The Fall & Rise of FFXIV | Episode Eight | The PS3 (Com)Promise

[@SpeakersNetwork]

Update: As of Patch 5.2, Limsa Lominsa's overworld textures have been fixed! She's no longer melting! \:D/

[@hosheep]

The entire ballroom at Fanfest erupted into loud cheers at the PS3 support ending. It was great.

[@ShivaServer2009]

I remember hearing the reaction lol.

[@Hezkezl]

I remember it surprising Yoshi a little bit with how enthusiastic people were about it, lmao

[@hosheep]

He really was. It was pretty much the same reaction he got when he also asked everyone to please upgrade to a 64bit OS for the game, too.

[@markisgabriel7843]

It took the devs by surprise too lol

[@leonkfox3606]

I need to find video of this xD

[@disturbedcobra]

Being a FFXIV player since day one of 2.0, and sarting out on PS3 as well as taking part in the PS3 beta, I will say that yes the PS3 definitley held back some of the potential for FFXIV and had some technical limitations that caused quite a bit of grievances. This is a clear example of why YoshiP is beloved by fans of FFXIV all over because of his dedication he provides to the players of this great MMO. Players were promised a PS3 version and he intended to provide it even if there had to be technical limitations. Even with the launch of the PS4 version, they continued to provide support for the PS3 version to appease the fanbase and those PS3 gamers that have yet to upgrade to a PS4. Having played on PS3 till the game finally came out on PS4, I have personally experienced the dreaded loading and lag issues, especially the night that is Odin and Behemoth, I am glad that the PS3 has finally been phased out in favor of improving the game more. But we still can't discount that the PS3 version was a stepping stone on it's own and it helped as a bridge to bring more MMOs to consoles to this day.

[@DarkBowser64]

Yoshi-P and others mentioned in an interview after the fact that another of the biggest issues when designing content with the PS3 in mind were the loading times. The RAM was just as big of a factor, but if you could stream data off the hard drive or storage media quickly enough, it wouldn't be as big of an issue as it was (city-states would have not needed to be divided into two as they were if they could just stream the assets off the HDD quickly enough). But the PS3 had an ESPECIALLY slow drive interface--that meant that unless you upgraded to an SSD, the game would always load incredibly slowly off the HDD, so they had to design how large dungeons were, how many textures were usable in a specific area, texture sizes, and more specifications *specifically around the PS3's loading times* so that they would never take too long. And in some cases it wasn't even enough. The more people in an area, the slower it would load by an order of magnitude longer, making you miss your 45 second timer for your queue because your duty popped while you were loading into Idyllshire, which was always full of people to bog down your loading times. Don't even ask about hunts or Odin. Even empty zones like Azys Lla would take at least half a minute to load on a standard built-in PS3 HDD, and they also mentioned that they had to reduce the amount of interactable NPCs and other such things in Heavensward zones because they needed to stream the data for such things directly off the hard drive even while flying. The game ran at an average frame rate of 20FPS, sometimes at 30 FPS, but other player characters and all NPCs besides you, except in cutscenes, ran at half that frame rate or less. They always looked like slideshows. I once teleported within the same zone in Coerthas Central to Camp Dragonhead and it took 10 seconds for Camp Dragonhead to load in even after I got out of the loading screen, because only the very inner walls were modeled in the distance model. I wasn't even sure what I was looking at. Unlike the PS4 version where you could use M&K OR Controller, PS3 version had only controller (with keyboard strictly for typing only) because it did not have enough RAM to display the keyboard hotbars on your screen whatsoever. If you wanted to focus target an enemy, your experience bar would disappear completely while Focus Target was active. That's how strict the RAM was for HUD elements. It was impressive that they got the game running on that thing to begin with, but it needed to be put down.

[@Kisai_Yuki]

Let's hope the PS5 and any final iteration of the PS4 comes with a class 50 NVMe HDD so that loading times go away forever. Literately makes the loading time of everything 15X faster.

[@epwadventures]

This has been an amazing series. Thank you for all of the hard work you put into it and for giving us the next episode.

[@bswift1991]

Hey, at least the game having to be able to work well on a PS3 meant you didn't need some kind of super computer from the moon to get decent performance on the pc. It may have brought limitations but it also forced excellent optimisation of the code, unlike the hot mess of 1.0

[@Rayjaya]

They took a big risk porting it to ps3, I think it paid off. Its amazing what the team did with the ps3, and I know of at least 3 dozen people who would never had tried ARR if not for it being on ps3. This has to have impacted the success of the game in a positive way.

[@GrapeJuiceCXX]

Rhett Cowley that’s definitely me. I did switch to PS4 as soon as XIV was available there in April 2014. Nevertheless I fondly remember playing the game for PS3. I’m glad Square Enix kept their promise. Most of my FC mates who still play the game began on the PS3.

[@JustSkram]

If by paid off you mean it held everyone else back, then yeah I guess it paid off.

[@Bedbuggies]

Though it did set FFXIV ARR back in terms of features I think it overall improved the optimization of the game and grew the community to how it is today.

[@Boyzby]

I am definitely in that camp. I don't think I would have ever given the game a shot if it weren't so readily available to me, especially since it was a subscription game.

[@captainkronos]

Sinryu on a PS3. I can almost smell the melted plastic.

[@Shadethewolfy]

Ha, you think Shinryu would've been a strain on PS3 hardware? I see your Shinryu and raise you Eden Prime, Amaurot (especially the final doom), and Hades. 32-bit died so we could see those AMAZING fights.

[@narrahian9713]

@@Shadethewolfy And now, Elidibus and Emerald Weapon.

[@Shadethewolfy]

@@narrahian9713 haven't seen Emerald Weapon yet. But Elidibus was great.

[@Leonesaurus1990]

Bro, that Odin cape physics shit is amazing! I really hope they not only bring that back for Odin's outfit in a future update but add more cape physics gear sets to the game. I never saw that cape video before so it was neat to see that it was 100% doable and complete, but canceled because of the damn PS3. The PS3 was a necessary requirement for the game to bring in money and players at the time of the relaunch, so it was a necessary sacrifice for the time. Maybe someone can mention it to Yoshida and get someone on the team to patch it back in? Thanks again for the videos! Another great job!!!

[@ShivaServer2009]

No capes! Couldn't help myself.

[@Starfloofle]

On that note, maybe we can finally have ultra-long hair...? Please...?

[@Leonesaurus1990]

I think long hair should be doable, since several NPCs make it work. The only problem with the hair in comparison to the cape is that the hair clips through a lot of the clothing and armor and I've seen people complain about that a lot. Personally, I don't mind because you have to be ready to take the good with the bad with things like that. As long as everyone is ok with certain gear conflicting with longer hairstyles I don't see why it shouldn't be added in. Maybe they can do a poll and go from there if they're on the fence about it?

[@cstaie85]

So. Long hair and capes both cause clipping. Even certain gear now causes clipping in change pose. Or just in general. SE does a great job of trying to minimize clipping. I agree that I would love to see more longer hair styles. And PC has mods for it. As for capes... the PLD lv 70 artifact gear has a cape. It may not be as flamboyant as Odin, but it still has some physics and with the limited size does not interfere with clipping much. My biggest complaint about cloth physics is sleeves on robes... who thought it would be a great idea to make triangle sleeves and not make them bend... example is healer gear gear from Heavensward as the dravanian set.

[@AdrianMarquez12]

Odins gear had a cape?! I NEEEEEED IIIIIIIT

[@PregnantOrc]

I wonder if they could re-merge the city maps now that the PS3 limitation is gone. It would be a nice QoL change for all the times we go back there and for new players as well.

[@ShivaServer2009]

I wouldn't mind the seamless loading zones again tbh. Those dotted lines give me an eye twitch to this day after having played 1.0 for the whole 2 yrs I miss the seamless transitions.

[@Hereticbliss322]

PregnantOrc yea or maybe they could use that effort on something that actually matters.

[@charitysmidutz498]

I'm surprised you didn't talk about/show the BIGGEST issue the PS3 players had with the game. The Odin and Behemoth fates! I was a PS3 player and dear God the loading was horrible. I couldn't even see Odin or behemoth because nothing would load. Trying to dodge and invisible boss was the worst. And trying to see your party mates...forget about it! The day I got my PS4 the first time odin spawned I ran there as fast as I could and was so happy I didn't have to turn off all the spell casting graphics and could finally actually tank him. It was a great day.

[@Hezkezl]

"Culling" (the removal of players and enemies on your screen due to a large number of them trying to appear at once) is still an issue in the game even in Stormblood. Even with the PS3 gone, Ixion and some S rank hunt mobs could still disappear from your screen due to the sheer number of players around. Rather than fix the problem, SE decided that adding different instances and capping them at ~150 players per instance, was a better solution. That leads me to believe it's a problem with the engine itself, and not something they could easily fix...

[@Wafflemage]

Those were dark times, my fellow PS3 adventurer. Invisible Odin was Death Incarnate. I made it a point to buy a PS4 for the Heavensward expansion.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

I'm really hoping they get rid of the breaks in the city-states. Limsa Lominsa, Uldah, Gridania, and Ishgard. The new one in Stormblood doesn't have any of that, and it's weird to have to go back to that in the old cities.

[@john_7000]

What do u mean breaks?

[@StormsparkPegasus]

@@john_7000 Those cities were developed when the game was still available on PS3. So the cities are not "whole", they are split into two parts with a loading screen between them. That was done because the PS3 had such a low amount of RAM, but it isn't necessary any more.

[@john_7000]

@@StormsparkPegasus oh wooow I just noticed that 😂😂😂 over 400 hours of ff14 finished shadowbringers and 5.3 and just noticed that areas from Stromblood to shadowbringers have full explorable area without loading screens 😂 yes u r right ARR and heavensward areas are divided, I think maybe the only reason I noticed that now is because loading screens doesn't bother me they are fast to load for me but I understand u they can be annoying

[@DukeDudeston]

But Ishgard doesnt "add up" If you look at the map of how Ishgard is supposed to be arranged. Foundation of course at the bottom with the Pillars above, looking at the map, you can see the outline of the other area quite well. If you stand by the skywatcher by the aetheryte in Foundation and look up, eastwards what do you see? What you should see according to the map is Haillenarte Manor with the court of the Last Vigil, the delievery moogle should be pretty much over the aetheryte. You see nothing of the sort, you see skies above you. Of course wouldnt be pleasing if you just saw the bottom of the next area. Over by the Brume, look up, there should be the airship landing to the east, well the zone line to the pillars pretty much matches up with the zone line to the sea of clouds on the upper maps. Something not right with Ishgard there if you ask me. Compare that with the map of say Limsa... At the lower decks at the aetheryte look up and eastwards, you should see according to the map the bridges around bulwark hall... and guess what... that's exactly what you see. The map adds up. The lowerdecks match up with the upper decks. Same with Uldah. So if they were to implement a no loading seam in the city states. Ishgard will need some transformations. Stand from the gate of judgement up the first ramp right above you should be the central pedestal at the last vigil looking over the gate... but it's not. so you cant say "because the pillars are so high up" and even if they were, that's a lot of stairs one will have to climb. Again this is purely by looking at the map and how the pillars shadows are on the foundation map and vice versa. If Limsa and Uldah (the other multi-tiered states) match up to their maps... why not Ishgard? I mean that's proper nit picking. We can all just say "hey sod it, we can see why it was done like this and it's awesome anyway", if the Pillars were a little further northwards from foundation it could work. But map does suggest pillars is above foundation.

[@john_7000]

@@DukeDudeston man u r just so nitpickimg nobody cares about that!!! This is an mmo we play and move on who cares

[@ginghi516]

I remember I started watching this series about a year ago when I was stuck in the hospital. It's my favorite one to watch on your channel! Can't wait to see more! Nice work! :D

[@blackh9604]

As a PC player, I had no idea what was going on in the console world, so this was a cool video. Very informative, as usual!

[@BenWillock]

Honestly when the next gen consoles come out I'd really want them to "ARR" the game again, making the game fully open world again would be a dream.

[@Primus_prime_time]

Actually, after playing a lot of open world MMO's and RPG's, zone based is way less bothersome, you waste less time runing around. Imagine have to walk Limsa Lominsa bridges in open world >,> huge waste of time. That's just my prefference though, it's one trait I enjoy from FF14, it's the zones, like Guild Wars 1 and 2.

[@BradleyMcCloud]

@@Primus_prime_time "Imagine have to walk Limsa Lominsa bridges in open world" That's basically 1.0

[@Primus_prime_time]

yeah, true, forgot about that lol

[@playmary123]

@@Primus_prime_time you can have open world and teleportation to be honest. Think of perfect world.

[@chelseys5192]

My dude! Your production value keeps on going up and up!

[@jedimasterpickle3]

...to be honest, I didn't realize ARR was ever on the PS3. I started playing in patch 4.25 on PC. A lot of these major improvements happened long ago for me. And the compromises put into the game like zone dividers I just kinda accepted. Not like I knew any better. I knew the game was on PS4 because a friend of the friend who got me into this game played on PS4, and played with me for my first few hours of the game. Really love this series, as well as Remnants of a Realm. It's really cool seeing what the game was, and what was done to make it great.

[@SatoriKenshou]

I'm really eager to see the motion capture footage for skill animations. Mostly interested in seeing monk skills, namely Dragon Kick in particular haha. Excellent video!

[@AM-em5gc]

Didn't know I need that cape but yes, yes I do. Give me cape. Now plz.

[@Sami_TLW]

Ah, so that's why the Odin armor always looked a bit funny to my eyes! We need an update that does nothing but add capes to various chest pieces. Or a decorative cape slot...

[@sera_venus]

i never knew ab out the extended inventory thing until you mentioned it at 10:10............

[@Killersnake432]

PS3 limitations to server limitations. The limitations ride never ends.

[@amak1131]

Makes me wonder how much of it is "limitation" vs. "developer incompetence".

[@StormsparkPegasus]

If you want to see developer incompetence, take a look at WOW. Blizzard has an amazing art department that outdoes themselves with every expansion. But it's all wasted because there is NOTHING to do in the outside world but the same grindy fill up the bar shit. The made the game feel like a job, where you're logging in to do chores. FFXIV's content is so far ahead of WOW in every way that there's no way to even compare them.

[@Shiirow]

we all know the next limitation stop is the PS4.

[@Killersnake432]

Well they are currently saying server limitations now as well PS4 still have a long way to go and see it being a real limitation when PS5 comes out and PS4 is struggling to stay above 30 FPS.

[@arahman56]

Its still more powerful than the low-end PCs.

[@JrystalTyaeli]

I remember discussion around the PS3 got fucking toxic for awhile, part of that though is the differences between console and PC gamers. PC gamers will fight you to the death over half a pixels improvement and console gamers don't see the value in buying a $300 console for tp bars and larger inventories. Also I would like to mention that someone once told me that if I couldn't afford to spend $350 on a new hardware once every three years I had no business playing any video games at all, I just brought that up because that person is a dick and I'll bring it up at every opportunity. I think a lot of bitterness could've been avoided if Yoshida was willing to allow certain features to only be available on certain systems instead of trying to force parity. Oh well the PS3 debate is long over and now everyone is preemptively dog piling on the Switch now. Great community BTW.

[@LilChikyChan]

I wonder what the community would have been like if they'd announced a psvita version 😂

[@JrystalTyaeli]

@@LilChikyChan you can use a Vita with remote play if that counts.

[@LilChikyChan]

@@JrystalTyaeli I was meaning a proper vita port. I stream FFXIV to my phone, with the vita it's just awkward.

[@Kisai_Yuki]

Imagine if... SE decided to visualize the render process and just send h.265 video to players screens (it would suck) but that would be strategically the best way to get a game on to every platform without having to design a client for each platform. Every year, Sony or Microsoft or some other big publisher pushes this because it means the end to piracy, and yet the ISP's won't play ball. We need fibre to every home for it to even be viable, and companies like Verizon and AT&T think they are going to get out of their rural broadband requirements by just putting everyone else on LTE (which has painfully more latency) and presently broadband is defined as 25Mbps by the FCC (despite earlier this year trying to roll it down to 10Mbps.) So if you want to game on a PS4, toaster or potato, streaming is the way to get the same experience when the PC goalposts move too far away, but then again, I don't imagine SE having a render farm of 2080 RTX's putting out 4Kp60 video for every player.

[@LilChikyChan]

@@Kisai_Yuki Square put millions into developing this idea, just to abandon it. It was specifically for an MMO environment too. Wonder how long it'll be before this method of gaming actually happens, we all know it's inevitable by this point 🤔 just need the technology to catch up to it, as you say.

[@mazzalnx]

I believe this video is not listed in the Fall & Rise playlist as of Nov 22 18. Took me a while to find it.

[@mikebarr2436]

Of all the things the PS3 ruined, the biggest one for me is the fractured cities. Seamless zones everywhere would of course be great, but the cities in particular really suck to be split in two, its lame and confusing. It took me FOREVER to figure out how Limsa was laid out, and it took me even longer to realize that Ul'dah was supposed to be one big ring. I thought for sure the Steps of Thal were a lower level situated below the Steps of Nald! I'd love for 5.0 to start gluing the world back together again.

[@007jsv]

I need that odin cape, my whole existing evolves around the hope that odin cape will finally bless us in game! Oh and thanks for video

[@dracomundo1498]

I dont really mind the split zones as a new player. World still feels beeg

[@Imperatrixxy]

Aside from the first episode, which was still very informative despite the cringe-worthy dad jokes and overall so-so presentation, this series has been a blast to watch. The amount of research that must have been done for this is astounding, and it's all very well put together. You ask the questions, and then you take us on a clear journey to the actual answers. With some minor revisions to the script, this could very well pass for a professionally made TV documentary.

[@Incensement]

If you look at the Odin armor you can get for the fate tokens (not the one made of individual pieces from the trial) in a model viewer it does actually still have the cape, guess they just disabled it in game.

[@LilChikyChan]

Which means it should be fairly easy to just add back in. I'd imagine the reason they haven't is because the Odin of FFXIV lore doesn't have a cape :( All their promotional images of him don't have the cape.

[@Xenitag0]

@@LilChikyChan Cape physics for a boss are sometimes a pain. God how I hated Exdeath for that, not seeing if my character had a black hole spawning on him as melee in the first Omega tier... just because his cape blocked my field of view for that.

[@micaneiri]

This was greatly informative, I had no idea PS3 was such a major hold back. Thank you for the video and looking forward to more, these series are great ^^

[@GrapeJuiceCXX]

I’m gratefully Square Enix kept their promise and released the game on the PS3. I would had been indifferent if they had not released Heavensward for the PS3 as I had upgraded to PS4 since 2.2. But despite its big limitations, the PS3 did the job well. Stormblood was the time to move on, but farewell to another another nice console.

[@SniperKing-O]

So you mean to tell me I could have had Odin's Cape those whole time if it weren't for the Ps3!? Gods, I hope they re add someday. I NEED THAT CAPE ON ODIN'S ARMOR, DAMMIIT!!!!!! D'X

[@luc1ferous]

Makes you wonder what the 5.0 overhaul will entail? I'm hoping they go all out for it, roll on the Fan Fests!

[@Asuno1321]

Another great episode Lukile keep up the good work :D

[@craigwilde2162]

I do wonder (and hope) if the dev team intend to go over some of the older content and touch it up a bit now they don't have to be limited by the PS3.

[@jameshoput5397]

Great video. I started the game first on ps3, would have never got into it if it was only on pc, upgraded to a ps4 due to Titan Ex.

[@truebigboss]

Damn you have improved alot since ep 1 keep up the good work m8

[@griggins]

Great video. I started on PS3. Coerthas FATE grinding was so bad, the mobs would be dead before I could even see them loaded in, so I just aoe'd and hoped for some xp. lol

[@K-Igaki]

Would they be able to glue the city states back together now that RAM is no longer an issue? Maybe even some of the ARR maps... it'd give a feeling of scale back to new players and old players simply traversing the realm. Use load tunnels again but make them shorter due to the increased capability of systems nowadays perhaps.

[@barinelg]

As an aside on the PS3 RAM discussion, it's important to be clear that the 256 VRAM was used only for video. This was in contrast to Xbox 360's shared memory system, where the developers could choose how much RAM to allocate to specific tasks. This means that the PS3 version actually had less than 256MB to work with since the OS and background tasks had to use some percentage of the non-VRAM pool. All things considered, it was impressive that they got it to even run in the first place, but it was good to have the limitations finally removed by ending PS3 support.

[@dasgrauel]

The melted ice cream part along with the trombone sound clip killed me-

[@KianaWolf]

Odin cape! WANT! Edit: Looking at the cape physics, it seems like Exdeath uses the same. Or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

[@r0da_]

I'm pretty sure exdeath's cape animations are baked in.

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

And I'm pretty sure that Exdeath uses Thordan's cape physics & that they're the same lol

[@bangalgar]

Need to get back in this game

[@sunlight-sky151]

When ARR launched on PS3, I played as a tank from start to finish. I don't remember feeling hindered at all tbh. I just didnt know better I guess lol

[@TheWillOfJ]

Three years later and only as I watch this video do I realize that dropping the PS3 is probably how they were able to give us ARR flying...!

[@bettym4859]

hey there, i can't seem to find your "chronicals of a realm" you've mentionned about old cutscenes and story of 1.0

[@Lordoftheapes79]

I had forgotten about the Odin cape lol

[@ArcadeTheatre]

I can't wait to see what graphical and technical updates the game gets when the next expansion comes out!

[@ViewTube_Dan]

5:53 that vram limitation of PS4 still fucks u up today cause it severely decreases draws its why instances areas can only have a certain size. When PS4 support is ended this might cause severely increased outside instances.. like just imagine Il'Mheg .. so many more details.. 2 times the size.. the zone most impacted in Shadowbringers was the area around Eulmore..

[@kaoruhonjou]

Is there a thread on the FF14 official forum board about the Odin cape? I feel like there should be one cause I own the set and weapons.

[@markup6394]

The Odyn cape... must have been a big hit. I wasn't there, I have no idea ^^° And I'm no fan of capes (makes me think of Edna from the "Incredibles" and what happens to heroes wearing a cape :D ) Anyway, it's 2020, close '21, and I just found this channel. Thank you very much these indepth videos. As freshly sprouted player since 5.2 everything regarding 1.x is kinda fascinating to me I guess... more so since I can't access it anymore other than some rare legacy player or videos like this one... So, yeah, thank you for your hard work and I'm off to the next movie :)

[@CI254]

I was tolerant of the PS3 limitations to this day. But the Odin cape? I had no idea. Now they've crossed the line. How dare they.

[@MissAshley42]

If nothing else, the intention to put this game on console allowed the design to be super controller friendly. After playing other MMOs for years while sitting upright at a desk, being able to play something as awesome as FFXIV while lounging on a couch is great.

[@pixelapocrypha]

I started playing the game on PS3 because I didn't have a PC that could run it at the time. When I upgraded to a PS4 I couldn't believe the difference, and then again when PS3 support was officially ended and updates were brought to the graphical side. Even if the updates weren't large, they were noticeable. Then I moved over to my semi-high end PC and it makes my fiance, who plays on a PS4 Pro, go "wow" every time he looks at my monitor lol!

[@LIJXFVKINBVY]

With FFXIV on the PS5 now, would it be better to expand the map areas or take away the loading screens?

[@melphina2720]

loving this series

[@ernestoivanmcmillangonzale6699]

min 7:54, like an ice cream !!! LMAO !!!

[@nerdychocobo]

I've only ever played this game on PS4 so I have no idea of the technical aspects of PS3 ffxiv but at the very least I appreciate the way it limited the art style,, I think it's very pretty the way it is

[@morinavampile]

I originally played XIV on my PS3 and Stormblood was the reason I finally broke down and got a PS4 lol

[@chloekaftan]

But ARR released with the Luminous engine, how could it have carried over issues from FXIII?

[@Beredaman08]

That's a misconception. It doesn't use the Luminous Engine, it uses a proprietary one they put together for this game that had some of the same developers that made the Luminous Engine work on it. As far back as 2011 or 2012 Yoshi-P talked about that they tried the Luminous Engine and found it wasn't going to work for the MMO elements either. However, due to some of the same people working on both, he did say that you could in some ways consider them "sister engines" and that's probably what kicked off the rumor that they use the Luminous Engine.

[@Pfromm007]

We're talking about the ram of the GPU here, correct?

[@Pfromm007]

Not all ram is the same.

[@ViewTube_Dan]

I wish Games nowadays would just have easy options for like "my pc is shit apply lowest setting" and "my pc is a monster pls use my 2080Ti sli setup with pcie ssd 32 core cpu and 64GB ram" settings. Like from "not even grass" to "1.0 flower pots"

[@fILBUS_GAMING]

When's the next episode

[@Edoran]

Can we get capes now please?

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

We are do have capes for players, namely the ones from HW dungeons and the likes, but they just don't have that crazy nice physics we see in the video here :x

[@izumolee6714]

I was one of the many that had started the game on the PS3 and boy it was the loading times that really hampered my experience with the game. Pratoreum was a nightmare on the PS3. I upgraded to PS4 as soon as it was available and have had no issues whatsoever. I kinda blame SE for holding on to PS3 support for so long. Unless there was some contractual agreement between Sony and SE there was no reason for keeping the platform. Especially since the PS4 was on its way. It must be some Japanese honor system to keep the promise of supporting it on PS3 cause it was initinally announced for it but due to 1.0 failure that put a damper on the game. Now there are rumbles of a Switch version, and although the Switch has more RAM there is no way you can play this on the go due to storage limitations. If there is a Switch version is the talk of 'holding back' the game going to return?

[@solrok9773]

Cape physics yes please

[@NightArcHero]

gives us the odin cape..... pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

[@nemeanlioness]

Yeah died alot on ps3, lag was bad too. By time i saw mob ability i was already hit. Only playable as dps and only open world or simple dungeons. Tried tank once, just stood there unable to move while group shouted at me. Fun times.

[@KnightRaymund]

Damn you PS3. I want capes! Real capes. PS3 is gone, give us something like that Odin cape again. Great video! Great series.

[@MechaMan2012]

A video like this is a great response to the fallacy that all a new console does it make things prettier, or the sentiment of "I don't know why they made (insert game name here) next-gen exclusive, this could VeRY eAsiLY rUn oN oLd HarDWaRe".

[@SparkleSporks]

I'm really confused. You show clips of PS3 and P and the PS3 side being slow and laggy, but.... I never had that. My PS3 never lagged on cutscenes, chat logs, battles, movement, or anything! The only thing my PS3 lagged with the game was loading areas or into/out of dungeons, trials and duties. Friends on the PS4 loaded quicker than me, but that was it.

[@SpeakersNetwork]

What you're seeing in the side-by-sides is not actual lag, but the major difference in frame rate. The PS3 was locked at 30 fps (and would for the most part dip below that). When compared to PC's 60+ and the PS4's 60 fps, it really shows how bad it was. Important to note as well is that the PS3 ran at 720p, and not 1080p like the PC and PS4. That's why it also looks more washed out.

[@SparkleSporks]

@@SpeakersNetwork ah yes, the washed out look I defo noticed. Just never felt like the game itself to me was slow like it was shown here. It proberly was, but I never had it bad enough to notice I guess lol

[@NichSchoepfer]

@@SparkleSporks If you only every played on the PS3, you would not notice it because you would have nothing with which to compare it.

[@SparkleSporks]

@@NichSchoepfer Actually, my girlfriend played on the PS4 while I was stuck on the PS3, we both played in the same room next to each other. The only difference I saw was she loaded into zones/instances/cutscenes before i did. That was it. She also had "clearer" graphics than me, but I'm also stuck on a tiny TV that's really old, so even now on a PS4, I still can't see much HDness differences lol Seriously, I never saw any of this "lag" that played during battles or cutscenes like they showed here. I always just got annoyed that it took so long to load into somewhere, moreso when there was a lot of players.

[@Axtmoerder]

without the ps3 though , the game wouldn't be the success it is today. it was important. at the time the ps3 had a userbase of 80 million of potential buyers, which you simply couldnt ignore. it was 2013, the ps4 wasnt released yet, so NO ONE knew the ps4 would crush the competition in the following years by 3:1. if they had seen this coming they would have released it only for ps4 and pc. yoshida thanked ps3 players many times, as without their support the game wouldnt have been possible

[@animateacumen9396]

FFXI was also on 360

[@rexxel8867]

oh god i think i'm too late to watch this and this surprises me, the odin armor outfit i didn't actually know until i watched this thank you, but this is surprising and no wonder i felt like the odin armor was like meh... why would they make it like something was a bit off for me so i don't bother buying it and the answer was here XD not gonna lie the armor with the cape was actually cool on another level

[@melissas4874]

I wish more current players would watch this as it explains why there are still some things missing from the UI. They recently added the ability to see the time left on a a buff or debuff. Many have assumed that they only added this because PC players were using addons for this ability and bragged that PC player "forced their hands", but it sounds like they couldn't have it before due to the PS3 and just may have been slow to add. The thing with MMO players is they are always going to complain about something. If they focused on adding these numbers they would have complained if content was pushed back. I would rather have the content myself. And last? We are now in an age where a lot of people equate gaming power purely with GPU and having a 4k monitor - so thanks for reminding people that RAM matters and likely a lot more than most realize. 🙂

[@shiro3146]

yep, RAM ANd VRAM were matters, its 2nd thing though after CPU And GPU In Processing power, but in overall PC Builds, nowdays RAM,VRAM,GPU,CPU and "Drive" were all interconnected

[@lmbe]

I also need that cape. What is a BLM without a cape

[@kevinbroderick5002]

I wish I hadn't bought it for PS3 back in the day. I almost wish they had split the server and made PS3 f2p and exclusive. Good video

[@ixziandhraquetzalli500]

I like the FFXIV PS3 version, i'm not a PC gamer, so i can play FFXIV on other plataform, i have many friends on PS3 and now on PS4 who actualy play the game, so i glad Square take the game and put it on PS3/PS4. Many many people can play it.

[@loomingdeath1758]

You also forgot xbox 360 as well for ff11

[@kaltoren]

Even in Stormblood, the textures still aren't there yet. Looking at you, pixelation on the zoomed-in prima vista couch in cutscenes. Some of their textures look like they were from games 6 years old, it's kind of sad. Gameplay and story have definitely stayed engaging though.

[@eriolo]

I think a lot of the popularity its because they keep the ps3 support, a lot of players got the beta and stayed when it launched. Also what is holding back the game now is potato PC's and the 32bit client.

[@r0da_]

Does anyone have a video of the crowd singing goodbye to the ps3? Was honestly the best moment of fanfest.

[@Wafflemage]

Now, about them butt sliders, Yoshi-P?

[@killer88327]

Ah yes, doing hunts on the ps3 with the actual monster not even loading in because of the amount of players sure was E P I C

[@phoenixruin6640]

I'm starting to use a PS4 controller on my PC and as you switch from mouse to controller, the camera changes, probably due to PlayStation limitations, or it could just be me...but after hearing that the Odin cape was cut due to PlayStation, I now the reason why I can't fulfill my Black Knight cosplay from Fire Emblem Path of Radiance/Dawn RIP

[@AceCat]

There is a setting to switch the way that controllers work in terms of the camera to work as it does with the mouse and vice versa, doesn't feel natural though... Best to leave the mouse and the controller camera settings as the are by default

[@JrystalTyaeli]

Not really a console limitation but rather a limitation of controllers themselves, it's why FPS games on console have so many options to improve aiming for controllers.

[@Viestadisaster]

Ahhh my first time playing ARR.... My PS3 would heat up the room, I would run into walls because textures wouldn't load, constantly getting lost cuz again, textures wouldn't load... PS3 shutting off from overheating...fun times

[@mattstansbeary3068]

Yeah I would of went Final Fantasy 14 1.0 (Pc and PS3) where we all know that went bad.. then the Final Fantasy 14 ARR to (PC and PS4) sorry but Yoshi went I want to do right and sorry really truly messed everything UP. can't wait for 5.0

[@SigmaElement]

Should i worry i play this on PS4? : (

[@ShivaServer2009]

What music is used in the opening sequence? #$#$# ps3!!!!!! It's why we got a graphics quality downgrade, haven't been able to see our belts since 1.0 and the list goes on. Even my dinosaur of a phone out does a ps3 on RAM.

[@Klefth]

Now if only we could get the shaders, DoF and an actual form of anti-aliasing back... That would be great. :/

[@All4Tanuki]

I really hope that the four city-states get Unsundered one day. It's a horrible memento...

[@All4Tanuki]

Not to mention how confusing and messy it is to be a new player trying to find your way around Limsa with all the nonsense verticality. I wonder how many curious souls are put off by not picking a Gridanian job and getting lost at the start

[@Golemming]

game still need technical overhaul. Old architecture pulling game backwards

[@meganvincent5381]

God the poor ps3, that ram tho ;w;

[@JJMomoida]

I hope the PS4 doesn't become a hindrance.

[@EvilDickism]

that wont happen anytime soon

[@GutsofEclipse]

Consolitis

[@namelessjuan4696]

So basically PC was held hostage until Square finally killed the culprit.

[@logangraham3689]

They're still supporting PS4 somehow, but Xbox One gets left out.

[@TDOTCRFH4]

boy howdy, I can't wait for PC players to start complaining about how the PS4 is holding the game back, if they haven't already

[@SpeakersNetwork]

I don't think that will be the case for a long time. the jump from 256 (usable) RAM to 8 GB is HUGE! And we'll hopefully see loads of big improvements in the years to come. The PS4 is nowhere near of holding the game back right now! \o/

[@AceCat]

It will be interesting to see how the PS5 will play the game, assuming the game is brought to it (probably will be). I hope that they start pushing the game to max that the PS4 can handle as we near the end of its life cycle...

[@amak1131]

The PS4 is far from being a bottleneck. Right now, old code and the devs are holding things back.

[@JrystalTyaeli]

PS4 is fine for now unless the game relaunches again which is doubtful. These days people are preemptively complaining about the Switch instead.

[@EdnovStormbrewer]

I'd like to see the PS3 struggling to run shadowbringers xD

[@bluesrike]

If you like watching a slideshow a-la 1.0 Limsa opening cutscene. 😂