuse, but let's not criticize 'progressivism'. 😆

[@mariolimbaga5427]

Adding in to this point Latin was used to also preserve the meaning of words because the language cannot change with culture

[@irreview]

As an earlier Pope said, "Strike the Shepherd, and the flock will scatter."

[@leesog3203]

Maybe that's what happened, when the Vatican was infiltrated... To which it's now reached a point where The Pope is openly advocated the use of vaccines.. An absolutely diabolical thing for one of his "Holiness" to do to his people..

[@itsdutchintime1907]

@@leesog3203 Francis advocating for life saving vaccines is now somehow proof that his papacy is invalid?

[@aprestoargentino5695]

I've never seen anyone attack the papacy as much as Bergoglio. His Sinod of Sinodality is going to erradicate the last bits of Catholicism in the Catholic Church. He pretends to dissolve hierarchy and it will lead to congregations changing their ways arbitrarily to conform to the world.

[@deusvult6920]

@@itsdutchintime1907 99.9% survival rate. It isn't saving any lives. Stop being a scared woman.

[@itsdutchintime1907]

@@deusvult6920 Do you think I'm scared? I never got the vaccine. I don't plan to. I'm 16 years old and not in need of it. You're a peach.

[@speakerscornerbestbits]

God Bless you Jimmy. Sedevacantism in effect claims that the Holy Spirit is ineffectual in guiding the Church and is therefore ineffectual in fulfilling the promise of Christ (Mt 16:18). As a Catholic I find such a position heretical. I'm not sure what the sedevacantivists agenda is but I pray they will give up this nonsense and return to the fold.

[@ntmn8444]

Amen amen amen 🙏

[@deusvult6920]

Well no, it's not. It's a statement that the Vatican 2 Church is simply not the Catholic Church. The position is that the Holy Spirit did not guide us into error. To believe the Vatican 2 Church can possibly be the True Church when it teaches heresy previously condemned by the infallible magiaterium is, quite honestly, laughable. If you believe the Vatican 2 documents came from the Church, you believe the indefectable Church can defect and can contradict her previous infallible teachings

[@francisheperi4180]

Wrong!

[@notaholyjoebutworkingonit]

@@francisheperi4180 how so?

[@francisheperi4180]

@@notaholyjoebutworkingonit Bishop Sanborn will explain.

[@retrocessionworks]

I know I’m 3 years late, but I have to say that for me, now is exactly the right time to look at this issue as someone in RCIA. If the Sedevcantists are right, I’m out. If they’re right, Catholicism is irrelevant to me. If the Catholic Church is false, I’m surely not going to join some offshoot. Either the Holy Spirit is leading the Church or it’s not. No Protestant, atheist, Muslim, or Hindu argument will stop this journey for me. Only the sedevacantists can do that. BUT I’ve looked carefully at the arguments and my personal opinion is that there are a number of heretics here on KZbin, heretics posing as traditionalists.

[@trollsneedhugs]

Could it not be that this is God's plan? The passion manifest in the church, disfigured externally?

[@NicoleE12388]

Check out Most Holy Trinity Seminary videos on KZbin. Bishop Donald Sanborn. Or Roman Catholic Media. Sedevacantism may contain mystery, but it does NOT contain contradiction - which cannot be said for the post V2 church.

[@david_porthouse]

This Pope would appear to be turning the Church into a battleground. If we grant that all his appointments of Cardinals are valid, do you have any idea of what the faithful might do to sit it out until either the Pope repents or we get a sensible Pope?

[@ntmn8444]

People are doing that well on their own without the pope.

[@dnznznfjsnsnsms9996]

In the era of Francis I would say that God is not going to judge people too harshly on whether or not they view Francis to be the pope or an anti antipope. anything it takes to keep someone Catholic at this point as far as I'm concerned. I'm not a sedevacantist I do see some Merit to the simple statement that one has to be Catholic to be the pope and Francis clearly is not Catholic

[@Thomas-dw1nb]

I'm sorry, but this was funny, "set of a contest."

[@dnznznfjsnsnsms9996]

@@Thomas-dw1nb lol just saw that. Edit

[@aprestoargentino5695]

Francis is not the pope but the first PACHA PAPA.

[@Leocomander]

It’s easy to accept the teachings on the papacy when we have a good Pope. Your faith in those teachings is put to the test when we don’t have such a great Pope.

[@admaioremdeigloriam2466]

@@Leocomander The following is from Fr. Fernand Mourret on, arguably, the most immoral Pope in history: John XII. "Nothing in his life marked him for this office, and everything should have kept him from it. He was rarely seen in church. His days and nights were spent in the company of young men and of disreputable women, in the pleasures of the table and of amusements and of the hunt, or in even more sinful sensual enjoyments. It is related that sometimes, in the midst of dissolute revelry, the prince had been seen to drink to the health of the devil. Raised to the papal office, Octavian changed his name and took the name of John XII. He was the first pope thus to assume a new name. But his new dignity brought about no change in his morals, and merely added the guilt of sacrilege. Divine providence, watching over the Church, miraculously preserved the deposit of faith, of which this young voluptuary was the guardian. This Pope’s life was a monstrous scandal, but his bullarium is faultless. We cannot sufficiently admire this prodigy. There is not a heretic or a schismatic who has not endeavored to legitimate his own conduct dogmatically: Photius tried to justify his pride, Luther his sensual passions, Calvin his cold cruelty. Neither Sergius III nor John XII nor Benedict IX nor Alexander VI, supreme pontiffs, definers of the faith, certain of being heard and obeyed by the whole Church, uttered, from the height of their apostolic pulpit, a single word that could be an approval of their disorders. At times John XII even became the defender of the threatened social order, of offended canon law, and of the religious life exposed to danger." (Rev. Fernand Mourret, A History of the Catholic Church, Vol. 3 [St. Louis, MO: Herder Book Co., 1946], pp. 510-511) Not a single Pope in the entirety of Catholic history has ever been a heretic nor taught heresy. There's a *strict* difference between a bad (imprudent, immoral, etc.) Pope and a heretic Pope (the latter of which is impossible, an acceptance of which *would* constitute an abandoning of Catholic theology on the papacy). Can you really say that Bergoglio is _merely_ "bad"? God Bless.

[@anderskjr7169]

Well I guess the debate is if the current actions and words coming out of the leadership from Rome is an adaption or development of the Church's tradition or if it's a rejection and destruction of the traditions and teachings of the church? For instance if Christ and his church said to make Christians of all nations and the current pope says that it's not permissible to try and convert non-Catholics then that seems like a rejection to me and not a development or evolution of the original message. But yes I agree that the Bishops should have spoken then and not later as some of them have done.

[@hglundahl]

3:30 Do the Biblical and Canonic uses of "apostasy" overlap entirely?

[@NeonShadowsx]

Jimmy Akin's definition of "apostasy" is much narrower than Aquinas' definition, which allows the term apostasy to be used in situations other than the complete rejection of the Christian religion: "Apostasy denotes a backsliding from God. This may happen in various ways according to the different kinds of union between man and God. For, in the first place, man is united to God by faith; secondly, by having his will duly submissive in obeying His commandments; thirdly, by certain special things pertaining to supererogation such as the religious life, the clerical state, or Holy Orders. Now if that which follows be removed, that which precedes, remains, but the converse does not hold. Accordingly a man may apostatize from God, by withdrawing from the religious life to which he was bound by profession, or from the Holy Order which he had received: and this is called "apostasy from religious life" or "Orders." A man may also apostatize from God, by rebelling in his mind against the Divine commandments: and though man may apostatize in both the above ways, he may still remain united to God by faith. But if he give up the faith, then he seems to turn away from God altogether: and consequently, apostasy simply and absolutely is that whereby a man withdraws from the faith, and is called "apostasy of perfidy." On this way apostasy, simply so called, pertains to unbelief."

[@NeonShadowsx]

Now, have a great many bishops "rebelled in their minds against the Divine commandments"? It would be difficult to deny this. So it is accurate to say that they have apostatised, at least in one sense of the term.

[@NeonShadowsx]

It is genuinely humorous to hear Jimmy complain about traditionalists "misrepresenting" things while he completely misrepresents their positions.

[@NeonShadowsx]

Every part of Jimmy's argument is self-defeating. I can imagine a dissident academic in a communist country giving such obviously bad arguments for the Party as a coded way of attacking the Party, but it seems like Jimmy is being sincere.

[@NeonShadowsx]

"If Vatican II was bad, someone would have noticed". People *did* notice. *Bishops* noticed. Such a resistance was made that many of the Vatican II era errors have been rolled back. The traditional mass has been unsuppressed. Traditionalist orders are springing up everywhere. Traditional practices are being rediscovered by the youth. Churches are being unreckovated. Altar rails are going back up. My humble state capital has daily Latin masses.

[@marcoricotti7359]

And to lose Faith it takes only to reject one article as St. Augustine stated against arianists "In many doctrines we do agree, but the few one we disagree are sufficient to demonstrate we don't share the same Faith", and this is theologically true in fact the reject of any article of Faith is the reject of something that God has passed us either directly (Revelation) or indirectly (Church Magisterium-Tradition), so it is like saying that God, in that matter, either was not true or was in error, and this only is sufficient to fully lose Faith in God

[@horizon-one]

Jimmy's explanation is pretty good. Thanks so much Jimmy.

[@Luke_19951]

Pope francis is Anti pope as well. Worshiping the Pachamma isn't Catholic.

[@aprestoargentino5695]

@Grim Graven Cemetery I wouldn't allow an idol at my house, let alone the Vatican. There is even footage of him blessing the idol when he should be burning it instead. Lukewarm christianity isn't christianity.

[@aprestoargentino5695]

@Grim Graven Cemetery He IS an heretic. He's not even a Catholic, being in San Galo, Masonry, Rotary Club...

[@mariolimbaga5427]

@Grim Graven CemeteryIt has always been a teaching of the church that as catholics we are banned from praying with or participating in pagan religions psalm 96:5 "For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens." which makes him a heretic as well as religious indiffrentism

[@mariolimbaga5427]

@Grim Graven Cemetery religious indifferentism is heresy because there is no salvation outside the church Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: meaning full authority of the papal office

[@francisgilson4429]

@Grim Graven Cemetery Do you know the definition of a heretic in fact? With love and charity for your soul you are 100% wrong. A heretic in fact is automatically excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Faith. This has been a dogma of the for over 1500 years.

[@ordinary_deepfake]

You can't say well in the past we had anti popes and when it happens in our life time you justify it

[@charlisdad4460]

Most concise argument I've heard regarding this topic.

[@catholicguy3605]

He really doesn't take on their actual arguments.

[@catholicguy3605]

For instance when he brings up the problems they have with John XXIII, Jimmy says for reasons and does not mention the reasons.

[@deusvult2302]

@Coding Crusader 100%

[@forgivemylaughterihaveacon2556]

I’m asking in good faith. Maybe they’re not guilty of apostasy but what if the pope used his infallibility to change dogmas? Where would the changes stop ?

[@deusvult6920]

It's impossible for a Pope to use infallibility to change dogma. It is impossible for dogma to change. A Pope that tried would prove he is no Pope (as has been the case since 1958)

[@forgivemylaughterihaveacon2556]

@@deusvult6920 thank you

[@forgivemylaughterihaveacon2556]

@@deusvult6920 Happy Easter

[@russelbangot8245]

This video is refuted by "Great Proof text if Sedevacantism" by Dimond brothers.

[@Polack21]

An SSPX priest dismantled sedevacantism in the video "Why Sedevacantism can't be a solution to the crisis."

[@russelbangot8245]

@@Polack21 DId your false traditionalist priest refute The dimond bro? Because they usually chicken out when asked for a debate.

[@russelbangot8245]

@@Polack21 Just tell your your priest to refute "Marcel Lefebvre: Sedevacantist" (in youtube) by Fr Cekada ( BTW Fr. Cekada know Abp Lefebvre personally)

[@Polack21]

@@russelbangot8245 Im very familiar with vaticancatholic material. I assure you, the SSPX priest in the video I mentioned is well worth your time.

[@russelbangot8245]

@@Polack21 I think the worth for you and your priest to refute "Marcel Lefebvre: Sedevacantist" by Fr. Cekada😊

[@microbroadcast]

This was a great teaching, and I'm so glad I came across it. So clear and authoritative. Thanks Jimmy Akin for clarifying the issue.

[@jep6752]

Aramaic was not the most common language in 1st century Judea and Galilee. 3 points to consider on the matter: 1) Existence of post-biblical Hebrew of the Mishnah showing a continuous development of Hebrew up until the early 200's AD. Dead languages don't develop but remain static. 2) The sign above Jesus was written in the 3 most common languages of the Roman empire/residents and pilgrims in Jerusalem. Aramaic was not one of them. 3) The same 3 languages were on the sign warning Gentiles not to enter the court of the Jews at the Temple. Aramaic, of course, was used in the region. But it wasn't the main language of Jesus and the apostles. And yes, I've studied all 4 languages mentioned in this comment.

[@nicktomohern6728]

Is Jimmy's definition of apostasy included in Catechisms' published after Vatican II ???

[@noehren6780]

Well said bro, thanks. GOD Bless us.

[@luisgomes8226]

I am sorry but Just because numbers are growing does not mean the faith is growing. Numbers do not necessarily equate with faith. I know large numbers of professing Catholics Who are in fact practical atheists...

[@christisking9773]

My hair is tangled

[@garyolsen3409]

Every so called pope since Paul VI has either taught heresy or participated in pagan rituals, which is contrary to the 1st Commandment. That makes them apostate and separated from the Catholic Church. If you aren't Catholic you ain't pope. That's what we believe. Deny one dogma, you excommunicate yourself. How many dogmas have the last 5 denied?

[@andrewpatton5114]

Pope Peter publicly denied Christ three times. Did he cease to be Pope?

[@garyolsen3409]

@@andrewpatton5114 St Peter became pope after our lord ascended. Nice try popesplainer.

[@andrewpatton5114]

@@garyolsen3409 Citation?

[@thetriunegodsofficalfanpag4442]

The church is about to get even bigger.. I’m in rcia and my five kids are coming with me!😅

[@MarkusAvrelius]

Bigger doesn't mean better. 70% of Catholics don't believe in Eucharist to be Jesus. The church is more becoming to be protestant. Maybe this is the big apostasy.

[@stevenkraftdc3847]

Amen. Thank you Jimmy Akin. You are appreciated.

[@ipso-kk3ft]

It's always good practice to look at the whole of the history of the Church, from the New Testament and Patristic period, to the Middle Ages, Renaissance, Reformation and Counter-Reformation, and the early modern period. The fact is, from day one and ground zero, internal division, persecution, doctrinal debate, confusion, and doomsday prophets are nothing new. From the earliest Councils arguing for centuries about Christology, worship, and church discipline . . . all up to the latest Council. Obviously, the Church in the West is suffering from secularism, but we need to avoid historically, culturally, and theologically-narrow ideas of how the Church is doing and how to fix it. Look around the world, not just in the West. Look to the saints of all times, not just in the past 150 years. Listen, and let's not let labels and all-in-one solutions blind us. We're not Pharisees! Avoid pride, self-righteousness, and lust for outrage. Many of both our liberal and traditionalist siblings are guilty of denying the 'hermeneutic of continuity' that Benedict XVI repeatedly taught us. We have been and always will be the same Church, but evolve the ways we communicate the Gospel (e.g. via certain traditions and language) because the world evolves in its language, culture, and thinking.

[@shepherdson6189]

Couldn't have said any better. Thanks

[@CartmanMorisato]

@@TheThreatenedSwan Thanks for that, Darwin.

[@priestsfortherestorationof9390]

blessing gay unions, heresy upon heresy against what Jesus taught. Yes, Sedevacante!

[@jackmoody5416]

Funny how all the apologists at Catholic Answers are afraid to debate brother Dimond. That's because they know they'd get demolished.

[@georgepierson4920]

You anti-Vatican II people are your own worse enemies. You attack the Council and everybody associated with it, and then wonder why Pope Francis suppressed the Latin Mass.

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

Trent Horn did a great response to Dimond I suggest you check it out. I agreed with Dimond on a lot of things but Horn showed that he actually uses many clever manipulation and debate tactics to make his point seem more consequential than they actually are

[@georgepierson4920]

Your Brother Diamond does not even have a real monastery. A real monastery would have a chapel and none can be seen on Google Maps.

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

@@georgepierson4920 He doesn't even believe the sacraments can be administered today because he believes there are no valid popes in the world.

[@EleaticStranger]

Amazing teacher.

[@timothy2214]

1:10 Truth fears no criticism sir.

[@Mokinono45]

It's really good that Akin offers no sources, just his own infallible opinion. 🤣🤣🤣 Pope Akins to the rescue!

[@carissahanson9887]

The only question I have about the pope is his statements about our leader ship and I also have questions about why some restrictions in the church have seem to be lifted I do think we need more tradition my comments are not meant to be disrespectful I am back in the church I just think that some of theComments that were made may not be appropriate

[@jimmyplayscds]

I did not expect you to get to the heart of the issue - you did not exceed my expectations.

[@ChristianCatholic555]

Pope Pius IX said that the "Old Catholics" were apostates despite them claiming to be the true Christian faithful. "But but but Pius IX taught invincible ignorance...", yeah, "in this matter" (Singulari Quadam), not all matters of salvation. The minimum requirements for salvation are the Sacrament of Baptism and no opposition to the increase of Christian faith (John 3:5, Denzinger 696, 714, etc.). Pope Pius IX, Graves ac diuturnae (# 2), On the “Old Catholics”: “Having violently occupied parishes and churches with APOSTATE priests, they have not neglected any deception or cunning to lead the children of the Catholic Church into wretched schism…Because it has always been characteristic of heretics and schismatics to use lies and deception, these sons of darkness…[the "Old Catholics"] repeatedly state openly that they do not in the least reject the Catholic Church and its visible head but rather that they are zealous for the purity of Catholic doctrine…But in fact they refuse to acknowledge all the divine prerogatives of the vicar of Christ on earth and do not submit to his supreme Magisterium.”

[@mariolimbaga5427]

Sedevacantism is true Catholicism that keeps the teachings of the Church pre Vatican II. Apostasy has always been synonymous with heresy in one of the encyclicals of Pope Leo XIII and heresy completely seperates one from the church whether he has been officially condemed or not

[@Desert-Father]

Lol. Try reading up on the definition of schism and then try and lecture Jimmy about what Heresy and Apostasy mean.

[@mariolimbaga5427]

@@Desert-Father St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. II, Q. 12, A. 1, Obj. 2: “… if anyone were to… worship at the tomb of Mahomet, he would be deemed an apostate.”

[@Desert-Father]

@@mariolimbaga5427 Canon 751 Schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. Ubi Petrus, ibi ergo Ecclesia. -St. Ambrose of Milan

[@francisgilson4429]

@@Desert-Father There have been over 40 anti-popes in church history. Any pope that commits heresy, apostasy and or idolatry is automatically excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Faith prior to the Vatican II sect.

[@marcoricotti7359]

@@Desert-Father this is exactly why we are sedes, because in order to subject to the See of Peter we need to refute what has already been defined and condemned. For instance, you cannot subject your conscience to "Quanta Cura" and "The Syllabus" AND to "Dignitatis Humanae" and "Unitatis Redintegratio", because these documents are not in continuity but in rupture, so one must decide which of the two is true/false, but since the Magisterium cannot contradict itself, the choice is simple. We're not rejecting papal authority, we're saying that since VII documents contain errors they cannot be Church's documents aka the "Popes" that promote them cannot be Popes because a true Pope doesn't have the Power to obliterate what previous Popes have defined/condemned, and if he does so then he cease to be Pope and cannot be considered as the supreme authority of The Church. If you defect from Faith, How can you be the chief of something you don't belong to?

[@beewizerm8]

Why are so many comments being deleted?

[@zachmaxwell]

It's not that comments are deleted; it's because comments are held for review by KZbin filters

[@beewizerm8]

@@zachmaxwell incorrect

[@zachmaxwell]

​@@beewizerm8 Well, I'm the one that manages it

[@beewizerm8]

@@zachmaxwell must be trustworthy then....lol

[@brandonmanderson]

@@beewizerm8 I trust him.... but he deleted my comment where I linked a really cool video about how to make awesome sugar free jello.

[@errormancer5487]

I like how he just jumps over the expansion of Cardinals and restrictions placed on older ones. I get it you are fundamentally tied to the VC2 church and can bend the Pope Francis’s words to make them orthodox but can you show a time when it took priests pages of explanation why something wasn’t heretical?

[@Desert-Father]

"the VC2 church", as if there was any other Church. Sedevacantism falls into the same trap of pride as did the Jansenists, the Gallicans, the Donatists and even the Protestants. Its past time for Catholics to give religious assent to the teachings of the Magisterium and stop treating their own private beliefs on Scripture and Tradition as authoritative.

[@williamavitt8264]

By virtue of his office, the Pope can't be a heretic. Another Pope could declare that a previous Pope held heretical views, but while he's Pope he can't be a heretic because it's the Pope who holds the authority to declare something a heresy. There have been many Popes who didn't live up to their office. But we trust the Holy Spirit to protect the integrity of the Church from a bad Pope taking them into heresy, and in 2000 years the Holy Spirit has safeguarded the Church. To deny the authority of the Pope and the Magisterium is heresy. So you are a heretic trying to accuse the Pope of heresy. Sedevacantists are literally just the new Protestant denomination, and are not Catholics

[@ntmn8444]

@@Desert-Father amen!

[@deusvult6920]

@@Desert-Father objectively false. We say "the Church has already taught infallibly on this. What Vatican 2 teaches is directly contradictory to previously revealed truth. It therefore lacks Holiness and can't be the True Church" It is nothing but deference to the Church. Your calumny is a mortal sin though. I'd repent

[@Desert-Father]

@@deusvult6920 "Infallibly taught"? Where? In what document and by what authority was it taught infallibly? Cite it and then cite the document and sentence from Vatican II that contradicts it. Do at least that bare minimum of work before you falsely accuse a fellow Christian of calumny when he is simply defending the teachings of an Ecumenical Council of Holy Mother Church. And you make this false accusation on Easter?! Have you no shame? You know what else is a mortal sin? Schism.

[@ordinary_deepfake]

We're more now because more people are alive now then ever and live longer

[@joelancon7231]

"Paranoid and delusional" never heard those protestant conspiracy theorist described better

[@NeonShadowsx]

it's cope to call them prots, most catholic bishops deny more catholic doctrines than the average protestant pastor lmao

[@CartmanMorisato]

@@NeonShadowsx That's a blanket generalization, but okay.

[@NeonShadowsx]

Roman Flores that doesn’t even make sense. By saying “most” I am explicitly not generalising it.

[@USMC98]

The comfort of our Father is here. Don't worry about the future. We will be there With Him. He is already with us. He as ALWAYS been with us. May God bless you 🙏

[@dominickyeo]

If the successor to Pope Francis does not accept the title of Vicar of Christ then he hasn't validly accepted the papacy and we will still be in a state of Sede vacante.

[@mikebloomberg1794]

No-one says the Catholic Church ventured from its traditions. Reply to this comment if you wish to understand why they're the Vatican II Contra-Church, not the Catholic Church!

[@CartmanMorisato]

No thanks, I have more faith in Christ's words in Matthew 16:18 than that!

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

No thanks I believe in the perpetual succession of Popes unlike sedevecantism which believes that the Papacy has ended.

[@Solarius1983]

@@TheChunkyCrusader it doesn't believe the papacy has ended but vacant. You clearly haven't read anything on the subject.

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

@@Solarius1983 sure it doesn't believe that, but the logical conclusion of the position (considering a multitude of factors) is that this happened.

[@marcoricotti7359]

@@TheChunkyCrusader can you explain why it has logically ended?

[@irenemccann7032]

Who says that only 31% believe in the real presence of the Eucharist, nonsense I’ve never ever heard one person saying that.

[@irenemccann7032]

Well they must be idiots, at the last supper Jesus turned the bread and wine into his body and blood and leaving it to his apostles and others who followed , so those who don’t believe that it’s not our lords body and blood I really feel sorry for them, so they can’t also believe that he died for us on the cross if they don’t believe what he said, well I’m glad that I believe and I thank God everyday for the faith that I was given and for the Religious education that I received from a great school in Coatbridge Scotland called ST PATRICKS.

[@bubbawhisk8243]

Can someone not be an apostate but still be committing anathema?

[@angelaa.4254]

yes

[@Mirro.555]

Jesus called the church the little flock. Yhe few enter by narrow gates.

[@400constantine]

The Dimond Brothers are making videos about Magic what are your thoughts?

[@christophersnedeker]

What?

[@400constantine]

@@christophersnedeker mhfm1 KZbin

[@ordinary_deepfake]

Pacha mama, first in the garden like a snake 🐍 then on a coin

[@finnr2057]

Could they ever say something in a simple way that I can understand?

[@Fedeleness]

"The Church is growing" ; what a liar.

[@michaelhaywood8262]

it is in sub-Saharan Africa. I think that soon we will soon require missionaries from Africa to come over to GB, Europe and North America to reignite the Faith.

[@francisgilson4429]

@@michaelhaywood8262 Unfortunately, it is the counterfeit church and new religion from the Vatican II sect.

[@dmal1413]

Jimmy is knowledgeable for sure, but he wasn’t Catholic not too long ago, and probably isn’t the best to talk about Sedevacantism

[@CartmanMorisato]

If you apply that logic throughout Church history you have to discount every convert ever before they went into ministry. If you do that to say St. Paul, then you have to toss out most of the New Testament of the Holy Bible.

[@dmal1413]

Roman Flores excuse sorry. I reread my statement and it wasn’t clear. It should have read, “probably not the best choice” to talk about Sedevacantism. They should find a longtime solid Catholic to reach out to the Sedavacantists, they aren’t going to listen to Jimmy.

[@dmal1413]

@Rincon Ovalle Luis Fernando you’re making a lot of assumptions my friend. I came to the Church through Sedavacantistism and believed they were right for a long time, and lived as such. After a long time of study and prayer, I found the Sedevacantist arguments fail in the face of our Lord’s words. And fail when presented with the spirit of the Lord. I understand WHY they think what they think, but it isn’t rational, and is very harmful. I would go so far as to say Sedavacantistism is text book schismatic ideology. The mere fact you think you can’t find “a real Catholic” outside of it, it a testament to its un-Christ like thinking.

[@francisgilson4429]

@@CartmanMorisato No. Jim is a heretic in fact which automatically excommunicates from the Roman Catholic Faith. He is a protestant that is promoting the counterfeit church and new religion from the Vatican II sect.

[@jayjat-df7sl]

4:00 Disingenuous claim, only partly true... So practically false. Obviously the lay population has increased, the rates of growth are demonstrably declining, and the number of clerics in the US is inarguably devastating. The point is moot though, since within those same shrinking numbers is still the remnant of the faithful. An even smaller portion of those who purport to be in the Church are actually faithful.

[@beewizerm8]

It is categorically false to imply that by signing the documents Abp Lefebvre accepted them. Akins doesn't seem aware of the protocol required at the Council. Read the sspx piece on this Jimmy. Also.... WHY is the sspx even mentioned? So ridiculous

[@CartmanMorisato]

Because he's trying to point out that we as Catholics need to be unified, not create more schism, which is ultimately the fruits of what SSPX has done. I respect their wanting to be true to God, but not their methods. It's a Protestantish split with Catholic trimmings.

[@beewizerm8]

@@CartmanMorisato there is no unity without truth

[@wendymoran6759]

@@CartmanMorisato The sedes did not "do" anything except continue to do what they had always done. It was the Church that changed.

[@mariolimbaga5427]

@@wendymoran6759 Though the SSPX speak alot of truth they are still heretics because they dont believe in Papal infallibility and dont hold the sede vacante position

[@admaioremdeigloriam2466]

@@mariolimbaga5427 I should clarify here, because it's a very big misunderstanding. Sedevacantism does not have anything to do with Papal Infallbility. That is, the argument does not treat of a Pope teaching in his official capacity. If he were to teach heresy in this way, it wouldn't even be a question that he is no longer Pope, because otherwise the dogma of Papal Infallibility wouldn't hold. Rather, sedevacantism treats of a Pope teaching heresy *as a private theologian* instead. The teachings of St. Robert Bellarmine may be called to mind on this point, regarding what would happen if a Pope became a manifest heretic. But you were right that the SSPX doctrines on the papacy are heretical because they accept a Church that, in it's official capacity (think: Vatican II) CAN and DOES teach error AND heresy (both of which are distinct and unacceptable) and think this is possible without violating the Church's indefectibility. God Bless.

[@Quoprimunitus]

Jimmy you're great man, such a blessing for our church. God bless you!

[@deusvult2302]

Jimmy is a self-loathing heretic

[@rr884136]

You mean the errors of Vatican 2

[@jacktuman7817]

Dr. Jimmy is in today!

[@francisgilson4429]

No. Jim is a heretic in fact which automatically excommunicate him from the Roman Catholic Faith. He is a protestant that promotes the counterfeit church and new religion of the Vatican II sect.

[@christisking9773]

This didn’t age well in 2022 and the total and obvious apostasy we see

[@norbertx9415]

Weak and feeble arguments.

[@owennelson7081]

That’s just incorrect. This is a solid refutation of an extremely heretical belief.

[@basedchango2172]

@@owennelson7081 no,this was not solid at all. We aren't heretical we uphold the traditions of the Catholic church that the Pope wilfully threw away

[@princessc660]

Then refute them!!!

[@jimmyplayscds]

​@@basedchango2172Don't you mean antipope?

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

​@@basedchango2172 Sedevacantism are no different than protestants, buddy. And just like them, you are heretics.

[@junelledembroski9183]

I could have sworn I saw this video months ago...

[@CartmanMorisato]

And you're probably going to keep seeing it because people who don't understand Vatican II are always going to poo-poo it because they don't agree with it; and then pass themselves off as "true" or "traditional" Catholics.

[@irenemccann7032]

Read my reply

[@irenemccann7032]

Only an ignorant person would not believe that it’s not the Body And Blood Of Christ , when our lord at the last supper said to his apostles this is my body and this is my blood, do this in memory of me, so if they don’t believe that, then they don’t believe that he died and rose from the dead to atone for our sins, I feel sorry for them, and I thank God everyday for the Religious education that I Got at St Patrick’s school Coatbridge Scotland.

[@jayjat-df7sl]

Comments got me kekking, get beasted on, Jimmy Fatkins

[@alb1332]

you are wrong ...

[@AD-sx7ix]

Never listen to the most holy family monastery

[@AD-sx7ix]

Moe Gibbs Yes

[@AD-sx7ix]

Moe Gibbs No I’m just not willing to listen to anything that a schismatic group tells me. Even if it’s a warning of an ambush, lmao it was probably a false alarm & exaggeration anyway. Sede’s always reach & exaggerate things too much

[@Jf-mi2lj]

why not?

[@Jf-mi2lj]

@Rincon Ovalle Luis Fernando whats wrong with MHFM?

[@angelaa.4254]

@@Jf-mi2lj They are Feeneyites, "Feeneyism Against the Church Authority Fr Vili Lehtoranta" on YT explains the issue

[@iolitamallari1393]

O

[@Alvarezsnwl]

I became Sedvacanist today thank God

[@boopbeepbop154]

Why? demons still obey the authority of exorcists that the sedes claim have invalid orders (and aren't priests). If they were invalid priests, they wouldn't be able to exorcise any better than lay people.

[@boopbeepbop154]

@@lostsheepofjesus2136 there have been many, many exorcisms and miracles preformed by priests post Vatican II. Why would a demon deceive the priest by leaving? Demons don’t want to leave. If they had the ability to stay I’m sure they would. They love tormenting people. Yes, faith before miracles, which is why I trust the Church that has an actual Pope.

[@boopbeepbop154]

@@lostsheepofjesus2136 It defeats the whole point of the papacy, which is to ensure that we can confidently know the true gospel by trusting in the authority of the Church headed by the successor of Peter. If we have to judge if the Pope is really the Pope based on if we think he's being heretical, then his authority is useless because we have to judge its validity. The Church's infallibility becomes, "those who always teach the truth always teach the truth", which is a useless tautology. Vatican I seems to refute sedevacantism in Pastor Aeternus: "That which our lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the Church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ’s authority, in the Church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time." And Pope St. Pius X appears to confirm it: “The office divinely committed to Us of feeding the Lord’s flock has especially this duty assigned to it by Christ, namely, to guard with the greatest vigilance the deposit of the faith, delivered to the saints, rejecting the profane novelties of words and oppositions of knowledge falsely so-called. There has never been a time when this watchfulness of the Supreme Pastor was not necessary to the Catholic body….” Please do not be led astray by the doubt sown by men who prefer their idea of what the Church should be to that which Christ established and entrusted to the care of Peter and his successors, though weak and imperfect Peter and his successors may be and very well are. If the Church always needs a Pope for its own good, then for our Lord to allow it to continue without one for a prolonged period of time would seem to be a betrayal of His promise to found His Church on Peter, against which the gates of Hades shall not prevail. False teachers may come, and without a pope to authoritatively settle disputes, the faithful may be led astray, especially if false teachers were pretending to sit in the Chair of Peter. That is my understanding of Christ's promise, at least. There necessarily needs to be an interregnum if a pope dies and a new one needs be elected, but to have a situation where nearly the whole of Christendom can be led astray and the visible Church misled by a false pope appears to be unthinkable in light of Christ's promise. Sedevacantism is essentially denying the power of the Holy Spirit to protect the Church from error. As Catholics, we believe that no matter how bad a Pope might be as a person, the Holy Spirit still prevents them from teaching any error if they make an infallible statement on faith or morals to the Church. Their beliefs are self-contradicting- if God truly established the Papacy through Jesus, then that also means that God would never allow Satan to lead the Church into error. The best arguments against it in my opinion are, the fact that sedevacantists lack Ordinary jurisdiction which destroys the concept of the Church, and makes it impossible for them to ever have a new Pope as there are no Cardinals of Pope Pius XII remaining and a General Council cannot be called. A minority of Sedes get around this with Bp. Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers' Thesis of Cassiciacum which holds that the Pope from John XXIII onwards are materially but not formally the Pope. Another argument is that of universal peaceful acceptance. It was taught by most (if not all) theologians that if the Bishops of the world universally and peacefully accepted a Pope (which happened with John XXIII) he is the Pope, this was taught by Cardinals Billot, de Lugo, Franzelin and Journet, the Manuals of Noort, Ott, Tanquery and Hunter, it was taught by many earlier theologians such as Suarez, John of St. Thomas and Cano, it was even taught by Saints such as St. Alphonsus Ligouri and St. Robert Bellarmine who are often appealed to by sedevacantists. The idea that the Papacy could be vacant, and that every Cardinal and Bishop could adhere to an anti-Pope was impossible to them.

[@NicoleE12388]

@@boopbeepbop154check out Roman Catholic Media or Bishop Donald Sanborn. Wish you well!

[@lonelyberg1808]

*Vatican catholic KZbin channel sweating*

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

Yup, they made a Jimmy Akin exposed vid. But it was from a Vid with Akin ages ago on MHFM

[@lonelyberg1808]

@@TheChunkyCrusader yeah I've seen the video

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

@@lonelyberg1808 Catholic LARPers the Bros are

[@francisheperi4180]

Blah blah blah

[@Kenny-mu2xb]

Great argument

[@francisgilson4429]

Lies, lies and more lies.

[@francisgilson4429]

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