The Excommunication of John Dehlin Pt. 3 - Bishop Brian Hunt (1/26/2014) | Ep. 1266

[@creekprincess]

I admire you, Dr. Dehlin, as a fellow psych nerd, and an ex-Mo, I applaud your stand and search for truth and "going after the one". My eyes bulged at the comment where he wasn't sure you were a sheep or a wolf. What a slap in the face. Bless you and your ministry!

[@dl1130]

Your a hero John Dehlin! Thank you for being an honest voice for so many who feel just as you. It's sad that we no longer feel welcome in the church we gave our heart and soul to. May any reading this know that it isn't your fault. The church chose to teach wrongly it's history . The leaders changed eternal doctrines that many based testimonies in. Yet the church continues to ignore it's role in being a major cause of so many not just leaving the church but leaving God altogether. "By their fruits ye shall know them". No apologies, just blame those who sought and found the truth that was successfully hidden or "sugar coated" for generations. God bless anyone in a faith crises. Keep your testimony in Christ.

[@saygrey]

The best church people are the three blind mice. Blindly following

[@Dragonfly5455]

Getting to this point illustrates just how unprepared the church leaders were to deal with anyone who wasn't willing to just follow the rules. The Elders don't have any tools to help anyone struggling.

[@pastimesfarm]

I am a never Mormon. But a huge fan of this podcast. I live in Utah and this podcast has helped me understand so many of My LDS friends. I listened to this and what I find remarkable is that the LDS men talk in circles. They never answer questions.

[@blarsen8]

It’s pretty interesting that you have been a force for change in the church where others just get in line and keep their head down.

[@OKbeingdifferent]

Sad they choose to live in ignorance, cruel they force others to do the same

[@KitKat-gw4rh]

"How do we find answers if we don't even know the questions?" 💜

[@KitKat-gw4rh]

I expressed something similar in a testimony meeting, about not knowing but believing. The next person got up and intensely expressed he KNOWS IT'S TRUE. I felt embarrassed and ashamed. And I caved. And from then on, until I left, I always said "know" just to avoid those feelings.

[@traceuse13]

Totally not a cult!

[@chrismiddleton4733]

Saying that you know it's true isn't being intellectually honest. NOBODY can know it's true. They'd have to intensely investigate it's veracity. And as we've seen, church history and doctrine crumble under such scrutiny.

[@pianomanchristopher]

Most of us cave under peer pressure. It's a basic need to want to fit in. I really admire those who have the courage to stand their ground despite that pressure. It's those people that are the force for change.

[@TheDudeKicker]

Brian Hunt is definitely a 'little man'. He reminds me of myself when I was a manager in my early 20s, scared that my employees wouldn't respect my power. I felt ashamed just listening to this.

[@CasinoKelly]

I am so proud of you, John. You never back down from your truth. I honestly believe that ALL of these men are just threatened by your knowledge of history and your eloquence in expressing your beliefs because someone like you can bring about a change that would destroy their power by encouraging critical thinking.

[@drumdude10]

“I don’t know any specifics, I’m just here to excommunicate you.” Bishop Brian Hunt

[@ScottBub]

Too bad his first name wasn’t Mike. 😂 😆

[@amymac41890]

@@ScottBub 😂

[@tysonholt2083]

This isn’t actually said by him, so hopefully people realize it’s a joke. That is his disposition though, it seems. Just preventing misinformation.

[@ldgormleyful]

This was very fascinating. I wonder how many have been forced out in essence in a variety of ways. I have not know. What to think of you or your podcast and this was very enlightening. Thank you for sharing. There is a lot of pain in these experiences of rejection and gossip and speculation under the priesthood mantle. I am currently looking at all the harm that’s been done in my own experience and saddened to hear it isn’t isolated.

[@exjwborn-in2134]

You & Margi are amazing people, Dr. Dehlin! ❤️❤️❤️

[@joylord6852]

That is the haircut you have to have after you give 10% of your income to a church.😅😂🤣

[@catht9653]

You comported yourself beautifully. This is a real example to all.

[@DuchessChau]

The passive aggressive behavior on behalf of the bishop made my blood boil.

[@Planet-Steel]

This is heartbreaking. I just wanna give you the biggest hug John. You are an inspiration x 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@robertdavid2839]

Thank you for broadcasting your past experience. Love your videos , will continue to Listen.

[@HungGarEarthBender]

Did they know you were recording them? I feel that you navigated this interview perfectly. Calm, succinct, intelligent.

[@pianomanchristopher]

You have an amazing way of gracefully standing your ground and with airtight arguments. I don't necessarily share all of your beliefs, but your reasoning, using precedents, is irrefutable. Hats off to you, John...

[@susiekathryn8570]

Having gone from probation to disfellowship to excommunication back in several years later and then being in a revolving door and now out of the church, this bishop …. Just wow…

[@budthebud9108]

That can't be a fair picture of the bishop. Nobody wants that haircut on the internet forever

[@HelloNewMoon]

Maybe Friar Tuck would

[@jbroblox6976]

I feel the spirit when I hear John speak, the conviction in his voice, and the truth behind what he is saying. This is sad?? We do need more people like John in the church to absolutely question issues, create an open forum for all those having doubts. The leaders of the church are supressing our first amendment rights. We are suppose to learn and grow as a community. By suppressing our questions and concerns, holding them inside for all our lives is unhealthy. The fact that we can't even discuss these concerns publicly really hurts me. It's refreshing to hear someone talk about the same issues that I have been feeling and going through for years. It's sad to see that this Bishop seems like he believes what John is telling him, but is a puppet, and already had a pre determined motive. This interview reminds me of a bishop with little to no knowledge attempting to rebuke an apostle who knows a vast amount more about the gospel and its teachings. Anyone else getting these vibes??

[@BensHappinessNetwork]

Yes! Exactly what it feels like.

[@nadzach]

I can't begin to imagine the lives John has saved among depressed young people. Whatever else I believe, I stand up and applaud.

[@barbaralael5092]

Oh John! You are so lead by righteous thoughts! I believe you'll be so blessed in the future!

[@cascade19]

It's all about the power and control of every member, do as I tell you or you're gone, a huge turn-off for me toward the LDS Church. I'm still a member but inactive. I'm slowly waking up.

[@theelliottfamilyvids]

I know this happened a bit ago... I’m sorry. I’m sorry this ever happened.

[@mormonstories]

Thanks Shauna.

[@Jessicace]

Wow... Spoken so eloquently John.

[@karispauly2626]

This all comes down to fear. Fear of your research, fear of being exposed, fear of cracks in the foundation. It's so sad to me.

[@Mindy14]

Excommunication is barbaric imo. Bless you for staying true to yourself and not just saying what they wanted to hear.

[@fredmarcin2793]

I love how John keeps his mouth shut after all these comments are made without a question being posed. It keeps Brian hanging on a delicious pregnant pause; one can tell Brian is waiting for John to chime in, but John is just too smart for that. Nice try, Brian, trying to hook John with your leading comments.

[@jackielarson444]

It's also really clear that he wasn't going to really listen to what you had to say. You were going to be excommunicated, end of story. I guess faith on the basis of hope is not enough to keep you from being excommunicated

[@Afrinadian101]

It's just so clear that, in all reality, there was absolutely nothing wrong with Dr. Dehlin's actual crisis of faith or perception; what the LDS church had a problem with was him talking about it.

[@OKbeingdifferent]

Mic drop ❤ 45:54

[@caine2b]

Bishop Hunt was way outta his league with John. What a tool.

[@kiquito]

Heya John and mormonstories team. Question: I noticed at around 29:33 the mention of how Brigham actually chastised women for not exercising their priesthood. I'm looking for that documentation. I wanted to show my wife this, but I'm having trouble googling it online, and wondering where that is documented so that I can do just that. Please let me know, and thanks for all you do.

[@JulieSnowstudiojuliesnow3698]

I am also looking for this info. I think that I saw something in the gospel topic essay about how women used to have the priesthood and as the essay went on it said we don't want to do that. But that's all I can find. Anyone else find more info?

[@HungGarEarthBender]

Pick any doubt or question that I have and you’ll find it’s a legitimate doubt and question.

[@bronwynplagemann5400]

I can't believe they put a man with a bowl cut in a leadership position

[@StacyOnt]

So much passive aggression in the Bishop's voice. Wow!

[@grantlarmstrong]

Wow. Thanks so much for posting this.

[@JulieSnowstudiojuliesnow3698]

50:00 John works with Marlon Jensen - survey about why people leave the church

[@marthashepherd341]

I am so sad to know this "church' is led by men who would shoot their Mom if she stepped out of line -figuratively speaking... To grill You, Dear Dr. John, is beyond nasty and evil. You are doing such Good by bringing the Truth of Your Journey to us. Thank You. Namaste ❤🙏❤

[@tarachapman916]

Did they ex communicate you for not believing everything is they said?

[@jackielarson444]

I would really appreciate a transcript of this meeting. I can't understand what the bishop is saying

[@Irena_Posner]

Yeah he's mumbling at time and the background noise is getting in the way. Which is not to say it is not an interesting discussion.

[@tandrews615]

Wow....It never ceases to amaze me the amount of arrogance & ignorance that is rampant in the church leadership...you would think it wouldn't shock me anymore, but it still does. Who really is the wolf in this setting? Pretty obvious to me the wolf has been given access to the flock and is eliminating the "weak". But maybe this guy is more like a weasel in the hen house. This just hurts my heart.

[@harrisonlapahie3483]

John Dehlin questioned the LDS Church about their philosophy which caused this problem. But they could not answer John's questions about Mormonism, they just listen. John is sharp, knowledgeable about the LDS Church, and is not a bad person. What Bruce R. McConkie said was not just by him, it was the philosophy of the LDS Church at that time. The LDS hierarchical leaders read McConkie 1st edition of the book "Mormon Doctrine" which they discussed with Bruce R. McConkie. They then assigned Spencer W. Kimble to watch over what Bruce R. McConkie would continue to do with the next edition of "Mormon Doctrine". The philosophy concerning blacks not having the the LDS Priesthood did not change in his next editions of "Mormon Doctrine". Bruce R. McConkie repented just to stay in "good standing" with the LDS Church. Bruce R. McConkie didn't do anything wrong with his book "Mormon Doctrine".

[@mattyb678]

This Brian Hunt guy just seems like such a weasel

[@TheSeant4005]

There are many hard issues in the LDS's churches history. The attitude that we should turn a blind eye to those issues because they are not faith promoting is absurd. There has to be the realization that other organizations have and are using that kind of blind obedience to cause major issues in humanity's history. There are many contradictions in the logic. Investigate, but only using material the church approves. It seems there is a complete lack of integrity in the process. The process would not be respected in any other arena.

[@barbaralael5092]

Worded very well!

[@kennethd.9436]

This bishop seems to talk at you instead of listening.

[@kennethd.9436]

It seems this bishop values a 14 year old saying he believes over a well-studied and educated adult. He puts particular emphasis on the church over independent thought.

[@JulieSnowstudiojuliesnow3698]

1:03:35 the reasons behind the coming out of the Gospel topic essays

[@rodneybadger5292]

Thanks for sharing this. Hard to understand what Brian Hunt is saying. Helpful if you can guess and create your best effort at subscripts

[@catht9653]

Turn on Closed Captioning. It's artificial intelligence, but it works pretty well.

[@catht9653]

Actually I take it back. I've turned them on, and it is missing most of what he's saying. Sometimes the CC is decent.

[@uncleericrocks]

ARE YOU CALLING JOHN DELIN A WOLF! PRICELESS!

[@exjwborn-in2134]

TY❤️

[@w00f72]

That haircut is the only issue I have here 😂

[@sarahdeedott]

Well I appreciate that....

[@keithjames266]

When you recorded your interviews with the stake president and bishop, were they aware they were being recorded?

[@jeff-fah-fah]

He explained at the beginning that they were not, that only one party (John in this case) is required to be aware for the recording to be legal. Whether it is ethical is a judgment call.

[@tysonh424]

@@jeff-fah-fah It wouldn't be genuine if they knew, and that definitely wouldn't be ethical.

[@jeff-fah-fah]

@keithjames266 they weren't being ethical with him, and therein lies the dilemma. He chose what seemed in his best interest at the time given the circumstances.

[@tysonh424]

@@jeff-fah-fah explain how that’s not ethical…it’s the only way to record a true conversation. If he told they, they wouldn’t have be been genuine

[@jeff-fah-fah]

@tysonh424 relax. I agree with you and with what he did. I said it was a dilemma. I didn't say he made the wrong choice.

[@southernbawselady7092]

WOW!!.. JUST WOW! John, after ALL you and your family have given to the church, and they have the nerve to hunt you down like a dog!! They have NO respect for others!!..They're just too messy just like their cousins the Jehovah's witnesses!!! Well it's definitely their lost!!.. You and your family are the BEST!! John, I bet they miss your 10% tithing! 😉

[@christopher6082]

Didn’t know Stephenson was punished for his role

[@frankvelazqiez2961]

Don't cast your pearls of great price before these swine. It wastes your time and annoys these swine. Just a thought peace love and understanding.

[@leannlong6204]

So painful to hear -- I'm sorry you and your family had to endure all of that. All the spying and "investigation" just makes me sick to my stomach.

[@littlezentz]

Brave man.

[@Merp974]

You never have been and you never will be a wolf in the flock. What a wildly aggressive and abusive comment to make to someone. I’m sorry John

[@peggynosbisch918]

I can't believe that anyone who had to sit through another person questioning their faith and tell them what they had to believe and stop asking questions and just sit there and be right.... Really? 😢

[@JosephTravelHiking]

I felt like that guy wanted you out

[@summerzephyr5232]

How members actually have a sure knowledge of the BoM, the Bible, Joseph Smith, Jesus, God.

[@lcutie36]

Facts over Faith..... Black or White.... no grey.

[@DeOmnibusDubitandum76]

13 Nevertheless, there were some among them who thought to question them, that by their cunning devices they might catch them in their words, that they might find witness against them, that they might deliver them to their judges that they might be judged according to the law, and that they might be slain or cast into prison, according to the crime which they could make appear or witness against them. (…) 16 And it came to pass that they began to question Amulek, that thereby they might make him cross his words, or contradict the words which he should speak. (Alma 10:13, 16)

[@tundramom]

Daniel Peterson. PUKE! Thank you for doing that, even though you don't wish him ill will, he's always been a vile person to those of us who left in the early 2000's.

[@utahman112]

Just curious, did this bishop ever give you permission to use such audio recording or publish his picture on KZbin? Is this respectful behavior?

[@JulieSnowstudiojuliesnow3698]

23:52 progressive mormons

[@romanstarr01]

These leaders of this church really could save a lot time and bulls.. by simple question interviews. Q:. Believe the church is what it says ? A:. Nope Q:. Want to make it official ? A:. Yep Sign here ... Q:. We still friends ? A:. Of course. Good, let's go bowling...

[@lenadams4604]

Spiritual Danites. Hilarious.

[@jeanlambert5613]

Cults are awesome

[@peggys121]

Boys K Packer-- NOT a good guy.

[@dennis-1983]

So Bishop doesn't want to be learned like you, admits he doesn't know the answers or even the questions. Just gonna pray and blame it on HF. Very funny

[@corakearney8333]

I am not a Mormon. But I suspect John you are wolf in sheep’s clothing 😢

[@peggynosbisch918]

Im amazed that your church allows this questioning 😢go on ... Faith and beliefs are personal and questions are going to come up in any Religion....😢😢😢