The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy

Eastern Orthodoxy claims to represent the faith of the Apostles and the Fathers. In this video, we examine those claims. This is a presentation of Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah, a congregation of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (www.gospelutah.org).
0:00 Introduction
2:45 By What Standard?
16:48 The Triumph of Heterodoxy
40:17 Who Is My Mother?
1:05:11 The Gospel of Asceticism
1:33:55 The Warrior Monks
1:50:57 Rewriting Church History
2:02:08 Orthodoxy: Behind the Mask

[@norah327]

I was orthdodox before but after seeing your video I am still a orthdodox.☦️

[@norah327]

@@ancientpathstv Well,english is not my first language but I wanted to say what I think.From what I have expirienced in orthodox church after holy mysteries, gives me confidence to say that Holy Spirit is in this church,I don't know for Catholic church and no one can tell me different.What I felt after my first confession can not compare with anything from this world!Of course this is something very personal but I have to write this because I know It's true what I wrote.I'm sorry if I don't write correct words.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@norah327 You're ignoring not only everything in the video, but what Jesus and His apostles said in the Bible.

[@norah327]

@@ancientpathstv No I don't.I don't want to argue with you.I respect what you said in the video but I don't agree.

[@krissmork]

@@norah327 To allow one self to see the errors of some traditions that are held by either our church or others is not the same as rejecting what God has done in your life. Nothing limits the Lord from ministering to you when you come with humbleness of heart and confess before Him, and His Spirit reaches all who are lowly of heart and calls upon the name of the Lord. We are many who have been blessed by the Lord and experienced His love and forgiveness, of all branches and streams of Christianity, something to be glad for! However, to close ones eyes to the failures and lacks that are, in spite of our experiences, present in our churchly practices and our understandings of the history of the faith and Church, is not the way to continue. We have the tendency to cling on to the instruments through which we experience grace, and the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, but we will do well in remembering that it is the Lord Himself we should cling on to, and not the instruments and human mediators. Stay honest to what is true, and when the truth is revealed do not reject it because of what is familiar and seems safe.

[@Imperator-01]

God bless you, sister ☦️

[@dougbell9543]

Tragically, like the Judaism of Paul’s time, Orthodoxy fails to accept the fact that there are people of true faith outside its own sacred doors. ✔️

[@eggbeats2785]

I was Orthodox before watching this video but now that I’ve watched the entire video I’m 100% staying Orthodox. Thanks for the video 🙏🏼☦️

[@ancientpathstv]

Words you may regret for all eternity.

[@imaginedreamingofficial3432]

@@ancientpathstv So are only the "reformed" Christians going to heaven? Say you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, are you disqualified?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@imaginedreamingofficial3432 Instead of trying to put words in our mouths, how about answering what we actually said?

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

@@ancientpathstv You said he may regret being Orthodox for all eternity. Unless you're some completely new brand of heretic, which is entirely possible given that you're Protestant, what you mean by that, since you're Presbyterians and thus entirely predictable, is that he's going to Hell because he's Orthodox. Unless Presbyterians now believe in some middle state, like purgatory? What else is eternal regret but Hell? You're not deep and mysterious, and we're not stupid.

[@Ljuta-Guja]

​@ancientpathstv You have already been disproven by a few brothers and all Fathers of the faith since 32ad. Guess your the only one that hasn't seen that.

[@gizmorazaar]

As a confessional Lutheran, I do in fact reject the Calvinist teaching of iconoclasm. However, I am in agreement on the matter of rejecting iconodulia as well. My understanding is that images of Christ and the saints can be helpful in prayer and devotion if witnessed, and can rouse piety in a man upon laying eyes on it, just as the same would be for one who sees an image of the Cross of our Lord. Yet, I would also never say it is necessary that these images be made not venerated. It’s a happy middle, as far as I’m concerned.

[@UnboxingChristianity]

Amen to that! 7 years i spent in this Gospel of asceticism which is no Gospel. It almost led me to renounce my marriage and hed for Athos! Praise God for his Glorious true Gospel of Free Grace.

[@ChrististKing]

☦☦☦ LORD HAVE MERCY! JESUS CHRIST! SON OF GOD, HAVE MERCY ON ME, A SINNER! ☦☦☦

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool]

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)

[@ancientpathstv]

@@peterorthodox360 Our foundation is the Bible and the testimony of the early church, not a bunch of medieval fictions.

[@houbertcanitio2199]

​@@ancientpathstv Your Calvinism is built on the foundation of lies

[@sethcarter1703]

@@houbertcanitio2199you quite literally just called holy scripture “a mountain of lies” see that’s what EO and RC don’t seem to understand. Every time you call us heretics you’re calling holy scripture heresy or you don’t understand sola scriptura. You cling to your traditions, you know, that thing the Pharisees used to nullify scripture. Who has the most “holy traditions” EO and RC. Now stay with me here, who argues against scripture more than anyone? EO and RC. Do you seriously think your church is infallible to falling into sin like the Pharisees?

[@nathanm8582]

Thank you so much for this brilliant exposition of church history and the power of the scripture alone. I considered Eastern Orthodoxy for some time as I was drawn to the aesthetics and the way it advertises itself as taking the faith more seriously, but the de-emphasizing of the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement and the heretical asceticism that is viewed as a virtue in the tradition are unacceptable. This context on the history of orthodoxy and the twisting of the truth that has slowly corrupted the movement is so important, as many in the west who are ignorant of this history are in danger of falling into this sect that attributes the teachings of man to God. Don’t be discouraged by the hate and slander coming from the orthodox community. I pray that they would listen to your points and that their eyes would be opened to the ways in which their doctrine lacks a firm foundation in the word of God. Please continue to speak the truth of the scripture with boldness🙏

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for your kind encouragement!

[@colehunt439]

Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us, sinners.

[@Ehhhhhsureeee]

I think what protestants are trying to say to the EO camp is, we believe that you dont practice in ways that we say you practice. For example, when asking most EO people, ' are those outside of the EO church not saved?" Most Eo people I have talked to will say, yes they could be but that is for God to decide. Truthfully, I agree with that, that is for God to decide. But the problem is, is that you have ecumenical councils that say the opposite. Basically saying that if you are not part of the EO church then you are not saved. So if you claim to be the true church. Then you must believe what they believed back in the day. If a modern EO person says I can possibly be saved outside of the EO church, then my simple response is that you do not even know your own history.

[@ancientpathstv]

Be sure to check out our latest video on Patriarch Cyril Lucaris. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@stpaulphillip]

Leave it to the Presbyterians to do actual research 👏

[@rsns776]

​@@user-mm7gv5hf3ogo cry idol worshipper

[@johnathanl8396]

I think I already commented but I have to say what an amazing job you did. This great work of love and compassion educates people from going into the darkness of Eastern Orthodoxy! Soli Deo Gloria!

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!

[@JoshuaCookLibertyIsRising]

The Orthodox Church in the US is seeing an increase in new converts while the Protestant denominations are in decline. As Protestants get more woke, the faithful look for a more ancient authentic faith. They start attending divine liturgical services and they find a home in Orthodox Church. At my parish many young men seeking the truth convert and they bring their families. So we are growing. My recommendation is attend a local parish and experience the Orthodox Way for yourself.

[@orwellianpepe7660]

Here in Germany people are leaving Catholic and orthodox churches en masse, only the Bible only/born again Christians are getting more and more every day.

[@Athabrose]

@@mkbr1992 and Protestants are growing more than any other tradition worldwide including orthodox countries. We can’t confuse the online orthobro fad with reality.

[@ancientpathstv]

Great job of avoiding all the issues in the video.

[@alpinefool8814]

@@eremiasranwolf3513 I mean, aren’t you kind of larping as a Protestant by trying to fit in with them by condemning the Orthodox, despite being a Papist? Also, how is that Papist prophecy by a literal child about Russia’s conversion to Papism going?

[@alpinefool8814]

@@mkbr1992 The overall amount of the Orthodox can still be dwindling overall while the amount of converts increases. These aren’t mutually exclusive. I know that in my parish last year we received more converts than any other year in the history of our parish.

[@dustinneely]

I agree with Fr. Josiah Trenham. His book Rock & Sand exposes Protestantism's failure.

[@ancientpathstv]

Appeals to authority make for poor argumentation. If you bothered to watch the video, you'd see that we document his lies. We hope to be exposing more in an upcoming video on this channel.

[@dustinneely]

@@ancientpathstv please. You're wasting my time. You appeal to your own fallacious authority that came about in the 16th Century. History is not on your side.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@dustinneely I give documented evidence. You just make gratuitous assertions.

[@dustinneely]

@@ancientpathstv claims do not equal evidence.

[@ancientpathstv]

​@@dustinneely We've documented our evidence from original sources. Instead of engaging the evidence, you're just claiming it's wrong. Engage the evidence and try to prove your case.

[@adamwrightus]

this video helped spur me to go to my local Orthodox church when I wasnt really wasn't feeling it. thank you for the encouragement!

[@ancientpathstv]

There's a day of judgment coming for all of us. Many will mourn the time they used mockery to evade the truth.

[@ancientpathstv]

@ZmayevOrder You say it "failed miserably," but no one has yet documented a single error. Like yourself, they bluster, but ignore the evidence.

[@ancientpathstv]

​@@adjustedbrass7551 The truth is that God has spoken, and He defines orthodoxy contrary to you. Eastern Orthodoxy isn't the faith of the apostles or the early church. We document the differences in the video, but since you don't engage any of its content, I'm guessing you haven't bothered to watch it all. I'm not to rehearse it all again in a comment.

[@MS-pw6jx]

Hey man, As someone who was a very serious inquirer for the better part of a year, can I ask what about this video leads you to be encouraged to head to your local EO church? God bless

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Kostas_Dikefalaios I stand with the Apostles and the church fathers against your Gnostic and medieval fictions.

[@polyglotomathotheophilos1941]

At around 13:10 the narrator compares St Athansius and St Make of Ephes to Luther and Calvin, satjng that their opposal to councels is the same as as Luther's and Calvin's. The big difference is that the first were part of Christ's church and were already proven teachers and honored with the highest rank of bishops and the second were 2 people who had 500 years separation from the truth and never came to know Orthodoxy. The comparison is just not equal.

[@ancientpathstv]

The point is that councils have erred. They contradict not only the Scriptures, but one another. The ultimate authority isn't Athanasius, Luther or Calvin, but God's clear teaching in the Bible.

[@willtheperson7224]

@@ancientpathstv Councils led by heresiarchs are false (As Saints Athanasius and Mark of Ephesus were against) Do you not get that?! But the rejection of all councils as binding as Luther and Calvin resorted to is going overboard beyond the recognition of false councils

[@ancientpathstv]

@@willtheperson7224 Did you actually watch the whole video?

[@willtheperson7224]

@@ancientpathstv I'm watching it, and I find this video on par with the Dimond Brothers videos against us when it comes to academic dishonesty

[@ancientpathstv]

@@willtheperson7224 Name-calling and avoidance of the evidence are signs that what you're defending is a lie. How about actually engaging the documented history and arguments from Scripture?

[@smittycity42]

Christ is Risen!

[@ancientpathstv]

Amen! We should therefore obey Him and His apostles, not the counterfeit traditions of men.

[@perryross3696]

Indeed he is Risen!

[@emiliaion3094]

​@@ancientpathstvyou follow a heresy, stop teaching us Christianity.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@emiliaion3094 We follow the Scriptures and the church fathers. You're the heretics.

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

@@ancientpathstv You do not reply "Amen!" when someone proclaims that "Christ is Risen!". You say "Indeed He is Risen!". Αληθώς Ανέστη! At least learn that, before you pass judgement upon anything related to Christianity.

[@stpaulphillip]

Seems to be a very honest evaluation of the councils and errors and contradictions that have occurred still watching. Thank you for this.

[@cww4700]

This was a phenomenal overview of Eastern Orthodoxy, so much of their tradition is based only off lore.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@geozaharia3715]

Fals

[@ancientpathstv]

@@geozaharia3715 We documented our claims. You can't.

[@davecorns7630]

I am protestant, after watching the video im still protestant

[@TheChristianKingTV]

Thank you so much for putting together all this information, it was very comprehensive and exactly what I was looking for. God bless you 🙏🙏

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@pg618]

These very important issues drove me to study church history and after several years of study I joined the Orthodox church and that is my home now for over 35 years. Let this inspire you to go and see and open your heart to the historical original ongoing book of Acts apostolic Church.

[@ancientpathstv]

Mormons also tell me to look for a "burning in my bosom," rather than following the clear teachings of God's Word. Instead of engaging their critics, they bear their testimony and insist they know their church is true.

[@pg618]

@@ancientpathstv what is this burning in the bosom? I have no idea what you're talkin about. And if the teaching from scripture is really clear then why are there thousands of denominations? you know it's totally subjective interpretations.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@pg618 The "burning in the bosom" is supposed to be a direct, subjective witness of the Holy Spirit to the truth of the Book of Mormon. They believe it trumps the Bible. The video dealt with the "thousands of denominations" argument. Did you watch it all?

[@imaginedreamingofficial3432]

@@ancientpathstv Are you familiar with John Frames book Evangelical Reunion?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@imaginedreamingofficial3432 Yes

[@donkeyfart7568]

Brother your video helped me greatly. I have been searching for a true church and Orthodoxy was my last hope. Thankfully I did research before jumping into it. Ive realized there is no "true" church except in those who truly follow God.

[@ancientpathstv]

God has spoken in the Scriptures. Ignore them at your peril.

[@donkeyfart7568]

@@ancientpathstv youre right. As much as I wanted to beleieve, I simply cannot agree with outright heresy/blasphemy. Keep up the good work

[@ancientpathstv]

Please watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@moranaokeoke990]

​@@donkeyfart7568 3 weeks ago you was Orthodox!? 😂 I mean God bless you on your path, but you should calm down yourself.

[@donkeyfart7568]

@@moranaokeoke990 No idea what youre talking about.

[@Jordan-1999]

This idea that the "One True Church" is a single recognisable organisation generally locked behind a particular sect of Christianity with the name "Eastern Orthodox" or "Roman Catholic" is so anti-scriptural. The Bible is clear that he who believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God has eternal life and is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already and has not life in him. Jesus spoke out against sectarianism and even condemned some of his followers for rejecting the faith of other believers because they were not apart of their particular group of people. The Church is the body of Christ and not one denomination or sect has perfect theology, these however are only but minor disputes (at least they should be). The Church is full of diversity and differences of ministries, but still under the same Lord. And instead of condemning each other to hell, like scripture says we should be caring for one another in Christ despite our differences.

[@Jordan-1999]

@@clint5814 The one true Church is the body of believers, all who preach the biblical gospel and all who believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God and who keep His commandments. Jesus forbid sectarianism and condemned some of His followers because they like you thought lesser about the faith of others, because they did not follow their particular group. Hypocrites! You do not see? For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, and do not allow those who are entering to go in. As members of the one body of Christ the one true Church, there is differences in ministries but all under the same Lord. The problem is instead of condemning people like me to hell for rejecting icon veneration, like the apostle Paul says all the members should have the same care for one another.

[@Jordan-1999]

@@clint5814 Jesus never condemned people because they had disputes regarding certain practices, many of His followers disagreed on many things which where not salvific, no but rather He said the one who believes in the name on the only begotten Son of God is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, for he has not believe in the name of only begotten Son of God. Do you believe this?

[@Jordan-1999]

@@clint5814 Does your church allow divorce? Would divorce be permissible if there was a risk to life? You who is without sin cast the first stone! As for me, it is not my place to judge individuals, for with which standard that I judge, the same will be brought upon me. You say adulterers are excluded from the kingdom of God, but I say all sinners who do not repent and believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God shall not see the kingdom of God.

[@Jordan-1999]

@@clint5814 Ah, so youre a Roman Catholic, lots to pick from then. My brother, we will continue this discussion later. I am getting ready for work (nights), so I will get back to you tomorrow if you wish. You might want to rethink about your churches views on divorce (putting into mind the words of Christ and the apostle Paul), before calling me an unbeliever.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@John-xc2qn]

I’ve yet to hear the Gospel from an orthodox Christian

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

they deny penal substitutionary atonement, original sin, grace along by faith alone of course they're not gonna have a true gospel

[@Benjamin-bq7tc]

@@jalapeno.tabasco Yeah, we reject heresy.

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

@@Benjamin-bq7tc imagine calling the gospel heresy...

[@HangOn31]

​@@Benjamin-bq7tcYou really like a BIG FAT LIE

[@BigSoul29]

Orthodox share the gospel every single service. All their services are lead from scripture directly and they read the bible as a CHURCH to avoid people making their own iinterpretations, they also partake in the eucharist. When christ said, this wine is my blood and this levant bread is my flesh, he wasn't joking. Prostestants think that is "symbolic" but not really his flesh nor his blood, in scripture, christ never said " oh btw, this is symbolic". It's by partaking in the eucharist that the body of christ enters you and you become part of the body, prostestants have grapejuice and gluten free bread....

[@user-yk5rf6bk7s]

The amount of church fathers against images is astounding, or at least, the amount of opinions that contradict the use of icons

[@jakeroon]

it really is- funny how those guys are always run out of the church or their writtings deemed as heretical- isn't it?

[@saltMagic]

I mean there was a literal iconoclast/iconophile civil war that lasted about 150 years.

[@jennynugg7681]

I am baptized Eastern Orthodox (Greek) and actively question the Church. My biggest issue being on salvation. Thank you for this video.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Please check out our followup. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U We hope to have a third video on the filioque soon. My plea is to test all things by God's Word in the Scriptures. Remember, no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.

[@darthwolfius7746]

​@@ancientpathstv Please talk with your priest about your problems and he will help you. Don't throw away your salvation, if you just came to the True Church, give it time learn and ask question, but be careful don't be too hasty and burn out yourself so then satan can come to tempt you to believe you are not in the right place. God may give you wisdom! Pray whenever you seemed like it and God will listen!🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ancientpathstv]

@@darthwolfius7746 Please stop playing games and engage the evidence. Eastern Orthodoxy is a medieval counterfeit that anathematizes the historic and biblical faith of Christ's church.

[@jennynugg7681]

@@darthwolfius7746 I appreciate your response.

[@darthwolfius7746]

@@ancientpathstv dude.... Really? You just described the Latin church...... the Roman Pope (aka the bishop of Rome) held no special hierarchical position, but had the same power that every other Patriarch held over his own See. He enjoyed special prerogatives, such as presiding - being the President, or the Primate, - at the most honorable place at Ecumenical Councils. However, the Roman Pope didn't enjoy any of the "powers" that Vatican 1 invests him with - such as telling the rest of th Bishops what the right faith is(Infallibility and Supremacy); or going outside the Roman See and ordaining, or removing, clergy(Supremacy). That would breach the jurisdictions that the Churches abide by. Nor was he understood as having impossibility to defect(Indefectiblity). All the Churches spoke highly of Saint Peter and the Church of Rome as the best representative See of his work in Christ. However, Rome was not uniquely and exclusively identified with being of Saint Peter. The mistake, or intentional deception, of the Roman Church is trying to claim exclusivity to identifying with Saint Peter and uniqueness in having some inherent powers that come with said identification. As in, the other Apostles and their respective successors do not enjoy such powers, and even Churches outside of Rome, that happen to be successors of Saint Peter(were founded by him and the first priest was ordained by him), also do not have them. In the East we believe Christ as the Head of the Church and Saint Peter as the Head of the Apostles, but what he enjoys, the rest enjoy as well. He is "first", or "premier" of the same class the other Apostles belong to, and not a class, or category, of his own above the other Apostles. Saint Peter didn't command them, as if he's their boss and they serve him. No, they were coworkers in Christ - belonging to the same category of Apostleship. The Western conception mutated into this abomination, where they hijacked Saint Peter and made him a class of his own, not a coworker to the other Apostles, but in a sense their master and his only Master being Christ. They literally believe no one can judge Rome and the Pope(or at least, their dogma postulates so). No power is above Rome and the Pope, but only God. Of course, they don't act consistently with this, as when a bad Pope comes, all of a sudden you can judge his behaviour and proclamations on faith, but still have it dogmatized that he's Indefectible, Supreme and Infallible. So yeah... Furthermore from the 5 Patriarchal seats, Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem one succeeded (Rome) from the other 4, then have their own ecumenical councils making and changing the dogma of the Church..... The Orthodox remains the same orthodox which translates as right believer, the orthodox kept what the Apostle and early Fathers preached and what was decided by the first 7 Ecumenical Councils. I'm not bad intended, everyone can draw his own conclusions. I didn't come here to argue endlessly this is the only argument I will make. For the rest of them everyone make his own research.

[@ridingthecosmos6273]

I was once a protestant and once I looked into church history I am now on my way to being an Orthodox Catechumen! All Glory to God!

[@ancientpathstv]

Mormons say the same. Instead of listening to God's Word and the historic testimony of the church, they invent their own history and bear their testimony. I pray for them, as I pray for you, that God will open their eyes, and they'll stop loving lies.

[@ridingthecosmos6273]

@@ancientpathstv Baptists say it Presbyterians say they are the original church. So do Amish and Pentecostals. The Orthodox and Catholics can trace their roots to Jesus and Not John Calvin and John Knox.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@ridingthecosmos6273 We documented the contrary in the video. Instead of engaging the arguments, you just bluster.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@icxcnika2037 Rant, rant, rant. If you could answer the evidence you would, but you can't.

[@frankperrella1202]

Eastern Orthodoxy Documentary is solid 🪨 I'm not Prostestant I'm a Catholic who loves Jesus Christ & that's What the Church Father's wants. Jesus Christ Said to follow the will of the Father. Eastern Orthodox are becoming National isolated Churches supported by Russia, the American Orthodox doesn't agree with ROCOR. Schism since 2018 in Eastern Orthodoxy just facts. 🙏🗝️🗝️

[@doulostheou777]

Brilliant presentation. Thank you for showing the truth of scripture vs man made tradition.(former Roman Catholic and now Presbyterian)

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! And praise God! 🙂

[@ancientpathstv]

You might also enjoy our followup video on Cyril Lucaris and this one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@l.w.6871]

I pray God opens your eyes to the only Truth. Eastern Orthodoxy ☦️.

[@ancientpathstv]

I pray God will open your eyes to the truth in His Word. I pray you'll stop playing games and actually engage the evidence. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.

[@ivandemirevski7756]

​@@ancientpathstvhe probably didnt even watch the video.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@ivandemirevski7756 I'm seeing a lot of complaining and personal testimonies, but not a lot of engaging the evidence. The most substantive criticism I've heard is that it was supposedly "dishonest" to play a clip of Patriarch Kirill, because not everyone agrees with him. 🙂

[@SabbatarianCalvinist]

@@ivandemirevski7756he probably didn’t read his Bible either.

[@sashaabi]

@@ancientpathstv i'm from Russia and it's true that not all ortodox like patriarch, however everyday in church they have to confirm his authority in from of people and not critisize him. and i see many people from west who go to ortodox church write something that thay have Bible studies from ortodox church, however it doesnt ever happen here in Russia. never seen a ortodox preist preach on a street about repentace or invite someone to church, trying to call people to come or talk with them, or give bible. here in russia is only protestant churches who do that and ortodox priests call baptists and protestants a cult and herertics and false church. Also someone in baptist bible study told me that even in Russian Ortodox Church there are many diffrernt teaching and it's vary a lot from one priest to another. He said some even preach "saved by faith" but other ortodox say they are wrong.. i'm gonna watch the video now beceause i want to see what else is wrong with their techings and not feel shamed all the time anymore about not being in this church. And so i can have citical thinking about this propaganda

[@christophergrant6989]

I am not sure how one can say that the Council of Hieria is rejected by Orthodox because it sounds Protestant. Doesn't your video show that the 7th Ecumenical Council was established prior to Protestantism? If you are saying that Orthodox today pick and choose which councils to accept based on their reaction to Protestantism it reveals a deeper misunderstanding and misrepresenting of how tradition functions in Orthodoxy. There is nothing in your quote of the Council of Hieria that sounds Protestant. It speaks of accepting what was handed down from the earlier councils and not of searching the Scriptures as the final authority. Just imagine an OPC General Assembly saying the same thing about these first six councils and you will understand my point. Also, the icons are just a manifestation of an underlying orientation to the saints that wsa held by both iconoclasts of Hieria and the iconophiles of the 7th Ecumenical Council. Both councils believed in the intercession of the Saints - a dogma that was ubiquitous and pre-Nicea. The iconoclasts believed what no Reformed Protestant believes - that holiness is mediated through material things like water, the Eucharist and the symbol of the Cross. This is the failure of Protestantism. The Apostles did not just leave us Scripture, they imparted their very lives to their successors. That way of life was passed on by the Fathers and preserved by the Church. I spent over 20 years in Protestant churches. The only time the Fathers and Saints were mentioned was to criticize them. If anything good was mentioned about Athanasius or Polycarp or Augustine it was only with qualification that they were in error on many points. For example, Protestants would not accept the views of Athanasius put forth in his Life of Anthony so why should we take seriously anything they quote from Athanasius to make him sound like a Protestant. There is no mechanism in Protestant churches like yours for honor to the Fathers because they don't belong to you. You don't receive them. Sadly, you are orphans. That is the failure of Protestantism.

[@ancientpathstv]

The Council of Hieria was the first to address icons and declared John of Damascus a heretic. They didn't have the label "Protestant," but, like those who would later be called Protestants, they argued from Scripture. The Second Council of Nicaea declared John of Damacus a saint and relied on his fake history of oral tradition. Just as it is fallible today, the church has always been fallible. There are fathers who are more and less faithful to the Scriptures. That doesn't mean we ignore them. Our congregation recites the Nicene Creed in every worship service. None of the early fathers support icons or your gospel. You can make all kinds of gratuitous assertions to the contrary, but that doesn't make them true.

[@christophergrant6989]

@ancientpathstv Please explain... what is the point of reciting a creed if you don't belong to the body that formed that creed and you reject everything else that they stood for? Why use a creed at all?

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@jamessheffield4173]

let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the Word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth.[1] Basil the Great, The Letters, Letter 189 (To Eustathius the Physician).

[@whatisyouranchor]

Great video, my friend. Very insightful. God bless you

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@firstsmoofy]

This a very good and informative study. Thank you.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@Eli_Clark]

The quote mining in the first 5 minutes is already laughable. Irenaeus, in the same book III of Against Heresies, affirms tradition passed down by the presbyters and clergy. In Chapter IV of Book III he even more clearly lays out how the Church keeps the truth and apostolic tradition. Unbelievable.

[@ancientpathstv]

The rhetorical games you're playing are laughable. "Quote mining" and "cherry-picking" are terms used when people can't actually demonstrate that a quote is taken out of context. You've set up a straw man, where oral tradition is equal to Scripture or ignored. It's neither. Irenaeus said what he said. The quote calls the Scriptures the "pillar and ground of our faith" and flies in the face of those who want to subordinate them to traditions that contradict them and one another.

[@aCatholicOne]

This point is utterly humiliating, and laughable, Eastern Orthodox quote mind 7th Century quotes made by Heterodox to support their ideals. Not only that but there are whole letters written about the idolization of icons (Letter LI. From Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, in Cyprus, to John, Bishop of Jerusalem) which is mentioned in this video if you even watched it.

[@gsnow2526]

​@@ancientpathstvSt Paul said the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Logic itself will tell you this.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@gsnow2526 Do you think Irenaeus was oblivious to Paul's statement? Do you think it somehow negates what he said? Please stop playing games.

[@gsnow2526]

@ancientpathstv exactly. Hence, when you read more of Ireneus you see his acceptance of Apostolic tradition and Apostolic sucession

[@andrewdamerau2742]

This is a better advertisement of Orthodox Christianity than it is a rebuttal lol. I appreciate that you let the Orthodox clergy sprak for themselves rather than only stating your own claims 👍

[@ancientpathstv]

We let them speak, because we have no interest in battling straw men. We know no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars. As to "advertising Orthodoxy," Mormons claim the same about their critics. They refuse to admit their claims can't stand up to scrutiny.

[@frankperrella1202]

I'm Catholic the Eastern Orthodox Church is Political Fractured National Churches ROCOR the American Orthodox Church wants nothing to do with Russia. Reason & Theology Michael lofton I like his channel & Tim Staples ex Fundemetalist Baptist now Catholic. 🙏

[@frankperrella1202]

​@@ancientpathstvI agree the Eastern Orthodox pick & choose Council's. I'm Catholic & thought you did a solid job, You should watch the Debate Dr Robert Sungenis vs James White. God bless 🙏

[@ancientpathstv]

@@frankperrella1202 Thank you! We actually put together one of those debates with Sungenis here in Salt Lake City, along with another with Gerry Matatics. I moderated both. Please watch this other video we made. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@frankperrella1202]

@@ancientpathstv Awesome I will check it out. 🙏👍

[@tristanjohnson822]

Before watching this, I was Orthodox. After watching this I am still Orthodox and will be until the day my soul departs this earth

[@ancientpathstv]

Mormons love their lies too.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@fadikhoory5350]

Get ready for Kyle to come after you!

[@enslavedbytruth]

😂

[@Ac-ip5hd]

Protestants gonna have that Cartman voice like : “Kyyyyyle!!!!”

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@joshuajaison9957]

Kyle just cannot respond to this lol

[@fadikhoory5350]

@@joshuajaison9957 Oh yes, you need Jay Dyer, and David Erhan, give it another minute, and you'll get Fr Peter Heers, and Gregory Decapolite.

[@AW27007]

Im a Orthodox, and will stay Orthodox. HOWEVER, this video was interesting to listen to, thank you.

[@ancientpathstv]

Please deal with the issues raised. Your church anathematizes me. They're preaching an unbiblical gospel.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@justian1772 Gratuitous assertions make for bad argumentation. We offered documented evidence. You've just blustered.

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

@@ancientpathstv I'm surprised you know what the word anathema means. We're the only Church still proclaiming anathemas, 2,000 years later. Even the Roman Catholics have fallen to the soft times.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@CHURCHISAWESUM As shown in the video, the Apostle Paul pronounced anathemas on your gospel in Galatians 1.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@soare5182 You might want to consult the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. It defines an anathema as a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication; the denunciation of something as accursed; a vigorous denunciation : curse. If you read through the comments, I've repeatedly been called a heretic and a demon. Instead of using prayer to ignore the lies of Eastern Orthodoxy, I'd prefer you deal with what's in the video and test all things by God's Word in the Bible.

[@TwitchyThelogian]

Great documentary. It was very informative, and I know the Lord will use it to further His kingdom!

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Be sure to check out the follow up video on Cyril Lucaris.

[@johnbostic4063]

Thank you for doing this video, I was considering joining eastern orthodox, my friends recently joined a Russian 1, they were encouraging me to join. 1this video definitely made me realize, I am not going to join eastern orthodox

[@ancientpathstv]

Test everything from God's Word in the Bible, and feel free to contact me directly through the church website.

[@iulianviorelmosteanu2800]

Staying Eastern Orthodox till death, thank you for clarifying! You deceiving us will not help you escape eternal hell!

[@ancientpathstv]

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16

[@whiteoctober4582]

​@@ancientpathstvYou're not St. Paul. What you think is truth is just prelest

[@ancientpathstv]

@@whiteoctober4582 I don't claim to be Paul. I'm showing you what Paul said in the Bible, and you ignore it.

[@whiteoctober4582]

@@ancientpathstv he said it about himself, not for you to use out of context or even worse to describe yourself using his own quote about himself

[@ancientpathstv]

@@whiteoctober4582 I've demonstrated the truth from the Scriptures and church history. If name-calling is the best defense you have for Eastern Orthodoxy, you really need to reconsider it.

[@tomhitchcock8195]

Orthodox spend more time promoting and venerating them than the scriptures themselves. This is the chief point of the reformers

[@EricAlHarb]

We must give honour and praise to the Theotokos and saints who are our rulers in heaven along with Christ. According to scripture!

[@EricAlHarb]

@@TheReformedCatholic Matthew 19:27-28 27 Then Peter responded and said to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?” 28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the [l]regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on [m]His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Firstly do you agree that the saints rule and judge with Christ in heaven over us? 1Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. 2Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves. 😅 and even this is poorly understood by the Protestants who reject the divine council of God. I’d like any Protestant to explain the plain meaning of these texts. They cannot has been my experience.

[@EricAlHarb]

@@TheReformedCatholic so why don’t you exegete the text and tell me, do the saints rule over you, in heaven? I’m open to an explanation that does not indicate that they rule over the faithful Since it seems to me that you interpret 12 tribes to mean the disbelieving Jews. Whilst I would say the 12 tribes are the kingdom of God and the saints rule and judge over us. And we owe them praise and honour as our rulers.

[@Apinetree123]

@@TheReformedCatholic I guess you can't respect any person you come across then. Or you'd be worshipping them.

[@EricAlHarb]

@@TheReformedCatholic do you agree that the saints rule in heaven over you along with Jesus?

[@user-pj7sq7ce1f]

@@TheReformedCatholic are the saints alive in Christ or you see them as dead?

[@Orthmosis]

Would you be willing to participate in public discussion to see if this presentation can withstand further scrutiny?

[@Baboonfromdatoon]

This

[@ancientpathstv]

I've already agreed to an interview with an Eastern Orthodox apologist.

[@TikhonFread]

@@ancientpathstv Would you mind sharing who you will be interviewing with?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@TikhonFread Craig Truglia

[@TikhonFread]

@@ancientpathstv Oh...

[@zp5600]

This is a really well put together video. I have been looking into Orthodox a fair bit recently, however this video has also helped to anchor me into discerning between tradition and biblical teaching. I like the comparison you make of when Jesus rebukes the Pharisees of their traditional practices that were not supported by biblical teachings. This definitely opened my eyes to not just blindly accept traditions as being the "spoken" teachings passed down through the churches. Thank you for your perspective you have brought

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@IsraelCountryCube]

Ive told many Catholic women and men that if "God" would, is calling me to become priest, that is the only objection i have to Catholicism because i want children and wife because naturally i feel the emotional and physical need to do so. I feel so much stress thinking how i am not going to get what I've longed for over decade what i truly needed the moment i was self exposed to pornography. Im Catholic but i just know priesthood is not for me. I dont see Protestantism as true neither.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@IsraelCountryCubePlease watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@jakeroon]

Any church that has such a history of constantly moving the goal posts of redemptoion and sactification and justification etc etc rooting them not in any scripture , but is wild mysteries and myticisms- is just a cult- no matter how old or well established.

[@Orm-zn6fl]

When anyone in this comment section expresses his/her sympathy towards EO, you always compare them to mormons, gnostics etc. Do you understand that this is logical fallacy? Your entire line of argumentation is logically fallacious.

[@ancientpathstv]

You really need to study logic more. A gratuitous assertion (proof by assertion) is a logical fallacy. Eastern Orthodox seem to think saying something without (and contrary to) evidence makes it true. It doesn't. You've just given another example. Mormons similarly ignore the Scriptures and historic evidences against their claims, and assert a mystical experience trumps all that. If you don't want to be compared to Mormons and other Gnostics, stop arguing like them.

[@HangOn31]

@Orm? Logic is not hanging out with you

[@Etihwkcirtap]

Once was a protestant went catholic nobis than traditional and eastern and now ROCOR orthdox. The closest to early church.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Etihwkcirtap How about engaging the evidence in the video?

[@rickcampanella4254]

​@@ancientpathstvnobody wants to go scripture by scripture, they would rather argue then give us scripture. People with no foundation in the word instead just want to attack but never back it up by scripture.

[@orwellianpepe7660]

They want to believe in spiritual Platon and Aristoteles Philosophy instead of Christ. I want to follow Christ, so my authority is Christ. And his life and teachings are in the Bible. I don’t need philosophy from church fathers to believe in Christ.

[@Benjamin-bq7tc]

No, your authority is yourself.

[@calebantwi1800]

So is yours and every single person in history. You choose to lay down your authority to the EO, he chooses to be a protestant. If you woke up tomorrow and chose to not be EO you'd leave.

[@BrockSamson18]

Thank you for this video. I found it very helpful.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! We made a followup video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U We hope to have a third out soon on the filioque, and I'm working on the fourth and final one.

[@collinlynch4569]

This is still one of the best videos on KZbin. It really highlights Rome’s and the East’s accretions. It inspired me to look into 1st through 3rd century churches. It’s helped me a lot into finding resources for evangelizing and teaching in my church.

[@emiliaion3094]

God bless Orthodox Christians! ❤❤❤

[@ancientpathstv]

May He bless them to turn from their lies to the Jesus of the Scriptures!

[@WarThunderers]

@@ancientpathstvMay God have mercy on your soul for calling the Body of Christ liars

[@ChadGrindstaff]

@@WarThunderersindeed may we all be healed by His merciful grace.

[@jonahndungu1652]

I’ve been searching through the internet, through books, and through the scriptures for the truest form of Christianity. It’s so hard and there’s so much out there. Thank you for this resource. Thank you for especially going to primary sources instead of playing the telephone game. Thank you for hearing out the other side and not shouting curses or damnations. As someone who has been searching into Catholicism and Orthodoxy (Eastern and Oriental) as well as the different expressions of Protestantism, it has been a weary search. I’m nowhere near the end of that search but I have more fuel to the fire thanks to this video. Of the many debate and dialectic videos I’ve seen, this is without a doubt one of the greatest. Perhaps the greatest in a response to Orthodoxy (which doesn’t have much opposition at this time). May God bless you and keep you and the team that helped you make this video. I pray that you have the strength to continue to pursue the Way, the Truth, and the Life- our Lord Jesus Christ. I ask that you pray the same for me. Don’t know if you’ll see this comment but I hope you will be encouraged and continue with the channel! PS. This may be too forward of me but if you were to make a video comparing the classical branches of Protestantism (Anglican, Reformed, Lutheran, and others if any) in such depth as this video that would be much appreciated! God bless and thank you again! And to all you Orthodox, Catholics, and Protestants. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May your search for the Truth be blessed with the experience of the person of the risen Christ. I consider each of you who does the will of our Lord as my brothers and sisters. Let us pursue Christ and be filled with love for Him above all else. Let us stand together in Christ and look to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the age to come. But until that day, let us continue to fight not against flesh and blood but against the powers of darkness. God bless you all.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for the kind note. Please check out our other videos on this channel, including An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics and The Atheist Illusion. If you're looking for a perfect church, God makes clear in the Scripture that you won't find it in this world, but that doesn't mean you can't find faithful churches. There is a qualitative difference between those who tremble at God's Word and those who don't. I also encourage you to watch the debate I did with the pastor of First Baptist Church of Salt Lake City. I'm not much of a debater, but I think it was made clear that as with the Pharisees of old, there are those who hide from God in religion. Remember, no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars. Stay in God's Word, on your knees, and in fellowship with His people. If I can be of assistance, contact me through www.gospelutah.org.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@Angel-cu5mf]

EO is another example of how men love their traditions and religions.

[@rybojames4111]

wow, thankyou. this was a great video

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@alek27e]

The only true Church of Christ. Orthodox Church. God bless you all. ☦️

[@orwellianpepe7660]

Lies are truth?

[@ancientpathstv]

We took the time to hear Eastern Orthodox claims and engage its arguments. Like a Mormon, you ignore all the evidence and testify to what you want to be true. May God bless you with a hunger for the truth.

[@alek27e]

@@ancientpathstv Because we abide in the truth, we can never be hungry. And we drink from living water, so we can't even get thirsty...

[@ancientpathstv]

@@alek27e Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Gospel of Matthew 7:21-23

[@alek27e]

@@ancientpathstv That's a dry belief of yours. Just brandishing Bible quotes...nothing new. Goodbye.

[@orwellianpepe7660]

@ancient path, Brother I have two questions: what is the orthodox priests name at 37:16 min? And what exactly does he say at 37:16? Does he say “john chrysostom never saw an iconostasis”? (Or iconoclast)? I’m sorry but my English is not the best and I want to translate it in german. I think he’s saying iconostasis right? Because he points to what is behind him.

[@ancientpathstv]

That's Archpriest Patrick Henry Reardon of the Antiochian Orthodox Church. He's saying the iconostasis is a later development and that Chrysostom would never have seen one.

[@orwellianpepe7660]

@@ancientpathstvthank you for answering! I just found out that Buddha is a saint in catholic and orthodox Christianity. (Ioasaph) I am speechless by the legends they use and frame it as “apostolic tradition”….wow.

[@larrymcclain8874]

The RCC and EOC is Christianity circa 5th-6th century, when the church worship became ceremonial and sacrificial. Before this time in the early years it centered around "reading the memoirs of the Apostles," and "eating an ordinary food," with additional prayers and hymns. Very simply done, and very down to earth and basic. Quite similar to how the Jewish Synagogues were conducted then with the addition of the communion service.

[@jamessheffield4173]

They are charging me with innovation, and base their charge on my confession of three hypostases, and blame me for asserting one Goodness, one Power, one Godhead. In this they are not wide of the truth, for I do so assert. Their complaint is that their custom does not accept this, and that Scripture does not agree. What is my reply? I do not consider it fair that the custom which obtains among them should be regarded as a law and rule of orthodoxy. If custom is to be taken in proof of what is right, then it is certainly competent for me to put forward on my side the custom which obtains here. If they reject this, we are clearly not bound to follow them. Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the Word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth.[1] ] Basil the Great, The Letters, Letter 189 (To Eustathius the Physician).

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@orwellianpepe7660]

This video destroyed Eastern Orthodoxy. Orthodox Christians should start following Christ. Read the Bible.

[@courtneykees21]

This video is laughably ignorant. It's only going to destroy the credibility of its creator. Or maybe start a new denomination

[@thomasewatt]

Former protestant, reading Holy Scriptures is what led me to the Holy Orthodox Church Especially when I started to seek those who put together the Canon of Sacred Scriptures. Video is purely philisophical and the actions of the author in the comment section doesn't help. If he demands debate maybe he can debate @OrthodoxKyle and / or Jay Dyer

[@Er1HM]

@@thomasewatt "Orthodox" Kyle is only claiming to be orthodox because its aesthetic and cool nowadays on tiktok. He is far away from jesus' teachings and is twisting holy scripture and church father writings. You can tell because Kyle is butthurt that Orthodox pray to dead people but he still advetises it because its part of the orthodox heretic "aesthetic".

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

Christ established the Church. Leave your lgbt polyamorous rainbow pony pastor that lectures from his mom's basement, and go worship God, and venerate the Saints in a real Church.

[@JoshAlicea1229]

It’s funny how hubris many Protestants are when they think they know the scriptures better than those who have the same mindset as those who wrote it. Think of the scriptures like a camcorder with all of your early family vacations. You are showing them to your grandchildren. Do the videos have the entirety of what was said done on those vacations? No, the have the highlights, and important moments. But as Paul said, there were some things that were written, and some things that were taught verbally in person. Yes we have everything we need in the Holy Scriptures, but the menu is not the meal. The meal is found in the Orthodox life which the Scriptures describe.

[@ancientpathstv]

We document the lies of Eastern Orthodoxy, and the best you can offer in rebuttal is a bad analogy? Eastern Orthodoxy can't provide a single word of Paul's teaching other than what's in the Bible. It simply claims everything it does is based on oral tradition. We demonstrate that what you insist is was delivered orally contradicts not only the Scriptures, but the faith of the early church.

[@JoshAlicea1229]

@@ancientpathstv REBUTTAL TO “THE FAILURE OF THE EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH” kzbin.infohJvYz8duZhM?si=LjlRkP4LsfC7domv

[@johnh6487]

Do you have a detailed outline available for further study?

[@ancientpathstv]

Sorry, no. I make these in my spare time, while pastoring two churches and a mission work spread over 300 miles. 🙂

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@AReformedBeliever]

Good much needed video

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@Ehhhhhsureeee]

Just want to say that you did a great job with this documentary. I feel as though I need to constantly argue with those who disagree with Protestantism. But then I realize they aren't actually addressing the actual arguments. They are just explaining their own experiences which doesn't take away from the evidence you have displayed. Not only you but Gavin Ortlund, Joshua Schooping and the like. Thank you for taking the time. I grew up as a missionaries kid to Bangladesh in the 90's. The idea that my parents aren't experiencing the fullness of God because they aren't in the EO church is ludicrous. My pride in them wants to list their accomplishments for the kingdom of God but also my conviction stops me in my tracks. I know they did these things purely because of what God has done in their lives. At this point, I am ashamed of how much I have said. I am conflicted because I want to be defensive but also I know God defends them on their behalf. I just do not think EO people think past their own nose. They commit false rhetoric and it is saddening .

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@user-gv9my3jy4b]

Great comment. I'm a protestant and I feel the same way, compelled to defend. You see these comments about converting flood comments sections, I try to keep in mind these are almost always young kids.. under age 20 probably, definitely under 25.. we know Jesus said many will seek but few will find, this speaks of those who call themselves Christians. Unfortunately most who believe they seek, are seeking their own ends, through their own means. As humans this results in seeking aesthetic appeal and something 'cool and different', over God's word. They believe the feeling they get in a church burning incense and chanting is a new level of experiencing God.. this shows they are not born again. We can only pray they become so. After all I was a 'Christian' my entire life, but not born again until age 35, two years ago, through the ministry of Rabbi Kirt Schneider called 'discovering the jewish Jesus'.

[@helenbekind8486]

I’m not Protestant. I am a follower of Jesus and read my bible. I have noticed though that anytime I search about church history it’s usually EO vs RCC vs Protestant. As if those are the only options. All different religious systems. I don’t understand I why you need to defend Protestant church because the error of the EO and RCC is separate from the errors of the doctrines of protestantism. They all have error because only the Word of God is inerrant and infallible. Martin Luther has some sketchy history regarding his motives, printing the Quran and involvement with Jesuits. I don’t if it’s true, but he’s human and only God can judge his heart. At least Protestants do not claim it’s their way and the only way, which offers the freedom we have in Christ. However, the RCC and EO does. That’s control. I cannot judge what is in someone’s heart and neither can they. Instead of defending the doctrine of Protestantism, as a way to discredit eo and Rcc, just defend the gospel. The word of God is our Sword. Gods Word= God sWord ⚔️

[@ancientpathstv]

​@@helenbekind8486 Luther printing the Quran and involvement with the Jesuits? You've been seriously misinformed. And what you dismiss as the "doctrine of Protestantism" is the Biblical gospel. We take comfort the faith was once delivered to the saints and we aren't the first ones to read the Bible as we do.

[@helenbekind8486]

@@ancientpathstvI misspoke, he printed the German version of the Quran.

[@RyanSmith-zk4ve]

I'm curious, from what source or sources are you getting these ancient quotes? I don't see them in Schaffs church father collections or anything else I've looked at.

[@ancientpathstv]

You need to be specific. Some are from Schaff and other published translations. Others are translations done for the video. The citations are all listed.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@justanotherlikeyou]

KZbin channel called "ancientpathstv" being run by a Presbyterian. The irony is not lost on me

[@orwellianpepe7660]

You are not ancient either. You are a follower of 7th century John of Damascus. You could even follow Muhammad by your own standards.

[@ancientpathstv]

Go ahead and mock. Keep telling yourself Eastern Orthodoxy is what has been believed everywhere, always, by all. Ignore all the evidence to the contrary. One day you will stand before a holy God and answer for having loved a lie.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@mmore242 Did you watch the video?

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

@@ancientpathstv Right, and God revealed the totality of the true Christianity in the 16th century by a 20 year old lawyer, ordained by nobody, self-appointed corrector of apparently over a thousand years of error. Good luck entrusting your salvation to that. Not all that different than the claim of the muslims that the crucifixion was a phantasm that Allah was perfectly happy to let people believe in and be damned for 600 years for no reason but his own glory. Not that different from Calvinism, in fact you think God turned a blind eye for longer.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@HHH_Hymnal]

Is there any mention of Cyril Lucaris in this video?

[@ancientpathstv]

Yes

[@ancientpathstv]

Here you go. 🙂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@sethcarter4910]

One day, maybe even soon, all of us who profess faith in Christ will be undeniably united under the sword of persecution. The EO, RC, and protestant alike will be united because when persecution is global it will not matter one bit which sect any of us belong to, only who our Lord is. Declaring anathama on those who have faith in Christ is really a luxury the EO church takes for granted, because there will come a day when whether they like it or not they'll be considered by the world to be equal to the protestant. Also every time I hear the EO pray the anathama to the protestant prayer the ONLY thing I can think of is the parable of the pharisee and the tax collector. God have mercy on us all. Great Video!!!

[@mihaaai7834]

The Orthodox is the oldest Christian Religion and will remain the true one. It was said recently that the catholics and orthodox shall unite, but the true Easter will not happen. We are Christians, we shall stay unite! But Orthodox dogma will remain the true one.

[@ancientpathstv]

I spent a long time listening to Eastern Orthodox and answering them from church history and God's Word. You simply make a gratuitous assertion. Did you watch the whole video?

[@bradleyperry1735]

@@ancientpathstvGod’s Word is Jesus Christ. You commit idolatry of the Bible.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@semipelagianpangolin]

Pastor Jason, I'm pivoting here from my previous, argumentative thread to say this: You are by far the best Protestant apologist I've encountered, and the depth of your research and engagement with history is incredible. Plus the love and effort you clearly poured into the production quality, something severely lacking in this corner of the internet... truly impressive work. I'm glad you mentioned your interview with Craig Truglia--I'm watching it now, and I feel like it's providing some vital context for your work here. I understand the tone of this video in a way I hadn't, and I very much appreciate your strong skepticism. You bring up a lot of good challenges to Orthodoxy, and though I may disagree with many of your conclusions, that only makes them more valuable to encounter. So, thank you! And keep up the good work.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Please check out all our claims. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.

[@ancientpathstv]

Please be sure to check out our followup video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@ancientpathstv]

@@stefan5234 If it's so bad you should be able to refute it with evidence, and not just name-calling.

[@parksideevangelicalchurch2886]

More good stuff! Thank you for this defence of authentic, Biblical Orthodoxy.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@Cahrub]

Would you happen to have your sources on the Arab raiding of Epiphanius' basilica? I've read that there were definitely Arab raids in those regions, but is there explicit evidence of Epiphanius' basilica being destroyed, or would this be considered speculative or circumstantial evidence that you provide in that section? If you have any more info I'd greatly appreciate it, thanks!

[@ancientpathstv]

I don't have the original source handy, but perhaps this will be helpful. www.whatson-northcyprus.com/interest/famagusta/salamis/epiphanios.htm

[@Cahrub]

@@ancientpathstv I was recently in conversation with an archaeologist around that area who specializes in Christian and Byzantine archaeology, he had this to note: "The first basilica (7 aisled) was builded from the last years of the 4th century till the beggining of the 5th and for sure after 403 and the death of Epiphanios. The second phase of the basilica is from the 6th century when we had extend alterations and the seven aisles became five. So, it was a "different" basilica. From the Vita of Epiphanios we know that the first basilica was decorated with iconic depictions maybe made after the deaath of E[piphanios." This may be hinting to the fact that perhaps there was iconic depictions in the first iteration of the basilica before the raids took place in the 6th century, although the iconic depictions could also have occurred after the death of Epiphanios. I find it all very fascinating! Let me know if you would like the archaelogist's information and I'd be happy to email it to you.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Cahrub You can see a mention of the basilica being ruined by Arab raiders in the seventh century in this article available online. A. H. S. Megaw. "Archaeology in Cyprus, 1956," Archaeological Reports, No. 3 (1956) p. 30.

[@Cahrub]

I'll check that out soon! Thanks.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@orwellianpepe7660]

I would love to see a new documentary about the Bible canon, showing that the Protestant one is the true one. I also would love to see a video on transsubstantiation and that it’s not what the early fathers taught (the doctrine was developed during the 13-15th century). And about Incorruptibility and relics. I saw a video of orthodox priests having a dead foot putting it in water, and all the people wanted to have some of the water, because they probably believed that the water was holy. It really sickened me as a former Muslim. There are so many topics I could also mention. You did the best job here on KZbin regarding documenting church history and the fathers. I have learned a lot, and I think I will become Presbyterian. (Right now I’m just an evangelical Bible-only Christian). Gavin Ortlund also does a great job on church history imo. Watched his video with John Meade on the OT Bible canon, it amazed me that the Protestant canon list was so popular in the second century 👍

[@ancientpathstv]

A video on the canon is on the list. Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics accuse Protestants of "throwing books out of the Bible," because our Old Testament is shorter. The reality is that we have the same Old Testament canon as the Jews, as well as Athanasius and Jerome.

[@orwellianpepe7660]

@@ancientpathstv Yes you are right. But they say that Athanasius thought that Baruch belongs to the canon, and that Jerome didn’t list all deuterocanonical books as apokryph (some of them are missing when he lists the apokryphes). Plus they always say that Jesus and the apostles read and quoted from the Septuagint. How would you respond? And they blame us for removing parts of Daniel, it’s called „additions to Daniel“ - do you know if the church fathers believed in this Daniel additions? (Sorry my English isn’t the best).

[@bairfreedom]

Thank you for this. We see proto protestantism throughout ALL of church history. A Call to return to the teachings of the Apostles over and over and over again, and a refusal from those who are drunk with power. I would really like to go deeper into this forming a timeline and highlighting every time someone stands up and says return to the beginning!

[@user-gv9my3jy4b]

Great idea!! I hope he sees this comment. I'd love to see that video.

[@KikatzuMusik]

If we look in Bible history, we see that "Protestantism" occurred over and over again. A necessary means of God to restore his truth and his people.

[@poisonedwell9120]

At 2:09:08 "Orthodoxy is whatever you want it to be" is so true. I once met an EO guy who didn't believe in hell. Their religion stands on the shifting sands of forgeries and the twisting of scripture to fit their doctrine. From what I've experienced as a Baptist, these EO people love to to show you their fathers, catechisms, and religious traditions, but when it comes to the Word of God, they run. The cop-out is that we don't have justification to interpret scripture. They fail to filter their doctrine through Paul's epistles (Who's the apostle to the Gentiles) Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for IT is the power of God unto salvation..." In 1 Corinthians 1:17 Paul said "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel." And when Paul recaps the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15, water baptism is never mentioned clearly showing that the gospel, which is apart from water baptism, brings salvation.

[@nektariosg4310]

Do you know how many protestants that I have met of every flavour that have said similar things? Some that believe in hell, some that do not. Some that believe in women's ordination, some that do not. Some accept the rapture, some that do not. For nearly every split within the protestant world you will find people on both sides of every issue. Should I judge protestanism by them? By these individuals? Or is your view the only one correct within the ever splitting world of the protestant so-called faith? One Orthodox does not a theology make.

[@christinah128]

Hmmm - so you met a guy who didn’t believe in Hell and claimed to be EO - so now you are an expert. Perhaps he meant purgatory? Never the less, May God Bless you as we are all Christians and for the most part I keep my eye on my own plate and let God and Jesus Drive. I’m EO btw.

[@poisonedwell9120]

@@christinah128 I would concede that the guy for my example was an anecdote, but my point was that a person can twist scripture to teach any doctrine they want. Also, the historic view of the EO church up until the late 19th to early 20th century has been there is no salvation outside of the EO church.

[@nektariosg4310]

​@@poisonedwell9120That is still our position. And has it ever occurred to you that you are the one twisting the scriptures?

[@christinah128]

@@poisonedwell9120 Oh - and yes, Scripture can be twisted, agreed.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

This looks very well done. I can already tell there are major issues with presuppositions (unproven assumptions) but this is to be expected, as Protestantism has its own ethnic/geographic biases.

[@easternmcg]

Glad to see you’re quick on the draw Craig! Would be great to see a refutation if time allows you.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

@@easternmcg I'm not sure if a refutation is fitting honestly, this is why i speak of presuppositions. Given the presuppositions, things would appear correct. And a video about presuppositions is boring. I'd have to think on it.

[@easternmcg]

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology Ok, I see what you mean. Thanks for thinking on it.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

@@greenacresorganics7922 Yes, I noticed the criteria for everything seemed to be incorrect (like not knowing why Hiera is not an ecumenical council). I almost feel that one would need a dialogue (i.e. where the filmmaker voices objections conversationally) and then the objection is dealt with. In documentary form its just too much to unpack honestly.

[@Biggun3567]

Seems like the gates of Hell did prevail against the Orthodox Church. This is what happens when you rely on tradition above Scripture. Orthodox Church is NOT the One True Church

[@user-kc9if7lu9x]

Excellent presentation!

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@andreiteodorof435]

Thank you for this brother. Please keep up the good work. Grew up in the eastern orthodox mindset. The Lord saved me 2 years ago. I would love to see more, especially because eastern orthodoxy is a hard topic and ignored. One of my best friends seemed to have "left the faith" and started going to an eastern orthodox church. We need more of this, honestly. The fact that this subject was put on your heart, seeing how not a lot of others are addressing this, I pray that the Lord Jesus guides you. We must hold fast to the scriptures. God bless you, may the Lord bless you with His presence.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for the kind note! I'm right now editing the audio for a new video. . . Cyril Lucaris: Calvinist Patriarch/Orthodox Saint. Just about everything the East has said to explain away Lucaris is a demonstrable lie. I have documentation of his successor and numerous other Greek clergy conspiring with the Roman Catholics to murder him for trying to reform the Eastern Church. He called himself a "Calvinist," and his enemies did, as well, but they've rewritten the history and now declare him an Orthodox saint. They present "oral tradition," but I have scans of original documents that lay bare the lies. My hope is that the evidence of them lying about this will open people's eyes to their lies about Christ. Lord willing, it will be on this channel in a few weeks.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@rickcampanella4254]

As long as these videos are i can't stop watching. You are scripturally based. I get the same thing, I post the truth and some want to comment before watching the video. This has been a great class and bless you for allowing me to sit in. Yes some peoples attention span is 2 minutes.

[@deathzmessiah]

14:50 - What??? Paul did not write or leave a bible, he wrote like 7 letters not the Gospels or Revelations. The Church tells us what is Canon. 19:15 - Refuted by Joshua 7:6 - Thanks for selling me on Orthodoxy

[@ancientpathstv]

Paul left a complete Old Testament, a complete Pauline corpus, the Book of Acts, and probably most of the rest of the New Testament. You seem to think the church waited centuries before knowing what came from the apostles. Irenaeus in the second century didn't. He named all four gospels, quoted from them, and rejected the counterfeits. Try again.

[@ancientpathstv]

All that is a lot more than the "two little epistles" Trenham was describing.

[@aiminghigh276]

Where did St. Jerome say that marroage is defilement? Do yoi have a source? Thanks.

[@ancientpathstv]

The quotes are from Against Jovinian 1.7, 20, 26

[@aiminghigh276]

@@ancientpathstv thanks already found it.

[@aiminghigh276]

@@ancientpathstv Could it be that by the "defilement of marriage" he meant not marriage but sex? It still wouldn't make sense to me, but could that be the case? The context is him talking aboit virginity.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@aiminghigh276 Yes, I believe his context was clearly virginity.

[@aiminghigh276]

@@ancientpathstv the reason the distinction between marriage and sex is important is because if St. Jerome belittles marriage (and not sex) he is automatically anathematized (see Canon 1 of Synod of Gangra: "IF any one shall condemn marriage, or abominate and condemn a woman who is a believer and devout, and sleeps with her own husband, as though she could not enter the Kingdom [of heaven] let him be anathema." A Saint who is anathematized (and not part of the Church) is a contradiction and would (in my eyes) disprove Orthodoxy. However he might get away with it if by "the defilement of marriage" he merely meant the sexual act.

[@LeftyVee313]

I spend a lot of time learning about theology (its basically all i do) and was recently contemplating whether I had the Orthodox church wrong in what I understood of their beliefs. I prayed about it and honestly would have considered going to an orthodox church if thats where God had lead me to go. That said, I stumbled onto this documentary and it perfectly articulated the issues I was already well aware of, solidifying my resolve that orthodoxy isn't for me. Also, after meditating on all of this for some time, I've concluded that part of the church denomination problem is that we as individuals very tribal in our nature and seem to attach our denomination to our personal identity. Rather than focus on Jesus Christ we just argue and call each other heretics, not realising that subconsciously that defensiveness may actually stem from how different opinions of our shared faith feel like personal attacks. Its difficult to articulate this concept in a small comment but yeh... I would love to see a similar documentary to this one on Calvinism. I am not calvinist AT ALL but would still like to hear your take on the topic.

[@ancientpathstv]

All our videos are about "Calvinism." We're Calvinists. 🙂

[@ancientpathstv]

@@OrthodoxInquirer You're the one who ignores that the Apostle John calls professing Christians "antichrists." You're the one who ignores that Paul calls the gospel of the Judaizers "another gospel that is no gospel." Jesus describes those who call Him "Lord," but are damned. How about actually engaging the content of the video, rather than ranting like a cultist?

[@ByZHellas]

Orthodoxy is for you, watch better put together documentaries, Calvinism is one of the worst denominations you can be apart of because of how ridiculous and unfounded their beliefs on predestination are. That's who this guy is by the way.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@ByZHellas We actually engage Eastern Orthodox arguments and document our evidence. Are you really incapable of anything more than name-calling?

[@ByZHellas]

@@ancientpathstv Inhave done minimal namecalling and backed my stuff up without spending hours on a poorly made KZbin documentaries comment section.

[@machinotaur]

All other forms of Christianity failed to call me to Christ, so Orthodoxy has not failed. I would have died an atheist if the only church I ever knew of was Presbyterian.

[@ancientpathstv]

The Pharisees were thought to be the most devout Jews. Jesus told them they were of their father, the devil. Rejecting the Jesus of the Bible takes many forms.

[@lynnmmartin]

What would you say to those whom Eastern Orthodoxy failed to call to Christ, yet who came to Christ through a reformation tradition?

[@machinotaur]

I would say glory to God. Calvinism failed me personally, and perhaps others, but I wouldn't go as far as to make a 2 hour long video saying that it has failed in total; and nor would I make non sequitur remarks about Pharisees in the comments of such a video.

[@lynnmmartin]

@@machinotaur I'm glad to hear that. I also say glory to God for those who find Christ through Eastern Orthodoxy (or Calvinism, which I disagree with as well). But I think it's important to recognize wherever any tradition has departed from the original faith delivered through the apostles, so that we can hold fast to what is historic.

[@alecfoster448]

@@ancientpathstvThese are very interesting details to discuss. Thank you for compiling them. Coming from someone who is not EO, it seems very radical to say that EO reject the “Jesus of the Bible”. Some of the most humble Christians I learn from are EO, and some of the most prideful are “reformed” Christians. All are zealous for orthodoxy. We cannot be so quick to judge.

[@chuckdiesal83]

Are you able to add chapters with headings to the video? To break it up by argument?

[@ancientpathstv]

Thanks for the suggestion. Done.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@sebastianfischer498]

I am in the process of converting to orthodoxy. This video didnt change my decision.

[@ancientpathstv]

We document even more Eastern Orthodox lies in our most recent video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U If you love lies, you'll have no excuse on the day of judgment.

[@jordanmills3938]

@@ancientpathstv Are you always a rude person, or only on KZbin?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@jordanmills3938 Are Eastern Orthodox rude when they anathematize me and call for me to be unforgiven in this life and the next? Or is it only when someone responds that you consider them "rude"?

[@mariorizkallah5383]

@@ancientpathstv with all due respect, if you think its rude for someone to say anathema, then you lack the capacity to be a man.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@mariorizkallah5383 You're not being honest. That's not what I said. I believe we have an obligation to anathematize heresy, but Eastern Orthodoxy anathematizes me on the basis of lies. The commenter was accusing me of being "rude" for some undefined response.

[@nolanhoiting]

Great work!

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@alwahid1313]

Probably the most comprehensive video I've seen that points out the clear historical contradictions behind the doctrines of Orthodoxy. Truly divine scripture IS sufficient above all things. While I'm only an hour in while writing this comment, I inted to finish the entire second hour. Please post this video elsewhere, or allow others to post it too, because there are not enough videos discussing this subject from a historical and documented point of view. There were many great points made, but Josephus recalling no such high priest by the name of Zacheriah, but rather one called Simon, clearly show's these mythological and extra-biblical stories are not at all rooted in real eyewitness testimony, like the gospels are, but rather legends and works of fiction. Keep it up and God bless you.

[@Rizko505]

Couple months ago i would have fully believed everything you say. For pure logical conclusion you don't need faith, no holy spirit, not even be a believer and the logical explanation will be logical and sound for everyone. I was a strong strong protestant and catholic and especially Orthodox that i didn't even knew yet were just magical garbage to me. I prayed and i prayed long and although i said I'm christian and believe, God showed me i wasn't, that the mountain i thought i climbed was nothing yet. I now know what it means to be reborn, to actually be forgiven. It's not just words. God has showed me very clear that one church is true and it's Orthodox even though i never even knew anything about it. I appreciate that you are trying to save others because you believe you do, but i can tell you and many many others that we are blind fools that believe they can see often. Until God actually opens our eyes. I found my home finally and i wish you can find home to us too one day brother ☦️ What now feels wild and clearly wrong will suddenly make sense. Also Calvinism is Satanic just fyi

[@ancientpathstv]

Mormons have been "bearing their testimonies" to me for 35 years. Any spirit that contradicts the Scriptures isn't of God.

[@Rizko505]

​​@@ancientpathstvbut we can very easily refute Mormons clearly with scripture. But is it really as cut and dry refuting orthodox or Catholics? What about Thessalonians 2:15? It says traditions. The bible is a beautiful gift to us but we can read in it how Jesus and the apostles brought people the gospel. They didn't had a Bible yet.. Let us not trust people and the world that tells us things. Why don't you pray to God while being open and accepting to whatever he might show you? Go to him not to yourself or people for his truth 🙏

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Rizko505 Did you watch the video? The Pharisees insisted they had traditions that had been handed down orally from Moses. Jesus rejected them. The books of the Old Testament aren't the revelations that just happened to be written down, but the revelations to which Jesus appealed as authoritative and contrary to their counterfeit oral traditions. Paul had personally instructed the Thessalonians, and those teachings were binding, but he also warned them of false oral traditions and even counterfeit letters (2 Thessalonians 2:2) in his own lifetime. We respect tradition, but we recognize some of these supposed oral traditions contradict one another, the Scriptures, and the testimony of the early church. Mormonism's god is not the God of the Bible. Eastern Orthodoxy is Trinitarian, but it's gospel is actually closer to that of Mormonism than the Scriptures and the early church. If you check out our latest video, you'll see more of how Eastern Orthodox "oral tradition" compares to the written record of their own patriarchs.

[@cole8834]

what a shame

[@cole8834]

@@Rizko505 Paul also alludes to being "baptized for the dead" will you become Mormon? Basing your soul on a single word without further inquiry is a shame

[@bradleymarshall5489]

We are not entitled to such licence, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings -Gregory of Nyssa All who ask receive, those who seek find, and to those who knock it shall be opened. Therefore, let us knock at the beautiful garden of Scripture. It is fragrant, sweet, and blooming with various sounds of spiritual and divinely inspired birds. They sing all around our ears, capture our hearts, comfort the mourners, pacify the angry, and fill us with everlasting joy. -John of Damascus The Holy and Inspired Scriptures are sufficient of themselves for the preaching of the Truth. -Athanasius of Alexandria We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith -Irenaeus of Lyons And let them remember that prayer should accompany the reading of Sacred Scripture, so that God and man may talk together; for "we speak to Him when we pray; we hear Him when we read the divine saying." -Ambrose Make knowledge of the Scripture your love ... Live with them, meditate on them, make them the sole object of your knowledge and inquiries. -Jerome We need not only read Sacred Scripture, but learn it as well and grow up in it. Realize that nothing is written in Scripture unnecessarily. Not to read Sacred Scripture is a great evil. -Saint Basil Whoever you may be, always have God before your eyes; whatever you do, do it according to the testimony of the holy Scriptures; in whatever place you live, do not easily leave it. Keep these three precepts and you will be saved. -Anthony the Great

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@DCWoodWorking]

You have convinced me that orthodoxy is the true church.

[@ancientpathstv]

There's a day of judgment coming, in which the lake of fire is prepared for those who love lies.

[@bbarnaby8516]

@@ancientpathstv and you’ll be first in line

[@traditionallenses]

@@ancientpathstvheretic

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

​@@bbarnaby8516so you really think you are in the place of God??? Man orthodoxy really makes people mad

[@bbarnaby8516]

@@gabrielgabriel5177 hahaha naw we are the least judgmental Christians. ☦️

[@garyeastman7882]

AN ABSOLUTE GEM OF A WORK! Thank You, Christ Presbyterian Church, for this excellent, unparalleled study of the errors of the Eastern Orthodox Church. All I can say is: WOW. You have taken the Bible with an amazingly comprehensive Patristic, conciliar and historical study, integrating them all to show how things seemingly separate are, in fact, only facets of developments one from the other: union of Church & State in Byzantium, development of asceticism/monasticism, veneration of icons and the Virgin Mary, apostolic succession, pseudo-saints, bogus traditions, forged writings and works of dubious or confused authenticity, et al. The work put into this is phenomenal. The videos from Orthodox church services are incorporated perfectly to illustrate points in the discussion; they are spot on and completely genuine, representing the norm in an Orthodox parish or monastery. The conclusion of the video is also superb, poignantly exposing the splendid facade of the Orthodox Church which serves so well to mask for so many the multitude of errors in doctrine and practice.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@paulpeter2869]

You definitely wouldnt debate Jay Dyer and Craig from Orthodox Theology will come out with a response to your absurd video.

[@ancientpathstv]

So if I go on Craig's podcast, would you actually deal with the arguments in the video, or would you keep moving the goalposts?

[@Veganismdebunked812]

Jay dyer wouldn’t debate bro Peter Dimond, and he is quite rude in debates. There’s better debaters on the Orthodox side

[@Bbos2383]

Why would he need to debate them? It seems the evidence in this video speaks for itself. Why don't you try refuting it? Because you can't.

[@intothekey]

Oh Jay Dyer is Eastern Orthodox now, he's grifted place to place so much it's hard to keep tract.

[@alpinefool8814]

@@Veganismdebunked812 Ah yes. The same Peter Dimond who pauses videos and concludes that the weird expression of the person on the video is proof they are possessed by demons. Clearly an intellectually and spiritually inclined person worthy of Dyer's time.

[@javierperd2604]

Great stuff! There are barely any well-researched resources out there from Protestants regarding Eastern Orthodoxy, so I'm overjoyed and blown away by the release of this documentary. Thank you for all of the hard work it no doubt took to put this documentary together -- may it build up and strengthen any Protestants struggling with the claims of Eastern Orthodoxy 🙏

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Please be sure to check out our other videos, as well.

[@georgemichalopulos382]

Just exactly when Protestantism was founded?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@georgemichalopulos382 Did you watch the video?

[@Stigma-ba115]

​@@georgemichalopulos382in 0 AD

[@watchmanonthewall2151]

​@@Stigma-ba115 😂

[@StarryboozYT]

A lot of people referencing Matthew 16:18 isnt the proper understanding that the kingdom of God is on the offensive? The "gates" of hell.... Btw thank you for the video and to all investing time into the comments as well.

[@user-yk5rf6bk7s]

So far by the 11:00, great and valid points being made. Which councils are deemed to be authoritative seems to be subjective and not dependent on "size" or "consensus".

[@famicommike9014]

I don't understand why you used a clip at the 1:01:19 of a Coptic priest. The Oriental Orthodox aren't even in communion with the Eastern Orthodox.

[@ancientpathstv]

I used it because it nicely summarizes the Eastern position on Helvidius. Helvidius was pre-Chalcedon. Like many American Coptic priests, Fr. Abraham Wassif is a St. Vladimir's graduate, who's articulating the same thing an Eastern Orthodox priest would say, but because it's coming from a Copt, it's supposedly suspect. It demonstrates that Eastern Orthodox will grasp at anything to claim I know nothing and ignore the overwhelming evidence against their position.

[@famicommike9014]

​@@ancientpathstvI see. I'm Oriental Orthodox and watched your video fully (took 3 days to get through it all). Good production and editing I will give you that just a marathon to watch.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@famicommike9014 Thank you! There was a lot of information to pack in. 🙂 I could have done a whole lot more, but I was trying to crystallize the main issues and yet deal with them substantively. I've had Eastern Orthodox not only complain about Wassif, but even the clip of Patriarch Kirill. 🙂

[@famicommike9014]

@@ancientpathstv well if it means anything, the EO don't even recognize the Oriental Orthodox churches like the Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, etc etc as Orthodox since the Council of Chalcedon. On a funny but odd note, My Greek Fat Wedding the movie of all things did introduce me to Orthodoxy back in 2009.

[@scottforesman7968]

St Gregory Palamas: "Man was led into his captivity when he experienced God's wrath, this wrath being the good God's just abandonment of man. God had to be reconciled with the human race, for otherwise mankind could not be set free from the servitude. A sacrifice was needed to reconcile the Father on high with us and to sanctify us, since we had been soiled by fellowship with the evil one. There had to be a sacrifice which both cleansed and was clean, and a purified and sinless priest"

[@aiminghigh276]

Hey can someone tell me the name of the woman at 1:35:07? I'd like to read about her. I can't hear it

[@ancientpathstv]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaesilla

[@aiminghigh276]

@@ancientpathstv I am Orthodox by the way. I would like to know, do you think it is St. Jerome's and her mother's fault that she died and if so why? Most importantly is Blaesilla considered a saint among Orthodox? After all she seems to have a feast day. She sure does not seem to have set a good example.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@aiminghigh276 I agree that she didn't set a good example, but she has been declared an Orthodox saint. Like Simeon Stylites, she was supposed to be one of the "new martyrs for Jesus," sacrificing herself for Him. One story I really wanted to include in the video was St. Macarius of Alexandria who was claimed to have lived for a year on 1/6 of an olive. Those like Blaesilla who tried to imitate those stories destroyed themselves. How much blame she, Jerome, and her mother individually deserve, God only knows. It's worth noting that in a letter to Paula, Jerome rebuked her for mourning Blaesilla, calling her tears "rebellious."

[@aiminghigh276]

@@ancientpathstv thank you for the reply. Blaezilla has a feast daybut I only see her beeing called a saint by catholics online is there an Orthodox source? Also do you happen to have the exact letter where Jerome called her mother's mourning "rebellious"?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@aiminghigh276 Rome didn't formally canonize saints until the end of the tenth century. Blaesilla is considered canonized "pre-congregation." This means she was recognized as a saint before then, in other words before the Great Schism. I don't see her on official Eastern Orthodox lists today, but she was clearly considered a saint by many in the East. The letter from Jerome to Paula can be found here. www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001039.htm

[@lemmingkingyt5618]

Thanks so much for this video! I'm a bit interested yet skeptical about the teaching of eastern orthodox. Nonetheless, I have a couple of points/questions: 6:28 - if the binding nature of a council is assessed by whether all patriarchates have majority ratification plus the ratification of the respective patriarch, is the size of a council (let alone this council at all) worth mentioning? This also applies to 9:00 and all the back-and-forth you brought up regarding iconoclast councils. 20:29 - the criticisms of John the Damascene's citing cherubim (you mentioned the Ark but not the curtains) and bronze serpent baffle me. By appealing to the fact these weren't meant for veneration, this shifts the issue not to the permissibility of making images but to whether they are allowed to be venerated in a religious context or not. Is this not conceding that God does permit images, just not for veneration??? This feels inconsistent with your reading of the commandments. 22:07 - God had not yet united himself to human nature or sanctified created matter by the full indwelling of the Son, so is the bush and all that a legitimate criticism? 23:29 - How should we understand his uncritical stance on icons in his histories? Do you understand the histories to be forgeries? 31:55 - Same question as 20:29. It seems your issue is about venerating images, not images themselves. Do you think the bible allows for this nuance? Do you think images are licit so long as they aren't bowed to? - What does it mean to have decorative art in classical antiquity anyway? Did people hang up images just for decorative purposes? That seems like a pretty western/modern approach! In my culture, we kiss anything and everything that reminds us of someone :D 31:59 - What does it mean to 'honor' rather than 'venerate'? The Greek term to venerate etymologically breaks down to the act of kissing, but how to avoid the root-fallacy error when you engage with this term? 34:36 - Do you know anything about how Gnostic beliefs regarding the filthiness of matter were compatible with their owning icons? Amazing video!! This is all I think I should ask for now, I would love to hear from you! You seem like you love the church fathers, as do I

[@ancientpathstv]

The standards of what constitutes an ecumenical council are not spelled out in Scripture or the early church. It was only later that the standards were evolved to give cover to those who wanted to claim infallibility to the church. God forbids murder at Sinai, yet then commands Israel to kill every man, woman, and infant of the Canaanites. Rather than seeing the latter as negating the former, it should be seen as an exception. John of Damascus harped on Israel not seeing God at Sinai. Jesus was not yet incarnate in the Old Testament, but He had made himself visible. This whole idea of the incarnation "sanctifying" matter sounds profound, but is not really the focus of the New Testament. Please rewatch the section on John of Damascus. Like so many, he was uncritical about what he wanted to be true. I tried to avoid appeals to authority, but there's a video on KZbin of the Catholic scholar Robert Price (editor of the papers of Second Nicaea) admitting John of Damascus was uncritical. Recognizing the history of Israel and of the last 2000 years, we try to guard against idolatry. The nuance we have embraced is that we have images of historic events and people in our church building, but not in the chapel. We do not make images of angels or of any person of the Godhead. If people started praying to or kissing the images, we would remove them as Hezekiah destroyed the brazen serpent. The video shows the images from the 3rd century church in Duras Europas. It was simply paintings of Bible scenes on the walls. Docetists denied Jesus came in the flesh, but they never claims He couldn't be seen.

[@lemmingkingyt5618]

@@ancientpathstv Thanks for the reply! Hope anyone else reading has been assisted by these helpful responses too. Just some follow-ups: Is there any evidence in patristic florilegium or otherwise that the standards defining binding councils were innovated to 'cover up' unlikable history? I can send you a florilegium about 'ratification of all patriarchal synods (patriarchates)' from across the centuries if you'd like, for your own reading. The point about the 'exception' to the commandments is fascinating but is not quite what I was getting at. It is still baffling that critics of John the Damascene chose to deny the problem is with 'images' but our attitude towards them. That is murky territory, as I will discuss below. By 'sanctifying matter' I refer to the concepts of Maximos the Confessor's "cosmic mystery of Jesus Christ". Although not the focus of the New Testament, this kind of theology (also articulated in Athanasius' "on the incarnation") is not rebutted by the NT either (Jesus being in very nature God and hence destroying death is the scriptural merit behind this concept though). Again, not saying this concept must be the core of the gospel, but this kind of theology would have been the theological context in which John makes these statements referring to the "unseen" God of the Old Testament - it is a lot more helpful/charitable to read John in this way (more helpful than referring strictly to whether God was visible or not, although without context the bare reading may lead us to read him in this way). When I gave the timestamp for 23:29, I was specifically talking about your citation of Eusebius of Caesarea's "letter to Constantia", not to John of Damascus who you have already discussed at length. In his church histories, he narrates stories of healing iconographic statuary (Church History Chapters 7 and 18 and once again in his Commentary on Luke). In Proof of the Gospel, he talks about "enshrined" images. In Life of Constantine, Eusebius also mentions many memorial images depicting martyrs, despite that region being "devoid of pagan worship". My question is, in recounting these examples of images in religious settings, he regards the practice positively, particularly the healing statuary depicting Jesus, which seems more catholic than orthodox. Yet when writing to Constantia, he grows a conscience on the matter. Not to mention, being that the letter to Constantia is from the middle of his career, it would appear like he started out liking images, stopped liking them when writing to Constantia, then became accepting of them again (if you place his writings in chronological order). The first mention of this letter was at the Council of Hieria in 754, so should we be more skeptical of this letter? Or, should we discount all these other works of Eusebius as forgeries? The iconoclastic tone of the letter is unmistakable but if Eusebius held strongly to the 2nd Commandment then how do we make sense of the positive tone in his Church History and elsewhere? I hate to nag, but applying "nuance" to the Second Commandment which permits images in your church building seems off. Nowhere in the 2nd commandment does it make a distinction to the effect "you may have images of historic events and people in the church building, but not in the chapel", nor does it make a distinction saying "you may have images of historic events and people, but not of angels or any person of the Godhead". You see the goal (avoid idolatry) but the issue is that you theologically interpret the text and impose distinctions not found in the immediate text to define what is/isn't idolatry. When you impose such distinctions, you are no better than the orthodox. For example, John of Damascus does not simply distinguish between "proskynesis" and "latreia". He actually distinguishes between various 'types' of proskynesis, one of which being "The Proskynesis Of Latreia" (which is the kind of proskynesis reserved for God and described in the second commandment). All the other forms of proskynesis are "fine", but "The Proskynesis Of Latreia" isn't. These distinctions "nuance" the commandments, as does your having images in your church building despite the scriptural words "thou shalt not have graven images". I think the best path if you are to stick to the scripture which you present (in the way you've presented it) would be to commit to scriptural iconoclasm in greater spheres of life. Hope this helps, happy to chat some more. Thanks for the response!

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@orthodoxbox7004]

​@@ancientpathstv I guess you would have condemned Joshua and the elders when they bowed down before the ark represented by the two cherubim (icons) in Joshua 7:6. Or when Moses had them venerate (not worship) the brazen serpent on a pole in order to be healed. Or when - Jacob bowed before the tip of his son Joseph's staff (Gen 47:31. Heb 11:21) We also have the Israelites and Psalmists venerate and worshiping God at his footstools (Psalm 99, 132:6-10) or venerating the temples (1 Kings 8:44, Psalm 5:7, Psalm 138:2, Matthew 23:21) Early Christians understood these different forms of venerations, and so should we.... And are you aware that the old iconoclasts would be more at odds with modern-day Protestants than with the Orthodox. The iconoclasts believed in VENERATING the cross, they were only against icons. The iconoclasts believed in the Virgin Mary as the mother of God, and her intercession along with the intercession of the saints.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@orthodoxbox7004 If you bothered to actually watch the video, you'd see we addressed all this.

[@brettk1517]

I am a confessional Lutheran up here in Canada. This video was great!

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! You might also enjoy this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@brettk1517]

@@ancientpathstvthanks!

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@not_milk]

Love how well researched this is. My condolences for what you have to suffer in these comments at the hands of EO brothers and sisters. The way EO argue is mind numbing. At least Catholics will engage with reason and give their best arguments. I’ve never seen a compelling defense of the EO church.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@user-jv3mm6vt6e]

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

[@BrantTheResidentCalvinist]

Are they really our brothers and sisters though?

[@unionofsa]

Then you must look into it more.

[@unionofsa]

@@BrantTheResidentCalvinistWe are the brothers and sisters who follow Jesus the closest and wish our other brothers and sisters would with us.

[@hll97fr16]

Please do also a video on clerical celibacy. The Bible is straight and clear that Apostle had wives, but yet Jerome think that they left their wife's, wich is totally unfounded in the scriptures.

[@SolusChristus12]

It is demon teaching, 1 Timothy 4:1-3