The Fimir - A Bog Dwelling Monster Civilization That Abduct Women And Summon Deamons

[@mrwri]

Of course such loathsome creatures don't feature in the lore any more, but can still be found at your local Games Workshop in the form of the staff members.

[@walt_man]

oooooohhh... burn.

[@thefightingfedora2976]

Met me a Fimir on day 1 of the AOS release. He kicked me out of the store.

[@owlsayssouth]

To be fair most migrated to the yu gi oh tournaments, easier to blend in.

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

They came to both from Wizards of the Coast products.

[@badgamemaster]

And that is why we see them in Total War: Warhammer... In the newer lore the abducting part is just missing...

[@mikkelnpetersen]

How DOES small villages even HOPE to stay alive? "Looks like fog, PREPARE THE DEFENSES" "Nice sunny day, BE EVER VIGILANT" "What phase of the moon(s) is it? STOCK UP ON SALT, SILVER AND BE READY TO PRAY"

[@TheDeinonychus]

I'm pretty sure the Fimir were inspired by the Formori, a race of deformed cycloptic giants from Irish and Scottish folklore.

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

Fomorians were more than just cyclops. They had a lot of types. If anything they were more like mutants.

[@CantusTropus]

The Formorians were something like evil spirits themselves, and they were associated with the underground and the deep sea, so dwelling in bogs is fairly appropriate.

[@tain1797]

The cycloptic bit usual is taken from the leader of the formorian Balor the eye gaint. Alot of depictions of formoria are cycloptic but this is not the case as they where a wide selection of evil spirits closer to primordial fears. I.g darkness, chaos, Plague etc.

[@toi_techno]

They always put me in mind of the estuary English. Covered in tattoos and can't be trusted around women.

[@yetipotato8567]

Chaos gods dropping the Fimir when seeing humans: "I dont want to play with you anymore" 😂

[@yetipotato8567]

But you can see why they dont exite gods. They are powerfull, wicked and twisted, but -Fight in boring way only when they have most opportune situation and environment favours them and lose stomack to a fight when they dont have a cover of mist. So no khorne -They live primitively in more like warrens than buildings, eat prolly some disgusting gruel for food, have sexslaves but only for procreation. So no slaneesh like decadence -No higher plots than organise raid -> get loot -> get biches -> leave before anyone changes mind -> party like champs until its go time again. No tseenzhian masterplan But what turns Nurgle from them? They dont embrace the deceases even though they live in bog.

[@worldofwarcraftman2]

I can just imagine the fimir celebrating a successful raid and beating a retaliating force. Only for their celebrations to be cut short by a horde of Orks of humorous size that thought going through the bog would be a good idea and they stumble into the Fimir's home.

[@chrissinclair8705]

"A Bog Dwelling Monster Civilization That Abduct Women And Summon Deamons" -Not again!!! Damn bog dwellers, they're always up to no good.

[@kmech3rd]

Hey! Bog Lives Matter!

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

*screams at you in Irish*

[@irateastartes1206]

@@archimedesd5794 "Everybody mounts everybody fights!" - Queens guard Lieutenant Razczak of the Brettonian 3rd infantry.

[@aa-yt7wo]

We boggies are a hairy folk Who like to eat until we choke. Loving all like friend and brother, And hardly ever eat each other

[@adamlakeman7240]

I once theorycrafted that the Fimir were the last remnants of a great empire, one of the most powerful in the Old World in fact. But the appearance of the Old Ones brought an end to their horrible reign by first unleashing the Saurus to defeat them in open battle (after all, they can't have been created *just* for fighting greenskins) and reducing them to a handful of isolated rural swamp villages, and then creating a genophage to finish the job. Unfortunately the Fimir discovered their KZbin-ToS violating loophole and before the Old Ones could do anything about that the Chaos gates collapsed and the Old Ones vanished from history. I even wondered if perhaps the Fimir had been *behind* the mysterious failure of the polar gates in the first place as one terrible act of revenge.

[@semi-useful5178]

I really like this

[@MrNetWraith]

Considering that the original Oldhammer lore is that the slann conquered the Warhammer world from its original rulers, which included dragons and lizardfolk, then fell into barbarism, honestly, this wouldn't be without precedent.

[@Wraithfire27]

I always thought they were corrupted lizardfolk A La the chaos dwarves. They were on the outskirts of the lizardmen territory and when the great big chaos explosion happened. They had the training to deal with demons, eventually turning into dealing WITH demon. By the time the lizardmen returned to those lands, they could no longer recognize their former (heh firmir) brothers.

[@omegawilliam95s36]

That's a good theory, better than just having the gates explode for no reason.

[@warmak4576]

Search The Sleeper warhammer, the emperor of a long-forgotten civilisation of intelligent, mantis-like insectoids. Old hammer had some rly cool lore with mystery and intrigue.

[@MrMortull]

As an Anglo-Celt and heir to the folklore that inspired the Fimir in the first place, I say: Grim and dark, *grim and dark*, GRIM AND DARK! Bring back the Fae terror of Warhammer!

[@kellerblair2952]

They’re still in warhammer the only part that may not endure is the woman napping.

[@corygraafstra8173]

Truly a loathsome creature. Meant to say this also, I do like how they're like the goblins from goblin slayer but much worse.

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

Not really worse, significantly better, they can breed with willing women and are civilized whereas Goblins are feral and inherently cruel, most Fimir collectors interpret their Fimir clans as being symbiotic with human tribes, the Fimir gaining the ability to breed, the Humans gaining the protection of Fimir from the more murder-focused factions. The whole rape thing was a mistake based on poorly explained lore, the original writers intended for Fimir to be abductors of humans, yes, they enslaved humans, but the reproduction with humans was unrelated, and was based on Fomorians of Celtic legend marrying human women, willingly.

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

It can be and is both.

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

@deplorabledegenerate2630 That's basically a fact about anything though, except Greenskins, since they reproduce through spores and are hermaphroditic.

[@JoeSmith-sl9bq]

Actually I can see many real life women willingly breeding with them

[@inductivegrunt94]

These Chaos worshipping, bog dwelling, loathsome creatures remind me of the Skeksis from The Darl Crystal. But they do interest me quite a bit, most notably for being civilized Chaos worshippers who have a hatred for humans, yet are part of the TWW Norsca unit roster. At least they are unique enough to be set apart from other races that are Chaos aligned. And learning about them is quite the treat for my inquisitive self.

[@MrLolguy93]

MMMMMMMMMMMM

[@braydoxastora5584]

they do seem to have a kappa vibe

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

@@MrLolguy93 I HATE YOUR WHIMPER!

[@mst3kguy754]

@@HiddenEvilStudiosAughra doesn't care! Aughra will just sit here!​

[@hashkangaroo]

This is something that would work very well in Warhammer 40k. Just replace foggy bogs with worlds shrouded in Warp storms, with their development itself stimulated by the presence of fimir.

[@TheHej2]

This is why i follow arch, deep dive analysis of Warhammer lore that no one else does

[@insiainutorrt259]

Has yet to see or hear anyone even close overall...

[@warmak4576]

@@insiainutorrt259 The Book of Choyer is a close second.

[@titanscerw]

I can see as feasible solution to the Fimir question, fully embracement of the doctrine of Total Fimir Death. For the Empire!

[@williamjeffery9653]

Clearly we need a new sub-series for quasi-civilized monsters, such as Femir, Ogres, Trolls, or Sigmar forgive me, Stirlanders.

[@Dwarfman01]

Fimirs were tough. They used to be in Hero's Quest. The first RPG/Board Game I ever owned.

[@MrLolguy93]

Anyone else remember Balor from Celtic mythology? The Fimir could have been a part of Albyon very easily, considering the thematic

[@josephfitzgerald4387]

well they kinda are

[@redherring5016]

I thought Fimir were especially prevalent in Albion and revered minor daemon princes that were based off Celtic mythology? No idea how much of that was made up whole cloth for the Warhammer Armies project, but it certainly does fit the disfavored children of Chaos.

[@Docktavion]

They are found in the region of Albion.

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

As an Irishman and an American Southerner I am already offended enough without moving them to the Warhammer equivalent of Celtland.

[@moxtordoki96]

Fimirs are british

[@zanemiller3307]

Never stop doing lore videos if you can. Thank you.

[@OniLeafNin]

I am still hoping to see the Sabbat Worlds video series at some point! Thanks for the great content as always!

[@broadwater5218]

CA still owes you an apology

[@victoriencharnot555]

I was afraid you had forgotten lore Friday this week ( well technically you released this on Saturday I guess... ) , what a relief ! And for WHFB stuff too yay !

[@norsehorse84]

I really want these guys to be more prominent in some way. Imagine Tzeentch plants a small inkling of thinking and intelligent scheming in one particular female that is to be born in a Fimir clan where their queen is dying, so she becomes the new queen. With only a small fraction of effort from Tzeentch, this Fimir queen actually feels the need to join Norscan raids or have certain Fimir parties spread and migrate towards more bogs than just the Sea of Claws, as she sees more opportunities to grow the Fimir than raiding to (TOS) human women, which will eventually become unsustainable as humanity's weaponry and technology become more advanced. The migrants themselves don't have to be more intelligent, but since they'd be outside bogs more often trying to look for new ones, we can see them in other armies and other areas more. Plus, since they're more like a force of nature similar to the Beastmen, them spreading around the world outside Norsca, Kislev, and the Empire would only make the world more chaotic, so there's an in-universe reason to do so as well.

[@northerntoe]

I’ve heard of “skavenblight” But these dudes are “Skaven Lite”

[@TealWolf26]

A flat bottom boat is actually a great way to traverse shallow, twiggy, muddy swamp and ponds. Spreads out the weight and keeps it from sinking too low and snagging on weeds. Just so long as you don't go over the weight limit and flood it.

[@tobsw3802]

Ive been waitihg for Arch to do a lore vid on the Fimir for years!! 🥳🥳🥳

[@davidh429]

I think that the Fimir are like the Dragon Ogres. Races that the Old Ones tried to wipe out with them being along with the few survivors of the older races before the Old Ones.

[@badgamemaster]

Fimirs: Please love us oh Gods of Chaos! Nurgle: do you guys hear something? Slaanesh: other then Khorne's screaming as his followers kills everything in a city again? Tzeentch: yes, no... maybe.... no.. no.... my strongest spellcaster just blew up.... just as planned... Khorne: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!

[@andersand6576]

Have liked the looks of the fimir all the way back to heroquest. Wonder how a fimir army would have worked? No matter how it would have been a sight to behold!

[@vlastimirvukovic]

*DOOM music playing* *Dude who never, take off his armor approaching*

[@nightlock826]

Really wish Fimir made a return some time

[@Kerath]

Not in 2023 Games Workshop. Have you seen their new Website?

[@warmak4576]

@@Kerath Just give them genter-bender magic, throw some wigs + gender pronouns in their bios, they just randomly spawns from the bogs and their battle cry is ''IT'S MA'AM''. Ez Fix

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

They're actually in Age of Sigmar, and the Warhammer Total War series, where They're made palatable by establishing that they don't, and never really did, rape women, but instead willingly breed with the chaos worshiping Norscans and other such chaos worshipers. Even in the old lore, that kidnapping stuff was always just slave gathering, and Fimir don't lower themselves by breeding with weakling slaves. It was poorly written initially though, hence people like Arch misunderstanding and thinking it was kidnapping people to rape.

[@angry_zergling]

Yay Fantasy lore! Thank you Arch!

[@torbk]

I disagree that 30-40 state troops could handle 50+ Fimir defending their home ground. Had you said 300 I would agree. That is still a pretty small force that most places can assemble. A single Fimir is twice as large as a man, if not three times as large, and several times as strong. While no more skilled than trolls, a Fimir has such a physical advantage that if the human soldiers have similar numbers, or are less in number, they will be smashed and crushed and mulched, no matter how disciplined they are. The Fimir charge would crush them. 300 troops though? That would make the disorganized Fimir spread out too thinly and each and every one of them would find themselves fighting 3, 4, or 6 or 7 humans. Then they would be done for. 30-40 state troops defeating an entire Fimir clan though? Pull the other one.

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

Arch got a lot wrong in this video. Fimir never actually fight in battles, they tend to just protect themselves and their allied human breeding tribes. In the ancient era before the Old Ones arrived, the Fimir might have fought in large battles alongside the ancient human tribes, but back then the Fimir ruled the world, they were the original sapients of the planet, after all, and as such the only people they'd really be fighting with were other Fimir and ancient Humans, as the Old Ones hadn't yet mutated the demihuman races into existence, such as the Dwarfs, Elfs, or the Halfling/Ogre family. I guess they probably fought Dragons too, as those guys existed in ancient times, but mostly it was Fimir on Fimir conflict, with a lot of humans thrown in because of their value as soldiers in Fimir armies.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@rootsnootthnute8598 raids are fights. The chaos humas do not like the Fmir and alliances often break into violence

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

@@toomanyaccounts Wrong chaos humans, there's hundreds and hundreds of different chaotic human factions, plenty don't ally with the Fimir, but people like the Norscans willingly breed with them in order to have power in Fimir society and powerful offspring. Fimir wouldn't breed with unallied tribes though, because raping people results in their friends murdering you.

[@Docktavion]

⁠it doesn’t help with gw cocking up figure scaling between the original sculpts and the forge world foray. It made the fimir very weak in comparison to a standard match up. I’ve got an army of them ☹️. So in part arch is correct when explored in that context.

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

@@Docktavion Yeah, in modern scaling they at least fulfill the role of Orc sized creatures though, like they were always meant to. I rebased mine and use them as Kruleboyz in Age of Sigmar, with humans and Shearls counting as Hobgrots. I wouldn't mind Fimir being brought back, so long as the lore explaisn stuff properly so they don't just appear to be rape mosnters.

[@kelvinsantiago7061]

This is some cuality content right here, greetings from Puerto Rico!.

[@NVMemes4Liberty]

The OVN Lost Factions Fimir mod for Total War: Warhammer 3 is one of my favorite races to play

[@cody1570]

I cant figure out how to download it. I subscribed but its not popping up as a race for immortal impires

[@UGNAvalon]

“You can probably guess what happens next…” They shower the women with gifts & affection, successfully convince them to forget about their former lives & husbands, have lots of bedtime fun, and on top of that, turn them into the most devoted cultists of Chaos? How scandalous! How vile! Truly nothing more grimdark than turning a pure woman against the light of Sigmar & the love of her husband thru the power of romance! 😱

[@yetipotato8567]

Secret of fimir strongholds is the luxurious spa centre's and top restaurants they hide 😂

[@markjohn4203]

Actually, there is an LN/manga " A final wild boss appears " where the male only orcs desperately do this due to the fact time is against them. !!!!! Edit : no help from the demons though.

[@SeraphimKnight]

I'd owned Hero Quest as a kid long before I knew what warhammer was and the fimir was the last unit which I'd not had any context for now that I've know about warhammer for a long time. I guess GW having basically forgotten them didn't help.

[@Docktavion]

I bought a ton of the fimir to build an army for WFRP and Warhammer fantasy.

[@stunfire]

If we were to humor that the demons abilities in the 40k setting even partly transfers to that of those we see in fantasy, I wonder how the world lasts for even a month considering even the smallest demon is likely to have enough power to lucky one shoot Spacemarines.

[@povilzem]

Because Empire Halberdiers have better mustaches than Space Marines.

[@stunfire]

@@povilzem can't argue with that

[@crackhead_clyde]

I first saw these guys in the Heroquest board game, didn't know they were in Warhammer until recently.

[@thejabberwocky9620]

Reggie just had a video in TW:W3 vid where he played a mod with these guys

[@semi-useful5178]

If I can ever get to use all of my ideas for a Warhammer RPG one of the companions would be a Dirach masquerading as a human Shadow wizard.

[@MikeP5830]

Hey Arch Warhammer, any chance you'll continue the Horus Heresy especially with the Siege of Terra developments?

[@Venneroth]

Jade wizards would be very helpful to bring along, if you can get them. Their close connection to water and vegetation would help with the swamp and fog, and when the fighting starts, they could guard against magical or demonic surprises.

[@povilzem]

So this is the inspiration for Goblin Slayer's goblins...

[@glumplog1552]

Another awesome lore vid arch

[@dragonlord498]

Hmm im quite certain their is a character commonly nicknamed fimir slayer in that region by the sounds of it As well as beastman slayer and similar and doomslayer and various other slayers

[@waarghboss79]

The one-eyed monsters of the old world.😹🤘🏻

[@williambryson2043]

earliest ive ever been to an upload! 3min I feel blessed by the Emperor

[@Turnil321]

Being afraid of the sun and using mages to create a magical fog makes them similar to the night goblins.

[@tommyshanahan3689]

Pretty sure the rape stuff got ret-coned, because how did they survive before humans were made by the old ones?

[@KS-PNW]

Yeah that doesn't really make sense

[@Captain1nsaneo]

I like the Fimir but I swear this video was already made years ago. Oh well. Was glad to see them show up in TW:WH

[@NewGuy2534]

To be fair, the people of the Old World are not the most observant of beings. Hell, they legit thought a Skaven was an amazing costume that one time.

[@robertcbarry]

Brilliant as always but I must ask oh wise Inquisitor, Tyrant’s Legion and Maelstrom Squadron Lore vid when?

[@sadwingsraging3044]

How to deal with the the Fimir? 🤔 Fire... Lots and lots and LOTS of fire!

[@joshuaseuser625]

Bogs dont burn very good neither do scales of very fucking strong chaos worshipping cyclops lizards

[@jasonsantos3037]

The Fimir are to forgotten children of chaos.

[@Hellfirematrix]

My all time favorite faction in Warhammer!

[@markvt22]

Praise the Emperor Arch has come to visit us.

[@rarestpepe3815]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get Xenomorph vibes from the Fimir? Also, the Old World really needed a traumatised Autist that rarely took his armour off. (Cookie for whoever gets the reference).

[@bigfil1981]

Weird. Squidmar painted one in his video today.

[@captainteutonica5474]

Cool, I had no idea that the Fimir weren't just in d&d back in the day.

[@anton2192]

I'm going to make a Fimir army, at the center of which is going to be a demon who one of the Gods allowed to be summoned by the Fimir as punishment for an earlier screw up, so they are now stuck with a band of idiot lizards.

[@revermen3580]

So, going by the title, they're Norwegians?

[@CailinZwarts]

Nuh-uh, based off of Irish mythology, Norsca is for Norwegians

[@ivan55599]

6:55 - l bet someone already said it, but l say it anyways. That is picture of meargh.

[@QwertyBoredom122]

Arch keeps repeatedly saying "Fimir" and all my inner weeb can hear is "goblin".

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

I hear gawwbl'n. In a very high pitched, deep angry scream.

[@nobleman9393]

So this is the lore behind Reggie's swamp mosters.

[@Tucher97]

I assumed the Fimirs were creatures that were a dominated tribe but were conquered to the point they could survive in swamps due to other people not wanting to deal with that crap and the Fimirs resorted to the chaos gods and Norsca because hey, your choice of allies is limited, choose the only present option or die.

[@mitchellline4242]

Hey Arch what would happen if a human family did keep a beastman child? I assume there must be a atleast one or two cases of nobles hiding away their "disfigured" children. Do they just automatically become normal beastmen or is it more of a Jeckle and Hide situation?

[@michaelthomas3209]

Thanks Arch!

[@Ankhtowe]

So...if the Old Ones were to have a secret weapons testing facility secreted away somewhere within the webway during the War in Heaven, what might you expect to see there? Well, you'd expect to see a world with Eldar, Orks, perhaps the very earliest versions of humanity...a world where these races have abundant magical abilities...a world riddled with Old Ones facilities and technology, wherein the Old Ones suddenly disappeared, and where Chaos suddenly led a massive invasion in the distant past...

[@barrybend7189]

Call the lizardfolk.

[@iulian943]

I like the idea they where the original chaos worshipers only because it means they are constantly getting NTR-ed by the gods who favor everyone else XD

[@LTMaverick27894]

Will you ever do a video on the Sons of Sanguinius? The 2nd Founding Chapter, that is?

[@7F0X7]

Great video. Hope you'll cover the new Rogue Trader game.

[@Drew_Thompson]

I smell Celtic shenanigans.

[@dominicbrady1539]

Where do they get their axes from. Do they have forge tech

[@kingmidas89]

great stuff arch

[@lordfrostwind3151]

The true final form of Florida Man.

[@casbyness]

The fact they rely on humans for procreation very strongly suggests that the Fimir are not an ancient and/or fallen Chaotic race. I think it's far more likely, particularly given the matriachical factor and the diminutive size of the 'wizard class', that the entire species is the result of a curse. At some point, a a human female with gifted children got on the wrong side of a powerful magic user (probably a witch), and were transformed into Fimir. The intention of the spellcaster was to only damn the woman and her family, but due to some luck and imaginative procreativity, what began as a single woman and 2-3 kids expanded to become a somewhat functional civilisation. The person who cursed them didn't realise they had left open the loophole that any children created by their victims would also automatically be born as Fimir. This idea also fits with the Fimir always needing to live in the dark fog (i.e. damned to never live in the sun again), plus ties in with witches' curses often involving loss of an eye. It even explains their total lack of ambition and preference for living in ruined human settlements. Never sleep with a witches' boyfriend. XD

[@duckman12569]

This is like how neandertals use to interact with early humans

[@goodwin9114]

Ah the vanished hero quest miniature!

[@phil8821]

Ah yes, Fimir, the finest monster in the land.

[@AGloomySchizo]

While Fimir are a blight to local villages, their threat-level seems limited. The REALLY scary monsters are the ones that DON'T need humans to multiply, in my book!

[@tictcha612]

Nice video !

[@piotrskodowski7544]

Oh Yea. I am building Fimir Warband for Mordheim RIGH NOW!

[@toxicmail1482]

Hero Quest!

[@owlsayssouth]

Didn't know that Warhammer fantasy had a Scottish race. Fascinating.

[@TheLastImperial88]

😂😂😂

[@matthewlinder6330]

Arch I love your content but how did you do a 36 min video on the Fimir and not mention Albion once?

[@alcibiades4716]

Sound loosely similar to the foglet in the Witcher series, based on Celtic and Slavic folklore

[@Yacovo]

Thanks for the video.

[@Markus9343]

I love Fimir, still their old lore is one of the few cases where im ok with the ret-con. Dont need to read about some strange predilections of the author in excruciating detail. Other than the reproduction thing they are very cool.

[@toomanyaccounts]

read real world old folklore and fairytales in their original words

[@CrossBreedTacoHD]

Makes them pretty scary though. They aren't just another bipedal lizard monster. They are going to rape and sell your women's souls to demons if you don't stop them. Imagine being a young man called to arms to defend your village and you look back at your wife. Do you kill her yourself to save her from the torment and enternal damnation? Do ask her kill herself? Do you gamble everything on being able to defend your village? Do you leave it to chance that she will be able to escape the horrors that await her if you fall in battle? And what if you do win? Imagine coming home and seeing your wife committed suicide because of her nerves. I'm not sure when this lore was written, but the 80s was filled with debauchery and rape, I kind of like that grimy, gross, grimdark you got in the 80s. Just really degenerate stuff, but not in the same edgelord way we get these days.

[@warmak4576]

yeah mate cuz the lore is not sanitised enuff make them cygors with stunted growth and ichthyosis.

[@korstmahler]

Title error: You got you E and your A back to front.

[@claytonmontanez2262]

I wish we got a gotten and Felix book were gotrek hears about these things and looses his shit

[@corvusaflame713]

Wooooot. I was annoyed Arch hadn't had a long video on the the fimir. I'm glad he gets around to it just as I was wondering if there was a video that got removed. 😂

[@sven1714]

Yay more fantasy!

[@GenericUserName443]

So basically Goblin Slayer, but WH fantasy

[@ghola82]

Aw... y no outro? :

[@CorpCoral]

I made one of my chaos warriors in the old world a fimir.

[@irateastartes1206]

Heh they are the analogue of hentai orks. Coomsmiths do your duty! The doujinshi's must flow!

[@Ibian666]

Is it goblins?

[@Panchito2696]

Oh, so theyre the goblins from Goblin Slayer. Better call Fimir Slayer then!

[@mrfrost6211]

I feel this was rather unfair to the fimir, I get they are unintelligent but we are saying alot when 30 barely trained men are being said to be able to handle possibly up to 40 or so fimir The fimir have metal working, magic and not forgetting their hulking mass and bodies, 30 men feels like that's not gonna go well, without atleast massive losses that is in that small group of guys Especially when yes a lack if formation is problematic, but doesn't take much thought for heavily armored and armed monster twice the size of a man to charge in from all sides

[@suddenlythatenderman5800]

i think its more the case of 30 men with pikes and crossbows that's.. not gonna go well..

[@michaelkimberling7307]

16:39 hint: ever watched Goblin Slayer?