The Evolution of Gabbie Hanna and Her Content.

[@heyhello6624]

Do I care about Gabbie? No Will I listen to smokey talking about her? Absolutely

[@marle7]

Mood

[@Isabella-lf9yl]

When you see she posted a video 2 days ago 👀

[@ecb3828]

Oliver's Really Gay YESSSS I hadn’t seen it when she originally posted, it popped up and I was whaaaa yay!!! Lol

[@samsam-kn6fo]

Fr

[@TheOneTheyCallTim]

same

[@cierradove4999]

Debby Ryan is the only person who reclaimed her meme and did it well

[@sophiecashell5395]

Bad Luck Brian

[@para-yw9dn]

so true she's awesome

[@ecb3828]

Yesss, she handled it great lol, her tiktok abt it gave me LIFEEEEEEE 💀😭

[@nathaliajimenez6067]

overly attached girlfriend too 😹

[@giliyaarendofera3344]

Hide the pain Harold

[@zxincendiaxz]

Describing Vine as “millennial TikTok” makes me feel hella old

[@nithyajoanna2034]

Came here to comment that..

[@TheTaytayExperience]

not even accurate tbh, I feel like gen z was the main demographic of vine

[@XMissGX]

@@ollie3838 Gen z start from 1997 to 2012 the oldest gen z are 23 and youngest is 8 this year. Millennial's start from 1981 to 1996 the oldest millennial's is 39 this year and the youngest is 24.

[@limemayo1741]

Bruh, I was like #420 😭😭😭 incredible moment for me, but yeah same 🥺😭😭

[@DeathnoteBB]

Olivia Galvanek No?? Millennials are called millennials because of the millennia...... Gen Z started in 2000. Gen Z wasn’t even a named generation when Vine was a thing

[@isanalim5938]

Girl this is the first Gabbie video I feel isn’t unnecessarily mean and overly critical. You’re very matter of fact and unbiased and you don’t bring women down on their appearance. Love to see it, subbed

[@Jill-ed7ev]

I also really liked Drew Gooden's review of her poetry book. I have never really been interested in Gabbie, so I just knew people found it terrible without bothering to read it myself. Drew is the first person I have ever heard say something positive about it. Not that he found it a good book, but he does say that it isn't as bad as people make it out to be, that it's mostly very rushed and that she has potential to write something good, if only she'd actually try. Very refreshing to see someone take a stance more nuanced than "book bad, Gabbie suck", even if it still isn't overtly positive.

[@BeanieBabyXx]

I don't like Gabbie but people kinda nitpicked with her music. Admittedly, I don't think her songs are that bad and she has gotten better at singing (the problem is that she screams too much in her songs)

[@jos2074]

@bloodshot tears how is she a bad person?

[@elizabethb4168]

Rachel Oates has made really good videos on her poetry, she doesn't hate on her or anything, she just takes a very honest approach to reviewing her poetry and gives constructive criticism of her work

[@disaceter1130]

@@jos2074 She promoted a shady business to her audience and blamed them for getting scammed. She pretty much told her old friend Jessi Smiles to get over being raped. Her audience attacked and harassed someone who left a joke comment on Gabbie's instagram post and Gabbie dmed the fan and pretty much said "You asked for it." She's not stellar.

[@ashareeuniquee]

She honestly had one of the weirdest internet careers because she’s been in so many scandals yet still had fans but was kinda irrelevant but yet she was so popular. It was kinda like she was on her own side of the internet

[@amandalopes3048]

I kind of believe that that happens with youtubers with lots of subscribers. If you build a big audience for a while and after establishing them you start to get in scandal after scandal, your career won't be shattered, because you build a huge audience of loyal fans even tho you're not really a trending topic anymore. I think that we can put Trisha Paytas and Jeremiah Starfish as examples. Problematic people with a huge and loyal audience.

[@hexes5122]

I feel like every KZbinr has the die-hard stans that would literally try to make excuses for them even if they murdered someone for content. Look at Jeffree Star and Shane Dawson. And if you remember DaddyO5 who actually abused his children for content to the point where CPS removed them from his home, well he STILL had people defending him even after the fact and i think he just moved his fanbase to twitch.

[@dannyryangawthorpe]

abigail flores i don’t really think trisha has a huge loyal audience tbh. people watch her for the meme-ability if that makes sense. her feedback is usually overwhelmingly negative.

[@bitchwormpuddin1499]

OP was just mentioning how her whole career was just.... contradicting itself in a way

[@mrdad-zl9zl]

@@dannyryangawthorpe haha no she has a small loyal fan base though

[@Sophia-ok3zg]

You know it’s serious when the title ends with a period

[@kenzieleigh4628]

The fact you have to explain vine makes me feel old

[@mirandastone33]

"millenial tik tok" took me out 💀

[@jadeymacdonald6801]

And how she said it didn’t have the longevity as though the owners of the app didn’t just remove and disable it

[@ems8717]

@@jadeymacdonald6801 why they did that?

[@Wet-Milk]

@@ems8717 because they were too dumb and didnt put any ads on the app so it was constantly losing money. no point in keeping something that doesnt make money

[@areyoulostbabygorl231]

‘Millennial TikTok’ really hurt me even though I’m literally gen z

[@alenajackdaughter1055]

I really like you. You’re intelligent and thorough but not boring.

[@DancingDevil89]

I feel like sometimes she over explains an example after she's made her point.

[@gothtonyhawk]

@@DancingDevil89 i respectfully disagree, i think what you may consider "over explaining" gives good context and starts discussions about the things shes talking about. it's all personal preference tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@joshisaac9845]

I agree I like her a lot too

[@dannyryangawthorpe]

“if she doesn’t think she did anything wrong, she’s going to tell you” is the perfect description of gabbie hanna.

[@soph2799]

Also worth noting that her thinking she did something wrong is something that never happens 🙃

[@ihavenoname2569]

I also don't think it would be a problem if she was socially or self aware enough to realise what she did was wrong and I think the majority of critisism of her is more do (other than the Jessie smiles situation) with her lack self awareness rather than the initial situation itself.

[@FallingOutOfLine]

49:09, if anyone was wondering.

[@InvisibleTacoMan]

I have no name Nah, I think the problem is most people on the internet lack vital, and very basic, critical thinking skills. Like the fact that the internet functions on the presumption of being guilty until proven innocent, and believing what other people have to say about certain people rather than the source itself. The fact that Gabbie has continuously explained how erroneous certain accusations are, while other times have taken accountability for everything else, yet people like you still can’t seem to understand that you don’t actually know someone’s character from what you see online and you don’t actually know all, if any, of the facts, really exemplifies this. Maybe take a look at your own self awareness.

[@TaraBrooke]

I listened to this as a podcast while I was tanning and GIRL. If you ever get sick of KZbin you’ve truly got a future in podcasting.

[@tacefairy]

Agreed! Just her voice is engaging

[@bellissima78]

What happened to the podcast with Charles?

[@biancadesousa]

Girl why you tanning? Skin cancer says hello

[@ioriiiiiiiii]

wildflower They could be doing it naturally, like, with sunscreen and all. Like, with the sun, it’s, like, the only way I’ve ever, like, tanned or, like, whatever.

[@sundominga]

AGREED.

[@emilybroadstone6683]

I'm sure Gabbie's "psycho roommate" would've appreciated her being more "constructive and done in private"... Just saying 🙄

[@abdullahsiddiqui788]

She never named her roommate tho...

[@InvisibleTacoMan]

animalcrossing_isabelle The fact that Emily has to say “psycho roommate” rather than the actual name of said roommate kinda makes that statement not true, bruh.

[@fox_6174]

Same with the "pathological liar" bf

[@InvisibleTacoMan]

Fox _ Both of whom are completely anonymous, so neither of you have a point here.

[@fox_6174]

@@InvisibleTacoMan Stans tracked her exs social media and sent hate. Saying he was left completely anonymous is just wrong

[@Katie-gr6qq]

Hey, just a 9 months later check in. She in fact, does not get better. It gets so much worse.

[@droolingstar7577]

can't wait for the sequel of this video

[@h29452]

I can't keep up with her (and don't care to) but I saw she kept maniacally tweet feuding with people she worked with on a 3-day show? 2021 is definitely not her year.

[@mudkittens]

“2021 could be the best year of her life” did not age well

[@Darthrena88]

Worse and worse !!!!!

[@catherinedean3796]

oh lord did it get worse

[@devon1777]

jenna marbles was the only youtuber who was able to grow with her audience. true talent

[@soumyasharma7993]

Ryan higa too!

[@luran1397]

pewdiepie

[@simonelliott5804]

i’ve never seen her content but i’ve heard she’s very good!!

[@simonelliott5804]

Lu i thought he was anti-semitic? also he called one of his viewers a th0t i saw it on tik tok so i don’t have receipts :/

[@a.person4761]

Maisie ;-; even though she’s left the internet, her videos are still up. I recommend watching some of them. She’s very funny and very a likable KZbinr

[@sophiearmstrong3455]

Gabbie definitely isn’t a bad singer she just isn’t a great singer either. In my opinion her music is pretty good for “KZbin music” but when compared to “real” singers she isn’t anything special. This combined with her inability to take criticism is what keeps her from becoming an artist outside of the KZbin space.

[@saint9961]

she has a decent voice but her songwriting is mediocre

[@t_ylr]

Yeah like Gabbie can carry a tune, but you would never call her a "great" singer. She's not some amazing songwriter either. Her music is meh. If she wasn't a KZbinr she would not have a music career. I think that rubs people the wrong way.

[@sofypi7493]

she is mediocre which is the worst. not good enough but also not bad enough to be good

[@hippopajamas]

I feel the same way about Gabbie's singing as I do about James. I think both of them have nice voices- if I heard them singing while we were in the car, I would be genuinely impressed and compliment them. That doesn't mean they should jump into music careers. I think either of them have potential with vocal training to become talented, certainly more than me, but they aren't there yet.

[@oliverxhmll]

Having an entirely self funded music career is like me creating a modelling agency and signing myself up even though I'm 5'3. I think Gabbie got way too offended about people not liking her music considering the fact, that she didn't even know how to sing live. She had to take lessons AFTER releasing her music.

[@christinadamon9818]

Debby Ryan’s reaction to the radio rebel meme is like the perfect antithesis to gabbie’s reaction to the monster meme. Debby posted that tweet saying she trained under the girl in the goofy movie and then left it alone until she made that tik tok recently clowning on herself with the “what I would wear” trend. That was the perfect way to handle the meme, whereas gabbie just put herself in a bad place edit: I’ve never had more than one like on a comment omg thank u all

[@jadumb]

i saw that and was like omgggg she did the thing

[@ceecee6608]

Yeah I died when she did the thing 😂

[@grimace204]

I totally agree. She didn’t spend too much time on it and left it alone and didn’t try and combat the mere with blaming the internet. Whereas gabbie tried to profit off of the meme and dragged it out so long until it wasn’t funny.

[@seemsfishy23]

Shows the difference between people under the guidance of actual publicists bc they’re part of the mainstream media VS acting on their own ego and as their own publicist bc they’re a youtuber working on a less legitimized and less regulated platform

[@politeasshole499]

Similarly, when Kylie tried to make merch out of the “Rise and shine” meme, she received some backlash telling her she’d ruined the joke. I love Debby and liked that meme and she handled it well.

[@arnettrabaker4872]

I’ve never watched a minute of Gabbie Hanna’s content and I still found this video engaging and fun; well-done!

[@pixlfinch1091]

Same

[@21Parmesh]

Literally we just controversy hunting 😂

[@oomay1925]

I'm surprised you only *brushed* through the kenza cosmetics scandal. I think that scandal was detrimental to how the public really started to see her. She didn't just shift blame onto a mic or a company or anything, she blamed her own fans for falling into her sponsored promotion and it broke a lot of trust of her own fans as well as seriously soured how others viewed her.

[@smokey_glow]

Oh I completely agree, I just tried to gloss over stuff I had already made a bunch of videos on! It’s good to know in the future to make things more in-depth 😊

[@SS16000]

lol **brushed** i see what you did there

[@astamanista9447]

mAnAGe yOUr eXPecTAtiOn! If only she can take that advice to her artistic talent.

[@Hollithkate]

Tbh that is what made me completely have a shift on her and made me dislike her incredibly. Ever since she has been literally awful as a person

[@jimenamereles1462]

You're absolutely right, by the time the Kenza cosmetics video came out I was already kinda tired of her content and becoming aware of how shady she was with some stuff, but that video was the final push I needed to definitely unsubscribe from her channel lol. To this day I'm baffled at how poorly she worded that video

[@dannyryangawthorpe]

she never claimed her poetry book was satirical/parody until it got criticism. she never claimed satalite was forced by her team until it got criticism. she constantly lies so she doesn’t have own up to face that she just did something that’s bad.

[@new0news]

Yes, and she is annoying in that she truly thinks that she is selling these other artsy things because she is "good" at them and not because she has a dedicated fan base that will buy anything she makes. She wouldn't make it as a singer without a youtube fan base and her poetry was the worst shit I've ever read in my life.

[@robinmitchells]

Rachel Oates’ latest video on Gabbie’s poetry made a really good point about that: it’s not art, it’s just merch. All these stans are making the excuse of “oh she only wrote the books for her fans and if you were a true fan you’d get her messages and hints and blah blah blah” and it’s just like, okay, if it’s only meant for fans of her it’s just merch. She should have just released it on her own personal website or through Etsy if it wasn’t meant for the greater public. But because she wanted the spot on the New York Times bestsellers list (which she was VERY vocal about in videos leading up to the release, very much saying the quiet part out loud) that’s why it got a mass release.

[@new0news]

@@robinmitchells That's such a good point.

[@maddie.bolland.7]

@@robinmitchells Absolutely, that's an excellent point! I love Rachel Oates' videos because they are so eloquent, she's fair with her critiques, and she always backs up what she says.

[@new0news]

@ArianaGrainde What's your point? The poems and stuff are shit regardless of if people want to make claims up. The actual products are their own proof.

[@shbeebop]

Can you do one on Colleen ballinger I’m honestly so confused about what happened w her

[@daleydiggs2554]

What are you confused about?

[@e-linamarie]

Shelby Bock honestly same, idrk what happened from like 2017-now w her😂

[@shbeebop]

Daley Diggs she was like “canceled” a while back but it seemed weird since she’s always been so family friendly, but I’m not really a regular viewer of hers so I just thought it would be interesting to see an in depth video on how her content has changed over the years

[@camcat26]

One thing that happened is she was sharing too much personal stuff with teenage fans. It didn’t seem predatory, but it was different kind of inappropriate.

[@kathryn.r]

@@camcat26 yeah I think she had good intentions but they got a little too private for a kid. She owned up to it though and didn't make a super dramatic apology videos which I admired

[@oliviahanchuk5536]

Let’s not forget when she “wrote” the poetry book full of other people’s tweets and poetry for a milk and honey ripoff

[@kiwihue]

i thought she had nothing to do w that

[@starfiresreign]

Hold on youre telling me that low effort garbage WAS STOLEN

[@therealjim]

funny how when it came out no one was hypercritical and they loved it but now theyre comparing her first published body of work to very experienced poets.

[@starfiresreign]

@@therealjim i remember when her first book came out and when she announced making it showed her sketches i was like oh thats really cool and I assumed it was gonna be really good like a year or more later I read some of the poems and my opinion changed alot.

[@therealjim]

@@starfiresreign then why has the only criticism come after her scandals. if the book is really that bad, people back then would have said something.

[@samsoftball77337]

Gabbie isn't being shadow banned her content is just irrelevant now lmao

[@Morgan-ni3mu]

Exactly 💀💀💀

[@mywatchdoesmath4669]

Too bad she hasn't gotten the hint

[@bonk895]

@@ew6605 no, being shadowbanned is when your content is no longer shown or your channel. when you looked up her name, her channel and her videos popped up. drama videos popping up isnt being shadowbanned, not being on trending isnt being shadowbanned, like, nikkie tutorials was shadowbanned in which when you looked up her channel name, it did not show up at all, another youtuber who had been hacked was shadowbanned, her videos did not show up to her subscribers unless they had a link and her channel didnt turn up at all

[@jjjjj4787]

And I OOOOP 😂😂😂

[@lissaw4]

@@ew6605 that's not what shadow banning is though...

[@aj6338]

Can you do one on “dead” KZbin channels like Hannah hart, Tyler Oakley, Connor franta, zoella, etc? Also what happens when a channel “dies”? Does the person go back to a normal job? What if they don’t have a degree (dropping out)? What do you think will happen to everyone after youtube, inevitably, “dies” as a website/app?

[@venus3173]

They will just live on their earnings I would like to assume they had planned smart and gotten a personal accountant the second they started making a substantial enough amount of money! Sucks if they didn’t imagine running into tana working at subway lol

[@emmyrip8615]

The people that own “dead” channels seem pretty smart and like the other person said, saved. The new gen I dunno tho aka tana jake etc

[@Xx-nm5pn]

I think Connor Franta is doing just fine and he’s been doing things outside of KZbin but tyler oakley and zoella is definitely struggling

[@youruncleolaf4694]

Zoella doesn’t seem to be struggling at all, I just checked and her channel Zoella has 11 million subs and Zoe Sugg has 4 million.

[@ababy5334]

@@youruncleolaf4694 Pretty sure most of those subs come from fans back in the day, who forgot about those channels and, as such, forgot to unsub.

[@Riviwriter]

Something else to add about the joke stealing scandal: Gabbie Hanna copyright claimed the videos criticizing her, and tried to have them taken down (which I believe they eventually were, while her video remains up). She was bullying smaller channels while outwardly pretending she was happy to address the issues

[@astamanista9447]

@Tootie Ramsey And she had the NERVE to complain to youtube for suppressing her channel/videos when she pulled stunts like this. She really needs to take several seats on the back before talking about youtube and their horrible treatments to creators.

[@shannon4446]

She now copies Chris Delia CONSTANTLY. Surprised nobody has ever called her out on it.

[@shannon4446]

She doesn’t know how to be original

[@mushroomshrub]

Watching this in the middle of the Great Gabbie Meltdown of 2021 is very interesting, the points about apologies and not taking criticisms especially. Gabbie sure seems to view an apology as a magic reset button that absolves her of all responsibility for her actions and any damage she may have done to her personal and/or professional relationships through them. An apology doesn't mean that other people are gonna like, like you again after the things you've said to them. It doesn't automatically invalidate criticism. You can feel bad about something but it still happened, and she truly doesn't seem to understand the gravity of that.

[@devons.3481]

"The Great Gabbie Meltdown of 2021" is honestly such an apt name for this, couldn't have put it better myself

[@brinka7918]

I think Gabbie got so comfortable with having a steady audience that she cannot understand that people might just get over her and her content

[@laisespacini9208]

the video where she "addresses" the criticism on her poetry is probably the worst video of her career tbh. she says she accepts constructive criticism, but did not watch ANY of the videos that were made of her poetry because they were just "mean" when she is a youtuber and understands that a title "gabbie hanna's poetry is bad" is more attractive than "making constructive criticism on gabbie hanna's poetry" lol. she also mentions how she takes constructive criticism from her family and friends, people who are already CLEARLY BIASED TO HER i just can't lmao

[@radioactivechihuahua2781]

the "and thats ART baby" part of the video made my skin crawl

[@erica1800]

I also didn't like how she kind of put down the Iliad, or Shakespeare as these are works no one wants to read. These works have lasted over centuries and their creators are long gone but they're still remembered and taught today. She should have some respect for that kind of legacy.

[@tanya4196]

She said the people who critiqued her book just didn’t understand it and weren’t reading between the lines and looking for the deeper meaning while in the same breath saying it’s a “parody”, light, digestible read that isn’t to be taken seriously. That video was a whole ass mess 🥴

[@mikaelat.6275]

Erica Beato it was such a terrible argument too. The Iliad and Shakespeare have lasted BECAUSE people liked them and wanted to read them. If we didn’t like them, they wouldn’t have lasted and no one would have noticed if they disappeared

[@erica1800]

Mikaela T. True! I mean I learned both the Iliad and the Odyssey and plays of Shakespeare in high school and I’d take them any day over her “poetry”... smh

[@honeybeesnbutterfliez4219]

In my opinion, the largest factor in her loss of popularity was definitely her “I’m sorry, BUT” attitude with each of her scandals. If she actually took the opportunity to learn & grow from each of her wrongdoings she would probably be in a very different place. I loved the video, Hannah!

[@haileejacob1995]

Noire Snow Gabbie? Is that you?

[@honeybeesnbutterfliez4219]

Hailee Jacob BAHAHA

[@mynameis_bex5863]

Can we talk ahout Troye Sivan. I feel like he successfully broke from the KZbin realm and into mainstream music.

[@infinitusfinitus]

Wait he was a youtuber?? I only know him as a musician. Guess that proves your point.

[@mynameis_bex5863]

@@infinitusfinitus Yes! I was obsessed with him. He used to be super popular back in like 2012 and would often collab with Tyler Oakley and Zoella/Joe Sugg.

[@TexTheBest]

I mean Justin Bieber was originally a youtuber

[@mynameis_bex5863]

@@TexTheBest yeah but Troye didn't only do covers/music. He did q+as and tags

[@jessicatombleson167]

I didn’t even know he was a youtuber!! I just thought he was discovered and blew up in mainstream

[@raeganlewis9723]

we need this series on iiSuperwomenii !!! that’s a crazy content transformation!!

[@smokey_glow]

That’s such a good idea!

[@BhashwatiDutta]

Yes please!

[@burneraccountforthewin]

@@smokey_glow Maybe 2 parts for Lily? Pre-Late night and post late night because there's alot to unpack in both

[@Sl1mch1ckens]

@@burneraccountforthewin and mention the olay ads, seeing lily promote skin care my mum uses is a bit weird.

[@mj-yo7vt]

Absolutely! I was watching her for years and now it's unbearable

[@MCR262]

I feel like we should also talk about her dynamic with her fans where she turns to them for validation and reassurance in her actions (when it’s clear as day that they’re biased). She also TELLS her fans to “do what they feel is best” in regards to anyone who criticizes her aka giving them permission to attack and send death threats to people. She’s the biggest hypocrite yet plays the victim more than I’ve ever seen on this site

[@momedusa]

Yeah that whole helloleesh situation was ridiculous. She also brought her bf into the convo but then didn’t even let him have his own opinion cuz before he knew what was going on, she was already explaining it to him in her frantic way

[@MCR262]

@@momedusa Right?? She lied about her entire interaction with helloleesh and purposely tried to make her sound and look crazy. It's especially sad and evil because Gabbie pretends to be a mental health advocate.

[@nikkijen8138]

100% truth.

[@purplelamp273]

I don't really care about any other scandal (I do kinda care about the Kenza cosmetics one because it shows she just wanted a cash grab - but it doesn't boil my blood) other than the Jessi Smiles situation. There are threads on twitter of REAL screenshots of Gabbie saying horrible shit she still claims she did not say. That level of narcissism is Trumpian. Not only does it mean her stans will still bully Jessi and call her a liar and a clout chaser for attacking her, but if I was Jessi, it would hurt me being that gaslighted. And as a survivor of SA, it hurts me seeing someone gaslighted like I was.

[@minuishaq631]

Love the phrase Trumpian

[@WishIWasBouguereau]

The issue with her talking about being 'shadow banned' is that the creators that are actually being shadow banned are talking about BLM and LGBTQ+.

[@pjs4663]

I'm kinda confused? Does that mean she can't talk about being shadowbanned because others were? I'm not trying to defend her anything, I'm not a fan, this is a genuine question because i don't know the whole situation.

[@lana-xl3nl]

@@pjs4663 it was proven that gabbie was never actually shadowbanned, but she was claiming she was because she wasn’t getting as many views as before. I think greta is saying that people don’t get shadowbanned for any reason, but for talking about specific topics that a lot of people view as “political.” I don’t use youtube that much, but that’s most likely accurate considering KZbin came out with that feature that lets people block lgbt content in the app settings

[@pjs4663]

@@lana-xl3nl Ohhh I see.

[@h29452]

@@lana-xl3nl People can block those topics in their settings? GROSS

[@Evergreen2219]

@@h29452 I think they’re referring to how the parental control features back in 2017 “inadvertently” targeted videos that were LGBTQ focused. It seems to be fixed now but I’m sure it still flags some of them.

[@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz]

I think the person that did the best transition from youtuber to musician is Troye Sivan. Edit: I'm talking about KZbinrs that did OTHER content first. Not people that posted their music on KZbin and then were discovered.

[@ksenia2933]

Shawn Mendes as well

[@ElizabethNicoleSchwartz]

@@ksenia2933 he wasn't making like regular KZbin content though as far as I know. He went from vine covers to releasing music.

[@coffee7374]

Yes and Alessia Cara

[@sabrina-gabrielfreeman3574]

we stan our south Africans 👏🏼👏🏼

[@yoramenraps1011]

And Joji

[@TheJackieOsvaldo]

joji, troye sivan, and conan gray are ideal examples of youtubers successfully going on to pursue a musical career. but they’re on a whole other level in terms of how they sound, lyrics, and themes, which people like gabbie and james charles lack. they’re just basic singers- not too good, not too bad, just... average imo. i don’t think they’ll ever get anywhere outside of doing singing videos on KZbin

[@natashagarcia9203]

I've never heard of any of those people

[@TheFullmetalkayla]

also tessa violet!

[@TT-ig7tg]

Natasha Reeves do you live under a rock??

[@shanfartpoop]

Natasha Reeves Also Dodie!

[@sillystringeater]

@Mary Anne KO I think joji is a pretty good and well liked singer, however I do agree with the fact everyone tends to discredit her work because of her antagonist role in the KZbin community

[@justasmalltowngirllivingin8453]

Gabby is like a high school friend. The kind of friend who never got over high school. Where you ate talking about adult thing they are still taking about what went down at prom....it like girl that was. Years ago move on

[@KylaJames]

just a small town girl living in a lonely world this is so accurate

[@anniediaz4638]

Wait so a KZbinr made fun of Gabbie, she then made a joke about him to his face, he physically assaulted her and broke her phone, and then went online and made fun of her again and THEN people took HIS side? You’re kidding. How fragile can you be that you can’t take one joke about yourself without getting physically aggressive and yet are so ready to make fun of others??

[@bethanyhartzell1360]

The rice gum situation was weird to watch unfold live. Rice gum was wrong but gabbie also dragged it out past the point of people taking her seriously.

[@SS16000]

yeah i wouldn’t call breaking someone’s phone physical assault lol. both people are in the wrong.

[@imwaytoshort]

He broke the phone but he didn't assault her. She shouldn't of lied about something that didn't happen. I have never been a fan of rice gum but nobody deserves to accused of something that isn't actually true.

[@moonlightmemories959]

didn’t she have scratches and stuff though??

[@amazingkeems7967]

i mean if you watch his video addressing it, idk if it was taken down but it should explain everything.

[@bobemmadoodles6913]

i think she's having trouble realizing that she's having/had her decline. I dont think she fully realized that, like every youtube career (eventually), her's will fall Edit: omg thanks y’all for all the likes!! I’ve has this thought for awhile lol

[@johnnyappleseed3875]

Emma I agree. She also thinks really highly of her own music which yeah sure that’s fine have confidence but she doesn’t accept the fact that a lot of people also dislike it. Same with her horrible poetry book.

[@faithfox8851]

I think her problem especially is that she doesn’t understand that every youtuber rises and falls in terms of views. there’s times where your views are low and where your views are high. at this time, her views are low, and she refuses to acknowledge that it’s because she’s not making videos that the algorithm likes🤷🏻‍♀️ the only people who want to listen to her music imo are her stans. and instead of acknowledging that her videos are not what the average youtube watcher wants to watch, she blames everyone else ie. youtube shadow banning her.

[@sandrae2398]

@@faithfox8851 I agree. Plus her content currently isn't what her subscribers signed up for. They wanted stories, and she shifted so much. You can tell she doesn't even enjoy it anymore, she even said it herself. It's concerning to see how she won't even consider that maybe people just don't like what she's putting out.

[@faithfox8851]

who knowsss 100% agree

[@kuritheking]

And many youtubers decline and bounce on back! It's too bad she has a shit attitude about being critiqued

[@wtaffam]

The issue with her book wasn't just that it was half-assed it was blatantly plagiarised? Half the content I saw people highlighting was stolen tweets and tumblr posts... I dont know if anyone has actually gone and tracked down the source for a lot of them but anyone who's been online for half a minute had seen some of the content in her book already.

[@emojee6289]

the "poetry" book literally says: -link in bio

[@TT-ig7tg]

God the lack of effort🙄

[@justkibby5959]

I was a big fan of hers and considered buying that book because I write poetry too. I would've been absolutely pissed off for spending my money on that. It's basically a mockery of poetry and I absolutely infuriated me.

[@multifandomharlot]

@@justkibby5959 it's the way i used to be a huge fan of her around the time she published that book and my dumbass bought it 😭 now idk what to do with it, it's just collecting dust on my shelf

[@AspiringCrybaby2018]

multi-fandomer put it on eBay and get that coin. 😂😭

[@itsalysssaa]

remember when gabbie told us all that we were just reading her poetry wrong and didn’t get the point of it because it was meant to be “childlike” but never mentioned that fact before she got tons of criticism for it being terrible 😌😌😌 she could teach a class called gaslighting 101 & rewriting the past

[@valeriemorales7893]

"it's supposed to be fun and silly" "look deeper for the meaning" "I'm talking about serious topics and I worked really hard on this" "some of these poems are just thrown in cause I ran out of time to write"

[@tanatswa7122]

Valerie Morales So so accurate. She was constantly flip flopping.

[@KPVoice]

I would watch the crap out of an "Evolution of Jenna Marbles" video

[@katyr2382]

There is one:)

[@paigeronald3813]

Literally have had the most stressful day ever, an hour long video is exactly what I needed!! 🙌🙌

[@kawaiikoibito3268]

Yea I love a good video from Smokey

[@shannonperez3779]

Didn’t even notice the time until I read your comment!

[@lenablackwood1637]

Hope the rest of your day goes well sis ❤️

[@raeganlewis9723]

preach

[@jenpierce1106]

Same girl! Hope you’re feeling better!

[@andreas_iced8297]

"Tyler Oakley or Hannah Hart" God, hearing those names after all this time is like getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.

[@edenp.1123]

It was a simpler time

[@BabyLogarius]

Maybe ora'd?

[@minervaavalon]

after all this time 😭

[@ddc8888]

Wtf even is Utube today? Oh God I'm old.

[@Just_Julia_]

I only know Tyler oakley from escape the night season two...so what happened after that?

[@maureentreynor104]

I really like this video because you painted gabbie as a person, whereas the impression I get from other channels is that gabbie is this manipulative villain.

[@jaclynmccosker]

It's rare people remember she's an ordinary person trying to navigate serious situations with millions of people watching. Pretty sick of videos just framing her as a Disney villain out to skin people's dogs or something.

[@maureentreynor104]

@@jaclynmccosker Right, like there are obvious things gabbie shouldn't have done, but that doesn't make her the worst person on youtube. I don't follow or support gabbie anymore, but that was my conclusion to come to. crazy.

[@jaclynmccosker]

Maureen Treynor I’m only following her because I heard all this stuff about a KZbinr who sounded like the devil until I finally had a look at her videos and looked into the accusations and realised there was some cyber bullying going on... a lot of the commenters I was believing had a loose grip on reality. I also see so much misogyny aimed at her for things like “fishing for compliments” as if that would make someone a bad person? Honestly can you imagine having your own imperfections, mistakes and negative character traits blown up to comedic proportions and made into news? Few of us would make it through the same scrutiny.

[@maureentreynor104]

@@jaclynmccosker for sure, i do not support bullying or harassment toward anyone. I just hope gabbie learns her lesson from her past mistakes and takes strides to be better, and i hope the views will give her the time of day.

[@hannahwinfrey6930]

Ew she may be a person but she is def a weird ass perv talking about having sex with minors? Pretty sure I've never joked that way....but go off sis. 😂💀✨

[@itscristyhere]

I can't stress enough how perfect this analysis is! Totally respectful, informative and logic. What an amazing take on a topic, subbed

[@kayladawn5270]

I watched Gabbie back when she was doing story times, and she reminds me a lot of Tana. It's very sad how both of them went from being upbeat and fun to pretty unwatchable because they just keep getting involved in scandals and don't take accountability.

[@kaylaeichholz]

Hello, fellow Kayla Dawn 😂🌹😊

[@mariedevan]

That’s because their real personalities came out.

[@kinsey751]

Lol funny story- I sent gabbie a book I'd published a few years ago because I was a fan of hers and Yolo etc. I lost interest in her content after but then a few months ago I tried watching some of her cleaning videos, saw my own book on her bookshelf, which was kind of exciting until she immediately got rid of it in said video lol I then unfollowed out of crushing embarrassment and am catching up now. But it's so hard to weigh what she is in my mind compared to everything I'm hearing now.

[@peonylarkspur645]

That is...wow. I would’ve felt sick to my stomach if I had to watch that, I’m so sorry

[@kinsey751]

@@peonylarkspur645 at the time it was kind of rough. In fact in the video she pulls it out and goes "What the hell is 21st Century Gothic?" and her camera guy just says "I don't know a font or something" then I saw it in the donation pile. Like, it was nice she kept it that long, but it made me weirdly embarrassed to have to watch her thought process as she got rid of it lol If I'd still been a big fan I'd probably have cried

[@Leftnip_]

I defs can see why youd be sad about her getting rid of your book. To you it meant going out of your way to acknowledge your love for her, but, to her in that moment she was decluttering, which is something every adult does. It must have obviously meant something to her for her to keep it in her house for so long, especially in a place that it would be seen by others. It likely was a loved object by her. I also agree that i dont think gabbie hannah is a bad person, so i dont believe that she woykd purposely throw your book away to hurt you. Shes probably got alot of stuff from fans. It would be hard to keep it all

[@kinsey751]

@@Leftnip_ yeah I mean I didn't think she was a bad person for it at all. It's just weird to see, like watching someone get rid of something you got them for Christmas. It was just weird to have to see

[@qifreys]

@Kinsey what is the name of the book? I’d like to check it out.

[@katherinerinck3722]

I was never a stan of GH, but I did enjoy her storytimes. I would say I was a casual fan. The pivotal moment that turned me away from her was the Guy Tang situation, where she did a video of going to him for a hair cut and color. She did him so dirty by clickbaiting her video "Hair Cut Disaster!" with a thumbnail of a hood over her head. She had told Guy to his face that she liked the cut and color and that he did a good job. Then she got home and made a video that made him look bad. I couldn't believe it. Then when she started getting heat for it I thought, surely she'll change the title or thumbnail, or tell us he was in on it, or SOMETHING. Nope. Nothing. She didn't seem to give a shi*t that she did that to him. That was the first time I saw that sort of character pop through and it really soured me towards her. I also disliked that she blamed her reaction to his haircut on her anxiety. I can't stand it when people do that. Like, sure, trusting someone with your hair can be challenging for someone with anxiety. But anxiety didn't cause you to clickbait that Guy Tang's professional skills are lacking to the entire internet. And then act like it's not big deal. Nope, miss me with that sh*t.

[@mickeyn482]

I totally forgot about that. It made me so upset because guy tang so clearly loved doing hair and making videos about it and it was so disappointing to see her just straight up bash him

[@xwinoxrhinox]

yes, i remember that! gabbie had always given me a bad vibe but i couldn’t put my finger on why so i kept trying to give her a chance but that video was it for me. it just seemed like she was willing to potentially hurt Tangs career for click bait and it’s gross. also alllll of her videos were egregiously clickbaity at that time, like they had NOTHING to do with the title and i was pissed off that she was wasting my time.

[@leslier7350]

Yes..This experience was werid..she said she liked it then she didnt? Could she have changed her mind? Maybe but making and posting the video she didnt have to, im also not sure what she was trying to do with that and if the anxiety thing was true but everything could have been done differently..even if she didnt like her hair..it was like this werid drama/idk the truth is with that..

[@leslier7350]

Also the werid suppose thing that he was in On the title of the video?..

[@potato-whiz]

I thought I was the only, this was it for me, too. She was so bratty and privilege and just straight up rude with that whole thing. And he was really nice about it and fixed it. If she’d just told him on the spot she didn’t like it, after telling him to just surprise her, it would have been so much better. Or even just called him the next day to ask him to fix it. But she turned it into a story time and just completely threw him under the bus. It just showed me who she was as a person. Bad look.

[@DXZVD18]

“I don’t know if 2021 will be the best year of her career.” Me watching in 2022: 👁👄👁

[@bluiwi]

lol and i'm here watching in 2023

[@doll_irl]

​@@bluiwi I'm here in 2024😭😭

[@mychannel5614]

No one has said this before, so I'll say it now. Gabbie Hanna is a real life version of Trina Vega from Victorious, in every way possible.

[@ethanbrown6188]

OK but Trina was iconic and probably the best character in the show while gabbie is.... Not

[@tired4252]

Sand Box uH yEs she WAS- cHICAGOOOOO-

[@lanie7569]

I GOT CONFUSED W TRINA AND TORI I APOLOGIZE

[@dee-zd9we]

Ethan Brown this is jade/cat erasure

[@Gravve01]

At least Trina was funny 😢

[@alpacalypse4552]

hannah: taking criticism is a big part of being- me: an adult hannah: -an influencer me: well probably that too

[@robinmitchells]

Well I think we all gave up on ever holding Gabbie to the standard of acting like an adult lol

[@teacupglitterinfested1525]

Tristan Parades is who Glow is talking about here. He does a wonderful job. I’m sure she stopped working with him because she can’t take criticism.

[@nerdythespian1212]

It could be that, it could also be voice lessons are very expensive and depending how often she was going, it could really dig into her budget for other things. It could also be, while he helped, maybe they weren’t clicking as much as they needed to progress further in her vocal training. I speak from personal experience as a vocalist. It’s hard to find a vocal teacher that fits your needs completely. And as you get better, you need a teacher who can help with the more minute details of singing.

[@teacupglitterinfested1525]

Caroline Slater those also could be the case

[@lemonblesssed3753]

He worked with James Charles as well and same kind of thing. It seems like you tubers can’t take his constructive criticism (which he seems nice about so it’s not like he’s super harsh)

[@Boysoundtechniques]

I just love how this girl literally had an objective perspective without insulting or even being violent to Gabbie, calling her names or even laughing at her. She did it right, informative and clear. No need to make her look bad, at all. Loved it.

[@evaintrouble7583]

Take from a studio vocalist - Gabbie’s voice is technically fine, and it’s admirable that she went and got a vocal coach to improve. But yeah... there’s no artistic spark in anything that Gabbie does. At best, she would be a fun karaoke partner. But given the sound of her voice, and literally just her terrible temperament, she will never cut it in the music industry. She takes herself entirely too seriously and has essentially surrounded herself with yes men. She acts like a diva and no one in the music industry wants to work with someone who can’t take valid criticism.

[@jadedheroine]

she can't even control the volume of her voice

[@haloban7384]

Idk I used to dislike her music until I got to her newer work.

[@evaintrouble7583]

Lex GH can do “quiet” and “loud.” I honestly thought maybe she was trained that way, but then I saw a live recording of her where she’d supposedly improved a lot and I realized that... no... she just thinks that’s how you express emotion through singing. By getting louder.

[@koraps]

Agree. Also practice and study is everything. There is famous people with way less gifted voices than her but they studied the craft and learned to sing good. Honestly if she takes music so seriously she should study music, get trained, practice and she would see so much better results with her singing. Also getting an actual music producer and manager would not hurt her either. But yeah, focusing her energy where it needs to be if she wants to brake into the music industry.

[@audreybea4013]

Honestly I wonder what you would think of my voice. I’ve never really thought of if it has a spark or not I’ve just thought I can sing like hit the notes and everything and idk now I’m just curious

[@andreaceleste2664]

I stopped watching Gabbie after the Kenza Cosmetics scandal because she didn’t apologize to her fans and was trying to make it seem like it was our fault. The way she reacted reminded me of toxic relationships I’ve been in and I had to unsubscribed because I can’t handle people who have to rely on manipulation to maintain a relationship

[@happybatty5142]

I never really heard of her until I heard about that scandal, so I was like, "Wow this is shitty" and never watched anything of hers

[@mellyr2584]

Gabbie hannas problem is that she’s just not self aware

[@kindasorta123]

The fact that it didn't cross her mind that she was not getting as many views because people don't care about her content anymore and instead assumed KZbin has it out for her is a big oof. Like read the room sweetheart lol

[@AmyAberrant]

And on top of that she has a fragile ego

[@kate-ne]

I had stopped watching most of her stuff for a while but the reason I unsubscribed from her was because when she started dating her current (?) boyfriend, their interactions were so cringe and made me so uncomfortable lol.

[@alexamandes8872]

I could literally listen to Hannah talk about anyone and anything. She is so good at explaining these types of situations so unbiasedly and she’s so good at putting a different perspective on why people do what they do

[@reyalsfoswodahs]

I’d love to see a video like this on Jenna Marbles. Her career on KZbin, ups and downs, content analysis, channel analysis, etc...

[@jess9722]

jenna got better. i remember she used to be angrier when she first started out and i think it was because she was in an unhappy relationship with Max. Then they broke up, she started to rediscover herself outside of a relationship and eventually she met Julian. Overall she became more chill.

[@nerdythespian1212]

I would love a video like that. I think it would be super interesting especially because Jenna is an OG youtuber.

[@DiegoLeggo]

YES!

[@WeWannaRockAllNight]

I miss Jenna’s content so much

[@girlgenius2543]

Jess i agree. I think Jenna in the beginning of her career was angry and unhappy in her life: she had a master’s degree but worked as a go-go dancer, she was young and immature, and she self-admittedly had a lot of internalized self-hate towards women and other men. She grew up, and got better over time, and met Julian and became a much much better person but it took years and it took growth.

[@lucisullivan]

This low-key makes me sad because seeing how much her content changed (and in my opinion, degraded) makes me remember all of the youtubers I used to love that are now so unrelatable and unappealing to me. Not that it's always a bad thing to change, it just makes me nostalgic lol

[@samsoftball77337]

yes!! I was thinking the other day how much I miss the old days of KZbin with Tyler Oakley and Dan and Phil and when things were far more simply and the platform wasn't so saturated!!

[@hexes5122]

This made me sad too! I use to love Gabbie so much. Even her first apology vid could be overlooked if she had actually started growing as a person from it.

[@kaitlinrenee7572]

Ahhh same. I miss those days of KZbin.

[@ScarletBegonia1974]

Gabbie Hanna is the perfect example of “when someone shows you who they are, believe them”. She has shown people time and time again that she is self serving, selfish and entitled. I’m choosing to believe her.

[@arlssss]

Devi true, but her actions and reactions to the consequences of those actions is what rubs people the wrong way :/

[@mayab9102]

as we say in writing, show don't tell

[@elenaskantzou832]

@@DarkAngel71180 The reason why we are taught not to believe everything we see on social media is because influencers/KZbinrs are exposing a very small part of their lives, so it is easy to put on your best self for that short amount of time and give people the impression that you are a perfect little snowflake of love and kindness. And yet, even though we see "short, edited snippets of her life" (during which she should be putting on her best self, like everyone would), Gabbie still manages to come off as self-centered, self-serving and manipulative. Even on those few minutes of exposure, that she knows people are gonna judge her by so one can only assume she is being careful, she is still exhibiting horrible character traits. I think it is safe to assume, she is actually being worse behind the scenes. Plus, some things aren't just "biased KZbin drama". Being friendly toward your former friend's rapist and then trying to cover it up by saying there is no proof of you doing it, isn't just drama. It is absolutely disgusting behavior and a huge insight as to who Gabbie really is.

[@StyleSteals]

I feel like I am listening to my fav cool professor at uni who somehow can make the most boring topics super interesting and life changing

[@tylertyler3214]

this was such a kind way to discuss everything, no malice or hate in your words

[@burneraccountforthewin]

Bless her because Gabbie adn many people Smokey Glow talks about don't make it easy to speak in a civil manner. It's also a skill that many people don't have

[@NicoleUntch]

Gabbie’s music was always way too specific... there’s a reason most artists don’t say what every single song they write is about, so people find their own personal meanings. Her new songs are actually good, but knowing it’s about Gabbie bitching about her haters is off putting

[@rachelwharton4245]

Super good point.

[@Yusoo8]

Exactly you never hear The Weeknd or Sia talk about their haters or meanings to their songs

[@ashf6055]

I completely agree. I actually enjoyed her first EP but her latest one really comes off poorly given it’s so clearly centered around her recent YT drama. I think I would maybe like it a bit more if I didn’t know all of the background and the songs were just a bit more generalized in their meaning.

[@Kaastengels]

Tbh.... A particular popular boyband does this too but I'm not gon say it

[@vfam.4308]

I agree. I liked her other music. especially butterflies and medicate... but yeah the new songs are way off putting.

[@hmmdera2976]

This girl is just so interesting and satisfying to listen to. She knows how to do her thing so freaking well

[@nordette]

Shes kinda like a white, female version of D'Angelo Wallace

[@bam0928]

Honestly how do you not have like 5 mil subscribers?? You’re so level headed and fair about this whole situation. I’ve ended up watching everything regarding this and you’ve given the most even, best history of this without being nasty, but also not allowing her to get away with poor behavior.

[@nellynelala]

Watching this video i noticed a pattern that gabbie can't handle the internet. Although she's been creating content for years, it's weird that she can't adapt to trolls on the internet and just brand everyone as a hater. She takes herself too seriously and that's what is stopping he from ever fixing her reputation. The Kenza cosmetics scandal was really a cultural reset on how people look at gabbie. Anyways thankyou for this video smokey! I know you have headaches from your lights, i hope you had a good rest after filming this video.

[@elizabethstormont645]

What I took from this: Her career would be wildly different if she had a PR person

[@livinginredsoxnation]

It almost sounds like she’s going the Tanya Burr route. She thinks she’s getting too good for KZbin and that she should be seen as this serious writer and musician, but she doesn’t have a thick enough skin to put herself out there. She knows that once she puts herself out there, people will be able to criticize her (even constructively) and I don’t think she can handle that.

[@soccerbopper124]

I completely forgot about tanya burr. remember when she tried to start an acting career?

[@jamarsh09]

Bingo I wish she would listen when people tell her that professionals take criticism and use it to improve Like I'm not a fan but if she really wanted to succeed she could if she just learned to take criticism

[@saggguy7]

She wants to be taken seriously as an artist without doing any of the work necessary to become a good artist

[@heidiol4194]

I totally forgot about Tanya Burr

[@clickhere2d1e]

She's absolutely trying to go the Tanya Burr route. Gabbie once admitted herself that she's too sensitive to work in the entertainment industry. Yet she still pushes on trying to make herself seem like a real musician. It makes you wonder why she keeps hurting herself like that even after she realized that it isn't healthy for her. That's what makes her mental breakdown so hard to sympathize with for me.

[@promiseimnot3moohwaithowma721]

I'm really impressed with this video. The setup, the pace, the tone of voice, it all kept me interested for an impressively long time. Honestly, my attention span is pretty short and yet I checked and just watched 40 minutes of content like it was 5.

[@shaynapickett9908]

Same! Didn’t realize how long I’ve been sitting here

[@janelane92]

KZbin stardom is so fascinating because the platform catapults young people into stardom and business ownership, without them having matured and without any sort of management. Not that age is always indicative of maturity.

[@skrittle555]

there was a video titled "gabbie hanna doesn't know how to take criticism" and i swear to god she posted a screenshot of it on twitter and called it a "hate video." like bruh you and the point are on different planets lmao

[@ollieshark]

That high note in "monster" isn't very high imo, unless she's not a soprano (i've never listened to her music so idk her range). It sounds more like she just hadn't warmed up and forced herself to reach it by overcompensating on the volume, thereby blowing out the mic. If you're singing right, a high note won't blow out the primary mic.

[@smokey_glow]

I agree.

[@jakegrear]

she does have a very low range, one of the lowest I've heard on a female. she's definitely a low alto almost tenor. hope this helped :)

[@TurtleAbby1161]

she said that it was a stylistic choice?? and how she can get the note without the volume but really wanted it to sound like she was yelling

[@jessica23claire]

I just pitched the note, it's only a B4, which is barely an octave above middle C. That's pretty average for an alto or mezzo soprano.

[@haileerolofson9495]

I don't think its that its a high note, it's just that it was written to be loud and belted and she hasn't learned how to belt well consistently

[@chantelfindlay8181]

Can you do an updated video on Gabbie Hanna, particularly how she's been acting on social media as of late, using her platform/"fame" to take down smaller creators

[@sahasrak6821]

She has! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGjPZayMYpyCsJI

[@sarahhollywood3811]

Lately all gabby has done is caused everyone to ask for mental health for gabby.

[@nikkilama2335]

You didn't address the Jessie Smiles situation. I definitely think that played a big part in her reputation - at least in the youtube community.

[@sue8412]

She does at 38:02

[@Victoria-cg5np]

Hannah Arisu the Jessie Smiles situation does play a part in her career. Especially KZbin Career. and it did affected her reputation and her as a person

[@MsFreakyPeace]

Just wanted to comment the same thing. I know Smokey briefly talked about it but I think she glossed other the whole thing pretty quickly. It was the Jessi situation that COMPLETELY put me off to Gabbie and I lost so much respect for her after that.

[@jaclynmccosker]

I came here specifically to hear about Jessi Smiles! It was her claims about Gabbi that decided Gabbi's reputation forever. Gabbi was so screwed by that situation I don't think people would even change their mind if it was all proven false in a court of law.

[@yungtokyo7941]

eveli Same! well I was never a fan of Gabbie, more so indifferent, I thought she was annoying with her scandals (because she always escalated things instead of just owning it and actually growing from it) but the Jessi Smiles situation is what me say “wow Gabbie’s trash”

[@sevenandaswitchblade]

There are a lot of comments discussing how she isn’t a bad singer, but not a great singer, and the thing is that you don’t have to be a great singer to make it, honestly. I think it continues to come back to the fact that she, herself, has garnered such a negative reputation, her music is a bit too niche and feels more like musicals than something that could be a radio hit, and she doesn’t have the same marketing ability that she did when she had more positive traffic and friends to push the content.

[@zowchii]

i agree. she doesn’t relate to generation z bc we see past her bullshit and her ego is so huge at this point no one wants to listen to negativity like that

[@justkibby5959]

Kesha is a good example. Not really a great singer. Very auto tuned. But had a very explosive career. Up until recently. She's probably just working on more music. Her "praying" Song was the 1st time we heard her voice I think. She needs more music like that. Gabbie is trying to hard to be trendy, she's not being herself.

[@zowchii]

Just Kibby kesha is a beautiful singer actually, it’s just her style requires auto tune.

[@paigeeffinger3666]

The first time I ever heard of gabbie Is when Jessie smiles did her video “exposing” her and then I did a deep dive. My first impression was how incredibly unprofessional it was to DM a fan like that, and how she broke the very thin line between influencer and fan dynamics. Influencers/KZbinrs make their money off of building a pseudo relationship with their fans. Their fans trust them, believe them, and know a lot more details about their life than a typical celebrity. It’s a friendship, but there’s also a thin line and interesting power dynamic. Your viewers are NOT your friends and Gabbie took advantage of that with the girl she was messaging

[@oceandelver]

You nailed the rice gum situation, it really did change how people saw her. Sad that the focus was if she was lying about being hit when regardless he broke her phone and it was a physical altercation. I don't really like her but that's such a shitty situation to be in.

[@MissCaraMint]

While that is true, the fact that he unprompted did pay for the damage and the fact that she genuinely seemed to have been basically harassing him does matter. Honestly people would probably have been on her side if she had been honest about this. The discussion would probably have been more about how even if someone is harassing you you can’t just respond with a disproportionate amount of force. Hell Gabbie could well have said she didn’t realize how much she was bothering him and the discussion might have been about how not everyone can pick up on social cues and how communicating effectively to someone that they are bothering you is the way to deal with things. Because Ricegum was genuinely wrong. Unfortunately Gabbie ended up shooting herself in the foot in the way she went about telling the internet about the situation. She basically lied to make herself look better, when she didn’t have to. People don’t like that kind of thing, and it completely overshadowed the initial situation as a result.

[@nereidfromneverland]

when gabbie started to complain about being "shadowbanned" and her views going down i was honestly shocked because it was EVIDENT that people lost interest in her, i myself enjoyed her content so much but after all the drama and all her "apology videos" i was just tired of her, i can't look at her the same way and like even tho i love jessi it's not necessarily because of what other people say about her, it's because of how she responds, and in the last two years she started to create this personality which revolves around having a mansion and being so successful and being so kind so perfect so happy, never in the wrong, "can't bother about drama", "everyone is a bully i dont deserve criticism". i genuinely can't stand her anymore, i simply didnt click on her videos even though they were sometimes recommended to me and i feel like many other people feel the same way.

[@kate-ne]

Yessss this sums up my feelings too. I finally unsubbed from her late last year. I loved all her cleaning stuff and was excited when she got her house. But it was impossible not to ignore her cringey response to every criticism or drama that came up constantly. And then I saw her "shadow banned" video on my suggested feed and couldn't help but roll my eyes because, girl, people are just moving on from you. I like her friend Irene though and her content.

[@Sannnwich]

Honestly me too,i stopped supporting her but yeah..

[@Sannnwich]

I just hoped that gabbie try to dont care now about people

[@Sarah-lv6jx]

Yeah, I had already lost interest and when I saw her saying that I was like ????

[@RubyBlueUwU]

Hearing her accuse KZbin, the platform, of “gaslighting” her is like....horrific, like it feels like a perfect summary of the mentality of these people - it can’t be that people just aren’t interested, she must be being *emotionally abused by a social media platform*

[@MartinaGiovese]

Honestly, I feel really sorry for Gabbie. Ofc not excusing everything she's done, bc I don't think she's anywhere near innocent. But I think she has some genuine problems that she needs to address with some intensive therapy before she can have a stable online presence. Every time she has another controversy, it apparent how she hasn't worked out these issues. Her emotional outbursts, breakdowns, manipulative behavior, gaslighting people, lying, rollercoaster-ing between absolutely loving people and hating people, being unable to take criticism, always making herself out to be the victim, etc. Whatever the underlying cause is, I hope she gets the support and skills she needs to live a happy, healthy, fulfilling life.

[@rachelwharton4245]

It seems to me that the best first step she could take is to just get off the Internet. For.. a while. It’s clear to see that her feet have taken departure from the solid ground that is reality, and she needs to get back to it. Trying to picture the world from her eyes, it seems like it must be an extremely scary, hurtful place. She’s become so hypersensitized to malice that she’s starting to see in a great many places that it doesn’t exist.

[@ethanward1251]

I agree and it’s sad that both she and other people have not noticed this, she has now deleted all social medias which I think is the best choice for her. I just hope she can come back in a year or two and be a completely different person.

[@TurtleAbby1161]

i’m pretty sure she was in therapy but stopped going because she thought she was done? she used to talk about being in therapy quite a bit but at some point that stopped and everything went downhill

[@farwakhan4423]

I agree with this!

[@new0news]

@@rachelwharton4245 Yes!! There are also a few youtubers who I feel like would do better if they moved away from LA and to a more laid back town and did more relatable content. She is one of them that I think could really benefit from that. These youtubers move to LA and get into this highly competative scene and all become vegans and lose a ton of weight and get plastic surgery. Not that there is anything wrong with any of those things I just think it is coming from a place of constant pressure from competing with everyone else in LA and not from genuine places of growth.

[@sarahdykhuizen5501]

Gabbie’s poetry and music gives me “This is art cause I made it” vibes, and as someone who is heavily involved in the art community at her school, I’m staying away.

[@mariaakaannie6138]

I used to love Gabbie, but it is like you said, she seemed more and more unable to take accountability and criticsm. I wasn't extremely young when I started following her, but I was still a teenager, and as I grew older Gabbie's defensiveness also became clearer to me and in turn also less likeable.

[@levi_bernhardt]

wow this was so well put together! we stan

[@hoodwinkedhamster6687]

Yas

[@sandysanderson1894]

Leviiiiiiii

[@yuhgetintoit3190]

Omg hi king

[@LocaChoca]

My observation on her and her career is that she is the common denominator of all the problems in her life. She seeks any sort of attention whether positive or negative. I've followed her since Vine, and despite her content evolution, she as a person has not. She is just as emotionally immature now as she was in her early twenties. What was excusable, growing moments then are exhausting and aggravating now. Blaming the system is just excuses.

[@rachelwharton4245]

Well said.

[@lacrymosarosewolf5948]

Yes!! This! All this!!

[@rachelwharton4245]

Devi um ok? 😶

[@LocaChoca]

@@DarkAngel71180 Please add your insight Devi. I'm not a psychologist. Perhaps you can elaborate, or add something more useful. I was a casual fan of hers for a few years, but grew tired of her content and attitude. The recent JessiSmiles event was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

[@lindsaylaughs9440]

Personally I don’t know if I believe she changed into a negative, cruel person, sadly I feel like sometimes people try to hide their true selves and eventually overtime it just comes out. I feel like maybe she was always like this and with age and enabling from fans etc it probs got worse. The stuff with Jessi hits home and I just can’t with GH

[@W.Rain.]

I think that doing a "psyco-roommate" video on a private person without yt while their environment knows of her yt channel was cruel.

[@new0news]

Ya...something about her personality always rubbed me the wrong way and as time went on and more "scandals" happened it pretty much just confirmed my feelings. She seems like the kind of person who doesn't have the emotional maturity to feel true empathy. It's like she can't get outside of her own feelings and understand what other people might feel like. Even in the cases where she was legitimately wronged she doesn't ever admit to her side of things. It's like she physically can only experience the world through her own emotions. Like how a little kid will run into someone and get mad at the other person for being in their way.

[@jasminem812]

to me she's always been very self centered. I watched her a lot during her storytime era and i kinda always thought she was at least aware of this trait and trying to be better i guess? i think she does recognize this in herself to an extent but i think all these scandals have added a defensiveness to that self centeredness and sensitivity and it's created a persona that is really kinda hard to like, at least as a public figure. I get why she's the way she is now but it's sad to see, especially because i want her to be okay mentally and emotionally. Honestly i just dont think her personality is suited for something like this

[@DearSparklesTV]

she's always had big mean girl vibes. I remember a moving vlog of hers where she's like making her friends compete with doing her favors to determine who's her best friend?? and honestly it was so cringe and awful. that's just one example.

[@sierrahargrave]

on the ricegum drama, at the time i really appreciated how she only went to phillip defranco to cover the story, whereas ricegum went to multiple drama channels. i think that was a good move.

[@Wildfrizzmonkey]

I actually watched Gabbie during her "honestly" phase, and I generally liked her. But the more I watched her, the more I realized she had a tendency to blame her shitty behavior on trauma instead of dealing with that trauma and then whenever she was called out, she would deflect and lash out rather than taking accountability. Like yes, trauma and mental health may push you to be shitty, but that doesn't mean that you are excused for your poor behavior. I stopped watching her because I'd just see her be kinda mean to people or make stupid business decisions. And i'd wonder where her manager and or publicist was, because if she had hired one, she had hired a bad one or wasn't listening.

[@natashagarcia9203]

She did play the victim a lot but since she's been going to therapy she's been able to realize that and I will forever pull through for her

[@lilac1922]

She pulls the trauma card for herself but she doesn't empathize with other people. Like she was talking shit on Jessie for taking antidepressants which is such bs

[@laurenmcguinness1412]

@@natashagarcia9203 No ✨

[@natashagarcia9203]

@@laurenmcguinness1412 what do you mean no

[@laurenmcguinness1412]

@@natashagarcia9203 I mean you just said that you will forever pull through for her despite the fact that she openly and quite often gaslights her own fans, became friendly with her friend's rapist, is a massive narcissist i.e trying to make BLM about her and oh it's just so sad she's shadow banned. Like, gtfo

[@cailinanne]

Vine was murdered because it couldn’t be monetized 😭

[@Rubyef]

capitalism at its finest

[@insomniaczombie8942]

I'm glad it died, that platform was just filled with hyper-cringeworthy "influencers" same goes for musically and tiktok, fee-yuck

[@kerri6011]

@@insomniaczombie8942 you just had to find the right side that suits you, same with youtube and every other social media platform

[@new0news]

Their algorithm also SUCKED by the end of it's run. There would be literally one good vine and all of the top Vines were just famous people doing dubs of the vine. The other top videos would just be from the Hollywood and Vine people who all moved in together and made really shitty content. It was so bad by the end you couldn't even find good new videos at all which made it's popularity tank. I know Tik Tok has other issues but their algorithm is one million times better.

[@EricSun777]

@@insomniaczombie8942 Ok but what does fee-yuck mean? is that a new platform lol?

[@oliverxhmll]

Having an entirely self funded music career is like me creating a modelling agency and signing myself up even though I'm 5'3. I think Gabbie got way too offended about people not liking her music considering the fact, that she didn't even know how to sing live. She had to take lessons AFTER releasing her music.

[@hoodwinkedhamster6687]

Devi its true that many singers take lessons well into their careers. However i think the point Sv Vr is trying to make is more about how gabbie was entitled in thinking that she could just start her own self funded music career despite having no prior training, and then was super offended when people were like uh this isnt very good

[@nomanejane5766]

@@DarkAngel71180 he didn't give an explanation of what a self funded music career is, he used a metaphor to DESCRIBE her music career. Taking vocal lessons while yes ur investing on improving ur craft, it isnt the same as paying for everything & self releasing your music independently.

[@djungelskog2738]

I was one of Gabbie's fans who aged out of her content. I aged out in 2018 like you said a lot of the people who were there from the start did. I loved her so much. I would spam like all her posts to be Showstopper Of The Week (a fan shoutout she would do at the end of each video), I had a fan page for a bit and she even liked my comments on KZbin a bunch of times. So, it has been really disappointing to see what she has done since I stopped watching her. She went from a person I could have looked back on fondly to someone I wish I never supported in the first place. Especially with all the recent things she has done.

[@sapphiresky124]

You're much fairer and nicer to her than I feel. The way she's flippant about sexual assault, how she just throws away friendships, onto how she would rather blame all of KZbin than admit her views are decreasing makes her seem like an actual nightmare of a human being. She seems incapable of empathy and introspection.

[@sarahsugersarah]

i was surprised how nice she was towards gabbie at the rice gum situation. she did lie about being hit for dramatics... it was a bad situation for both parties but what he did was bad enough why say he hit u? hm

[@thatweirdboy]

sams5 she actually never lied about that , she clarified later that when she said “hit” in the snapchat story she meant it as “he physically took my phone away with a force” which is one way that the word can be used. But most people (bc of her reaction ofc) took it as assaulting her. But in her video addressing the situation she said it wasn’t “beating” more like physical force like smokyglow said.

[@thatweirdboy]

sams5 and also u can hate gabbie to the core but the ricegum situation can’t be gabbie fault AT ALL.

[@sarahsugersarah]

@@thatweirdboy i saw her response. i thought it was a little like.. why say hit? when u go this guy hit me it paints a picture.. i just thought it sounded like bs. and i dont think in the situation it can be just rice gums fault either as simple as that would be.

[@sarahsugersarah]

@@thatweirdboy i do think the situation is an assualt and objectively rice gum is the bad guy and looks worse. but its also not ok to say a guys hit u when he just didnt. it felt like what gabbie tends to do and expands the truth a little to get views.. it couldve been her reality idk but shes not faultless either. no one deserves to get their shit destroyed but people can get in huge trouble saying someone hit u when they grabbed and destroyed ur phone. it heavily implies a lot

[@SheenaReine]

Vine died because they didn’t want to pay their creators.

[@ellymac6173]

Gabbie has big "other girls were mean to me in high school and I never got over it" energy

[@izzy332]

Elly Mac UwU even though I now hold influence over people I’m always the victim 😔 criticize me and I’ll take it as bullying TvT

[@puffball4484]

I mean bullying is abuse and that can cause real trauma. But if that's the case she needs to seek help.

[@squidthekid2335]

I FORGOT ABOUT THE VOICE COACH THING OMG! That guy is literally so funny and sweet but he is HONEST because thats what he does?? And he had negative critiques about the monster performance (duh) and she was soooo mad about it for the longest and in her attempt to own the meme she had him come teach her for a video and seriously he was giving her LIFE HONEY and she clearly still had some weird feelings about the situation and sadly (but clearly in Gabbie fashion) she didn't pursue it any further and if I recall correctly he was all for helping her! That situation was almost the icing on the cake for me. Probably one incident later was when I finally unfollowed. Xoxo

[@Nosillamp]

Yes! Tristan Parades! He gave her great tips and critique but she was NOT TRYING to hear it and became bitter, party of one

[@squidthekid2335]

@@Nosillamp YES!! Thank you!! I couldn't remember his name! I used to watch him occasionally but haven't seen him pop up in forever so I had forgotten. I appreciate ya. & lol for REAL though, Gabbie should have called her CHANNEL "bitter, party of one" bc it fits a lot better than "the Gabbie show" considering most shows are entertaining and we all know how that went for ole Gabster. Xoxo

[@rubyzlan]

SQUID THE KID Tristan put a puase on KZbin for about seven months but he's BACK NOW! Check him out 😉

[@Nosillamp]

SQUID THE KID haha-EXACTLY. She was so awful about his help too-she isn’t a drop humble and really thinks her singing is so great she needs zero tips. Hookay Gabster. She’s not funny either. At AWWLL

[@Nosillamp]

Ziyu Lan I love his reaction videos

[@Gengarbread]

Re: The Gabbie and Ricegum situation, I feel like they were both in the wrong. I mean, by no means did Gabbie deserve to have her personal property grabbed from her hands and smashed, but she also had no business invading Ricegum's personal space and filming him when he did not want to be filmed. However, I do remember the general treatment of Gabbie after the fact being particularly brutal and unnecessarily, and I think you're right that the aftermath of that drama was pivotal. And if it was obvious then, it's extremely obvious NOW that Ricegum isn't a very nice person, so it really frustrates me a lot that Gabbie got dunked on so hard for that situation.

[@HonorWillow]

Also it already was assault so not to diminish what happened and say it wasn't, but it's totally reasonable for someone who's already been abused to unintentionally exaggerate an assault because it's obviously a triggering situation

[@HonorWillow]

My point being so many people think she intentionally blew it up and lied and went over board with it all (when any assault is bad for one) but also I don't think she intentionally exaggerated what happened

[@corajosie9556]

I guess so but ricegum agreed to do a diss track together and then after she did her diss he threw her phone on the ground which is really weird

[@thingsnstuff2934]

I think a lot of people forget that Gabbie posted a Snapchat prior to the Rice Gum interaction where she crows about going to confront Rice Gum because he is controversial and she needs a scandal (something she did with the Curtis and Trisha situations which took place before and after but in the form of tweets). I am not saying assault is acceptable, but Gabbie IS manipulative in the fact she knows exactly which buttons to push to get the reaction she wants out of people, and purposefully goes after controversial people to minimize the blow back on herself. She just got overtly confident and stopped trying to hide it.

[@foofung9961]

@@thingsnstuff2934 no, we all know they had beef before hand. It was clearly a joke. She didn't expect it to end like that. Stop reaching- she ain't megamind.

[@tylercyrus]

This video is telling me so much that I never knew about her. I would support you doing more of these analytical videos on creators

[@laurenpaige8493]

Gosh Smokey's pondering on where GH goes from here really hits different after all the Escape the Night stuff went down this week.

[@skelelizzi]

The drama around Gabbie and Ricegum was she made it out like he hit her. She made comments about him holding her neck, touching her neck, pushing etc.. People at the party explained that she lied. He did touch her and throw her phone but she was taunting him (This doesn't excuse that but it explains the reaction). From smaller scandal before Gabbie was known for lying/ exaggerating. I hate riegum and his backhanded reaction but lying about someone hurting you like that could have caused a bigger reaction. Gabbie has always been around, near or the center of drama. It always feels like she wants it but when it happens she plays the victim. I don't know her personally but from how her personality changes, the people she hung around and what those people have said it shows she might not be a great person..

[@lunarbunny8098]

It does sound like you’re trying to excuse the people who took the side of someone clearly in the wrong. Weather she got hit or not like she originally claimed doesn’t matter because he still got in her face and damaged her property. And I think because there was very little time in between what happened and when she made the video on it it makes sense that being shaky and mixing things a up a bit on the words. Even if she had waited then made that claim and acted like she didn’t do anything wrong though she still shouldn’t have gotten the backlash that she did because he was the one who attacked her physically. That’s not something you should do in general. I don’t like gabbie Hannah and I didn’t even know who she was when this happened but I remember being so upset that people were taking ricegums side.

[@skelelizzi]

My main point was she lied about how bad it was. Multiple people at the party said that Ricegum was trying to get her phone, not punching or slapping her. Obviously, she was shaken/ taken back because he was a little forceful. Lying about being assaulted (As she made it out to be ) is so wrong. This incident wasn't the main point people have. It's that she lies about everything. This was just an example of how petty she could be. If it sounds like im taking Ricegums side/ the 'haters' side im not. I'm just making an opinion on the information given to me. Ricegums reaction was also petty. Him raising a hand and forcing her phone away and then breaking it was dumb. Especially over a stupid joke. Gabbie shouldn't have egged him on and then lied about being hit. Ricegum shouldn't have reacted so poorly.

[@solaris2886]

@@lunarbunny8098 I'll preface that I dont who ricegum is or have actually seen his content but after watching the whole thing live, its pretty clear that the situation started off with her harassing him in the first place. Like after he refused for the 5th time, it might've been time to stop the joke, but she continued to take it way too far. If you look at the chain of events, the entire root of the issue is Gabby intentionally going over there to mess with him, not to say hi or chat. If she had gone over there just to greet him or asked him to play along with her video, none of this would've happened. She very clearly provoked him and now wants to play the victim, I mean that's entitled, immature behavior from anyone not just Gabby. Plus lying about him assaulting her makes her look like a trash human, he might've destroyed her property but he didnt hurt her. He also immediately sent her 2000 to compensate breaking her phone. At least he knew he reacted poorly, Gabby still wants to pretend that she did nothing wrong.

[@ash-kb9cd]

It’s that one podcast where is was yelling and screaming “she’s the victim” for me

[@Blueeyeslies]

As someone who only became aware of Gabbie Hanna’s existence during the Jessie Smiles scandal and then was only reminded of her again watching Rachel’s excellent critique of her poetry, this was super interesting. And helpful to see where it all started!

[@kjeracarroll450]

Very organized and fluid! One thing I would say about the rice gum and gabby is that she should have paid attention to boundaries and not be in his face. However, he should have never touched her/her phone. It wasn’t right! Great video!!

[@uncommoncarotid]

“That was probably the worst way she could’ve handled that situation” ok but mood