The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy

[@joelcarter2535]

Lol, all of these Eastern orthodox people are just giving emotional "arguments" and absurd claims.

[@thelastgeneration1926]

big time they do that all the time.

[@marias6583]

@@joelcarter2535 yes and they claim that Protestants are superficial and emotional but then they themselves make the most superficial arguments like ”when you walk into an Orthodox church you FEEL this and that… it just FEELS holy” and ”the Orthodox chants just FEEL much better than contemporary worship music” just feeling feelings feelings lol

[@joelcarter2535]

@@marias6583 yeah that's true!

[@magureveeru]

@@joelcarter2535 isn't your response emotional. We don't have to be emotional, it's simple, don't ignore 2000 years of people trying to as close to god should not be ignored

[@joelcarter2535]

@magureveeru nobody in these comments has at least tried to give a thorough rebuttal to this video, but are all just saying, "Oh, please give me a break..." or "i feel more holy in a liturgical church".

[@bowrudder899]

I am so glad to see that you caught the footage of the Russian Orthodox Patriarch Vladimir Gundyayev purveying that dying for your country in war will wash away all your sins. What a false gospel!

[@DepDawg]

Yes, that shocked me!

[@norah327]

I was orthdodox before but after seeing your video I am still a orthdodox.☦️

[@norah327]

@@ancientpathstv Well,english is not my first language but I wanted to say what I think.From what I have expirienced in orthodox church after holy mysteries, gives me confidence to say that Holy Spirit is in this church,I don't know for Catholic church and no one can tell me different.What I felt after my first confession can not compare with anything from this world!Of course this is something very personal but I have to write this because I know It's true what I wrote.I'm sorry if I don't write correct words.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@norah327 You're ignoring not only everything in the video, but what Jesus and His apostles said in the Bible.

[@norah327]

@@ancientpathstv No I don't.I don't want to argue with you.I respect what you said in the video but I don't agree.

[@krissmork]

@@norah327 To allow one self to see the errors of some traditions that are held by either our church or others is not the same as rejecting what God has done in your life. Nothing limits the Lord from ministering to you when you come with humbleness of heart and confess before Him, and His Spirit reaches all who are lowly of heart and calls upon the name of the Lord. We are many who have been blessed by the Lord and experienced His love and forgiveness, of all branches and streams of Christianity, something to be glad for! However, to close ones eyes to the failures and lacks that are, in spite of our experiences, present in our churchly practices and our understandings of the history of the faith and Church, is not the way to continue. We have the tendency to cling on to the instruments through which we experience grace, and the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, but we will do well in remembering that it is the Lord Himself we should cling on to, and not the instruments and human mediators. Stay honest to what is true, and when the truth is revealed do not reject it because of what is familiar and seems safe.

[@Imperator-01]

God bless you, sister ☦️

[@Orthmosis]

Would you be willing to participate in public discussion to see if this presentation can withstand further scrutiny?

[@Baboonfromdatoon]

This

[@ancientpathstv]

I've already agreed to an interview with an Eastern Orthodox apologist.

[@TikhonFread]

@@ancientpathstv Would you mind sharing who you will be interviewing with?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@TikhonFread Craig Truglia

[@TikhonFread]

@@ancientpathstv Oh...

[@godsdrunkestdriver01]

Thank you so much for this brilliant exposition of church history and the power of the scripture alone. I considered Eastern Orthodoxy for some time as I was drawn to the aesthetics and the way it advertises itself as taking the faith more seriously, but the de-emphasizing of the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement and the heretical asceticism that is viewed as a virtue in the tradition are unacceptable. This context on the history of orthodoxy and the twisting of the truth that has slowly corrupted the movement is so important, as many in the west who are ignorant of this history are in danger of falling into this sect that attributes the teachings of man to God. Don’t be discouraged by the hate and slander coming from the orthodox community. I pray that they would listen to your points and that their eyes would be opened to the ways in which their doctrine lacks a firm foundation in the word of God. Please continue to speak the truth of the scripture with boldness🙏

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for your kind encouragement!

[@veritasquidestveritas]

Amen to that! 7 years i spent in this Gospel of asceticism which is no Gospel. It almost led me to renounce my marriage and hed for Athos! Praise God for his Glorious true Gospel of Free Grace.

[@thelastgeneration1926]

@@veritasquidestveritas amen. Glad u escaped the lies. I come from an orthodox background and i feel so free now that im just a bible believer

[@gizmorazaar]

As a confessional Lutheran, I do in fact reject the Calvinist teaching of iconoclasm. However, I am in agreement on the matter of rejecting iconodulia as well. My understanding is that images of Christ and the saints can be helpful in prayer and devotion if witnessed, and can rouse piety in a man upon laying eyes on it, just as the same would be for one who sees an image of the Cross of our Lord. Yet, I would also never say it is necessary that these images be made not venerated. It’s a happy middle, as far as I’m concerned.

[@GabrielWithoutWings]

Frankfurt > Hieria and Nicaea 2

[@jeremybamgbade]

Reformed theology-qua-reformed theology is not inherently iconoclastic. Between icondulia (the position of the 2nd Nicene creed) and iconoclasm, there is a middle position-- Aniconism which distinguishes between religious art which can be legitimate and have pedagogical value on the one hand, and icondulia which is the theologically imposed necessity of venerating images under the threat of anathema, which it rejects. Many reformed folks (myself included) fall into this camp. Your comment reeks of gross reductionism.

[@unit2394]

I am a confessional Lutheran as well. Our position would often be called the “Carolingian Position.” As you outlined above, images and art are a wonderful and useful tool for our faith. We do not need to destroy them or see them as a necessary component of worship and veneration. The truth is not iconoclasm or iconodulia.

[@stephenwright4973]

2nd Nicaea pronounces anathema on all who will not venerate the sacred images, on all who have doubts about doing so, and on all who lack true affection for the icons. 2nd Nicaea adds an unScriptural requirement for salvation

[@ridingthecosmos6273]

@@stephenwright4973 the anathema’s were for those in the Church. You aren’t in the Church.

[@wowowqw]

The quote mining in the first 5 minutes is already laughable. Irenaeus, in the same book III of Against Heresies, affirms tradition passed down by the presbyters and clergy. In Chapter IV of Book III he even more clearly lays out how the Church keeps the truth and apostolic tradition. Unbelievable.

[@ancientpathstv]

The rhetorical games you're playing are laughable. "Quote mining" and "cherry-picking" are terms used when people can't actually demonstrate that a quote is taken out of context. You've set up a straw man, where oral tradition is equal to Scripture or ignored. It's neither. Irenaeus said what he said. The quote calls the Scriptures the "pillar and ground of our faith" and flies in the face of those who want to subordinate them to traditions that contradict them and one another.

[@aCatholicOne]

This point is utterly humiliating, and laughable, Eastern Orthodox quote mind 7th Century quotes made by Heterodox to support their ideals. Not only that but there are whole letters written about the idolization of icons (Letter LI. From Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, in Cyprus, to John, Bishop of Jerusalem) which is mentioned in this video if you even watched it.

[@gsnow2526]

​@@ancientpathstvSt Paul said the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Logic itself will tell you this.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@gsnow2526 Do you think Irenaeus was oblivious to Paul's statement? Do you think it somehow negates what he said? Please stop playing games.

[@gsnow2526]

@ancientpathstv exactly. Hence, when you read more of Ireneus you see his acceptance of Apostolic tradition and Apostolic sucession

[@ridingthecosmos6273]

I was once a protestant and once I looked into church history I am now on my way to being an Orthodox Catechumen! All Glory to God!

[@ancientpathstv]

Mormons say the same. Instead of listening to God's Word and the historic testimony of the church, they invent their own history and bear their testimony. I pray for them, as I pray for you, that God will open their eyes, and they'll stop loving lies.

[@ridingthecosmos6273]

@@ancientpathstv Baptists say it Presbyterians say they are the original church. So do Amish and Pentecostals. The Orthodox and Catholics can trace their roots to Jesus and Not John Calvin and John Knox.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@ridingthecosmos6273 We documented the contrary in the video. Instead of engaging the arguments, you just bluster.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@icxcnika2037 Rant, rant, rant. If you could answer the evidence you would, but you can't.

[@frankperrella1202]

Eastern Orthodoxy Documentary is solid 🪨 I'm not Prostestant I'm a Catholic who loves Jesus Christ & that's What the Church Father's wants. Jesus Christ Said to follow the will of the Father. Eastern Orthodox are becoming National isolated Churches supported by Russia, the American Orthodox doesn't agree with ROCOR. Schism since 2018 in Eastern Orthodoxy just facts. 🙏🗝️🗝️

[@johnathanl8396]

I think I already commented but I have to say what an amazing job you did. This great work of love and compassion educates people from going into the darkness of Eastern Orthodoxy! Soli Deo Gloria!

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!

[@christophergrant6989]

I am not sure how one can say that the Council of Hieria is rejected by Orthodox because it sounds Protestant. Doesn't your video show that the 7th Ecumenical Council was established prior to Protestantism? If you are saying that Orthodox today pick and choose which councils to accept based on their reaction to Protestantism it reveals a deeper misunderstanding and misrepresenting of how tradition functions in Orthodoxy. There is nothing in your quote of the Council of Hieria that sounds Protestant. It speaks of accepting what was handed down from the earlier councils and not of searching the Scriptures as the final authority. Just imagine an OPC General Assembly saying the same thing about these first six councils and you will understand my point. Also, the icons are just a manifestation of an underlying orientation to the saints that wsa held by both iconoclasts of Hieria and the iconophiles of the 7th Ecumenical Council. Both councils believed in the intercession of the Saints - a dogma that was ubiquitous and pre-Nicea. The iconoclasts believed what no Reformed Protestant believes - that holiness is mediated through material things like water, the Eucharist and the symbol of the Cross. This is the failure of Protestantism. The Apostles did not just leave us Scripture, they imparted their very lives to their successors. That way of life was passed on by the Fathers and preserved by the Church. I spent over 20 years in Protestant churches. The only time the Fathers and Saints were mentioned was to criticize them. If anything good was mentioned about Athanasius or Polycarp or Augustine it was only with qualification that they were in error on many points. For example, Protestants would not accept the views of Athanasius put forth in his Life of Anthony so why should we take seriously anything they quote from Athanasius to make him sound like a Protestant. There is no mechanism in Protestant churches like yours for honor to the Fathers because they don't belong to you. You don't receive them. Sadly, you are orphans. That is the failure of Protestantism.

[@ancientpathstv]

The Council of Hieria was the first to address icons and declared John of Damascus a heretic. They didn't have the label "Protestant," but, like those who would later be called Protestants, they argued from Scripture. The Second Council of Nicaea declared John of Damacus a saint and relied on his fake history of oral tradition. Just as it is fallible today, the church has always been fallible. There are fathers who are more and less faithful to the Scriptures. That doesn't mean we ignore them. Our congregation recites the Nicene Creed in every worship service. None of the early fathers support icons or your gospel. You can make all kinds of gratuitous assertions to the contrary, but that doesn't make them true.

[@christophergrant6989]

@ancientpathstv Please explain... what is the point of reciting a creed if you don't belong to the body that formed that creed and you reject everything else that they stood for? Why use a creed at all?

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@yeoberry]

@@christophergrant6989 : Because we believe the creed. You idolaters don’t actually believe the creed. You all believe in your sect and so say and do whatever it tells you.

[@christophergrant6989]

@yeoberry what do you think the Nicene fathers meant by "one holy, catholic, apostolic church" or "one baptism"? Do you think they had protestant notion of the church and sacraments? Considering that the councils were a meeting of bishops, what do you think they believed about their own consecration? Did they have a Protestant notion of a bishop? You would probably be surprised if you took the time to read some of the writings of these bishops.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

This looks very well done. I can already tell there are major issues with presuppositions (unproven assumptions) but this is to be expected, as Protestantism has its own ethnic/geographic biases.

[@easternmcg]

Glad to see you’re quick on the draw Craig! Would be great to see a refutation if time allows you.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

@@easternmcg I'm not sure if a refutation is fitting honestly, this is why i speak of presuppositions. Given the presuppositions, things would appear correct. And a video about presuppositions is boring. I'd have to think on it.

[@easternmcg]

@@OrthodoxChristianTheology Ok, I see what you mean. Thanks for thinking on it.

[@OrthodoxChristianTheology]

@@greenacresorganics7922 Yes, I noticed the criteria for everything seemed to be incorrect (like not knowing why Hiera is not an ecumenical council). I almost feel that one would need a dialogue (i.e. where the filmmaker voices objections conversationally) and then the objection is dealt with. In documentary form its just too much to unpack honestly.

[@Biggun3567]

Seems like the gates of Hell did prevail against the Orthodox Church. This is what happens when you rely on tradition above Scripture. Orthodox Church is NOT the One True Church

[@stpaulphillip]

Seems to be a very honest evaluation of the councils and errors and contradictions that have occurred still watching. Thank you for this.

[@polyglotomathotheophilos1941]

At around 13:10 the narrator compares St Athansius and St Make of Ephes to Luther and Calvin, satjng that their opposal to councels is the same as as Luther's and Calvin's. The big difference is that the first were part of Christ's church and were already proven teachers and honored with the highest rank of bishops and the second were 2 people who had 500 years separation from the truth and never came to know Orthodoxy. The comparison is just not equal.

[@ancientpathstv]

The point is that councils have erred. They contradict not only the Scriptures, but one another. The ultimate authority isn't Athanasius, Luther or Calvin, but God's clear teaching in the Bible.

[@willtheperson7224]

@@ancientpathstv Councils led by heresiarchs are false (As Saints Athanasius and Mark of Ephesus were against) Do you not get that?! But the rejection of all councils as binding as Luther and Calvin resorted to is going overboard beyond the recognition of false councils

[@ancientpathstv]

@@willtheperson7224 Did you actually watch the whole video?

[@willtheperson7224]

@@ancientpathstv I'm watching it, and I find this video on par with the Dimond Brothers videos against us when it comes to academic dishonesty

[@ancientpathstv]

@@willtheperson7224 Name-calling and avoidance of the evidence are signs that what you're defending is a lie. How about actually engaging the documented history and arguments from Scripture?

[@John-xc2qn]

I’ve yet to hear the Gospel from an orthodox Christian

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

they deny penal substitutionary atonement, original sin, grace along by faith alone of course they're not gonna have a true gospel

[@Benjamin-bq7tc]

@@jalapeno.tabasco Yeah, we reject heresy.

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

@@Benjamin-bq7tc imagine calling the gospel heresy...

[@IbelievethereforeIam]

​@@Benjamin-bq7tcYou really like a BIG FAT LIE

[@TruePathLiving]

Orthodox share the gospel every single service. All their services are lead from scripture directly and they read the bible as a CHURCH to avoid people making their own iinterpretations, they also partake in the eucharist. When christ said, this wine is my blood and this levant bread is my flesh, he wasn't joking. Prostestants think that is "symbolic" but not really his flesh nor his blood, in scripture, christ never said " oh btw, this is symbolic". It's by partaking in the eucharist that the body of christ enters you and you become part of the body, prostestants have grapejuice and gluten free bread....

[@iulianviorelmosteanu2800]

Staying Eastern Orthodox till death, thank you for clarifying! You deceiving us will not help you escape eternal hell!

[@ancientpathstv]

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16

[@whiteoctober4582]

​@@ancientpathstvYou're not St. Paul. What you think is truth is just prelest

[@ancientpathstv]

@@whiteoctober4582 I don't claim to be Paul. I'm showing you what Paul said in the Bible, and you ignore it.

[@whiteoctober4582]

@@ancientpathstv he said it about himself, not for you to use out of context or even worse to describe yourself using his own quote about himself

[@ancientpathstv]

@@whiteoctober4582 I've demonstrated the truth from the Scriptures and church history. If name-calling is the best defense you have for Eastern Orthodoxy, you really need to reconsider it.

[@dougbell9543]

Tragically, like the Judaism of Paul’s time, Orthodoxy fails to accept the fact that there are people of true faith outside its own sacred doors. ✔️

[@danube466]

join the broad road

[@dougbell9543]

@@danube466 I stand firmly behind my assessment of the exclusivity of the Orthodox Church. Be assured that there is a small believing remnant in every Christian denomination. ✔️

[@davidmckelvey2601]

Orthodox Christians: Ha ha ha, silly Protestants you guys are so divided! You guys think the Holy Spirit is confused! Also Orthodox Christians: Can non-Orthodox Christians go to heaven? Well, some of us say yes and some of say no...we are united in division!

[@9space344]

Majority of Orthodox believe salvation can be acquired from other denominations

[@elel2608]

Also Orthodox Christians: Nah Cyril and Origen were theological bums cuz they rejected icons … nah these guys were saints and theological beasts because they believed in Mary’s perpetual virginity!

[@davidmckelvey2601]

@@9space344 And I have met other Orthodox who say that all other denominations go to hell.

[@justanotherlikeyou]

KZbin channel called "ancientpathstv" being run by a Presbyterian. The irony is not lost on me

[@orwellianpepe7660]

You are not ancient either. You are a follower of 7th century John of Damascus. You could even follow Muhammad by your own standards.

[@ancientpathstv]

Go ahead and mock. Keep telling yourself Eastern Orthodoxy is what has been believed everywhere, always, by all. Ignore all the evidence to the contrary. One day you will stand before a holy God and answer for having loved a lie.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@mmore242 Did you watch the video?

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

@@ancientpathstv Right, and God revealed the totality of the true Christianity in the 16th century by a 20 year old lawyer, ordained by nobody, self-appointed corrector of apparently over a thousand years of error. Good luck entrusting your salvation to that. Not all that different than the claim of the muslims that the crucifixion was a phantasm that Allah was perfectly happy to let people believe in and be damned for 600 years for no reason but his own glory. Not that different from Calvinism, in fact you think God turned a blind eye for longer.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@stpaulphillip]

Leave it to the Presbyterians to do actual research 👏

[@rsns776]

​@@IanErickson-z2ggo cry idol worshipper

[@paulpeter2869]

You definitely wouldnt debate Jay Dyer and Craig from Orthodox Theology will come out with a response to your absurd video.

[@ancientpathstv]

So if I go on Craig's podcast, would you actually deal with the arguments in the video, or would you keep moving the goalposts?

[@Bbos2383]

Why would he need to debate them? It seems the evidence in this video speaks for itself. Why don't you try refuting it? Because you can't.

[@intothekey]

Oh Jay Dyer is Eastern Orthodox now, he's grifted place to place so much it's hard to keep tract.

[@alpinefool8814]

@Veganismdebunked812 Ah yes. The same Peter Dimond who pauses videos and concludes that the weird expression of the person on the video is proof they are possessed by demons. Clearly an intellectually and spiritually inclined person worthy of Dyer's time.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@famicommike9014]

I don't understand why you used a clip at the 1:01:19 of a Coptic priest. The Oriental Orthodox aren't even in communion with the Eastern Orthodox.

[@ancientpathstv]

I used it because it nicely summarizes the Eastern position on Helvidius. Helvidius was pre-Chalcedon. Like many American Coptic priests, Fr. Abraham Wassif is a St. Vladimir's graduate, who's articulating the same thing an Eastern Orthodox priest would say, but because it's coming from a Copt, it's supposedly suspect. It demonstrates that Eastern Orthodox will grasp at anything to claim I know nothing and ignore the overwhelming evidence against their position.

[@famicommike9014]

​@@ancientpathstvI see. I'm Oriental Orthodox and watched your video fully (took 3 days to get through it all). Good production and editing I will give you that just a marathon to watch.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@famicommike9014 Thank you! There was a lot of information to pack in. 🙂 I could have done a whole lot more, but I was trying to crystallize the main issues and yet deal with them substantively. I've had Eastern Orthodox not only complain about Wassif, but even the clip of Patriarch Kirill. 🙂

[@famicommike9014]

@@ancientpathstv well if it means anything, the EO don't even recognize the Oriental Orthodox churches like the Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, etc etc as Orthodox since the Council of Chalcedon. On a funny but odd note, My Greek Fat Wedding the movie of all things did introduce me to Orthodoxy back in 2009.

[@JoshuaCookLibertyIsRising]

The Orthodox Church in the US is seeing an increase in new converts while the Protestant denominations are in decline. As Protestants get more woke, the faithful look for a more ancient authentic faith. They start attending divine liturgical services and they find a home in Orthodox Church. At my parish many young men seeking the truth convert and they bring their families. So we are growing. My recommendation is attend a local parish and experience the Orthodox Way for yourself.

[@orwellianpepe7660]

Here in Germany people are leaving Catholic and orthodox churches en masse, only the Bible only/born again Christians are getting more and more every day.

[@Tiredhike]

@@mkbr1992 and Protestants are growing more than any other tradition worldwide including orthodox countries. We can’t confuse the online orthobro fad with reality.

[@ancientpathstv]

Great job of avoiding all the issues in the video.

[@alpinefool8814]

@@eremiasranwolf3513 I mean, aren’t you kind of larping as a Protestant by trying to fit in with them by condemning the Orthodox, despite being a Papist? Also, how is that Papist prophecy by a literal child about Russia’s conversion to Papism going?

[@alpinefool8814]

@@mkbr1992 The overall amount of the Orthodox can still be dwindling overall while the amount of converts increases. These aren’t mutually exclusive. I know that in my parish last year we received more converts than any other year in the history of our parish.

[@pg618]

These very important issues drove me to study church history and after several years of study I joined the Orthodox church and that is my home now for over 35 years. Let this inspire you to go and see and open your heart to the historical original ongoing book of Acts apostolic Church.

[@ancientpathstv]

Mormons also tell me to look for a "burning in my bosom," rather than following the clear teachings of God's Word. Instead of engaging their critics, they bear their testimony and insist they know their church is true.

[@pg618]

@@ancientpathstv what is this burning in the bosom? I have no idea what you're talkin about. And if the teaching from scripture is really clear then why are there thousands of denominations? you know it's totally subjective interpretations.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@pg618 The "burning in the bosom" is supposed to be a direct, subjective witness of the Holy Spirit to the truth of the Book of Mormon. They believe it trumps the Bible. The video dealt with the "thousands of denominations" argument. Did you watch it all?

[@imaginedreamingofficial3432]

@@ancientpathstv Are you familiar with John Frames book Evangelical Reunion?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@imaginedreamingofficial3432 Yes

[@pg618]

No matter what flavor of protest-ism, post-renaissance so-called church that one belongs to they must ask the question where would you go to church in the first 1,000 years of Christianity? The other option is to believe that everyone everywhere all got it wrong until your little group came along and actually some people really truly believe that craziness.

[@ancientpathstv]

If you watched the whole video, you would know we addressed this claim.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@BillyBob777ro3]

Brother your video helped me greatly. I have been searching for a true church and Orthodoxy was my last hope. Thankfully I did research before jumping into it. Ive realized there is no "true" church except in those who truly follow God.

[@ancientpathstv]

God has spoken in the Scriptures. Ignore them at your peril.

[@BillyBob777ro3]

@@ancientpathstv youre right. As much as I wanted to beleieve, I simply cannot agree with outright heresy/blasphemy. Keep up the good work

[@ancientpathstv]

Please watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@moranaokeoke990]

​@@BillyBob777ro3 3 weeks ago you was Orthodox!? 😂 I mean God bless you on your path, but you should calm down yourself.

[@BillyBob777ro3]

@@moranaokeoke990 No idea what youre talking about.

[@scythemane_tv]

14:50 - What??? Paul did not write or leave a bible, he wrote like 7 letters not the Gospels or Revelations. The Church tells us what is Canon. 19:15 - Refuted by Joshua 7:6 - Thanks for selling me on Orthodoxy

[@ancientpathstv]

Paul left a complete Old Testament, a complete Pauline corpus, the Book of Acts, and probably most of the rest of the New Testament. You seem to think the church waited centuries before knowing what came from the apostles. Irenaeus in the second century didn't. He named all four gospels, quoted from them, and rejected the counterfeits. Try again.

[@ancientpathstv]

All that is a lot more than the "two little epistles" Trenham was describing.

[@TheMhouk2]

@@ancientpathstv he did not leave a complete old testament, there was no uniform Old testament amongst jews - secondly Irenaeus quoting the gospels doesn't is a non sequitur to then take the view he identified what the whole canon was - disingenuous and bad argumentation

[@ajtsanvk]

I am an Orthodox and one of the things that convinced me the most to be one is our Saints are not emotional and not having very very weird visions.. Like st. Catharina of Siena. Absolutely disgusting. Also in Orthodox we have not even one single case of stigmata. In any time of history. That tells alot...

[@ancientpathstv]

Please engage the content of the video.

[@ajtsanvk]

@ancientpathstv I am just adding.

[@mattwashere__]

As a Catholic I’m not orthodox as all of the other Patriarcal Sees from the Pentarchy outside of Rome, such as Antioch, Jerusalem, Constantinople and Alexandria fell to errors and heresies (if we ignore the Filioque and other disputes regarding Purgatory, I’m talking about Monothelism, Byzantine Iconoclasm, Cesaropapism etc), all of them fell to Muslim conquest, besides, the other Patriarchies such as Moscow were dominated by a Freemason such as Peter I, posteriorly submitting itself to the Soviet authorities in the declaration of Patriarch Sergei I, the other Patriarchies are too irrelevant to be taken into consideration, also, the disregard and pure hatred of the Orthodox to the Latin Liturgy is disgusting, little do most orthodox faithful know that there’s Latin Rite Orthodox Priests, most traditional Catholics love the Byzantine liturgy and the other Eastern rites, even if a certain degree of Latinization is present, Rome was the only Patriarchal See that didn’t fall into heresy until 1958, when an antipope usurped the Roman See, that’s why I keep being Roman Catholic, if we will talk about “disgusting practices” we need to mention Gregory Palamas and the canonized Bishops and Priests under soviet rule

[@ancientpathstv]

@@mattwashere__ Please watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@adamwrightus]

this video helped spur me to go to my local Orthodox church when I wasnt really wasn't feeling it. thank you for the encouragement!

[@ancientpathstv]

There's a day of judgment coming for all of us. Many will mourn the time they used mockery to evade the truth.

[@ancientpathstv]

@ZmayevOrder You say it "failed miserably," but no one has yet documented a single error. Like yourself, they bluster, but ignore the evidence.

[@ancientpathstv]

​@@adjustedbrass7551 The truth is that God has spoken, and He defines orthodoxy contrary to you. Eastern Orthodoxy isn't the faith of the apostles or the early church. We document the differences in the video, but since you don't engage any of its content, I'm guessing you haven't bothered to watch it all. I'm not to rehearse it all again in a comment.

[@MS-pw6jx]

Hey man, As someone who was a very serious inquirer for the better part of a year, can I ask what about this video leads you to be encouraged to head to your local EO church? God bless

[@ancientpathstv]

@@Kostas_Dikefalaios I stand with the Apostles and the church fathers against your Gnostic and medieval fictions.

[@GabrielRomeu-b2o]

The amount of church fathers against images is astounding, or at least, the amount of opinions that contradict the use of icons

[@jakeroon]

it really is- funny how those guys are always run out of the church or their writtings deemed as heretical- isn't it?

[@saltMagic]

I mean there was a literal iconoclast/iconophile civil war that lasted about 150 years.

[@orwellianpepe7660]

They want to believe in spiritual Platon and Aristoteles Philosophy instead of Christ. I want to follow Christ, so my authority is Christ. And his life and teachings are in the Bible. I don’t need philosophy from church fathers to believe in Christ.

[@Benjamin-bq7tc]

No, your authority is yourself.

[@TheOtherCaleb0266]

So is yours and every single person in history. You choose to lay down your authority to the EO, he chooses to be a protestant. If you woke up tomorrow and chose to not be EO you'd leave.

[@orwellianpepe7660]

@@Benjamin-bq7tcNo, my authority is Christ and the apostles. Not Platon loving church fathers.

[@jamessheffield4173]

let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the Word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth.[1] Basil the Great, The Letters, Letter 189 (To Eustathius the Physician).

[@EvanHuber-nv3kl]

As much as i agree with the overall thesis of the video, refering to icons as "badly painted pieces of wood" is a low blow. I have a great appreciation for the artistic style of the east. Then again, im a lutheran, and we've always had a greater appreciation for art than the reformed.

[@ancientpathstv]

When Rome and the East anathematizes me unless I venerate them, they are idols for destruction.

[@EvanHuber-nv3kl]

​@ancientpathstv , that I can understand. My problem with icons is not that they exist. It's that both Rome and the East command me to venerate them. I'm an aniconist, meaning I believe having art in worship is good as long as the art is not worshipped or distract from the worship.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@EvanHuber-nv3kl When even the brazen serpent was worshiped, it proves that our hearts are natural idol factories and images in worship should be avoided.

[@ok-lq6tv]

@@ancientpathstv yeah, but who was it that commanded to set the serpent on the rod?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@ok-lq6tv If you bothered to watch the video, you'd see it's addressed, with testimonies of the church fathers on the matter. As shown in the followup video on the Filioque, even Roman Catholic scholar Richard Price admits,". . .the iconoclast claim that reverence towards images did not go back to the golden age of the fathers [i.e., 325-451], still less to the apostles, would be judged by impartial historians today to be simply correct."

[@doulostheou777]

Brilliant presentation. Thank you for showing the truth of scripture vs man made tradition.(former Roman Catholic and now Presbyterian)

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! And praise God! 🙂

[@ancientpathstv]

You might also enjoy our followup video on Cyril Lucaris and this one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@TheChristianKingTV]

Thank you so much for putting together all this information, it was very comprehensive and exactly what I was looking for. God bless you 🙏🙏

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@davidshoesmith3780]

I was a Protestant for most of my life and my parents were evangelicals and I went to a non denominational evangelical Church that had their services in gymnasiums and they rented out some buildings as well. The only thing we had was the Bible and our interpretations of it, if it wasn’t in the Bible it was a “tradition of men that nullified the word of God”. Church History wasn’t discussed, the Catholic Church was constantly ripped on as being “pagan” and so on and so forth. The Church services added nothing to my life, it was just all guys wearing suits and jumbo trons and Christian rock music, everything was so shallow. If I could sum up Protestantism with one word it would be shallow or minimalist, and that seems to be the intent of Protestantism, to get rid of all those pesky traditions, and to have nothing but the Bible. No icons, no mysticism, your entire faith is intellectual, not spiritual. This is why so many young people in the 1960s, after having all these spiritual awakenings, looked to the eastern religions for their spiritual sustenance rather than to their own Protestant traditions, because the Protestant tradition is all intellectual and non spiritual. Protestantism, in particular Reformed Protestantism, is like a dried up, stale cracker. It’s like old musty carpet that hasn’t been cleaned in thirty years, a flavourless meal that has no nutrition. After having my spiritual awakening, and becoming more involved in my non denominational church, I was searching for something more, something deeper and more contemplative, I wanted to know what the early Church was like and I wanted to study Church history because these things were not seen as important in the Protestant tradition I was raised in, because of the emphasis on “the Bible alone” so I started to dig deeper into Church history and eventually I was led to the Eastern Orthodox Church. And I discovered in the Orthodox Church all the spiritual sustenance I need, and a goldmine of Saints and deep mystical theology to study and emulate. In the Protestant tradition there are no Saints or Holy Men, all believers are considered saints, but in the Orthodox tradition you have these Holy people who lived radical and transformed lives for Christ. I will never return to Protestantism, how could I return to Protestantism? Once you discover these things you cannot look back. My Reformed friends want to attack me everytime I discuss these things with them. You will know a tree by its fruits, look at the fruits of Protestantism it’s a colossal failure. 40,000 denominations that all assert supremacy over one another, with shallow seeker friendly services, teaching worldly doctrines rather than the self denial and cross carrying teachings of Christ. People are serious about their religion and spiritual growth tend to be hungry for depth and mysticism in their spiritual life, what to the Reformed have to offer in this area? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in this area. It’s all about how awful you are as a human, and how Christ was slaughtered on your behalf to satisfy the wrath of a blood thirsty God, oh yeah a here’s my book shelf containing volumes and volumes of systematic theology and books explaining why the Reformed tradition is superior to all other forms of Christianity.” Honestly what a joke. Thank God I am Orthodox. I will die an Orthodox Christian!

[@ancientpathstv]

What you described sounds more like Dispensationalism than Protestantism. If you watched the whole video, you would know they're not the same. We deal with its errors here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJubeIutYsyVnZI You've gone from one unbiblical error to another and use the first to justify the second. Rather than "bearing your testimony," how about actually engaging the content of the video? Eastern Orthodoxy is no more the biblical faith than Dispensationalism. Both rely on fake histories.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@lukebrasting5108 Your view of the Scriptures is not the same as Jesus or the apostles. The Scriptures were given to define and correct the church. Do you really think the church in Galatia could disregard Paul's letter, since they could claim apostolic succession?

[@joeybwalsh]

Everything you've written resonates with me. I was raised at a young age in charasmatic churches because my parent's believed that many churches in the reformed tradition were "dry" as you've described and even void of the Holy Spirit. Later as a teen we attended non-denom churches that were influenced by John Piper, Tim Keller, MacAuther etc and I went hard into Calvinist dogma believing it to be a more rational and was sincerely actracted to their "Gospel-Centered" messaging. The only Orthodox person I knew growing up was my Romanian grandmother who had converted to Catholicism, probably because there were no Orthodox parishes near her. She was such a devout Christian though. Then I met a friend in college from Bulgaria who had such a love for the Lord and modeled her life in a very Christ-like way. I asked her what denomination she was and she told me Orthodox. I responded, "so you're protestant like me" and she denied it emphaitcally. It confused me, I was certain she must be AOG or Pentocostal because of her passion for Christ. Then, years later I was invited to an Eastern Orthodox church by my boss and was really amazed by the service. The protestant in me recoiled at the icons, the insense,and even the sign of the cross, but the biggest impression it left on my was the amount of scripture that was read throughout the service. I thought since they weren't protestant that they must be Catholics and I always assumed Catholics didn't value scripture like that - and yet here I was at this Orthodox church that had more scripture than any "Bible Family Fellowship" church I've attended. Then for years I didn't give any thought to it until recently when Orthodox priest came up on my KZbin algorithm. His messages really put a fire in my spirit, awakening me from a long slumber I had felt. It's really hard to describe but I just felt like God was pulling at me. I still have this strange feeling in my belly that is drawing me to attend an Orthodox church, a feeling like when you had a crush on a girl and don't want her to know. I just hope these feelings aren't just some shallow attraction to the novelty. I've been praying that if it's really the Holy Spirit that is drawing me to the Orthodox church that He will make it known to me. I do not want to be led by my flesh, my attraction to new things, or God forbit an evil spirit. I just know that ever since I started listening to Orthodox sermons I have been so convicted of my sin and have a strong desire to pray, to be in communion with God, to be filled with his Spirit anew and I really hope this isn't some "phase" or fleating emotion that passes and leaves me back in my old ways. There are still some conflicting teachings I am questioning because I've held them and assumed them to be true for so long, but one thing I'm not questioning is how the Holy Spirit has used the sermons I've listened to to lead me to repentence and prayer, to a love for Christ and others, and a desire to be more like Jesus.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@joeybwalsh There's a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is the way of death. Test everything by God's Word. The Spirit speaks by and with His Word, not against it.

[@joeybwalsh]

Amen@@ancientpathstv

[@choppy1356]

@ 9:15 you say the attendance at the Council of Hieria in 754 was greater than five of the previous six ecumenical councils. How many of the patriarchs (or representatives of the five patriarchates) were at this council?

[@ancientpathstv]

The Patriarchate of Constantinople was vacant during Hieria. Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria were under Muslim control, and the emperor who called the council (every ecumenical council was called by one) no longer ruled in the West, so Rome was not sought. Eastern Orthodox claim this makes it obviously a "robber synod." The reality is very different. There were no patriarchs at the Jerusalem Council, but apostles. Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria claimed to be apostolic sees very early and to hold some kind of apostolic authority, but the idea of patriarchs developed over time. Chalcedon as "the new Rome" was declared a patriarchate in the fourth century. Jerusalem in the fifth. Eastern Orthodox also ignore that the later Council of Constantinople that affirmed Hieria was presided over by the Patriarch of Constantinople.

[@choppy1356]

​@@ancientpathstv Patriarchs are bishops. Bishops assumed the ministry of the apostles in the handing down of the faith, as those entrusted by the apostles. So the point that there were no bishops at Jerusalem, only apostles, seems to fall flat. For example, you're not an apostle, but I assume you make some decisions in your church? I assume some Reformed people get together and decide together, in a conciliar manner, that they're not going to go along with the LGBT agenda. None of those who chose to split from the corrupted Reformed churches were apostles. By 754, Rome, Antioch and Alexandria were well established as part of the five patriarchates. Same with Chalcedon and Jerusalem. Ecumenical Councils are conciliar. It is unthinkable that one bishop (or no bishops) could decide for all the others. As with the early church, there is a hierarchy in Orthodoxy. No one makes up their own mind, apart from the Body of Christ, apart from presbyters or overseer (bishop). It's unthinkable in Orthodoxy for "everyone to do what is right in his own eyes". So this specific point---i.e., your reliance on the Council of Hieria as the true 7th Council--is a bit weak. Also, the mention of interference by emperors (and empresses) avoids the fact that Protestantism was urged on by political reformers. Much like George Soros and the global oligarchs are influencing all the churches today with social justice activism and the sodomite agenda, the Church has always been pushed this way and that way by external, secular forces. The same can be said for Israel in the OT. We all live in a Real World, governed by God and his Providence.

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

@@ancientpathstvThe answer is zero. And yet somehow they made it to Nicea II, 33 years later, when the situation was not much different if you’re arguing geopolitics was prohibitive. Let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

[@cayetanohuett9037]

@@ancientpathstv Ya the Patriarch appointed by the iconoclast emperor who got rid of the Patriarch before.... How many other Patriarchs were there?

[@ancientpathstv]

@@cayetanohuett9037 The whole point is that councils contradict and were all tainted to varying degrees with political intrigue. Some were more faithful, while others were heretical. Eastern Orthodox appeal to a triumph by the sword in the eighth century, while ignoring that God eventually gave the whole Byzantine Empire over to destruction. The Scriptures don't contradict. They are infallible. The church isn't.

[@HHH_Hymnal]

Is there any mention of Cyril Lucaris in this video?

[@ancientpathstv]

Yes

[@ancientpathstv]

Here you go. 🙂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@colehunt439]

Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us, sinners.

[@sethcarter4910]

One day, maybe even soon, all of us who profess faith in Christ will be undeniably united under the sword of persecution. The EO, RC, and protestant alike will be united because when persecution is global it will not matter one bit which sect any of us belong to, only who our Lord is. Declaring anathama on those who have faith in Christ is really a luxury the EO church takes for granted, because there will come a day when whether they like it or not they'll be considered by the world to be equal to the protestant. Also every time I hear the EO pray the anathama to the protestant prayer the ONLY thing I can think of is the parable of the pharisee and the tax collector. God have mercy on us all. Great Video!!!

[@machinotaur]

All other forms of Christianity failed to call me to Christ, so Orthodoxy has not failed. I would have died an atheist if the only church I ever knew of was Presbyterian.

[@ancientpathstv]

The Pharisees were thought to be the most devout Jews. Jesus told them they were of their father, the devil. Rejecting the Jesus of the Bible takes many forms.

[@lynnmmartin]

What would you say to those whom Eastern Orthodoxy failed to call to Christ, yet who came to Christ through a reformation tradition?

[@machinotaur]

I would say glory to God. Calvinism failed me personally, and perhaps others, but I wouldn't go as far as to make a 2 hour long video saying that it has failed in total; and nor would I make non sequitur remarks about Pharisees in the comments of such a video.

[@lynnmmartin]

@@machinotaur I'm glad to hear that. I also say glory to God for those who find Christ through Eastern Orthodoxy (or Calvinism, which I disagree with as well). But I think it's important to recognize wherever any tradition has departed from the original faith delivered through the apostles, so that we can hold fast to what is historic.

[@alecfoster448]

@@ancientpathstvThese are very interesting details to discuss. Thank you for compiling them. Coming from someone who is not EO, it seems very radical to say that EO reject the “Jesus of the Bible”. Some of the most humble Christians I learn from are EO, and some of the most prideful are “reformed” Christians. All are zealous for orthodoxy. We cannot be so quick to judge.

[@kyrie-eleison-23]

Although this video has some good points (some of which I have no answer for as I am not a scholar), I still think Eastern Orthodoxy provides a better foundation than Reformed Christianity. The spiritual practice of the EO church is far superior than anything I found in Protestantism. Protestantism, generally speaking, has severed itself from the history of the Church; never did I hear about the lives of the saints, nor did I hear about the Ecumenical Councils. Beauty has also been stripped from many Reformed churches, which grieves me, as art can be used to glorify God and educate parishoners. The church calendar has been done away with for no good reason; the church calendar helps us Christians to remember and celebrate important events in history. I truly cannot go back to Reformed Christianity, it is spiritually malnourished. I think EO has the Gospel of Christ. My only critique of Orthodoxy is that it needs to evangelize more and needs to address parishes that have become 'ethnic clubs'. May God bless you.

[@ancientpathstv]

Your experience doesn't sound very Protestant. Our congregation recites the Nicene Creed every week. As demonstrated in our most recent video, Eastern Orthodox anathematize Protestants and ask God that we be unforgiven in this life and the next, so instead of sharing your subjective opinion, how about actually dealing with the evidence? God has spoken, and presented a radically different gospel than Eastern Orthodoxy. You ignore Him at your peril. Here's the most recent video, which demonstrates even more Eastern Orthodox lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@kyrie-eleison-23]

@@ancientpathstv Well, sorry to burst your bubble but it was a 'Protestant experience'; I have attended Anglican, Presbyterian and Baptist churches, and the only one to recite the creed were the Anglicans (who didn't even follow their BCP - what a joke). I believe the anathemas are in place as a warning to those who willingly cause theological chaos and dissent. Do you think the resulting theological chaos of the Reformation is a blessing or a good thing? One of my biggest gripes with Protestantism is its proposal of 'Branch Theory', as it isn't compatible with the writings of the Apostles, nor the Nicene Creed, nor the Saints who succeeded the Apostles. Catholicity isn't found in multiplicity of doctrine, rather, it is found in unity of doctrine and the Eucharist (I found that out the hard way over the past few years). I simply cannot fathom the idea that Christ's church apostatised on fundamental issues at such a wide level, so early on, only for it to be 'corrected' by the Reformers centuries later. It calls into question the providence of God and Christ's words that the 'Gates of Hades shall not prevail'. One thing I have gathered from your video, and other critics of Orthodoxy, is that people don't like the exclusivity of the Orthodox Church. To me, that criticism makes no sense, especially when I hear it from Calvinists (such as yourself), as they are literally the most exclusive Christians in existence (James White is a prime example). All I can say about these 'lies', the ones you speak of, is that maybe you're just misinterpreting the data? I don't know. May God bless you and guide you.

[@andythecrimson8877]

@@kyrie-eleison-23 well said Kyrie Eleison. I agree with you.

[@matthewrudolph3514]

Wrong

[@ancientpathstv]

@@kyrie-eleison-23 The "most exclusive Christians in the world"? I find that funny. Dr. White (a Baptist) has preached numerous times in our Presbyterian church and shared communion with us. Meanwhile Eastern Orthodoxy calls for me to be unforgiven in this life and the next. How about actually dealing with the content of the video?

[@dustinneely]

I agree with Fr. Josiah Trenham. His book Rock & Sand exposes Protestantism's failure.

[@ancientpathstv]

Appeals to authority make for poor argumentation. If you bothered to watch the video, you'd see that we document his lies. We hope to be exposing more in an upcoming video on this channel.

[@dustinneely]

@@ancientpathstv please. You're wasting my time. You appeal to your own fallacious authority that came about in the 16th Century. History is not on your side.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@dustinneely I give documented evidence. You just make gratuitous assertions.

[@dustinneely]

@@ancientpathstv claims do not equal evidence.

[@ancientpathstv]

​@@dustinneely We've documented our evidence from original sources. Instead of engaging the evidence, you're just claiming it's wrong. Engage the evidence and try to prove your case.

[@zp5600]

This is a really well put together video. I have been looking into Orthodox a fair bit recently, however this video has also helped to anchor me into discerning between tradition and biblical teaching. I like the comparison you make of when Jesus rebukes the Pharisees of their traditional practices that were not supported by biblical teachings. This definitely opened my eyes to not just blindly accept traditions as being the "spoken" teachings passed down through the churches. Thank you for your perspective you have brought

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@IsraelCountryCube]

Ive told many Catholic women and men that if "God" would, is calling me to become priest, that is the only objection i have to Catholicism because i want children and wife because naturally i feel the emotional and physical need to do so. I feel so much stress thinking how i am not going to get what I've longed for over decade what i truly needed the moment i was self exposed to pornography. Im Catholic but i just know priesthood is not for me. I dont see Protestantism as true neither.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@IsraelCountryCubePlease watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@jakeroon]

Any church that has such a history of constantly moving the goal posts of redemptoion and sactification and justification etc etc rooting them not in any scripture , but is wild mysteries and myticisms- is just a cult- no matter how old or well established.

[@ChrististKing]

☦☦☦ LORD HAVE MERCY! JESUS CHRIST! SON OF GOD, HAVE MERCY ON ME, A SINNER! ☦☦☦

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool]

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)

[@ancientpathstv]

@@peterorthodox360 Our foundation is the Bible and the testimony of the early church, not a bunch of medieval fictions.

[@houbertcanitio2199]

​@@ancientpathstv Your Calvinism is built on the foundation of lies

[@sethcarter1703]

@@houbertcanitio2199you quite literally just called holy scripture “a mountain of lies” see that’s what EO and RC don’t seem to understand. Every time you call us heretics you’re calling holy scripture heresy or you don’t understand sola scriptura. You cling to your traditions, you know, that thing the Pharisees used to nullify scripture. Who has the most “holy traditions” EO and RC. Now stay with me here, who argues against scripture more than anyone? EO and RC. Do you seriously think your church is infallible to falling into sin like the Pharisees?

[@AW27007]

Im a Orthodox, and will stay Orthodox. HOWEVER, this video was interesting to listen to, thank you.

[@ancientpathstv]

Please deal with the issues raised. Your church anathematizes me. They're preaching an unbiblical gospel.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@justian1772 Gratuitous assertions make for bad argumentation. We offered documented evidence. You've just blustered.

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

@@ancientpathstv I'm surprised you know what the word anathema means. We're the only Church still proclaiming anathemas, 2,000 years later. Even the Roman Catholics have fallen to the soft times.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@CHURCHISAWESUM As shown in the video, the Apostle Paul pronounced anathemas on your gospel in Galatians 1.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@soare5182 You might want to consult the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. It defines an anathema as a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication; the denunciation of something as accursed; a vigorous denunciation : curse. If you read through the comments, I've repeatedly been called a heretic and a demon. Instead of using prayer to ignore the lies of Eastern Orthodoxy, I'd prefer you deal with what's in the video and test all things by God's Word in the Bible.

[@JoshAlicea1229]

It’s funny how hubris many Protestants are when they think they know the scriptures better than those who have the same mindset as those who wrote it. Think of the scriptures like a camcorder with all of your early family vacations. You are showing them to your grandchildren. Do the videos have the entirety of what was said done on those vacations? No, the have the highlights, and important moments. But as Paul said, there were some things that were written, and some things that were taught verbally in person. Yes we have everything we need in the Holy Scriptures, but the menu is not the meal. The meal is found in the Orthodox life which the Scriptures describe.

[@ancientpathstv]

We document the lies of Eastern Orthodoxy, and the best you can offer in rebuttal is a bad analogy? Eastern Orthodoxy can't provide a single word of Paul's teaching other than what's in the Bible. It simply claims everything it does is based on oral tradition. We demonstrate that what you insist is was delivered orally contradicts not only the Scriptures, but the faith of the early church.

[@JoshAlicea1229]

@@ancientpathstv REBUTTAL TO “THE FAILURE OF THE EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH” kzbin.infohJvYz8duZhM?si=LjlRkP4LsfC7domv

[@chuckdiesal83]

Are you able to add chapters with headings to the video? To break it up by argument?

[@ancientpathstv]

Thanks for the suggestion. Done.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@jamessheffield4173]

They are charging me with innovation, and base their charge on my confession of three hypostases, and blame me for asserting one Goodness, one Power, one Godhead. In this they are not wide of the truth, for I do so assert. Their complaint is that their custom does not accept this, and that Scripture does not agree. What is my reply? I do not consider it fair that the custom which obtains among them should be regarded as a law and rule of orthodoxy. If custom is to be taken in proof of what is right, then it is certainly competent for me to put forward on my side the custom which obtains here. If they reject this, we are clearly not bound to follow them. Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the Word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth.[1] ] Basil the Great, The Letters, Letter 189 (To Eustathius the Physician).

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@BrotherStororius]

to everyone in the comments there is no need to be disrespectful you guys are free to debate and refute us but please dont be rude ☦

[@JukeBoxDestroyer]

Christian-Zionism is literally modern Molochian idol worship and anyone not speaking out against this heresy and condemning this fact, is guilty by association and share in their guilt. More martyrs in the Millions were made of the Eastern Orthodox faith at the bloody hands of iewish Bolsheviks, than any other Christian denomination in history. What sacrifices have you ever made for your so-called 'faith'. These same Bolsheviks would later migrate to Israel and call themselves Zionists, including their first prime minister Ben-Gurion, who started & lead his own 'Red' Socialist party called 'Mapai', while he was in office both times. Trotsky too had express his support for Israel.

[@ancientpathstv]

Please watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJubeIutYsyVnZI

[@hll97fr16]

Please do also a video on clerical celibacy. The Bible is straight and clear that Apostle had wives, but yet Jerome think that they left their wife's, wich is totally unfounded in the scriptures.

[@SolusChristus12]

It is demon teaching, 1 Timothy 4:1-3

[@GabrielRomeu-b2o]

I'm at 15:03, it is a strange claim to say that the Apostle Paul left the Christians with the bible. No, he left them indeed with his letters, and oral explanations. A valid point is raised however, in that the Eastern Orthodox simply assume they know what the oral teachings were despite not being able to provide a word for it. But there was no New Testament canon until the council of Nicaea. Is this council also wrong? If so, why do Christians essentially universally accept it's New Testament canon?

[@Apologia14]

Nicea did not decide the canon.

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

he left them with an entire Old testament canon, the Septuagint

[@whatisyouranchor]

Great video, my friend. Very insightful. God bless you

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@elmitross]

Justify canon of the Scripture without appealing to the One True Holy Apostolic and Catholic Orthodox Church, whom you deny authority. I'll wait...

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

As Reformed Christians, we hold that the only true church is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. You might say that we aren't a part of it, but we hold that those who depart from the Divinely inspired Apostolic Witness, the New Testament, cannot be within the Apostolic Church. Our God, the Trinity, One in essence and undivided, established the canon. The Church can only passively receive it, but it has no authority to establish it.

[@elmitross]

@@TheReformedCatholic The question is: How do we *know* what are the Scriptures and what books are considered as such. We, the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church know it because the Scriptures are part of our Holy Tradition passed down by apostles all the way to us, but you as the ones that deny Holy Tradition can't have coherent and consistent knowledge of it. So, to answer your question, a first century Jew knew the teachings of the Church because the apostles teached him so, even before Gospels were composed. How you answer this question if the ultimate authority is the Scriptures, which hadn't even existed in that time?

[@elmitross]

@@PrenticeBoy1688 How do you *know* what books are part of the canon? Last time I checked, the Scriptures don't contain list of books that make the Scriptures.

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

@@elmitross The same way that the Jews knew what the canon of the Tanakh was: the ministration of the Holy Spirit. The Church is Christ's bride. She doesn't put words into the mouth of her Husband, she merely passively submits to His voice. She isn't infallible, only her Husband as a part of the Triune Godhead is infallible.There were no councils of the preincarnation Church that defined the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures. The early Church did, indeed, have a Bible: the Septuagint. Christ, Himself, held the Jewish religious leaders to account because they negated God's very written words by following unwritten tradition that was supposedly handed down from Moses. The Apostles did many miracles in Christ's name, just as the prophets of the Jews worked wonders to establish their credentials to speak as God commanded them. During their lifetime, their God-breathed testimony instructed the Church. Their written witness, the New Testament, is also God-breathed. The Holy Spirit chose those written testimonies and those letters of the Apostles to be preserved and handed down. If the Apostles said things other than what was Divinely preserved, then God has actively chosen not to preserve those things. The Reformed Protestant claim is that we, as members of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, have sought to return to the Apostolic part. We only have one reliable record of their teaching, a God-breathed record: the Holy Scriptures. Later additions and innovations to the Scriptures only serve to muddy the the crystal clear water of Divine revelation.

[@elmitross]

@@PrenticeBoy1688 Ok, how do you know which written testimonies Holy Spirit chose to be part of the Scriptures, and which didn't? Has He revealed that somehow, apart from the Holy Tradition, and the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? If the Church is fallible, as you say, how do we know that She hasn't erred about canon? How do we know Holy Spirit at all, apart from Christ's Church? Your position is incoherent and your reasoning is circular.

[@mihaaai7834]

The Orthodox is the oldest Christian Religion and will remain the true one. It was said recently that the catholics and orthodox shall unite, but the true Easter will not happen. We are Christians, we shall stay unite! But Orthodox dogma will remain the true one.

[@ancientpathstv]

I spent a long time listening to Eastern Orthodox and answering them from church history and God's Word. You simply make a gratuitous assertion. Did you watch the whole video?

[@bradleyperry1735]

@@ancientpathstvGod’s Word is Jesus Christ. You commit idolatry of the Bible.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@tigger55100]

@@mihaaai7834 I came into the Eastern Orthodox Church 20+ years ago coming out of Roman Catholic tradition and a brief stint in the Lutheran church. Over the years, I have learned more about my Christian faith and roots through research and readings, especially doing biblical studies and research. I came to realize that the Eastern Orthodox Church tends to demonize and vilify other faithful believers in Jesus Christ instead of reaching out to fellow believers. This has bothered me for years, many so-called Orthodox don’t even read the Bible, only what the priest tells them.

[@tristanjohnson822]

Before watching this, I was Orthodox. After watching this I am still Orthodox and will be until the day my soul departs this earth

[@ancientpathstv]

Mormons love their lies too.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@yeoberry]

@@tristanjohnson822 1. The second commandment (Ex. 20:4ff) is the only commandment that explicitly describes what is prohibited: making an image and bowing to it. Doing that very thing but claiming the images are not really idols but "icons" and the bowing isn't really worship but "veneration" is disingenuous. 2. Canon 36 of the Council of Elvira states, “Pictures are not to be placed in churches, so that they do not become objects of worship and adoration.” 3. Origen (184-254) responded to Celsus by admitting that Christians used no images; he mocked the notion that images were helpful in worship, and, citing the Second Commandment wrote, “It is in consideration of these and many other such commands, that they [Christians] not only avoid temples, altars, and images, but are ready to suffer death when it is necessary, rather than debase by any such impiety the conception which they have of the Most High God.” (Origin, Contra Celsus, Book VII, Chapter 64.) 4. Eusebius (c. AD 263 - 339) wrote that even the incarnate Christ cannot appear in an image, for "the flesh which He put on for our sake … was mingled with the glory of His divinity so that the mortal part was swallowed up by Life. . . . This was the splendor that Christ revealed in the transfiguration and which cannot be captured in human art. To depict purely the human form of Christ before its transformation, on the other hand, is to break the commandment of God and to fall into pagan error." 5. Epiphanius (inter 310-320 - 403): "I went in to pray, and found there a curtain hanging on the doors of the said church, dyed and embroidered. It bore an image either of Christ or of one of the saints; I do not rightly remember whose the image was. Seeing this, and being loath that an image of a man should be hung up in Christ's church contrary to the teaching of the Scriptures, I tore it asunder and advised the custodians of the place to use it as a winding sheet for some poor person." He goes on to tell John that such images are “contrary to our religion” and to instruct the presbyter of the church that such images are “an occasion of offense.” (Epiphanius, Letter 51, chapter 9). 6. Hence we see that the "Orthodox" church radically broke away from the tradition of the early church.

[@brandonroot7848]

Would love if you did a video solely on substitutionary atonement through the ages. It’s been a topic I’ve been studying a lot but am curious if you have any works on it or would recommend. God bless.

[@ancientpathstv]

I'm hoping to include it in an upcoming video, The Patristic Roots of the Reformed Faith.

[@904strengthclub]

It’s not there. That’s the problem.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@904strengthclub If you bothered to watch the video, you'd see that it is.

[@andrewdamerau2742]

This is a better advertisement of Orthodox Christianity than it is a rebuttal lol. I appreciate that you let the Orthodox clergy sprak for themselves rather than only stating your own claims 👍

[@ancientpathstv]

We let them speak, because we have no interest in battling straw men. We know no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars. As to "advertising Orthodoxy," Mormons claim the same about their critics. They refuse to admit their claims can't stand up to scrutiny.

[@frankperrella1202]

I'm Catholic the Eastern Orthodox Church is Political Fractured National Churches ROCOR the American Orthodox Church wants nothing to do with Russia. Reason & Theology Michael lofton I like his channel & Tim Staples ex Fundemetalist Baptist now Catholic. 🙏

[@frankperrella1202]

​@@ancientpathstvI agree the Eastern Orthodox pick & choose Council's. I'm Catholic & thought you did a solid job, You should watch the Debate Dr Robert Sungenis vs James White. God bless 🙏

[@ancientpathstv]

@@frankperrella1202 Thank you! We actually put together one of those debates with Sungenis here in Salt Lake City, along with another with Gerry Matatics. I moderated both. Please watch this other video we made. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@frankperrella1202]

@@ancientpathstv Awesome I will check it out. 🙏👍

[@MaryJohnH]

Do you have a detailed outline available for further study?

[@ancientpathstv]

Sorry, no. I make these in my spare time, while pastoring two churches and a mission work spread over 300 miles. 🙂

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@GabrielRomeu-b2o]

I will be adding comments as I watch the video for the first time, as someone who was baptized into the Oriental Orthodox Church. I'm greatly curious about the claims that will be made. But so far I am in 3:52. I do not find how quoting the Russian patriarch, who already faces much criticism within Orthodoxy, to be a useful way to criticize the Eastern Orthodox church. Patriarchs are not seen as infallible, and it would be no different than to quote something silly that a protestant pastor might have said.

[@ancientpathstv]

Like Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox claim their church is infallible, but that infallibility is hard to pin down. A charisma of office is supposed to keep patriarchs from misleading the church. This wasn't an offhand comment, but an official address to the church. I've had numerous Russian Orthodox tell me there was nothing wrong with what Patriarch Kirill said, while Greeks rant against him as a political hack. It shows the unity of the East is a joke. BTW, you'll see that I used an Oriental Orthodox priest to summarize the East's position on Jovinian. It was the best video available. Many ranted that I was showing my ignorance by including an Oriental Orthodox. I responded that he was a St. Vladimir graduate (like many Oriental Orthodox) and was stating the same thing any other Orthodox would say about Jovinian. It didn't stop them from ranting.

[@Hope_Boat]

@@ancientpathstv strawman argument. The patriarchs are not mini Roman Pontiffs what so ever and they don't claim personal infallibility. You either don't understand orthodoxy or deliberately misrepresent it. You are a joke.

[@firstsmoofy]

This a very good and informative study. Thank you.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you!

[@DerKirchenhocker]

Christian brothers don’t kill each other. If they do they’re not Christian. It’s as simple as that.

[@MineABear]

it's more like there faith drives them not to kill, they can still kill.

[@sempelpang]

Pastor Jason, I'm pivoting here from my previous, argumentative thread to say this: You are by far the best Protestant apologist I've encountered, and the depth of your research and engagement with history is incredible. Plus the love and effort you clearly poured into the production quality, something severely lacking in this corner of the internet... truly impressive work. I'm glad you mentioned your interview with Craig Truglia--I'm watching it now, and I feel like it's providing some vital context for your work here. I understand the tone of this video in a way I hadn't, and I very much appreciate your strong skepticism. You bring up a lot of good challenges to Orthodoxy, and though I may disagree with many of your conclusions, that only makes them more valuable to encounter. So, thank you! And keep up the good work.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you! Please check out all our claims. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.

[@ancientpathstv]

Please be sure to check out our followup video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@ancientpathstv]

@@stefan5234 If it's so bad you should be able to refute it with evidence, and not just name-calling.

[@johngilwins]

I’ve been studying Orthodoxy for about a year now, and I was ready to pull the trigger and convert. Thanks for making this video. This is the first video that actually comprehensively addresses the concerns with Orthodoxy and doesn’t shy away from the concerns as the early church would see them. I’ve decided to remain Baptist after watching this video. Thank you.

[@ancientpathstv]

Praise God! Have you seen our followup videos on Cyril Lucaris and the Filioque? You might also be interested in the two videos where we attempt to lovingly critique our Baptist brothers, George Whitefield's Plea to Baptists and Calvin vs. The Baptists. Lord willing, The Patristic Roots of the Reformed Faith is coming in a few months.

[@joshuaackland8976]

Don't give on Orthodoxy based on one video, I'd encourage you reading "Rock and Sand" by Fr Josiah Trenem, that would be a good argument against this one sided video. I left the Baptist a little bit ago and definitely can't go back to it's heresy.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@joshuaackland8976 We specifically refuted Trenham's lies in Rock and Sand, but instead of trying to refute our arguments, you just offer insults. If you bothered to watch our videos, you would see that we're not Baptists.

[@jaytkadv2429]

@@ancientpathstvcan’t wait for that one!

[@yeoberry]

@@johngilwins 1. The second commandment (Ex. 20:4ff) is the only commandment that explicitly describes what is prohibited: making an image and bowing to it. Doing that very thing but claiming the images are not really idols but "icons" and the bowing isn't really worship but "veneration" is disingenuous. 2. Canon 36 of the Council of Elvira states, “Pictures are not to be placed in churches, so that they do not become objects of worship and adoration.” 3. Origen (184-254) responded to Celsus by admitting that Christians used no images; he mocked the notion that images were helpful in worship, and, citing the Second Commandment wrote, “It is in consideration of these and many other such commands, that they [Christians] not only avoid temples, altars, and images, but are ready to suffer death when it is necessary, rather than debase by any such impiety the conception which they have of the Most High God.” (Origin, Contra Celsus, Book VII, Chapter 64.) 4. Eusebius (c. AD 263 - 339) wrote that even the incarnate Christ cannot appear in an image, for "the flesh which He put on for our sake … was mingled with the glory of His divinity so that the mortal part was swallowed up by Life. . . . This was the splendor that Christ revealed in the transfiguration and which cannot be captured in human art. To depict purely the human form of Christ before its transformation, on the other hand, is to break the commandment of God and to fall into pagan error." 5. Epiphanius (inter 310-320 - 403): "I went in to pray, and found there a curtain hanging on the doors of the said church, dyed and embroidered. It bore an image either of Christ or of one of the saints; I do not rightly remember whose the image was. Seeing this, and being loath that an image of a man should be hung up in Christ's church contrary to the teaching of the Scriptures, I tore it asunder and advised the custodians of the place to use it as a winding sheet for some poor person." He goes on to tell John that such images are “contrary to our religion” and to instruct the presbyter of the church that such images are “an occasion of offense.” (Epiphanius, Letter 51, chapter 9). 6. Hence we see that the "Orthodox" church radically broke away from the tradition of the early church.

[@brandonroot7848]

While I’m more Baptist leaning I’ve started going to a Presbyterian church for the similarities between the two, the history, and the high church setting. Also your videos, redeemed zoomers videos, and truth units videos have been my biggest influences lately when it comes to historic Christianity and my decision to go to a Presbyterian Church today. Still on the fence about infant baptism seeing as I have to children myself, but I do plan on going back next Sunday. Hope you do a video on the atonement that covers all of church history but keep up the hard work and don’t be dismayed by the “orthobros” 🙏

[@THISWEEKINHUMANdotcom]

I had to leave the Eastern Orthodox tradition, as i just could no longer venerate, kiss, and bow to images made by man's hand. I am anathema. This all came about when i really began questioning the interpretation of God's Law. I was Orthodox for thirteen years, and Jesus, not Mary, is my Savior. The division in Orthodoxy is just as rampant as it is 8n protestand traditions. I was baptized as Constantine, i have since taken back my name Dani-el. This video has really solidified my coming out from among her. Praise be to the only Savior and Mediator between God and man... Jesus Christ our Righteous King.

[@NoQuestionsAskedd]

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. *Revelation 2:9* You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. *Galatians 5:4*

[@b.r.holmes6365]

You clearly were not properly catechized.

[@арефнар]

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

[@ReformedBrant]

@@b.r.holmes6365 Wouldn’t that be a failing of the infallible church?

[@jeffreyAferguson]

​@b.r.holmes6365 sounds like he was though

[@EricAlHarb]

We must give honour and praise to the Theotokos and saints who are our rulers in heaven along with Christ. According to scripture!

[@EricAlHarb]

@@TheReformedCatholic Matthew 19:27-28 27 Then Peter responded and said to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?” 28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the [l]regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on [m]His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Firstly do you agree that the saints rule and judge with Christ in heaven over us? 1Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. 2Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves. 😅 and even this is poorly understood by the Protestants who reject the divine council of God. I’d like any Protestant to explain the plain meaning of these texts. They cannot has been my experience.

[@EricAlHarb]

@@TheReformedCatholic so why don’t you exegete the text and tell me, do the saints rule over you, in heaven? I’m open to an explanation that does not indicate that they rule over the faithful Since it seems to me that you interpret 12 tribes to mean the disbelieving Jews. Whilst I would say the 12 tribes are the kingdom of God and the saints rule and judge over us. And we owe them praise and honour as our rulers.

[@Apinetree123]

@@TheReformedCatholic I guess you can't respect any person you come across then. Or you'd be worshipping them.

[@EricAlHarb]

@@TheReformedCatholic do you agree that the saints rule in heaven over you along with Jesus?

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

@@TheReformedCatholic are the saints alive in Christ or you see them as dead?

[@d0g_0f_Christ0s]

I've been an Orthodox inquirer for over 3 years now. This video has helped me to revisit discrepancies I've dismissed by fabricating excuses due their religion's age. It's my stubbornness that causes my deviations from Christ alone. 'My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;' 'For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,' Amen

[@ancientpathstv]

Praise God! Please be sure to check out our followup videos on Cyril Lucaris and the Filioque. Lord willing, The Patristic Roots of the Reformed Faith is coming early next year.

[@bowrudder899]

Which Orthodox denomination is from God in Ukraine? 1. The Orthodox Church of Ukraine 2. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate 3. Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kyiv Patriarchate 4. The Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church 5. The Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church

[@kingdele01]

I thought there was just one Orthodoxy...... 😂😂😂

[@bowrudder899]

@ So did I originally. It turns out some Orthodox churches aren’t even in communion.

[@omorthon5774]

Your translation of Patriarch Kiril is faulty. At 1:23 you translate it as “Mutually Destructive”, Междоусобный or Mezhuusobnij has a connotation of “between brethren” or an internal feud between a king and a pretender to the Throne see ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Междоусобная_война_на_Руси

[@omorthon5774]

The death in war he’s speaking of has nothing to do with atonement; the point is that as Christ said “there is no greater love than to give your life for one’s friend”. The point is that if you go to war for this reason in your heart (of which only God really knows), it will count to your fulfillment of that commandment from Christ. The Christian Church is not pacifist and this coming from the Presbyterians is laughable. Your entire tradition was intimately involved in the English civil war and Scottish irredentist movements.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@toliveischrist950]

When oral traditions add or conflict with Scripture that’s a problem for me. I am justified by faith alone in the finished work of Jesus on the cross where he suffered for my sin because I was guilty and he was the perfect Lamb of God who took away my sin. By faith in his shed blood I’m washed and cleansed…forgiven. Scripture says he became sin for us (2 Corinthians 5:21.)

[@ancientpathstv]

Amen!

[@tomtemple69]

The fact that the Scriptures are God breathed means no oral traditions of humans that came after the Bible can ever supercede or conflict with the Bible...

[@one.who.fears.judgement]

What do you think of Harmony's video on Iconography, the one called "The Hidden History of Icons in the Early Church"? I've watched and I think it makes a pretty good case. It is now making me re-re-re-re-reconsider whether I should be Orthodox or not.

[@ancientpathstv]

I've seen a lot of shoddy speculation, but the facts are fairly straightforward. Even Roman Catholic scholar Fr. Richard Price admitted in his book on Second Nicaea, ". . .the iconoclast claim that reverence towards images did not go back to the golden age of the fathers [i.e., 325-451], still less to the apostles, would be judged by impartial historians today to be simply correct."

[@edmonddantes5104]

Give me a break....smh i converted from a protestant reformed tradition many year's ago to orthodox faith. That was back in 2003. Then that reformed tradition was split on minor doctrinal disagreements, now its over what is a trans and gays being legally married. Smh. I thank God im Orthodox today. Thank you Lord. Lord help those struggling to leave false denominations to find true Church in Orthodoxy Faith.

[@ancientpathstv]

Mormons also appeal to divisions among others and "bear their testimony" as a way of ignoring that their church is a lie and their gospel unbiblical. How about realizing that schism and heresy are both sins?

[@mingus444_gaming]

orthodox church never schismated though

[@mingus444_gaming]

thank goodness someone with common sense

[@edmonddantes5104]

@ancientpathstv that's fool hardy to say as any Christian should know The Mormon Organization is heretical to begin with and not Christian. Why compare apples and oranges? But the fruits of Mormonism are posion . There is no comparison. I would also point out Hank Hanagraf the Bible Answer man had all his questions answered by Holy Mother Church Orthodoxy. May you also 🙏 ☺️

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@majorian4897]

This is straight up protestant propaganda Lord have mercy on this heresy.

[@ancientpathstv]

This is straight up Eastern Orthodox evasion. 🙂 We documented our arguments. How about trying to refute them with more than name-calling?

[@majorian4897]

@@ancientpathstv Jay Dyer and David Patrick Harry will be MORE than happy to hold a public debate with you. Something tells me you wont dare go on with them to defend your position...

[@ancientpathstv]

@@majorian4897 Wrong again! I'm going on Craig Truglia's podcast Friday. I've not heard from Dyer or anyone else. If the arguments in the video are just "Protestant propaganda," shouldn't you be able to rebut them with something more than name-calling?

[@comradedick]

set up the debate... or just mock and talk @@majorian4897

[@kylemoore9997]

@@ancientpathstv First of all the Orthodox Christians have been around a lot longer than even the oldest Protestant Church's so to suggest they don't practice the faith the way the oldest Christians practice it is just false the Orthodox Church's have not changed where Protestant/Catholic Church's have changed a lot. The Catholic Church has become more like you guys with Vatican 2 even though there is still a small faction called the Saint Pious X society overall they've changed a lot allowing sexual predators in as Priest and the Protestant Church's have changed even more you have WOMEN PASTORS that is forbidden and how many Protestant Minister's are there that are greedy con artist's from the mega church's etc. Christianity of the East (Orthodox) has monasticism where as Christianity of the West (Protestant/Catholic) has corrupted Christmas into believing in a man who flies around the world once a year and you've corrupted Easter into believing in a great big bunny rabbit. You also legitimize the marriage of a man with another man and a woman with another woman. Let's also not forget the Crusades and Colonialism all done by Christianity of the West not Christianity of the East and in more recent times you guys have waged wars against Islam in the 2000's and 2010's and now your waging a war on the Orthodox Christians with your proxy war against Russia so you are in no position to talk about the (failure of Eastern Orthodox).

[@DoIoannToKnow]

now that I've shaved off my beard, and lowered my total testosterone by 200ng/dl, I think I'm ready to accept the truth and convert to the ancient faith of protestantism. Just bought my first suit and tie, and am ready to sit in the pews and listen to an exhilarating 2 hour sermon

[@ancientpathstv]

Mock all you want. There's a day of judgment coming for all of us.

[@DoIoannToKnow]

@@ancientpathstv no im good I believe in Christ so im saved. I even had my monthly cracker and grape juice 👍

[@ancientpathstv]

@@DoIoannToKnow Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:19-23

[@DoIoannToKnow]

@@TheReformedCatholic convenient to zero in on the one simple joke and dance right around the hard commentary points I made. Also you did not refute that heterodoxy is gay. Noted

[@DoIoannToKnow]

@@TheReformedCatholic keep your WASP racism in check, westoid - pierogi are Polish. you're referring to piroshki

[@kemal3599]

Hi, I have genuine questions that hopefully you can answer because it’s hard to not get lost in all these sources and conflicting arguments. 1) Regarding 24:36 is St John of Damascus’s incorrect response the only evidence for Epiphanius’s claim being inauthentic? From what I’ve heard, the first citation of these writings appeared during the Iconoclast debates, which would lead us to doubt its authenticity. 2) Also isn’t Eusebius’s quotation that you provide potentially forged too considering it seems to contradict his apparent tolerance of a venerated statue of Christ in ecclesiastical history? Also this letter was not among earlier collections of his works before the Iconoclast debates. 3) Regarding Origen, in Contra Celsius 7.64 he says Christians avoid “temples, altars, and images”. When I read this it seemed to me the obvious reading was that he meant pagan styled temples, altars, and images because we already know from other sources that churches in the 3rd century had altars and some imagery. So doesn’t it seem like Origen is talking about specific pagan practices rather than saying Christians completely avoid altars and images?

[@ancientpathstv]

Proponents of icons make all kinds of false assertions as to the evidence against them. I don't have time to demonstrate and refute all their lies, but our position isn't Protestant revisionism. Even Roman Catholic scholar, Fr. Richard Price, admits in his book on Second Nicaea, ". . .the iconoclast claim that reverence towards images did not go back to the golden age of the fathers [i.e., 325-451], still less to the apostles, would be judged by impartial historians today to be simply correct." He also admits Basil's quote that's often used refers to Jesus as the "icon" of God, not to manmade images. Price is arguably the greatest living patristic scholar. He has spent decades translating the acts of all the ecumenical councils, and he agrees with us on the issue of historicity. Roman Catholics justify Second Nicaea by Newman's "development of doctrine," but the veneration of images in the early church was overwhelmingly Gnostic, not orthodox. I hope that helps.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@MattMerdok If you'd bothered to watch the video, you'd see we address that.

[@GenericHandle54321]

I don’t know, man. Here’s my story - in as short a format as I can make it to get my point across… I grew up in a non-Christian home. I started reading the Bible and felt a strong attraction to Jesus as a young adult and committed my life to Christ while in the Navy when I was 19. I have now been a Christian for about 25 years. I raised my kids in a conservative evangelical Bible believing church. I have, for many years, felt like there was “something missing” in my faith and was skeptical that the churches I have been exposed to could provide that “missing piece” I felt was lacking. I started studying theology and church history about 15 years ago, looking for answers. I found the early reformers and ultimately reformed theology. It really seemed to check all the boxes as far as my head could understand. It seemed much more logically consistent and biblical than the dispensational, fundamentalist type theology I had always been exposed to. But as time went on and I studied and spent time online on reformed message boards, I realized that most of the people I heard talking had all their ducks in a row as far as logical, biblical arguments, and liked to debate, but they didn’t seem like deep, spiritual people. That’s not what I’m interested in. I don’t care about winning theological debates. I just want to know our triune God on a deeply personal level. While listening to a church history class online I first heard of the desert fathers and the Eastern Orthodox Church. As I looked more in to it, I felt a strong attraction. I looked into local Orthodox churches and found one near me. I contacted the priest and took him out to lunch to ask some questions and attended a couple of vespers services since I still felt connected to my own church and wanted to attend it on Sunday morning. But - although I felt strongly attracted to Orthodoxy, I couldn’t bring myself to leave my whole family community and my wife was very against becoming Orthodox as well. Plus, as a Protestant I could still make many arguments against Orthodoxy. So I just kept trudging along in my life. Fast forward to now. My kids are adults and attending churches of their own. My daughter and her husband are conservative, reformed Presbyterians. My son and his wife go to a very contemporary styled evangelical church. My wife and I moved away from the city we raised our kids in to stay closer to where our kids now live. We are still trying to find a church in our new city but it’s been a couple of years and nothing seems right so far. I can’t deny it, my heart still yearns for depth and closeness to our Lord and something inside of me (The Holy Spirit?) is still telling me I’m not going to find that soul quenching water I am wanting in any evangelical church, and probably not in any old school Protestant church either. So, my heart just keeps pushing me back to Orthodoxy. There is a LOT I don’t understand about it, and a lot of things that are very difficult for me with my spiritual and cultural background. But I’m feeling more and more like I just need to put aside my own understanding and trust in an institution that has been in the soul mending business for two millennia and let the chips fall where they may. For others that are along the path, may God grant us wisdom!

[@ancientpathstv]

Reformed soteriology has become popular in America, but sadly, it's all too often divorced from a Reformed ecclesiology and spirituality. Much of what calls itself Reformed in America is restorationist, schismatic, gnostic, and reactionary. The answer isn't to follow our feelings into the demonstrable frauds of Rome or Eastern Orthodoxy, but to embrace the fullness of the historic and Biblical faith. A message board like this is not a great forum for these kinds of discussions. If you want to give me a call next week, my number is on the church website.

[@GenericHandle54321]

@@ancientpathstv I agree. Not the best place to discuss deeper topics of the heart. I haven’t watched this video yet, but I will. I am truly just searching for truth and a path that will lead me to a closeness with God. This world is becoming more and more obviously not a place to put much hope in. I’ll check out your church website and other videos too. I appreciate the offer of a talk. I may just take you up on that!

[@GenericHandle54321]

Well, schucks. I just watched the whole video. Pretty convincing, I’ll have to say. It would be very hard for me to dive in head first into Eastern Orthodoxy after that… Maybe I’ll have to revisit my thoughts on early Protestantism… Maybe I moved past it too quickly? I’ll admit, I’m drawn by asceticism and the “other-worldliness” of Orthodox Church services, but at the same time I do recognize that ascetic practices have often been a way for people to somehow atone for themselves rather than just a way to draw closer to Jesus by retreating from the world. I guess I just wish there was more of a specific Protestant path to deep sanctification that I could be led on. I’ve been disappointed over the years with a lack of depth that I see first off, in myself, but secondly, in almost everyone around me, including people in ministry. That being said, I know it’s Christ’s righteousness alone I should look to, but still, it would be nice to have some deep sanctification that led to feelings of deep inner peace and tranquility. Christianity for me has been mostly an experience of the head, rather than of the heart, if I’m being honest. And it seems like it’s the same for pretty much every other evangelical Christian I’ve ever met. Anyway, good food for thought. I appreciate your offer for a phone conversation. I’ll most likely be in touch!

[@ancientpathstv]

@@GenericHandle54321 Thank you for the note. Be sure to check out our other videos, especially the two followup ones on Eastern Orthodoxy: Cyril Lucaris: Calvinist Patriarch/Orthodox Saint: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U Filioque: How Eastern Orthodoxy Anathematizes the Church Fathers": kzbin.info/www/bejne/a56ofnpqqdCEnJI

[@ancientpathstv]

@@GenericHandle54321 I also encourage you to read the Puritan Paperback series by Banner of Truth and Calvin's sermons.

[@jonahndungu1652]

I’ve been searching through the internet, through books, and through the scriptures for the truest form of Christianity. It’s so hard and there’s so much out there. Thank you for this resource. Thank you for especially going to primary sources instead of playing the telephone game. Thank you for hearing out the other side and not shouting curses or damnations. As someone who has been searching into Catholicism and Orthodoxy (Eastern and Oriental) as well as the different expressions of Protestantism, it has been a weary search. I’m nowhere near the end of that search but I have more fuel to the fire thanks to this video. Of the many debate and dialectic videos I’ve seen, this is without a doubt one of the greatest. Perhaps the greatest in a response to Orthodoxy (which doesn’t have much opposition at this time). May God bless you and keep you and the team that helped you make this video. I pray that you have the strength to continue to pursue the Way, the Truth, and the Life- our Lord Jesus Christ. I ask that you pray the same for me. Don’t know if you’ll see this comment but I hope you will be encouraged and continue with the channel! PS. This may be too forward of me but if you were to make a video comparing the classical branches of Protestantism (Anglican, Reformed, Lutheran, and others if any) in such depth as this video that would be much appreciated! God bless and thank you again! And to all you Orthodox, Catholics, and Protestants. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May your search for the Truth be blessed with the experience of the person of the risen Christ. I consider each of you who does the will of our Lord as my brothers and sisters. Let us pursue Christ and be filled with love for Him above all else. Let us stand together in Christ and look to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the age to come. But until that day, let us continue to fight not against flesh and blood but against the powers of darkness. God bless you all.

[@ancientpathstv]

Thank you for the kind note. Please check out our other videos on this channel, including An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics and The Atheist Illusion. If you're looking for a perfect church, God makes clear in the Scripture that you won't find it in this world, but that doesn't mean you can't find faithful churches. There is a qualitative difference between those who tremble at God's Word and those who don't. I also encourage you to watch the debate I did with the pastor of First Baptist Church of Salt Lake City. I'm not much of a debater, but I think it was made clear that as with the Pharisees of old, there are those who hide from God in religion. Remember, no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars. Stay in God's Word, on your knees, and in fellowship with His people. If I can be of assistance, contact me through www.gospelutah.org.

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@l.w.6871]

I pray God opens your eyes to the only Truth. Eastern Orthodoxy ☦️.

[@ancientpathstv]

I pray God will open your eyes to the truth in His Word. I pray you'll stop playing games and actually engage the evidence. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.

[@ivandemirevski7756]

​@@ancientpathstvhe probably didnt even watch the video.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@ivandemirevski7756 I'm seeing a lot of complaining and personal testimonies, but not a lot of engaging the evidence. The most substantive criticism I've heard is that it was supposedly "dishonest" to play a clip of Patriarch Kirill, because not everyone agrees with him. 🙂

[@SabbatarianCalvinist]

@@ivandemirevski7756he probably didn’t read his Bible either.

[@sashaabi]

@@ancientpathstv i'm from Russia and it's true that not all ortodox like patriarch, however everyday in church they have to confirm his authority in from of people and not critisize him. and i see many people from west who go to ortodox church write something that thay have Bible studies from ortodox church, however it doesnt ever happen here in Russia. never seen a ortodox preist preach on a street about repentace or invite someone to church, trying to call people to come or talk with them, or give bible. here in russia is only protestant churches who do that and ortodox priests call baptists and protestants a cult and herertics and false church. Also someone in baptist bible study told me that even in Russian Ortodox Church there are many diffrernt teaching and it's vary a lot from one priest to another. He said some even preach "saved by faith" but other ortodox say they are wrong.. i'm gonna watch the video now beceause i want to see what else is wrong with their techings and not feel shamed all the time anymore about not being in this church. And so i can have citical thinking about this propaganda

[@infidelhardcore7881]

This answered so many questions for me. What about the canon though? What do i say when they why i believe my 66 books, and what do i say when they say "so you admit God used the church to assenble the bible, but the church was apostate because of their works based salvation?"

[@charleybordelon473]

That Mark 7:5-7 verse is the exact thing wrong with the Catholic church, a Bishop that has universal authority was not how things functioned in the first millennium, it’s a man made doctrine only supported by forgeries.

[@ancientpathstv]

You might enjoy this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WscqGPaq5rebc

[@mirando100]

Honestly, Orthodox church has a lot of history but also human traditions based on fallen human minds not inspired by God.

[@enslavedbytruth]

you came to that conclusion with your fallen human mind?

[@Bobthe0strich]

@@enslavedbytruthfinally some common sense has entered the comment section

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@DCWoodWorking]

You have convinced me that orthodoxy is the true church.

[@ancientpathstv]

There's a day of judgment coming, in which the lake of fire is prepared for those who love lies.

[@bbarnaby8516]

@@ancientpathstv and you’ll be first in line

[@traditionallenses]

@@ancientpathstvheretic

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

​@@bbarnaby8516so you really think you are in the place of God??? Man orthodoxy really makes people mad

[@bbarnaby8516]

@@gabrielgabriel5177 hahaha naw we are the least judgmental Christians. ☦️

[@aiminghigh276]

Where did St. Jerome say that marroage is defilement? Do yoi have a source? Thanks.

[@ancientpathstv]

The quotes are from Against Jovinian 1.7, 20, 26

[@aiminghigh276]

@@ancientpathstv thanks already found it.

[@aiminghigh276]

@@ancientpathstv Could it be that by the "defilement of marriage" he meant not marriage but sex? It still wouldn't make sense to me, but could that be the case? The context is him talking aboit virginity.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@aiminghigh276 Yes, I believe his context was clearly virginity.

[@aiminghigh276]

@@ancientpathstv the reason the distinction between marriage and sex is important is because if St. Jerome belittles marriage (and not sex) he is automatically anathematized (see Canon 1 of Synod of Gangra: "IF any one shall condemn marriage, or abominate and condemn a woman who is a believer and devout, and sleeps with her own husband, as though she could not enter the Kingdom [of heaven] let him be anathema." A Saint who is anathematized (and not part of the Church) is a contradiction and would (in my eyes) disprove Orthodoxy. However he might get away with it if by "the defilement of marriage" he merely meant the sexual act.

[@chemnitzfan654]

You've really upset the Orthobros with this one. Expect Jay Dyer to do a 37-hour insult laden response, which won't actually address any of the issues brought up in this video.

[@GreasedDolphin]

Actually upset no one because these super old arguments have been dealt with over and over again. Yawn

[@georgemichalopulos382]

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about.

[@chemnitzfan654]

@@georgemichalopulos382 no u

[@chemnitzfan654]

@elijahg37 I agree. He knows his fans love to see him rage, though, so that's what keeps the views and money coming in.

[@andys3035]

You think Jay's content lacks actual substance? That's funny. He's got hours of material already debunking this garbage video.

[@vasiliiceb]

What do you do with the fact that St. Augustine asked the saints for intercession?

[@ancientpathstv]

No one accepts everything the fathers said; as shown in the video, especially the East. Augustine is not in accord with the Scriptures or earlier fathers on that. When fathers and ecumenical councils contradict one another, all that's left are the Scriptures. That's the standard by which we should all be corrected.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@JohnnyBegood-xi3be We use the Old Testament canon of Jerome and Athanasius that rejects the Apocrypha. We use the New Testament canon largely attested to Irenaeus in the year 180. The early church knew what came from the apostles. They didn't have to wait hundreds of years for a council to tell them. Recognizing the fact that something comes from an apostle didn't give the church authority over the Scriptures.

[@ancientpathstv]

@@halfwaydead3087 Ranting makes for poor argumentation.

[@alek27e]

The only true Church of Christ. Orthodox Church. God bless you all. ☦️

[@orwellianpepe7660]

Lies are truth?

[@ancientpathstv]

We took the time to hear Eastern Orthodox claims and engage its arguments. Like a Mormon, you ignore all the evidence and testify to what you want to be true. May God bless you with a hunger for the truth.

[@alek27e]

@@ancientpathstv Because we abide in the truth, we can never be hungry. And we drink from living water, so we can't even get thirsty...

[@ancientpathstv]

@@alek27e Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Gospel of Matthew 7:21-23

[@alek27e]

@@ancientpathstv That's a dry belief of yours. Just brandishing Bible quotes...nothing new. Goodbye.

[@tesseractbuilder]

Probably the most comprehensive video I've seen that points out the clear historical contradictions behind the doctrines of Orthodoxy. Truly divine scripture IS sufficient above all things. While I'm only an hour in while writing this comment, I inted to finish the entire second hour. Please post this video elsewhere, or allow others to post it too, because there are not enough videos discussing this subject from a historical and documented point of view. There were many great points made, but Josephus recalling no such high priest by the name of Zacheriah, but rather one called Simon, clearly show's these mythological and extra-biblical stories are not at all rooted in real eyewitness testimony, like the gospels are, but rather legends and works of fiction. Keep it up and God bless you.

[@mihaivesa7719]

THANN YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!!

[@j.johnson2190]

What’s wrong with icons? Colossians 1:15, Christ is the eikon of the Father, and who loves the Son loves the Father.

[@krishyyfan5153]

@@TheReformedCatholic and you my friend FAIL to read the old testament from cover to cover... The prophets have treated Altars made of Stone as HOLY as well as the Ark of the covenant with Angel statues in it.... Sacred objects are used very clearly in the bible...

[@ancientpathstv]

Did you watch the video?

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

@@TheReformedCatholic because in greek is the same word as it is in the text εικων

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

@@TheReformedCatholic well Jesus Christ is the εικών of God as scripture says .That is the same word in greek used for icon

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

@@TheReformedCatholic actually all the Bible is an icon if you see the life and acts of the Lord they can be also an iconography it means written by icon.

[@unit2394]

I am a confessional Lutheran, so I have a different view on some of these things. Still good overall. Hope y’all keep it up.

[@IanErickson-z2g]

I attend a LCMS church after going to various Orthodox Christian churches. Some differences, but more similarities

[@potateluver9077]

​​@@IanErickson-z2gI did the same thing. I left Rome after I could no longer affirm the contradictions and ahistoricity. I spent months examining EO traditions, beliefs, patristics and early church history, but in the end I couldn't affirm it either. I found a traditional liturgy LCMS church not far from me. The service is ad orientum, the pastor is a scholar of the early church, and much of our bible studies are in church history. I still struggle with my rejection of EO and Roman beliefs, and with my own scrupulosity, but it's getting better.

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

⁠@@potateluver9077God bless, I am a nondenominational who is seriously exploring Lutheranism.

[@arkas14]

Are we gonna see the debate with the orthodox apologist ?

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@davecorns7630]

I am protestant, after watching the video im still protestant

[@paulmoore-LPC-LMFT-NCC]

A calvinist theology (psychopathic theology) critiquing orthodoxy? No way. I wouldn’t listen to anything coming from Calvinism.

[@ancientpathstv]

We offer documented evidence, but all Eastern Orthodox seem to offer is ranting and name-calling. Loving your lies doesn't make them true.

[@paulmoore-LPC-LMFT-NCC]

@ I’m not orthodox. But Calvinism is a psychopathological theology. And I’m a survivor it’s dehumanizing and soul crushing brutality.

[@thefellowheirs]

​@@paulmoore-LPC-LMFT-NCCtwo wrongs don't make a right

[@paulmoore-LPC-LMFT-NCC]

@@thefellowheirs no comparison, whatever disagreements you have with orthodoxy, it’s not a psychopathological theology. Calvinism is inherently abusive theology.

[@thefellowheirs]

@@paulmoore-LPC-LMFT-NCC there's a lot of "we are the true church" teaching though. And strict explicit quotes from orthodox church leaders teaching salvation is only in the true church. So that gets dicy. But agreed. Calvanism is a terrible twist and unnecessary interpretation that's not in scripture

[@jep6752]

How about those voice actors...

[@scottforesman7968]

St Gregory Palamas: "Man was led into his captivity when he experienced God's wrath, this wrath being the good God's just abandonment of man. God had to be reconciled with the human race, for otherwise mankind could not be set free from the servitude. A sacrifice was needed to reconcile the Father on high with us and to sanctify us, since we had been soiled by fellowship with the evil one. There had to be a sacrifice which both cleansed and was clean, and a purified and sinless priest"

[@imaginedreamingofficial3432]

In my observation, all Calvinists do is criticize anyone who is not a Calvinist. They really act as if they are the top of the food chain. Yes, there are some fine theological minds, but way too much criticism for those who are not reformed. Maybe instead of "critiquing " everyone whom you have disagreements with, focus on works of mercy and love. In my observation, those who are reformed really lack in this area, and would rather just have knowledge. I believe it was R.C. Sproul Jr. who said something along the lines of this... If you are looking for the best theological minds, look to the reformed, but if you are looking for works of mercy, dont look here. He was humble enough to recognize that very issue,

[@ancientpathstv]

Demonizing people makes a poor excuse for answering their arguments.

[@johnathanbrown1035]

Are performing works of mercy and love mutually exclusive with proclaiming truth? Ironically, I think you are unfairly attributing a lot to Calvinists which is critical, harsh, and unloving.

[@apo.7898]

@@johnathanbrown1035 Do you attribute anything to Mormons or JWs?

[@johnathanbrown1035]

@@apo.7898 False beliefs.

[@apo.7898]

@@johnathanbrown1035 This what we attribute to Calvinists too.

[@bradleymarshall5489]

We are not entitled to such licence, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings -Gregory of Nyssa All who ask receive, those who seek find, and to those who knock it shall be opened. Therefore, let us knock at the beautiful garden of Scripture. It is fragrant, sweet, and blooming with various sounds of spiritual and divinely inspired birds. They sing all around our ears, capture our hearts, comfort the mourners, pacify the angry, and fill us with everlasting joy. -John of Damascus The Holy and Inspired Scriptures are sufficient of themselves for the preaching of the Truth. -Athanasius of Alexandria We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith -Irenaeus of Lyons And let them remember that prayer should accompany the reading of Sacred Scripture, so that God and man may talk together; for "we speak to Him when we pray; we hear Him when we read the divine saying." -Ambrose Make knowledge of the Scripture your love ... Live with them, meditate on them, make them the sole object of your knowledge and inquiries. -Jerome We need not only read Sacred Scripture, but learn it as well and grow up in it. Realize that nothing is written in Scripture unnecessarily. Not to read Sacred Scripture is a great evil. -Saint Basil Whoever you may be, always have God before your eyes; whatever you do, do it according to the testimony of the holy Scriptures; in whatever place you live, do not easily leave it. Keep these three precepts and you will be saved. -Anthony the Great

[@ancientpathstv]

Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0c4xoobWKi8U

[@bairfreedom]

"If you reject the icon, or if you deny the depictability of Christ you are denying the truth of the incarnation" Wild stuff right......yet here I am not denying the truth of the incarnation.

[@thebestSteven]

It really is some galaxy brain logic. "You won't draw a picture of my cat because you've never actually seen it in person, therefore you deny the existence of my cat."