The Evolution of the Super Star Destroyer

[@Bludvarg]

Little known fact: While it was believed Snoke's ship was named the _Supremacy_ , it was officially designated the _Compensation_ .

[@imperialsecuritybureau6037]

Bludvarg haha I see what you did there

[@connorross4571]

Hahahahaha, nice one. I see what you did there.

[@aerophine_66]

My man @midgetydeath... you didn’t get the joke🤣🤣🤣

[@kittmarmion6885]

Big ship for a little bitch.

[@nursemark447]

that was funny. because he had a little light sabre right?

[@JaelaOrdo]

You know what would be a good design for these super star destroyers? A-Wing proof bridges

[@tba113]

Yeah. Command bridges hanging way out on the surface of the ship is a vulnerability pretty much all Star Wars (and Star Trek, for that matter) ships have, and it is totally avoidable by the simple expedient of putting the bridge near the center of the ship. It's not like they don't have dozens of bridge crew whose only job is to monitor sensor feeds from all over the ship anyway. And it's not like this problem is unique to Imperial designs, either; Leia's "Mary Poppins" moment in TLJ was due to a single starfighter's strafing run on a Mon Cal ship's exposed bridge. I remember there being a passage in the novelization of the game Halo, where Captain Keyes is silently cursing art-department ship designers who put aesthetics above practicality: with ships that run to kilometers in length, it's not like windows would actually help navigate the ship, or provide targeting data, or do much of anything useful, really. Instead, they mostly just provide the enemy with a convenient (and often glowing) weak point to hit for massive damage.

[@Mike-mt4ln]

Usually the shields would absorb all damage from a ram. The executor went down because the shields were down

[@BungieStudios]

@@tba113 In Halo, the Covenant keep their bridges in the heart of their ships. They are well protected, but a well placed MAC round will kill the ship and its bridge, shredding it to pieces. It also grants a large, center mass target. Without the MAC, the Covenant are near invulnerable thanks to their incredibly strong armor. The Bridge will be the last section alive in that case.

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

A-Wing proof bridges? What a foolish idea! You mean we would admit being afraid of such puny craft? Imperial officers lead from the front and are ready to risk their lives, not hiding inside a ship! If we would admit being afraid of the enemy tactics, we would look weak! Looking weak is of course much worse than being weak, we rule by making the enemy fear us, not fearing the enemy!

[@ethanworner864]

Put the bridge in the center of the hull

[@Dark-Lord-Of-The-Sith]

When I first saw The Executor in the theater back in 1980, I fell in love. In my mind she is the perfect ship.

[@shingojira6612]

Same

[@dasmilyshelf6999]

(42Y later) When I then saw The Supremacy in the theater in now in 2020, I fell in love. In my mind she is the perfect ship. By The Dark Lord of The Sith 2

[@thecatalyst6212]

@@dasmilyshelf6999 the last Jedi came out in 2017

[@synapticdragon2157]

I agreed till I saw the Andromeda Ascendant ... but the Lusankya is a close second

[@thecatalyst6212]

@@synapticdragon2157 for me my top 10 are 1. starhawk class 2. Xyston class 3. Eclipse class 4. Viscount class 5. executor class 6. venator class 7. malevolance class 8. resurgent class 9. providence class 10. mc 85

[@chaosvolt]

In all honesty, seeing both the Executor and the Supremacy's respective introductions highlights the...underwhelming presentation of the latter. Look at how you have a bunch of star destroyers, already established as dwarfing and looming over another ship in a prior film, slowly being utterly eclipsed by the shadow of something massive. Then you have a bunch of ships appear out of nowhere, capped off by "wide load comin' through boys" in a perspective that seems underwhelming in comparison. Rogue One does things better, so it's not just a "newfangled Star Wars ree" sort of thing, as they made the Death Star look like an *absolute unit* just from having Star Destroyers sitting there while the main weapon is being put into place.

[@simon6157]

Absolute Unit

[@AlexanderDraconis]

One of the best uses of that phrase.

[@demi-femme4821]

How I would've intorduced the _Supremacy_ is as follows: We open on an ISD flying through space, casting its enormous shadow on a nearby planetary body. Then the ISD gets eclipsed by the larger Resurgent, and the two are shown in a wider shot of a large fleet to really contrast them and show how the FO evolved in those 30 years of hiding. Then, a Mandator IV eclipses multiple ships, and we see Canady on its bridge, ready to jump to hyperspace. Then, as they go to leave, the Madator IV gets eclipsed itself as Snoke rejects a strategy proposed by Hux and orders him to carry out the original plan. You can't even see the entire _Supremacy_ yet. You only see that it swallows up a massive swathe of fleet.

[@Sn1ffko]

@@demi-femme4821 Kind of shit. Epic storytelling wise but lorewise it woulnt make any sense

[@lordfrostwind3151]

The Supremacy is a fascinating concept, a mobile factory, training center, research facility, shipyard and command center all in one. Such a ship could be used to supply and arm an army and fleet away from the eyes of your enemies and during war act as a mobile staging ground deep behind enemy lines, like a US aircraft carrier on steroids. Why on Earth you would use such an important strategic asset on the frontlines to chase down a fleeing enemy, especially because it slows down your entire escort fleet preventing them from accelerating and easily destroying said enemy is a level of stupid that makes anything the Empire ever did look brilliant by comparison.

[@bryanleslie2617]

Lord Frostwind just like unsc infinity

[@demi-femme4821]

I blame Hux. Why? I blame Hux for every problem with the First Order. It just works.

[@saltysnowflake5832]

Lord Frostwind It’s because of Snoke’s incompetence and over-arrogance in believing that the Resistance was doomed. Also because it’s a movie and it looks cooler to have a 60 kilometer-long ship looming over them.

[@Burning-Twilight]

Snoke and to an extent Hux underestimated the Resistance and just how desperate they would be to escape aka Holdos Jump.

[@adambielen8996]

I really like the concept of the Supremacy but it was just wasted like everything else in that "movie".

[@ragnarcroughs2784]

What if we make a star destroyer... smokes blunt.... but bigger.

[@bloodraven1190]

Ok Palpatine.

[@gilbertrodegeb5401]

Same as Apple with their iPhones.

[@dominicviner6619]

Lollllll

[@anondescriptbullet]

*snokes blunt

[@sorcererberoll4641]

ragnar croughs duuuuuuude

[@starsilverinfinity]

Next up, 10 Reasons why the Empire Needs a Super DUPER Star Destroyer

[@liamwhatever7146]

StarSilverInfinity ‘All of them pointing to Disney’s need to make everything bigger than the original trilogy’

[@starsilverinfinity]

Liam whatever _comming soon to Episodes 10 - 12_

[@TheRezro]

@@liamwhatever7146 No it was Empire politic, what also was one of the reason why they fall fighting with lesser forces, as they ships were build as showcase of power what lead to numerous flaws in design exploited by Rebellion. It you wouldn't be pretender you would know that 0_0

[@jeromekhies4948]

we need too have it too hide for a good reasonnn.

[@stonks6616]

StarSilverInfinity episode 9 is the last

[@Jimmy1349]

I the words of Thrawn anything larger than a ISD II is waste of resources puts to many good officer's in one place. Example when the Executor rammed into the Death Star it crippled the imperial navy because so many of the best and brightest of the next generation of officers died.

[@andrewlyon4495]

Nah, all the smart officers never got near the Executor and Vader's "promotion" policy

[@janossos8620]

But an SSD are 13 times longer, and 6 times wider and at least 2 times higher than an ISD. So have 150 times the weight?(Even 100 timer are Canon i think) An ISD have 36000 crewmember. 156 ISD have 5.6 million crewmember, one Executor have only 279000...Thrawn himshelf are still correct! 100 ISD are a great defensive platform, and also could performs multiple attacks in multiple places in the same time. But SSD-s are great attack platforms-and sucks in defensive operations! If you attacks an Galaxy with an SSD, the enemy ISDs are in multiple systems, you only faced few in one time, easily kill them, and reatreats before the reinforcemens arrive. If the galaxy was attacked by 100 ISD, and the defensive forces are just one SSD, the SSD just trolled around...

[@imperialsecuritybureau6037]

James Burnett Thrawn is stupid then and doesn’t understand that larger ships pack more firepower and more power output into a more lightly crewed space. 1 Assertor is equal to about 400 ISDs in power output (thus shielding, firepower etc.) but probably only needs 300-500k crew... meanwhile 400 ISDs would require... 16,000,000 crew! And by the time 400 ISDs took down the shields of an Assertor you’d have already lost 133 ISDs, or 5,320,000 crew - which is an absolutely stupid waste of resources. Thrawn was a great tactician and had a very sharp mind, but he was absolutely awful at procurement and I think that his words are just Timothy Zahn’s ignorant bias; not what Thrawn would actually say.

[@Jimmy1349]

@@imperialsecuritybureau6037 how many systems would subjugate one with SSD or 40 with the ISD

[@TheRezro]

@@Jimmy1349 That guy called Thrown stupid.. no future comment needed. He also transparently ignore fact that new models of ISD also used less crew and large part of that were ground forces anyway.

[@pscully1969]

The Executor will always be my favorite Super Star Destroyer, partly because I am partial to the original trilogy. It's dagger like aesthetics and overwhelming sense of megalomania make it one bad ass mass of space tech. That being said, there was more than enough space on the bridge area (not even counting the superstructure) to pile on scores of turbo lasers, heavier guns and ion cannons in forward, ventral, and aft positions (plus the "up" and "down" positions, keeping in mind they they are out in space) and better defend the command center. When you think about it, any small section of the ship could be as heavily armed as most warships. I don't think power would be a problem, as the reactor was supposedly almost as powerful as a small star. Perhaps its main flaw was plot weakness. :)

[@thestanmorris]

5:14 When you forget to edit out that retake

[@demi-femme4821]

The only dreadnought I would use would be the Bellator. They're fast, durable, and able to project force equal to several ISDs. Unlike a larger SSD, the Bellator doesn't need a massive amount of protection and can be used more flexibly. It's Thrawn's Rule embodied.

[@MisterLongShot_Official]

You should credit Fractal Sponge with his artwork, in my opinion....

[@TheIfifi]

They should probably have stuck with the Bellator class dreadnought. Big enough to engage fleets of Star destroyer, small enough to be mobile. A very balanced dreadnought ship that manages to cut the 3 corners of firepower, armour, mobility. Ultimately though, they would probably be better of with just ISD's. Add point defences and give the fighters some survivability and you have a VERY dangerous fleet.

[@MagicSpud]

Agreed. The Bellator was big enough and well-rounded enough to eat ISDs and Mon Cal Crusiers for breakfast. Anything beyond it was kind of silly.

[@TheIfifi]

@@MagicSpud It's the good old saying. "Good enough is good enough." Perhaps one of the most true concepts of war.

[@janossos8620]

Maybe an Assertor or Nemesis-if you need a small scale mobile superlaser, and you dont like the First Order siege dreadnought idea.(Nobody likes that, even First Order itshelf...we have just two dozen useless anti starfighter guns but only in the upper surface...why???)Or, the Mandator IV was an anti SSD ship? Like IRL Stug III was an anti-tank vehicle...So a great defensive platform, but a very poor offensive one...

[@hosmerhomeboy]

The thrawn doctrine over the tarkin one. Less focus on ISD II's, more balanced ship compositions, fewer dreadnoughts and no death stars, instead invest the money in more fleets of smaller ships and better fighter bombers, like missileboats and tie defenders. Keep a core fleet of the odd SSD and some ISD's as the big hammer.

[@TheIfifi]

@@hosmerhomeboy Thrawn described in the first Thrawn novel that he considered the Death Star a huge mistake and that he would rather have spent the money on Imperial Star Destroyers. Might just have meant "The Imperial Navy" but yeah I agree that he would have focused more on a balanced navy than capital ships.

[@schaddalton2506]

Ok, you did it. My sides are in orbit at the very unexpected cut of Dooku taking Anakin's arm spliced in with the homerun shot. Kudos.

[@spartanx9293]

1:30 unless an a wing flies into the bridge

[@HolyknightVader999]

Once the shields are down, of course.

[@FreakShootA]

What bothers me is that an x wing could destroy the shield generator sitting under a shield that's designed to withstand turbolaser fire!? How!?

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@FreakShootA Actually, it takes more than that. You have to have an entire fleet weaken the shields of an ISD before the X-Wings or any other fighters can have a shot. That, or the fighter has to use an Ion Cannon to weaken the shields.

[@jeromekhies4948]

aikadeLi dane

[@spartanx9293]

@@HolyknightVader999 yes i am well aware

[@michaelmckinnon431]

Star destroyers were always my favorite as a kid, especially Vader's. Thanks for doing this vid.

[@borris3768]

I went to school with you

[@michaelmckinnon431]

Prove it....... What school?

[@KuDastardly]

Dreadnoughts are double-edged swords. They can inspire the morale in your forces, but can also demoralize them if a dreadnought is destroyed, just like what happened to the Executor at the Battle of Endor.

[@simonreynolds1518]

Cheers Guys, Another great break down, size does matter, but then again the bigger they are the harder they fall, especially if there's a A Wing near by.

[@liamwhatever7146]

DATMemeboi you mean a purple haired eco-feminist as allan once called her!

[@anthonyvita886]

@@liamwhatever7146 Indeed

[@user-ro1cs5hp5e]

8:06 what was that baseball game doing on this video???? lol :P

[@acefire0005]

P cj rewind a few seconds before it heheheh (look at Count Dooku)

[@DIzzFOo]

Dooku knocks it out of the park, with a smashing palm force push!!!!

[@feddie138proof5]

Yea. It took me a few rewatches to get that reference. That was a good one.

[@jaredlopez3392]

Bro it’s Bartolo

[@thecatalyst6212]

the flat earth's put it there to symbolize the earth is actually hollow IDK

[@victorbruant389]

3:09 Pillar of Autumn

[@capitaohectorbarbossa9172]

Actually, a Alsakan vessel from around 12.000 BBY.

[@spartanx9293]

i wish

[@GenerationTech]

good eye!

[@apfelschorle1988]

Yes that's a total ripoff

[@victorbruant389]

@@apfelschorle1988 I think it's hard to find a ship design that hasn't been used yet. Wedge...check!,...triangle...check!, sphere...check!, cube...check!, cuboid...check! ;-)

[@Tar-Numendil]

The bigger the better! I saw a concept drawing of a ship called the Leviathan class Star Dreadnought that is 57,000 meters (57 kilometers) long. That's exactly 3 times larger than an Executor class Star Dreadnought. I have also seen a ship called the Imperium that is 145 kilometers long and another called the Goliath that is 260 kilometers long.

[@ghostttriddder]

Interesting

[@DarkArsinal]

Last place I'd expect to see baseball footage would be a star wars video...

[@Director_Orson_Krennic]

I think they are a decent idea, just the modern Imperial dreadnoughts are lacking in anti-starfighter capabilities. I get that they are supposed to be a part of a fleet, but every unit in the fleet should at least have short-range self-defence weaponry. Sure there will be the dedicated long-range anti-snubfighter ships, butbevery ship should have the ability to defend itself in a pinch.

[@imperialsecuritybureau6037]

Director Orson Krennic yes it doesn’t take much power draw to slap a point defence turret on to the hull... it’s a very cheap solution to a potentially very expensive problem. These turrets are hundreds, sometimes thousands of times weaker than the big turrets, so any ship could feasibly make space for at least a few of them. The ISD-II could afford to have hundreds.

[@XmartiHUNx]

If anyone is interested, you can found some of these images on Fractalsponge. Because not including sources is heavily discouraged.

[@shep9231]

I had a friend of mine do a volumetric assessment for me regarding Executor and Asserter, Asserter might be shorter then Executor but she;'s twice as massive and got's got a ton of armor plate that Executor simply lacks... Also, Asserter heavily outguns Executor to boot.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Yes, although it may depend on types of guns.

[@alexanderwilkins1505]

indeed

[@enginepy]

You do a great job of telling history as well as technical aspects. Great delivery

[@TheGameFilmGuruMan]

Dreadnought might not have a specific ship class meaning in Star Wars, but it certainly did in real life. It referred to the all big-gun battleship classes (note that it was battleship exclusive, battlecruisers etc did not count) starting in 1906 continuing with the super dreadnoughts until the advent of the fast battleship. It's fairly interesting history and well worth looking into. Also the caption on the USS Nevada image is wrong, the first US super dreadnoughts were the New York class (Nevada is of the following Nevada class).

[@Riceball01]

Historically, dreadnought does not refer to a role but a specific class of ship, or more a sub-class of ship. Dreadnoughts were a type of battleship named after the HMS Dreadnought which was the first battleship to utilize and all big gun main gun layout. Prior to the Dreadnought battleships had a mix of gun calibers in its main armament with a few large caliber guns mounted in turrets and smaller, faster firing guns, mounted along the sides of the hull in barbettes. Rolewise, the dreadnoughts filled the exact same role as earlier battleships as they were just a new form of battleship.

[@MalfosRanger]

Thank you.

[@BobTheHappyDinosaur]

All big gun main battery and use of the steam turbine for propulsion, which was an upgrade over the standard triple expansion steam engine.

[@itzheadsetyt9192]

Merry christmas Generetion Tech! And everyone else too :D

[@trijetz3562]

I find it fascinating how there is so much history behind a fictional story. It's amazing how people dedicate their time to try to make reason and history of a complete fantasy. Not that it is a bad thing, I just find it cool.

[@skiffiewhipper478]

12:18 this sill doesn't make sense, going activating a hyperdrive puts you in a dimension, not making you go at rediculous speeds in the main dimension.

[@joshmaggard6]

Exactly. Disney made a ship so big they couldn't figure out a way for the "good guys" to win, so bad writing, plot armor, and retcon saved the day.

[@MaddMattP90]

It makes sense. Has happened on a larger scale. in TCW, the battlecruiser Quaestor, in hyperspace, collided with the Separatist planet Pammant, fracturing its core and killed millions. So a ship just entering or just about to enter hyperspace colliding with an object in realspace is possible and devastating. School time! Every object casts a 'shadow' in both realspace and hyperspace. This shadow can interact with another object no matter which dimension it is in. Also why hyperspace lanes are carefully plotted out to avoid Mass Shadows from stars and other celestial objects. In the new canon, activating a hyperdrive manipulates hypermatter particles which allows the ship to thrust into hyperspace. SO yes, a ship is still 'moving' through hyperspace, but it is perceived as traveling at extraordinary speeds in realspace. Hyperspace was a dimension of space-time alternative to that of realspace. It could only be accessed through molecular displacement, which was achieved by breaking the speed of light. It was coterminous with realspace, meaning that each point in realspace was associated with a unique point in hyperspace, and all adjacent points in realspace were adjacent in hyperspace as well.

[@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ]

Not entirely true. While hyperspace is acknowledged as being something of another dimension, Han does mention to Luke the dangers of inaccurate hyperspace jumps, like flying into stars or planets. If hyperspace and our dimension had no interaction, there'd be no worry of that.

[@richardkenan2891]

@@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ Thousands of years of hyperspace travel, and nobody thought of it before. That kind of demands an explanation. My guess? Objects need to be pretty massive to interact with ships in hyperspace. Even an Executor Class or Eclipse Class isn't that big. The Supremacy was. That would reduce it from "how have you morons not figured out this tactic over the course of thousands of years of intermittent war since hyperspace became a thing," to "Man, we missed the boat on those two Death Stars, we could have dealt with them so easily if we'd though of hyper-ramming." Two missed opportunities stretches my disbelief much less than thousands of years of missed opportunities.

[@Vyrexuviel]

@That One KZbinr Hyperspace is just that, a 'space'. it's a different "dimension" of normal space, one where lightspeed is effectively the /lower/ limit. it /is/ linked to normal space, but only via gravitation, and only very massive objects have enough mass to be dangerous (I'm talking stellar-scale masses here). Han's exact words were "fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your day real quick". That implies that only energy densities comparable to that of /stars/ were a large enough problem to need avoiding during a hyperspace jump. This probably explains why an Interdictor-class Star Destroyer could only keep the "yoink passing starships in hyperspace into realspace" thingies going for a short time (hours, I think? probably only minutes). My point is that jumping to hyperspace does /not/ result in any sort of a ram, unless you're pointed right at something with enough gravity to be considered at /least/ a planet, and more likely a /star/ (baring technological shenanigans like the Interdictors).

[@williamsmeds1368]

*_"Hello there"_*

[@Rick_Cleland]

NO!!

[@praise_kek340]

General Kenobi

[@lukebrowning4712]

General Kenobi, you are a bold one

[@liamwhatever7146]

9-year-old soldier Did you fall into a vat of toxic waste Obi-wan?

[@williamsmeds1368]

@@liamwhatever7146 yeah. It was not another happy landing.

[@wmtommy713]

Star Forge vs the A empire fleet. Star Forge will be able to build in battle. Also they can build newer ships but not star destroyers or any thing of that size. Also first. And please dew it.

[@pyeitme508]

How about Earth's Special Forces vs Star Wars Special Forces?

[@chrismason6857]

Would be cool to see either of these videos.

[@vincediscombe7360]

"star forge would be able to build in battle and can build newer ships" starforge wins 10/10. Seeing how fast it can churn out fleets it only needs to build droid fighters and bombers to swarm the enemy with. Also, just to speed things up, if it can build newer designs then clonewars era ships are droid controlled as well, just churn em out.

[@paulus121212]

maybe thats where the trade federation got the battle droids from

[@HolyknightVader999]

It can just fart out Acclamators until the end of time.

[@scifience8297]

please do a video on the most powerful and most realistic starfighters in sci fi

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

Most realistic starf.... Oh you are talking about Babylon 5, arent you. Starfury. Done. For a moment I though you wanted to find a realistic starfighter in Star Wars. Haha, silly me, you got me there for a moment, buddy!

[@failedexperiment9073]

Most realistic space fighter is the one that doesn't exist.

[@vincediscombe7360]

Most realistic: The fighters from nexus: the jupiter incident. Covered in manoeuvring thrusters (because space) and a beam laser weapon (again, space), pretty decent. The fighters in X3 have manoeuvring thrusters too, you can see them from the cockpit on some of them when you turn. Most powerful... avoiding shit like culture and xeelee (because that powerlevel is ridiculous) I'd suggest imperial Fury Interceptors from wh40k. Their tau and eldar and chaos equivalents may all be faster and more manoeuvrable or have better weapons tech but the Fury is the most durable fighter with the most guns... Inb4: the suncrusher isn't a fighter, it's an antisolar torpedo carrier. Different role.

[@pyr_a660]

Tbh never seen a super star destroyer in the movies being powerful

[@travisking9895]

The Star Dreadnoughts are too much. The ISD, though flawed, was the perfect embodiment of the Tarkin doctrine, and filled the Empire's needs as the biggest ship around.

[@andyco94]

I'd rather have a fleet of Bellators with supporting anti-starfighters cruisers to support them.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Tell that to the Navy. They wanted the Executor so that they can play catch-up with the Death Star. If the Death Star works as planned, the Executor was a sign that the Imperial Navy can keep up. If the Death Star blows up in the Emperor's face (which it did) the navy then offered the Executor as an alternative.

[@ghostofmarx867]

Until they run into an opposing fleet backed by a Mandator III, and get their asses kicked.

[@nihluxler8823]

Travis King Are you kidding ?! Should I remind you of the friggin Death Stars ? The true embodiment of the Tarkin doctrine is more massive than thousands of dreadnoughts combined...

[@jamesricker3997]

Just remember the super Star destroyers used by the empire were mobile Naval bases.

[@joshknechtel5104]

Since you guys have done a lot of 'what if' stuff regarding the separatists and alternate endings to the Clone Wars, could you possibly do another one showing what might have happened if the Blue Shadow Virus project had been successful? Also possibly adding that thing the geononosians did with those worms to your Star wars/zombie series? Just think those would be pretty cool vids. BTW, love the great content! 😁

[@LyokoWarrior101]

Bruhhh, Project Blackwing during the Clone Wars

[@ghostofmarx867]

The biggest problem with the Star Dreadnoughts is that they're usually very poorly handled. Better theory on their employment and better trained captains would make them invincible.

[@30minuteOX]

Dreadnought is a specific ship ( 4:12 ). It was the first modern battleship. Its name was meant to symbolize that the British Empire had nothing to fear at sea. Its name could be used to describe a highly advanced warship but otherwise, Dreadnought = battleship.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

A dreadnought is a battleship with more than 2 main turrets on the centerline. Also a light cruiser can never be a dreadnought. Nor can an aircraft carrier.

[@ninjasheep7492]

The most famous dreadnaught the HMS dreadnaught was unique in that it focused on high speed and high range high calibre guns. Basically the idea was if you can't hit it and it can hit you and you can't catch it it can destroy as many ships as it wants before running out of ammo or the enemy ships going into port. Before effective naval bombers it was so dominant that battleships would later be classified as pre-dreadnaught or post dreadnaught. In short dreadnaught doesn't mean big ship it means big guns.

[@MalfosRanger]

All big guns rather than a mixture of calibers and all of them arranged in the centerline in a superfiring arrangement.

[@janossos8620]

Not exactly.The battlecruiser idea was: "i can kill anything that catch me and i can outrun anything that kill me". The battlecruisers could outrun classic dreadnought battleships and could kill heavy and armoured cruisers...

[@TheWampam]

@Nargrakhan As far as I know, battlecruisers were battleship sized ships, with light armor that was supposed to make them operate at speed and range of cruisers. But better engines, guns and armor made the concept obsolete nearly instantly.

[@valiantredneck]

Could you do a video as to how long it actually takes to construct an ISD? Please include all the little tid-bits about what the sub contractors would be doing. Thanks.

[@lynchkid003]

I personally believe that Star Dreadnoughts should be used like the current United States uses their Carrier Battle Groups. 1: Show the Flag- Cruise around allied systems with it's escorts and gather support by providing reassurance of safety. 2: Strategic Deterrent- Having a ship of that size with a supporting fleet near their borders is going to make an "Enemy" or "Neutral Party" think twice about doing something hostile to things you have an interest in. IE: "Are you sure you want to do that?" 3: Fleet Anchor Points- Large, well armed ships, can provide rally points and supporting fire to allied vessels in combat. 4: Large Scale Evacuation- Larger ships like Star Dreadnoughts can be used in the Worst case scenario to Evacuate large amounts of troops, (or Civilians) from a Hazard zone. 5: Industrial Might Demonstration- IE: "We can build this... We can Build More like It..." 6: Command Vessels- Large ships that are tougher then other ships with them, can serve as Fleet Flagships and be used to coordinate other ships and keep fleets Organized.

[@joeb6853]

Stop dreaming dude. U.S. navy is known to wage war against small inadequate military forces. Most will be sunk if engaged to rebels like Russia, China. A single bomb (nuclear) from either country will take an entire fleet of carrirers, destroyers, fridgets, subs.

[@6stringsbrainfingers]

Love these gigantic ships. But I can't imagine how anyone could make such a huge ship. Seems like it would take a thousand years, and multiple quadrillions of dollars.

[@caiomoura202]

9:14 That's an Assertor-Class.

[@jdchav9383]

8:07 where Dooku cuts Anakins arm off and it shows a baseball outfielder going for a catch had me dead aff 💀💀💀💀😂😂😂😂

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

You also didn't mention that the Eclipse-class SSD had shields so strong that it could simply choose to not shoot ships and literally ram them if it wanted to.

[@caseygray2328]

I love the Bellator, it's my favorite SSD

[@quinnmolteni2619]

I think the idea is awesome. I always loved the executor

[@simpsonfan13]

Am I the only one that has thought of plonking down a hoth style shield set up on the hull of an ISD? Put the reactor in the middle and the shield projector next to it. Then drop some turbolasers for point defense than can depress enough to serve as anti-infantry and bam: Invincible ISD.

[@starbrand3726]

Am I the only one who got the joke when he put up a photo of Kal Penn @ 3:02 while he was talking about the Kumari Empire? Kal played the character Kumar.

[@russellwarren9595]

the clue is in the name "dread" "nought", "fear" "nothing"/

[@Doctor.Trolling]

Russell Warren The word dreadnought in star wars means a very large star ship

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

@@Doctor.Trolling It was originally a battleship called HMS Dreadnaught that was designed first one to employ modern design. Its name meant "Fear Nothing".

[@Doctor.Trolling]

@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 Then in Star Wars it meant a very large star ship

[@herosupport1606]

the empires ships just keep getting bigger after every major defeat its like they are compensating for something.

[@hansmerker5611]

I think the Centurion-class Battle cruiser is the perfect Star Destroyer. The only problem are relatively few weapons and starfighters.

[@lisatowsley2161]

They need to make a show were everyone like stormtrooper and clones fight

[@frozarburst6350]

Coming Episode 9, a star destroyer as big as an entire continent!

[@aldenationvideos2582]

I absolutely love how it showed count dooku chopping off anakin’s hand for a home run

[@NiraSader]

“A moving target survives longer” as they say, that is why the only dreadnaught that I would ever use is the “speedy” Bellator

[@peterson7082]

I would use the Secutor. Now that it's (most likely) canon again. It's a mega carrier!

[@charlesdunn6694]

I’d say that it makes sense to have a (relatively) small fleet of the big ISDs or two in critical locations. If a truly big threat arises, those fleets could rush to deal with it. The peacekeeping duties could be dealt with by smaller cruisers and frigates, as you suggested.

[@KovoratianShockTroop1462]

Include the super star destroyer in star destroyer video, no that could never work at all, but great vid tho

[@randomguyfromgermany]

10:30 19 kilometers? Back in the mid 90's the Executor was about 13 kilometers long. Accoring to legends, Vader didn't just "use" the ship, but Palpatine gave it to him as a gift...

[@GALAXIE67]

Excellent video bro, very interesting!! 👍☯️👍

[@pyeitme508]

NEED EARTH VS STAR WARS VIDEOS!!!

[@DaikaijuProductions]

They already did that.

[@ethanwoods1775]

Earth would be probably spared completely for there utter pity for are incomptance and stupidity I would think . Just my opinion, y never know what your government hiding .

[@hurricaneace143]

And the Supremacy should NEVER be used in an offensive role

[@SiberiusRises]

Excellent presentation. Keep up the great work.

[@seekertwo1]

Great video! If anything, a fleet with several ISDs set up with Darksaber-style superlasers would have worked better than a Death Star....

[@docbrown7916]

Great vid as always, explains some stuff I didn't know. While huge dreadnoughts look kick ass we have replaced them we better weapon systems in our world, smaller ships doing more damage but this was an evolution of many technologies. In sci-fi most series still don't employ some ideas from older stories, maybe the creators just haven't read enough classics or the ideas won't translate to the general audience well, they have to cater to the average intelligence and many ppl won't grasp some things, many ppl have probs grasping jump drives and any non linear transit tech. Such is the nature of entertainment. Keep up the good work !!

[@IRON0117]

I love the Venator class star cruiser because of its design and it’s a carrier that can carry 100s of star fighters

[@pyeitme508]

When will we see Earth's MBTs or IFVs vs Star Wars equivalent?!

[@chrismason6857]

Yes please!

[@nuxirl2582]

Great Video!!! Love the topic and you explain it very well. Easy one of my favourite Videos of yours!!!

[@RanFire]

If you could just hyperspace in to a vessel, why didn't they have hyper missiles to do the job?

[@warlordsquerk5338]

That's a good point tho ships did exist to block hyper space travel. I haven't seen the latest SW movies tho so dunno if they used them there

[@sirapple2406]

Btw, this video has a part that explains what a dreadnought is but if it still may not be clear for some reason here is the comprehensive version of it: what defines a Dreadnought is simple, it's in the name actually, Dreadnought means Fears nothing. You simply have a ship of such *IMMENSE* power that it litterally outclasses ANYTHING the opposition can throw at it making it fear nothing.

[@amplifire-]

1:15 when you were walking in a dreadnought the horrors of the front faded away meanwhile rebel a-wing: not today

[@selectthedead]

To answer your Question of size, I would say it depends on the enemy it is supposed to fight, or force any other kind of limitting factor of your enemy. Prime example for this in our world is the Yamato class Battleship, which was supposed to force the Americans to build a bb in response that would have been too large to transfer the panama canal. It would be intereseting if there ever was some kind of resource limiting the economy of any faction. On the other hand fire power, automasation and better targeting systems, therefore better reaction time, is the key to win any battle. By the way I favor any kind of design with a spinal mounted main cannon over plastering the ship full of turrets. This has been my biggest issue over the years with the ISD. Of course you need point defense systems, but they should not be your main firepower. So if I would design a ISD and keep the wedge shape, I would give him one spinal mounted main gun, then give him many secundary broadside guns along the divide of top and bottom shape and last the point defense systems protruding from the superstructure or make the rotate out of the hull. For Hangers I like the Idea of "negative space" like valleys along the hull to lunch fighters. This would shield the hangers from direct fire and make boarding through the hangers more difficult. Oh Yeah, and build the CIC at the centre of the ship! because windows are structural weeknesses. Thanks and so long

[@OryxTheMadGod3]

regarding the hammerhead usage at ~5:10 it was used in rogue one to destroy the 2 ISDs blocking the way to the planet

[@Leonidas1210vc]

I feel that if done right, has appropriate defenses/offenses, appropriate escorts, and a competent leadership,crew and maintenance. It could be a great asset to any navy......but of course that means they're going to be expensive and if destroyed or damaged, it could be quite a blow. And if captured well it's gonna be a tough battle getting one back without proper countermeasures

[@hansmerker5611]

I would combine the best aspects of the Centurion class battle cruiser with the harrower class dreadnaught and the ventator class star destroyer. It would be: 1200 meters long Weapons systems: Concussion missile launchers, proton torpedo launchers, Quad turbolasers, point defense lasers, ion cannons, tractor beams, and SPHAT Starfighters: 120 Ties (would include standard, special forces, interceptors, and bombers) Plus shuttles, AT-Ats, AT-STs, and AT-m6s Troops: 6,000 plus a prefabricated base Crew: 3,000 ARC reactor power source Class one hyperdrive.

[@mannofdober873]

Now for the evolution of Super Duper Mega Ultra Dolphin-Class Star Destroyers

[@winnerloser]

Everything Wrong with the Executor Class Super Star Destroyer

[@warrenlehmkuhleii8472]

Besides the shield generator dispersion (or lack there of) was really the only flaw of the Executors. Also R.I.P Executors the Supremacy class has replaced you.

[@ufukcangencoglu2279]

@@warrenlehmkuhleii8472 Supremacy is a one of a type ship. Also It serves a completely different purpose than the Executor-class.

[@warrenlehmkuhleii8472]

@@ufukcangencoglu2279 A one of a type ship that superseded the super star destroyer concept. And the Carrier replaced the Battleship it is the same thing in my eyes. At this point in the star wars galaxy there was only one. Sort like how at the end of WW I there was only one carrier in the world HMS Argus. Maybe the first order will build another Supremacy class. (Hopefully with gravity wells.)

[@TheRezro]

@@warrenlehmkuhleii8472 It isn't how that work 0_0

[@williamt.sherman9841]

@@warrenlehmkuhleii8472 in space the carrier/battleship issue is not relevant. speed is relative in space as in a fighter is not necessarily faster than a Dreadnought. In the Ocean an extreamly fast ship can go about 45 knots- a very fast Carrier 37 knots the fastest battleships could go about 33-35 knots. about (40 MPH) A very slow ww2 torpedo bomber could go 190 knots (218 MPH) so the fastest ship can only go about a 1/3rd the speed of the slowest plane. That is why modern fighters can go twice the speed of sound and faster But space that is not an issue.

[@objectivereason4846]

Engineering Officer: My lord how big do you want the ship to be? Palpatine: thicc AF

[@Simmons3ptO]

I plan on writing a story some day centered around an Assertor-class Dreadnaught and it's crew. If any super star destroyer is practical in design it would be that. Still working on sub plots and key points that will occur with the characters interacting with renowned entities, like Vader.

[@eternal5930]

The Eclipse is the ship I would love to command. It's perfect in every way.

[@HemiChrysler]

I'm in agreement with EckhartsLadder in the assertion that the Eclipse class is at least 38km in length, thus I object to the size comparison at 4:19, which shows Executor as longer.

[@Schattennebel]

Two Words: BIG TARGET

[@jaredlopez3392]

8:08 Colón looking for his first hit of the season, AND HE DRIVES ONE, DEEP LEFT FIELD, BACK GOES UPTON, BACK NEAR THE WALLLLL, ITS OUTTA HEREEEEE! BARTOLO HAS DONE IT!! GHE IMPOSSIBLE HAS HAPPENED. THE TEAM VACATES THE DUGOUT AS BARTOLO TAKES THE LONG TROT!!!

[@Straswa]

Great vid GenTech!

[@dasmilyshelf6999]

Only 900 meters Our warships are 300 meters

[@erbinzky]

Where's the next White Castle?

[@sergeantassassin3425]

Imperial Dreadnoughts, with some tweaking, could be super reliable and efficient. The Eclipse, for instance, was nigh-indestructible, and only managed to be finally taken down by redirecting a FORCE STORM right at it. The combined might of the New Republic couldn't even do it. Also, you cannot expect a single ship to do literally everything that needs to be done in a battle. Put into a proper support fleet, a Dreadnought can do the heavy lifting while the rest of the fleet keeps it safe and protected from anti-capital ship weaponry, said fleet also being protected from heavier firepower by having that huge Dreadnought tear anything larger than an ISD to shreds with its' hundreds of turbolasers/ion cannons.

[@warrenlehmkuhleii8472]

R.I.P Super Star Destroyers. The Mega Star Destroyer has replaced you.

[@ufukcangencoglu2279]

No.

[@pepperVenge]

The wedge shape allows a ship to bring both of its broadside's to bear on a single target. Very devastating.

[@ChaoticJester]

forgot one... the Eclipse II. It was a much thinner, yet longer version of the original Eclipse and could be used like a battering ram due to how tanky it was

[@darksnakenerdmaster]

"Praetor-class dreadnought"? were all the soldiers aboard green hunks with giant scatterguns?

[@justicetaylor2695]

I kind of want to see the full chain of action form a Resurgent or Super Star Destroyer deploy prefabricated bases and heavy vehicles. It seems like you mostly just see the "after their drop is done" part where whatever lighter transports were involved they're already done and flown back. Their size to carry a pre fabricated base seems unique to larger ships, so can we ever see that come to full effect?

[@absoluteomnis4833]

I personally love huge ships, however the bigger they are, the more well rounded defense systems they should have, less turbolasers more laser cannons and preferably a support fleet as well made to keep away anything that can damage the larger ship.

[@hawker6723]

In my opinion it's a great symbol to rally but test it's defenses against proxy battles first so you know it's weakness.

[@Penguinea117]

nice job with the Harold and Kumar reference

[@armycowboy4313]

Just to be random yet stay in the lines of spaceships. Earth needs the Daedalus cruisers (fully upgraded one)from stargate. Can travel to another galaxy in months rather then years. Has enough firepower to fight far larger vessels and win. Shields that can take alot of punishment. Weapons ranging from auto rail guns that can destroy capital size ships yet accurate enough to hit fighter size ships, beam weapons that tear through shields and armor a like, and nukes that have been boosted to be far stronger than any nuke developed in today's age. And can deploy fighters that are dangerous to fighters and capital ships. And beaming technology that they can bypass shields and put a nuke in side an enemy vessel destroying them from the inside out

[@tba113]

Agreed, the BC-304's were pretty awesome. Their point defenses - the high-ROF railguns - were accurate and powerful enough that they could, in the right circumstances, cripple the five-kilometer-long Wraith hive ships. The Asgard beam cannons could one-shot hive ships with no trouble, and make even Ori warships think twice. Mk. IX naquadria-enhanced warheads, commonly mounted on guided missiles in the 304s' VLS tubes, apparently come in at the ten-gigaton yield, making them _vastly_ more powerful than the heavy weapons in almost any non-40K setting; by comparison, based on the 3kg warhead used in Starfleet photon torpedoes, they have a yield of about 65 megatons. Not bad at all - the biggest nuclear weapon of the 20th century, the Czar Bomba, had a test yield of "only" about fifty MT - but the Mk. IX's blast is about 154 times as powerful as a photon torpedo. The only drawback is how slow the conventional missile technology is when delivering a warhead over long distances. The Daedalus-class's typical complement of F-302 fighters, already formidable in their own right with just cannons and guided missiles, can apparently also mount one of those death-bombs - though they have to sacrifice most of the rest of their ordnance to do it. So far as I know, the only strike craft in Star Wars that had any external hardpoints was the K-Wing, and as awesome as it was, it only showed up in Legends. Good luck hanging any specialist equipment on an X-Wing without rebuilding half the fighter! The 304's shields could scale with however much energy was routed to them; one ship tanked a solar flare for several minutes, something that vaporized a Borg cube more or less instantly. The 304's transporter technology is better than that used in Star Trek, too, since it can achieve a lock on a moving target with only a radio beacon to work with - though it's not perfect, and can be jammed by active countermeasures. That's another thing I miss in a lot of sci fi, actually: electronic warfare to screw with sensors and communications gets almost no play outside of the occasional cloaking device, and as cool as they are, those are really just stealth suites. They do nothing to help the rest of a ship's task force.

[@armycowboy4313]

@@tba113 hell one Daedalus class cruiser put in star wars could have been used to cripple the Empire if used correctly. A hole fleet of Daedalus class cruisers with a steady supply would wipe the empire out.

[@tba113]

@@armycowboy4313 With their advantages in mobility and firepower, yeah, pretty much. And since the Asgard- and Goa'uld-based hyperdrives don't worry about mass shadows like Star Wars hyperdrives do - they've jumped directly through planets, a flat impossibility in Star Wars - it's not like the Empire could ambush a fleet of 304's with Interdictors. Every engagement would be on the Tau'ri's terms, which makes for a lot of easy fights. And I'd take SG teams over Stormtroopers any day.

[@armycowboy4313]

@@tba113 well the thing is stormtroopers armor is more designed for plasma based weapons not kinetic energy. That is fire 900 to 1000 rounds per second. So stormtroopers would be in trouble. And the Death stars well easy targets for one 304. It jumps in to close for the super laser beam a nuke in side jump out bye bye death stars

[@phoenixx913]

​@@armycowboy4313 Um no that's not happening lol. The imperial Navy at least in the EU had a navy of millions of warships and trillions of personal, not to mention that the weapons had ridiculous range and power. A clone wars era Acclamator is a more fair fight to be honest since it was equiped with the following. 12 quad turbolasers rated at 200 gigatons of energy per shot. 24 light point-defense laser cannons rated at 6 gigatons of energy per shot 4 heavy torpedo tubes 100 high-yield proton torpedos On top of that the hull armor of Acclamator-class vessels was impregnated with ultra-dispersive neutronium that withstood and spread massive energy blasts. So that would severely weaken both the nukes and the beam cannons. And then it also had deflector shields which protect against both energy and kinetic weapons thus nullifying the railguns. Also those Asgard Beam Cannons aren't that special in the Star Wars Universe regular turbolasers and lasers fire compressed bolts of superheated plasma, same for the beam cannons in star wars, same as the ones in stargate, even the railguns and nukes aren't special because star wars has nukes as well, and railguns also coil and gauss guns and slugthrowers(guns) and eletrothermal cannons(plasma driven projectile weapons)

[@MegaDrain]

"I can't believe you'd give me a bigger target. Did you think size would increase your chance of winning?" - Roy Mustang

[@daus9198]

Gotta have more old republic videos

[@velawesomeraptor5317]

How about for the next episode “What if Jango Fett killed Windu on Geonosis”