The Failure of Payday 3

After highly anticipated launch and loads of hype Payday 3 releases to a rude awakening as servers crash and the game is always online unlike it's predecessor. A sharp downturn in player numbers follows, leading to a barely active player base : what and why Payday 3 failed?!
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Timestamps :
00:00 - Start
02:56 - Failure in Gameplay
05:00 - Failure in Progression
07:35 - Failure in Games as Service
09:01 - Failure to have OFFLINE mode
16:01 - Conclusion
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[@thebluehat6814]

Payday 3 is especially upsetting to long time fans. People expected payday (a universally known arcadey co-op game) 3, but what they got instead was a modern default game as a service shooter.

[@henrynagel7175]

Uh the devs explained pre-launch how they wanted to make a more grounded experience than payday 2.

[@thebluehat6814]

@@henrynagel7175 haha, yeah. Except that we didn't expect it to be so grounded that it'd be a carbon copy shooter though!

[@Skilow]

@@thebluehat6814 The shooter aspect wasn't bad though, it came back to their roots of the first payday game, the issue was that everything else about the game sucked, enemies were tanky, unlike the first game, armor mechanic was broken, stealth was very cheesy and boring, and the guns ended up feeling largely the same even with their minor stat variations. And god don't get me started of the mistake that was their progression system.

[@daddydallas4789]

@@henrynagel7175 My input as a player who has been playing the previous 2 games since 2012: I also appreciate the approach to make the game more grounded. But my great criticism is that the 3rd game lacks personality. It feels very bland, has no variety, it all is just very dull.

[@henrynagel7175]

@@daddydallas4789 agree somewhat, I feel that it just needs some time to grow and will have a much better personality when we’re in 2024.

[@lightinvader892]

1 month later, the game on Steam has about 800 players a day.

[@ApolloAugustus]

Really?

[@lightinvader892]

@Orpheus774 Yeah, it's dying and they are calling upon the community to help them fix it XD

[@ApolloAugustus]

@@lightinvader892 Do you like this game?

[@lightinvader892]

@Orpheus774 I loved the payday series. I've played through pd:th and pd 2 but pd3 was suckered. Punch to the gut for me because I was one of the pre-order people on ps5 and just got the worst experience ever. I'll be back in 3 years if they haven't dropped the development of the game.

[@sheepfly]

Good

[@GTAVictor9128]

15:29 - From what I remember, it works the same way in Payday 2. Only the host needs to have the DLC, and other players can join in and play DLC missions that they wouldn't be able to play by themselves. And this actually had the added bonus of keeping the playerbase unified rather than fracturing it, which ensured finding players for DLC missions wasn't an issue.

[@swag_katt3096]

One big difference though was that PD2 had crime net meaning you could join ANYONE who had the heist whereas for PD3 you need to know someone with the dlc or ask on a discord for a partner

[@gordoterremotanquederaviol7289]

only for playing the maps, DLC for weapons and perks are still locked

[@helpmombeatsme9260]

Honestly wish you mentioned the worst part of payday 3 the online play. There is no world where no server browsing was a good idea, we can already see the issues on how the game handles matchmaking as it takes forever to find a game and when you do your stuck choosing between stealth and loud with players that really shouldn't be there. No pre game chat to decide between stealth and loud, no staying after a heist to form comraderie nope just get booted right back to the title screen. It's exactly like cod but worse because at least in cod you can talk to people in payday 3 voice chat was to complicated so they decided not to put it in or some other asinine reason. Then comes the DLC where the public matchmaking button just shouldn't exist since now you can't play with those that don't have the DLC. This completely screws matchmaking as only those that have bought the DLC can matchmake in public this will completely divide the community as now all those gamepass players that were bolstering the matchmaking for better or worse can now no longer join making future DLC public matchmaking a ghost town.

[@TheFondalizer]

Everyone should know that if your nebula account runs into a bug all your data is lost. Bug support will likely never get back to you. The devs are cowards and won't even mention this problem. Some people have been unable to play since day 1 because of this and it can happen to you at any point. So never sign out your nebula or mess with it unless necessary. I was close to lvl100 but after losing my data I will never play this waste of time again. I'll continue playing good games that respect the players time and wants to make a great game. They didn't care about either

[@someguy6152]

So after checking Steam Charts, Payday 3's 24h peak is 1400, in comparison, Payday 2 is 44000, Jesus, I've never seen a sequel get so much worse that no one wants to play it. The only thing that I find better is the Stealth, which becomes completely pointless with the shit leveling system throught achievement, which 90% is loud.

[@xthijsbos6811]

Trashtalk the new level System is good theres no speedlevel anymore

[@smokewheat-xr1xg]

I wish they would handle the series like counter strike does. Stop trying to invent the wheel from scratch, just give us more of the ever working formula. Update visuals, add new heists, that's all I personally need.

[@nobletenshi7659]

Piracy part is so true.. I was going to pirate Starfield because Greedthesda doesnt respect us Aussies. they wanted overpriced $120 for that poc. Except I didnt pirate it cause its hollow shit. Not worth my time to even pirate it.

[@dusathemaid]

Wanna know the best part? Payday 3 still got cracked, lol

[@Jocken75]

I say piracy is not good. Imagine you would not get paid for the work you have done. Or would you steal a car or food?

[@henrynagel7175]

@@Jocken75but it’s Bethesda so fuck them

[@TheFondalizer]

​@@Jocken75Devs already got paid for the hours they worked. The suits don't need more money because they sure as hell aren't giving any more of it down. Barely any blue collar worker gets a bonus for doing well or making more money for the company. All they get is overworked and there regular pay. You pirating the game or paying for it will change nothing. The greedy will stay greedy so just enjoy the free games

[@nobletenshi7659]

@@Jocken75 Its a different story when you kno they're being disingenurine.

[@SergeantGibby]

If they add in Crimenet and offline mode it will solve most of the issues people have with the game the simple fact the game doesn’t have those features and brain dead AI is why the game is struggling to have more than a few thousand people online on all platforms combined.

[@dollface2907]

whats funny is in payday 2 i was comfortable playing veryhard / overkill sometimes because the ai are relable... in PD3 im having to babysit them from snipers and in my person opinion adding all the enemies on lower difficulty was a bad idea, also sort of a kick in the dick that you get basically nothing unless getting all the bags now

[@scorake14]

there is an offline solo mode, its been there from the start there was just the server issues that was fixed within the first week of the game being released, you can very easily go and play the game solo now

[@BrandonHolderDaNewb]

Back when Payday 3 had the open beta, I installed it to find I needed to make an account last minute on the main menu to play. It took me over a week to even receive the email. What a miracle in disguise that was. As of this comment I chuckled comparing the stats between PD2 and PD3. Payday 2 has 33 thousand players in the last 24 hours, with Payday 3 barely managing 700. Even the record highs were 25% of what Payday 2 had.

[@JoshNicotine]

This game is literally a prime example of how not to handle a game post release, they might’ve been able to salvage some players back if they weren’t such obvious money grabbing scumbags

[@ampa-3612]

I honestly wish Payday 3 was a good game. It just feels too much like CoD to me for me to enjoy it, plus all the problems with the game regarding progression, always online, balance, and others.

[@CHZBUGU]

Progression was fixed

[@scorake14]

yea and cod is trash and has been for a while, meanwhile this game is essentially the same as payday 2's release all those years ago but with more content

[@christianjohnson2275]

@@CHZBUGUno it wasn’t lol

[@Hoovy-SV]

After playing payday2 since first week of release and earning 100% achievement just a few days before the stress test beta of Payday3 with 1k+ hours, i just can't understand how they could have fucked this, it was SO EASY to make the same thing but better looking, BUT NOT, they had to reinvent the wheel and create wonderful features such as "lag when playing alone". When they were not one, but both feet into bankruptcy, they said "we're very sorry but we're breaking our oath of free dlc to survive.." and the community said "OK, no problem, we'll pull through we want to see the next game" so we bought the DLCs, which were at first just a bunch reused assets that could earn them a nobel prize for recycling, and then they made increasingly better content and we were actually pretty golded ! then they said "Ok people we're back in the game and we're working on Payday3", we thought that we did it, we helped with our wallet and we deserve it ! And then.. this.., this game is not only extremely disappointing, its a pure backstab and betrayal. On payday2 we were a community that got quality, and on payday3 we're apparently being seen as cow you can milk, and it's only gonna get worse from here, since there will be the dreaded MTX.. I predict the game will go free with the standard F2P formula of good looking cosmetics and even weapon attachment behind a paywall, with battlepass and perhaps even lootchest.. And I predict me and everyone else will get the fuck out, and since it's an online service, once they pull the plug, the game will be unavailable to play of course.

[@scorake14]

yea you clearly didnt play payday 2 on release, cause if that was true you would know just how much payday 2 was lacking, alot of quality of life changes that we are now so used to in payday 2, and ALOT of the content in payday 2 was adding much later on, years after payday 2's release. Payday 3 already has more content then payday 2 did on release.

[@sheepfly]

​@@scorake14payday 3 is not competing with payday 2 at launch, don't you get it?

[@nicholassorensen9035]

@@scorake14you’re the problem.

[@konfigpl8726]

I have 600H in PD2 and I remember many changes that hey made to the game to make it better, just to play PD3 and see all those lessons forgotten. Also I strongly recommend you to play more of PD2 to see how much bs the new armor system is and how the gun customization is an absolute joke. And you didn't talk about guns blooming change which everyone can agree that it bs(4:22). Overall amazing video please comeback later and make an update to your view on the game as a new player to PD2 franchise

[@TheYamiks]

about specifics in "gameplay" part : i tried to not delve too deep on this matter as it pertty much was already overshadowed by offline mode stuff. I do see what people mean with bloom stuff ..AND OTHER parts.

[@konfigpl8726]

@@TheYamiks Bloom is the longer you continuously fire, the more inaccurate your gun is, regardless of if you ADS. This forces players to single-tap/burst to hit anything at a distance. Factor in damage fall-off, and this is why killing anything at a distance is a joke, or anything up close as your bullets literally fire around the target, f.e(4:22). Btw this does not happen in PD2 as it does not have blooming.

[@noobguy9973]

@@konfigpl8726 funny thing is if you want to nerf full auto like that just do what Counter Strike does and increase the weapon spray pattern the longer you shoot. I still wonder why many games don't do this it makes it so single, burst and full auto has a place in the gameplay while getting rid of stuff like prefire metas though it does slow down the gameplay and can be frustrating if it isn't a small 5v5 tactical shooter and more of a 4v50 arcade shooter like in payday.

[@konfigpl8726]

@@noobguy9973 I agree but we are talking about a solo/coop game against bots, and I did download a that give me 100% accuracy and its much better, but the fact that I need a mod to improve the foundation of the game is a joke to me, and most people dont know that they can do this for they are on console.

[@noobguy9973]

@@konfigpl8726 yeah like ı said at the end of my original comment it probably won't work for a coop horde shooter

[@eddyfuzzy5]

All roads lead to Yamiks. Once again I find myself stumbling upon another video made by the legend.

[@Redslayer86]

I was interested in Payday 3, but then I heard it was always online, and moved on.

[@Indyofthedead]

It’s my personal opinion that Xbox lost the console war in the Xbox One era because they built everything on trying to prevent piracy. Trying to prevent piracy instead of addressing the problems that drive people to piracy is like cutting off your foot because you keep stubbing your toe on an awkwardly placed piece of furniture, than just moving the furniture. It doesn’t surprise me that Payday 3 is failing after you mentioned the developer was purchased by another company: aka, a publicly traded company. The decline of any successful company always comes because of share holders refusing to take any risks and implementing idiotic policies because they’re out of touch with reality, or just don’t know or care about the industry they’re buying stock in. LLC just means Losers Lacking Creativity.

[@bobmigarski283]

If they got rid of the login requirement(at least on console) the player count would go up ten fold, easily. Since it is on gamepass people will try it but when you download it and the first thing you see is that you need to make a third party account for something you may or may not like it is an instant uninstall.

[@semkok7759]

That was straight up me. I saw that and really wanted to say screw but I thought the game would awesome with more content than payday 2. Played it one game realized how cheap and lack of content there is I deleted it

[@bundlesofjoe]

They need to add a public play test server or an expirental build option. To let us test out things and give feedback prior to update roll outs. Saves them the time of fixing things they made worse or didnt improve as intended after more people have a chance to really test it out like they are doing now. This will speed up how quickly they can put out new mechanics and fixes to the existing issues as that would be one team, where a seperate team is working on new major content. Yes it splits up the player base, but it allows for faster improvement of the game which it needs to agoid dying before it can see its true potential. The base is good, they just need to tweek what they already have and get it running well to improve the feel of the gameplay loop, then the lack of content wont be as big of an issue.

[@sassysaddles9981]

i ll always remember actman shilling this game

[@AspenHardy567]

One of the many things that keep me with payday 3 is the graphics, I’m not sure what does it, but payday 2 does not only kill my eyes, but places concrete shoes on them. Until my eyes stop hurting from the yellow mist and overload of tinnitus I will play payday 3.

[@TheRealSeryi]

The most amusing part of their "stated reasons" for switching to GAAS, the cheating and piracy, has already happened. People in Payday 3 lobbies are already cheating in various ways (saw a guy just a while ago with an instant lockpicking mod on in a lobby), and I'm pretty sure people with creamAPI are still able to unlock DLCs since a lot of it is still handled through the Steam frontend, or at least it's easy enough that a simple flag change can give access to DLCs. So what we're left with is just an overall inferior game to Payday 2 without the benefit to play solo if you just really like the gameplay, or host your own lobbies where you have complete control over what happens in it (you can't even votekick people in Payday 3 right now, to my knowledge). Big, fat, Overkill and Starbreeze L.

[@PragmaticTornado]

Long time fan of the franchise since the first one. Haven't bought this one, and I will not until they implement offline play for solo games.

[@scorake14]

there already is offline play and solo games, there has been since they fixed the server issues after the first week of its release, stop looking at old false reviews of the game, if you really are a long time fan, play the game and see for yourself, or at the very least get the 14 day free trial of the xbox game pass and give it a free try and see for yourself, i only played payday 3 solo, so yes there is offline play for solo games

[@junebug5559]

​@@scorake14 so they had to fix server issues to allow people to play without connecting to a server? Doesn't sound very offline to me.

[@sheepfly]

​@@scorake14😂😂😂😂😂

[@Shkilgus]

The simple reason payday 3 isn’t a payday successor is that it just isn’t payday

[@shoutingstone]

I'm part of a small LAN group that basically formed around Payday 2, and while we've not played it for years now we were all very excited for Payday 3. On seeing it not one of us bought it

[@Crusader316]

Lan group? That sounds so familiar but whats that

[@shoutingstone]

@@Crusader316 it's where we all pile round to a mates garage, hook our PCs and laptops up and play together in the same room with beer and pizza. LAN = Local Area Network

[@Crusader316]

@@shoutingstone reminds me when me and my friends gathered to play halo 2 on the OG xbox

[@chocolate_bubbs]

They had the nerve to nerf armor when its the only meta. Rip loud until combat update.

[@JustSippingTea]

Its been 2 months and nothing to my knowledge has changed, and one of the biggest disappointments for PD3 is the sheer amount of needless changes -armor basically replaced health (no armor and you just die) -difficulty wasnt more enmies but just bullet spongy enemies and more damage received -gun play is somehow significantly worse -lack of weapon diversity (all rifles feel the same, shot guns feel samey, 1 sniper) -less masks -no QOL in almost any regard -no offline mode

[@tobytyler524]

Stealth difficulty was just more cameras, more guards......and somehow for little loot.......not that there is anything worth buying with the money

[@HypnoticChronic1]

Having been a big fan of PD2 it depressed me to no end when PD3 effectively shit the bed, the sad part about it is I was super excited to hear they were making another PD a couple years back, at that point in time I figured PD2 was gonna be the last given the financial troubles. Alas tho to see PD3 had no offline mode effectively killed any interest I had in it, its what made PD2 such a gem in a shit storm of always online games that are shoved down our collective throats at nauseam. I do take some issue with your praise for Paradox tho, especially when it comes to fundamental flaws in their games, having played Cities: Skylines for a number of years myself and my fellow players will tell you after nearly a decade they never once bothered to fix the traffic issues in that game, despite it being one of the most harped on and universally despised aspects of that game by the player base and something Paradox knew full well it existed. The only saving grace for the PC community was the modding community stepping up to the plate to fix the problem that Paradox never lifted a finger to address however, this left the console community high and dry to deal with the problem alone, which isn't the fault of the modders mind you by any means and falls squarely in the lap of Paradox. The worst part is despite all the dlc dropped for that game Paradox never once offered a effective solution for dealing with the problem, a problem which was apparently quite easily solvable given that modders were able to figure it out and that tells me Paradox should have easily been able to as well, but never even remotely bothered to and from what I've gathered it is apparently still a issue in the sequel as well and I don't know what excuse they can possibly pull out of their ass now after failing for a second time on that front.

[@BungieStudios]

I can't speak for the live service aspects, as I haven't played Payday 3, but what prevented me from purchasing it is that it didn't look too different from Payday 2. It looked similar both gameplay-wise and graphically. So I saw no need to spend the money for what I already owned. It ended up working out for me in hindsight.

[@BungieStudios]

Some features I might include in Payday 3, had I been in charge (maybe, just maybe, give or take, one or the other): Vehicle integration like ability to run away on rails or move to another location. Ability to move to different locations similar to Insurgency Sandstorm or Hoxton Breakout. Improved VR support as an option. Improved LAN and offline support. Mod tools to edit hardcoded items for Workshop support. DLC is still purchased but can be modded client-side. Graphical improvements. Gore, gibs, and dismemberment. Ability to carry or manhandle hostages (which was implemented). Just some thoughts and suggestions to be fair with my own criticism.

[@noobguy9973]

ı would argue the progression is the biggest problem more so that the lack off offline mode and this is coming from a guy who's half of his time in payday 2 were in offline mode. But yeah all of these are problems that need to be addressed but hey at least they can make it better right? payday 2 had big problems once upon a time yet it always persisted.

[@TheGoon243]

“GET ON THE GOD DAMN GROUND!”

[@TelosBudo]

Great vid

[@schlobster3929]

I just can’t get over how great the guns felt in payday 2 compared to 2, 2 had identity, they felt unique and satisfying, Payday 3 guns feel so ridiculously generic, I can’t use them without getting bored

[@ZzVinniezZ]

3 is not what the 2nd game is known for. PD3 feel like a different game compare to PD2. it just missed alot of marks who gonna guess that they will go back make more weapons DLC for PD2? with under 700 players for PD3 i got a feeling that they will go back to update PD2

[@justmede]

Don't forget that being a company that met a bunch of problems at the launch of Payday 3. They release DLC for half the price of the game itself with one map that goes faster than normal maps.

[@hugodscm]

Yeah, it’s numb how game developers these days forgot how the public thinks. I mean, just attend the demand and people will spend money. They always try to change the basic and fuck it up.

[@kylehc15]

well the third doesnt have vr support like 2 did which sucks

[@madmonty4761]

Its funny you say that since the first dlc was shown

[@Creamagination]

Oh shit, mīļākais kartupeļu ēdājs posted new video

[@TheYamiks]

oi... tupenis labs!

[@littlejam5984]

When I heard that Payday 3 is gonna be Crossplay and on Console I was slightly surprised and happy because the Console Version of Payday 2 was a rather flawed release with missing DLC and Stuff but it was still fun on Xbox One and PS4 we just gonna ignore the Last Gen Version of this Game

[@YouLikeBosch]

I remember the day they announced that Payday 3 was rumored to be a live service endeavor, and I lost all hype. Payday 2 had its share of problems, too, mainly shitty peer-to-peer connections and losing sometimes over an hour of effort to the host's shitty WiFi, and then there's the small fortune it costs to buy the DLC. I think Payday 3 was operating under the assumption that the longevity seen by Payday 2 and its cult following would simply translate to Payday 3 on day one, but the gaming industry in 2013 was unrecognizable by comparison to today's. The classic studio response of shifting blame from themselves to players has been so overdone, players are wising up and rightly rejecting games outright. It sucks that this, in turn, means layoffs, but the industry needs correction from COVID, and from a decade of abuses by comfortable executives being showered with cash for little effort. AI is coming, and it should automate CEOs for pile of shit products like Payday 3.

[@Ser-Vex131]

I don't think the devs realise that online only games get pirated into either PC based servers or a privately set up server.

[@Noriaty]

funny how a month ago there was an avg of 2k people and now there 200-300 xd

[@TheYamiks]

it's rather fucking GRIM.. but a word "funny" also works

[@MrGrimsmith]

One bit you missed is that (and this is my usual gripe here) by focusing on the new and shiny shit such as DLSS and support for the *ludicrously loud* 4K minority they made the damn thing nigh on unplayable for anyone on last gen or earlier hardware. Add in to that the slowdown of gameplay and tweaks to mechanics it just isn't as fun. The always online isn't a deal breaker for me but I can't help but see it as a bad decision, as you said.

[@TheYamiks]

....you ... you do know that DLSS is not produced by the devs. all of these up-sampling methods are often at most 1-2 days work for single developer (usually, but if you want to be generous say a week). I'm playing on relatively low power CPU that bottlenecks the fuck out of any game and thou there are kinks, optimization oddly is passable on fist glance unlike a looot of other this year's fresh released games. I'm smelling bullshit in your statements... so why not provide some context : what rig are you using, specs...anything?!

[@MrGrimsmith]

@@TheYamiks I'm running an R7 3600X and RX580, 32 GB system RAM all SSD (half nVME and half SATA) Windows 11. Main monitor is 3840 x 1080. Upgrading GPU in a few weeks but solid CPU, potato GPU. DLSS isn't produced by the devs but the implementation most definitely IS. Any time spent on that (the 1-2 days you mention? How many people? Convert it to man hours and it's usually a lot more than you think) is time that could potentially have been better spent elsewhere. Optimisation is better than many but it still ain't great, I can run it at low settings and it's reasonable (20-45 FPS). My friends trying to run it on significantly newer GPUs get an absolute slideshow. 3060 and 3080 say "No!" and I'm still trying to troubleshoot why but they aren't isolated examples. Those couple of days for 4K and DLSS might have solved that. OK, it's a pet peeve as I still see little point to that shite, especially as pretty much everything is both a console and PC release but that's time that could possibly have been better spent elsewhere. Hell, imagine if the Starfield patch was bug and quest fixes rather than DLSS and 4K support? :O

[@TheYamiks]

I see. Funnily nuff I got very similar (near spec-to-spec) VR PC like that. See Blaming DLSS of all things for game's performance or choice to implement is ludicrous. Also speculating that all this up-tick in visuals was done to hit the 4k community also is bat-shit insane. Fundamentally game developers usually try to target the upper-mid market with recommended specs and then boosting some visuals to hit the high-end. Releasing low-grade, visual wise, game simply would be mocked and laughed at hard + better graphics DO SELL games. Today GTX1060 and RX580 are now considered a low-tier hardwere, where it was once lower-mid-tier about 5 years back. I too often forget how quickly tech moves... like 5years back my RTX2080TI was top of the line.. now it's at best upper-mid-tier.

[@PragmaticTornado]

You would have developers create textures that cap out at what, 2K resolution? Implementing optional 4K/8K textures doesn't hurt people with 1080p displays, except maybe upping the storage requirements (which could also be solved by having high res textures be an optional, free DLC). Not implementing textures to the current standard will however, hurt everyone capable of using them. And in case you are not aware, about 70% of gamers run an Nvidia card of some sort, most of which support at least DLSS2. In other words, hardly a wasted effort. There are many reasons to dislike Payday 3, but them following the industry standards of resolution and graphics tech implementation is simply not one of them.

[@jacobsweeney9463]

It just needs time but its necessarily doesn't have the time

[@yoga5631]

I hate how people defend it by saying payday 2 is also shit when it was launch... Yet thats the thing how can you fuck up twice??? You have about 12 years to learn what make payday 2 ticks yet you still fuck up a launch

[@theonlywindowmaker]

I traded this game for Hitman 3 on launch day, and it was the best decision I've made in a while

[@fgcmiloboyyo1550]

Bruh I just found out about Payday 3 from this vid

[@Wazabiii69]

Quite expensive taking into account the fact that pay day 2 is much cheaper and enterntainig

[@fuckinmoron3230]

I enjoyed it almost as much as i enjoyed payday 2, early missions are just looter shooters, later missions are a bit complex (enjoyably so) but the enemies turn into bullet sponges? (Not enjoyable)

[@whendarknessfalls6969]

Overkill is Starbreeze.

[@neonsamurai1348]

It sadly was another one of these garbage live service games, with too little content on release, and too much monetization. Plus they clearly did not learn from the successes and failures of Payday 2. But honestly I think it was Deep Silver's fault. Starbreeze/Overkill had clearly planned for it to be an offline game, it was even found in the code, but Deep Silver probably forced them to make another live service disaster, as those worked so well for Deep Silver's other recently published games, like Saints Row...

[@TheYamiks]

As I pondered in this video : i think they learned the WRONG lessons.

[@antynomity]

It has 0 monetisation at launch.

[@n4gmadam]

PD2 had too little content on release as they gradually added new DLC (Same way they're doing for PD3), also there was zero monetization at launch. What is your point.

[@Maruhodo]

@@n4gmadam well i mean, they have learnt from PD2, do they really need to re-learn all those things again just to piss off die-hard fans? that's his point in case you're dense.

[@scorake14]

@@n4gmadam exactly dude! @Maruhodo, thats a terrible point, cause literally 99% of games nowadays are released and then more content is added on to it with updates, hell you still have GTAV content being added despite the fact that GTA6 is round the corner, so thats not a point

[@Hunter1393B]

I wasnt paying attention to payday 3 since my country is pretty poor a d i knew i wasnt going to buy it, that being said how progretion is handled sounds a whole lot like payday the heist(the original that started it all) probably if payday 2 went in the direction 3 is going now history would be much different, but most players stuck forcthe gameplay of 2 and sure would be jarring to find a pd:th esque gameplay, then again i havent played the game but for the looks of this description thats what i think as a payday veteran

[@Talulah_Artorius]

You completely missed something that is still an issue 2 months after your video... Lack of communication options, console players not only can't type in chat, the can't even see it... Now gl trying to setup a party when no one can communicate with everyone and all it takes is one person wanting to go loud to mess things up

[@gamerwits4329]

I cant find the Act Man

[@TheYamiks]

Yea.. he was very positive. Thou you can understand his perspectuive too at the time

[@parallaxninja456]

played it some, honestly had zero fun replayability

[@SuperGo4]

6:09 thats what she said

[@GameHunterDeathhunter]

Payday 2 was such a big Lightning in a bottle after 3 games starbreeze continues to fail and somehow not notice their failures and keep making similar mistakes

[@That_0ne_Dev]

I do hope Payday 3 gets what Cyberpunk got an gets essentially "re-released"

[@pkpurpledope]

Not gonna happen keep dreaming

[@VexingWeeb]

11:50 cheating was kiiinda a big thing. there was a cheater in like 1/4 of my games all the time. Now, i feel they ruin the game, they make the game absolutely boring af. BUT. strong BUT. its a horrible excuse for there not to be an offline mode because there was an option for, if you were hosting, to auto kick modders/cheaters from your game. so they could've easily put that in payday 3.

[@Magonalgon999]

Movement and it doesnt have as much content as pd2 which is normal

[@bizz7612]

I just can't get past how PayDay 1 and 2 shove the camera in too your chest. I know it's a really stupid and small thing, but it peeves me constantly.

[@E-102a]

As a former die hard PAYDAY fan who put thousands of hours into both PDTH and PAYDAY 2, I bailed as soon as I saw PAYDAY 3 gameplay as well as the announcement of microtransactions. It “evolved” the gameplay into something way too generic without keeping any of the insanely janky but in depth charm of PAYDAY 2, as well as not even including the notorious difficulty of DSOD or Overkill 145+ even on the max difficulty. The final nail in the coffin though is the Devs absolutely refusing to believe that PAYDAY 3 is mediocre. They completely ditched the community driven and social atmosphere they had once had and became much more corporate, just like the gameplay. All and all, I hope PAYDAY 3 never makes a comeback, call me a bitter individual but I honestly dislike the PAYDAY content creators that I used to love becoming mindless spokespersons for the new style of game, as well as the devs that claim to be paying attention to what the fans want.

[@NodokaHanamura]

Guys, the Yamiks. Go watch it.

[@revolverocelot3741]

Payday 🌳

[@Happyland_Motel_Gamer_Cat]

Here is the answer -"Industry standards"

[@reidwallace4258]

I have never lost respect for somebody faster than hearing you PRAISE the fuckin paradox business model. Micro transactions and games as services suck dick, but their shit is just fuckin its own kinda greedy gross bullshit. Crazy idea, maybe devs should make products that stand on their own? Rather than going down any of these 'fix it in post' style development paths?

[@NatsumeKonno]

Payday 3 is barely holding 200players as of now.

[@liameyles1450]

was actuality looking forward to this game my mistake

[@zenosama8671]

I am high level but I think I take long time to level up that sh is killing me

[@scorake14]

took me 14 days to get to level 70+ i dunno what you are on about

[@zenosama8671]

@@scorake14i am level 130 but is taking allot level up Does not matter cause I do not play anymore

[@xthijsbos6811]

I reached level 150 without the new level System. The new System is easy you can do 15-20 level in one day

[@tobytyler524]

I honestly think Payday 3 is the last nail in the coffin for me. Too many devs are taking good games and making them trash by changing everything fhat was good about them. Instread of sticking with what works and releasing new games to see whats innovative and whats trash. They just take successful games, try to reinvent them and just make them suck. COD, Assassins Creed, Saints Row, now Payday. None of the devs seem to understand what their roots are and what made them great. Tired of wasting money on trash.

[@themrlupo3591]

Wasn’t Payday 2 a massive failure at first

[@chaosheaven23]

As someone who was there, I would say that the onl problem PD2 had on release was a mere lack of content, which, to me, means the game was so good everybody just wanted *more* of it, lol.

[@sheepfly]

Nope

[@ManiVEVO]

wanna play raid ww2?

[@GibbsDLC]

So the only people who got Payday were the devs. 🤷‍♂

[@dexthecelestial]

i love u we both play same typa games ;3

[@itzJuztThomas]

The forced grind killed it for me. I'll happily waste my own time all day, but I ain't up for being forced into it. Not for a worse game than the previous one.

[@DoktorVicTim]

Heck, despite the piracy of Payday 2 DLC, they STILL made them a lot of money

[@Golden_Ghoul]

How can you go from a somewhat masterpiece to this horrible excuse of a AAA game?

[@68Fourty72]

Back in 2014 I was part of a small group that played Payday 2, one friend stopped playing Payday 2 when they released loot crates.

[@scorake14]

yea you can get and open those for free

[@neoconker2k8]

Payday is imo the worst game launch in my memory. And to hear they are already working on a D&D game when they haven't even done ANYTHING for Payday 3 makes me want to forget Payday 3 exists and just play Payday 2 when I get the robbery itch.

[@revan5293]

Cyberpunk?

[@henrynagel7175]

“Haven’t done anything”, my brother in Christ we’re almost on update three already

[@neoconker2k8]

@@henrynagel7175 These updates are FIXING their broken launch ....

[@scorake14]

@@neoconker2k8 there was nothing broken about the launch apart from the server issues which they fixed in a week, now its all new stuff added and there is more content then payday 2 had at launch, and worst game launch in your memory? what are you 4?? No man's sky, easy answer, and frankly the game is STILL no where near what it was originally promised to be like

[@JeremyThanaparamy]

#game #lesson #slow

[@davidmurphy7332]

Worried about piracy when you launch day one on Game Pass on console and PC?! I mean, I know pirates are thrifty, but they're not THAT cheap

[@mysteries_117]

It's probably not a good idea when the Payday knockoff feels more polished Payday 3 is fine. And I wish it's fixed better. Like Payday 2 was

[@xthijsbos6811]

Payday 2 was full of meta Problems 🤣 this game was so easy

[@airyshark324]

Honestly they pulled a cod imo made the game worse by trying to make it better and Jesus man I will never get over no offline idc if they add if tmr or 1min after this comment I paid 60$ for a game an can only play 8 min tutorial just bec I don’t pay 15$/25$ a month to play online when i already pay for internet to play online pheww man gaming what a hobby

[@BicirikBey]

2:45 Tbh that number is probably 5k because there is the Steam players, gamepass players, XBOX players and Playstation players. 4:45 If you think Payday 3 is slow check out Payday: The Heist. Slow as fuck bro.

[@RacismBadd]

crazy tho wait so many year just to play newer same shit . bro very cook in ultimate comfort zone but still want game to be something new i know they change ai mechanic is tactical and all. but that the problems the whole existence of payday is a swarm shooter without swarm of swat payday turn into very goofy ai game. personal i want payday turn into more competitive hava a greater achievement maybe can play at swat too like l4d2. man i thought shit gonna be great shooter not downright lame like this

[@Yoba007]

It’s too early to talk about failure, the name is clickbait and has nothing to do with reality. Payday 2 was also not built right away.

[@Jocken75]

Good point

[@henrynagel7175]

Completely agree

[@TheFondalizer]

No this is a failure through and through. There are hundreds of nebula accounts at least softlocked due to bugs. Some even since launch all unable to play because Starbreeze was too cheap to buy get the job done right. They released a half done game it didn't work at launch and there are still hundreds locked out of the game they paid for. Not due to specs but pure idiocy from the devs and only caring about money. This game is dead

[@henrynagel7175]

@@TheFondalizer the game being dead an being a failure are 2 different things

[@TheFondalizer]

​@@henrynagel7175You're right but both are true

[@mcarpen89]

Great video, Yamiks. This topic is near and dear to me as an old Payday 2 player. Like it or not, movement shooters are very trendy right now. Payday 3 didn't have to be a movement shooter but making it more sluggish than Payday 2 was a big mistake. Payday 2 was the first game I put more than 200 hours into. I put about 700 hours into it before finally losing interest. The grind wasn't what kept me playing. What kept me playing was the way the heists were randomized and the buffet of character builds that were possible. No two heists ever went down exactly the same way because they had enough variables to make you adjust your run each time. I enjoyed making highly optimized builds for stealth, loud, mobility, etc. These builds didn't require a ton of grind to put together, but the amount of variety available in the game kept you coming back to do another build with the latest DLC weapon or ability. On top of that, they continued to add new heists that brought more variety to the game each time. I cannot tell you how excited I was for the Shadow Raid heist, the Dentist heists, Hotline Miami heists, etc. I will never not agree that every online game needs to have an offline mode, but for PVE games that aren't MMOs, I think peer-to-peer networking is equally important to having an offline mode. Peer-to-peer matchmaking has its own quirks and challenges, but for co-op games its undeniably the superior networking solution over using dedicated servers. I met people using cheats. Even some using griefing mods. It was never a big deal. You just leave the game and join a different one. Never understood the appeal of using cheats in a PVE game but w/e. The point is, Payday 2 will be playable forever. Payday 3 is completely dependent on the servers, offers a worse experience for the user, AND it will incur higher operating costs for Starbreeze. A baffling decision. It wasn't grind that sustained Payday 2. It was variety. For me, the bloat and power creep eventually became too much and I lost interest, but not before buying all the DLC packs for most of the life cycle of the service. I'd consider that a critical AND financial success for Overkill. When I saw how clunky and grindy Payday 3 was and the fact that it used dedicated servers instead of peer-to-peer, I didn't even bother buying it.

[@the_amazing_shinobi]

Bro’s a warframe player for sure

[@mcarpen89]

@@the_amazing_shinobi Me? I haven't played it. Is it similar?

[@the_amazing_shinobi]

@@mcarpen89 if you like power fantasy video games that get stupidly easy with the right builds an loadouts than yeah it’s the same game

[@scorake14]

man id hate to see your reaction if you played payday 2 on release, there was less variety and content when it was first released then payday 3 had

[@scorake14]

also the game has offline/solo mode, always has

[@grumpysloth7928]

After payday 2 lied to the community about never putting micro transactions into the game then as an anniversary gift added an in game store with micro transactions I swore to never buy another game from them. Good to see them failing as they deserve for being greedy and lying to consumers.

[@silveralpaca6037]

Bruh fr I swear to everything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth... I feel weird watching your videos which are not about Elite Dangerous 😐 5:00 grind... Yeah... I know something about that. Did you know that Stratum Tectonicas, Cactoida Vermis and Tussock Virgam are one of the most profiti...... Nevermind......

[@TheYamiks]

is it a good or a bad kind of weird?!

[@silveralpaca6037]

​​​@@TheYamiksI mean good. Obviously. I just got too used to Elite Dangerous. I've been playing Elite like a maniac and wanted to know all and more about everything so I didn't really watch any other of your videos. Well with few exceptions but still I got to used too Elite simply speaking. Good work with this one tho

[@lookitsrain9552]

Payday 2 is one of my most played games of all time, Payday 3s beta was so bad i didnt even consider buying it.

[@Murmarine]

Honestly at this point, you are better off buying Payday 2 for dimes than pay for Payday 3 at full price.

[@skeley6776]

Funnily enough the new dlc is 2€ cheaper than the Legacy edition of PD2 that includes like 90 if not 95% of the content and that is without a sale.

[@suikerstaafje7]

The radio's you need to awnser with stealth gameplay, ( with a friend of mine ) made us quit playing PD2.

[@revan5293]

???

[@NIL0S]

It didn't pay off. 😏

[@Darca1n]

It kiiiinda did in that it vroke even in a matter of weeks, but we all know that was gonna happen regardless. What likely won't happen is it paying off as much as desired, not unless they shape up FAST.

[@Noobochok]

The piracy part is so laughable considering how easy it is to play it on a pirated copy.

[@theinfectedgamer5453]

As a long time fan and player. This happened at the start of payday 1 and 2. And comparing 10 year's of content the to a new engine. But best part is you are saying you only just tried 2. Unfortunately give it time no matter what. Go back and play the launch version on 2 then what it is at the end. So to be honest this is more click bait because payday is at a rocky place. And to the challenges. Mate do the gun challenge and to how many times you need to complete a job. Over the year's you will complete till new content. And the live service? Where. You need to buy DLC. And free content updates. Do some research before you upload. Ohhhh and offline is coming. It was a pirate and mod issue they admitted it stuffed up.

[@sheepfly]

The game is dead 😂😂😂😂

[@social3ngin33rin]

unfair comparison...but Baulder's Gate :P modding ftw :)

[@TheFondalizer]

Not unfair at all. This just has 0 love or creativity with 0 care for the players. BG3 is a labour of love that brings joy to those who experience it. It just shows you what gaming is supposed to be compared to this uninspired waste of time

[@scorake14]

@@TheFondalizer first of BG3 is a matter of personal opinion, i much rather play P3 AND P2 rather then BG3, but thats because its not my kind if game, second of all ,BG3 had YEARS to make the game it is now, Starbreeze have STILL been popping out updates for payday 2, so they didnt have all their focus on payday 3, and they still made a good release, despite their server issues which was fixed within the first week, its still a fun game, people just tried it that first week, had a bad experience and now just bitch and moan about it.

[@artemgrischuk7741]

Let em cook

[@gamertank1987]

late for the party and says this is fun :P

[@arbert....8654p]

PD3 will be back exactly what happen with PAYDAY2, 2024 - 2030 will be the PD3 years 🏆

[@Xighor]

Wow 7yrs.. Ill be dead by then.

[@arbert....8654p]

@@Xighor it will start next year.