The Evolved Arabic Script in Dune | Response to

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[@ifoundacloud]

Dash over dot supremacy

[@Rrash_VA]

amen brotha!

[@moa_iq7556]

And harakat "movements" is tilted like a beret

[@aub3365]

@@Rrash_VA Hey! I'm Pakistani and our urdu language has same writing system (except that we have more consonants and less vowels) ... and we also don't write Harakat usually. Also, just like you, we don't put dot's distinctively, just dashes to increase the speed.

[@plotsky_]

agree

[@eldomiloqui]

Nah bruh

[@kairinase]

I came from Malaysia, and I use the Jawi Script... the way we evolve the Arabic Script into Jawi, is by adding more dots to existing letters to make sounds that are from Malay Language. Jawi now has become it's own writing system and taught in school.

[@Isfoors]

حروف لاتينية

[@slaimiaadem1634]

I write Arabic language with حركات. Change my mind

[@Rrash_VA]

@@slaimiaadem1634 why would i? You do you buddy. You're definitely an anomaly though

[@barry_wastaken]

never used harakat except when writing a very specific text like the Qur'an

[@Klw_n]

@@Rrash_VA the correct way or writing is with harakat i am from tunisia and the "squiggly" line is a wrong way of writing if you write an essay in arabic without the vowels and dots you're gonna get less points for unclear writing the actual "squiggly" lines came from students who dot too fast which resembles a line and over the years the habit makes it a line you cant read a text without its vowels and dots for example if you were to write words starting with these letters ت, ي ,ب, ن you wouldn't know which letter resembles what without the dots and without theحركات words could give off different meanings if they're uncommon to some readers so technically this is evolving backwards also the devolpment of the arabic language hasn't been clearly documented so we dont exactly know the details but great video tho !

[@barry_wastaken]

​@@Klw_nit's not a wrong way, it's a legitimate way the Arabs used, it's all arabic and all can be understood so stop yapping.

[@egyptian20091]

So time consuming

[@danime1941]

The evolved "tha" is just how i write "sad" 🗿

[@takahashi2852]

Don't be tha, smile

[@ZS-rw4qq]

3:12 Untill it regresses into Cyrillic Д hahahaha

[@JamalAhmadMalik]

I speak Urdu, a language that uses the Arabic script. What's interesting is that I've almost never used the dots in something like ت ث ش پ چ etc. Since we have more letters with the dots, we have a standardized way of writing two and three dots. AND they are opposite to how you write. It was an interesting video tho.

[@Rrash_VA]

@@JamalAhmadMalik standardized you say!!! That's interesting! That's more proof that scripts can change and these changes can eventually become official. also, i'm aware urdu, Persian, and other languages use the arabic script.

[@ninasimoan]

i was about to say this. we do something like a mirror image of c with the lower side longer for ث ش etc

[@enamishalive]

wait, so yall dont write the dots for these?

[@AliRavencoreAdam]

I've never written Urdu without the dots.

[@alinaqirizvi1441]

@@AliRavencoreAdam yeah isn't it normally written kind of like how he writes the dots (not the squiggly line thing though it's always a straight line)

[@Gabriel-ServantOfGod]

I'm learning yhe arabic from the Qur'an, like the symbols from Duolingo, and then just hearing the arabic while reading translations, and it's slow as it can get, but i'm glad to learn as kids do, slowly and through context... it created a lot of aha moments where i realize new things about sentences or words I've been using for a long time... so i do think it has value. God willing i will start writting soon... And speaking... i also need to speak, even in english i lack practice since i oddly talk to anyone being in Spain xD. Anyways, peace

[@Rrash_VA]

good luck! i tried learning spanish, but i lost the spark, i'll try and get back to it though

[@hamodalbatal464]

Wasting your time, Native Arabic speaker who studied Koran for decades and left Islam years ago, anyways good luck!

[@Gabriel-ServantOfGod]

@@hamodalbatal464 But i heard native Arabic speakers also struggle to understand some words of the Qur'an, since it's not the same arabic exactly. So i wonder if that affected your understanding. (especially in key words) For instance, a quick one, Jummuah means assembly, but they claim it also means Friday, sure it came to mean that after the centuries, but don't you see how it does not fit with the other days of the week? I just say this to perhaps spark a revisit, hehe, but in any case, each has his choice, and there is no compulsion on deen, unlike what sects want to claim, so if you want to leave Qur'anicly speaking you can and nobody can kill you for that alone. So yeah, i don't want to pressure you, but i recommend you the channel of brother Sam Gerrans, even if just a look, i'm curious on what would be your view of his opinions. Salutations

[@AbdulRahim_]

Typing in this way isn't an evolution; it's an old style called Riqaa (رقعة). and people still use it today

[@Rrash_VA]

of course it's an evolution, look it up. apparently, the ruqah is only used in the eastern arab world. i only heard about it very recently, apparently it first appeared in turkey, which could mean it evolved naturally and separately in the western Arab world in the form i showed, very interesting!

[@zeyadalbadawi8774]

It's a font, not a separate script​@@Rrash_VA

[@zainab66728]

Hell yeah, Moroccan youtuber spotted!! Keep it up man, this is quality content, and it honestly feels refreshing to find a fellow Moroccan making interesting videos for once!! ❤🇲🇦

[@Rrash_VA]

i'm glad you like the content, welcome to the channel!

[@sskpsp]

That is similar to how abugidas evolved: consonant diacritics indicating vowels (like harakat) eventually attached like ligatures to form new characters. It would be interesting if this happens with abjads...the harakat but the i'lam as well. Maybe the latter would give tise to a featural script?

[@JoshuaTsukayama-cz9hy]

there are abugidas that still just have diacritics though

[@gasun1274]

Most abugidas still retain diacritics. What you're talkinf about is specifically Ge'ez

[@Honest_Question]

Literally exactly my thoughts when I watched his video.

[@Adam-326]

Bro what kind of ○○○○○ propaganda are you promoting 😂? Insane…

[@Honest_Question]

@@Adam-326 bot

[@Adam-326]

@@Honest_Question Ah, if anything, you’d be the bot.

[@elgato8027]

@@Adam-326 factual pfp

[@Adam-326]

@@elgato8027 In dreamland, maybe

[@secretsofdune]

I'm loving the Fremen Arabic language discourse that you and ifoundacloud are generating. Another great addition to the subject. Well done. I also share the same sentiments as you about the evolution of the Fremen language and how it could have/should have gone.

[@user-kv5hh5xo8i]

I love the direction you're going with this! I remember when I first realized how i3jam were written by native speakers - I was buying baklava and asked the syrian guy running the shop how to spell something, and was surprised when he used a straight line for ت. That being said - I question whether the most likely evolution would be for the i3jam to become connected in the way you showed. After all, think of how تتتتتت looks in the beginning and middle of a word, the i3jam float above the pointy bit. Just like how chinese characters get simplified based on their stroke order - I'd imagine the i3jam would gradually become connected to the last point the pen touched, so that it can be written in one swift motion. So, I propose the i3jam may become connected at the pointy bit, or in the case of ج, the tail of the letter may extend and curve to intersect itself, so as to be differentiated from ح, and in the case of خ, the tail would extend to intersect the top of the letter. That being said, I don't speak arabic well, and would be curious to see a native speaker such as yourself continue to experiment with possible future letterforms!

[@Rrash_VA]

@@user-kv5hh5xo8i i agree. at the end of the day it's all hypotheticals. It's impossible to predict how a script will exactly evolve. One thing that i'm sure of is that over the alleged ten thousand years it is sure to evolve much more drastically than just eleminating some dots. Just look at how the Phoenician script evolved into the Arabic and greek scripts and that evolved into the latin script and so on. All of that happened in much much much less that ten thousand years.

[@user-kv5hh5xo8i]

@@Rrash_VA 100%. I do wonder how digitization will affect future of graphemic evolution. The mass production of the qwerty keyboard helped latin scripts become unavoidable, and if the international community stays married to that keyboard layout then it's possible the latin script will remain crystalized for a long time. Fonts will still change, but the evolutionary pressures leading to new fonts may be different from that of handwriting.

[@Rrash_VA]

@@user-kv5hh5xo8i yes, i suspect script change will be slower in this digitized world. But then again who knows, we'll see what happens in the next thousand years. And by we i mean humanity hehe

[@dg3876]

When I took Arabic for a year in college, we actually learned the shorthand forms of writing 2-3 dots. After a month or two I got tired of using the lines because I thought the dots were cooler. Obviously it's a personal preference but to me it didn't seem like it was saving that much time. But then again, the longest assignment we ever had to write was 12 sentences, so there wasn't much time to save

[@newgarden1659]

Yooo this was interesting man أنيا من الجزائر اخي، و السلام عليكم لذ كنت مسلم 🌹

[@Rrash_VA]

و عليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته

[@newgarden1659]

@@Rrash_VA I just realized I made a typo and missed the Alif. It seems my Arabic is regressing too khoya 🤣🤣

[@Rrash_VA]

😂😂

[@Nuss-j4s]

You have a point for sure, but the fact that he made the writing more simplistic is probably allegorical for what happened to humanity in the Dune universe. I mean, they abandonded computers, use swords in fighting etc, for me it feels like a blend of a super advanced future with a super "devolved" (to use your term) almost medieval society; and the language is meant to represent that. But I am just guessing...

[@naimaouagag7687]

BTW dots on top are added to help foreigners read, but we can read the alphabets without them.

[@bayanodeh6975]

Hehehe, I love all these discussions! I was interested because I’m from Jordan, specifically near the place where all the Dune locations were filmed

[@dontusethisaccounttowatchp9635]

I would like to see a video focused on the spoken words in the movies and how they are related to arabic

[@alukardio6991]

Im from Algeria and i personally write the dots exactly the way that you write them. I guess having taken extensive exams with such short timings just conditioned us to write fast af. I cannot write the dots even if i wanted to on ت ق, it looks childish to me. Meanwhile the little cap that i add to ش ث instead of three dots is my favorite thing

[@justahumanbean_]

I took Arabic language as 3rd language. i gotta be honest, it's complex yet poetic language. The amount of mental gymnastics that i had to do to understand it is a struggle.

[@Kolvatn]

im learning arbic and darija, that's good to remember, i always forget ppl dont always write the 2 or 3 dots but a triangle or line instead x)

[@Rrash_VA]

I still remember when i made the switch to writing just the straight lines, it was in 7th grade. my mind was blown, i was like: holy shit this 5x's my writing speed, no more borrowing a notebook from a classmate to copy what i missed hehe. Good luck with your learning journey!

[@RexoryByzaboo]

The speedrun script.

[@SuperBg234]

Do you mean Darija, the Arabic dialect spoken in Morocco? If so, I don't think it's a good idea for you to learn it. No offense, but most Arabic speakers are not able to understand it.

[@Kolvatn]

@@SuperBg234 i plan on moving there in the future, or at least visiting it. I also have a good friend that lives there

[@ArcDivider]

you have restored my faith in Moroccan talent and content creation, good luck to you and hoping to see more videos from you khoya

[@mordirit8727]

One thing that I may add, in your prediction of progress the letters are all still 2 movements, even 2 "pen off page" movements. If the written language is to evolve, all motion tends to go towards less and less movements per character, and specifically towards less and less "pen leaves page" instances. You can see this starkly with Kanji writting, where many of the simplified versions lead to less and less instances of needing to add an entirely sepparate line to a kanji. The reason why in English we refer to "doing things with a lot of care to every small detail" as "crossing the t's and dotting the i's" is quite literal: doing this type of stuff takes time, and when writting becomes more and more expedient, it tends to go the way of the dodo. The most likely path IMO is for the I'jam to become part of the initial line drawing, resulting in somethign more like this |__/\__| than this |_/_\_| (sorry, ASCII is a horrible tool for drawing xD). Lifting the pen from paper for 0.1s to do a small new line is a laughable effort, but when you multiply that by nearly infinite times people jotting words down, these types of extra effort tend to go away. Very rarely do we see writting keeping this kind of extra work, and we hardly ever see it evolve new added ones. Then again, of course, this presumes the written language will go on evolving. This is still true in a lot of the world but we've yet to trully see how big of an impact the digital age has on the written language. In a world where any foreigner wanting to read something in Arabic can point a cellphone at, the diacritics which most native Arab speakers have no use for might as well just cease to be entirely. In that way, maybe the prediction from Dune makes even more sense than evolving the modern script, since that's a society that's already been through that age. For thousands of years, everyone has had easier methods of knowing what is written than learning the language, so it might make even more sense that they write in a script that is famously unfriendly to outsiders, that might not be an issue at all anymore

[@nirutivan9811]

Funny how things can be similar across writing systems. I speak German, where we have the letters ä, ö and ü. I personally don‘t do it (I write two dots), but it‘s also not uncommon to replace the two dots in handwriting with a -, like you explained it for the Arabic script.

[@rayenhosni3]

in primary school we had to write fast to keep up with the teacher ( especially in math and science classes) I used to ignore the dots, ignore the "harakat" and when there is numbers it gets worse, at home i couldn't read my own handwriting to study for exams, mom was mad at me she calls my arabic handwriting "hebrew", dad told me to just start drawing like hieroglyphics as it might be easier to understand than the meaningless lines that im writing. and here i am now 21yo, last time i wrote smth in arabic was 4 years ago as we dont use it anymore in university bc everything is in french. so yeah if we apply my experience to the majority of ppl and give it 10000 years arabic script will be waaaay different to what we know it now.

[@Me9070]

If we typed the ت & ث the way you presented they might be mistaken for ح in my opinion, however; I agree with your point, nice video!

[@Reubentheimitator6572]

I like your idea of the dashes having come from dots eventually fusing into the base letter. I think that would actually distinguish the letters even better than they are already distinguished.

[@mjdmjd02]

i write most letters with dots in a shortcut way so that i don't have to lift my pen from the paper, i did this very often at school cuz i had to take notes fast during lectures.

[@SaeedLegend]

مقطع ممتع ممتع ممتع، جهد تُشكر عليه. تحياتي من سلطنة عمان. :)

[@ac-bc5108]

We arabs we don't have spelling bee competitions because Arabic writing is phonetic language means you write what you hear

[@dusted4140]

Why the hell is the moroccan map cut in half?

[@jorge666]

because the other half considers itself an independent country

[@fath11istaken]

as a person that have to learn the Jawi script, i pray everyday for someone to make harkat part of the script, that one change can make reading the Jawi script a heck lot of easier

[@theofficeroliviersamson4498]

So dune writing is related to the latin alphabet (this alphabet)...

[@Rrash_VA]

Exactly!

[@efenty6235]

i think the intriguing thing about arabic writing is how much you can take away and still be able to use. this is a time when earth is forgotten, but they still have some basic version of arabic which is usable

[@abd-animation-22]

The the fact this was recommended to me Before i watched @ifoundacloud video is weird

[@Rrash_VA]

¯\(ツ)/¯

[@EnergeiaRhythmos]

Dune evolved arabic backward

[@Rrash_VA]

exactly! hehe

[@Gamedx01]

This is another writing way, there are three ways if writing and the one we study is naskh(نسخ), which is the normal way that we study in school, and it is the slower way, when people started writing a bit fast, they start to make these lines instead of dots because they didn’t give the pen time to get out of the paper, so it makes a line, this way of writing is called riqie, it is a faster way of writing, there’s another faster way but it takes alot of practice and it’s much harder to read than others, it is writing everything in a a very small place and each word is inside the other, it is used normally infront of mosques to say bismillah, and in other places but it is very rare to find because it’s hard to be writin or even understood

[@MimiGalaxy]

You're from Morocco, and your accent is actually very good. Wow i'm impressed How do you do that man I'm also from Morocco btw😂

[@Rrash_VA]

¯\(ツ)/¯ i've always tried to mimic an american accent, now i have an American accent, i guess i succeeded hehe. Accent doesn't matter though, as long as the speech is clear.

[@MimiGalaxy]

@@Rrash_VA I guess you're right 😂

[@tareqzeidalkilani949]

minute 0:44 and beyond: even the "ء" was not like this, it was just a separate letter placed on the base line of the sentence.

[@entertainproxi9140]

Awesome video, I have one suggestion for the idea of letters evolving or regressing, which is the fact that as time goes on, we probably will use computers and phones a lot more than handwriting, what is likely to happen, I think, isn't dots turning into dashes, but more so the letters being replaced by an easier pronounciation, we already do that in arab speaking nations, lots of people skip the ث and ذ in favour of ت and د , I myself confused ظ and ض for a long time, I feel the most likely evolution will be due to pronounciation. Another point that is unique to arabic which is the fact that it is the language of the qur'an and so it would most likely maintain its alphabet to preserve the meanings of the verses. Cheers from an algerian brother !

[@M4AH1990]

I feel like you're dropping an important point here. This way of writing is already - some way or the other - "formally" practiced, in the form of Ruqʿah script. Actually, the reason I picked up the dashes (and the hump-shape for three dots) instead of dots is that I found it easier to write this way after I learned Ruqʿah in school. I don't have a good handwriting so I don't exactly follow Ruqʿah in all details, and it's actually a mixture of Ruqʿah and Naskh. In fact, Ruqʿah (or a form of it) is the most common for handwriting as it's faster to write. As opposed to Naskh being the most common for printing. The reason I'm mentioning this is because I don't regard that as a regression per se, at least as long it's based on some of the big families of Arabic scripts. Ruq`ah itself was developed of the Kufi script.

[@salma-amlas]

I think numbers are even more hilarious. When i grew up, i learned to write 2 like ٢ and 3 like ٣, except the 2 in my handwriting was رقعة )which deserves a whole video of its own!) And my ٢ was more like a straight line where that dip in the middle happens. Now here is where the confusion happens. The 3 is sometimes abbreviated like this: ٢ yes one dip instead of two! Wouldn't that be extremely confusing? Yes but we understand it anyway lol 😂

[@aymanomar8965]

Not writing the "حركات" or vowels is technically not an evolution since people didn't start using it until non arab speakers started converting to islam and learning arabic. Fun fact the most famous arabic "linguist" is not arab سيبويه a persian Who wrote "The book" which is a grammer book so good that it was called the book. He lived in iraq all his life if I'm not mistaken so you could say his technically arab but i was referring to his origins

[@soufianeelhyani8856]

Wow man If you didn't say it nothing would reveal any moroccaness about you ! probably never lived in morocco ? Great video btw I watched yours and ifoundacloud

[@Rrash_VA]

Uuuuh, ehm, iiiii actually never left Morocco, but thanks for watching, glad you liked the video

[@soufianeelhyani8856]

@@Rrash_VA Well, congrats you have no sharp T or weird Moroccan accent traits haha. keep up the good work.

[@amadeosendiulo2137]

2:35 I do that with the tehta A when writing Tengwar.

[@youripovmalikialaoui2622]

Hello I'm Moroccan too 1:31 you should change the map 🗺️ of Morocco 🇲🇦 Because the Sahara is Moroccan ❤❤❤

[@snifey7694]

I think it runs parallel to the Linguistic history of dear Arabic. Arabic Was invented as to centralised system in a more collective Muslim society in the initial quarter of History, like the upcoming Rashidun and Abbasids where the societal systems were connected, so many dialects across the muslim world, the I'jam was very essential. And then Maomet arrive, THE ECUMENICAL TRANSLATORS and the zensunni refugees end up dispersed and revert to neo tribalism. Now theres these chakobsa dialects all across the precious Arrakis. So yeah, itscvery descendo from the cresendo

[@Must-yb3in]

I think the multiple forms of hamza would be only one form ء for example..

[@Shenepoy]

man the video was good till it reached the evolution part, the dune text is more like cursive arabic (رقعة) where you mostly don't write dots and arabic has many fonts that doesn't look anywhere near (نسخ) which is the standard way of writing.

[@Rrash_VA]

I spent 12 years in school, absolutely no one romoves the dots, they either write them as they are, or some other way, mostly in the ways i showed. Even doctors and farmasists write the dots. Trust me, my aunt was a farmasist, and i had to decifer her writing for years. But then again, i'l not sure, i'm mainly talking from my experience , i don't know which part of the arab world you're from. And i did say only some people write like this, not everybody, i never heard of رقعة, if i had i would've said something about that.

[@abdelhak943]

0:50 the preservation of the Quranic text is done through the oral recitations not through written texts.

[@Rrash_VA]

Of course. But that's just one part of it, look it up, to make sure that the original meaning of the quran doesn't get lost they had to make changes to the written form and also codify grammar, they noticed people making grammatical mistakes, even the native arabs not just the non arabs (عجم) so they had to really make sure everything is as it was bestowed on the profit peace be upon him. There was no room for error and confusion, that’s how you end up with, (تحريف) a slight change from "kasra" to "fatha" could prove fatal.

[@abdelhak943]

@@Rrash_VA The preservation of the Quran comes through the Tawatur of the recitations while adding dots to help non-Arabs is a whole different topic. There is not tahrif in the Quran for all the oral recitations can be traced back to the Shabah and the prophet peace be upon him.

[@Rrash_VA]

@@abdelhak943 ma maaaan i knooowww, but the oral tradition is just a part of the preservation effort, quite a big part for sure, but many people memorize the Quran from reading it, not by ear, they study the rules to read with tajweed and everything, but then they have to go off of the text itself, it's impossible to memorize the Quran correctly by reading if (chakl) isn't a thing and if (i3jam) isn't a thing. i don't know about you but when i wanna memorize a certain (hizb) i read it directly i don't open up an mp3 of (sudaysi) reciting it.

[@Rrash_VA]

@@abdelhak943 and when i said tahrif, i mean tahrif of the written form, because if it didn't have all of those necessary additions, many people would just read it incorrectly even if they are native arabs, therefore they would memorize it incorrectly

[@tastic3866]

Huh, that's weird as a Lebanese my education made me used to using harakat, and when I'm lazy i skip them but not the shadda

[@3407]

الشدّة (إدغام) is actually an extra letter, omitting it is should be wrong unless you explicitly write the hidden letter :) it's a bit of a special حركة. but sadly everyone does it wrong smh. this was a very cool video and take though. we love a fellow north african.

[@Rrash_VA]

Yeah i could've included that and (الهمزة) as well as a bunch of other things that were added, but i think i made the point regardless

[@3407]

@@Rrash_VA oh definitely, well done!

[@osos5117]

I think the writing system in Arabic is pretty good.. why would we change it

[@isancicramon0926]

in Iran (where people also write with this script, hello), the three dots are joined and form a full circle, it is very pretty. But your solution doesn't work, because the arabic script is first and foremost a _cursive_ : and the evolutions you imagine don't lend themselves too easily to being joined to other letters.

[@omvr7777]

i think this might be a moroccan thing. from the comments it seems that people from other parts of the world cant grasp that harakat aren't necessary most of the time.

[@NULTAMBOR807]

I come from the Maldives and our writing system thaana is similar to arabic where we only have constants as letters but the difference is that we always write with "harakaath" or "fili" in dhivehi and another neat thing in my opinion is that you can use it to write arabic phonetically with that said the 24 constants in our script does not represent every sound in the arabic language to make up for that we add dots to the existing leters for example alifu އ can be an ain ޢ or a ghain ޣ a thaa seen ސ can be a saadh ޞ

[@vcihiethea]

I mean, considering it's future, it would make sense for the script the become angular and then curved.

[@AndrewVasirov]

Nice, you made tha look like a funny looking þ (thorn). Maybe they're actually related like this?

[@abdrabotalbi22]

Mashalah I really appreciate you great job thanks a lot for your efforts

[@SuperBg234]

in syria we studied harakat in school

[@rboulkhi]

Mani gh la7wal n Agadir aghadli tllit ?

[@MALA123]

I will add one more thing Because in dune universe there is not any other language in the sand plant There is no need for people to write the dots because there is no new arabic Lerner So the writing system just go back to the more simpler version Since everyone will understand it just like Arabic writing system before islam P.s I didn’t watch any dune movie

[@runachan2910]

I think there is a certain way of writing in calligraphy where ق has a squiggly end over the line you write on instead of the dots and the ن is like a wave. I'm not a رقعة master (my normal handwriting makes me question my nationality 💀) but that's what I was told.

[@orlanjoyagolibart6489]

If arabic evolve as you show, then it will be more close to Amharic and others Semitic languages ❤

[@mohammedemad3715]

I think the reason most of modern native arabic speakers don't use حركات is because we don't actually speak real arabic? Like most of our dialects are significantly different to the standard arabic and most modern dialects don't care that much about being precise in the pronunciation cause other ppl speaking the same dialect will get it anyway how ever that's not the case in writing fromal scripts and poetry as some times it's crucial to use حركات especially in the case of poetry because you might end up lose alot of the depth and strength of the script and that's why academic Arabic speakers tend with much devotion to learning the proper use of the حركات and the proper sentence structure thus the existence of the departments of النحو and التعبير in the arabic language wich are two of the three main department of the Arabic language

[@SamAlQattan-p2h]

I thought a take on the mosnad alphabet for fremen could be interesting. Or something akin to dhivehi. The new writing system is just atrocious. It retains the dots and puts them on what I can only assume is Tamil or Cambodian of some sort.

[@somemeansfish8987]

I mean considering the original Dune was made in the 60s by an American I would consider even the devolution theory impressive considering the amount of knowledge he would have needed back then for that

[@Multifandomguy]

2:14 I know this is very off topic But for some reason I remembered that some Khaliji dialect in terms of pronouncing ج as ي

[@tehmightymo]

Idk, the examples you showed of how the letters might evolve in the future to me just don't look like they would make those sounds.

[@user-fo1cu6cn2d]

What you are referring to is what we call خط الرقعه

[@Razaneats..]

Guys my Arabic school made us do it with the ‏حركات 👀

[@mntation6329]

I like it without dots on litters but we love people so we put them on our litter to make easy for non Arabic Know pronounce them

[@ecgo]

For me the only reason I write harakat is because the teacher requires it 😭

[@noob-ru6sc]

my fifth grade teacher is the reason why i write the dash instead of the dots cuz he writes so fast and then wipes the whiteboard after 2 minutes

[@7SN1]

2:12 you just ignored that there are multiple ways to write in Arabic like Al naskh النسخ or rouqa رقعة or others

[@strfxfilm1942]

you should look at david j peterson's chakobsa script for the films, it's definitely more well thought out than the one from the dune encyclopaedia

[@namonamosimabarznjy4702]

i come from Kurdistan, The Kurdish Alphabet Might look Similar to Arabic, But it has a Few changes. First. Letters Are Pronounced Differently, For example, instead of Yah, There's yee. Yee has not Dots. And second, Kurdish has more letters than Arabic. Some letters are also found in the Persian Alphabet. There are much more changes aswell. Just go Search up "Kurdish alphabet" And See the differences for Yourself.

[@m7md_sadiq]

thank god I am Arabic I understand every word in dune

[@Krippyx]

Great video, love from Saudi

[@Strawberry_shortcake_786]

2:37 bro I can relate as a native urdu speaker we write urdu in arabic script and do this often😂

[@thedeepguy4267]

2:29 khouya ana fl 7a9i9a makan39lch la 3la 7araka wla i3jam kandir jouj chrtat ou sf😂😂😂😂

[@Rrash_VA]

😂😂😂 Ktebtek bayna fiha makat9rach

[@thedeepguy4267]

@@Rrash_VA jbtiha lass9a hhhh keep up a khay rak nadi🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ntluck1592]

I always used those dashes instead of dots, and I'm from Egypt. Pretty sure everyone I know does the same, from teachers at school to official documents. Dotting your letters? Ain't nobody got time for dat

[@yonce4305]

Wow you're moroccan 🙂 beautiful keep it up 🤍

[@youneschab2630]

Hi , i'm moroccan and it's my first time seeing your channel, keep up the work your work. However could you plz remove the divided map of morocco and replace it by they real one 1:29 Thanks in advance.

[@tsesia9746]

The movie version is completely different

[@hallowacko]

“Regression” and “devolution” are still evolution. In biology, creatures regress all the time, losing functionality and dropping things, when is the cost of keeping it is less than its helpfulness

[@somnvm37]

the video is great, but I have one note [hope that wouldn't sound aggressive or negative], i'm not sure which of the 2 videos claimed "devolution" either way, this idea is pretty wrong I don't really get why would anyone call any change in the writing system devolving. Imagine a writing system with just 1 character? so easy to read like, having the dots would make it easier to read but it's + complexity for the system + longer to write not having the dots requires more knowledge and skill but less complexity and easier to write. I think saying "devolution" makes no sense because there is just too many directions for a writing system, maybe something like japanese with 3 alphabets and complex logic everywhere it could be considered more evolved, but at the same time, it's a terrible tool and it takes years to learn and if you stumble upon a new word you're fucked. And for finnish for example, it reflects the pronounciation well, meaning it's a good efficient tool, but it only shows the sound and not the history or meaning of a word (bc it's just an alphabet), and it's much less complex. this reminds me of how everyone here [russia] comments on language differences. If english has many words for 1 concept then russian is "more efficient", if if russian has many words for one thing and in english its 1 then our language is "more rich". That's because proving that "our language is better" is the initial goal and all problems would be looked at from this perspective. another question: is hebrew writting "evolved" and good or non-evolved and bad? every letter has several sounds, every sound has several letters. Imagine if every word in english was spellt like eighet "is this 8? is this iffet? is this eye-yeet? is the t silent?...". So it's super complex, it requires a lot of memorisation, and it's good. At the same time it's a terrible tool, so it's not as good as just writting words with an alphabet, but it also doesn't write the vowels, so it's kind of more efficient?

[@Rasinmus]

Thank you for the non-music content

[@7SN1]

1:37 it actually depends on the words do they need it to be clear or not or are you writing something like a poem?

[@wasnt.here.3853]

The word you're looking for is atavism

[@Marta1Buck]

I learned classic Arabic, until I realized only minority of Arabs speak classic Arabic.

[@khengari77]

Even the hamza (الهمزة ء) Was added with the dots

[@7SN1]

0:44 just to be clear even ء wasn’t a thing but after Islam started in few decades non Arabs found it hard to read Quran so they were add so the non arbs well read Quran correctly

[@Hani0240]

I think arabic is too perfect to evolve

[@abdallahabdoulouafi1260]

I am Moroccan 😂😂

[@Rrash_VA]

Welcome to the channel then 😊

[@thecaracarn6544]

How are you Moroccan but put the wrong map?!!

[@Alamourem]

That's not true at all, Harakat are very useful almost all the time, it can lead to confusion without them, especially when speaking with people from different dialect. Also, i've never heard a Moroccan say "Harakat", and not "7arakat".

[@omvr7777]

no, harakat are not necessary. 99% of the time. you can read it clearly with no harakat if you grow up reading in arabic

[@nathanenzo6807]

Wrong. They will never evolve to those silly graffiti. And Morocco is not splitted in half

[@lizex.m]

كشخص عربي ما فهمت ولا اي شي. ممكن لاني ما تابعت المقطع اللي يتكلم عنه